Torment is the only CRPG I've ever played, just because it was so massive on Ganker 15 years ago. Like a lot of classic (and some recent) CRPGs I like the visual style and the idea I guess, but I just find it no fun and wrote the genre off there and then.
yeah i dont really care about retcons as long as the game is as elaborate as bg3 with its way to approach quests.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the gameplay was refined enough from their previous efforts.
Id much rather they did a sequel to Dragon Commander instead. Enough crpgs, bring back the rts.
Ha I made the same mistake too because I thought PoE meant Path of Exile, there's two PoE games, one is DnD one is Diablo. I literally bought Pillars of Eternity because I was clueless and thought it was Path of Exile when someone told me PoE was a good Diablo substitute lmao
>I literally bought Pillars of Eternity because I was clueless and thought it was Path of Exile when someone told me PoE was a good Diablo substitute
lol
Youre thinking about that other series, i always forget the name but confuse them both too. Its probably because they use the same style of shitty icon/cover image
honestly out of all of these I think people who enjoyed BG3 would like DAO since BG3 feels way more close to bioware during their DAO days.
that's why Bioware right now has to be shitting their fricking pants over BG3's success
>The people who praise bg3 and suck it off as the second coming of Jesus himself have never even heard of dragon age origins.
I loved Dragon Age: Origins, but it wasn't nearly as open as BG3. They straight out said that "they could never make a game as big as BG2 again, it simply isn't feasible".
BG3 existing probably makes a number of them sad about the direction Bioware has gone.
I liked dragon age but half the zones in it are garbage (mage tower and the dwarf ruins specifically) and no matter how much you like it the damn game came out fricking 14 years ago, it’s time for another one you maniac
Also, despite being advertised as a world of "grey morality and tough choices", with the exception of the Orzammar succession crisis, in literally every single other case the objectively morally "nicest" option is always the correct one.
It was tough though. >support harrowmont who is an isolationist traditionalist that dooms the dwarves to destruction >support the kinslayer who is progressive and shits on tradition but ultimately brings the dwarves back into glory
4 months ago
Anonymous
You're describing how your own (arguably agreeable) personal politics made it hard for you to pick the one objective correct choice.
4 months ago
Anonymous
He proved my point, though - that one storyline is the ONLY one where a discussion could even take place.
Every other one is "morally good/nice choice = the correct choice."
4 months ago
Anonymous
True. Man i liked the rare occasional combat in DAO but the whole game is a funneled linear experience with barely any combat. A total farce, actually kind of pisses me off
Plus IIRC it has no legitimately open or open-ish world areas. Say what you will about BG3 but you get these big spheres of going wherever the frick you want and you can find quests, get ambushed, with two or more entrances and exits to zones, you can just do whatever. Meanwhile in DAO you're like 'oh wow im in the farmstead, I guess I can talk to folks in town or Sven in the cage here, or visit the one caged area they let me kill some pigs, and that's the whole loading zone'. Every 'open' zone is a farce, like they're trying to trick you or they just dont get it, and most of the rest is literally 4 hour long segments of you going through tunnels with not even much combat
>Tyranny
Nobody fricking thinks this game was ever good, even Obsidian's own drones don't think it was ever good. Fricking Josh himself doesn't think it was a good game either and it's why it's often excluded from anything showing off their catalog.
Whoever wrote this article is a homosexual Black person that has never touched a video game outside of review time, and even then they have ChatGPT there to write the bulk of it.
>Wasteland 3 >Underrail
sure, they have their own appeal >Pillars 2 >Tyranny
Why, especially if your problem with BG3 was the characters and story. I've never been a fan of Larian writing (outside of Dragon Commander) which prior to BG3 was ESL Monty Python and in BG3 itself mostly generic fantasy delivered well. But Pillars and Tyranny were just dry expositions punctuated with homosexualry
Just bought PoE2 and Tyranny this steam sale. Any advice to make it good?
>why it's often excluded from anything showing off their catalog
Its frequently part of the main banner when they do Obsidian sales, so i dont think its that bad
I'm so royally pissed the red slices aren't actually pepperoni like I thought. Like dude imagine how good that dish would be if it was just pepperoni and provolone slices, god damn
>whoever made this is actually nostalgic for fricking dragon age origins and mass effect 2
unreal
if you remade this webm with like, icewind dale or something, it would make sense.
I know, right? Was nobody here when those games came out, or is it just all the same people continuing to slander every game that comes out and changing their mind about old games they hated just to shit on new ones?
>dont hold us to Larian's standard
The cherry on top kek. Seei g those numale devs like S0iyer cry that their audience shouldnt expect things from them was amazing
The soundtrack was meh save for Raphael's final act, and Most of the companions were fricking crybabies the moment you did something evil despite being vile people themselves. The thing the game should be praised for is reactivity of your race and class like no game has before and the openness of the acts to tackle them in whatever way you want.But this webm was made by a karlach gay so the lack of critical thinking is expected.
Oh. I wonder how bothomosexualry works. I just started Programming and Web Development, maybe I could take a peek at the code Not like I'd understand, I've only got Python and a bit of HTML under my belt
I wish he was a bot. He is not. He really spends all his life here posting the same shit in every thread. What is his end game? I think he believes that he can make people hate BG3. The sad part is that even if he acomplishes that, it won't matter because Ganker in general does not matter.
What do you mean what? You don't have fun when playing games? Sheesh, try keeping an in-character game journal sometime. Here's mine for Pathologic (the original, not 2)
Im sure there are better DnD editions but you really just scrap the whole thing like it's nothing because of what's probably some stupid technicality. Honestly I'm listening, what's the problem with 5e
not him but 5e is overly simplistic to the point that absolute morons can play it, but somehow not even the lead designer knows how to play that game and constantly makes stupid rulings that make no sense on his twitter when he gets asked for rule clarification
you have absolutely no freedom to build you character because you can only chose something every 4 levels or so and the cherry on top is that feats are fricking optional so if your table doesn't use them you can only put +2 into your main stat every so often
4 months ago
Anonymous
>you have absolutely no freedom to build you character because you can only chose something every 4 levels or so and the cherry on top is that feats are fricking optional so if your table doesn't use them you can only put +2 into your main stat every so often
Lmfao, as OP you're completely right. Thanks for the clarity. Still a lot good to the system but god damn is most every level redundant. Like what's a Barbarian even supposed to do. Oh boy, hit points.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Like what's a Barbarian even supposed to do.
