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>being shit long long time in development
>releasing without TDM
nothing will ever be better than swat 4 pistols only TDM.
it was only in development for like 2, 3 years tops. Not that long really nowadays. That said I still don't like it.
first dev footage was from 2017 or 18. in that time they can't even make a pvp mode. people want to play cops vs robbers and they fail to deliver
Are you fricking moronic? When I first started following ron I talked about it with an entire group of friends that I don't even talk to anymore, and I haven't talked to those guys in 5 years. RON was in development for so long that most people following it thought it was just vapor ware, were talking like 5 years before they even released the closed beta and early access. Idiot.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. So stop acting like you do.
The first closed betas were PVP and they were also complete shit. I am glad they dropped PVP.
Trailers are only in Practice Mode right now supposedly. I see them all the time.
It's better than SWAT 4, but having it more like SWAT 3 would be nice.
this is perfectly fine
skill issue of the game's programmers
They know because unmodded game gives the alerted suspects 360 degree fov among other things.
This can be changed but it's still very moronic obviously.
Dont enemies detect sound?
yes
Sure.
But bullets don't take straight paths through solid matter. That isn't how ballistics works.
Bro, he isn't vaguely spraying where he hears something, he's straight up aimbotting through walls
They can hear just about everything you do, and if they see any part of you they will try to shoot through the wall where they think you might be. It's the worst on the datacenter, and post office levels.
Imagine paying for this trash
are you shooting him with foam bullets? whats going on here?
it's pepper bullets yeah.
Not that it makes a difference since real p90 bullets can't pierce beanies apparently
>He doesn't know about bullet trajectory
Always center mass you homosexual. You wouldn't make it a day in Law Enforcement.
Blood literally pours out of the dudes head and he doesn't die
Yeah, bullet trajectory made what you think is a dead-on headshot into a slight nick of the scalp.
nice cope moron
Keep being a fricking dumbass if you really want to, if you keep ignoring bullet trajectory and localized damage then you're just gonna keep losing.
Mind if I graze your skull with a bullet irl and see if you can still fight back?
>keeps pushing
>walks right by a surrendered but not secured suspect
>fires and immediately looks away
>doesn't make sure threat is down
forgot to talk about him being a full auto shitter
yea well i told them to clear a room, they flashed the terrorist and he pulls out a pistol, so the AI just beanbagged his fricking head.
>the AI just beanbagged his fricking head.
Based as frick.
Did they change it in 1.0 so that you need to nonlethal EVERY suspect for S rank? I remember in Early Access I gassed 2 of the african american gentlemen in the gas station but the last one flanked and drew a gun on me and I shot him in the abdomen with a shotgun. Still got S rank.
Yea S ranks are non lethal only, i had a NT run that the same thing happened and i got max score but A+
Damn that's brutal. Gotta be fkn impossible on the larger maps unless you are a full multiplayer squad.
I'm only missing 5 maps to S rank solo them, the last 5 to be precise, it's tricky but you just gotta play it slow and bring wedges, they're goated since it prevents flanking, also the AI traits are sometimes useful.
My S runs time are like twice as long for the big maps, nearly took half an hour on Sins of the father
oh yeah frick that one, pretty much boils down to enemy position rng
Embarrassing post. Not only is the AI in "Fall in" order and therefore will automatically secure all suspects but stopping to secure someone while another threat just ran inside a room right in the front of the surrendered guy is beyond moronic.
There's no full auto on this gun, moronic shitter.
>keeps pushing
>walks right by a surrendered but not secured suspect
There is a team of 4 behind him, ding dong
And still died cause your trash ding dong
well that's what I'd do if I saw hostiles coming up the corridor, magdump through a wall
This is what it feels like playing any FPS deathmatch for me. You hit them a thousand times and they don't flinch, and then kill you with a single shot.
its so funny how the suspect stops and turns on a fricking dime as if he has no weight meanwhile we cant even sprint
That bind for holstering your weapon down, IS the sprint bind. The game is just shit at communicating this to the player, it even suggests it's mainly "for roleplay" without mentioning the speed boost.
thats not a fricking sprint, i know the lower weapon makes you move fastwr but its still more akin to a fast walk. meanwhile the enemy can full on sprint and take corners with ease and youre stuck waddling around the map. its laughable.
Where the frick is your squad. You really think you'll just go in there with a paintball gun and clear the map solo?
If you want S ranks, yes. The swat AI is dogshit in comparison to enemy AI. Not to mention swat AI can still pull out new mags for their sidearm and lethal an enemy regardless of being an LTL loadout.
Literally behind him, you can see the falling in orders on the screen, moron.
You literally need to do that in order to actually perfect the maps by the game's own omission, casual.
Using the beanbag shotgun and telling my team to frick off is the only way to get an S rank, and it is so unfun. Dogshit designed game.
I wonder if these "tactical" games will ever get how modern sights like red dot and holo work
IRL you dont see a biggass housing covering 50% of your view because you keep both your eyes open, so you end up seeing a bright red dot, and a bit of black haze below it lol. Also the rifle is pressed against your shoulder and it doesnt obstruct so much either
Kinda funny to see a milsim type game getting it so wrong
I don't know shit about the subject, but I would imagine it's honestly just a really difficult effect to pull off, so they just never bother.
It's kind of funny though, because back when games had 2D irons it was definitely possible to make some parts of the image transparent so your screen wasn't just completely blocked by a PNG of your M16's sights
What game is this? Kinda looks like Operation FLashpoint
>What game is this? Kinda looks like Operation FLashpoint
It is OFP, I think with the FFUR mod.
Lol wow your trash
>hurr let me just turn my back on a suspect who may or not be armed still
Deserved
>your
he has 10k hours in cs 1.6
By an ad smit7y
Damn, what a high bar...
Considering how often swat 4 gets praised around here...
Did they make the game harder in 1.0?
I could solo most levels like Brixley Talent Time in Early Access by just rushing in with the AK and shooting every suspect. I just made sure to yell for compliance in the lobby so that I didn't get any penalties. I barely took any damage, only if I got unlucky and a suspect got the drop on me, but I could still tank it and frick him up. I haven't played since it became 1.0
Solo without AI*
yea they made the AI dumber, gave them better aim and called it a day. lazy hack devs.
