i'd agree with you if there wasn't a fricking open beta/alpha whatever. there's absolutely grounds to judge the game, and it isn't looking very fricking good
Yeah, I hate that this game based on DnD uses turn based combat like DnD. So fricking stupid.
I wish it was like BG1 and 2 again where the game played itself like a mobile game, where I could just auto attack every enemy in the game outside of the few boss fights where I'd have to prebuff before letting the game go back to auto battling.
Which is good because DO2 played more like DnD than old DnD games did. Obsession with taking turn based systems and trying to make them some ungodly real time system needs to die. The systems were not created for it and the devs end up doing more work to fit a square peg through a circular hole than the devs should. If you want to make an action oriented DnD that's fine but gameplay like Baldur's gate has ALWAYS been pretty shit. Devs should make gameplay systems that actually suite what they want to make, not create some bastardization because you feel enslaved to the TTRPG rules but not enough to actually accurately replicate them. That pathfinder game had the same issue.
I don't want to play Baldurs Gate, I want to play Divinity Original Sin with a D&D license. Not like Baldurs Gate was any good in the first place, Neverwinter was better, and the franchise was dead until the new game.
This.
The first quest you encounter is literally a "MUH IMMIGRATION ACTUALLY GOOD" sub standard iq take. No nuance, no actual moral complexity.
just bog standard propaganda.
Wotc being huge homosexuals and larian being libtards which resulted in gay shit and Black folk being in the alpha already.
Ganker Contrariangays as usual. Nothing to see here.
>i'd agree with you if there wasn't a fricking open beta/alpha whatever
Same thing with Divinity OS 2. They want as much feedback as possible to not plop out a turd like most devs.
This.
The first quest you encounter is literally a "MUH IMMIGRATION ACTUALLY GOOD" sub standard iq take. No nuance, no actual moral complexity.
just bog standard propaganda.
Nobody here is going to care about economics, they'll call you a JOOOO and ignore any actual real world requirements for a country to have immigration.
Because they get subsidised by the larger economic entity that is the US. They have no need to grow economically why they're bolstered by the ever growing US. If the US were not subsidizing them with funding, they would need immigration. They aren't an economic-focused country but a defensive foothold for the US in the region.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So it's the joos after all?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you want to boil down international geopolitical conflicts to a singular group rather than a broad spectrum of players all acting in their own interests to label them as "joos" then sure, but you would be incredibly silly to do so considering the fact that reality is boring. It's not a Tom Clancy novel.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's not a Tom Clancy novel.
It's even worse and you fricking moron knows it, yet everyone pretends it's not
1 year ago
Anonymous
It really isn't. 99.9% of world happenings are not coordinated by a string-pulling shadow organization. Most shit is because people are stupid, or people are motivated by some personal gain. I see people even boiling down train derailments to a shadow conspiracy but in reality, there's a clear and traceable connection between the train companies cutting corners and shifting staff around and changing regulations for safety. That's just one example.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>string-pulling shadow organization
Words like that are used to make conspiracies sound stupid but how comes that israelites are involved in so much shit (from communism to epstein, woke shit and big corporations trying to control and know everything about you and that's only the last 100 years). You don't really need "shadow organization", they know what's good for them and will even openly talk about it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
high in-group preference
higher average IQ, particularly verbal IQ
invulnerable holocaust shield
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't forget the most important thing: the perfect host.
>immigration is good actually
For the government maybe because more tax payers but for everyone else it's garbage. Immigrants get taken advantage of by employers and non immigrants get fricked out of jobs because why pay a native citizen person X amount when you can pay Peter Pajeet half. Don't even get me started on the fricking housing and apartments
fricking stupid 21st century problems leaking into writing because writers can't see past their own fricking timeline. idgaf pro or anti immigration. non of these are real problems in that universe
Everything is fine, you are just a raving shitposter buttblasted by Larian who has spent all week making anti BG3 threads and shitting up other on here and /vg/.
Her voice actress is doing a phenomenal job. A lesser performance would have just made her an irritating c**t, but here you can sort of guess there's more to here than just being an irritating c**t.
Not him but same with pathfinder wotr
The writing just sucks, I can never get into reddit writing because it has no meat.
The female paladin is literally giga cringe, the characters they want to be 'cool' e.g Wenduag the spider b***h is also cringe. It's just all cringe.
"Wenduag spits on the floor, grinning strangely. "You felt it too, Lann? The bloodthirst, the soft whispers calling you to give in to violence? Finally paying attention, are you?"
Lann: Lann looks puzzled. "Uh... No. Not .. at all? I don't hear any whispers and feel no bloodthirst... Wendu, see a healer. I think you're just genuinely insane." Lann and the huntress glare at each other.
>"Wenduag spits on the floor, grinning strangely. "You felt it too, Lann? The bloodthirst, the soft whispers calling you to give in to violence? Finally paying attention, are you?" >Lann: Lann looks puzzled. "Uh... No. Not .. at all? I don't hear any whispers and feel no bloodthirst... Wendu, see a healer. I think you're just genuinely insane.
This looks AI generated.
Yeah, as the other anon said, the plot is very thin.The writing is very standard, unimaginative shit. The companions are almost totally uninteresting. Nok-Nok was decent. The gameplay itself is fine, but the writing couldn't hold me playing.
As a straight right wing white male with objectively good taste, I enjoyed Kingmaker. It's a solid RPG, the overall plot is very good, the setting is feyirly interesting, the turn based combat is pretty decent, and most of the companions are likeable. Call of the Wild is a fantastic mod that probably elevates the game very much - can't say anything about vanilla experience.
Trust me, I put the joke about fey under a spoiler. I don't remember spoilers being turned off for Ganker, and I remember having this bug on /vg/ a few years ago.
this this this
god, the companions are so ultra dogshit i couldnt handle it
Not him but same with pathfinder wotr
The writing just sucks, I can never get into reddit writing because it has no meat.
The female paladin is literally giga cringe, the characters they want to be 'cool' e.g Wenduag the spider b***h is also cringe. It's just all cringe.
"Wenduag spits on the floor, grinning strangely. "You felt it too, Lann? The bloodthirst, the soft whispers calling you to give in to violence? Finally paying attention, are you?"
Lann: Lann looks puzzled. "Uh... No. Not .. at all? I don't hear any whispers and feel no bloodthirst... Wendu, see a healer. I think you're just genuinely insane." Lann and the huntress glare at each other.
Just your typical homosexual in charge of writing
What the frick are you doing in BG3 thread? Why the frick are people like you playing Larian games in general?
What the frick are you talking about Black person? I played DOS 2 and liked it. I played DOS 1 and didn't like and then I played Kingsmaker and it was so shit I quit. BG3 is shaping up to be pretty bad, somewhere between dos 1 and kingsmaker.
D:OS is way worse...couldn't get into the world or characters at all and had to drop it over the writing. I loved Dragon Age Origins though so I guess I have shit taste.
Nah, Dragon Age Origins runs circles around D:OS writing. It's not that DA:O writing is exeptional mind you, it's just that Larian is just that shit at writing stories. Always has been, since Divine Divinity. So I don't believe they somehow got better in time for BG3.
It is better than D:OS, but still bad. They removed most of their staple cringy humor and ‘whimsicalness’ which just exposes their failure to write anything captivating.
I can't remember a game that encourages that much interaction with your party members but where almost all of them are hot garbage. Dragon Age Inquisition comes close but it's not quite at this level.
I still remember the cope during the earliest alpha versions when people claimed Larian had just pushed all the awful companions nobody would normally use out of the door first so they'd actually get some feedback on them. But then they never added any good ones and people got really quiet, lmao.
Them being the only characters in BOTH covers was such a red flag and should've made people suspicious. How you can have such a "diverse" game w so many races and clases and obly have a party of 6 unlikeable c**ts for the whole game is beyond me.
Larian always kind of sucked. They have some cool ideas but their project management is absolutely terrible. Their games end up barely held together at the seams, frayed, and all-too-often thin enough to see through upon closer inspection.
I remain unimpressed and I doubt they'll change their ways until the old guard leave.
>irony
lmao. Beamdog was established for the sole purpost of making BG and they lost BG3 to Larian and DOS2.
Sorry, chump. You got cucked hard. And you've been seething about it since the original announcement trailer in 2019
Not the gameplay because I've never seen any complaints about the turn based gameplay itself, just children mindlessly crying about politics and >TURNBASED BAD BECAUSE.....BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OK?!?!
The game is a 10/10 masterpiece. The only thing that went wrong was your bastard father impregnating your prostitute of a mother and the dumb bawd did not abort your shitty fetus while she could.
So we can expect a lot of porn art for this game, i see.
Only if you are dumb enough to want her in the first place.
She's a gith, they have communal hatcheries. People that treat her as if she is a human are all moronic. Giths are written to be as alien as possible while still being familiar.
>NO DONT BE FAITHFUL TO THE LORE THE LORE BAD NOW BECAUSE IT HURTS MY FEEFEES
And this is why nobody takes you seriously
1 year ago
Anonymous
WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months. If you're into cuckholding that's on you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months
and you have zero examples of that, when you should have many after 4 years in development.
I figured you learned your lesson after the female dwarf beards fiasco made you look like a complete idiot, but I guess not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Quit fellating a company this hard, it might hurt your throat. >I figured you learned your lesson after the female dwarf beards fiasco made you look like a complete idiot,
Fricking Don Quixote over here. I am but a humble messenger of Larian's vision.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>that quality seethe
lmao fricking knew it.
It's ok, Im sure you'll get an actual example of them butchering the lore to seethe about someday.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You want to talk about how they retconned SCAG an Volo's away with MToF? Or how Descent into Avernus counters PHB?
They are literally re-releasing the sourcebooks with retconned errata'd lore.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Im sure you have proof of it to explain with too.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't need a proof. It's a well known thing for anyone who knows anything about D&D.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I dont need roof because we just know!
lmao embarrassing. Just admit you dont have any
1 year ago
Anonymous
Here are your drows bro >https://blizzardwatch.com/2021/12/15/dnd-drow-evil/
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Wizards of the Coast has published an errata
So why did you post a link to WoTC being morons? We're talking about Larian errata'ing lore, homosexual. Stay on point
1 year ago
Anonymous
No we're not lmao. >WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months. If you're into cuckholding that's on you.
Read homie READ.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Good job, didnt even notice that shift back then. Well done.
Now, where were we? Oh yes,
>humm actually getting cucked is good if it's lore accurate
Well, so far, the romances are about as organic as anything coming from Larian. It runs on the D:OS2 system, where around one arbitrary point in time, all your companions want to jump your dick, because you've hit an arbitrary approval threshold with them by simply not being a dick to them.
I feel so realistic, bros.
>Well, so far, the romances are about as organic as anything coming from Larian.
don't care, i'm going to frick succubus prostitutes with no strings attached and you'll still be a weird, sad and lonely homosexual seething about how the game doesn't let you properly court NPC's
I'm fine with this as long as the option to subsequently murder her is there.
Also it needs to happen only with characters where it makes sense.
But I have little hope any of these two things will be the case.
>We don't want to make it into this romance system which is, 'I earned this person'
This is missing the point
Yes, you 'earn' a romantic companion in games, it's an unavoidable consequence of it being a game. You identify a piece of content you want to engage with, and you meet the criteria to access that content. Just like you 'earn' endings, story routes, quest resolutions - you're not 'owning' a person, you're earning story content.
The characters can still be written to have agency, which can't be said for making them 'romanceable by everybody'. THEN they exist as an object instead of a character. They're not allowed to have their own preferences, because then the pride flags might feel 'excluded' or 'invalidated' and launch into histrionics
Trying something different is good, but I see this more as (admittedly mild) handwringing over 'problematic' elements, and being (mildly) hostile to their audience for daring to treat game content as something to be achieved
I might be attributing motives to them that they don't have but, from experience, I don't think so
Taking something that's inevitable and entirely natural in the gaming medium, overthinking it and declaring it a problematic element that needs to be 'fixed' for 'modern sensibilities' is what progressives do and it always makes their games worse
They actually haven't presented a much better solution, so they can keep their opinion. They actually stole the OTHER DA:O mechanic that is about as broken as the gifts system if not more, meaning the approval system.
There's an element of that too, and like I said I might be unfairly attributing motivations to them, but the fact that they included that part about 'If you sleep with her, she sleeps with someone else the next night' tells me there's a progressive, player-hostile angle to it as well
like they specifically find it problematic that a player could potentially see her as a 'reward' for engaging with the system, despite that being RPG 101
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think they're specifically talking about Lae'zel who has no concept of monogamy, specifically as an example that the party members aren't asexual unless the PC shows an interest in them
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's not so bad I guess, I like characters actually having preferences and not just existing to be hit on
1 year ago
Anonymous
I guess that's the idea (or rather - a flimsy excuse) but Kevin Van Ord can't deliver. She doesn't sound like monogamy is an alien concept of her, she sounds like Kevin has a fetish. She literally threatens you with cucking, so she DOES have an idea of monogamy and actively uses it against you.
1 year ago
Anonymous
well she's also an butthole
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Lae'zel who has no concept of monogamy
Lae'zel is a strong independent modern woman CONFIRMED
1 year ago
Anonymous
well she's also an butthole
She's written by a gay ex-Kotaku writer. What the frick did you expect?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I expect the prize to be worth the chase. You probably buy your steak pre-cut at the supermarket and imagine yourself as a seasoned hunter.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Back in my day, we called people like you simps.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I've been called worse, and terms that predate that so whatever.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The very fact that she understrands that sex=love in Faerun, means that she does have a concept of monogamy, so Kevin is full of shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Anon, I don't think anyone was implying she's too moronic or ignorant to understand that different cultures or people have different values. It just doesn't mean much to her, or her culture. You can be cognizant of a concept and reject it on a personal basis.
1 year ago
Anonymous
so she just walks into Faerun, gets into a relationship with someone, knows how romance works in their culture, goes to get gangbanged in a egg pit, and gets pissed at them when they get upset?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just like real life!
1 year ago
Anonymous
You've embellished some details there. All she said is that she's not going to give you love.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, she's a strong independent githyanki written by a gay ex-Kotaku writer.
