>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
>"We're very lucky," says Michael Douse, the director of publishing for the studio. "We've had a lot of stage time—others are not so lucky. This is a really human industry, and we're really bad sometimes at showing developers what they're worth … it's kinda the elephant in the room, especially surrounded by all this opulence.
>"Many, many people were let go at the start of this year. I want you to know that you are all talented, and that you matter, and that you are the future of this industry. Don't let that flame be extinguished by our collective mistakes … we will persevere as an industry."
Its time to pay video game devs more, dont fire them, have unions everywhere and get rid of the crunch. This is how you get good games.
https://www.pcgamer.com/we-dont-have-shareholders-but-we-also-dont-think-about-them-larian-studios-uses-its-stage-time-at-the-dice-awards-to-speak-out-against-a-brutal-industry-climate/
nah, hopefully the game industry collapses and tencent acquires DND
Tencent owns 30% of Larian
it's been explained countless times for the past several months that tencents stake in larian is a type of stake that gives up their right to vote on their board.
so that statement in the OP is literally the same statement several anons have been repeating to the tencent schizo for SEVERAL MONTHS.
but every companies have shareholders and there is no shame about that. But blaming capitalism for all gaming failures matches CCP propaganda.
Black person swen and his wife literally own 70% of the company and the other 30% made a deal where they can't even give their input on what their board want to do.
> StarCraft was made by public company.
Activision spent a few years trading on the over-the-counter market, but started trading on the NASDAQ small-cap exchange on Oct. 22, 1993. On a pre-split basis, the shares traded between about $9 to $15 per share during the fourth quarter of that year. There have been six stock dividends (which work like a stock split) since 2001. If you had bought one share in 1993, you would currently own 11.4075 shares of Activision Blizzard.
Blizzard Entertainment began planning StarCraft in 1995 with a development team led by Metzen and Phinney. The game debuted at the 1996 Electronic Entertainment Expo and used a modified Warcraft II game engine.
remember Tencent bought FS and elden ring mobile game will come out. They are waiting for right time to cash out.
that's fromsoft making a deal with tencent to appeal to the chinese market.
an elden ring gatcha sounds fricking awful but I kinds doubt that product is even meant to be sold over here west side.
And do those companies with shareholders make good games? Yes, system that forces you to make as much profit as possible for some israelites creates sub-par product for consumer.
ideally, Consumers pick up best games in their mind with money
Shareholders based on revenue and profit to find out best developers.
developers try their best to get money from consumers by selling fun games.
In real word, there are always some stupid choices have been made by Consumers/Shareholders/developers. But eventually the system punishes their "bad" Consumers/Shareholders/developers and improve all of them.
Except it doesn't and is built around short term returns, that's why you see devs pushing games as service ridden by battle passes and DLCs. It's all there to give money to some israelite that didn't take part in creation of the game.
> that's why you see devs pushing games as service ridden by battle passes and DLCs
Did /v shill helldiver2 with battle passes and DLC from sony
Helldivers 2 literally installs a chink rootkit on your pc that doesn't go away when you delete the game lmao. The first threads on Ganker, before the shills overran them, were warning about about it.
Only publically traded businesses have shareholders. Privately owned businesses such as Valve do not.
Valve is technically a private-public company like Wal-Mart. It's on the stock market but people within the company (Gaben for Valve, the Waltons for Wal-Mart) keep an absolute strangehold on majority share so no one can ever gain more power in the company than them.
That's wrong. Valve has shares too. Ownership is determined by the amount of shares you have.
>. Privately owned businesses such as Valve do not.
So How do Tencent get 30% share? So they aren't shareholder?
No. You can trade shares privately. And the people that buy those shares privately are shareholders. Publicly traded just means you've released the shares to an open market and have no control over the trade of them.
Not only do private companies not have shareholders, there has also never been a public games company that has continued to make good games after going public.
Come on, name one. A single one. At most they manage to release one or two games that started development before they went public and after that turned to shit.
Games take too long to develop for a quarterly meeting that needs a line to go up. It's fundamentally incompatible.
> It's ok when my favourite woketard catering to me troony fetish lies out of his ass!
The absolute state of homosexuals.
you're seething so hard you just cobbled together a bunch of buzzwords to form a barely legible sentence. again why are you fricking crying and raging so fricking hard over this fricking studio it's fricking unhinged and based on no fricking logic.
heh, even the final digits are the same. Other than disease carrying plague rats, homosexuals are also extremely fragile.
>"the company has reported a profit for this quarter"
>HAHAHAHAHA THE GREEDY [buzzword] RAN OFF WITH ALL THE BLACKROCK MONEY AND TENCENT WILL BE SHUTTING THEM DOWN [buzzword] [buzzwords]s on [buzzword]
this shit is all over Ganker and it was funny in 2007 or so but now its just sincerely unhinged and nobody is even having any fun. schizophrenia is measuring patterns that dont exist. your first clue to your own illness should be imagining that "post numbers ending the same" means literally anything at all.
drink some frickin water and go play a videogame you enjoy holy shit.
Shut the frick up, nobody likes your troony game aside from subhuman trannies, have a nice day and didn`t read.
>claims not to have read
>brings up trannies
>"k-have a nice day, b-because of videogames!"
>doesnt even go and play a videogame he enjoys
yep, its Ganker alright
are you mentally well. do you have any education on shares and how much stake in a company allows outside voices to interfere for you to be so schizophrenic or are you actually and more likely just legitimately a moronic monkey getting angry at shit you dont understand
They can threaten to pull out, like your father should have.
When has telling a schizo he's an idiot for obsessing over imaginary boogeymen ever worked out.
>tencent recognized Larian would make bank and threw in without control because it was just free money if they had stocks, whether they had control or not
Don't argue with mentally ill people, you're just wasting your energy anon
>it's been explained countless times for the past several months that tencents stake in larian is a type of stake that gives up their right to vote on their board.
Even if they could vote, it wouldn't matter since Sven holds 70% of the voting shares.
yeah that makes the tencent schizo spam doubly fricking moronic.
You're a blind fool if you think "not having a vote" means that tencent has NO influence on the game. 30% is a massive chunk of a company. Tencent doesn't have a say, but they don't need to say anything. If you don't work in tencent's interest, they are going to pull out. It's just a matter of knowing what tencent's interest is and sucking them off instead of having tencent tell you.
Tencent pulling out means they'll sell their shares to someone else. It doesn't mean they get their money back lol.
But they might lose the ability to sell in China unless they partner up with some other company? idk how that works.
>no see actual facts don't matter you see clearly I know how they operate and this 30% minority stake in a private company where they also agree to give up their voting rights means they actually control the whole company.
we're done here, to say this whole exchange was pointless would be an understatement. There is legitimately no arguing with someone at your "special" level.
I dont know how any of this work but if they sell their shares, they gotta sell them to someone right? once share are bought can the company lose the money? or is the company forced to buy back the shares? because if not then its a total nothing burger
When a company goes to a bank asking for a credit the bank will determine how much of a risk they face to get that money back and will set the interest rate according to that. The things they use to determine the risk are for example the value of the assets of the company. A video game company mostly just has hard to measure abstract assets like their IP's and past sales. A billion dollar company like Tencent holding a large share of any given company represents a signal to the bank about the trustworthyness and likelihood of success so they can set the interest lower. The amount of interest a company pays directly affects every single decision a company makes all the way to wether or not a project is profitable. Revenue > costs does not actually determine profitability because both numbers are not in the same time period. Before you can compare them you have to make them comparable using the interest. For example a credit for a 1000 bucks at 10% interest would need more than 1100 bucks of revenue the next year to be profitable. If it was a 9% interest it would already be profitable at 1100 and at 11% the revenue would need to be even higher.
> bank about the trustworthyness and likelihood of success so they can set the interest lower.
Bullish. Why do we have bond credit rating? Tesla’s bond was rated as junk until early 3023.
>Why do we have bond credit rating?
Those are guidelines for other banks made by ~~*experts*~~.
30% isn't small.
If they sell to other people the value of the company is decided by the price. It depends on the circumstances. If Tencent notifies everyone that they have sold to someone who gave them a good offer and didn't plan on exiting otherwise it's all good and could aid Larian even. In any other scenario Tencent exiting might send a strong signal to the market that the company might not be as set up for the future as it seems and interest in buying the shares for a price that would look good might not be possible.
>the only way they lose money
The only way they lose money is if their interest rate goes up as I explained. The interest rate makes or breaks any company. This isn't contentious information I'm sharing with you. It's well established and extremely basic.
>In any other scenario Tencent exiting might send a strong signal to the market that the company might not be as set up for the future as it seems and interest in buying the shares for a price that would look good might not be possible.
Which doesnt matter since Larian is not publicly traded
>Which doesnt matter
Unless of course you read the rest of the post.
>Unless of course you read the rest of the post.
Which is also irrelevant since, as previously mentioned, larian is not publicly traded
Public companies have ways to acquire interest free capital so they'd actually be better off but you're a shill so whatever.
>Also why would the interest you owe change so much on the fly,
I mean there are contracts that do that but it's not about the interest you owe because ideally you're already paying that off with the investment you took the credit on for. Companies regularly need new credits and it's not just about credits. Every company has a certain percentage it calculates it's projects against to determine wether or not they are profitable. They estimate that calculatory interest by the amount of interest banks give them, take from them, the interest other projects give, the interest buying bonds would give them, etc. It's a complicated process and is further influenced by the amount of risk they estimate to a given project. Banks do the same thing when deciding who to finance. I mean this thing has been right in your face since years already. During covid interest was incredibly low and pretty much any project was calculated as profitable, new hires were extremely easy to realize and acquisitions to make. Now interest rates rose and there's lay offs everywhere because money is much more tight and projects need to realize a way higher revenue to be profitable.