The AI needs a complete reprogramming, 50% of the time they're so braindead they can't even move and the other 50% they're 360 noscoping you through a single pixel 4 rooms and a hallway across the street away
>tactical shooters back then: kill neo-Nazis and fashies
>tactical shooters now: arrest a video game streamer
Yeah, because after society teetering on the brink of total collapse due to commies and immigrants most people are waking up and realizing ol' uncle Adolf was right.
Yeah. Frick commies. I always work at least two hours of unpaid overtime and have given up all my paid days off along with employee healthcare. Those are just communist lies.
What's good for the companies is good for America, if you can't get that into your liberal head then you're a lost cause my friend. If we had any sense at all as a nation we would install either Trump or Musk as DE FACTO leader of our great country.
go throw more seeds into the plowed soil, comrade
its so bad that your local gas store robber is immune to flashes and non lethal and is more than willing to execute swat team members like theyre navy seal six. all the bad guys in the game act the exact same its boring. no life or personality to the enemies, just different loadouts. cant believe they didnt bother fixing up one half of the game but look isnt it so heckin awesome the swat teammates can stack up now?
S ranked Sins of the farter, felt good, such a smooth run
Dogshit is better than swat 4. Don't play pedophilia. Don't spam it. Don't even think of it.
>Last suspect before S rank
>AI hits a beanbag headshot
Every fricking time bros...
Beanbags can headshot from afar without any problems, it's just up close they become lethal. Same as the breaching shotgun being lethal up close.
ive seen multiple videos where the tweaked out crackhead takes multiple seconds to respond to a breach meanwhile every crackhead in this game was trained by jocko willink with the reaction time of a korean starcraft player
Yeah, this is a game for PROFESSIONALS, buddy. Can't stand the heat? Get the frick outta the kitchen, git gud.
Someone said the story is true detective kino, this true?
No.
It does have nods to it with certain missions but the whole story no.
No the only interesting part about the story is that it's set in the alternative timeline US
>Play while Early Access
>Solo rush Brixley Talent Time with AK
>Skillfully dispatch all the armed goons and Brixley, not wounding a single civilian, not getting a single penalty
>Report all suspects and civilians, collect all evidence
>Basically full score in less than 7 minutes.
>Get B rank.
WHAT THE FRICK DUDE? Stopped playing since then.
>disregards mission objectives
>Kills every suspect
>Complains about rank
That's crazy.
Except I cleared every objective and there's literally nothing wrong with killing suspects unless it is unauthorized use of force/lethal force.
>you get 5 points for reporting incapacitated/killed targets, compared to 35 from having them alive
>Brixley needs to be either incap or alive for the 500 points
>you also are solo which probably deducts the officers alive bonus to just one (not sure myself)
Losing over 90% of the points you gain per suspect is nothing wrong apparently, stay going guns blazing and going for high ranks you'll get there eventually somehow
>you get 5 points for reporting incapacitated/killed targets, compared to 35 from having them alive
Should count towards S rank only. Not affect overall score.
>Brixley needs to be either incap or alive for the 500 points
If he pulls a gun he dies same as the others.
>you also are solo which probably deducts the officers alive bonus to just one (not sure myself)
Just told AI to wait in spawn, got all officers alive.
>kills the assailants
you're a PEACE officer, not a soldier/ executioner. you jail them, not kill them.
>Complete mission without a single penalty to score
>Does not get A+
>"Trust me bro it's supposed to be that way"
Completing all objectives with no penalties with a good time should be max score, anything above that counts towards S rank.
no penalties, but you're also not maximizing score gain, what's so hard to understand?
It's an illogical system.
"You did not get a single question wrong on this test, you got a B as your grade lol"
Would never work in real life.
>Teach, I've answered every question, I didn't miss a single one!
Yes, but your answers were wrong. Your job is being a police officer, not a SEAL raiding Bin Laden.
A rank is awarded for those skilled enough to take at least a few alive. S rank is awarded to those who took everybody alive.
If the answers were wrong you would be penalized.
Forgot to mention: treat it like a soft objective and not a hard objective written on your tablet. You get points for completing the soft objective, even tho it isn't written in your shitty tablet.
we're reviving this?
I'm gonna find you and frick you in the ass. Mark my words.
No, just me.
So you want to see "-15 for not taking a suspect alive" x10?
There's a difference between penalty and not getting max score. A penalty is removing points from your accumulated total. Not arresting a suspect just simply doesn't add as much to your total.
A penalty is you being an active moron (shoot teammates, execute surrendered people)
Not getting max score is you being a passive moron (kill everyone)
If you want an S or A rank for killing everyone, arresting suspects would have no reason to exist.
At this point I'll follow and just not respond anymore.
>If you want an S or A rank for killing everyone, arresting suspects would have no reason to exist.
A rank for no mistakes/penalties. S rank for perfectly getting everyone alive.
Police officer here: you are wrong, we get promotions based on kill count.
I killed 7 crackheads in one night and got promoted to king of the FBI
Not the same, in the ~~*FBI*~~ you get promoted for creating crackheads and making up white supremacy attacks.
I thought that was the CIA
They're the same thing, they just made two so they can embezzle twice as much money.
Honestly the most based take I have ever heard in my entire life.
Wrong, you get way better rewards for keeping them alive. That's why so many cops farm exp by beating their wives.
This, even if I only actually arrested 1 or 2 guys that's usually enough to bump me up to an A or A+ if I do everything else. I haven't gotten an S yet, those feel like they might be a bit more random since it depends a lot on how the SWAT AI and suspect AI interact.
>muh objectives
and one of those objectives is capturing the suspect alive for trial. you are playing a game where you play a police officer and youre are complaining because you play it like a special forces sim.
>Brixley pulls gun
>Kill him
>No penalties, objective still counts as cleared
Stockholm syndrome is one hell of a drug boy, I promise the developers won't go down on their knees and suck your wiener for defending their game.
>he doesn't understand rules of engagement, thinks about gay shit
if you follow those rules, you get even more points.
What the frick? Are you fricking stupid? Obviously I did follow the ROE or I would have gotten penalties, wouldn't I? The whole point is that you have done literally nothing wrong. You are not penalized in any way.
>you aren't penalized in any way for it!
>gets more points for arresting a living suspect rather than killing them
pick one.