It's YOUR fault for trying to get into a relationship with her despite it being her that keeps throwing herself at you.
tldr, the frog can kindly frick off with her bullshit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
she's a complete dickhead from the moment you meet her so I don't know why anyone would pursue her in the first place tbh
1 year ago
Anonymous
Because the game REALLY wants you to pursue her.
Also >she's a complete dickhead
that's every companion.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You are not owed a lifelong committed relationship just because you had a casual one-night fling to celebrate a bloody battle, incel. What is wrong with you?
1 year ago
Anonymous
"Frick me or else" is probably a pretty poor way of signalling this is a casual no-strings-attached fling. She's the desperate one here, not me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm not following. Clearly the signalling is that is is going to be casual no strings attached sex, the recipient being you or someone else. That's how these frogs roll, she's not false advertising.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Well, she's the one getting offended if you tell her to frick off with her advances. It's like the writer is getting pissed off on her behalf.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This makes sense. How could you pass up on the opportunity to please the greatest frog warrior the realms have seen in decades? Honestly, aren't you a little gay?
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, Kevin is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Gaider is also a homosexual and he wrote a well-received romance in BG2. On this basis I have no issue with someone being a homosexual in itself.
1 year ago
Anonymous
that was before he got mind-raped into being gay
1 year ago
Anonymous
If your character is allowed to get upset about it and tell her to frick off or something, then the writing will be fine. If you're forced to be 'Oh woe is me, my heart lies in tatters but I could never cage such a free and beautiful creature as this!' then it's garbage
1 year ago
Anonymous
She is a Githyanki, It is their culture lorelet.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I believe that is totally the case, Kevin.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm slightly disappointed by the pattern of people not being able to recognize sarcasm in these threads
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think they're talking about how she fricks other men even if you're trying to romance her and goes "lol haha its my culture!" and you're supposed to go "thats okay sweetie!" or you're locked out of her romance route
>coop play throughs can break if a player makes different choices during a conversation
really? so if i say "i dont trust elves" and my friend says "i trust elves' then he ends up fighting with the elves and i end up with dwarfs and we are no longer playing the game together? lol
>all the companions are just Larion D&D OCs >so they're all Chaotic so they could roleplay them however they want >if you don't pick a chaotic option all your companions just hate you lmao
>Most non-linear >Dense with secrets and content >Great combat encounter design >Best looking >Good tactical combat with actual positioning >Vertical gameplay >Map is super dense with content >Cool loot with unique properties >Old blizzard level cinematics >God tier engine can handle gigantic maps in multiplayer with no loading times.
Yep, rpg kino time
>Map is super dense with content
You mean, they are doing that D:OS2 shit, where everything is five steps away from each other and there is no sense of scake whatseover?
At least other cRPGs *pretend* their worldbuilding makes sense. Unless you are Bethesda, that is.
Larian doesn't even bother with immersion. D:OS2 was gamey as all frick.
Have you not seen BG3 EA? Crashed nautiloid, goblin fort, druid grove, underdark, witch swamp and a lot more shit all in the distance of a small stroll.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The way other games would handle it is to cut up the areas into separate instances and then put up a world map to pretend like there's scale while the amount of total play space remains the same. I don't think that's a better solution.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's a way better solution, because at least IT'S A SOLUTION.
1 year ago
Anonymous
A solution to an imagined problem that improves nothing and just adds more loading screens. >since it prevents the world from being a shitty disney themepark
It doesn't. At all. It's literally the exact fricking same, just cut up into pieces.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't think that's a better solution.
Yes it is, since it prevents the world from being a shitty disney themepark.
forgot second reply
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It doesn't. At all.
It does. By not having all the attractions in one place.
1 year ago
Anonymous
That's not better.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I had a feeling that explaining immersion and versimilitude to a Lariangay might be tad difficult, because Lariangays.
It prevents the game from having a believable world, because it requires you to shut down your brain and stop thinking about the writing. I didn't need to see where the De'Arnise lands were, I just assumed they were around the keep within the reach of those 24 hours that took me to move from the keep to Tradesmeet.
I do have questions as to how do people live in those BG3 lands (wherever the frick in Faerun they are) and why aren't they raided by drow and goblins 24/7, living so close to FRICKING UNDERDARK.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You're exaggerating a personal gripe. All fiction demands a willing suspension of disbelief. Concerning immersion, it's a difference of degrees of disbelief required and the difference between what BG3 has and what you propose is so small that I personally do not give a frick. Obsess over it if you want but I'd say that's a waste of time.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I personally do not give a frick.
Well, of course YOU don't.
There is a difference in approach to versimilitude. Some writers try to help you suspend your disbelief, by trying to make their worlds immersive.
Other writers, like the ones at Larian and Bethesda don't even give a frick. And they can go frick a cactus, because that disrespectful to their audience.
But of YOU are fine with it...
1 year ago
Anonymous
>But of YOU are fine with it...
I am. As are most people. In fact I very much enjoy world continuity.
1 year ago
Anonymous
...what continuity? Larian's world continuity makes no sense.
1 year ago
Anonymous
the vast majority of old-gays like me who played the originals 20 years ago wont even bother to pirate it.
bg3 has nothing in common with the old games, besides the name.
>in the entirety of the last couple years, the only info we were given about BG3 was character creator "funnies" and coomer baiting
not even worth to pirate.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Good. I've wanted you homosexuals filtered out of the genre for a long time.
With you gone we can enjoy superior turn-based games without constant whining about muhrtwp.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I played all of the infinity engine games several times and I pre-ordered BG3 a long time ago. I see no problem with enjoying all of those games.
Only 5 companions. How many did BG2 have on release? Spiritual successor?
Let's not pretend like most of the NPC companions in BG1/2 weren't absolute garbage that got put on benchwarming duty the moment they joined.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>bg2 companions garbage
Ok you got a (You) out of me. XD
1 year ago
Anonymous
I didn't say they were bad characters (not the ones in BG2, at least), just that most of them were fricking useless mechanically. At least Larian's companions start at level 1, so I can give non-moronic builds and have them do something worthwhile past the opening zone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>At least Larian's companions start at level 1, so I can give non-moronic builds
Haha. Good one.
I want to see you make good use of fricking SHADOWHEART with that stat distribution and that subclass.
The companions in BG3 way more moronicly designed than the ones in BG1/2.
1 year ago
Anonymous
her stats are comparable to the rest of the party, and while Trickery isn't GREAT she's still a fricking Cleric
1 year ago
Anonymous
>my argument is that BG2 companions somehow suck mechanically >yes, but BG3 companions actually suck mechanically even more >so what?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm a completely different anon, I'm just saying the BG3 companions don't suck mechanically (for 5E)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yep.
Especially at the level range BG3 is expected to take place in, Cleric is super solid throughout and while 16 in Wisdom isn’t amazing, it’s not like it’s a huge deal with how the Cleric spell list is.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>All fiction demands a willing suspension of disbelief.
Some more than others.
BG3 a lot more than others.
Every square mile being a separate theme park next to each other requires a frickton of suspension of disbelief, at this point it's not even that, it's just turning your brain off.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't think that's a better solution.
Yes it is, since it prevents the world from being a shitty disney themepark.
1 year ago
Anonymous
And yet, BG1/2 or even Fallout 1/2, figured the solution to this issue out 20 years ago, and you felt the sense of distance. Larian just shoves everything into one small map and call it a day. They can't even be bothered with day/night cycle, so everything feels like it happens in this small pocket plane where time stands still.
Anyone who bought a larian product at this stage in the game and is complaining about wokeness is Black person-tier iq and deserves exactly what they got.
No refunds homosexuals
>please sirs we will promise to release it this year please do the needful and buy >sirs we did not redeem the release date this year but next year we promise >sirs we kindly ask you do the needful and wait yet again for another year
Not once did Larian say that the early access was going to release and then the game would follow within the year. No amount of funny indian posting will change that fact.
Larian aren't even Indians, create Original Content to make your point instead, remember, racism is only okay if you are being racist correctly and towards the right race(s).
>please sirs we will promise to release it this year please do the needful and buy
Never said that. I was always just: >Want to play early and help us with feedback? You can. Just like it was with Dos 1 and 2.
>i followed a walkthrough on what conversation options i need to pick to romance the lizard girl >what do you mean she'll leave me?! i followed the walkthrough!
Most RPGs in the last decade have been quite poor. Almost all discussion is around Twitter screencaps of the writers being c**ts or sexless dweebs drooling over dolls.
The anti racism of fantasy races thing has been pushed so fantasy game devs have a excuse to make your character's race not have unique dialogue lines.
>Even BG1 had more, lel.
That's not impressive considering most BG3 companions have more dialogue in the act 1 beta than BG1 companions had. It's not hard to fill a game with companions like that nor is it impressive. He was right to compare it to BG2 not 1.
>its better because the writers slammed on their keyboards for 10 minutes instead of 1
okay, LariaBlack person
1 year ago
Anonymous
Whether or not you like the writing doesn't change that it takes time to write and implement. I never said it was better dipshit. I said comparing BG3 to BG2 makes more sense because QUANTITY of content related to companions is more similar. I never said anything about the quality. It's funny you think I like larian or something, I never said one positive thing about them. I even implied their level of work is unimpressive compared to BG2. All I said was that comparing BG1 companions is stupid because they were low on content compared to 2. That is a fact. A fact that others seem to understand because the guy who started this post chain chose to compare BG3 to 2, just as I would have, because it makes more sense. And when you do compare them, yes, BG3 looks unimpressive. I'm sorry that you think everyone who points out why you are moronic is somehow a "LarianBlack person".
I too hate when my games based on turn-based table-top systems are turn-based. They should take that system and try to make it real time even if it leads to stupid mindless shit gameplay where you buff before every fight and then auto-attack. THAT'S what DnD is all about after all.
>no no no let me tell you what you really like and what is better
frick off : )
>shadow dragon fight in BG2, RTWP >fast orchestral music blasting while your entire team is being flung across the fricking room by a roaring dragon in real time >holy shit this is exciting and fun as frick
now lets make the same dragon fight, but now its turn based: >loud fast orchestral music is blasting while everybody stands still, not doing anything, paralysed >1 character makes a swing animation, and then goes back to being paralysed, everybody else just standing there, doing nothing >i fall asleep for inhuman levels of boredom
>zoomer is adhd
Again, no surprise there. Now wake up and play the game you little pansy >Dragon uses AoE and knocks everyone back >Now you have to move your teammates into position so you can land a hit on the dragon >but you have to be careful because the dragon also has high initiative nd can pick you off if you get too close >now plan a proper strategy to get into position as the dragon singles teammates out or fires AoEs
Meanwhile in RTwP >Dragon fli- >Pause >Heh no see, you cant do that! >Drag- >pause >see I cancelled my attack at the last second because I knew you were going to do that! >Dr- >Pause >auto battle because Im too smart for this
I mean, if you're just gonna copypaste posts from the previous thread, two can play that game 😉
1 year ago
Anonymous
it appears you didnt even play BG2.
thats ok, i accept your concession.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Nuh uh! You didnt play it!
Like how
If you have to make assumptions about the other guy because you dont have any arguments, it means you've lost, sweatie!
So it looks like the one conceeding, is you!
1 year ago
Anonymous
>zoomer is adhd
Again, no surprise there. Now wake up and play the game you little pansy >Dragon uses AoE and knocks everyone back >Now you have to move your teammates into position so you can land a hit on the dragon >but you have to be careful because the dragon also has high initiative nd can pick you off if you get too close >now plan a proper strategy to get into position as the dragon singles teammates out or fires AoEs
Meanwhile in RTwP >Dragon fli- >Pause >Heh no see, you cant do that! >Drag- >pause >see I cancelled my attack at the last second because I knew you were going to do that! >Dr- >Pause >auto battle because Im too smart for this
I mean, if you're just gonna copypaste posts from the previous thread, two can play that game 😉
are you a noob or something? lmao this isnt how i played the shadow dragon fight at all, it was fun and dynamic.
and i played it like a thousand times, kek. >nuh uh nuh uh
sounds like a skill issue, or a you problem.
And? "I had FUN" Cool? You gonna bother trying to explain why you think BG1 and 2 have good combat? Cause if you don't there's nothing else to be said. This is such a nothing post, why even bother responding to me if you're just going to go "No you wrong because I had FUN"? I'm not even against real time combat in a DnD game but there is no reason it should be like BG1 or 2 where they tried to turn a turn-based system into a real time system. That's just plainly unintelligent, as I said in another post in this thread, it's trying to fit a square peg through a circular hole. There's no reason to do it, it's just more work for an inferior system.
I'm playing Siege of Dragonspear, thought about using the shaman goblin but she complains all the time, thought about using Corwinf the femsoldier but she's annoying so my party now is
Me paladin
Safana
Viconia
Minsc with longbows
Dynaheir with magic
How fun is the combat in this compared to Divinity: OS 1 and 2?
I heard they got rid of all the elemental interaction but is that true and if so are there other mechanics that make up for it?
I don't want to play the game/spoil myself too much until it is actually content complete.
No it's more like they toned down the interactions. Its just DnD combat but with some of the things Larian likes to put in like those kinds of interactions.
Looks like I got tricked by shitposters again, thanks.
No it's more like they toned down the interactions. Its just DnD combat but with some of the things Larian likes to put in like those kinds of interactions.
5e is one of the best iterations of DnD ever. Are you really going to try and say 3.5 is better or something? Why? Because you like caster classes and they are even more blatantly broken in older systems?
>and the unnatural.
So what do you think about the fact that many animals engage in homosexual sex acts? Those animals that have been influenced by humans in no way are "unnatural"? Sounds pretty moronic.
You used the argument that something is bad because it's unnatural, you fricking moron. He's mirroring your logic. You just owned yourself you dumb fricking moron.
Anon, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I did have breakfast this morning, troony. Stupid question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I did have breakfast this morning, troony. Stupid question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, but how would you FEEL if you didn't have breakfast?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I don't fricking know you dumb fricking Black person. I did have breakfast. What is this moronic question? I'd probably feel like I didn't have breakfast. But I did have breakfast so I'm telling you that I feel like I had breakfast. Fricking stupid troony.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he's sperging
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm white so however dumb you think I am, it's still going to be 20 IQ points AT THE VERY LEAST above your moron brain.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Black person cant understand hypothetical questions
Fricking pottery I tell you
1 year ago
Anonymous
You’re in a desert. You’re walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. You see a tortoise, anon. It’s crawling toward you…You reach down and flip the tortoise on its back, anon. The tortoise lays on his back, his belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, Leon, not without your help. But you’re not helping…. Why is that, anon?