>Larian is making profits
As I said above, we don't know that. Profits isn't revenue minus cost and we are not privy to the internal financial calculations. The longer a project runs the less the eventual revenue is worth due to the accumulation of interest. I'm not saying Larian is in the minus, I'm trying to help you understand.
>have greatly increased their reputation...
Yes. Now imagine that you didn't eat breakfast this morning. I'm not talking about what is right now because clearly Tencent has faith in Larian and is happy with their shares. I'm explaining to you the fact that Tencent *can* pressure Larian.
>Public companies have ways to acquire interest free capital so they'd actually be better off
Unbelievable.
You're actually shilling for public companies and saying Larian would be better off as a publicly owned and traded company now. The kind of company that would be controlled by shareholders.
All because your narrative doesnt apply to them as they are now: a privately owned company.
Jesus fricking christ. Now I've seen everything
low iq post
>the value of the company is decided by the price
Disagree. They just sold a very successful game. That's what matters more, not Tencent selling their shares for 5 $ (which is never going to happen anyway). If they make another and it is successful, then they can ever burn their shares or pay people to take them, the perceived value will not change. Unless the banker is fricking moronic. Also why would the interest you owe change so much on the fly, thaty would be ridiculous, why not saying not instead of 10 millions you owe 10 trillions? Surely they cannot do that. Like you said they would have to sell at a low price for trying to lower the value, but they would lose money, which means they re not going to do it, which means Tencent shouldn't really have any power.
>The interest rate makes or breaks any company. This isn't contentious information I'm sharing with you. It's well established and extremely basic.
It doesnt make any sense to me. An interest rate is usually not huge, and Larian is making profits and have greatly increased their reputation in the market, a good sequel to baldurs gate 3 in some years would no doubt sell a bunch of copies. That would depend on how much money they borrowed, but when you re successful, you can make money for other so someone is going to pick you up anyway, + like I said I don't think that its easy to manipulate the value. If it was a bunch of different actors and they owned 90 % of it yeah but one actor at 30, nah In their successful position im sure they could even borrow at a rather low and fixed interest rate to pay back the other debt since people have more trust in them now.
but those are small percentage and if they own 100% of the shares/property then they dont have to share profits which means more profits + themselves
also you didnt answer the question. if they sell to other people then the "shares" are still owned by someone and the person that loses money if the perosn that bought the shares, not the company. the only way they lose money if there is a law that forces the company to buy back the shares and gives money to Tencent, can that happen?
If Larian goes to bankruptcy, preferred shares get money back before regular shareholders.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
you don't know what you're talking about
prove it wrong
already has been countless times check the archive not going to spoonfeed you.
So.....you have no proof. Not surprising ince you dont know stocks either
Nope, you are wrong.
Reality and your lack of proof says Im not
do you really think it matters that they don't have a "board seat" when they own 30% of the company lmao. you are woefully ignorant as to what a board of directors does, but here's a hint: they exist to serve and protect the shareholder's interests.
>they exist to serve and protect the shareholder's interests.
>private company
>gives up their right to vote on their board.
yeah man
totally
im absolutely sure the hyper authoritarian bugmen from the multinational megacorporation don't put any kind of pressure whatsoever on larian to go along with their 1/3rd company stake
absolutely
checks out without a doubt
>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
Not even remotely true. Plenty of fun indie games that never got above 5 figures of sales, plenty of fun games that made a huge loss to bloated budgets.
You still have a legal requirement to act in the shareholder's best interests, if you're doing a shit job and ignore their concerns, they absolutely can and will take you to court to force you to act in their interests.
>Plenty of fun indie games
lol
LMAO
rofl
They aren't as fun as you think they are.
A tiny fraction of a large number is still a significant figure.
You were born yesterday
this is bullshit also
30% isn't 51, Tencent can't demand shit
It's also not publicly traded and there are no other shareholders so they can listen to them even less.
Anon, 51% doesn't mean you decide what happens, 51% means you've completed a hostile takeover. 30% means you're the largest shareholder and effectively decide what happens.
The largest shareholder is Sven with the other 70 tho
The largest shareholder is Swen at 60%. The second largest is his wife at 10%. Tencent has 30% preferential shares, that gives them no actual voting rights, but they get priority to company assets in the unlikely even of Larian closing down. On top of being majority shareholder, Swen is also the CEO and creative director of Larian Studios. He's the one calling shots. If he ever wanted to give up control over his company he would have done it a decade ago when Larian was on the verge of bankruptcy, not when the company is booming and rapidly expanding. The deal with Tencent was simple, they get a hefty dividend payout every quarter, and in exchange Larian gets a hefty investment from Tencent. Nothing more, nothing less. Beyond that, Tencent has no deeper involvement with Larian, to the point that Larian devs are not even aware that Tencent is a Larian shareholder.
How many shares do you think Sven owns, you moron?
How much of this thread is the singular schizo samegayging I'm looking at some posts just utterly baffled and I refuse believe that this game caused so much seething that people are being this moronic
based on these posts and the IP counts increasing I'm betting on samegayging and hopping on different IPs because it's specifically TOO autistic to the tencent schizo to be several different people being this specifically autistic.
I don't think they know how stocks work
Ganker schizo are way too much like bots without actually being bots
the tencent schizo acts exactly the same way as that barry schizo who spams Final Fantasy threads but they're clearly different people just with VERY similar behaviors.
I really feel like there should be some sort of study of the type of Ganker schizos we see pop up over the years because while they're all distinct people their behaviors are so eerily similar among their type because of the type of predictable patterns that they follow while all having different backgrounds with the only similarity being that they browse this site, it's kinda scary.
I have no doubt the tencent schizo is samegayging and IP hopping like other schizos before him.
He who smelt it, dealt it. Hop off that discord vc and disable your vpn kid.
tldr cope
it's over
>he thinks 30% of a single office is the entirety of Larian
>we don't have shareholders
>but you do
>WELL THEY DON'T OWN ALL OF US
Take the phat L 😉
the reason it considered a technicality is because they gave up their right to have any say within the company. so technically yes, but not really.
of course it'll be autists here who get so hung up and have autistic breakdowns over specifics.
tencent own everyone at this point, they even own 16% of fromsoft
Tencent is mostly hands off.
As long as you make money they dont meddle.
China doesn't have the same YOU MUST MAKE MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAN THE LAST capitalist mentality that US has.
So yea technically they are owners of part of the company but they dont have traditional melding shareholders like in the US.
>China doesn't have the same YOU MUST MAKE MORE MONEY EVERY YEAR THAN THE LAST capitalist mentality that US has.
>So yea technically they are owners of part of the company but they dont have traditional melding shareholders like in the US.
Frick you're embarrassing, take a minute to pull your tongue out of the CCP's gutter oil dripping butthole for a minute and look up who owns Tencent sometime, pro tip, they're not chinese, and yes Tencent is all about making profit.
I own 0.0000000001% of Microsoft.
Tell Nadella he is a homosexual.
I am the one who puts chicks with dicks in your games.
Huh, t-thank you?
>Its time to pay video game devs more, dont fire them, have unions everywhere and get rid of the crunch. This is how you get good games.
That's not what they said, troony. Larian has no unions, Swen owns the company and the means of production, and the pay at Larian is well below the industry average because most of their employees are fresh graduates being hired as interns or junior devs, whom Larian uses as cheap labor. Oh, and they crunch on every game too. Also
Technically Larian has 3 shareholders - Swen, his wife and Tencent. I guess Larian devs themselves don't know that because it wasn't supposed to be public knowledge and was never announced publicly. To be fair, the deal only happened in 2019, until then the company was privately owned by Swen alone. If it wasn't for some internet sleuths no one would know about it.
> his wife
that's way worse than tencent no wonder this game is so gay
She's not involvement with the studio either. I think it's just a gift from Swen so his wife has solid income? Technically, she's not even his wife. They've been together over twenty years and have two kids, but never married. Don't know what's going on there. Maybe some belgian anon knows better.
>I think it's just a gift from Swen so his wife has solid income?
Doesn't change anything it just means this dude is a cuck so still a homosexual game why the frick would you hand free money to a prostitute exactly? He should give her pocket money for blowjobs not make sure she has income so that she doesnt even have to suck anymore and hes stuck because of the martriage contract
>They've been together over twenty years and have two kids
How do you know that, Sven? And that doesnt mean she wont divorce to take all of his shit.
Pretending to be moronic doesn't make you less moronic.
you failed to provide any argument, because you can't. pretending to know better doesn't make you know better. imagine handing out your shares to a woman just because she ahd kids with you in the hope she ll return the favor somehow lel most people are too shallow for that and women are especially shallow and have a prodigious ability to instantly forget everything good you ever did for them and rationalize anything and finding excuses, this guys a homosexual and this is a fgagot game period. ill still play it though, but ill be inconvenienced by the homosexual shit. not sure ill pay for it though 🙂
I gave you the benefit of doubt and I assumed you were pretending, but you seem to be a genuine moron.
Nobody cares if you pirate it, the game already sold 20 million
Man this guy is just sad
I hope women ruin your fricking life. It seems they already did a number on you, but I'm eager for more.
cope
cope
you re right I will, thanks for giving me the green light
cope
What am I to cope about? You are the guy who claims that loving your wife is cucked
i didnt say loving your wife was cucked, i said giving her free money for no reason was, and that has nothing to do with love, I also added that you think you re real close, family n shit and that you could do these trust moves and everything would be fine you ll find that women are very shallow and rationalize everything with their insane emotions + greed and that you would get nothing from a move like that, if anything shes gonna poison him to get the money or pretend he raped her once she finds a new younger guy that wants to frick her. you ll only get tit for tat from exceptionally moral people, from some woman all you ll get is a rugpull and a betrayal, if anything the more you setup yourself in this "love n family " position the more she ll be incentived to betray you because a lot of humans are just trashy like that. now go buy her flowers and sing songs to her while she does barely anything for you cuck
tl;dr homosexual, quit waffling and condense your train of thought, goddamn
Massive difference between an ownership worked out in a specific deal and the open stock market.
