Baten Kaitos: Is the remaster fine or any huge issues?

Just reached this area and WTF is this? How can you frick up specifically one of THE iconic places like this?

Any "woke" dialogue changes?

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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like that you can set the fights at 200% speed and remove the info screen afterwards. It's basically hard mode and also makes the combat less slow, which was the original game's only real flaw later on

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Any "woke" dialogue changes?
    https://old.reddit.com/r/batenkaitos/comments/16ots65/collection_of_all_bugs_and_changes_bk1/
    For example mountain apple wine is mountain apple juice now, and beer is now wheat tea.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I know about the Yikes. Doesn't seem that bad to me since it's literally meant to be "yikes" and a joke

      Anything else besides that that's political?

      I also saw that "his/her" was changed to "their"

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >since it's literally meant to be "yikes" and a joke
        "Joke" meaning the localizer is offended by what the original says.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's easy to make yourself believe that and I get why but it could also simply mean that the localizers didn't want others to feel offended or believe the game actually promotes the idea of a wife who literally has no will of her own. 99% the people who get upset about that change probably don't even know what the Japanese original says

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the localizers didn't want others to feel offended or believe the game actually promotes the idea of a wife who literally has no will of her own.
            that's the entire fricking problem. not only is it not their call to begin with and betraying the original intent of the character by adding shit that was never there, but they chose to express it through the perspective of the main character, making him out to be a liberal feminist homosexual and unrelatable to the overwhelmingly straight male player demographic of these games.

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              >not their call to begin with
              Well, looks like it is
              > but they chose to express it through the perspective of the main character, making him out to be a liberal feminist homosexual and unrelatable to the overwhelmingly straight male player demographic of these games.
              I don't think it's meant to be Kalas talking, just narration

              I would understand you better if the title of the book wasn't actually meant to be "yikes". Given that and how idiots use everything for politics today, I'm pretty neutral on adding that word

              If there aren't more text changes, the bugs and stuff like in the OP screenshot are miles worse

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you're so moronic that you'd feel offended by this dialogue then you can find anything offending. The thing about outrage culture is that it will never stop escalating. We used to joke among ourselves and stay quiet when these snowflakes screech about sexualization and look where we are now.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        they changed something like a musical box description i think from "proposal" to "offering" for some moronic reason

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        maybe they should work the married with children canned laughter into funny scenes next so I know how to feel

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >tendies whine about an added word
      >they don't care that the 16:9 is literally broken

      https://i.imgur.com/Yp9MKMU.jpg

      Just reached this area and WTF is this? How can you frick up specifically one of THE iconic places like this?

      Any "woke" dialogue changes?

      ffs

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dunno why tnis guy follows Niche gamer even after they got busted for plagiarizing again.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >beer is now wheat tea
      i mean
      technically speaking

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      putting the yikes as a positive ffs

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        This form is troonyism is worse than the change itself. Though it's reddit so what do you expect

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    So the trend continues... Not a single good remake/remaster was ever made

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    i own the GC Baiten Katos but barely played it...
    Should i play the remaster or play Skies of Arcadia for the first time?
    both feature sky stuff so figured id ask

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      BK is definitely the more timeless and more unique game with the better pacing and accessibility, I'd say. No shitty random encounters and generic turn-based fights like in SoA, unique melancholic OST and atmosphere, tight level design and neat little puzzles and interactions everywhere

      Sega games also got overrated like crazy back in the day for whatever dubious reasons, which might be another factor

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Huh, interesting.. i expected the complete opposite answer lol.
        I mean SoA is very highly rated but Baiten Katos is just forgotten and average as far as general consensus goes. Thanks for your input anon

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it's quite underappreciated. Only the beautiful backgrounds by Honne (Chrono Cross) probably are no longer as impressive as they used to be, but otherwise I'd still call it a little masterpiece that nonchalantly fixed so many issues most JRPGs still suffered from back then while offering a unique world and a great spin on turn-based combat with cards that are always satisfying to collect and draw

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Only the beautiful backgrounds by Honne (Chrono Cross)

            I will never forgive Square for shitting out such an underwhelming CC remaster.
            Imagine a Chrono Cross remake man... just imagine. I'd give my left nut for a proper 3d remake , even if it was "just" like the work they did with Trials of Mana

            • 8 months ago
              Anonymous

              Why though? So far all video game remakes suck, like it's a law of nature or something. Money grabbers will never care as much about a game as the people who originally created it from scratch

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                while what you say IS true to some extent (RE4 remake was nice enough), I just wanna see my beloved Chrono cross in full 3d with updated characters and stuff.. imagine sailing through the ocean in a full scale (kinda like how FF7 rebirth is doing with scale).