1 year ago
Anonymous
My name isn't Leon so I don't know what the frick you're talking about, troony.
1 year ago
Anonymous
MY MOTHER?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Uh, could you repeat that? Why is there a tortoise out in the middle of the desert?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, but how would you FEEL if you didn't have breakfast?
Explain the breakfast analogy, I'm moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
> Someone makes a food analogy > Disregard their opinion because its worthless
There you go.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Black person beats someone up >goes to court >How would you feel if someone beat you up? >I dont understand, nobody beat me up >Yes but hypothetically if someone beat you up, how would you feel? >but nobody beat me up though? I dont understand
A Black person recently went viral because he demonstrated profound lack of empathy and an.inability to underatand hypotheticals
1 year ago
Anonymous
>How would you feel if someone beat you up? >>I dont understand, nobody beat me up
Link? Can't find this for shit
1 year ago
Anonymous
he's calling anon a moron (which they are)
1 year ago
Anonymous
Long ago some post claimed that analogies and the barest minimum "complex" hypotheticals would anger morons and the example hypothetical that morons wouldn't be able to engage with was >How would you feel yesterday evening if you had not eaten breakfast or lunch?
For some reason it really upsets tards ans giga autists so it's used as a joke to essentially point out how fricking moronic somebody is.
He's a low IQ /misc/cel, don't bother. If he'd use that logic consistently he wouldn't be use computers or medicine because both of these don't exist in nature and artificial human inventions.
>But its so natural anon animals do it
Animals dont get brain-destroying from cannibalism. Just stop, moron.
Kuru only happened in one single tribe for a few years, and that's because they ate a corpse of a person already suffering from CJD. It's not something inherent to cannibalism.
I once talked to a person that didn't like BG3 in person. They came across as extremely unintelligent. Low IQ subhuman really.
Is this game just filtering morons?
So you're telling me they are using a map and characters from a previous game, with a few tweaks, and calling it a different game? I'm pretty sure that is a couple of different game developers, not this one, but I could be wrong.
I'm excited because they referenced adding a Lone Wolf-esque perk to the game and I enjoyed using a single character in DOS2 to play through with using that perk. I'm interested to see if they really follow through with that promise and how it will be implemented.
I'm an autist and have replayed DOS2 like 17 times, most solo. I understand what you mean and I often make my first playthrough regular before I go through the game in an attempt to break the combat system and solo it.
they probably have to clear mechanics with Hasbro/Wizard of the Coast before implementing.
Baldur's Gate has always had the solo Bhaalspawn metagaming runs. Lone Wolf would fit the ...what do you even call the player's character, the Squidhead? The Brainwormed? Ha ha the Illithid stuck a li'l babby mindeater in yo head better get that shit out
>make a shield dwarf barbarian >toss goblins off clifs >have a blast
Love this game! I don't remember the last time i had this much time playing a mele combatant class.
>If people respond to eachother and have a conversation they are schizos
I agree anon everyone should just make low effort posts like yours and then never respond to a thread again. Holy shit you are dumb.
Cheap woketard slops that was corny even in the year they first decided to pinch out this turd. Enjoy your gender neutral goblins or whatever the frick. That first level was shit, the rest isn't going to get better. 2/10. Good game assets absolutely squandered on what basically amounts to shit-tier fanfic. I regretted the drive space wasted on pirating this weak shit.
Well if you get the early access you'll get about 20 plus hours of content to playthrough if you do everything possible. Even then you can try out multiple classes to get a feel for them, also once you get early access you'll automatically get the digital deluxe edition on release.
>20 plus hours
More like 35-40 hrs if you do all the quests. Plus even more for additional playthroughs with different classes etc. I've got around 160hrs so far.
its going to be kino and definitely one of the better games of 2023. the real question is will larain make it something actually special like bg 1/2 that people still play and discuss 20 years later.
i doubt tbh, theres some really annoying shit like the amount of time it takes to get though conversations thanks to cameras having to swap back and forth+voice acting.
also the troony shit that just got added to EA.
yeah but who cares. that was up the player and only the player to do that and people still called you by your gender.
now who knows how many troony npcs are in later acts
baldur's gate was always shit and torment and icewind dale were always way better
i'm glad they're making what is essentialy dos3 instead of another unplayable real time with autism garbage
What is it about RTWP exactly that filters morons? Is it that they get overwhelmed by having to manage a party of 4-6 characters without the game reminding them to give repetitive orders, one at a time, every turn? Can they not handle monsters walking around at their own speeds at the same time, instead of having tile-to-tile movement highlighted in a non-intimidating way? Or is it the janky AD&D 2E rules that they can't figure out, but they don't want to admit that they're unable to grok them, so they blame the pausing instead?
RTWP is, literally, the best cRPG timing system ever developed. It was a stroke of genius and a fruitful marriage between the best elements of real-time and turn-based systems.
No one ever does it good. For some reason it's easier and more enjoyable to control multiple heroes in warcraft 3 even without pause.
Larian did turn based because it's better for dnd 5e and they know how to do it good.
Well since they're making a sequel to a series of games that did it well, they should just... do it that way again. I don't see what 5e changes from 2e that encourages dropping RTWP, let alone necessitating it.
Also, WC3 isn't a CRPG, it's an RTS where the ability to manage many simultaneous tasks at once is the core gameplay. WC3 would be trivial and boring to play with pause, and abysmal if turn-based.
But in a CRPG, it's a waste of the player's time to individually give attack actions against individual trash mobs during battle clean-up phases, or sending in all your creatures to attack one move-speed-distance at a time. It's the exact reason people complain about how slow and grindy random encounters are in JRPGs: so many obvious and repetitive orders that consume the player's time in real life for no interesting gameplay or depth in return.
>What is it about RTWP exactly that filters morons?
I dont understand. How can RTWP filter morons when it is made FOR morons?
Either shed the gay pause ane commit to your actions or go tbs. Rtwp is for b***h made losers who couldnt into tabletop in the e
arly 2000s
When the action is complex, you can play it out in a nearly turn-based fashion, closely matching the underlying system. When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time. The advantages are painfully obvious.
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time. The advantages are painfully obvious.
No they're not because you're unironically advocating for the game to play itself for trash mob encounters.
As I said earlier, made for morons.
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time.
I'm not the guy you quoted, but come on, the refutation of this idea is simple. The concept being, if you force a turn-based design from the ground up, you can also eliminate filler boring encounters where "the action is simple" that ultimately add very little to the experience. I can't tell you how many fights by late SoA or ToB ended up with just my frontline mowing mook and mage after mook with 20 attacks per round, it became not very interesting.
I didn't mention trash mob "encounters", yet all three of you jumped to that. I said when the action was simple you could speed it up. You can have a well-designed fight involving a tricky fight and some generic enemies alongside him, but eventually you will have the upper hand in the fight and the rest of it is just clean-up. You don't need to take a turn-by-turn tactical approach when 80% of the enemies are dead and the remainders are out of spells and greatly wounded. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to see, when I know you've encountered it before if you play video games.
The player character can become extremely strong by the end of SoA or ToB if you do all the side content and make good use of spells. But that has to do with the amount of side content and the encounter design, which is orthogonal to the timing system in use. Encounter design wasn't very good back then for a lot of games. It's not like turn-based systems automatically have good encounters -- JRPGs and Fallout use turn-based combat and about 90%+ of encounters in many of those games are purely trash mobs or devoid of any tactical necessity to defeat.
Both boring and exciting encounters play out better in RTWP. Boring ones are a slog in turn-based, exciting battles allow you to cull repetition and speed up clean-up phases by switching to realtime (thereby heightening excitement even further).
>When the action is complex, you can play it out in a nearly turn-based fashion >at its best, it's basically turnbased
Impressive self-own, kudos.You've unironically proven that RTWP is an unquestionable downgrade from TBS
>I would rather have ONLY the option for turn-based, rather than turn-based WITH an option for real-time at appropriate moments
>Well since they're making a sequel to a series of games that did it well, they should just... do it that way again
Just to please the fans? Even if not going to be as good as turn based? >I don't see what 5e changes from 2e that encourages dropping RTWP
I'm not a dnd player, but I'm pretty sure that every class has a lot more options each turn now and you need to select reactions pretty often. >WC3 would be trivial and boring to play with pause
Didn't stop they are billions from having pause. >abysmal if turn-based
Combat could work. >It's the exact reason people complain about how slow and grindy random encounters are in JRPGs: so many obvious and repetitive orders that consume the player's time in real life for no interesting gameplay or depth in return.
Except larian games doesn't have filler fights. Every encounter is well designed and thought out.
You can select reactions in real-time. Just have it pause for a second and click the appropriate one, then it automatically goes back to real-time.
It's sort of a self-regulatory system. Whenever the "action becomes simple" it's because you're grossly overleveled or in massive advantage relative to the difficulty of the encounter or the remainder of it. Thus surely you can endure another casting animation of Fireball cleaning up the trash.
>. I said when the action was simple you could speed it up.
Such actions dont exist in TBS where every action is important and has consequences if you plan poorly
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, I'm sure having to press a button to confirm your attack and advance the turn order makes Goblin Runt 4123 infinitely more threatening to your Level 5 Fighter in full plate
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Goblin Runt 4123
An encounter with goblin runt 4123 is what people have been referring to trash mob encounters all this time. You're proving them right with every post you make
1 year ago
Anonymous
No, because trash mobs don't only exist in RTWP, and don't by necessarily exist in RTWP
that's a function of encounter design which is entirely separate
1 year ago
Anonymous
No tard, fhey do.
in a tbs Goblin runt 4123 would be the same level as the playable character in hogh tier equipment and in latge enpugh numbers to wipe you if you're not careful.
Again, trash mob encounters that the game plays itself through are exclusive to RTwP
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yes, in my history of playing turn-based games I have NEVER, not ONCE, encountered an easy, mindless enemy that wasn't worth the effort or time. Obviously encounter design isn't actually a thing that exists, all encounters are just magically difficult and strategically significant in games that wait for your input
1 year ago
Anonymous
Why yes, in games that arent jrpgs and have actual thought put into their encounters yes they are.
Jesus christ you're a moron.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>and have actual thought put into their encounters
You mean games with good encounter design have good encounter design??? What a brilliant observation you have made.
The only thing I see with RTwP is baiting the AI into bad decisions is far easier. Like using Haste to retreat from a Lich's room, but having summons stay and they will bait out bullshit where you can them come back in and wipe the floor with the Lich
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time. The advantages are painfully obvious.
No they're not because you're unironically advocating for the game to play itself for trash mob encounters.
As I said earlier, made for morons.
>No they're not because you're unironically advocating for the game to play itself for trash mob encounters.
Yes, mindlessly mashing a button a million times, waiting for tedious actions to resolve in sequence and having an infinite amount of time to respond to developments is MUCH more cerebral than having characters auto-hit in real time while you have to monitor their condition
Yes, it actually is. A game where even random mobs can wipe you if you get complacent and dont pay attention is more cerebral than a game that plays itself. Dunno what point you're trying to make here. If you dont like playing videogames, just say so.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>A game where even random mobs can wipe you if you get complacent and dont pay attention is more cerebral than a game that plays itself.
They are wiping you out for not paying attention in the same way in RTWP, in fact you have to pay MORE attention because the game isn't waiting for your input all the time > If you dont like playing videogames, just say so.
You people always go to this when you don't have an actual argument.
Streamlining/automating some functions isn't bad. Would your precious turn-based system be better if, instead of telling a character to attack every turn, you had to play a QWOP-like minigame to make your blade connect? In fact why even play an RPG with abstractions at all, just play Soul Calibur or something, because according to you you don't like playing games if you're not wanting to be involved in every little piece of minutiae
1 year ago
Anonymous
>You people
What do you mean, you people?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>They are wiping you out for not paying attention in the same way in RTWP,
No they're not >in fact you have to pay MORE attention because the game isn't waiting for your input all the time >isnt waiting for your input
Let me explain what RTwP stands for
Real time with Pause.
WITH PAUSE.
Waiting for your input is literally the name of the genre. Stop coping.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Let me explain what RTwP stands for >Real time with Pause. >WITH PAUSE.
YOU pause the game by pressing a button, you buffoon. YOU have to react to danger and initiate the pause yourself
As opposed to the game being paused by DEFAULT at the start of EVERY TURN
And yes, in RTWP games you can set criteria whereby the game will auto-pause, but it's still not waiting for your input BY DEFAULT like TBS
1 year ago
Anonymous
>YOU pause the game by pressing a button, you buffoon. YOU have to react to danger and initiate the pause yourself
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
In reality the player will just pause every 2 seconds regardless just to check whether everything is going to plan or something is off cooldown.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>In reality the player will just pause every 2 seconds regardless just to check whether everything is going to plan
Which is less cerebral than a game which will pause ITSELF every two seconds so you can check whether everything is going to plan or an ability is off cooldown because...?
1 year ago
Anonymous
because you cant pause or change actions while they're happening. IE decisionsin tbs have consequences whwreas in rtwp you pause every two seconds to take backsies and change positions if you think something is not going according to plan
1 year ago
Anonymous
>because you cant pause or change actions while they're happening. IE decisionsin tbs have consequences whwreas in rtwp you pause every two seconds to take backsies and change positions if you think something is not going according to plan
Is the argument that having the ability to observe the battlefield and adjust your strategy makes a game worse? That not being able to tell a character to stop before they do something moronic makes a game superior and more strategically engaging? Because we can take that to a logical extreme too - would having to commit to your actions three turns in advance, and being locked into them, be even more superior? Certainly you'd have to think very carefully, because your decisions would have dire consequences!
Wrong. Turn based games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can deliberate over their turns. Darkest Dungeon 2 for example made streamers ragequit over its difficulty even though the game allows you to take as much time as you want each turn.
>Turn based games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can deliberate over their turns.
RTWP games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can pause... and deliberate over their options.
And whether those encounters are well balanced is, amazingly, entirely a function of encounter design, which is a discipline that must be employed in either style of combat!