Shut the frick up Black person. Only boomers on life support care about teh ebil Chinese commie bogeyman.
>teh ebil Chinese commie bogeyman
That's what tiny dick wumaos want you to believe. Tencent has always been a white man's company. Dutchgays bought 49% of shares some 20 years ago when Tencent was literal who company, and have been running it ever since.
Shareholders say a game isn't fun unless it has Debra Wilson in a main speaking role with face scan technology.
threadly reminder
being a lead game dev in a big studio i saw this with my own eyes
there is legit 2x more managers/producers/leads/finance/hr/specialist etc than the devs doing the product
my studio is almost 500 people, of which only 250 are people split among 2 teams, of which i can speak only about mine which is 100 people, 40 or so i can say do something of value and im not sure im even among them
wasnt like this when i started in it, was 150 in the studio with a small bloat yet every single year we get more employees but the games arent getting better and every new person seems to know less than the last
Just like in most workplaces, the incompetence is just growing and growing and it's mostly because of managers, middle managers and lower managers that every job is having today. And the fact that these people are ''educated'' to be managers and haven't worked from the floor and up
in our case it was just one woman and her plan to get 50-50 parity with women and men which lead to rapid hiring of over 100 people, and when the woman behind it was fired herself we were left with 100 people extra we couldnt get rid off
but worry not our next ceo wanted to impress the stockholders with how fast we grow, so he hired even more people, he too would be gone in 2 years, yet by that point even getting rid of all the bloat wouldnt help as there was no core structure left to leave, so we just chug along hoping the costs dont catch up to our revenue
its a mix of far left social ideology taking over and general lack of accountability in big companies, legal regulations dont help, mass layoffs arent easy to perform without closure of those work places and since the board of directors has a set pay and stock options they dont even care if they company makes money or not, if it folds they will cash out and move to the next company
and if you work of cash from a publisher? then who gives a shit how the games will come out, you got paid already, in fact im legit convinced games like saints row reboot are made out of spite by the same type of people that work at my studio, ones that fricking despise games, and will call you a looser nerd for trying to talk about it to them, they dont even play the games we make
ether way i dont care anymore either, just wondering when my studio getting closed down and i join the 2024 mass layoffs
>it's da joos
>it's da little man
>it's da minorities
>it's da wymin
Keep licking that billionaire boot.
>Keep licking that billionaire boot.
what billionaire? my studio isnt run by billionaires, we steal money from publishers pretending we do something of value, but everybody at the center of making it shit are mostly good goys brainwashed by marxist propaganda
its morons like you who look for some boogyman in the sky instead of facing whats right in front of you?
wanna know who made saints row shit? Brian Traficante, a self proclaimed marxist activist, who fricked up Arkane? Harvey Smith, a israelite with an agenda, and Dinga Bakaba, who will make the most diverse games he can, funny enough none of them are billionaires
also when i see "diversity and inclusion" programs i have to go to i know it is in fact da joos at the root of the problem, hell, we now have studio wide special pronouns system, and i have to deal with some wanna be troony changing theirs every few months
What studio? Give a hint.
>it's not the israelites, it's the israelites!
ok?
This
Implying only your industry suffers from these problems
same for countries, empires and cibvilizations. ther eis no point building if you can't protect, maintain, improve and scare the future generations into not repeating the mistakes and making sure they always stay on their toes.
thats why its paramount to hire good people an d especially filter buttholes, and maybe divide things into smaller chunks that are easier to handle, putting people who care and paying them enough, but especially the guy at the top but manage them. shit fails because they dont have a director that cares. the director is the sole reason why the "officiers" are selfish or incompetent, why is why the rest goes to shit over time. making a company public is setting it up for failure over the long run unles they have their "king" whi is usually the original creator / founder and cares about his "baby". succession is very important but people don't really care and treat it like selling, saying "good luck" and fricking off,
I can't wait for these guys to ship out a broken turd like Cyberpunk 2077 and people will fall for it thinking they're 'LE GOOD GUYS'
Baldur's Gate 3 is their Witcher 3
But BG3 is actually good instead of being babbys first RPG like Shitcher 3 was.
Both games are overrated garbage for people who prefer reading a generic fantasy visual novel instead of playing
>Dregs and Dilators 5E, with combat wheelchair update
>not babby's first RPG
>But BG3 is actually good
no
DOS was good, DOS 2 was okay, BG3 is mid
Both BG3 and TW3 are complete shit. The very definition of slop for the lowest common denominator normie sales.
yeah but larian have actually made multiple good crpgs in a row that have only gotten better
witcher 3 was never even a good game it was just fancy looking with some detailed branching story stuff but it had awful gameplay.
BG3 is literally babies first CRPG. it being based on DnD 5e so hard cripples it massively even though it was built with the bones of DoS2. It's amazing to brainrotted AAA only players, but anyone who has played a crpg...it's okay at best.
What they need to do is learn how to compress there game files because there is zero reason for it to be 150gb. that's some union work numbers
I don't find being hit on by homosexuals entertaining.
So no, i wouldn't consider it good.
but it's ok anon
after they put out a rancid stinker in the future, they'll give an apology tweet then spend five years patching it until it's marginally okay at which point everyone will praise them for something something in the face of adversity or something
The way you newline sentences outs your samegayging.
the difference between CD Projekt and Larian is that CD projekt is a public company so pleasing their shareholders is of great importance to them as opposed to companies like Larian which not only they private but swen is the founder AND he and his wife hold the majority of shares so they can really do whatever.
>the difference between CD Projekt and Larian is that CD projekt is a public company so pleasing their shareholders is of great importance to them as opposed to companies like Larian
you sounds like private companies don't need to make money and please shareholders.
they only need to please the 51% or in this case, the founder.
so why FS want to have mobile game for Elden ring. Tencent doesn't have 51% percentage share
It's possible that kadokawa and sony also wanted them to make a mobile game.
They are just doing whatever they can to achieve growth, which is the goal of public corporations.
>Baldur's Gate 3 is their Witcher 3
A good game?
Also, I would argue Larin already got its bad games out of the way. Go play the Divinity games that came out before DOS1, most of them aren't particularly good even by the standards of when they came out.
The Dragon Knight games are better than DOS 1 and 2. Fight me.
Maybe 2 but I refuse to bite that bullet on DOS1, I genuinely really like that game.
>I can't wait for these guys to ship out a broken turd like Cyberpunk 2077
they already released BG3 lmao
watching the shiteaters who shilled that garbage walk back their own arguments as patches drop is really funny
>"its the most stable RPG release"
>first patch has more bug fixes than most games combined in their lifetime
>"gay romance isn't forced on you"
>devs patch out the gay rapist tendencies from their characters
>"the ending slideshows were cut to make sure the pacing was good"
>they add the ending slideshows in a patch
Schizobabble.
That's literally true though you literal moron. Does the 30GB update also wiped out your brain or something?
30% sold to Tencent
>video games become unionized
>now we get shittier games AND they somehow take even longer to come out
Unions are such a shit idea for consumers. Anyone who has ever worked for a union has had at least a dozen coworkers who were walking wastes of air. Unions make it impossible to get rid of the most incompetent of employees so long as they have seniority.
Can't blame developers for wanting them, I would want one too. But as consumers we should never support video games getting unionized.
All it did for me back in my minimum wagecuck days was take a chunk of my paycheck. Like homie, I ain't moronic, I'm gonna fricking leave within a year, I don't want your shitty health insurance and worker's comp.
I understand why it exists, but when the government more or less legislated all the bare minimums, it just feels underbaked and pointless.
Can you dim the glow a bit? You're trying too hard.
Over 2000 people worked on BG3 and the game was also heavily outsourced with AAA money. Why are they acting like some indie game that won GOTY?
Because they can afford to since their braindead customers will eat up any old shit.
>Why are they acting like some indie game that won GOTY?
Because it is? An independent work isn't because of budget, it means you self-published without needing someone else to fork over money to make it.
But wotc and tencent did fork over money.
Schizo.
Without having publishing rights.
Anon… Larian had to PAY wotc rights to use baldurs gate, not the other way around…
>indie game
The term "indie game" itself is based on similar terms like independent film and independent music, where the concept is often related to self-publishing and independence from major studios or distributors.[1] However, as with both indie films and music, there is no exact, widely accepted definition of what constitutes an "indie game" besides falling well outside the bounds of triple-A video game development by large publishers and development studios.[2][3][4][5] One simple definition, described by Laura Parker for GameSpot, says "independent video game development is the business of making games without the support of publishers", but this does not cover all situations.[6] Dan Pearce of IGN stated that the only consensus for what constitutes an indie game is a "I know it when I see it"-type assessment, since no single definition can capture what games are broadly considered indie.[7]
Do they get support from Tencent? this is a simple question.
>Dan Pearce of IGN stated that the only consensus for what constitutes an indie game is a "I know it when I see it"-type assessment
Frick off, videogames aren't porn. Aside from eroge, obviously.
>Do they get support from Tencent? this is a simple question.
I honestly don't know how much they do if at all.
>Unions make it impossible to get rid of the most incompetent of employees so long as they have seniority.