That's not a penalty, moron. Going above and beyond should count towards S rank only.
>it's not a penalty!
you failed to achieve a certain objective and didn't get the points. what do you call that, if not a penalty?
>Yo dude you answered every question right, I'll give you a B on this test
The discussion should have been over when I used this analogy. Fricking arguing with you morons is like having to convince a toddler about something trivial like the sky being blue.
>right answer, low score
you didn't show your work, nor did you follow the instructions. why should they pass you for incomplete work, anon?
>you didn't show your work, nor did you follow the instructions.
Except I did, I reported every suspect and civilian, collected all the evidence, and I followed the ROE. What the frick is it that you don't understand? I did everything right. Anything above that should count towards S rank only. Are you legitimately autistic or just too prideful to give in?
this is just going in circles with us telling the missions are based around you arresting as many people as you can while you just want the same rewards for killing everyone, there's no winning with such entitled morons like you.
it's the Ganker cycle. he knows why, but we are all bored and are arguing for fun.
>but I did all the objectives
>kills the suspects
pick one.
Killing the suspects fulfils the objectives.
Are you moronic or something? Boot up the game right now and kill every suspect on The Spider without getting any penalties, you'll see I am right.
>killing them is the objective
>fails the objective if you kill the suspect on 28 mb per seconds
hmm. weird.
>Brings up an entirely unrelated mission with different objectives
>"yeah this will prove I am right"
kys moron.
A is full score, S is above. I can understand how it's confusing to you, seeing as you probably never finished school. Kys moron.
>All suspects neutralized
>Not a single civilian hurt
>All evidence accounted for
>No officers dead
>"sloppy"
Kys moron.
>A is full score
Right so how can you score "fully" if you keep doing low score things like killing suspects.
>can't prove his point, tried using evidence
>absolutely pissed his point was negated by the rest of the game
so, do we use the game as a reference point or not? pick one.
>A point unrelated to the real point being made disproves the real point
You are a special kind of fricking stupid aren't you?
>"You can't make grape ice cream!"
>"Uh but strawberry icecream exists, duh"
Kys moron.
>calls others moron
>has been arguing he should get more points for killing suspects in a police game
glass houses and such...
More strawmen. Stupid fricking cucks like you make me lose faith in humanity. Live in your fricking fantasy world where police officers should all be robocop and let suspects shoot them without ever firing back.
>he loses faith in humanity over a video game mechanic
lol.
No, your inability to fricking stop thinking like a child stuck in a fricking make-believe disney world where you are so fricking naivé you think that killing someone armed and dangerous is evil, lmao.
>he argues with people he considers children
that's weird, anon. maybe you need help?
I know you're not a child though, you're just a moron lmao.
>he interacts with morons
you are the company you keep, anon.
Atleast you admit he's a moron.
>you failed to achieve a certain objective
Except he didn't, he cleared all objectives.
There ARE levels that have objectives like "arrest 2 suspects for interrogation" but Brixley Talent Time does not have that. If Brixley pulls a gun he's not exempt from the same treatment as any scumbag.
>he achieved all objectives
expe t the part that was important.
>getting the suspect alive for trial.
you are an officer, not an executioner.
Execution would entail killing a defenseless person, that would be in direct violation of the ROE, killing a suspect who is pointing a firearm at you does not constitute execution, nor murder. It is in direct compliance with the ROE.
>Except the part that was important
There is no except, I just explained to you that there is no "Arrest X amount of suspects" objective. He is entirely correct that even killing Brixley fullfills the mission parameters without penalty. You do get more score for capturing him alive, but killing him is not a failure.
>you do get more score
So you get S, you need that score.
Yes, that's what the other guy is saying aswell, capturing alive should only count towards S, while completing a mission with no penalties under a specific amount of time should be A or even A+
Nope. A and S are "above". B is Average. Cope. You're the average cop, a killbot with no remorse.
Literally, does everything in a sloppy way, "yea I should get the same rank as those who didn't kill a single target bcs I think i should"
>You're the average cop, a killbot with no remorse.
you sound like someone who's still butthurt over Fentanyl Floyd
Cops are violent enforcers for thebstate and the first arm of the repressive and genocidal statist forces. When society is reformed, what they represent might improve. For now they're basically evil by default.
All they have to do is arrest the pharma murderers and the compromised and blackmailed politicians who sell us out.
>if the cops just use violence to enforce my vision of a neo-Bolshevik communist utopia and seize everyone's private property then I'd cease having a problem with cops being violent
moron
>wants justice to be done for corrupt pharma pigs and evil politicians and says so
>*autistic shrieking about commies*
Anon, if you can't tell what my political stance is from my little diatribe, you're beyond hope. It's not communism dumbfrick.
>it's not an execution to kill a suspect extra judicially
you do know most cops would/ do get sued when the gun gets used, irl, right? the game even gives you non lethal options for the reason
>you are a cop, and would rather arrest that kill suspects
>it's not an execution to kill a suspect extra judicially
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and are using words too big for you. There is nothing extra judicial about self-defense and police are not exempt from using that right.
>the game even gives you non lethal options for the reason
Your only valid point here is that it is a game, in real life less-than-lethal options are highly untrustworthy. A simple situation such as a drugged up suspect would render a tazer entirely uneffective. There is nothing inherently wrong with using lethal weaponry on suspects as long as you follow the ROE if you want to play the game as realistic as possible.
>you are a cop, and would rather arrest that kill suspects
That's a strawman argument. Obviously he must have called for their surrender and have been in immediate danger to his or a civilians life or else he would have broken the rules of engagement and have gotten penalized.
>it's self defense
it's not a traffic stop, it's a seige of sorts. roe prefers living suspects to then prosecute for the crimes they commit. you killing armed suspects is not the goal. Your goal is to get them to drop their weapons and arrest them. that's how this works. you just killing off suspects hinders your ability to solve the crime and arrest those responsible.
but he's killing them so impeccably, just look at the bloodbath inside a crackhouse, give this man his A+ rank!
>look chief, those crackhead had to be put down
>of of them looked at me funny after I taxed and pepper sprayed him
it. an only imagine the chief of polices face when he gets that scandal...
A solo SWAT member taking out a full crackhouse without any civilians getting hurt, any officers dying, and all evidence being collected would be a fricking superhuman hero.