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wrong. Turn based games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can deliberate over their turns. Darkest Dungeon 2 for example made streamers ragequit over its difficulty even though the game allows you to take as much time as you want each turn.
1 year ago
Anonymous
more like Darkest Dungeon 2 is just a dogshit game
1 year ago
Anonymous
you're the same tier as a filtered halfwit streamer. No wonder you love rtwp
1 year ago
Anonymous
>got filtered
many such cases
yes yes you like dogshit, no need to confirm it for us
1 year ago
Anonymous
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?
1 year ago
Anonymous
probably hungry
DD2 is still a bad game you smarmy frick
1 year ago
Anonymous
>probably
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean it's after lunch time by now, I'd have eaten.
1 year ago
Anonymous
you fat frick
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you didn't have breakfast yesterday, and you didn't have breakfast today, how many breakfasts did you not have yesterday and today?
If 1 had the same value as 2, then what does 1 + 1 equal?
>ha ha I can't defend my game so I'll just try to pull the ol "non sequitur hypotheticals make autists angry" trick
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you hadn't read these posts, would you not be angry?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If James while John had had had had had had had, which would make a better impression on a teacher?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If you didn't have breakfast yesterday, and you didn't have breakfast today, how many breakfasts did you not have yesterday and today?
1 year ago
Anonymous
If 1 had the same value as 2, then what does 1 + 1 equal?
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time.
I'm not the guy you quoted, but come on, the refutation of this idea is simple. The concept being, if you force a turn-based design from the ground up, you can also eliminate filler boring encounters where "the action is simple" that ultimately add very little to the experience. I can't tell you how many fights by late SoA or ToB ended up with just my frontline mowing mook and mage after mook with 20 attacks per round, it became not very interesting.
>When the action is complex, you can play it out in a nearly turn-based fashion >at its best, it's basically turnbased
Impressive self-own, kudos.You've unironically proven that RTWP is an unquestionable downgrade from TBS
>Well since they're making a sequel to a series of games that did it well, they should just... do it that way again
Just to please the fans? Even if not going to be as good as turn based? >I don't see what 5e changes from 2e that encourages dropping RTWP
I'm not a dnd player, but I'm pretty sure that every class has a lot more options each turn now and you need to select reactions pretty often. >WC3 would be trivial and boring to play with pause
Didn't stop they are billions from having pause. >abysmal if turn-based
Combat could work. >It's the exact reason people complain about how slow and grindy random encounters are in JRPGs: so many obvious and repetitive orders that consume the player's time in real life for no interesting gameplay or depth in return.
Except larian games doesn't have filler fights. Every encounter is well designed and thought out.
>What is it about RTWP exactly that filters morons?
I dont understand. How can RTWP filter morons when it is made FOR morons?
Either shed the gay pause ane commit to your actions or go tbs. Rtwp is for b***h made losers who couldnt into tabletop in the e
arly 2000s
No, I'm not a obsessed poltard, I don't really care about this stuff. I'll play BG3 because I had a lot of fun playing previous larian rpgs with my bro.
These settings have a more or less coherent logical framework within, I don't expect adventurers to have Calvin Klein underwear for modesty when the player strips them like a pervert.
>a CRPG, but in third person view >the companions until now are boring or shit >turn based in third person >the voices are also kinda bad or shit
only the graphic is looking good until now, i wait and see some reviews and more youtube playthrough
I get the feeling the reason every location is close by to another is because some moron high up in there is absolutely fixated on the idea of a seamless world. When you load the game in EA you load the whole fricking Act 1 map (because you can teleport at ease), maybe even the Underdark included, hence it had to be simplified in scale.
Nothing went wrong except for the slow combat, improved but still mediocre Larian writing, and a few unhinged employees making stupid public comments. It's a step up from D:OS in nearly every way. The quest design and freedom is far better than 99.9% of modern RPGs. No gayshit unless you choose to flirt with a male party member, even then you can just send them away or kill them. No modern politics inserted into the fantasy world. Panders to straight male fantasy more than 99% of non-Japanese AAA games.
It's almost as if Larian if trying to write the most unlikeable characters they can.
I wonder how is their "let's make the companions are unappealing as possible" strategy going to work out. So far, only simps and twittergays like those companions.
I think the original setup is brilliant in bringing together characters who have nothing in common and would readily backstab each other in any other circumstances, but here are forced through clenched teeth to help each other because they'd all in the same tadpole situation. Do you think it would be a better story if they were all people joined by a common righteous cause?
Cool.
What does this have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn?
Also, Larian really likes their confrontational stories, don't they? Because they did the EXACT same thing in D:OS 2. And it was about as fun. I guess it's because they want to invoke PVP in their precious multiplayer mode.
>What does this have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn?
Do you realize you're just jumping from topic to topic and acting as if you meant to discuss that just mentioned point in the first place? We went from "every companion is unlikable" to "what does have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn"? Those are completely unrelated. If you want to complain there's no connection to BG2's storyline then don't go on a tangent.
And you seem to ignore the fact that they have done this gimmick already in D:OS 2. Remember how many people wanted to kill Sebille, because she's was a confrontational c**t for no reason and you had no interest in actually having her tag along? So Larian decided to double down on that, instead of trying to figure out why nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions.
You don't have to have every companion be a friendly and likable person who never questions your authority as the designated most important person and leader of the group. If anything it's almost necessary that there are tensions and disagreements otherwise that would be a pretty bland setup, at least to me.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They don't have to be friendly or "likable" to actually be likable. The Red Prince is a massive wienerhead but everyone likes him, or at least they don't hate him. In fact, the worst characters are the ones that either aren't antagonistic at all OR they're too antagonistic. Neither makes for a tolerable companion.
Also, when the intro to a compnion is something like *teleports behind you and holds a dagger to your throat* no matter what you do or who your character is, you're always gonna hate that character.
1 year ago
Anonymous
People liked Red Prince because his backstory actually has his bad behavior have consequence for him. He has an ego but he also has a sense of honor and actual noble traits of nobility. Plus we find out that his overt behavior is because he was born inherently passionate.
Rome doesn't have amazing writing but compared to its contemporaries it blows them the frick out. The Black person was annoying but at least the fact that he was willing to learn was great. In fact he probably has the single best line in the game.
Probably the best RPG in recent years despite being more combat focused.
[...] >nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions
Dafuq are you talking about? People hated Sebille, didn't give a shit about Loshe and the dwarf, were neutral on Ifan and in general people were very positive about Fane and especially Red Prince.
[...]
See above.
It had some cringy non-sense moments, I especially hated how on multiple occasion it pulled the "hey player you can totally romance and frick your companions haha" shit, but for the most part I enjoyed the main plot and the general lore. Plus its presentation is 10/10.
I liked Sebille and the Red Prince and Fane and played as Ifan. The only one I found insufferable was Lohse. Beast was cool but ultimately just a generic dwarf and his storyline never went anywhere. D:OS2 was great, much better than all the failed rtwp CRPGs released in the past decade.
Rome doesn't have amazing writing but compared to its contemporaries it blows them the frick out. The Black person was annoying but at least the fact that he was willing to learn was great. In fact he probably has the single best line in the game.
Probably the best RPG in recent years despite being more combat focused.
And you seem to ignore the fact that they have done this gimmick already in D:OS 2. Remember how many people wanted to kill Sebille, because she's was a confrontational c**t for no reason and you had no interest in actually having her tag along? So Larian decided to double down on that, instead of trying to figure out why nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions.
>nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions
Dafuq are you talking about? People hated Sebille, didn't give a shit about Loshe and the dwarf, were neutral on Ifan and in general people were very positive about Fane and especially Red Prince.
So, did you like the writing in DOS2, or you hated it in all those games and just visiting CRPG threads to shit on their writing?
See above.
It had some cringy non-sense moments, I especially hated how on multiple occasion it pulled the "hey player you can totally romance and frick your companions haha" shit, but for the most part I enjoyed the main plot and the general lore. Plus its presentation is 10/10.
If any game dev has 'reddit' writing it's Larian
Playing D:OS now is like going back to 10 year old memes and wondering how anybody could have possibly found them funny.
I remember the prison island ruins of a long dead sorcerer king being full of a bunch of neat shit and then the story grinding to a halt after escaping it and moving on to Act 2.
I understand the complaints about cringe writing in CRPGs but you guys have to admit that's what CRPG writing has ALWAYS been.
When's the last time you replayed BG1+2 and actually read through all the dialogue? Those games are chalk full of nonstop dad jokes and cringe party members dumping their traumatic backstories on you. Hell, I'd say the majority of NPCs in BG1 are nothing but shitty jokes.
Dwarves can be based. The hypercoservative grognard and the drunk moron are both popular archetypes.
Crazed gnome eccentrics are based.
Cute hafling women are based.
Although they made all the shortstacks horrifying abominations so we'll never have the cute hafling women.
Nothing. It's not even out yet.
i'd agree with you if there wasn't a fricking open beta/alpha whatever. there's absolutely grounds to judge the game, and it isn't looking very fricking good
>it isn't looking very fricking good
I disagree. It looks very promising so far.
it looks like DOS3, not like BG, which I have a problem with
good. DOS2 was better than BG2.
Yeah, I hate that this game based on DnD uses turn based combat like DnD. So fricking stupid.
I wish it was like BG1 and 2 again where the game played itself like a mobile game, where I could just auto attack every enemy in the game outside of the few boss fights where I'd have to prebuff before letting the game go back to auto battling.
Which is good because DO2 played more like DnD than old DnD games did. Obsession with taking turn based systems and trying to make them some ungodly real time system needs to die. The systems were not created for it and the devs end up doing more work to fit a square peg through a circular hole than the devs should. If you want to make an action oriented DnD that's fine but gameplay like Baldur's gate has ALWAYS been pretty shit. Devs should make gameplay systems that actually suite what they want to make, not create some bastardization because you feel enslaved to the TTRPG rules but not enough to actually accurately replicate them. That pathfinder game had the same issue.
>it looks like DOS3
Aaand I'm sold.
it doesn't, it's dnd based so the combat is guaranteed to be trash.
I don't want to play Baldurs Gate, I want to play Divinity Original Sin with a D&D license. Not like Baldurs Gate was any good in the first place, Neverwinter was better, and the franchise was dead until the new game.
Ganker Contrariangays as usual. Nothing to see here.
Frick off, homosexual, nobody wants to see you in te games people actually play.
actually its been alright. I killed off everyone when given the chance except for Shadowbawd
>i'd agree with you if there wasn't a fricking open beta/alpha whatever
Same thing with Divinity OS 2. They want as much feedback as possible to not plop out a turd like most devs.
Wotc being huge homosexuals and larian being libtards which resulted in gay shit and Black folk being in the alpha already.
This.
The first quest you encounter is literally a "MUH IMMIGRATION ACTUALLY GOOD" sub standard iq take. No nuance, no actual moral complexity.
just bog standard propaganda.
immigration is good actually. this has been an economic reality since the dawn of time
Nobody here is going to care about economics, they'll call you a JOOOO and ignore any actual real world requirements for a country to have immigration.
Okay. Why won't Israel accept the Black person refugees then?
> *crickets*
What a surprise.
Because they get subsidised by the larger economic entity that is the US. They have no need to grow economically why they're bolstered by the ever growing US. If the US were not subsidizing them with funding, they would need immigration. They aren't an economic-focused country but a defensive foothold for the US in the region.
So it's the joos after all?
If you want to boil down international geopolitical conflicts to a singular group rather than a broad spectrum of players all acting in their own interests to label them as "joos" then sure, but you would be incredibly silly to do so considering the fact that reality is boring. It's not a Tom Clancy novel.
>It's not a Tom Clancy novel.
It's even worse and you fricking moron knows it, yet everyone pretends it's not
It really isn't. 99.9% of world happenings are not coordinated by a string-pulling shadow organization. Most shit is because people are stupid, or people are motivated by some personal gain. I see people even boiling down train derailments to a shadow conspiracy but in reality, there's a clear and traceable connection between the train companies cutting corners and shifting staff around and changing regulations for safety. That's just one example.
>string-pulling shadow organization
Words like that are used to make conspiracies sound stupid but how comes that israelites are involved in so much shit (from communism to epstein, woke shit and big corporations trying to control and know everything about you and that's only the last 100 years). You don't really need "shadow organization", they know what's good for them and will even openly talk about it.
high in-group preference
higher average IQ, particularly verbal IQ
invulnerable holocaust shield
Don't forget the most important thing: the perfect host.
good point actually
It does though, ethiopians to be precise. Israel is one of the easiest countries for immigration, actually.
they do
they just chemically castrate them
Good for who?
israelites like that anon
>immigration is good actually
For the government maybe because more tax payers but for everyone else it's garbage. Immigrants get taken advantage of by employers and non immigrants get fricked out of jobs because why pay a native citizen person X amount when you can pay Peter Pajeet half. Don't even get me started on the fricking housing and apartments
fricking stupid 21st century problems leaking into writing because writers can't see past their own fricking timeline. idgaf pro or anti immigration. non of these are real problems in that universe
Everything is fine, you are just a raving shitposter buttblasted by Larian who has spent all week making anti BG3 threads and shitting up other on here and /vg/.
Shadowife. Simple as.
Her voice actress is doing a phenomenal job. A lesser performance would have just made her an irritating c**t, but here you can sort of guess there's more to here than just being an irritating c**t.
Yeah, it's pretty clear that it's just a veneer to hide her insecurity.
SEXO
The fact that it's not out yet.
I'm modding that moronic haircut out the fricking nanosecond the game gets released.
made for Big Variant Human wiener (mine).
is this game really full of Black folk and in your face libtard shit?
>in your face libtard shit?
You can be a non-binary dwarf
this is why games need an on/off button for libtard shit in the options menu
There's nothing stopping you from playing a white male human fighter
White genocidal devs
chuds seething
fixed that for you
Forced diversity would be the black guy as the very first default choice.
Yea, it should be asian then black.
> Redflag: The people defending BG3 use the word 'chud' unironically.
I haven't even tried the game yet and you're already on negative points.
Here's your elf bro
stuff
This is the first game I literally can't play due to writing
I just hit my very first wall with Wrath of the Righteous. I paid 12 bucks for it and I feel completely ripped off
how bad are we talking? A quest or two or just full on shite chars?