Good. Corpos should have to pay normie homosexuals for existing. It's the tax they pay to engage in criminality and unethical capitalism like the mafiosos they are. All work should be unionized.
Have you ever considered stop being a consumer ?
>Anyone who has ever worked for a union has had at least a dozen coworkers who were walking wastes of air.
Anon I work in a non union company and well it's the same shit. People do absolutely nothing. The higher up you go the less you do too. The head of HR writes two emails a year and gets 5 million in compensation.
The networks team? Does absolutely fricking nothing. NOTHING c**ts don't do their job. 200K each.
Capitalism destroyed video games. Relentless greedy pursuit of higher and higher profits (which they label as "growth) until the medium is a dried up well.
>Capitalism destroyed video games
Destroyed AAA**** videogames.
I now buy my games from the farmers market.
Video games only exist under capitalism you fricking cretin
>But muh Tetris
Would have never been sold to the masses without the west.
And capitalism still destroyed video games.
Capitalism has a funny way of self-correcting. We're witnessing it now. The bloated giants are falling and a new frontier is being pioneered as we speak. The cycle is about to begin anew whenever the fed puts interest rates back down again.
Punchy upstarts will be bought out and turned into the same amorphous blob. There is too much decrepit capital at the top because lobbying wasn't outlawed
You know America isn't the only country in the world, right?
That only really was able to happen for as long as it did because of over a decade of 0 interest rates meaning money today would always, ALWAYS equal more money tomorrow, it was impossible to lose. Interest rates being up now means that suddenly if you frick up, it actually means you fail.
>make bad product
>lose money/employees
how is this le bad
On its own? Nothing. The problem is when you make a bad game and it sells anyway so you learned nothing and you get to continue to make mistakes with impunity.
Making worse products does not equate to losing money. And losing money does not equate to losing employees. Many of the companies who laid off employees in early 2024 were posting record profits.
You seriously don't understand how major investors in publicly traded companies make their money if you think they're consistently achieving YoY 10% growth by constantly making better products.
>Making worse products does not equate to losing money.
Actually in most businesses, it does.
They've made like 8 Divinity games and only 2, arguably 3 of them are good.
They've made six:
Divine Divinity - Superjank
Beyond Divinity - Superjank
Divinity II - Bethesda-level jank (even runs on Gamebryo)
Dragon Commander - Abomination of a game
Divinity: Original Sin - Good
Divinity: Original Sin II - Good
For some reason I thought there was more than 6
Anyone stupid enough to believe muh capitalism is the problem should be forced to watch this video on loop for the rest of their life. It's not fricking capitalism, it's moronic money men pushing product guys out of positions of power.
yeah capitalism when you make products that no one wants and no one buys so you can push an agenda
oh wait that has nothing to do with capitalism
Do you think it's true anons? The secret to best selling games is fun gameplay?
Marketing. You see a Sony GaaS come out to PC and /v hated GaaS&Sony. But suddenly everyone love this game because of "fun" gameplay.
It's the secret to games living on past the initial hype period.
can't be. need more danger hairs and mentally ill.
Baldurs Gate 3 has dogshit gameplay so that can't be it.
96% of people disagree with you. Stay mad.
>salty ubislop shill
stay mad Mr Microtransactions
Poorgay. Microtransactions give a greater feeling than 'oh wooow i got a 20 on my wittle diice!'
the secret is furry sex scenes
maybe demanding that stock price go up at record levels every year isn't sustainable?
Maybe it's better when the owners directly care about the well-being of the company and the quality of their products?
Maybe it's a healthy part of a free market that unsustainable practices such as investment bubbles get punished?
>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
I fricking WISH this was true, but sadly it's not. I mean it certainly fricking helps but the idea that it's the best way for your game to profit is just not true.
>Ganker complains when a company gets bought out by acquired by major companies like EA and then have major talent drain and then become soulless husks of themselves shitting out low quality games
>larian also says this is bad thing to layoff all of your talent and be reigned in by greedy out of touch shareholders
>Ganker seethes because larian dared to say what they've been complaining about for years.
lmao you homosexuals seethe so much at this fricking studio you're biting your own nose off to spite your face
>Ganker is one person
Over the years I have reconsidered picrel a lot. Today I'm almost glad they are gone, seeing gods like Westwood or Bullfrog spit out pozzed goyslop on daily basis would hurt much more than their absence.
investors and shareholders are gamblers that don't have the decency to stay in casinos
If so many talented people are all unemployed at the same time, what is stopping them from coming together and forming their own studio?
they just got fired, hopefully the actually good devs start their own companies and the useless chaff leaves the industry
That does happen occasionally. That new SC2 clone is made from previously employed by blizzard people.
Initial capital investment, mostly. Takes money to start a company.
>Be union moron
>Get fired
>Use your collectivism broken mentality and gather up other union moron to form a business
>Get to the paperwork part
>Come to the realization that you and ever moron you just gathered really did deserve to be fired.
I have not play the game, but i've seen you guys post that picture with the bear so many times that i just know that it's a bad game. And i will enter threads and talk about how bad the game is in order to fit in with you guys. BG3 is a bad game
Hasbro is a public company and the copyright holder of Dungeons & Dragons. Hasbro shareholders would expect Hasbro to put more effort into squeezing Larian Studios the next time around
Hasbro is not like Disney is with Star Wars, they'll license out the D&D name and setting to any studio willing to pay the fee. Which is how the Star Wars IP used to be with games and I wish it was again.
>Hasbro shareholders would expect Hasbro to put more effort
Ahahahahaha.
Hasbro shareholders are officially fricked and Hasbro is on its way into bankruptcy.
They are owned by the Chinese, namely tencent.
Fake game hyped up by a powerful Chinese shill department.
>I want you to know that you are all talented
that's a big "doubt" from me, dawg
why can't you gays ever just link the primary source? just link the fricking clip. i don't care about someone elses opinion/summary about something that happened, especially not when unedited video footage exists.
They're not wrong, shareholders are cancer and the only way to maintain quality and integrity is to not be a publicly traded company, but that's not exactly the path most can take. Larian somehow survived doing eurojank for over 15 years until they finally managed to do a somewhat decent and polished game with D:OS.
Tencent owns Larian.
>Its time to pay video game devs more, dont fire them, have unions everywhere and get rid of the crunch. This is how you get good games.
Getting your studio off the stock market is how you get good games.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/delisted/ATVI/Activision%20Blizzard/stock-price-history
Activision Blizzard had their IPO at 1993.
This. Today's stock market is where owners go to extract wealth and consumers go to get fleeced.
Nintendo/Capcom are all public companies.
Yes, that's why they make shit games.
Nintendo's CEO took a 50% paycut to avoid layoffs. Now you tell me if he's the norm or the exception
Nta but in Japan he literally has to do something like that. To save myself time I'll just copypaste what I said on /vr/, but in Japan, you legally can't be fired from a salaried position. Let me explain this to you. Thanks to Japan having extremely strong labor laws, companies are not allowed to just fire people or the courts will be on their ass. There are legally only TWO ways to layoff an employee
>you're grossly incompetent, which is hard to prove in a court of law because they thought you showed competence when hiring you so the onus is on them to correct the errors in your work instead of getting rid of you
>the company is bleeding money, which requires offering voluntary severance pay to EVERYONE in the company and establishing an official pecking order of who is first to go solid there aren't enough volunteering to leave
THAT'S IT, anything else, you're not getting fired no matter what. Instead, they will constantly shift you around the company to more and more demeaning positions until you quit of your own accord. You know how you always hear stories of people at Konami who used to make games but now they're the janitor? That's why, they're doing that because legally they can't fire the person, but they really want them to gtfo of the company so they're hoping that person will get the picture with enough humiliation.
>and get rid of the crunch
Every, and I mean EVERY game, goes through crunch as they have to finish up those last bits before the street date. What's rare and makes the news is extreme crunch, the LA Noire kind of shit.
Can someone explain the seethe towards larian? I dont have a dog in this race and Ive never played BG but I dont get why anons froth at the mouth over these guys
every shilled games on /v will receives harsh criticism: elden ring/ bg3/hell dive2. gamers need some lessons/time to learn this.
Just Ganker seething about their success in general. Larian's whole thing is kind of inspirational since they were pretty much on the brink of being finished but DoS to DoS2 to BG3 brought them more recognition and more success, and the company never had to sell themselves to anyone.
specifically with Larian one guy hates that they're so successful and keep on winning.
it's been several months already and he's been spamming BG3 threads for a while.
Game was a big success. That's enough for some people.
It actually embarrassing how most of todays seethe on this board isn't over a game being shit, it's over a game actually being successful.
it just comes across to me that too many schizos are seething losers jealous of other peoples success that they can't have. then they cope by saying the game is shit even though they haven't touched it and then make it their personality to be against this thing that they hate other people enjoying.
it's so much easier to just ignore games that don't interest you but they can't have that
they basically make it a hobby to hate things.
>seethe on this board isn't over a game being shit, it's over a game actually being successful.
Obviously.
How would anyone get mad about the quality of a game when they don't play games?
Combination of things, putting aside the schizo-tier people who just spam threads out of a personal vendetta
>Tortanic syndrome since the game was huge
>was in EA for years so there was a long time to shitpost about it
>a lot of people really fricking hated DOS2 and to them this was less BG3 and more DOS3 (mechanically I kinda agree but I think that's to the game's benefit because the less it's actually like 5E, the better)
>it has a combination of both good writing and really fricking irritating writing, and people focus on the latter more
you're mistaking the hierarchy. the fact of the matter is that it's fun throwing peanuts at monkeys. say anything negative about any queer company and you get instant seethe nowadays. for larian specifically all you need to do is mention stocks and you'll get poorgays that barely understand cryptocurrency frothing at the mouth trying to say nuh uh without outing themselves as the morons they are.