No, it would be legendary but they'd probably get suspended and sued and forced through mental evaluation.
>forced through mental evaluation
Yes
>Suspended
No, it would be illegal to suspend someone without them having done anything wrong
>Sued
For what? Using self-defense? He cannot be sued by the state, so it would have to be one of the deceaseds family members or friends, and then he would win the case because he did nothing wrong.
>without them having done anything wrong
Going in solo is 100% guaranteed "wrong"
I was under the impression that in this hypothetical there would be a good reason for him being alone.
There's no such thing. If all his bros are "down" then he should be about protecting and aiding them. If there's nobody else he needs to simply wait.
Going IN solo is moron tier.
It's a hypothetical scenario. Let's assume he has direct orders from the highest echelons of authority to take the building alone while his buddies are outside. If he manages to do that he would be a hero.
There you go, fixed it for you. Feel more comfortable discussing this now?
Still wrong, authority=/=morality.
We're not talking morality, as such a subject is highly subjective and I would get nowhere with a naivé child like you since you can't seem to comprehend that killing dangerous and armed men to protect life is good. We're talking having done nothing wrong in the eyes of the law. Thank you for forfeiting the argument though by continuing to ignore the point and changing the subject entirely. Go ahead and live in your little fantasy world, I will pray that you someday pull a gun on a police officer and meet reality. No one will think you were in the right, and people will laugh at your passing.
It's not an ethical order to follow shit-for-brains. Good cops don't follow bad orders.
It's a hypothetical scenario you autistic manchild. Suspend your disbelief and assume there is a very good reason for the order being given. Besides, what is a bad order or not is subjective. You can be ordered to immediately terminate a sick child running across the street and refuse because "muh morality", only to later find out the sick child has spread modern plague to half the population, killing millions. Good cops follow ORDERS, that's it. Same goes for soldiers, you don't question an order. There are exceptions like genociding israelites. But that hardly applies to these hypothetical scenarios.
If you refuse to follow a direct order you are more likely to be sued and fired.
You're still avoiding the hypothetical and desperately clinging to straws. You're pathetic.
Nope. Your argument about how a game that strives for realism "should" be cannot be supported by big gay hypotheticals and philosophical "givens" and whatever else.
Frick you moron.
>Strawman
>Copout
>Ad hominem
Yeah, you lost buddy. Don't take it too hard, if you keep dilating and cleaning your wound it may one day stop reeking. Thought I doubt it.
>it's not a traffic stop, it's a seige of sorts
Why don't you do me a favor and research literally any siege in history and how law enforcement/special forces handled it?
We can literally pull up all of yesterday's shilling about the anon showing bodycam footage of SWAT raids and saying how the IRL suspect isn't blasting them through doors, and changing it to why isn't the swat instantly gunning them down since they're lives are at risk.
>Changes subject immediately
Very telling, anon, very very telling.
To play along with your thinly veiled attempt at saving face: I have no idea what video you are talking about, but I have seen videos of real SWAT dealing with armed suspects in hostage situations. It's a fat redneck man armed with a shotgun holding hostages in his house and he's walking outside on the porch, he is about to round the corner of his house to where a SWAT team is waiting, entirely out of blind coincidence. The point man guns him down. End of story.
imagine if you pressed 3 and threw a flashbang where he was instead of just shooting him when the odds of him complying are next to 0, but that's not Meal Team 6 operator kind of cool so you had to kill him and complain on Ganker about the unrealistic mission parameters and how police officers are supposed to kill on sight
>the odds of him complying are next to 0
Irrelevant
>police officers are supposed to kill on sight
When there is tangible risk to their own or a bystanders life they are authorized to use lethal force, yes, what is so fricking hard to understand about that? You think they're fricking robocop just tanking shots?
>"Dude you did nothing wrong, followed ROE and saved all the civilians without a single death on your team, obviously you fricked up"
Do you have any idea how fricking stupid you sound?
>didn't go for Lap 2
ngmi
It really isn't
The biggest problem I have is that you don't really work as part of the team you command
In SWAT 4 I could be the leader, I could provide cover, throw the sting/flash/gas and the team would work with me
Here it feels like due to the A enemiesI ignoring fricking everything but you, you're meant to be hiding in the back and not get spotted
I get it, they were trying to make Doorkickers in 3D and its' fine for that but to say it's as good as SWAT is a downright lie
I would hope so, Swat 4 is almost twenty year old game. Newer game in same genre should be topping twenty year old game with the advancements in game that has come in that twenty year difference.
"MUH S RANK, MUH S RANK." Shut the fck up, you insufferable homosexuals.
What matters at the end of the round is 1) all of my squad officers are all alive, and 2) the level is littered with the rotting, bullet-mutilated bodies of pedophiles, terrorists, and meth dealers.
I fire any officers who get "STRESSED" because there is no room for cowards in my army.
Simple as.
>What matters at the end of the round is 1) all of my squad officers are all alive, and 2) the level is littered with the rotting, bullet-mutilated bodies of pedophiles, terrorists, and meth dealers.
>I fire any officers who get "STRESSED" because there is no room for cowards in my army.
>Simple as.
For me what matters is 1) I am alive
rank and squad be damned, those poor expendable bastards can handle those flick-crazy pedos all by themselves I'm sure
It took me 3 downloads and a trip to customer services to get the game to boot past the splash screen when I bought the game a year ago and after all that, the game wasn't worth the effort at all. I played it with another friend way back when and we both realized it was hot trash and stopped playing it.
waste of money and I was left with sticking my thumbs up my ass waiting for an actual AI fix for a whole ass year (Bought the game right after ADAM update aka the last update before 1.0)
Hol' up, the frick is a trip to customer services?
Had to go to their frickin discord server and ask some fricking idiots how to fix it and all they said
"Have you tried X fixes that are posted in every one of our posts" despite the fact that I prefaced my problem with "I tried every reccomended fix" and a list of those and yet they still told me "oh lol"
even SWAT 3 had better AI
um voidsisters they didn't prepare us for this one...
It's literally the Scan command for AI....
Lol nope, the first guy clears right while the second guy clears left and wedges behind him. In this game everyone clears the same direction walking in single file like morons
Dude, literally stack your squad, order one to scan then open and clear, now I'm aware you don't play the game but nice trie
God you're a moron. Last response
>trie
ESL moment.
it's over for me
This. the anti-ron morons really give themselves away by making dumbass statements that are always proven false.
hi i made this webm just for you, you fricking shill moron
have a nice day.