You can be angery like 2 times per day!
isn't that the coolest class feature ever?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I really like the multiple attacks on turn and frenzy a barbarian has, but every level but, what, 2 or 3 of them, you get nothing. Woah more HP what a fricking gift! Fairly lame, its true. If you're gonna do that just give me some pittance like +1 damage every level and I'll begin to care when my barb levels up. Hell maybe they already did that without telling me
4 months ago
Anonymous
Ive not encountered this problem yet.
There're only 12 levels right, what sort of customisation are you expecting from that?
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a big DnD guy but I did expect to choose at least one new move between levels 1-12 for a barbarian. You get the same feats as the other classes and otherwise you just get health. It's a bummer, I don't know what I was expecting but I'm really excited by level up screens in this game and Karlach's just ask you to move forward accepting you just got 8 more hit points or so.
4 months ago
Anonymous
let's take the Barbarian for example since the other anon brought it up
in PF(and i really don't want to start a shitstorm between dnd and pf right now but oh well)
you get a feat every uneven level and every even level you get a rage power, which is like a barbarian feat that customizes your rage, maybe you get a bite attack because you become more animal like maybe you get a pounce attack, blindsight a stance that improves your tanking or ignores survivability to do more damage
something more than "nothing"
4 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't that what the berzerker gets you?
4 months ago
Anonymous
no? the berzerker gets 3 things that you don't get to choose
i guess you choose to be a berzerker
the pf barbarian would get 6 Features that he can freely pick from a list until level 12 +his 6 normal feats vs the 3 the 5e barb gets
4 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, Pathfinder classes get a bunch of choices, and almost all of them are wrong and exist purely to trap new players.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm no expert but there's probably a decent set of leveling choices a decent game designer could invent for barbarians that would at least equal the other melee classes' options. Bite sounds cool, frick what about a grab? Wouldn't it be slick if you could grapple with an enemy and lock them into damage combat with you, maybe would be hard for balance but frick it it's really just a melee 'hold person' spell with a skill check on strength, just an idea for fun.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Bite is a great example of a bad choice you should always go for another weapon attack instead.
Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check, you want to make that a subclass specific feature?
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check
Just let me pick or ignore it so I feel like I can make a choice, or god forbid you just make it an ok skill worth choosing. >Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check
How do I do that in BG3?
4 months ago
Anonymous
First quote was meant to be about bite
4 months ago
Anonymous
>you want to make that a subclass specific feature?
wouldn't that be awesome? if your barbarian can just grapple better?
everyone has to sacrifice one of their attacks to initiate that, but the barbarian can just get a feature that makes it cost a bonus action
or if it costs the same his grapple is just better like he does damage every round equal to his unarmed attack damage
or maybe he can do a whole bunch of wrestling moves like chokeholds, throws but naah that's boring just let him walk up and attack
now that is high IQ gameplay
4 months ago
Anonymous
> if your barbarian can just grapple better?
He can, due to athletics proficiency and rage giving you advantage on strength checks.
4 months ago
Anonymous
can he tho? i am playing str rogue now
i have double proficiency in athletics, same str as the barbarian and i can't roll under a 10
what now tough guy? skill monkeys always win
4 months ago
Anonymous
Anyone with advantage on Athletics is the same there. The point is that he wants options and customization.
4 months ago
Anonymous
That's a Pathfinder problem, not a choice problem.
>he thinks people on Ganker play the games they shitpost about
To most of the posters here it's not gameplay unless you're twitch shooting 12 year olds for years on end like it's a job. The old Ganker that sucked off dialogue heavy games like Deus Ex, VtMB and Planescape Torment is dead and was replaced by the 360 generation
>the entire dungeons and dragons gameplay system
have a nice day newbie. i was playing dnd when you were in diapers.
this isnt dnd. dnd hasnt existed since maybe 3.5, and even that's a stretch. anyone with more than room temperature iq moved on to pathfinder. and, again, i dont mean the shitty computer games.
Im sure there are better DnD editions but you really just scrap the whole thing like it's nothing because of what's probably some stupid technicality. Honestly I'm listening, what's the problem with 5e
>what's the problem with 5e
the "game" has been devolved to the point where Black folk, women, and even Black person women "want to" and "can" play dnd.
Your style is slightly more tolerable than the subhuman Black person that used to draw comics about countries as humans mainly focused on the balkans, who also draws for valve now.
>Your style is slightly more tolerable than the subhuman Black person that used to draw comics about countries as humans mainly focused on the balkans, who also draws for valve now.
You sound like a crazy maniac, what balkan comic artist are you even talking about
The fact that you can finish like 5 battles in BG3 in the same time you'd take to finish one in DoS2 will most likely filter normalgays out. DAO is a nice rec, and they're lucky it still hasn't gotten the ME censorship treatment
I know why it’s good. I’m really glad you like it, I have no outward confidence but internally I know the score.
It gives me the feeling like I'd want to own a physical piece of art. No printers, no copies. Just a piece I'd put in a frame and ponder over every once-in-a-while.
Perfect. That’s what I was hoping for and worried no one would feel
When I was at BYU-Idaho, I was in the art building looking at various pieces there, when I saw a painting of a table setting. My first thought was "Why did someone paint this boring table setting?", but after looking it over, a thought came to mind "Whoever made this setting probably wanted everything perfect so they could focus on having a good time". It changed my perspective and I gained an appreciation for it.
It gives me the feeling like I'd want to own a physical piece of art. No printers, no copies. Just a piece I'd put in a frame and ponder over every once-in-a-while.
Baldur's Gate 3 is a lot like Critical Role in that if you like and enjoy it you don't actually like RPGs and at best pretend to know of others whilst actually avoiding them all for being "too complicated."