It's good but it was still heavily shilled here, which personally always sours me a bit on games. Then people obsessed with this culture war stuff saw it as belonging to the other side. And then just good old contrarianism.
the higher ups are like 75% trans, that pissed the chuds off
They're not as bad as other developers with the woke shit. But they're still hella queer and mildly woke. Sure, when you put their game next to the likes of say Suicide Squad or Hyenas, or Destruction Allstars, then they look relatively inoffensive. But that's only because such extremes have desensitized you.
Larian Studios is very luck that they live in a time where they can put a game out for early access THREE YEARS before the release date. Where that kind of practice was unheard of before. But now early access is common enough that gamers are desensitized to it as well.
A queerbait woke game subsists on early access money to eek by, and we're supposed to slap them on their backs like they're total bros? Nah. I don't think so.
Schizo.
I didn't say 1 untrue thing. Just go to the steam page and ctrl+f "early access", to see when it was released for early access. That was Oct 6, 2020. Release date was Aug 3, 2023. So basically 2 years and 10 months of early access.
stop responding to the homosexual spammer
You don't care about games and only want to fight a culture war with mentally ill trannies. Frick off
>wtf why don't people like my gay troony bear sex game???
Anti Belgian sentiments
Nintentards and sour grapes.
You'll soon realize that every game Ganker ""hates"" is not on Nintendo Switch. And by "/v/" I mean a bunch of consolewarring schizo tendies, the vast majority of people here play on PC and liked it.
Baldur's Gate 3, Elden Ring, Resident Evil 4, anything Sony makes, anything related to emulation, anything related to Steam Deck. Even Stray - a random indie game published by Annapurna - got some hate threads back at launch.
nice reddit list my fellow anon, have an upvoat
Thanks bro.
>Many, many people were let go at the start of this year
From Larian?
>Hey, sorry, but not sorry kek
What a bunch of two-faced c**ts.
Why do they hate fat cats? Isn't that fatphobia and animalphobia?
next divinity game is about to slap my wiener
I'm still not playing Booger's Gay 3
>and we're really bad sometimes at showing developers what they're worth
Pic related
>read article
>Tencent owns Larian and gives them money
Weird how having the biggest publisher on the planet helping them isnt notable.
it literally says on that very same sentence why
you even included it in your screencap...do you even know what the sentence is saying?
if Larian studios make money, Tencent can get dividend. Tencent has reason to support BG3.
>they own 30% of the country except they don't get a say in anything
Isn't that literally the perfect scenario? That's practically the definition of "take the money and run"
The point is that Tencent acts as their safety net and protect them.
Ok but if Tencent by contract doesn't get a say...who cares? The problem with companies like them isn't that they have a lot of money, it's that they push bad ideas on devs for the sake of increasing profits but make the game infinitely worse. But if they don't get to do that, then I don't see the problem unless that contract gets renegotiated.
No, stop thinking.
Tencent bad so Larian bad.
Context doesn't matter.
Larian is basically Tencent now.
>Tencent is a white knight to protect beloved vidya, did't spend a dime to shill BG3 because game is so good,, and never worry about ROI. This is for great games.
>and never worry about ROI
BG3 sold something like 22 million copies, I don't think Tencent has to worry about a return on their interest.
It doesn't really count as a sale when you're buying them from yourself.
This homie doesn't know how quantitative easing works.
>you borrow money from yourself to yourself in order to stimulate the economy by spending your own money on yourself (and thus the money flows from you back to you) in order to increase monetary yields and thus stabilize the economy.
Quantitative easing is a form of market manipulation. If you're not government or a government proxy doing it then it's illegal. It's a bullshit policy which helps nobody long term.
>Quantitative easing is a form of market manipulation.
Yes, and? All form of government interference in the market is by definition a form of market manipulation.
>If you're not government or a government proxy doing it then it's illegal.
Yeah because only the government controls the national currency.
>It's a bullshit policy which helps nobody long term.
Patently false, you just don't look at things from a national macroeconomics stance.
>Yeah because only the government controls the national currency.
They're not supposed to do that. The currency is supposed to be backed by tangible wealth, not hopes and dreams of a crooked government of morons.
Oh, you're a gold moron. We don't back currency on gold anymore because the value of gold was independent of external economic factors and was thus deemed less reliable. Its primary reason for being used as a currency was because it's actually extremely hard to fake because it has a certain sheen to it, which most alloys that don't contain any gold don't have, you will recognize it when you see it. However that doesn't change that it isn't reliable in how modern economies work. Say what you will about imaginary fiat currency, but it remains relatively stable because its supply is in direct response to market forces. Fiat is arguably the most real any currency can be, because it is backed by violence.
>We don't back currency on gold
I didn't bring up the gold standard at all. Frick the gold the standard. Those people are idiots.
I said "wealth". It has to be something real. Whatever it is as long as it's real. Even if it's labor that still a form of wealth. Artificially manipulating the market is not real.
Anon, the American government unironically has so much money that it doesn't really matter as long as we make some small interest payments each month. It's kinda the benefit of being both the sole hegemon and the world reserve currency.
>US is too big to fail
Famous last words.
Unlike companies, governments literally can't go bankrupt
>governments literally can't go bankrupt
They can and have
No, state and city governments can go bankrupt, but that isn't the case for the federal government that operates on fiat currency. It's impossible to run out of money when you control the national money supply.
Which is not a bankruptcy, the ruble devalued but they never ran out of it. Bankruptcy happens when you run out of money, and that can only happen with a federal government if your money supply is tied to something material like gold.
>It's impossible to run out of money when you control the national money supply.
jesus christ you homosexuals are actually moronic
Anon, devaluing the money is not the same thing as running out of it. You can always print more.the government can't go bankrupt because it only promised to hand over a certain number of dollars; it didn't promise what the value of those dollars would be.
No I'm pretty sure WW1 is why WW2 happened.
>No I'm pretty sure WW1 is why WW2 happened.
No, it's when the winners said to the losers "And now you have to pay us lots of money for losing WW1." and the German government said "No problem! We control the money supply so we'll just prints lots of cash!" and then you needed a wheelbarrow full of German money to buy a loaf a bread so you had a completely broke nation with a currency not worth a damn and that paved the way for Hitler to gain power.
>It's impossible to run out of money when you control the national money supply.
That sort of thinking is literally why WWII happened.
government can default.
The Russian financial crisis (also called the ruble crisis or the Russian flu) began in Russia on 17 August 1998. It resulted in the Russian government and the Russian Central Bank devaluing the ruble and defaulting on its debt. The crisis had severe impacts on the economies of many neighboring countries.
Nta but speaking as someone born in the Soviet Union, the '98 crisis was the result of trying to change from a command economy to maximum capitalism at the speed of light when it suddenly meant you had to pay off the debt. But paying off the debt wasn't something the central planning committees ever really had to do so suddenly they had to pay off something they never were designed to pay off. Source on how it worked before
https://echelon.pl/nikolay-shmelyov-avansy-i-dolgi-credits-and-debts-novyi-mir-1987-6.html
>BG3 sold something like 22 million copies
source?
https://steamdb.info/app/1086940/charts/
On steam alone, it's somewhere between 6.6m to 29m because different metrics are used by different people and no I don't know how they do it. And that is only one platform, even if it's the biggest one for PC.
>On steam alone, it's somewhere between 6.6m to 29m
steamdb doesn't measure sales
did you just pull this shit out of your ass?
>steamdb doesn't measure sales
It does however measure ownership, even if that includes refunds.
>did you just pull this shit out of your ass?
No I also looked up news articles and tried to find more recent ones because articles on sales figures from August isn't very useful on how well it's sold now
>It does however measure ownership
and its not accurate at all
https://steamdb.info/app/1623730/charts/
there are no official sales numbers for BG3
Do you actually, genuinely believe the game hasn't really solid millions of copies and wasn't a giant success for the company?
What does that have to do with anything?
You lied about it selling 22million copies and now you're trying to cover your ass. Why lie about something so easy to disprove to begin with?
It obviously was a big success, but you are completely crazy to think it was on the same level as something like TOTK, Elden Ring, Cyberpunk, Hogwarts Legacy, Palworld etc. To think BG 3 came anywhere close to 20 million sold is absolutely delusional. I would be shocked if the game sold more than 10 million copies across all platforms.
So now it's a complete success? Settle on a narrative already.
I know you schizos don't want to admit this, but you aren't talking to just 1 person. I never claimed BG3 was not a big success. I'm just saying the SteamDB numbers are completely unsubstantiated and you are insane if you think BG3 sold anywhere near 20m copies.
Dude you are fricking insane if you believe BG3 sold 29m copies. The game sold 5 million copies including sales made during early access.
>The game sold 5 million copies including sales made during early access.
All the way back in september, you left that part out
Yes and release month is when social media / Streamer driven hype trains make 90% of their sales. Maybe BG3 sold another 1-3 million by now at best.
except bg3 wasnt fotm and continued to top Steam's bestseller list for months afterward. It's #12 on the list now after 6 months.
More people are talking about BG3 compared with Harry Potter and Zelda which both sold 20 million. BG3 easily sold 30 million in comparison since it's a far more popular game than either of those.
>More people are talking about BG3 compared with Harry Potter and Zelda
maybe get out of your echo chamber then?
Ganker isnt an echo chamber and a true litmus test of whether a game is good or not and BG3 kept getting threads months later while nobody is talking about Zelda or Hogwarts Legacy.