Kingmaker's overall plot is a bit thin, and WOTR has some aggravating characters.
Not him but same with pathfinder wotr
The writing just sucks, I can never get into reddit writing because it has no meat.
The female paladin is literally giga cringe, the characters they want to be 'cool' e.g Wenduag the spider b***h is also cringe. It's just all cringe.
"Wenduag spits on the floor, grinning strangely. "You felt it too, Lann? The bloodthirst, the soft whispers calling you to give in to violence? Finally paying attention, are you?"
Lann: Lann looks puzzled. "Uh... No. Not .. at all? I don't hear any whispers and feel no bloodthirst... Wendu, see a healer. I think you're just genuinely insane." Lann and the huntress glare at each other.
Just your typical homosexual in charge of writing
>"Wenduag spits on the floor, grinning strangely. "You felt it too, Lann? The bloodthirst, the soft whispers calling you to give in to violence? Finally paying attention, are you?"
>Lann: Lann looks puzzled. "Uh... No. Not .. at all? I don't hear any whispers and feel no bloodthirst... Wendu, see a healer. I think you're just genuinely insane.
This looks AI generated.
>"cringe giga reddit"
so this is what happens when a Ganker contrarian tries to be analytical instead of just saying "it's troony pozz"
Yeah, as the other anon said, the plot is very thin.The writing is very standard, unimaginative shit. The companions are almost totally uninteresting. Nok-Nok was decent. The gameplay itself is fine, but the writing couldn't hold me playing.
As a straight right wing white male with objectively good taste, I enjoyed Kingmaker. It's a solid RPG, the overall plot is very good, the setting is feyirly interesting, the turn based combat is pretty decent, and most of the companions are likeable. Call of the Wild is a fantastic mod that probably elevates the game very much - can't say anything about vanilla experience.
Didn't play WotR yet, so no opinion about it.
>straight right wing white male
>feyirly
Trust me, I put the joke about fey under a spoiler. I don't remember spoilers being turned off for Ganker, and I remember having this bug on /vg/ a few years ago.
What the frick are you doing in BG3 thread? Why the frick are people like you playing Larian games in general?
What the frick are you talking about Black person? I played DOS 2 and liked it. I played DOS 1 and didn't like and then I played Kingsmaker and it was so shit I quit. BG3 is shaping up to be pretty bad, somewhere between dos 1 and kingsmaker.
So, did you like the writing in DOS2, or you hated it in all those games and just visiting CRPG threads to shit on their writing?
For me it was Consortium. What a waste, it was an interesting idea.
For me, that game was Kingmaker.
the kingdom management is what put me off of Kingmaker more than the writing
this this this
god, the companions are so ultra dogshit i couldnt handle it
D:OS is way worse...couldn't get into the world or characters at all and had to drop it over the writing. I loved Dragon Age Origins though so I guess I have shit taste.
Nah, Dragon Age Origins runs circles around D:OS writing. It's not that DA:O writing is exeptional mind you, it's just that Larian is just that shit at writing stories. Always has been, since Divine Divinity. So I don't believe they somehow got better in time for BG3.
It is better than D:OS, but still bad. They removed most of their staple cringy humor and ‘whimsicalness’ which just exposes their failure to write anything captivating.
I can't remember a game that encourages that much interaction with your party members but where almost all of them are hot garbage. Dragon Age Inquisition comes close but it's not quite at this level.
yeh
This wouldn't be a problem if any companion was likeable.
But they are all shit
I still remember the cope during the earliest alpha versions when people claimed Larian had just pushed all the awful companions nobody would normally use out of the door first so they'd actually get some feedback on them. But then they never added any good ones and people got really quiet, lmao.
Them being the only characters in BOTH covers was such a red flag and should've made people suspicious. How you can have such a "diverse" game w so many races and clases and obly have a party of 6 unlikeable c**ts for the whole game is beyond me.
Larian always kind of sucked. They have some cool ideas but their project management is absolutely terrible. Their games end up barely held together at the seams, frayed, and all-too-often thin enough to see through upon closer inspection.
I remain unimpressed and I doubt they'll change their ways until the old guard leave.
>company that does early access actually delivers finished products
>poor project management
Do you just use words randomly?
I blame WotC, personally.
larian games kinda suck, i couldnt finish any of them.
also:
>turn based baldurs gate
lmao
>What went so fricking wrong bros??
Your prostitute of a mother did not aborth you.
Cheer up Lariandrone
giga based, OP is a cuck and should kill himself
the fricking irony of a BG3 fan calling someone else a cuck is astounding
>irony
lmao. Beamdog was established for the sole purpost of making BG and they lost BG3 to Larian and DOS2.
Sorry, chump. You got cucked hard. And you've been seething about it since the original announcement trailer in 2019
>y-you're the cuck!
your game has literal cuckoldry in it hahahaha explain this chump
someone else already did it for me
This guy is literally defending being a cuck, Lariantroons are something else
>Aborth
Not the gameplay because I've never seen any complaints about the turn based gameplay itself, just children mindlessly crying about politics and
>TURNBASED BAD BECAUSE.....BECAUSE IT JUST IS, OK?!?!
The game is a 10/10 masterpiece. The only thing that went wrong was your bastard father impregnating your prostitute of a mother and the dumb bawd did not abort your shitty fetus while she could.
Nothing, I played the first act, it's closest we had to a perfect rpg.
Unironically this. If they fix all the clipping and the animations with some more polish this might be the best cRPG in existance.
Reminder that the Githyanki female companion WILL cuck you and not apologize for it.
Only if you are dumb enough to want her in the first place.
So we can expect a lot of porn art for this game, i see.
She's a gith, they have communal hatcheries. People that treat her as if she is a human are all moronic. Giths are written to be as alien as possible while still being familiar.
>you see she's not human so it's okay for her to get a blacked tattoo and start a onlyfans
kys
Kek let me guess, you're the kind of moron who thinks his drow waifu would be loyal to your OC because he has a big dick, right?
post your mom NTR game homosexual
>humm actually getting cucked is good if it's lore accurate
>NO DONT BE FAITHFUL TO THE LORE THE LORE BAD NOW BECAUSE IT HURTS MY FEEFEES
And this is why nobody takes you seriously
WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months. If you're into cuckholding that's on you.
>WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months
and you have zero examples of that, when you should have many after 4 years in development.
I figured you learned your lesson after the female dwarf beards fiasco made you look like a complete idiot, but I guess not.
Quit fellating a company this hard, it might hurt your throat.
>I figured you learned your lesson after the female dwarf beards fiasco made you look like a complete idiot,
Fricking Don Quixote over here. I am but a humble messenger of Larian's vision.
>that quality seethe
lmao fricking knew it.
It's ok, Im sure you'll get an actual example of them butchering the lore to seethe about someday.
You want to talk about how they retconned SCAG an Volo's away with MToF? Or how Descent into Avernus counters PHB?
They are literally re-releasing the sourcebooks with retconned errata'd lore.
Yeah. Im sure you have proof of it to explain with too.
I don't need a proof. It's a well known thing for anyone who knows anything about D&D.
>I dont need roof because we just know!
lmao embarrassing. Just admit you dont have any
Here are your drows bro
>https://blizzardwatch.com/2021/12/15/dnd-drow-evil/
>Wizards of the Coast has published an errata
So why did you post a link to WoTC being morons? We're talking about Larian errata'ing lore, homosexual. Stay on point
No we're not lmao.
>WoTC couldn't give two fricks about the lore, they butcher it every 6 months. If you're into cuckholding that's on you.
Read homie READ.
Good job, didnt even notice that shift back then. Well done.
Now, where were we? Oh yes,
Eilistraee has Lovebinding rites, so... yes?
>Lovebinding rites
...and they STILL sleep around.
> Implying I would be touching that unloyal
space bug.
What did Larian mean by this?
Simple
>thots will be thots
i think they were explaining how romances had to be progressed through means other than giftbombing them like you could do in DA:O for instance.
but i'm not a paranoid polcel so i'm probably missing some subliminal context to get outraged over.
Well, so far, the romances are about as organic as anything coming from Larian. It runs on the D:OS2 system, where around one arbitrary point in time, all your companions want to jump your dick, because you've hit an arbitrary approval threshold with them by simply not being a dick to them.
I feel so realistic, bros.
>Well, so far, the romances are about as organic as anything coming from Larian.
don't care, i'm going to frick succubus prostitutes with no strings attached and you'll still be a weird, sad and lonely homosexual seething about how the game doesn't let you properly court NPC's
I'm fine with this as long as the option to subsequently murder her is there.
Also it needs to happen only with characters where it makes sense.
But I have little hope any of these two things will be the case.
>We don't want to make it into this romance system which is, 'I earned this person'
This is missing the point
Yes, you 'earn' a romantic companion in games, it's an unavoidable consequence of it being a game. You identify a piece of content you want to engage with, and you meet the criteria to access that content. Just like you 'earn' endings, story routes, quest resolutions - you're not 'owning' a person, you're earning story content.
The characters can still be written to have agency, which can't be said for making them 'romanceable by everybody'. THEN they exist as an object instead of a character. They're not allowed to have their own preferences, because then the pride flags might feel 'excluded' or 'invalidated' and launch into histrionics
I dunno, wanting to do something mildly different than every other WRPG when it comes to romance is commendable even if the execution ends up lacking
Trying something different is good, but I see this more as (admittedly mild) handwringing over 'problematic' elements, and being (mildly) hostile to their audience for daring to treat game content as something to be achieved
I might be attributing motives to them that they don't have but, from experience, I don't think so
Taking something that's inevitable and entirely natural in the gaming medium, overthinking it and declaring it a problematic element that needs to be 'fixed' for 'modern sensibilities' is what progressives do and it always makes their games worse
to me it seems more like they looked at Dragon Age Origins and the force-feeding gifts for affection points and thought "that's stupid"
They actually haven't presented a much better solution, so they can keep their opinion. They actually stole the OTHER DA:O mechanic that is about as broken as the gifts system if not more, meaning the approval system.
There's an element of that too, and like I said I might be unfairly attributing motivations to them, but the fact that they included that part about 'If you sleep with her, she sleeps with someone else the next night' tells me there's a progressive, player-hostile angle to it as well
like they specifically find it problematic that a player could potentially see her as a 'reward' for engaging with the system, despite that being RPG 101
I think they're specifically talking about Lae'zel who has no concept of monogamy, specifically as an example that the party members aren't asexual unless the PC shows an interest in them
That's not so bad I guess, I like characters actually having preferences and not just existing to be hit on
I guess that's the idea (or rather - a flimsy excuse) but Kevin Van Ord can't deliver. She doesn't sound like monogamy is an alien concept of her, she sounds like Kevin has a fetish. She literally threatens you with cucking, so she DOES have an idea of monogamy and actively uses it against you.
well she's also an butthole
>Lae'zel who has no concept of monogamy
Lae'zel is a strong independent modern woman CONFIRMED
She's written by a gay ex-Kotaku writer. What the frick did you expect?
I expect the prize to be worth the chase. You probably buy your steak pre-cut at the supermarket and imagine yourself as a seasoned hunter.
Back in my day, we called people like you simps.
I've been called worse, and terms that predate that so whatever.
The very fact that she understrands that sex=love in Faerun, means that she does have a concept of monogamy, so Kevin is full of shit.
Anon, I don't think anyone was implying she's too moronic or ignorant to understand that different cultures or people have different values. It just doesn't mean much to her, or her culture. You can be cognizant of a concept and reject it on a personal basis.
so she just walks into Faerun, gets into a relationship with someone, knows how romance works in their culture, goes to get gangbanged in a egg pit, and gets pissed at them when they get upset?
Just like real life!
You've embellished some details there. All she said is that she's not going to give you love.
Yes, she's a strong independent githyanki written by a gay ex-Kotaku writer.
It's YOUR fault for trying to get into a relationship with her despite it being her that keeps throwing herself at you.
tldr, the frog can kindly frick off with her bullshit.
she's a complete dickhead from the moment you meet her so I don't know why anyone would pursue her in the first place tbh
Because the game REALLY wants you to pursue her.
Also
>she's a complete dickhead
that's every companion.
You are not owed a lifelong committed relationship just because you had a casual one-night fling to celebrate a bloody battle, incel. What is wrong with you?
"Frick me or else" is probably a pretty poor way of signalling this is a casual no-strings-attached fling. She's the desperate one here, not me.
I'm not following. Clearly the signalling is that is is going to be casual no strings attached sex, the recipient being you or someone else. That's how these frogs roll, she's not false advertising.
Well, she's the one getting offended if you tell her to frick off with her advances. It's like the writer is getting pissed off on her behalf.
This makes sense. How could you pass up on the opportunity to please the greatest frog warrior the realms have seen in decades? Honestly, aren't you a little gay?
No, Kevin is.
Gaider is also a homosexual and he wrote a well-received romance in BG2. On this basis I have no issue with someone being a homosexual in itself.
that was before he got mind-raped into being gay
If your character is allowed to get upset about it and tell her to frick off or something, then the writing will be fine. If you're forced to be 'Oh woe is me, my heart lies in tatters but I could never cage such a free and beautiful creature as this!' then it's garbage
She is a Githyanki, It is their culture lorelet.
I believe that is totally the case, Kevin.
I'm slightly disappointed by the pattern of people not being able to recognize sarcasm in these threads
I think they're talking about how she fricks other men even if you're trying to romance her and goes "lol haha its my culture!" and you're supposed to go "thats okay sweetie!" or you're locked out of her romance route
>coop play throughs can break if a player makes different choices during a conversation
really? so if i say "i dont trust elves" and my friend says "i trust elves' then he ends up fighting with the elves and i end up with dwarfs and we are no longer playing the game together? lol
Nothing, I spent like 50 hours in the first month of early access and I'm eagerly awaiting the rest of the game.
You guys are simply racist ultra homosexuals, Xend was the best character in the D&D movie.
>D&D movie.
I hate Black folk and that movie was terrible.
Also
>no brown tomboy gf ;_;
>guys, PLEASE STOP making your characters white male warriors!
>we have so many other races and skin tones!
Like black female!