And like Critical Role fans, you'll frick off soon when RPGs aren't hip anymore.
When are you going to stop identifying as abnormal and pathologically avoid things humans do. I don't mean you have to play or like BG3, I just mean when are you going to stop acting like this is an argument for why not to do something. Just say you don't care, or say nothing at all and don't do it. SHEESH
Baulder's Gate 3 is just basic b***h tabletop for the nerd who doesn't have/is a quality DM to do something not on-book boring fantasy with carboard characters.
I've been playing D&D for around 25 years.
No DM, myself included, does verticality like BG3, it's just a whole lot of work to properly represent that in a viably timely manner. It's kind of a cool thing that BG3 does better than tabletop imo.
My DM did included elevation bonuses in one combat-heavy crawl campaign he did, but as I recall, the system was incredibly basic and just said: "if you have the high ground, you get X bonus." There wasn't any sort of granularity.
Damn I hate dungeons and dragons, what an absolute dog shit time the last few months have been.
Also all CRPGs are bad so it's like a double decker shit sandwich buffet.
Actually, every single online article is, in fact, propaganda of varying degrees and severity. Reposting sensational propaganda is a direct cause of someone conspiring to trick people into sharing the propaganda (masked as simple opinions) far and wide. So despite Baldur's Gate 3 being the best CRPG to release within the past 4.5 years, this thread does in fact exist due to a conspiracy.
Ah so a large scale conceptual shilling. I make fun but I really do get it, can't tell what's real anymore. I'll admit there's a great release in just cutting the gordian knot and not giving a frick because you actually liked the game, but at the same time I can't exactly prove I didn't check the game out due to shilling. Strange world huh
OP got me, I've been barraged with so many shitty takes I thought were someone taking the piss that I started to take someone very clearly taking the piss as real.
Your desires are just, but that's like asking Burkina Faso to produce the next great movie. There's neither the creative ability, nor the desire to do more than shitter work.
Someone tell me why DnD 5e is bad. I've heard this before and I want to hear the whole story from your own mouths, it must be really really important if it (so you say) destroyed the most popular tabletop roleplaying game of all time
It's shallow and without a lot of the functionality and depth of 3.5. This makes it much more acceptable for newbs but also less appealing to long time players. Like comparing 5 additions 12 classes, to the 50+ classes present in 3.5. although the whole point is moot now considering 5e is being sunsetted for 6e, which looks genuinely fricking terrible
Not that anon but
Classes are extremely samey
Leveling is limited
In general, everything is so streamlined that moment when you start to think a little bit 5e just breaks
5e may have place in super casual tabletop parties but not in video games
Someone tell me why DnD 5e is bad. I've heard this before and I want to hear the whole story from your own mouths, it must be really really important if it (so you say) destroyed the most popular tabletop roleplaying game of all time
Subclasses don't do much to differentiate a classes general playstyle like they do in 3.5E/Pathfinder. The only exception to this is Artificer but Artificer is not a core class.
Concentration
Extra attacks being tied to class progression rather than an inherent character stat like Base Attack Bonus in 3E, this limits multiclassing
Weapons within the same class, i.e. light weapons or reach weapons, are very similar to one another due to lacking extra distinguishing features like crit ranges, special ammunition types and attack speeds.
No prestige classes
Limited amount of feats a character can get, said feats also come at the cost of stats or vice versa limiting your character building options further.
That being said 5E cutting down on stat bloat is good.
I think pillars 2, wasteland 3, underrail, and tyranny are all better than bg3 and I would happily replay them all before touching bg3 again.
bg3 was really good though no lying. I just hate the characters and story which is huge in a crpg. Best world and secrets though.
Yea I tried a BG3 replay, it’s not the same when you know what’s coming. None of them have replay value until time has wiped the memory clean. Look forward to Wasteland 3 again someday.
>Wasteland 3 >Underrail
sure, they have their own appeal >Pillars 2 >Tyranny
Why, especially if your problem with BG3 was the characters and story. I've never been a fan of Larian writing (outside of Dragon Commander) which prior to BG3 was ESL Monty Python and in BG3 itself mostly generic fantasy delivered well. But Pillars and Tyranny were just dry expositions punctuated with homosexualry
>BG3 itself mostly generic fantasy delivered well
BG3 doesn't feel like fantasy
It feels like larp of some troony kids >But Pillars and Tyranny were just dry expositions punctuated with homosexualry
I think people exaggerate how bad tyrrany and pillars are
You play them once, have fun and move on
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Just bought PoE2 and Tyranny this steam sale. Any advice to make it good?
Play PoE1 first and just don't read text if you don't find it interesting or important
Close.
It's shilled because Coomers.
Coomers want to turn every game into erotic roleplay.
It's the same degenerates that used to post their porn fantasies on the Bioware forums back in the day.
I quitted BG3 after it broke my immersions.
I went to the druid hideout place, found a spy on top of the hill that killed one of those red skin people.
I killed the spy and try to report it but nobody cared about the event at all.
Then I was tilted and went into town and killed some people, but the guard caught me.
But I was let go after I rolled some dices, the fricking guard just let go a murderer like "Don't do that again, alright mate?".
That's when I know the game is not for me.
It's a AAA proper RPG with no microtransactions, 6 DLCs, or the next for 12 months of patching just to be playable (looking at you, Owlcat Game). And it sold like hotcakes.
I think BG3 offers more than voice acting, and the gameplay people like isn’t just raw concept, it’s actually involved in UI and holistic game design. To make it simple, do people really want to just click around some isometric sprites and vertically scroll through every shop rather than play a 3D world with free camera movement and modern design
Nta but you don’t even get it in the first place. Actors reading text out loud to you does not turn BG2 into BG3. You pulled that false premise out of your ass to imply the only thing BG3 has to offer is voice acting, which just isn’t true. But don’t take my word for it, go try yourself. The AI tools and modding options are all available to you
Most of the time their UIs are better because they were built for a single platform instead of the modern AAA console-PC hybrid UIs filled with time-wasting animations and 50 different tabs
Bg3 is 8/10 like some other posters apreadyve mentioned, its far from being perfect, but it kindda best fix for people that want tabletop feel.