I still find it so fricking stupid that there is an SA58 in this game.
it was from the commanders personal collection
>spend an entire year on swat ai
>its still shit
lol
more like spend an entire year scamming people. every early access game is a scam including baldurs gate 3 which doesnt even have a fricking ending still
What am I to say to that, you're clearing a room that's a tight corridor?
The AI forces file if you don't change their formation or have no room since you were complaining about that.
https://streamable.com/u2l8xv
Is taking cover behind glass doors SWAT SOP?
>Breaches from a left-side stack
>Pointman hooks the fatal funnel and attacks the far left corner while aiming at the right wall.
>Next guy does the exact same maneuver while aiming at the far left corner (and the pointman).
>Then crosses the pointman's firing line to enter a closet
>Meanwhile nobody has cleared the close left corner
RoN AI will also pie open doors like this before breaching but actually follows the correct entry procedure and is substantially better at clearing rooms without flagging friendlies or racing eachother to get killed
>no webm
I accept your concession
Do you need mic for these swat team games when playing with ai swat team?
No, there are programs that let you use voice commands, but there's an action list if you press Middle mouse button
does it have a proper single player campaign like swat 4?
sort of, there's an overarching story throughout the missions
Well there's the list of stages with briefings and what not and a overarching plot.
swat 3 > swat 4 > ron
CLOSE. THE. DOORS.
What's the anons go to way on clearing Neon tomb? I kinda just wedge the dance floor exists and clear around, moving to the 2nd floor via the pools
You can risk the stairs on the left, i sometimes throw a flash or a stinger above the railing to buy time for positioning. Frick me it took me so many tries to do that map, i also wedged the middle.
>playing RoN like its cawadoodie
Holy shit this thread is shit
Kys voidtroony
tear gas doesn't immediately immobilize you and it doesn't work on everybody the same moron
I forgot about the rare gene that makes you completely immune to the effects of teargas
That's actually a real thing, it doesn't bind to some people's receptors or some shit like that.
they still can't breathe and it probably still irritates the shit out of their skin/eyes but it doesn't disable them like it does most people.
Kind of like how something like 1% of the population is immune to psychoactive drugs. It just makes them thirsty
>tear gas doesn't immediately immobilize you
It does.
t. Ex-military
>it doesn't work on everybody the same moron
There's an urban myth in armed forces and law enforcement that a fraction of redheads don't feel the pain of teargas (PAIN, not EFFECTS). I have never been able to verify this.
Did he have a gas mask? That's the only time that ever happens to me and all I use is gas.
no it's a bolton security guard, the game just fricked up and whoever recorded that is deaf and didn't hear the lack of coughing
Trannies would hate this game for being copaganda and allowing you to kill pedos.
Silvers in valorant slice the pie better than this.
CQBLARPer bros, did he actually have to clear above the doorway he just passed through?
thats the only way to play unless you abuse gas like some b***h, even then gas isnt always 100 percent. flashes and stingers are memes. you can only hope you dont run out of plastic bullets but its hard when every map has 10+ baddies with uzis.
The game IS a shitty COD.
You don't even have a quarter of the options to shoot or throw grenades you have in tarkov of arma lmao
How the frick is it, that back in the day, devs released complete and feature rich games that worked, hardly had any bugs and every spiritual successor feels like "game X at home". RON is probably the only tactical shooter trying to mimic what inspired it that actually comes with campaign, some story and has AI. The only thing that is better than SWAT 4 is the lore, if you have the patience to piece it all together, or watch some autist on israelitetube lay it on.
You don't remember the bad old games. They were also plentiful
Is it playable solo?
Yea you can just host a friends only lobby and start alone
No it fricking isn't in fact it's complete garbage
>screen shakes from the AI shooting directly at you two rooms aways
>meanwhile teenager robbing the quickie mart can tank multiple 5.56 rounds without flinching
>AI can't throw flashes for shit
>AI can't peek doors so you can flash, they'll always try to enter and block your shit
>Pepper balls/beanbags do fricking nothing and everyone waves it off even when they aren't wearing gas masks
This game is fricking shit. Yes it could be good and fun with friends but what isn't. Swat 3 and 4 completely fricking mog it. It's barebones as frick, literally nu-call of duty campaign tier
Actually CoD campaign AI is much more functional and fun to play against.
you can tell them to clear with leader and they will open the door for you to throw or launch a grenade. after the nade detonates they will push in after it.
wish they were able to just peek the door and toss it instead of throwing it wide open
They don't peek the door ...
They do if you tell them to stack on the door and open the door. They ironically broke the ability for you to order them to open the door in the last hotfix, so you have to do it for them now.
OP here I am trans btw
I played one of the swat games, but it was so long ago I don't remember which one. Are they all worth playing? Even the 2D ones?
SWAT 3 is probably too N64ish for modern audience but SWAT 4 is still very good to play.
Elite Force First Responders mod is still getting updates so I would recommend playing SWAT 4 with this one.
Does anyone know if you can play multiplayer with legit friends or other cracked friends with the crack like Baldur's Gate 3. This is really the only way I could see this game being bearable
So why is literally every suspect in this game autistically trigger happy? Aside from Gerald Scott, The Hand, The Left Behind and the cultists and maybe some crackheads the vast majority of suspects should not so aggressive.
because the devs suck
>he thinks lil niggy wouldn't du nuffin
Of course they would shoot first.
Suspect AI has separate metrics for stress and morale which impact surrender chance, suspects gain stress when directly exposed to gunfire and tacticals but indirectly gain morale by hearing gunfire and tacticals being used in adjacent rooms, it's meant to simulate the entry team being compromised and nearby suspects preparing to fight them but currently it's overtuned and they gain so much morale and bleed none of it so they never surrender.
You'd think that hearing your fellow suspects eating shit and getting dunked on in the next room over would DAMAGE morale and RAISE stress lmao.
Strafe Master vs The Iron Back
>Using nods on Sins of the father
that's what's bugging me
This game is so fricking bad blows my mind how they can charge 60 for this shit
Sheesh this finna bussin zaaaaamn mirin dem tactics fr
I raffed hard.
why didnt he turn around
He just didnt.