Wait, how do they know what chars players create? Is it online only? And the devs surveil the players? Maybe even remote frick with your game?
I pirated it as soon as the early access started. Online not needed.
Mindbreaking Ganker utterly.
I'm going to enjoy this game because I have a real gf and have zero interest in your gay virtual light novel shit, romances are cringe.
>BG3 is not a game made for cu-
This game is so fricking good and it's not even finished. GOTY material even in its current state.
>all the companions are just Larion D&D OCs
>so they're all Chaotic so they could roleplay them however they want
>if you don't pick a chaotic option all your companions just hate you lmao
>Most non-linear
>Dense with secrets and content
>Great combat encounter design
>Best looking
>Good tactical combat with actual positioning
>Vertical gameplay
>Map is super dense with content
>Cool loot with unique properties
>Old blizzard level cinematics
>God tier engine can handle gigantic maps in multiplayer with no loading times.
Yep, rpg kino time
>Map is super dense with content
You mean, they are doing that D:OS2 shit, where everything is five steps away from each other and there is no sense of scake whatseover?
You say that as if other CRPGs have massive scale.
That shit is for open world games.
At least other cRPGs *pretend* their worldbuilding makes sense. Unless you are Bethesda, that is.
Larian doesn't even bother with immersion. D:OS2 was gamey as all frick.
>gamey
Have you not seen BG3 EA? Crashed nautiloid, goblin fort, druid grove, underdark, witch swamp and a lot more shit all in the distance of a small stroll.
The way other games would handle it is to cut up the areas into separate instances and then put up a world map to pretend like there's scale while the amount of total play space remains the same. I don't think that's a better solution.
It's a way better solution, because at least IT'S A SOLUTION.
A solution to an imagined problem that improves nothing and just adds more loading screens.
>since it prevents the world from being a shitty disney themepark
It doesn't. At all. It's literally the exact fricking same, just cut up into pieces.
forgot second reply
>It doesn't. At all.
It does. By not having all the attractions in one place.
That's not better.
It is.
I had a feeling that explaining immersion and versimilitude to a Lariangay might be tad difficult, because Lariangays.
It prevents the game from having a believable world, because it requires you to shut down your brain and stop thinking about the writing. I didn't need to see where the De'Arnise lands were, I just assumed they were around the keep within the reach of those 24 hours that took me to move from the keep to Tradesmeet.
I do have questions as to how do people live in those BG3 lands (wherever the frick in Faerun they are) and why aren't they raided by drow and goblins 24/7, living so close to FRICKING UNDERDARK.
You're exaggerating a personal gripe. All fiction demands a willing suspension of disbelief. Concerning immersion, it's a difference of degrees of disbelief required and the difference between what BG3 has and what you propose is so small that I personally do not give a frick. Obsess over it if you want but I'd say that's a waste of time.
>I personally do not give a frick.
Well, of course YOU don't.
There is a difference in approach to versimilitude. Some writers try to help you suspend your disbelief, by trying to make their worlds immersive.
Other writers, like the ones at Larian and Bethesda don't even give a frick. And they can go frick a cactus, because that disrespectful to their audience.
But of YOU are fine with it...
>But of YOU are fine with it...
I am. As are most people. In fact I very much enjoy world continuity.
...what continuity? Larian's world continuity makes no sense.
the vast majority of old-gays like me who played the originals 20 years ago wont even bother to pirate it.
bg3 has nothing in common with the old games, besides the name.
>in the entirety of the last couple years, the only info we were given about BG3 was character creator "funnies" and coomer baiting
not even worth to pirate.
Good. I've wanted you homosexuals filtered out of the genre for a long time.
With you gone we can enjoy superior turn-based games without constant whining about muhrtwp.
I played all of the infinity engine games several times and I pre-ordered BG3 a long time ago. I see no problem with enjoying all of those games.
Let's not pretend like most of the NPC companions in BG1/2 weren't absolute garbage that got put on benchwarming duty the moment they joined.
>bg2 companions garbage
Ok you got a (You) out of me. XD
I didn't say they were bad characters (not the ones in BG2, at least), just that most of them were fricking useless mechanically. At least Larian's companions start at level 1, so I can give non-moronic builds and have them do something worthwhile past the opening zone.
>At least Larian's companions start at level 1, so I can give non-moronic builds
Haha. Good one.
I want to see you make good use of fricking SHADOWHEART with that stat distribution and that subclass.
The companions in BG3 way more moronicly designed than the ones in BG1/2.
her stats are comparable to the rest of the party, and while Trickery isn't GREAT she's still a fricking Cleric
>my argument is that BG2 companions somehow suck mechanically
>yes, but BG3 companions actually suck mechanically even more
>so what?
I'm a completely different anon, I'm just saying the BG3 companions don't suck mechanically (for 5E)
Yep.
Especially at the level range BG3 is expected to take place in, Cleric is super solid throughout and while 16 in Wisdom isn’t amazing, it’s not like it’s a huge deal with how the Cleric spell list is.
>All fiction demands a willing suspension of disbelief.
Some more than others.
BG3 a lot more than others.
Every square mile being a separate theme park next to each other requires a frickton of suspension of disbelief, at this point it's not even that, it's just turning your brain off.
>I don't think that's a better solution.
Yes it is, since it prevents the world from being a shitty disney themepark.
And yet, BG1/2 or even Fallout 1/2, figured the solution to this issue out 20 years ago, and you felt the sense of distance. Larian just shoves everything into one small map and call it a day. They can't even be bothered with day/night cycle, so everything feels like it happens in this small pocket plane where time stands still.
nothing
It was a scam and it worked
It's an alpha test that's sold as an 'early access' game at full price and morons bought it
Anyone who bought a larian product at this stage in the game and is complaining about wokeness is Black person-tier iq and deserves exactly what they got.
No refunds homosexuals
That's what early access is you moron. In what universe it's a scam.
>please sirs we will promise to release it this year please do the needful and buy
>sirs we did not redeem the release date this year but next year we promise
>sirs we kindly ask you do the needful and wait yet again for another year
Stop defending scams
Not once did Larian say that the early access was going to release and then the game would follow within the year. No amount of funny indian posting will change that fact.
they pay you in cuck coins, shilloid?
Neither Larian, nor its associated parent companies or subsidiaries have ever deposited a salary in my bank account.
Larian aren't even Indians, create Original Content to make your point instead, remember, racism is only okay if you are being racist correctly and towards the right race(s).
>please sirs we will promise to release it this year please do the needful and buy
Never said that. I was always just:
>Want to play early and help us with feedback? You can. Just like it was with Dos 1 and 2.
onions game
Have they added playable goblins yet? Or at least one my big-dick drow can frick?
>i followed a walkthrough on what conversation options i need to pick to romance the lizard girl
>what do you mean she'll leave me?! i followed the walkthrough!
Nothing. Played the act 1 early access several times over and had a lot of fun.
Most RPGs in the last decade have been quite poor. Almost all discussion is around Twitter screencaps of the writers being c**ts or sexless dweebs drooling over dolls.
She won
The anti racism of fantasy races thing has been pushed so fantasy game devs have a excuse to make your character's race not have unique dialogue lines.
Can frick a little onahole female goblin? If not don't care about the game
>Install game
>Spend 30 minutes creating a character
>Play for 10 minutes
>Realize its woke shit
>Uninstall
but enough about pathfinder!
That's every rpg these days. They should at least make the gameplay fun.
I am pretty anon is making a joke about that post getting spammed in Pathfinder threads
bg3 expedites this by proving its woke shit already during character creation
who cares about the companions anyways? I'm just going to mod Wyll into being white and frick the succubus wife
i wont buy it because:
>its turn based
>larian never wrote even 1 good sentence for their games
>What went so fricking wrong bros??
they made it turn based.
Only 5 companions. How many did BG2 have on release? Spiritual successor?
16.
17 with ToB
It's 5 in the EA, full game is going to have more.
Even BG1 had more, lel.
>30 minutes of ebin minsk with big hamster chungus boo for le ebin end fight
Can't wait for it.
And they had almost no dialog and did almost nothing.
>Even BG1 had more, lel.
That's not impressive considering most BG3 companions have more dialogue in the act 1 beta than BG1 companions had. It's not hard to fill a game with companions like that nor is it impressive. He was right to compare it to BG2 not 1.
chatgpt writes better dialogues than larian.
just because they shat out pages of "dialogue" doesnt mean anything.
I never said Larian were good writers. You didn't refute anything I actually said.
>its better because the writers slammed on their keyboards for 10 minutes instead of 1
okay, LariaBlack person
Whether or not you like the writing doesn't change that it takes time to write and implement. I never said it was better dipshit. I said comparing BG3 to BG2 makes more sense because QUANTITY of content related to companions is more similar. I never said anything about the quality. It's funny you think I like larian or something, I never said one positive thing about them. I even implied their level of work is unimpressive compared to BG2. All I said was that comparing BG1 companions is stupid because they were low on content compared to 2. That is a fact. A fact that others seem to understand because the guy who started this post chain chose to compare BG3 to 2, just as I would have, because it makes more sense. And when you do compare them, yes, BG3 looks unimpressive. I'm sorry that you think everyone who points out why you are moronic is somehow a "LarianBlack person".
i wasnt even going to "refute" anything, i only pointed out the larian writing is dogshit and chatgpt could do it better.
Here's her latest look.
Why does the "realistic" hair in recent video games looks like spaghetti?
That chin is dizgustan
that'll appeal to those with gilf kinks.
I liked Rogue from Cyberpunk 2077 so i'm all for hot GILFs but i don't whanna be evil.
Then BG3 is not for you. As per Swen, all of the companions are evil.
NTA, can just kill them and go custom party like in DOS2?
Yeah. Given how obnoxious they are, this will be a requirement for progressing forward.
Halsin and Karlach seem alright, and Wyll and Gale are definitely Neutral at the very least.
>its.. le turnbased
Just another day on Ganker full of morons seething about a game they've never played.
Just like the originals should've been but alas bioware was too incompetent.
everything shown about bg3 so far looks like shit.
also, its turn based, so GG no buy from me.
I too hate when my games based on turn-based table-top systems are turn-based. They should take that system and try to make it real time even if it leads to stupid mindless shit gameplay where you buff before every fight and then auto-attack. THAT'S what DnD is all about after all.
i spent several thousand hours in BG2 having fun with the combat, dialogues and companions.
>BG3 has none of that
aww, too bad.
no buy from me, then.
You had fun with a worse system. This speaks poorly of you, not BG3.
>no no no let me tell you what you really like and what is better
frick off : )
>shadow dragon fight in BG2, RTWP
>fast orchestral music blasting while your entire team is being flung across the fricking room by a roaring dragon in real time
>holy shit this is exciting and fun as frick
now lets make the same dragon fight, but now its turn based:
>loud fast orchestral music is blasting while everybody stands still, not doing anything, paralysed
>1 character makes a swing animation, and then goes back to being paralysed, everybody else just standing there, doing nothing
>i fall asleep for inhuman levels of boredom
>>1 character makes a swing animation, and then goes back to being paralysed
You mean like bg1 and 2 and its cosmetic attacks?
>zoomer is adhd
Again, no surprise there. Now wake up and play the game you little pansy
>Dragon uses AoE and knocks everyone back
>Now you have to move your teammates into position so you can land a hit on the dragon
>but you have to be careful because the dragon also has high initiative nd can pick you off if you get too close
>now plan a proper strategy to get into position as the dragon singles teammates out or fires AoEs
Meanwhile in RTwP
>Dragon fli-
>Pause
>Heh no see, you cant do that!
>Drag-
>pause
>see I cancelled my attack at the last second because I knew you were going to do that!
>Dr-
>Pause
>auto battle because Im too smart for this
I mean, if you're just gonna copypaste posts from the previous thread, two can play that game 😉
it appears you didnt even play BG2.
thats ok, i accept your concession.
>Nuh uh! You didnt play it!
Like how
If you have to make assumptions about the other guy because you dont have any arguments, it means you've lost, sweatie!
So it looks like the one conceeding, is you!
are you a noob or something? lmao this isnt how i played the shadow dragon fight at all, it was fun and dynamic.
and i played it like a thousand times, kek.
>nuh uh nuh uh
sounds like a skill issue, or a you problem.
And? "I had FUN" Cool? You gonna bother trying to explain why you think BG1 and 2 have good combat? Cause if you don't there's nothing else to be said. This is such a nothing post, why even bother responding to me if you're just going to go "No you wrong because I had FUN"? I'm not even against real time combat in a DnD game but there is no reason it should be like BG1 or 2 where they tried to turn a turn-based system into a real time system. That's just plainly unintelligent, as I said in another post in this thread, it's trying to fit a square peg through a circular hole. There's no reason to do it, it's just more work for an inferior system.
>why yes, i'm planning my next turn in BG3, how can you tell?
Cuz you save pictures of hunky half naked men
>i don't have any pictures of men on my computer, i am very secure of my heterosexuality
>trannoid randomly projecting
so this is the power of the woke left?
It's very likely that you're gay.
>hunky
Lol.
Nice Freudian slip, gayboy.
That's the joke
No jokes on my Ganker please.
Sillyposting unallowed.
Videogames are serious business.
>how can you tell?
you seem to be falling asleep from boredom.
I'm playing Siege of Dragonspear, thought about using the shaman goblin but she complains all the time, thought about using Corwinf the femsoldier but she's annoying so my party now is
Me paladin
Safana
Viconia
Minsc with longbows
Dynaheir with magic
Maybe I'll use the monk guy too
>Wokedur's Gape
>LariaBlack folk
>WOTC
horrible combination
i preordered but don't intend to play the first chapter cause my progress will get wiped anyway
>COMPUTER rpg
>uses tabletop dicefrickery, such as 2d4, saving throws, etc, instead of just numbers and percentages
How fun is the combat in this compared to Divinity: OS 1 and 2?
I heard they got rid of all the elemental interaction but is that true and if so are there other mechanics that make up for it?
I don't want to play the game/spoil myself too much until it is actually content complete.
Never played them.
Elemental interactions are in the game.
Minthara best girl.
Looks like I got tricked by shitposters again, thanks.
No it's more like they toned down the interactions. Its just DnD combat but with some of the things Larian likes to put in like those kinds of interactions.