Witcher is an action rpg seties that basicly force you into rping as a witcher, its closer to arkham batman/assasins creed than to what can be considered as a real rpg.
Pathfinder games are the only mainstream new addition to the genere.
I would like to see more rpgs with plethora od races/classes in favor of "the one famous hero/superhero as a mc".
People who prefer to play this kind of games are not suited for rpg, they cant devise their own backstory and are in need of whatever media theyre consuming to feed them directly into their throat.
They need to be establihed, known individual or else their weak brains will revolt against the idea of forging your own saga from humble beginings.
Having said this and as i already mentioned, bg3 should have another year of development, maybe then it could become 10/10
It probably won't have a great appeal to you in that case. If you can enjoy a game for what it is, you can probably still wring some enjoyment out of it, but it really is a big ol love letter to D&D and the previous BG games.
Nah, its not great. >B-b-but
It makes the final choices in its main quest too fricking late in the questline to encourage replayability. If I want Orpheus free, that should be an early act 3 thing. If I want to become a mindflayer, that shit should occur not too long after (and only work if I used too many tadpoles). Endings work best when your decisions actually led you there, and the only time this happens is with Gale the Extremely moronic and the Netherese Orb of Breaking Established Karsus Lore.
And speaking on replayability, I probably would've at least gotten to that ending a second time, if each Act didn't have uniquely bad shit that made me not want to replay it whatsoever.
ACT 1 Just feels like filler past the Nautiloid. The main quest in the area feels like an overblown sidequest that has little baring on the plot, only important because a half-dozen companions talk to the NPCs you re-encounter a second time, or a third if the NPC's lucky.
ACT 2 has that stupid shadow curse everywhere, though it at least follows the plot and has a decent ending.
And ACT 3 drops the plot's momentum, and while it still vaguely follows the plot that was set up, it still feels like it started some sequel instead with how hard a stop it throws at you.
Torment is the only CRPG I've ever played, just because it was so massive on Ganker 15 years ago. Like a lot of classic (and some recent) CRPGs I like the visual style and the idea I guess, but I just find it no fun and wrote the genre off there and then.
I suspect Avellone paid off people to post online and elevate the status of the game as a cult classic.
i liked divinity os2 more tha bg3. i wish we had os3 with the same effort baldurs gate 3 had put into it.
It’s probably next.
No, frick off.
why?
i dont like the dnd ruleset or the dnd setting as a whole but i really enjoyed original sin 2.
Because theyll frick retcon more of the lore. Frick what they did to Lucian. DOS2 is an abomination in the writing department.
yeah i dont really care about retcons as long as the game is as elaborate as bg3 with its way to approach quests.
Yeah, the gameplay was refined enough from their previous efforts.
Id much rather they did a sequel to Dragon Commander instead. Enough crpgs, bring back the rts.
there were some rumors that they were trying to make another kotr game
>planescaoe
>started it all
? no?
someone dissing on DE feels oddly refreshing to see
I always thought pillars of eternity was some sort of diablo like
maybe I will give it a look
Ha I made the same mistake too because I thought PoE meant Path of Exile, there's two PoE games, one is DnD one is Diablo. I literally bought Pillars of Eternity because I was clueless and thought it was Path of Exile when someone told me PoE was a good Diablo substitute lmao
>I literally bought Pillars of Eternity because I was clueless and thought it was Path of Exile when someone told me PoE was a good Diablo substitute
lol
Youre thinking about that other series, i always forget the name but confuse them both too. Its probably because they use the same style of shitty icon/cover image
>dusty ass
BG3 being good doesn't make older crpgs worse, whatever homosexual wrote this should kill themselves.
They're making a deprecating joke about games they like, moron.
You are a Black person and probably irish
I am australian, mate.
Oh that's better
So, both then.
I'm french, mate.
Oh, that's better
It's a Hard Drive article you Black person homosexuals. It's the The Onion of gaming. It's a parody vidya journalism site
This is truyh being hidden in satire, actual opinions masked by irony. Hard drive like the onion are pozzed homosexuals anyways.
It is the truth, thoughever.
honestly out of all of these I think people who enjoyed BG3 would like DAO since BG3 feels way more close to bioware during their DAO days.
that's why Bioware right now has to be shitting their fricking pants over BG3's success
The people who praise bg3 and suck it off as the second coming of Jesus himself have never even heard of dragon age origins.
I mean, I like BG3 and played every dragon age game.
literally only DAO is a good game jesus christ
>The people who praise bg3 and suck it off as the second coming of Jesus himself have never even heard of dragon age origins.
I loved Dragon Age: Origins, but it wasn't nearly as open as BG3. They straight out said that "they could never make a game as big as BG2 again, it simply isn't feasible".
BG3 existing probably makes a number of them sad about the direction Bioware has gone.
EA fired a lot of people from Bioware after BG3 turned into such a big success. They probably realized those employees were fricking lying.
I liked dragon age but half the zones in it are garbage (mage tower and the dwarf ruins specifically) and no matter how much you like it the damn game came out fricking 14 years ago, it’s time for another one you maniac
Also, despite being advertised as a world of "grey morality and tough choices", with the exception of the Orzammar succession crisis, in literally every single other case the objectively morally "nicest" option is always the correct one.
It was tough though.
>support harrowmont who is an isolationist traditionalist that dooms the dwarves to destruction
>support the kinslayer who is progressive and shits on tradition but ultimately brings the dwarves back into glory
You're describing how your own (arguably agreeable) personal politics made it hard for you to pick the one objective correct choice.
He proved my point, though - that one storyline is the ONLY one where a discussion could even take place.
Every other one is "morally good/nice choice = the correct choice."