The AI is bad? What is it that you do not understand?
Right guy and the player were covering that angle, someone has to watch the hallway and the open door in case there is another ambush.
hayai!
kek this reminds me of those shitty steven seagal war movies made recently
his shape is hilarious
>literally me when I played open public for the first time today.
Everyone was rushing in for the cowboy stuff and I was careful at the back bagging evidence and putting civilians to the side, overanalysing the surroundings.
>people willingly buy this
>but Ubisoft games are le bad
>>but Ubisoft games are le bad
Yes.
At least Ubisoft games are playable..
lol
Yeah it's funny how RoN is unplayable compared to that dogshit.
This is by far the gayest exchange I've seen in a long ass while, what the frick lmao.
>
trying too hard
>he still can't get over digital pottery
And apparently homosexuals can't even get over real 2000 years old pottery
Nobody cares about ancient Gayreek pottery except you, homie
Apparently homosexuals care enough to change it
What exactly is the problem when they spell it out for you that it's an artistic decision and not one that accurately reflects history? You're playing an Assassin's Creed game for frick sake, it's not exactly true to life in the first place.
>artistic
lmao, it's political propaganda no matter how hard you try to move the goalpost or spin it to be something else
When you have to dig into the errata to find this note that what they're showing is a revisionist falsehood 90% of players or more are not going to be aware they've had their perceptions played with
>the team made the choice to show both genders
>both genders
Not very inclusive of you, Ubisoft.
WHY THE FRICK DO ALL OF THE AI DO THIS STRAFING MOVE IT DRIVES ME INSANE
I hate when they bumrush into the middle of my whole squad while I'm tying someone
I swear those frickers were raising their weapons.
Any habibis? wtf he saying, is this testament also complaining about not getting A+ rank in game?
Probably something about wanting to marry his 6yo cousin because the family goat is getting old or something
true
Why is Rainbow Six literally the only tactical shooter I can think of that actually let's you control multiple squads? I feel a couple of problems could be solved if we're able to control two teams instead of just one.
You can split the squad into two groups of two.
It's mostely useless because the ai is either moronic or aimbotting anyway and nobody wants to waste their time micromanaging for 20 minutes just to get instantly headshot through a wall
SWAT 3/4 do. Ghost Recon 1/Graw 1/2 PC also do.
Mountain Blade, etc.
Buy an ad
Just gave it a negative review because of all those shill threads. Now go frick off and fix the AI.
This or six days in fallujah? I got no friends so I'll probably be playing solo but I crave a tacticool shooter
Isnt 6 days online only? Better check
It says single player on the steam page
6 days is basically online-only. The singleplayer is brutal and you'll be out of things to do fast. RoN is still better with friends than 6 days with friends plus it has a solid singleplayer campaign. Ignore the skill issue QQers ITT
Did 6 days in Fallujah flop? Whenever I check the player numbers they are always pretty damn low. I think the game didn't have any marketing campaign.
It's interesting game but not really sure about it still.
I saw one ad for the game on youtube that told me to kill myself and that was it, never heard of it since then other than in specifically RoN threads.
There's just nothing to do in it besides the same randomly generated 2 missions. I'm hoping they keep adding stuff, but we'll see how that turns out. As it stands, it's at-least another year+ before it's in any shape for me to recommend buying it to people. Plus, RoN has FoTM advantage right now, so you might have some friends on Steam to play with. These kind of games are way better with people, but RoN singleplayer is actually somewhat coherent where you have a squad to command, etc., 6 Days single player is you doing the multiplayer missions solo.
I see. Well I hope RoN will at least get enough proper attention from the devs.
Game is good, they just need to fix the tons of bugs and tune the sliders for the AI (that's why you install no crack for A.I in the meantime)
But to be honest I played 30 hours since 1.0 and my SWAT never sperged like in your videos, I guess it spots the israeli players to ruin them
inb4 voidshill, void are gays for even releasing 1.0 in that state
Why didn't they just use a tazer or rubber bullets bro????? WTF??? They would totally get a B rank and get fired if this was in the game.
Damn why did it take less than 2 bullets to down someone? this isnt like my videogames
What do? I never understood this shenanigans in lauchers.
Use DX12 mode, it's way more performant although it will stutter a bit in the station while it's compiling shaders
Do you have a shitty PC? Then pick DirectX 11
Do you have a high-end PC? Then pick DirectX 12.
Simple as.
GPU? 2060RX, i5.
Well, it's not horrible. But I've heard from friends who are poor that Dx12 makes them stutter even on 3060's. I'd say Dx11 if you'd rather have smooth gameplay, no harm in trying both though and finding out which you prefer.
Nah, dx12 is better in every way.
If you have issues then please tweak the config files. Because it's an UE4 game there are tons of little tweaks available.
>Simple as.
not quite, shit pc? use dx12, good pc? use dx 12 too
>everything about pedophiles or cults
missions about pedophiles : 4 out of 18
mission about cults : 1 out of 18
What is with the devs and making everything about pedophiles or cults.
Safe target but its ridiculous when we know its actually the ultra wealthy and mormon enclaves doing the child raping when it isnt a priest or teacher.
They figured people would be less uncomfortable/likely to call it copaganda if you're playing killing pedophiles and shit.
The devs are MDE chuds.
>just started with 1.0
>expect polish, no map/asset loading, no wall clipping
>everything is in
So what was it like in 0.5? Seems exactly like Insurgency Sandstorm which took about 3 years to get these issues fixed enough.
Optimize the game before you add more stuff pls.
Just google Ready or Not Early Access footage or something lmao.
What do games gain with Dx12?
Massive oversimplification but DX12 can produce the same graphics as 11 but with way less draw calls (and therefore, less CPU overhead), if you are CPU limited in a game you will get a huge performance boost by using 12
The downside to 12 is that it needs to precompile shaders for your specific GPU while the game is running which makes the game hang for a fraction of a second the first time a given effect is use, well designed DX12 games will compile everything during first startup so the game is butter smooth by the time you load into a map, RoN doesn't do this at startup but inadvertently compiles most of its shaders when you load into the station map before starting a mission.
Thnax.
cute kot
I think it could rival Swat 4 one day but there's no way this game should be in 1.0 right now. Early access it gets a pass because it was a significant update, but it's not acceptable as a 'full game' yet.