                A man can dream right. The only thing that would piss me off is if they change the music, cause music in CC is one of the most iconic things in that game

              • 8 months ago
                Anonymous

                You should hope they never remake it if you really love it so much

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Any "woke" dialogue changes?
    Only in English localisation

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      this true? lol

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Any other Europe language have normal translation

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I wouldn't go as far and say the English translation isn't normal just because they added one yikes

          Are things like apple wine still unchanged in the other translations as well, though?

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just emulate the originals. They run perfect on Dolphin and unlike the demaster they have English VA. The atrocious English voice acting was a large part of their charm.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The atrocious English voice acting was a large part of their charm.
      The voice acting itself wasn't atrocious at all. It (just like the Jap VA) just had the weird echoing...which could have been intentional (you're basically in the game but in a different dimension) and indeed part of its charm

      Origins has 10/10 voice acting

      This is atrocious:

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The atrocious English voice acting was a large part of their charm.
      The voice acting itself wasn't atrocious at all. It (just like the Jap VA) just had the weird echoing...which could have been intentional (you're basically in the game but in a different dimension) and indeed part of its charm

      Origins has 10/10 voice acting

      This is atrocious:

      The dub getting removed is a good thing

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >that music
    >that old-fashioned art
    >that mix between fairy tale and baroquism in the character and costume design
    Definitely in the top 20 most underrated games. It somehow IQ filtered the average gaymer.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous
    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yep, in 99% of JRPGs you play some metrosexuals in cool slim fit clothes

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >is the remaster fine
    the original was shit, so the remake is the same and probably worse due to
    >Current Year

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >the original was shit
      99% of JRPGs are shit that aggressively waste your time with random encounters, turn-based combat and next to zero level interactivity. Baten Kaitos was one of the few exceptions, found a perfect solution for most of these issues and is neatly paced with an amazing world throughout

      Pretty sure most people who didn't get warm with it are just morons who need bombastic cutscenes and Square Enix trannies

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >99% of JRPGs are shit that aggressively waste your time with random encounters, turn-based combat and next to zero level interactivity
        Not to mention lots of filler dialogues and backtracking because they have a weird obsession with trying to be as long as possible

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >play a jrpg
          >get to an area where theres lots of blocked areas
          >pretty obvious you can go there later but need something to unlock it
          >have to go through long stretches of the area to get something then backtrack all the way to the start where the unlocked stuff was at

          its funny how that shit didnt bother me as a kid but now that im older, i just see it as bad game design and a waste of time.
          and i know people will actually defend it saying dumb shit like "i need muh exploration!" but no, its not exploration. youre doing fricking nothing. kinda like how it is in the tales webm you posted.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I luckily don't know too many examples like that but yeah, JRPGs love wasting your time one way or the other

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Does someone know what the New Game+ does exactly? I assume you can keep all your cards. Does it make enemies tougher, though?

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Dolphin 4:3 gang gang

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Yp9MKMU.jpg

      Just reached this area and WTF is this? How can you frick up specifically one of THE iconic places like this?

      Any "woke" dialogue changes?

      Still not sure if I like his new cape texture. Looks a bit too flat in the original but a bit too wavy in the remaster.

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    wait, the remaster came out already? wtf
    i feel like i havent heard anything about this game other than its initial launch announcement

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same here.. until i saw this thread, and i was like wtf?? its been out for WEEKS?? lol

      zero hype, zero /v shill threads, nothing. This remaster wont sell at all

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >woke
    moron detected. Gb2/pol/

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Shut the frick up wokecel

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