True. Man i liked the rare occasional combat in DAO but the whole game is a funneled linear experience with barely any combat. A total farce, actually kind of pisses me off
Plus IIRC it has no legitimately open or open-ish world areas. Say what you will about BG3 but you get these big spheres of going wherever the frick you want and you can find quests, get ambushed, with two or more entrances and exits to zones, you can just do whatever. Meanwhile in DAO you're like 'oh wow im in the farmstead, I guess I can talk to folks in town or Sven in the cage here, or visit the one caged area they let me kill some pigs, and that's the whole loading zone'. Every 'open' zone is a farce, like they're trying to trick you or they just dont get it, and most of the rest is literally 4 hour long segments of you going through tunnels with not even much combat
>Tyranny
Nobody fricking thinks this game was ever good, even Obsidian's own drones don't think it was ever good. Fricking Josh himself doesn't think it was a good game either and it's why it's often excluded from anything showing off their catalog.
Whoever wrote this article is a homosexual Black person that has never touched a video game outside of review time, and even then they have ChatGPT there to write the bulk of it.
I liked it
He nailed PoE.
Can confirm.
When I really got into CRPGs a few years ago and played through a ton of em, Tyranny was the only game that I didn't bother finishing.
Just bought PoE2 and Tyranny this steam sale. Any advice to make it good?
>why it's often excluded from anything showing off their catalog
Its frequently part of the main banner when they do Obsidian sales, so i dont think its that bad
*by "isnt that bad" I meant the relationship between Obsidian and Tyranny isnt that bad. The game itself is pretty dogshit indeed
>it'll take two and a half minutes to load every time you leave a town hub
So just like BG3
Do you play on console or something?
dumb Black folk playing dragon age origins on a PS3/360 lmaooo
BAULDERS gate 3 feels morel iek a sequel to daO than awakening was. It also feels closer to origins that it does bauldurs gate 1 & 2 lol
I'm so royally pissed the red slices aren't actually pepperoni like I thought. Like dude imagine how good that dish would be if it was just pepperoni and provolone slices, god damn
you can still do it, though add the shredded provolone at the end or else the tower will tumble
yeah and also put in a bun with some mayo like duh
>whoever made this is actually nostalgic for fricking dragon age origins and mass effect 2
unreal
if you remade this webm with like, icewind dale or something, it would make sense.
I know, right? Was nobody here when those games came out, or is it just all the same people continuing to slander every game that comes out and changing their mind about old games they hated just to shit on new ones?
Josh go kys already.
>dont hold us to Larian's standard
The cherry on top kek. Seei g those numale devs like S0iyer cry that their audience shouldnt expect things from them was amazing
The soundtrack was meh save for Raphael's final act, and Most of the companions were fricking crybabies the moment you did something evil despite being vile people themselves. The thing the game should be praised for is reactivity of your race and class like no game has before and the openness of the acts to tackle them in whatever way you want.But this webm was made by a karlach gay so the lack of critical thinking is expected.
Wyatt Fair is just some gay who wrote something for a trash game rag. I'd take any anon here over him.
Hey
>Ganker still hasn't figured out the journo meta of acting like a homosexual for rage clicks
Wyatt Fair reads like the most fake name I've ever seen
Why did my post
get included with the gay OP?
because the Tecent poster is a bot
Oh. I wonder how bothomosexualry works. I just started Programming and Web Development, maybe I could take a peek at the code Not like I'd understand, I've only got Python and a bit of HTML under my belt
I wish he was a bot. He is not. He really spends all his life here posting the same shit in every thread. What is his end game? I think he believes that he can make people hate BG3. The sad part is that even if he acomplishes that, it won't matter because Ganker in general does not matter.
You are replying to a legit schizo.
Yea it’s pretty insane to think it’s some shill rather than some insecure euro running unpaid PR like the insecure nonwhites do.
I like the Witcher 2 and 3 more than BG3
That’s fair, me too. BG3 is a 8/10 fun experience that shouldn’t buck break you or become your identity.
I can't enjoy any game after bg3
You just need to get a little creative
What?
What do you mean what? You don't have fun when playing games? Sheesh, try keeping an in-character game journal sometime. Here's mine for Pathologic (the original, not 2)
BG3 is overhyped among casual gamers who just enjoy the visual novel aspects and tolerate the gameplay. They don't actually enjoy CRPGs.
>make CRPG but add cutscenes
>normies love it
Why nobody did that before?
all modern gaming is just watching a shitty movie. of course normalgays eat it up
You’re talking about a game that has the entire dungeons and dragons gameplay system in it, how are you not fricking stupid?
>5e De en De
Kek What a b***h
Im sure there are better DnD editions but you really just scrap the whole thing like it's nothing because of what's probably some stupid technicality. Honestly I'm listening, what's the problem with 5e
not him but 5e is overly simplistic to the point that absolute morons can play it, but somehow not even the lead designer knows how to play that game and constantly makes stupid rulings that make no sense on his twitter when he gets asked for rule clarification
you have absolutely no freedom to build you character because you can only chose something every 4 levels or so and the cherry on top is that feats are fricking optional so if your table doesn't use them you can only put +2 into your main stat every so often
>you have absolutely no freedom to build you character because you can only chose something every 4 levels or so and the cherry on top is that feats are fricking optional so if your table doesn't use them you can only put +2 into your main stat every so often
Lmfao, as OP you're completely right. Thanks for the clarity. Still a lot good to the system but god damn is most every level redundant. Like what's a Barbarian even supposed to do. Oh boy, hit points.
>Like what's a Barbarian even supposed to do.
You can be angery like 2 times per day!
isn't that the coolest class feature ever?
I really like the multiple attacks on turn and frenzy a barbarian has, but every level but, what, 2 or 3 of them, you get nothing. Woah more HP what a fricking gift! Fairly lame, its true. If you're gonna do that just give me some pittance like +1 damage every level and I'll begin to care when my barb levels up. Hell maybe they already did that without telling me
Ive not encountered this problem yet.
There're only 12 levels right, what sort of customisation are you expecting from that?