No one on Ganker has ever talked about the actual game though. All BG3 threads were just people bragging about the Steam concurrent player numbers with a few waifu gays sprinkled in here and there and the rest of Ganker was making fun of the fetish porn and woke shit that are such a big part of the game. I have never once seen a thread on Ganker that actually talked about cool boss fights, good class builds, interesting items, particular story beats or the endings or anything at all related to the story or gameplay.
>Ganker
>discussing games
sorry friend. if you want that you need to move to reddit
Ganker had countless of threads about Elden Ring where people were actually talking about the game.
Because the amount of people on Ganker who dislike BG3 vastly exceeds the amount of people who like the game. Whenever we have the rare BG1 and BG2 threads, there are always people talking about the actual game. That was before you Larian fanboys started invading those threads because you guys can't accept that anyone would like the old games but hate the new game.
cannot wait to see what /v are going to say helldiver2 after six months.
>Because the amount of people on Ganker who dislike BG3 vastly exceeds the amount of people who like the game.
hah you're really acting like your mentally ill homosexuals are the majority. take your fricking meds already
>I have never once seen a thread on Ganker that actually talked about cool boss fights, good class builds, interesting items, particular story beats or the endings or anything at all related to the story or gameplay.
I have but the threads get shitposted into oblivion all the same.
They're not "helping" in the continuous sense. It's a one-time cash infusion and now they have to send 30% of the revenue back to Tencent forever. That's as much involvement as that means.
>unions
funny how you shoehorned that part in
unions only harm the industry
>we don't have shareholders, except the eternal leader Xi Jinping
You ever think that tencent schizo posting is actually propaganda made by chinese bots themselves trying to make the chinese side look better by making us tired of these moronic schizo posts?
because my god I have never been so tired of seeing so much spam of unreasonable and groundless accusations supported by fricking nothing.
and I mean fricking nothing.
literal months of spam and fearmongering over the "evil chinese controlling Larian" with no actual fricking evidence or fact
not even once.
There's more posts of you samegayging and complaining over your imaginary boogeyman than of said boogeyman.
Can you prove he isn't samegayging? his autism is way too strong
take your meds and touch grass homie
this is literally you
>defends gay sex
>gossips about trannies
>whines about /misc/ and "culture war"
average BG3 player
one was an obvious ragebait thread that I knew was going to get deleted so I said whatever at the time. there's nothing in those posts that's even egregious and I don't post the image often that you think you can recognize me which is even weirder because I'm not a schizo spammer.
>I'm not a schizo spammer
uh huh
???
i really despise all these homosexuals who just cant accept the game is good and fun
and appeals to women so of course it sold pretty well
>and appeals to women
they don't matter unless you're using them as streambait
>and appeals to women
*appeals to men who think they're women
kill all shareholders, problem solved.
The main problems Western videogames (and Westernized companies like Square) have is wokeness and doing movies instead of gameplay focused games.
Japanese developers make great games with crunch and no unions.
that is the problem for /v. your taste doesn't represent all gamers', while others are entitled to love movie games.
>Japanese developers make great games
lol
Jap games are shit. The gameplay is lazy, boring, repetitive crap. They sustain themselves by pandering to losers who care more about how pretty the anime girlies are than how good the game is. The only decent Jap devs, also the only Jap devs that see any real success, are Capcom and Nintendo. Well, I say "Capcom" but it's really just "Resident Evil". Kind of like From isn't worth a damn outside of rehashing Souls over and over and over again.
>Just resident evil
Monster Hunter also makes a shit ton of money
Also, rehashing a tried and true formula isn't a bad thing for gameplay oriented games. People who like that style of game will continue to buy / enjoy it.
Do you think that 2d Mario platformers are bad just because they're similar?
why bg3 vermins can't take criticism ?
>muh schizo, muh mutt, muh tourist
we are past level of furries of mental isuess, BG3 drones spammed their shity game for months last year, meta critic score, porn, twitter spam, steam numbers etc, now if you shit on their game they throw a tantrum, why are europoors like that?
can't wait for Larian to go the same path like CD projekt, pride comes before a fall, they deserve it for having such a cancerous fanbase
>why bg3 vermins can't take criticism ?
>ESL
Why do shitskins hate this game so much? Is it because Larian's team and Sven are as white as freshly fallen snow?
???
Larian is ESL too moronic amerimutt
>belgium
>esl
So is it really an inferiority complex thing? Do you mudslimes hate being reminded of your place in the hierarchy that much?
>belgium
>not esl
most intelligent amerimutt
>european country
>esl
You're probably thinking of UK which is India 2.0 now
>doesn't even know what ESL means
how brown are you amerishart?
>shitskin still trying to claim a white, pure european country is esl
It's anathema to you, isnt it?
>israelites pushing degeneracy don't count as white
Right. israelites arent white. Belgians are.
>I learned english this makes me white
This is you amerimutt
>shitskin invader SEETHING at the white country he couldnt corrupt or co-opt
Love to see it. So I was right, it really is jealous rage about your inferiority that drives you to pull successful whites down
bro, do you think your idol Swen would approve of these comments you are making? Despite Larian being an entirely white developer team, they made BG3 one of the most racially diverse and inclusive games ever. Almost every other human NPC in the game is brown or black. The protagonist Player Character they chose to market the game in gameplay trailers was a black woman. Larian famously made a post being disappointed that their playerbase is too white. I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve with this new strategy of acting like a racist in order to defend ultra woke anti-racists.
>Despite Larian being an entirely white developer team,
So you do admit Larian is entirely white. Why are you seething at a successful white dev team? Are you a traitor or a shitskin?
>Larian famously made a post being disappointed that their playerbase is too white.
L M A O definitely a shitskin.
Go ahead, post that blog about Larian seething at players not using the character customizer. You wont, since it would decimate your grift
Why would I care about the fact that Larian are all white? Most self-hating left wingers are white, that's not exactly a secret or a new revelation. The question is why are you acting like a bigot trying to win an argument that you don't even believe in yourself? We both know you love the fact that BG3 is one of the most racially diverse games ever and is beloved by the LGBT community for representing them more than any other game has.
>didnt post the blog
See? Called it. You shitskins are ao predictable in your destructive jealousy. That crabs in a bucket mentality is exactly why you dont have functional, clean cities witih working toilets
You completely evaided the point I made about Larian holding the exact opposite political opinions that you are pretending to hold. I accept your concession.
>So you do admit Larian is entirely white. Why are you seething at a successful white dev team?
>omg they're all white!!!
So? They're all woke cucks who hate white people and actually thought the RPG fan community is full of black people and minorities, then got mindbroken by the fact that it was mostly white men.
mindbroken indeed
They don't hate white people, just uneducated uncultured white trash like yourself
whatever you say semite
Then why did they act so suprised that white men play a game in a genre for white men? Why did they keep using Black folk and cringe OC's in promotional material instead?
what
>Dude whaaaaaat? Why do our players keep making white male characters? Where are all the black tiefling OC's?
so according to this thread we should hate the majority white developer team, who cares about keeping their talent and isn't bound to listen to any external publisher or shareholders because...?
Because they're all white leftists puritans that made a pozzed game?
what
It's a product released by the 7 man cuck squad who are terminally afraid of any actual sex appeal & feminity ever since they were forced to tell the woman on the divinity original sin cover to cover up and stop showing so much skin.
farquaad
Farquaad would clap for this because he's a ragging homosexual that hates women.
Surely that will borne out with migrants who work together regardless, while happily accepting their charity
>jealous shitskins so furious that I wont humor their larp that they're letting the mask slip
It never gets old seeing you vermin reveal your true nature out of sheer primal rage at successful whites.
>shitskin still trying to claim a white, pure european country is esl
lots of them are tho
why are the black people doing that in the street
That's just a normal American pasttime, anon.
I almost feel sorry for amerimutts but then I realize they deserve everything they get.
Ever heard two brits talk to eachother?
Are you gonna pretend you understood anything that came out of their yellowed teeth,sluring&drooling, inbred mouthes?
holy reddit
israelites pushing degeneracy don't count as white.
And none of those threads are talking about the gameplay, just what character they want to frick or the fricking bear face and "owning the chuds." BG3 is a shit game held up by homosexuals and trannies.
Frick I was worried we would've had most of the people defending yuropoor dev's commie views.
This board still has hope.
what a bizzare falseflag
>WE DON'T HAVE SHAREH*LDERS
what about ten chinks?
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT!
because they claimed Tencent made their investment to support vidya and never worry/think about return.
Larian is pretty based
No, they're full of shit is what they are.
It's not like they've never made a game before BG3. They've been around for a long time churning out trash nobody cared about. It's only after a huge publicly traded multinational corporation infused them with massive amounts of capital were they able to make BG3 with the assistance of nearly 30 other external studios. They're running around pretending to be a small indie studio that made this game all by themselves. It's nonsense.
I can only hope they're know they're lying with this bullshit otherwise it means they're deluded which is probably worse than being devious.
This is capitalism, I thought you CHUDS wanted this. Or is capitalism too "woke" for you now?
What are you talking about? Both Larian and the developers they criticize are capitalists. Who the frick is complaining about capitalism here you fricking freak?
>Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money
how would they know?
>We don't have shareholders
Then you don't have a company, moron.
It has been 6 months and Ganker is still raging at this successful game they couldn't tortanic.
>muh tortanic
Are you really saying we aren't allowed to make fun of shitty games just because they're successful? How fricking new are you to this place? BG3 is the Skyrim of cRPGs, a massive success, but at the same time the single most shallow and overrated game in the genre.
most of this thread is schizoposting about how larian is actually the secret chinese puppet of xi chingchong and you homosexuals actually truly believe this cope
No, most of those posts just point out that Tencent holds a 30% stake in the company, which is a fact. You guys are the ones who are weird about it and pretend that Tencent are a charity organization that is investing in companies out of their love for gaming or something.