I'm honestly eager to see what the future holds because the solid skeleton is there, we just need the meat around it now to polish it up.
after the years of waiting it is still an early access game
PVP when, fellow brothers?
yea how is it so hard? just set these maps to tdm dm or whatever and let people have fun. the shooting and gunplay is the best part of the game, pvp doesnt have to be some complex original game mode
I actually agree with OP on this one
t. pipefitter
Game is literal shit you can't even command your squad to flank without physically going there to order, something these games had 20 years ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Game looks like it was made by cretins
Frick, fellas. I want it so bad, should I cave and buy this shitty game at full-price and hope I can find some cool guys to play with, or should I save my money and buy something gayer like Hell Let Loose/Hitman 3 who are both on christmas sale?
>Professionally done and completed games
>Early access slop recently declared 1.0
You type like a homosexual and make decisions like a woman, have a nice day and buy the latter.
There's plenty of people in the RON discord looking for people to play with, both trannies and try hard vets
Can a Ready or not boy fall in love with a Animal crossing girl?
Ty for the info, not sure why you had to mention trannies but it made me laugh so props to you.
is the geometry with suspects hiding behind cover fricked or something? I swear I'm shooting them when they look up but I'm missing apparently
The game simulates bullet trajectory.
I swear it's like you fellas don't even visit the in-game range.
no it doesnt. None of the map even has enough range for that to matter anyway
>no it doesnt.
Yes it does. Confirmed myself several times with the civilian in the basement next to the shooting range.
>None of the map even has enough range for that to matter anyway
Yes they do. Bullet trajectory matters as long as your target is not at point-blank range.
>with the civilian in the basement next to the shooting range
wot
Don't think it would matter in this situation.
Beanbags
https://streamable.com/2lw4q3
I probably just missed or I hit a blocky hitbox or something, I knew he was there so I should've just flashed
are you using AP or JHP rounds
>tactical shooter with no tactics
Bravo
Define tactics.
It sucks. Too much focus on making memey furry props in missions than making the game fun or intuitive. I don't want to have to manage a bunch of morons emotional state nor go back to that shitty police station when I just want to restart a mission because some crackhead has a one millisecond response time and never misses.
Devs had two years to fix the AI and did nothing but run away with the money.
>face masks and balaclavas in all the marketing and pictures
>game has no such thing
i will never forgive this
If you play it with a full squad online then yeah? But the AI in single player is hilariously bad
Not by a long shot. It doesn't even feel finished. Still has potential.
based comments?
Very bluepilled and goy-esque comments
Really fricking wish Carriers of the vine was a night time raid. it would be peak kino followed by Port Hokan
Is that the winery one? in the beta it was a dark night map.
Yea but the whole map changed and the ambience/setting all screech it should've been a night map
>Can't restart missions in commander mode
Who thought this was a good idea?
Gotta handle the stress of your swat members, which serves no purpose at all.
Just play practice mode, it still unlocks shit, commander mode is just hard mode.
>beanbag two women in a room.
>one pulls an extra pistol, the other a knife.
>bean bag them again
>go to arrest them, the first one pulls a knife
>beanbag her
>start arresting
>the other pulls a pistol and shoots me 6 times in the head
HOW FRICKING DEEP ARE THOSE FRICKING PUSSIES TO FIT ALL THIS SHIT INSIDE, FRICKING prostituteS.
This game is DOGSHIT. The environmental artists and map makers are amazing though. If void employed someone that knew how to program fricking AI this would be a great game. But I'm also tired of lolcp lol.
>Everybody in thread says it's dogshit.
>Check reviews for game on steam
>Very positive
Which is it, homosexuals?
>ignoring the recent reviews
Early access reviews don't count.
>lacking critical thinking and nuance
???
>Filename
kek
>/misc/ posting
Derek Chauvin got stabbed in jail lol
What the frick do you mean /misc/posting.
>Derek Chauvin got stabbed
I don't know who that is and I don't give a shit.
the game was very decent in early access but the 1.0 is ridden with bugs which makes the AI dumber than before and dumber than how it should be now, but with a mod "NO CRACK AI" it makes the game very enjoyable despite the bugs and performance issues
t. still like the game
>The environmental artists and map makers are amazing though.
lol
lmao even
You're fricking terrible at your job
That's the game being absolute shit. Don't tell me that house isn't one of the best houses in a videogame ever. The design and layout is like a real fricking house for once. And then all the art inside
I guess alot of these posters
were
not
ready
Time travelling Hitlers bunker DLC when?
Dev here.
You’re all a bunch of whiny ass b***hes, we’ll be adding to the game way beyond 1.0, and turnaround times in development substantially increased in the last year, anyone who played EA would know this. Not that any of you would be aware of what it takes to grow a garage project into a full fledged business.
All the bullshit being complained about will be fixed through multiple hotfixes & substantial patches that will add content, frankly the game shits over 99% of EA titles most of which never make it to release.
>Dev here
Proof now or GTFO.
Also answer this question
Also when will you add PVP?
Your game fricking blows and has less features than 20+ year old games
How the frick didn't you idiots fix the suspect AI before 1.0? It's been broken since EA.
I stopped playing your game because of the dog shit ai. How have you still not fixed that?
he's not saying much, devs have said on the release that they will show a roadmap of what's planned for the year to come after the holidays
nah, not even close
best way to clear data centre? keep losing all my guys near the bit where the servers are. there is either two guys at the bottom or two guys at the top that make it really fricking hard
FRICKING GAS IT YOU REETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD
I either start from the second floor, or main entrance then head left, the server rooms you can just order the AI to clear the room and send a bang above the server boxes, works most times if the AI placement on the second floor windows isn't shit
Here's my game plan, I equipped every officer including myself with 2 wedges.
don't tell the chief what happened to the missing hard drives taken from dicky inc. at the PD....
>constant claims the game is impossibly hard on Ganker, the same board that spent 3 years crying about the tutorial boss for Elden Ring
>go onlien and everyone is clearing shit just fine.
>check back here and people whine about having to use grenades to clear rooms and shit
It's another skill issue isn't it?
yes, most of the times.