I'm not a big DnD guy but I did expect to choose at least one new move between levels 1-12 for a barbarian. You get the same feats as the other classes and otherwise you just get health. It's a bummer, I don't know what I was expecting but I'm really excited by level up screens in this game and Karlach's just ask you to move forward accepting you just got 8 more hit points or so.
let's take the Barbarian for example since the other anon brought it up
in PF(and i really don't want to start a shitstorm between dnd and pf right now but oh well)
you get a feat every uneven level and every even level you get a rage power, which is like a barbarian feat that customizes your rage, maybe you get a bite attack because you become more animal like maybe you get a pounce attack, blindsight a stance that improves your tanking or ignores survivability to do more damage
something more than "nothing"
Isn't that what the berzerker gets you?
no? the berzerker gets 3 things that you don't get to choose
i guess you choose to be a berzerker
the pf barbarian would get 6 Features that he can freely pick from a list until level 12 +his 6 normal feats vs the 3 the 5e barb gets
Yes, Pathfinder classes get a bunch of choices, and almost all of them are wrong and exist purely to trap new players.
I'm no expert but there's probably a decent set of leveling choices a decent game designer could invent for barbarians that would at least equal the other melee classes' options. Bite sounds cool, frick what about a grab? Wouldn't it be slick if you could grapple with an enemy and lock them into damage combat with you, maybe would be hard for balance but frick it it's really just a melee 'hold person' spell with a skill check on strength, just an idea for fun.
Bite is a great example of a bad choice you should always go for another weapon attack instead.
Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check, you want to make that a subclass specific feature?
>Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check
Just let me pick or ignore it so I feel like I can make a choice, or god forbid you just make it an ok skill worth choosing.
>Grappling is already in the game, that's just a contested strength check
How do I do that in BG3?
First quote was meant to be about bite
>you want to make that a subclass specific feature?
wouldn't that be awesome? if your barbarian can just grapple better?
everyone has to sacrifice one of their attacks to initiate that, but the barbarian can just get a feature that makes it cost a bonus action
or if it costs the same his grapple is just better like he does damage every round equal to his unarmed attack damage
or maybe he can do a whole bunch of wrestling moves like chokeholds, throws but naah that's boring just let him walk up and attack
now that is high IQ gameplay
> if your barbarian can just grapple better?
He can, due to athletics proficiency and rage giving you advantage on strength checks.
can he tho? i am playing str rogue now
i have double proficiency in athletics, same str as the barbarian and i can't roll under a 10
what now tough guy? skill monkeys always win
Anyone with advantage on Athletics is the same there. The point is that he wants options and customization.
That's a Pathfinder problem, not a choice problem.
Still prefer this to pathfinder autism.
>he thinks people on Ganker play the games they shitpost about
To most of the posters here it's not gameplay unless you're twitch shooting 12 year olds for years on end like it's a job. The old Ganker that sucked off dialogue heavy games like Deus Ex, VtMB and Planescape Torment is dead and was replaced by the 360 generation
I appreciate your clarity
>the entire dungeons and dragons gameplay system
have a nice day newbie. i was playing dnd when you were in diapers.
this isnt dnd. dnd hasnt existed since maybe 3.5, and even that's a stretch. anyone with more than room temperature iq moved on to pathfinder. and, again, i dont mean the shitty computer games.
>what's the problem with 5e
the "game" has been devolved to the point where Black folk, women, and even Black person women "want to" and "can" play dnd.
brainlet, filtered, etc
its just mAss effect model in d&d. dragon age already did it
The entire genre is pure dogshit to be frank. BG3 literally is the only one worth playing.
Balls Gay 3 fanboys are so fricking annoying they ruin the entire Ganker
>the entire Ganker
Good morning saar
Your style is slightly more tolerable than the subhuman Black person that used to draw comics about countries as humans mainly focused on the balkans, who also draws for valve now.
>Your style is slightly more tolerable than the subhuman Black person that used to draw comics about countries as humans mainly focused on the balkans, who also draws for valve now.
You sound like a crazy maniac, what balkan comic artist are you even talking about
The "artist" is apparently called lullindo and I want to smack them in face because I find their style obnoxious.
I want to smack you in the face for your hare-brained comparison, god damn
Suck my ass. Yours will end up looking the same after you flanderize yourself for clicks.
Holy frick get a grip
If you think BG3 caused rifts, wait until Dragon's Dogma 2.
DD2 will be the true western fantasy rebirth BG3 should have been
>glorified hacknslash
'no'
It's a satirical website
Pic related is kind of cute and funny.
just play dos2 and dao
The fact that you can finish like 5 battles in BG3 in the same time you'd take to finish one in DoS2 will most likely filter normalgays out. DAO is a nice rec, and they're lucky it still hasn't gotten the ME censorship treatment
I just drew this tiefling, I demand praise
Rotated properly
I find the lower half of his face really well done but I don’t know why. That and horns.
I know why it’s good. I’m really glad you like it, I have no outward confidence but internally I know the score.
Perfect. That’s what I was hoping for and worried no one would feel
When I was at BYU-Idaho, I was in the art building looking at various pieces there, when I saw a painting of a table setting. My first thought was "Why did someone paint this boring table setting?", but after looking it over, a thought came to mind "Whoever made this setting probably wanted everything perfect so they could focus on having a good time". It changed my perspective and I gained an appreciation for it.
There’s a pleasant simplicity to just accepting someone worked hard to make sure something was nice for you
I like it
Built for being caught doing something evil as all tieflings will
well... it doesn't... outright suck.
You think plenty of industry quality content sucks though
I'm just yanking your chain. It looks decent. Reminds me of the artistic depictions in those old Roald Dahl books from the 70's
Thanks, I know it’s sloppy in a way but there is a certain effect to seeing the illustrator’s hand in a drawing
It gives me the feeling like I'd want to own a physical piece of art. No printers, no copies. Just a piece I'd put in a frame and ponder over every once-in-a-while.
Baldur's Gate 3 is a lot like Critical Role in that if you like and enjoy it you don't actually like RPGs and at best pretend to know of others whilst actually avoiding them all for being "too complicated."
And like Critical Role fans, you'll frick off soon when RPGs aren't hip anymore.