Since it’s based on 5e I wouldn’t get your expectations too high, not even a bunch of horny Belgians can salvage that.
5e is one of the best iterations of DnD ever. Are you really going to try and say 3.5 is better or something? Why? Because you like caster classes and they are even more blatantly broken in older systems?
they've done ok
I'm going to play and if killing all the gays and trannies makes me evil with a bad ending, so be it. I won't abide degeneracy and the unnatural.
>and the unnatural.
So what do you think about the fact that many animals engage in homosexual sex acts? Those animals that have been influenced by humans in no way are "unnatural"? Sounds pretty moronic.
>being gay is ok because dogs frick each other in the ass
im not a dog.
maybe homosexuals think they're dogs?
its possible.
You used the argument that something is bad because it's unnatural, you fricking moron. He's mirroring your logic. You just owned yourself you dumb fricking moron.
Take your estrogen pills, troony.
Anon, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
I did have breakfast this morning, troony. Stupid question.
>I did have breakfast this morning, troony. Stupid question.
Yes, but how would you FEEL if you didn't have breakfast?
I don't fricking know you dumb fricking Black person. I did have breakfast. What is this moronic question? I'd probably feel like I didn't have breakfast. But I did have breakfast so I'm telling you that I feel like I had breakfast. Fricking stupid troony.
>he's sperging
I'm white so however dumb you think I am, it's still going to be 20 IQ points AT THE VERY LEAST above your moron brain.
>Black person cant understand hypothetical questions
Fricking pottery I tell you
You’re in a desert. You’re walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. You see a tortoise, anon. It’s crawling toward you…You reach down and flip the tortoise on its back, anon. The tortoise lays on his back, his belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, Leon, not without your help. But you’re not helping…. Why is that, anon?
My name isn't Leon so I don't know what the frick you're talking about, troony.
MY MOTHER?
Uh, could you repeat that? Why is there a tortoise out in the middle of the desert?
Explain the breakfast analogy, I'm moronic
> Someone makes a food analogy
> Disregard their opinion because its worthless
There you go.
>Black person beats someone up
>goes to court
>How would you feel if someone beat you up?
>I dont understand, nobody beat me up
>Yes but hypothetically if someone beat you up, how would you feel?
>but nobody beat me up though? I dont understand
A Black person recently went viral because he demonstrated profound lack of empathy and an.inability to underatand hypotheticals
>How would you feel if someone beat you up?
>>I dont understand, nobody beat me up
Link? Can't find this for shit
he's calling anon a moron (which they are)
Long ago some post claimed that analogies and the barest minimum "complex" hypotheticals would anger morons and the example hypothetical that morons wouldn't be able to engage with was
>How would you feel yesterday evening if you had not eaten breakfast or lunch?
For some reason it really upsets tards ans giga autists so it's used as a joke to essentially point out how fricking moronic somebody is.
Holy fricking shit it works.
Still don't get it.
He's a low IQ /misc/cel, don't bother. If he'd use that logic consistently he wouldn't be use computers or medicine because both of these don't exist in nature and artificial human inventions.
Animals also kill and eat eachother alive
Do you also endorse that behavior for humans? Let me guess, no? But its so natural anon animals do it. Now shut the frick up, gay.
>But its so natural anon animals do it
Animals dont get brain-destroying from cannibalism. Just stop, moron.
they get rabies you moronic trannoid
>rabies
>from cannibalism
Did you drop out of grade school?
>durr TYPO!! I WIN!!!
see
and seethe
>Animals dont get brain-destroying from cannibalism
>moron
Delicious irony
How embarrassing for you
*brain-destroying prions
Look up Kuru. Interesting stuff.
Kuru only happened in one single tribe for a few years, and that's because they ate a corpse of a person already suffering from CJD. It's not something inherent to cannibalism.
>many animals engage in homosexual sex acts?
How many? And how many animals have "gay culture"?
There aren't any gays or trannies in the game so far, so it doesn't sound like you'll have a lot of killing to do.
This is your brain on Ganker
there are no trannies in the game.
>bg3 announced
>yay! excited! pre-ordered!
>watch first gameplay clip
>its turn based
pre-order cancelled, BG2 reinstalled.
I once talked to a person that didn't like BG3 in person. They came across as extremely unintelligent. Low IQ subhuman really.
Is this game just filtering morons?
Bioware has never made a good game. Even in their prime they have always been a boring bland developer that everyone could best.
Larian is a pozzed shit studio, that can only make the same shit over and over and over again.
So you're telling me they are using a map and characters from a previous game, with a few tweaks, and calling it a different game? I'm pretty sure that is a couple of different game developers, not this one, but I could be wrong.
can you abuse dogs like you could in OS2? if so i will purchase
Yes, you can.
Just started a new playthrough, which neo-pronoun should I choose bros?
I'm excited because they referenced adding a Lone Wolf-esque perk to the game and I enjoyed using a single character in DOS2 to play through with using that perk. I'm interested to see if they really follow through with that promise and how it will be implemented.
playing a lone wolf in these games feels so pointless, you just get less dialogue, story, and missions.
I'm an autist and have replayed DOS2 like 17 times, most solo. I understand what you mean and I often make my first playthrough regular before I go through the game in an attempt to break the combat system and solo it.
Less inventory management, less inane companions and less shitty dialogue.
they probably have to clear mechanics with Hasbro/Wizard of the Coast before implementing.
Baldur's Gate has always had the solo Bhaalspawn metagaming runs. Lone Wolf would fit the ...what do you even call the player's character, the Squidhead? The Brainwormed? Ha ha the Illithid stuck a li'l babby mindeater in yo head better get that shit out
Nice thread with nice discussion of nice game.
>RTWP shills completely misdirected into discussing gay animals
haha how embarrassing
I made the original post trying to point out why the guy's use of the natural fallacy was stupid and I greatly regret doing so.
>make a shield dwarf barbarian
>toss goblins off clifs
>have a blast
Love this game! I don't remember the last time i had this much time playing a mele combatant class.
>posters:69
Schizo thread
>If people respond to eachother and have a conversation they are schizos
I agree anon everyone should just make low effort posts like yours and then never respond to a thread again. Holy shit you are dumb.
>you are only allowed to make one post per thread
Does the game reference the bhaalspawn from previous games at all, or do they act like they never happened?
Yes, it openly laughs about how bioware retconned Imoen to be bhaalspawn in bg2
who cares, Adrian Abdel got killed and Bhaal has returned.
In act 1? No
It does in some lore books but nothing plot relevantjavascript:;
I won't be buying it because it caters to political views opposite of mine.
Cheap woketard slops that was corny even in the year they first decided to pinch out this turd. Enjoy your gender neutral goblins or whatever the frick. That first level was shit, the rest isn't going to get better. 2/10. Good game assets absolutely squandered on what basically amounts to shit-tier fanfic. I regretted the drive space wasted on pirating this weak shit.
Do I play the early access now or wait for the full release?
Well if you get the early access you'll get about 20 plus hours of content to playthrough if you do everything possible. Even then you can try out multiple classes to get a feel for them, also once you get early access you'll automatically get the digital deluxe edition on release.
>20 plus hours
More like 35-40 hrs if you do all the quests. Plus even more for additional playthroughs with different classes etc. I've got around 160hrs so far.
True. I wonder how long the entire campaign will be once the full game comes out with all three acts?
Swen said 100hrs and 125hrs to do everything.
Oh no. That's almost Pathfinder length.
hopefully most of it is meaningful gameplay instead of long slog dungeons with terrible puzzles
wait, you aren’t missing much. i mean that as politely as possible.
Friendly reminder that Shadowheart is a special needs kid.
Why would they give her that hair.
How come your text has a background shadow?
I'm playing the latest version of the EA and i don't have that.
What are the chances that Shar being petty (vengeful) as usual if I fixed Shadowheart with my dick?
0% because Larian are total lorelets.
its going to be kino and definitely one of the better games of 2023. the real question is will larain make it something actually special like bg 1/2 that people still play and discuss 20 years later.
i doubt tbh, theres some really annoying shit like the amount of time it takes to get though conversations thanks to cameras having to swap back and forth+voice acting.
also the troony shit that just got added to EA.
>just
pretty sure you could give girl bodies great big bushy beards and a man voice at launch
yeah but who cares. that was up the player and only the player to do that and people still called you by your gender.
now who knows how many troony npcs are in later acts
Of course not. It's Larian, they can't write good stories to save their lives. None of their games were truly exceptional.
A FRICKING WHITE MALE
You guys are just so uncreative!
baldur's gate was always shit and torment and icewind dale were always way better
i'm glad they're making what is essentialy dos3 instead of another unplayable real time with autism garbage
>unplayable real time with pause autism garbage
>icewind dale, another combat heavy, real time with pause game, was way better
???
Why are they adding non binary shit to a fricking medieval world, what the frick went wrong with D&D
Except it's literally always been there in Faerun (e.g. Ed Greenwood's magical realm)
No white men allowed.
Has Act 1 changed significantly since first EA release? played back in 2020 and thought it was pretty boring
only fun part was the witch swamp
Significantly more polish but not much else, they did add Grymforge which is another area inside the Underdark
What is it about RTWP exactly that filters morons? Is it that they get overwhelmed by having to manage a party of 4-6 characters without the game reminding them to give repetitive orders, one at a time, every turn? Can they not handle monsters walking around at their own speeds at the same time, instead of having tile-to-tile movement highlighted in a non-intimidating way? Or is it the janky AD&D 2E rules that they can't figure out, but they don't want to admit that they're unable to grok them, so they blame the pausing instead?
RTWP is, literally, the best cRPG timing system ever developed. It was a stroke of genius and a fruitful marriage between the best elements of real-time and turn-based systems.
No one ever does it good. For some reason it's easier and more enjoyable to control multiple heroes in warcraft 3 even without pause.
Larian did turn based because it's better for dnd 5e and they know how to do it good.
Well since they're making a sequel to a series of games that did it well, they should just... do it that way again. I don't see what 5e changes from 2e that encourages dropping RTWP, let alone necessitating it.
Also, WC3 isn't a CRPG, it's an RTS where the ability to manage many simultaneous tasks at once is the core gameplay. WC3 would be trivial and boring to play with pause, and abysmal if turn-based.
But in a CRPG, it's a waste of the player's time to individually give attack actions against individual trash mobs during battle clean-up phases, or sending in all your creatures to attack one move-speed-distance at a time. It's the exact reason people complain about how slow and grindy random encounters are in JRPGs: so many obvious and repetitive orders that consume the player's time in real life for no interesting gameplay or depth in return.
When the action is complex, you can play it out in a nearly turn-based fashion, closely matching the underlying system. When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time. The advantages are painfully obvious.
you inadvertantly nailed the problem with RTWP, it necessitates the creation of meaningless trash mob fights to justify itself.
I didn't mention trash mob "encounters", yet all three of you jumped to that. I said when the action was simple you could speed it up. You can have a well-designed fight involving a tricky fight and some generic enemies alongside him, but eventually you will have the upper hand in the fight and the rest of it is just clean-up. You don't need to take a turn-by-turn tactical approach when 80% of the enemies are dead and the remainders are out of spells and greatly wounded. I don't understand why this is so hard for you to see, when I know you've encountered it before if you play video games.
The player character can become extremely strong by the end of SoA or ToB if you do all the side content and make good use of spells. But that has to do with the amount of side content and the encounter design, which is orthogonal to the timing system in use. Encounter design wasn't very good back then for a lot of games. It's not like turn-based systems automatically have good encounters -- JRPGs and Fallout use turn-based combat and about 90%+ of encounters in many of those games are purely trash mobs or devoid of any tactical necessity to defeat.
Both boring and exciting encounters play out better in RTWP. Boring ones are a slog in turn-based, exciting battles allow you to cull repetition and speed up clean-up phases by switching to realtime (thereby heightening excitement even further).
>I would rather have ONLY the option for turn-based, rather than turn-based WITH an option for real-time at appropriate moments
You can select reactions in real-time. Just have it pause for a second and click the appropriate one, then it automatically goes back to real-time.
>at appropriate moments
What are these appropriate moments, pray tell?
I'll tell you what they are. Trahs mob encounters. That dont exist in TBS.
fine, RTWP bloats otherwise interesting encounters with trash mobs to justify itself. Happy?
This is potentially a better criticism but it's not innate to the RTWP function, plenty of turn based games have trash mobs
It's sort of a self-regulatory system. Whenever the "action becomes simple" it's because you're grossly overleveled or in massive advantage relative to the difficulty of the encounter or the remainder of it. Thus surely you can endure another casting animation of Fireball cleaning up the trash.
>. I said when the action was simple you could speed it up.
Such actions dont exist in TBS where every action is important and has consequences if you plan poorly
Yes, I'm sure having to press a button to confirm your attack and advance the turn order makes Goblin Runt 4123 infinitely more threatening to your Level 5 Fighter in full plate
>Goblin Runt 4123
An encounter with goblin runt 4123 is what people have been referring to trash mob encounters all this time. You're proving them right with every post you make
No, because trash mobs don't only exist in RTWP, and don't by necessarily exist in RTWP
that's a function of encounter design which is entirely separate
No tard, fhey do.
in a tbs Goblin runt 4123 would be the same level as the playable character in hogh tier equipment and in latge enpugh numbers to wipe you if you're not careful.
Again, trash mob encounters that the game plays itself through are exclusive to RTwP
Yes, in my history of playing turn-based games I have NEVER, not ONCE, encountered an easy, mindless enemy that wasn't worth the effort or time. Obviously encounter design isn't actually a thing that exists, all encounters are just magically difficult and strategically significant in games that wait for your input
Why yes, in games that arent jrpgs and have actual thought put into their encounters yes they are.
Jesus christ you're a moron.
>and have actual thought put into their encounters
You mean games with good encounter design have good encounter design??? What a brilliant observation you have made.
The only thing I see with RTwP is baiting the AI into bad decisions is far easier. Like using Haste to retreat from a Lich's room, but having summons stay and they will bait out bullshit where you can them come back in and wipe the floor with the Lich
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time. The advantages are painfully obvious.
No they're not because you're unironically advocating for the game to play itself for trash mob encounters.
As I said earlier, made for morons.
>No they're not because you're unironically advocating for the game to play itself for trash mob encounters.