> Tencent holds a 30% stake in the company, which is a fact.
yes that is a FACT
BUT the only reason you post that FACT in the first place is BECAUSE of said schizo poster who uses it to imply that Larian is a secret chinese puppet.
People then point out that Tencent stake gives them no voting rights on Larians board.
then YOU homosexuals get mad at that FACT and try to argue against it.
it doesn't
>pretend that Tencent are a charity organization that is investing in companies out of their love for gaming or something.
They invested in Larian because they figured it would pay off, and they were right.
Sure, they prefer ruining games to squeeze a few extra bucks out of their corpses, but profit is the end goal and they don't need control to get it.
nta, The crpg "renaissance" has been a decade long mid-off between companies one wrong bet away from bankruptcy.
I haven't played BG3 yet, but it's probably not much worse than Pillars or an InXile game.
At least now these companies can actually go to their overlords and demand a decent budget, with BG3's success in mind.
I'm not saying BG3 is bad, I'm not saying Skyrim is bad either. Both games are perfectly serviceable 6/10 games. The issue is that people pretend they are 10/10 masterpieces.
This is the reason most things suck the way they do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
tldr: US companies are forced to always put the interests of shareholders first over their employees and customers.
They don't do that because of a fricking law, shit-for-brains.
what the frick do you think the punishment would even be? You realize laws have to enforced to actually exist, right?
Shareholders can sue you. But it is pretty hard to prove that a company intentionally torpedoed themselves. Usually failures don't happen with people willfully planning for it and leaving evidence of this to boot.
>what the frick do you think the punishment would even be
elon musk got sued(and lost) recently BECAUSE of that law moron
why do you people spout nonsense about things you know less than nothing about?
>corporations would be humanitarian angels if only it weren't for the big bad gummymen
not buying it.
who are you quoting schizoid
>tldr: US companies are forced to always put the interests of shareholders first over their employees and customers.
this is some "please massa, don't throw me in no briar patch" shit.
>>tldr: US companies are forced to always put the interests of shareholders first over their employees and customers.
Thats the objective truth and provably enforced by the SEC
Anything else you're attaching to it is just your schizophrenic delusion
>it's delusional to claim that companies would still do bad things to make money witbout the government "forcing them"
ok lol
Did you read the article? Ford wanted to pump his employees' salaries, but Dodge stopped him because they wanted that money for themselves.
>mister Ford's a good boy who dindu nuffin
I do not believe you. Why do you extend this clemency to corporations and not black people?
Something got your panties in a bunch, Shlomo?
He was notorious for being good to his employees. Certainly not the standard globalist psychopath in charge you see today
This cum guzzling houseBlack person mentality is how we get drips like Elon Musk.
Go work out your daddy issues elsewhere.
No, Musk is a verifiable demon. He's set up to capture the "right" in the 2024 honeytrap of standard neocon policy disguise. A repeat of 2015.
All of his real beliefs are completely synonymous with internationalists, and holds exclusive contracts with what the party would have then labeled the "deep state"
Elon Musk is a leftist why would he capture the "right"?
>corporate cum-drinkers derail a anticapitalism thread with racewar cringe
Many such cases!
Larian is very fat now. It costs a lot to keep all those people aboard. The real test for Sven is if he can put those people to productive work or lay them off if he can't put them to use right now.
Not just now. What most people fail to mention is that BG3 had a bigger budget and had more people working on it than the majority of triple A releases.
Strip down the woke assembly line and dial up microtransactions for triple A slop for the trough?
>Gankertards can't comprehend not enjoying a certain genre
>game of said genre is successful
>NOOOOOOOO TRUMPBlack personMAN SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
who are you quoting schizo
your obese mother who i fricked last night b***h
why are you seething tho
im drunk and tried of seeing the same exact Black folk spam the same exact talking point for the past 8 months, opease fricking kill youirself homosexual Black person
Ganker OMG I HATE POZZED GAMES RELEASE BY PURITANS SO MUCH!!!
Also Ganker when they see a pozzed game released by puritans:
frick that, all corporate devs should be chained down in a basements and given only water and bread
if they don't meet their quota cattle prod them
I think the woke crowd might enjoy that too much. Threaten them with sermons
Larian already became a bunch of pretentious hacks that smell their own farts lol also they are lying
>261 / 26 / 97 / 1
is this another one of farquaad's tantrums?
Kudos to them. Getting a shit load of shareholder money just so you have to suck them off for the rest of your companys life is the biggest, dumbest meme move you can make. Then you aren't making games in a healthy "we got enough money from the last game, let's try to make the next game even better" way. Instead you are running on a neverending hamster wheel where a bunch of parasites are screaming at you that you aren't making enough money and perhaps you should sack a couple of people and sell your ass every tuesday so the suitdicks can get 0.7% more value.
Hats of the devs not jumping on that wheel. We need more like them.
>game devs stand up against giant corporations
>Ganker, in an effort to be contrarian, says that's bad and defends the giant corporations
lmao
>is a giant corporation
>"its actually standing up to giant corporations"
average leftist intelligence
now go wave that raytheon flag at your pride parade
>director of publishing
this guy has no job but to spend his jolly king's money to market the game. the studio would not exist without their hail mary kickstart of Original Sin and BG3 would not have become what it did without presale funding to let them press on despite covid hysteria. there's no free lunch and this scribbled up 501boi is all to proud to shit out his ignorance for all to see. bet he sucked off the piece of shit who designed the final boss fight too
so according to this thread we should hate the majority white developer team, who cares about keeping their talent and isn't bound to listen to any external publisher or shareholders because...?
>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
Not necessarily
>past
>small teams
>low budgets
>soulful games
>now
>large companies
>frickhueg budgets
>soulless slop
>future
>...
Notice any pattern here? Larian is not an exception to this
>past
>small teams
>low budgets
They had good budgets. Suits bankrolled big developments but didn't interfere with the creative process.
They started to some time around the late 00s when most "safe" vidya formats matured.
And what do they spend nowadays? :^)
Yeah, budgets got bigger, no one denies that and having to develop for HD is big reason for that. But how much did they get bigger PROPORTIONALLY?
Considering how much larger the industry is as compared to 30 years ago I think they're getting massively overinflated, companies such as ubisoft, blizzard etc.
They start sniffing their own farts, stop making games and end up making products instead
Larian will meet the same fate if they don't keep themselves in check
>low budgets
Square spent 100 million on marketing alone for FF7, and that was a PS1 game.
>Square spent 100 million on marketing alone for FF7
no they didn't lmao
the only source of this claim is an eurogamer article which itself has no source for this claim and later polygon actually interviewed the US marketing team for it and got a figure of 10 million for US.
Reminder that capitalism and the resulting greed and hedonism is destroying humanity.
better than letting some moronic freak who believes they're some kind of moral authority because of how much they post on twitter tell everyone on earth what to do
at least with capitalism we all have a chance and a choice
the cult of californian cultural imperialism will not win
It's not ideal but nothing has destroyed more humanity than communism. As long as you aren't advocating for that, we can come to terms
I'm advocating for people to not be pieces of shit. Fairy tale ideal world bullshit, you know the drill.
Yeah, that's not happening without a strict religion that rewards it. Best you can do is incentivize good behavior and hold people responsible
where's the shinzo abe destroyer when you need him
Good for them but Im still not playing their ugly bastardisation of BG.
> No shareholders.
>holdings company in Ireland
So they're tax dodgers. Ireland is a tax haven.
If they still have the majority, it really doesnt matter, boi
As long as tencent owns your company's shares you can't really go against them or you won't be able to sell shit to Chinese players. So yes, you think about not offending China or Chinese Values too much.
>If you don't work in tencent's interest, they are going to pull out
I love how it aways shifts to this angle once they fail to convince anyone of the TENCENT OWNS LARIAN fud
>Tencent will pull out
And Larian has no reason to care. Why would they? They made Goty 23. A minority shareholder pulling out means they'll get another if they want to
No, that's not really factual
Keep repeating that though, maybe someday you'll manage to convince dumb zoomers to join your crusade
You don't get the point, I don't want to support tencent which is the Chinese Microsoft equivalent also gayer.
Remember when you said that Swen made palworld
>one single holdings company
Is this what startrannies have been seething over throughout 2023?
But Neil Cuckmann said he doesn't like "fun" in his "video games".
And his game wasn't fun, at least he lived up to his beliefs.
>we will persevere as an industry.
"We shall see about that." -in Emp. Palpatine voice
game developers always hate big publisher like Sony because they usually have their own vision for gaming. But most of time publisher vision are supported by big data collected from users, while game developers just want to make games they love and put their reputation on their bet.
I know some people don't like hearing this, but sometimes the devs are just fricking wrong and need to be told they're wrong. While Ride to Hell is funny, it is the direct result of no one telling you you're wrong.
Larian games unironically need more crunch, they always need 6-12 months post launch to iron the most basic bugs and add missing features
For whatever reason that's just been a problem with CRPGs since the late 2000s. They still have nothing on Owlcat in terms of games being bug-filled and blatantly unfinished.
TENCENT DOESNT have rulership in LARIAN stop replying to the Black folk who post the same image daily.
Still financially back by commie money.
WTF
it's so funny how data doesn't matter to these people you can show them time and time again that men care about games more than women and they will argue til they are blue in the face
swen should fire his ass. this literally who publishing director gets a golden chance to humbly represent the company's success but chooses to go all in on botched virtue signaling and act like he knows anything about the industry outside of his sheltered job that had nothing to do with the quality of the game, let alone running a business
>CCP defense force invading the thread
Wrap it up bros, it's over.