Wtf I like plotting out battles and doing damage beaded on DnD dice rolls and character builds, I didn’t know I was a fake fan
You can like popular things anon, it's okay that your interests overlap somewhat with normies
When are you going to stop identifying as abnormal and pathologically avoid things humans do. I don't mean you have to play or like BG3, I just mean when are you going to stop acting like this is an argument for why not to do something. Just say you don't care, or say nothing at all and don't do it. SHEESH
Baulder's Gate 3 is just basic b***h tabletop for the nerd who doesn't have/is a quality DM to do something not on-book boring fantasy with carboard characters.
Haha, oh no!
I've been playing D&D for around 25 years.
No DM, myself included, does verticality like BG3, it's just a whole lot of work to properly represent that in a viably timely manner. It's kind of a cool thing that BG3 does better than tabletop imo.
My DM did included elevation bonuses in one combat-heavy crawl campaign he did, but as I recall, the system was incredibly basic and just said: "if you have the high ground, you get X bonus." There wasn't any sort of granularity.
Damn I hate dungeons and dragons, what an absolute dog shit time the last few months have been.
Also all CRPGs are bad so it's like a double decker shit sandwich buffet.
still not playing baldurs gay
Do you really think other people enjoying a game is a conspiracy to trick you into enjoying it too
Actually, every single online article is, in fact, propaganda of varying degrees and severity. Reposting sensational propaganda is a direct cause of someone conspiring to trick people into sharing the propaganda (masked as simple opinions) far and wide. So despite Baldur's Gate 3 being the best CRPG to release within the past 4.5 years, this thread does in fact exist due to a conspiracy.
Ah so a large scale conceptual shilling. I make fun but I really do get it, can't tell what's real anymore. I'll admit there's a great release in just cutting the gordian knot and not giving a frick because you actually liked the game, but at the same time I can't exactly prove I didn't check the game out due to shilling. Strange world huh
Everything is discourse.
OP got me, I've been barraged with so many shitty takes I thought were someone taking the piss that I started to take someone very clearly taking the piss as real.
>Ganker falling for a Hard drive article
Its literally satire incarnate you morons
DA:O and D:OS2 are better than BG3
Man I must be some type of fricked up bastard to want more than two decent CRPGs in two fricking decades
Your desires are just, but that's like asking Burkina Faso to produce the next great movie. There's neither the creative ability, nor the desire to do more than shitter work.
Well I like Baldur's Gate 3 and I've got no problems at this point, got what I wanted. Don't know why you idiots make it so hard
Dragon Age 2 received a crazy amount of hate here. It was the point where the board went from pro-Bioware to anti-Bioware. It didn't seem that bad.
DA2 didn't seem that bad?
Divinity Original Sin 2 (DOS2) is not Dragon Age 2 (DA2)
At some point these acronyms are just confusing.
I genuinely hope every single journalist is flayed alive and submerged in a vat of salty lemonade.
I'm assuming you're just making a general statement not in relation to OP, since what's in OP's image is the gaming equivalent of The Onion.
I read words and get angry so now I Grug Rage and kill people in despair too, anon.
Someone tell me why DnD 5e is bad. I've heard this before and I want to hear the whole story from your own mouths, it must be really really important if it (so you say) destroyed the most popular tabletop roleplaying game of all time
Degenerate gay bear sex teaching children to be homosex and taint my precious drinking water and fluids!
Why is Larian so Homophilic?
To homosex my precious fluids!
It's shallow and without a lot of the functionality and depth of 3.5. This makes it much more acceptable for newbs but also less appealing to long time players. Like comparing 5 additions 12 classes, to the 50+ classes present in 3.5. although the whole point is moot now considering 5e is being sunsetted for 6e, which looks genuinely fricking terrible
>It's shallow and without a lot of the functionality and depth of 3.5
>oh trust me its just gross
DESCRIBE WHY
FRICK
Not that anon but
Classes are extremely samey
Leveling is limited
In general, everything is so streamlined that moment when you start to think a little bit 5e just breaks
5e may have place in super casual tabletop parties but not in video games
Subclasses don't do much to differentiate a classes general playstyle like they do in 3.5E/Pathfinder. The only exception to this is Artificer but Artificer is not a core class.
Concentration
Extra attacks being tied to class progression rather than an inherent character stat like Base Attack Bonus in 3E, this limits multiclassing
Weapons within the same class, i.e. light weapons or reach weapons, are very similar to one another due to lacking extra distinguishing features like crit ranges, special ammunition types and attack speeds.
No prestige classes
Limited amount of feats a character can get, said feats also come at the cost of stats or vice versa limiting your character building options further.
That being said 5E cutting down on stat bloat is good.
He is right you know?
I think pillars 2, wasteland 3, underrail, and tyranny are all better than bg3 and I would happily replay them all before touching bg3 again.
bg3 was really good though no lying. I just hate the characters and story which is huge in a crpg. Best world and secrets though.
Yea I tried a BG3 replay, it’s not the same when you know what’s coming. None of them have replay value until time has wiped the memory clean. Look forward to Wasteland 3 again someday.
Fine by me. I just hate the people who didn't even play it AT ALL and tell themselves it doesn't even have a gameplay system, frick
>Wasteland 3
>Underrail
sure, they have their own appeal
>Pillars 2
>Tyranny
Why, especially if your problem with BG3 was the characters and story. I've never been a fan of Larian writing (outside of Dragon Commander) which prior to BG3 was ESL Monty Python and in BG3 itself mostly generic fantasy delivered well. But Pillars and Tyranny were just dry expositions punctuated with homosexualry
>BG3 itself mostly generic fantasy delivered well
BG3 doesn't feel like fantasy
It feels like larp of some troony kids
>But Pillars and Tyranny were just dry expositions punctuated with homosexualry
I think people exaggerate how bad tyrrany and pillars are
You play them once, have fun and move on
Play PoE1 first and just don't read text if you don't find it interesting or important
It’s SOOO good that I played 1.8 hours and quit. My mind couldn’t handle such goodness so I refunded it
I mean you dont want to play an inferior game after playing the best
So the only option is to replay the best until something even better comes out
you wouldn't be playing anything made in last 10 years then, unless you are total zoomer
Shit OP. That's some choice bait. Without the image watermark it would be perfect.