Yes, mindlessly mashing a button a million times, waiting for tedious actions to resolve in sequence and having an infinite amount of time to respond to developments is MUCH more cerebral than having characters auto-hit in real time while you have to monitor their condition
Yes, it actually is. A game where even random mobs can wipe you if you get complacent and dont pay attention is more cerebral than a game that plays itself. Dunno what point you're trying to make here. If you dont like playing videogames, just say so.
>A game where even random mobs can wipe you if you get complacent and dont pay attention is more cerebral than a game that plays itself.
They are wiping you out for not paying attention in the same way in RTWP, in fact you have to pay MORE attention because the game isn't waiting for your input all the time
> If you dont like playing videogames, just say so.
You people always go to this when you don't have an actual argument.
Streamlining/automating some functions isn't bad. Would your precious turn-based system be better if, instead of telling a character to attack every turn, you had to play a QWOP-like minigame to make your blade connect? In fact why even play an RPG with abstractions at all, just play Soul Calibur or something, because according to you you don't like playing games if you're not wanting to be involved in every little piece of minutiae
>You people
What do you mean, you people?
>They are wiping you out for not paying attention in the same way in RTWP,
No they're not
>in fact you have to pay MORE attention because the game isn't waiting for your input all the time
>isnt waiting for your input
Let me explain what RTwP stands for
Real time with Pause.
WITH PAUSE.
Waiting for your input is literally the name of the genre. Stop coping.
>Let me explain what RTwP stands for
>Real time with Pause.
>WITH PAUSE.
YOU pause the game by pressing a button, you buffoon. YOU have to react to danger and initiate the pause yourself
As opposed to the game being paused by DEFAULT at the start of EVERY TURN
And yes, in RTWP games you can set criteria whereby the game will auto-pause, but it's still not waiting for your input BY DEFAULT like TBS
>YOU pause the game by pressing a button, you buffoon. YOU have to react to danger and initiate the pause yourself
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
In reality the player will just pause every 2 seconds regardless just to check whether everything is going to plan or something is off cooldown.
>In reality the player will just pause every 2 seconds regardless just to check whether everything is going to plan
Which is less cerebral than a game which will pause ITSELF every two seconds so you can check whether everything is going to plan or an ability is off cooldown because...?
because you cant pause or change actions while they're happening. IE decisionsin tbs have consequences whwreas in rtwp you pause every two seconds to take backsies and change positions if you think something is not going according to plan
>because you cant pause or change actions while they're happening. IE decisionsin tbs have consequences whwreas in rtwp you pause every two seconds to take backsies and change positions if you think something is not going according to plan
Is the argument that having the ability to observe the battlefield and adjust your strategy makes a game worse? That not being able to tell a character to stop before they do something moronic makes a game superior and more strategically engaging? Because we can take that to a logical extreme too - would having to commit to your actions three turns in advance, and being locked into them, be even more superior? Certainly you'd have to think very carefully, because your decisions would have dire consequences!
>Turn based games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can deliberate over their turns.
RTWP games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can pause... and deliberate over their options.
And whether those encounters are well balanced is, amazingly, entirely a function of encounter design, which is a discipline that must be employed in either style of combat!
Wrong. Turn based games are specifically balanced around the idea that the player can deliberate over their turns. Darkest Dungeon 2 for example made streamers ragequit over its difficulty even though the game allows you to take as much time as you want each turn.
more like Darkest Dungeon 2 is just a dogshit game
you're the same tier as a filtered halfwit streamer. No wonder you love rtwp
yes yes you like dogshit, no need to confirm it for us
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast?
probably hungry
DD2 is still a bad game you smarmy frick
>probably
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
I mean it's after lunch time by now, I'd have eaten.
you fat frick
>ha ha I can't defend my game so I'll just try to pull the ol "non sequitur hypotheticals make autists angry" trick
If you hadn't read these posts, would you not be angry?
If James while John had had had had had had had, which would make a better impression on a teacher?
If you didn't have breakfast yesterday, and you didn't have breakfast today, how many breakfasts did you not have yesterday and today?
If 1 had the same value as 2, then what does 1 + 1 equal?
>got filtered
many such cases
>When the action is simple and not worth spending the time to give individual orders and watch monsters move one-at-a-time, you can let it play out in real-time.
I'm not the guy you quoted, but come on, the refutation of this idea is simple. The concept being, if you force a turn-based design from the ground up, you can also eliminate filler boring encounters where "the action is simple" that ultimately add very little to the experience. I can't tell you how many fights by late SoA or ToB ended up with just my frontline mowing mook and mage after mook with 20 attacks per round, it became not very interesting.
>When the action is complex, you can play it out in a nearly turn-based fashion
>at its best, it's basically turnbased
Impressive self-own, kudos.You've unironically proven that RTWP is an unquestionable downgrade from TBS
>Well since they're making a sequel to a series of games that did it well, they should just... do it that way again
Just to please the fans? Even if not going to be as good as turn based?
>I don't see what 5e changes from 2e that encourages dropping RTWP
I'm not a dnd player, but I'm pretty sure that every class has a lot more options each turn now and you need to select reactions pretty often.
>WC3 would be trivial and boring to play with pause
Didn't stop they are billions from having pause.
>abysmal if turn-based
Combat could work.
>It's the exact reason people complain about how slow and grindy random encounters are in JRPGs: so many obvious and repetitive orders that consume the player's time in real life for no interesting gameplay or depth in return.
Except larian games doesn't have filler fights. Every encounter is well designed and thought out.
>What is it about RTWP exactly that filters morons?
I dont understand. How can RTWP filter morons when it is made FOR morons?
Either shed the gay pause ane commit to your actions or go tbs. Rtwp is for b***h made losers who couldnt into tabletop in the e
arly 2000s
>early access for like 10 years
>troon shit
>bland boring characters and quest lines
It's DOA
>early access for like 10 years
That's good, they fixed most things people didn't like in Act one.
>troon shit
Haven't seen any. Have you played it?
So you slurp down any shit put in front of you as long as you think you align with it politically. How do the boots taste?
No, I'm not a obsessed poltard, I don't really care about this stuff. I'll play BG3 because I had a lot of fun playing previous larian rpgs with my bro.
FRICK I NEED TO BUY A NEW PC TO BE ABLE TO MATE BAE ZEL IN SILKY SMOOTH 30 FPS
You fricks are so easy to please.
I'll be honest with you hermanos, I'm only here for the coom kino
Aren't these underwear... at little anachronistic? Admittedly I don't know much about what they would look like for the setting but still.
Anachronistic to what? A DND setting?
These settings have a more or less coherent logical framework within, I don't expect adventurers to have Calvin Klein underwear for modesty when the player strips them like a pervert.
underwear is a relatively modern invention
>only act 1 will be polished because of EA
Vertical slice shit is so tiresome. E3 is dead stop doing this.
So how broken is it going to be on release even with like 5 years of early access?
I play Baldur's Gate 1 + 2 on console. It's fun. Thoughts?
I feel sorry for you being forced to endure the EE companions. Nobody deserves that fate.
>a CRPG, but in third person view
>the companions until now are boring or shit
>turn based in third person
>the voices are also kinda bad or shit
only the graphic is looking good until now, i wait and see some reviews and more youtube playthrough
We all know the real romance option is going to be Helia the werewolf.
How does the DnD community view furries? Surely you are outcasts there as well? You probably made Jaheira shapeshift before your love talks
I get the feeling the reason every location is close by to another is because some moron high up in there is absolutely fixated on the idea of a seamless world. When you load the game in EA you load the whole fricking Act 1 map (because you can teleport at ease), maybe even the Underdark included, hence it had to be simplified in scale.
There are still two female companions not in EA.
Helia the bard werewolf and a Tiefling Barbarian.
I fricking HATE tieflings so much bros.
The tiefling barbarian is yet another girlboss character, because Larian can only write those apparently.
And she looks like a horned ogre.
they updated her model from the black woman face
maybe she will that kind of woman after a good dicking she will seattle down
>she will seattle down
a fate worse than death, never go full seattle
She's still an obnoxious girlboss. With the most ridiculous backstory for a level 1 character.
if you want to get amazon pressed by a woman she's likely the best choice so i'm going to have to go with her
>With the most ridiculous backstory for a level 1 character
At this point it's clear everyone got reset down to 1 due to mind worm.
Its by the book for RPGs these days. Ifan in OS2 was Lucian's fricking bodyguard, how the frick is he level 1?
I want a qt goblin wife.
Nothing went wrong except for the slow combat, improved but still mediocre Larian writing, and a few unhinged employees making stupid public comments. It's a step up from D:OS in nearly every way. The quest design and freedom is far better than 99.9% of modern RPGs. No gayshit unless you choose to flirt with a male party member, even then you can just send them away or kill them. No modern politics inserted into the fantasy world. Panders to straight male fantasy more than 99% of non-Japanese AAA games.
>the only way to have a faithful partner in Baldurs Gate 3 is to frick the twink vampire elf
why god
Huh, Shadowcute doesn't really put out, seems like she'll be a good tradwife option for vanillagays once she gets her schizo issue sorted out
there have been some autistic meltdowns because she sleeps with Astarion if you don't romance her
girls gotta get dick from somewhere
It's almost as if Larian if trying to write the most unlikeable characters they can.
I wonder how is their "let's make the companions are unappealing as possible" strategy going to work out. So far, only simps and twittergays like those companions.
>It's almost as if
You have to go back
I think the original setup is brilliant in bringing together characters who have nothing in common and would readily backstab each other in any other circumstances, but here are forced through clenched teeth to help each other because they'd all in the same tadpole situation. Do you think it would be a better story if they were all people joined by a common righteous cause?
Cool.
What does this have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn?
Also, Larian really likes their confrontational stories, don't they? Because they did the EXACT same thing in D:OS 2. And it was about as fun. I guess it's because they want to invoke PVP in their precious multiplayer mode.
>What does this have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn?
Do you realize you're just jumping from topic to topic and acting as if you meant to discuss that just mentioned point in the first place? We went from "every companion is unlikable" to "what does have to do with you being a Bhaalspawn"? Those are completely unrelated. If you want to complain there's no connection to BG2's storyline then don't go on a tangent.
And you seem to ignore the fact that they have done this gimmick already in D:OS 2. Remember how many people wanted to kill Sebille, because she's was a confrontational c**t for no reason and you had no interest in actually having her tag along? So Larian decided to double down on that, instead of trying to figure out why nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions.
You don't have to have every companion be a friendly and likable person who never questions your authority as the designated most important person and leader of the group. If anything it's almost necessary that there are tensions and disagreements otherwise that would be a pretty bland setup, at least to me.
They don't have to be friendly or "likable" to actually be likable. The Red Prince is a massive wienerhead but everyone likes him, or at least they don't hate him. In fact, the worst characters are the ones that either aren't antagonistic at all OR they're too antagonistic. Neither makes for a tolerable companion.
Also, when the intro to a compnion is something like *teleports behind you and holds a dagger to your throat* no matter what you do or who your character is, you're always gonna hate that character.
People liked Red Prince because his backstory actually has his bad behavior have consequence for him. He has an ego but he also has a sense of honor and actual noble traits of nobility. Plus we find out that his overt behavior is because he was born inherently passionate.
I liked Sebille and the Red Prince and Fane and played as Ifan. The only one I found insufferable was Lohse. Beast was cool but ultimately just a generic dwarf and his storyline never went anywhere. D:OS2 was great, much better than all the failed rtwp CRPGs released in the past decade.
Based on the seething here and praise everywhere else I don't think anything went wrong at all
never played a bg game but liked dos1-2 didn't really like pathfinder is this a game i'm gonna like? i guess i don't really like rt /w pause
>800TL now
>was like 300TL few weeks ago
Bros...
behold, the best rpg companion to be ever created
The writing in that game is really decent. It was game of the year for me. Hell even the black companion was sympathetic.
Rome doesn't have amazing writing but compared to its contemporaries it blows them the frick out. The Black person was annoying but at least the fact that he was willing to learn was great. In fact he probably has the single best line in the game.
Probably the best RPG in recent years despite being more combat focused.
>nobody liked their D:OS 2 companions
Dafuq are you talking about? People hated Sebille, didn't give a shit about Loshe and the dwarf, were neutral on Ifan and in general people were very positive about Fane and especially Red Prince.
See above.
It had some cringy non-sense moments, I especially hated how on multiple occasion it pulled the "hey player you can totally romance and frick your companions haha" shit, but for the most part I enjoyed the main plot and the general lore. Plus its presentation is 10/10.
>2000 years in early access
>people only speak of shadowheart and laezel
they seriously havent introduced any other female party member in all this time?
The wounded tiefling is another.
There's Karlach, but she is currently not recruitable in early access.
I'm really curious if "writing" is bad or it's just RPGcodex and Ganker tier of "bad". Like Wrath. Pure chuu2 kino hated by those gays
You can literally smear shit on your face, you tell me.
It's D:OS 2 level minus the obnoxious humor. What do you remember about D:OS 2 story?
I didn't play any Larian game yet
If any game dev has 'reddit' writing it's Larian
Playing D:OS now is like going back to 10 year old memes and wondering how anybody could have possibly found them funny.
I remember the prison island ruins of a long dead sorcerer king being full of a bunch of neat shit and then the story grinding to a halt after escaping it and moving on to Act 2.
It's not any worse than most modern game writing, but a higher expectation is put in place for a game like this where the story is very important.
I understand the complaints about cringe writing in CRPGs but you guys have to admit that's what CRPG writing has ALWAYS been.
When's the last time you replayed BG1+2 and actually read through all the dialogue? Those games are chalk full of nonstop dad jokes and cringe party members dumping their traumatic backstories on you. Hell, I'd say the majority of NPCs in BG1 are nothing but shitty jokes.
where are the dwarves/gnome/halfling companions, this got to be the most boring rpg party i've ever seen yet
At the pub.
Deleted along with the rest of the races that no one ever plays as.
Dwarves can be based. The hypercoservative grognard and the drunk moron are both popular archetypes.
Crazed gnome eccentrics are based.
Cute hafling women are based.
Although they made all the shortstacks horrifying abominations so we'll never have the cute hafling women.
The mindflayers only tadpoled worthy creatures.