>implying everyone else online is not going for S-rank in general let alone practice
>suggesting milsim dorks with lethals are actually beating the game as it was intended
You didn't beat the game.
my issue isnt that its hard, its that the AI is still stupid and to make up for it the devs just gave them inhuman reaction time and response. its lame, not hard and i dont feel like im fighting against humans but rather glorified turrets.
Oh didn't know that farm had audio logs, really wish they'd pop up on the subtitles, even if AI generated
Let's try to get the A+ rating, okay?
Game is a sad sad joke.
>Queue blue team to open flash and clear south side of house
>Red team covering blue team
>Solo the west side of house, open door, clear, see three people in south room
>Click execute, fire shots so blue is safe
>They never open the fricking door, they never fricking do anything
>Kill all 3
>morons still just standing outside the door with my command showing up in the corner like it is in action
This happens 80% of the time. This game SUCKS
I guess people have skill issues
i'm nearly there then i'll do the ironman stuff since that's easier to do, i'll finally get to use my Mk17
forgot picrel cause I'm a fricking ape.
my only fear is the postal map and maybe the data center that might surprise myself
my worst experience has to be in the hospital
I S ranked all the missions a couple of days ago. Worst for me by far were Neon Tomb and Carriers of the Vine. That fricking sniper perch over looking the courtyard is awful if some b***h spawns up there.
Latest update broke something. My CPU/GPU sits at 2% in game and it stutters like a motherfricker, to the point of being unplayable.
Incredible AI
small indie studio plz understand
>all this b***hing and crying
skill issue, you're playing the game wrong when you can easily bait dumb enemy AI and I already S rank 10 missions I'll get the full 18 sooner or later
>AI auto arrests a citizen
>Unauthorized use of force -50
This game is a joke
it means he somehow took a bullet whether by a suspect or the swat
You can get unauthorized use of force from something as tiny as a stray pepperball hitting a suspect who has already surrendered, ruining your S rank.
the one that gets me most times is that one stun animation that takes 50 years to end, so i just assume they're not complying, to get a -50 when i arrest them
grim
Had a somewhat interesting experience earlier. Teammate was about to arrest a civillian infront of me; i.e she was on her knees. Then further down the hallway an enemy pops up and starts shooting. I return fire, meanwhile the civvie decides this is a good time to stand up to idk run which led to my teammates gunning me down as a result
Am I remembering wrong or were mission in swat 4 double if not triple as long
WHY THE FRICK DOES THE AI KEEP SHOOTING ME IN THE FRICKING BACK AND KILLING ME this game was made by 6 year olds
>Suspect surrenders
>Tell him to shuffle to me so he can be cuffed
>As soon as he crosses the doorway into the room my team is in the guy with the beanbag shotgun drops two shots into his chest
I don't know what you guys are talking about, the AI is great.
When you're about to cuff them there's a chance they'll pull out a gun. The Swat AI reacts instantly and shot them before you can even see the animation of them pulling out the gun/knife.
Is this fun solo
depends
no
https://streamable.com/9u8lgh
Sometimes it's eh... it's something y'know
kek
wtf, I've never seen that
the terrorists often try to kill themselves before capture, either by putting the AK under their chin or that, but he was already subdued pulled out the glock, was shot by the AI then killed himself with his fingers
Neat, I've been blown up by a suicide bomber when I peaked a corner and he was just standing there in the night club. Ive seen bomb vests on civvies do those ever go off?
yes the Civvies can either pull pins themselves if there are terrorists nearby, and I think if one terrorist goes off all other bombs go too, I died once to a S-vest while trying to S rank Neon tomb, and it counted that 3 civvies died too
top kek
i kinda just wheezed at it and ALT F4 to restart the map
>https://streamable.com/9u8lgh
The devs did it all on purpose, didn't they?
Answer me truthfully. Can you actually play this game tactically? Like actual use of communication and movement with your teammates to do the objective?
unless you get your friends to larp with you then no
If you have real friends then yes, if not then enjoy your point and command gameplay because team ai is just to op
if you have autist friends yeah, you can play tactically. if you have normal friends it turns into memes like fbi open up blam blam blam, if you have no friends, swat ai is barely functional but at least its not negative like it was before.
More like point and command, because this game ai sucks gorilla dick, both enemy and team ai can walltrack each other and team instant kill anyone
Also 1.0 has dogshit optimisation, game shutters so much even on rtx series
Rename relapse to prolapse cause holy shit.
Does this game have DMRs?
no, and you pretty much never need to use an optic with magnification in the game, anyways
It's a shame no game has gotten the 'marksman across the street in a 3rd story window' aspect right in these games. R6 siege tried to do shit like that but the meta is too gay to allow fun. Swat 4 had a mechanic that let you use a mission specific marksman but it was so linear it might as well have been a cutscene
Because it's a fundamentally boring playstyle that offers all reward for very little if any risk, if done accurately.
Yeah I agree, although I still want to see it in some form.
Maybe they could implement some sort of human shield mechanic or a barricaded standoff needing to be resolved by someone getting shot through drywall but knowing this company that's asking way too much.
It has an SR-25.
Haven't played since 1.0 so it's possible they added some new shit. I've also seen people mod in M24's so you can just do whatever the frick you want I guess.
SR-25?, the only .308 gun is the SA-58
This is SWAT AI playing on their own without a player.
Their AI is good, but there's simply too much handholding involved plus your team is too small. It would help if there was a second team moving on their own like in SWAT 3. On top of that suspect AI always acts the same, unlike in swat 3, and swat 4 that had unique AI per each level.
How do I do this anyway? It seems when I die the game just ends.
Also they said trailers should come in after a mission is done but I've never seen them.
you cant spectate in commander mode
trailers show up after you "bring order to chaos"
>crackhead in a hoodie can shrug off a buckshot blast, 3 .45acp to the center mass, and a taser round while standing in tear gas
>can still collateral me and my squad mate with a mac 10 through steel plates while simultaneously telling us to go frick ourselves and surrendering
How about you israelites buy an ad and fix your game instead of shilling your garbage with these dogshit threads.
Wish there were more missions like port with some story stuff happening. I don't mind the AI being AI at times too much its still a videogame although the random wallbangs are infuriating.
Boy am I glad I didn't spend a dime on this dogshit
Why do people act like you can't play both? SWAT 4 is like 2GB.
>everyone on the swat force is a fricking pussy