>Baldurs Gate 3 was inspired by a slew of crusty cprgs
>Crusty
>tfw no crpg set in the spongebob universe whose plot centers around the crusty crab and the israelite crustacean who runs it
Is this game shilled by the LGBTP community because the game is degenerate? I played it and it was boring as frick. Dragons Dogma is better
Close.
It's shilled because Coomers.
Coomers want to turn every game into erotic roleplay.
It's the same degenerates that used to post their porn fantasies on the Bioware forums back in the day.
I quitted BG3 after it broke my immersions.
I went to the druid hideout place, found a spy on top of the hill that killed one of those red skin people.
I killed the spy and try to report it but nobody cared about the event at all.
Then I was tilted and went into town and killed some people, but the guard caught me.
But I was let go after I rolled some dices, the fricking guard just let go a murderer like "Don't do that again, alright mate?".
That's when I know the game is not for me.
BG3 isn't even the best CRPG we got in 2023
I regret wasting my time on this shit instead of finally getting through my backlog
I'll never play a ~~*rpg*~~ that's not instantaneous, 3d free camera.
Any references to the bhaalspawn saga in bg3?
yeah
Central to the plot in a roundabout way.
i know it's a joke but this is eerily reminiscent of how RDR2 supposedly destroyed the whole industry by setting an impossible standard.
Oh come one, stop the fricking hype. It's good, but not nearly that good. It's not a masterpiece and noone will play it in 5 years.
Who cares? It's popular now and there's no reason to avoid talking about it if it won't be popular later.
It's a AAA proper RPG with no microtransactions, 6 DLCs, or the next for 12 months of patching just to be playable (looking at you, Owlcat Game). And it sold like hotcakes.
You know, AI voice acting would solve the issues of all these old games.
Just saying.
Oh yeah you think people from 2023 are going to go play BG1 just if it had voices in it? I don't know man sounds pretty clueless
It would help.
I haven't played BG1 myself, but do you believe in the idea of "game mechanics aging"? A good game mechanic should be timeless.
UI tends to age though, like Fallout's.
I think BG3 offers more than voice acting, and the gameplay people like isn’t just raw concept, it’s actually involved in UI and holistic game design. To make it simple, do people really want to just click around some isometric sprites and vertically scroll through every shop rather than play a 3D world with free camera movement and modern design
No, it wouldn't. Frick you.
All these giant book ass games and none of them had voice acting.
So that mantra of "WHY USE AI??? JUST HIRE A VOICE ACTOR" hasn't seemed to apply historically, has it? I wonder why?
Nta but you don’t even get it in the first place. Actors reading text out loud to you does not turn BG2 into BG3. You pulled that false premise out of your ass to imply the only thing BG3 has to offer is voice acting, which just isn’t true. But don’t take my word for it, go try yourself. The AI tools and modding options are all available to you
Amazing. That would literally not solve a single issue.
would you like to list these issues for us
The main problems with older games are their unbearable interfaces and archaic mechanics.
Most of the time their UIs are better because they were built for a single platform instead of the modern AAA console-PC hybrid UIs filled with time-wasting animations and 50 different tabs
>BG3 players are brainlets
Who would have thunk?
It's a CRPG, I can't imagine it being anything other than a boring slog
Did they put chromatic aberration on the text or is my eyesight going?
It's called subpixel rendering. If your subpixel layout in the monitor differs from OP's it's going to look like ass on your monitor.
Bg3 is 8/10 like some other posters apreadyve mentioned, its far from being perfect, but it kindda best fix for people that want tabletop feel.
Witcher is an action rpg seties that basicly force you into rping as a witcher, its closer to arkham batman/assasins creed than to what can be considered as a real rpg.
Pathfinder games are the only mainstream new addition to the genere.
I would like to see more rpgs with plethora od races/classes in favor of "the one famous hero/superhero as a mc".
People who prefer to play this kind of games are not suited for rpg, they cant devise their own backstory and are in need of whatever media theyre consuming to feed them directly into their throat.
They need to be establihed, known individual or else their weak brains will revolt against the idea of forging your own saga from humble beginings.
Having said this and as i already mentioned, bg3 should have another year of development, maybe then it could become 10/10
Did you SEE the amount of awards BG3 got? It basically saved gaming in 2023.
normie opinions about the game literally don't matter because none of them make it out of act 1
game was so fricking unfinished they had to patch in an entire epilogue
The casuals reception to BG3 tells me everything I need to know about it.
Will I like BG3 if I'm not really into the whole fantasy pastiche dnd setting?
It was made to appeal to everyone except people who hate the modern world.
It probably won't have a great appeal to you in that case. If you can enjoy a game for what it is, you can probably still wring some enjoyment out of it, but it really is a big ol love letter to D&D and the previous BG games.
Nah, its not great.
>B-b-but
It makes the final choices in its main quest too fricking late in the questline to encourage replayability. If I want Orpheus free, that should be an early act 3 thing. If I want to become a mindflayer, that shit should occur not too long after (and only work if I used too many tadpoles). Endings work best when your decisions actually led you there, and the only time this happens is with Gale the Extremely moronic and the Netherese Orb of Breaking Established Karsus Lore.
And speaking on replayability, I probably would've at least gotten to that ending a second time, if each Act didn't have uniquely bad shit that made me not want to replay it whatsoever.
ACT 1 Just feels like filler past the Nautiloid. The main quest in the area feels like an overblown sidequest that has little baring on the plot, only important because a half-dozen companions talk to the NPCs you re-encounter a second time, or a third if the NPC's lucky.
ACT 2 has that stupid shadow curse everywhere, though it at least follows the plot and has a decent ending.
And ACT 3 drops the plot's momentum, and while it still vaguely follows the plot that was set up, it still feels like it started some sequel instead with how hard a stop it throws at you.
Is this supposed to be ""serious"" article? Hard to tell these day, but if yes it was made be complete fricking moron.
tencentslop