>muh CCP boogeyman
>tencent owns 30%
>picrel
pure coincidence fellow gamers
>it wasnt the woke as frick wotc that made them do this
>it was the chinese minority shareholder
>I am very smart
>STOP NOTICING
0.01 yuan added to your account
>"Many, many people were let go at the start of this year. I want you to know that you are all talented, and that you matter, and that you are the future of this industry
lmao
Oh boy, another day, another thread full of schizophrenic moronation about BG3. I guess the other threads 404'd.
>he gave money to communists
Are you not ashamed of yourself right now?
i like how at this point people who say "bg3 is shit" just get ignored and the discussion continues
being a contrarian doesnt make you cool, it never has
>why yes, I love being cucked by homosexual druid bears who then frick my own ass as well, how could you tell?
>popular thing = good
>i am an individual
>
here you go anon, it's okay to like good things that everyone else thinks is good too
doesnt make you a sheep
>tencent having shares in a studio means the games are woke
>a CHINESE fricking company having shares in a studio means the games are woke
my fricking god, some of you morons are beyond mentally ill
China literally censors Ugly and Black people on its movie posters.
Yet pushes those things to western releases of the same movies and video games whoever receives their funding?
Holy copium.
> Game pushes homosexuality and bestiality day 1.
> NOOO IT DOESN'T PUSH WOOOKE!
Hello vaush.
>do gay shit ingame
>complain about gay shit
>never play the game
>just repeat what Ganker schizos say about it and act like you know what you're talking about
have a nice day
The point is that the game is horny not because of Chinas meddling but because DND nerds are perverts.
Also if you think this is something new you haven't played older Larian games.
> Game is horny.
Shut up c**t, they are constantly railing about homosexualry in the west but continue funding said companies pushing gayottry and just censors the homosexualry out of their versions.
D&D has been played for generations before the woke was a thing that ruined it by horny teenagers that couldn't get laid and old geezers and fat old men from war gaming hobbies (grognards) you wouldn't know even the bit of D&D history I do.
Ah so thats why they cut their speech instead of bullshit " you got two minutes"
>385 / 42 / 141 / 1
>We don't have shareholders
>Literally has shareholders
Really makes you think.
Have you guys noticed how desperately one autist is posting his MUH TENCENT 30% PRESSURE narrative repeatedly despite being proven wrong?
This is a leftist tactic. Scream the same wrong thing over and over, louder ans louder drowning out everyone else, then claim it's the truth.
I expect he'll make a post about how "all those different anons" agree with him soon.
>Scream the same wrong thing over and over, louder ans louder drowning out everyone else, then claim it's the truth.
You mean like the devs screaming that they don't have shareholders when they obviously do?
>when they obviously do?
yeah, those majority shareholders Sven Vinke and his wife, how could I forget the founders and owners of the private company
>yeah, those majority shareholders Sven Vinke and his wife, how could I forget the founders and owners of the private company
And Tencent, you know, their shareholders.
We need to stop paying people vastly more than others, the cleaner should earn at most 20% less than the CEO.
we need incentives to make people work better,; the problem is that lower pay is a better incentives since when you give increases its a bigger % of initial pay. high wages are actually worse for incentives since they re already so unecessarily rich and the bonuses are a small % of their total assets. give them 5k, and a 5k bonus if they work very well, now thats a huge incentive. shareholders dont understand relativity because investors are stupid people who think they re smart
My experience working is that who does the best work at a workplace has literally nothing to do with how much they are paid, very rarely do the good people get promoted, it's the narcissistic liar who climbs the ranks.
I'm in tech and that's not my experience at all. There's always, always that 10-20% maintaining the whole fricking thing since day 1 that knows the system inside out and everything goes on fire the moment they to get out of the door. It's so fricking bad.
>new top management comes
>doesn't understand the product
>cut a lot of high paying dudes
>few guys above me get the boot
>the ones that stay automatically start interviewing in other companies
>my backlog start to fill with system parts that I didn't even know they existed
>all hell breaks loose months after
It happened twice already and I'm fricking tired.
>we
you don't pay people shit
can't believe that there are Ganker gays who will fall for the "we are the good guys, goy" and "shareholders don't have a say unless they own >50%"
>Need money to fund our small indie team long enough to go full-time and finish our title
>No publishers will fund it
>Frick it, we'll make something smaller and use that to get funding
Wish us luck bros, we're sprinting to get this whole small game done is just 2 months dev time and we're on track
If Larian was 30% owned by EA or Ubisoft people would still be pointing this out either way. Why is it wrong to point out how they're owned by Tencent when in the article itself they are looking down at companies for having shareholders when they themselves have one.
Because as long as company has 50%+1 stocks all shareholders are irrelevant to the game making process, as any board meeting will end with company owner voting for himself and winning the vote. Tencent share is also preferential, which means they aren't even presented in board meeting and can't be. It doesn't really matter who would own such share, ea, ubi, microsoft, sony, tencent, whatever, none would have any control over the company and would only get a part of income according to the owned share size. In the article they are looking at publicly traded companies, which do not own 50%+1 of their own stock and so can't force a decision against investors. Also, a big difference between publicly traded company and privately traded one is who stocks can be sold to. E.g. Tencent can only sell larian share back to larian and only at a price larian wants to buy. If larian was a publicly traded company Tencent would be able to do a hostile actions - since it would be able to sell shares to anyone at any price they want, they could force decisions against Sven will by threatening to sell their stock at small price to someone else ruining company's market value, so when they need money for the next game they would need to sell bigger % of their stock to someone.
>>"Many, many people were let go at the start of this year.
good
>you are all talented, and that you matter, and that you are the future of this industry.
literally none of that is true, they were fired for being useless and having no skills or talent
I personally know good engineers that I've worked with that got fired, you're wrong. Often the people making the decision who to fire have never worked with any of them and wouldn't even know what the job entails nor how good any of the fired people were at it. They just look at a spreadsheet and fire people until the numbers are green.
These “good engineers” never spoke out against the troon menace, so they deserved to be fired
Fire everyone that allows degeneracy and incompetence to spread
How many times did you raise the troon menace in your own job? Do you even have a job?
I run a motel in North Dakota, any time I see a Black person or troon (not often) I make sure to give horrible service
You are going out of your way to annoy people who never did anything wrong against you. That's sad, man.
No one wants to be around your corpse-smelling neovegana, troon
ywnbaw frick off
yeah but they also worked on BG3 for like 5-6 years or some shit. all that for 1 game that people still found bugs and issues and shit in. that's not really sustainable in the current climate for all big game dev companies
> 5-6 years or some shit
Haven't long development times become rather standard for big games and big companies?
Larian is anti-white
Good. Only morons like suits
>Many, many people were let go at the start of this year. I want you to know that you are all talented
All of them? You know that for a fact?
>you can't just fire people that's heckin unwholesome! 🙁
>dude we're so le based and le pro consumer
Yeah we've seen this movie before we know how it ends
Leftoids like to blame shareholders or capitalism for games being garbage, but Larian proves that even without shareholders their games are soulless, propaganda filled corposlop.
Now leave, shoo
/misc/ website, you troony freak
Poor poltroonie
It's /vg/ website and has been for years already. Sorry you're irrelevant. Now back to containment board. Shoo.
The gamergate board?
Cope.
I cen smell your despair. Don't worry. Everything will be worse. For you that is
/vg/ lost
>gachashit
Back to Tumblr
Ganker is /misc/ clay.
>Its time to pay video game devs
and whos going to pay them? you got bloated studios, bloated budgets for mediocre games that don't sell nearly enough
Larian is a few of the lucky ones, classic survivor bias
All other devs have to scale down - and that means firing people (half of whom are useless diversity hires and such anyway)
>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
That‘s why Nintendo is as successful as they are right now and also the reason why TotK sold 20 million copies already, which is four times as much as the mediocre BG3.
a large majority of the big game companies have done everything else but put out good games while i do want a lot better treatment of devs in the industry i'd be lying if i didn't say a lot of this shit is well deserved
Larian owns Tencent
the entirety of China is currently working on Baldur's Gate 4 in secret
That's novel take, king
Are you CIA?
He's completely right
Shareholders are simply people that own a share of the company.
They invest their money with the company, entrusting the company with their money, and expect them to use this investment to earn them some profit.
That is the foundation of capitalism. without owners, hoe can a company even exist and function?
These people are airheads.
>without owners, hoe can a company even exist and function?
A company can have owners without being publicly traded and without all the owners coming from the public ownership auction house.
And Larian is privately owned, 30% excluded.
The way i see it, once a company goes public, is very easy for shareholders to interfere with the creative process
Is like a having a relatively small, very successful restaurant, and the shareholders want to turn it into McDonalds because "it makes more money"
Why does the tencent schizo only sperg out about Larian and not the other two thirds of the gaming industry that they've got their hands in?
>other two thirds of the gaming industry that they've got their hands in?
hmm, i don't remember League gays spamming for example Ganker for months with shitty threads and throwing a tantrum and call everyone who doesn't suck Riot wiener a pajeet/tourist, like how BG3 drones did in the last 6 months
That's why a lot dislike europoors, they make a decent game and then they can't stfu for years, i guess this happen when everything else you make is called eurojank, animation from 2004 in a game from 2024
>BG3
Not my cup of tea but good for them.
They're right though, look at Helldivers 2. the game exploded because it's just dumb fun to play. Compare this to the lazy "AAAA" trashheap that is Skull n Bones.
Studio owners pay the studios. to cast the owners as the bad guys for firing workers is a scummy move.
>>"Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it."
Then why the hell BG3 is a fricking snoozefest?
>Building games that are actually fun is going to make you the most money, that's it
This is absolutely rights no matter if the morons are seething.