Your asking how people who are getting excited to play fricking Cataclysm again if they get tired of bad things? Your mistake was thinking you wanted this planet with fellow humans
Very weird opinion
Cataclysm had good raids, and many others nice features that would be nice to experience again
Especially compared to garbage like wotlk that people only praised because it was their first expack
>Cataclysm had good raids, and many others nice features that would be nice to experience again
you can experience them at any time you want in retail and you have been for the last 15 years since its the default levelling option
what is this false narrative that cata somehow went away
>you can experience them at any time you want in retail and you have been for the last 15 years since its the default levelling option
What?
You can experience cata raids?
Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd?
Heroics?
Best version of talent trees?
Game without scalling?
Also neither burning crusade or wotlk content went away
Feels like you never played game you are talking about >bbbbut my favorite streamer assmongol told me that classic died with wotlk isn't that cool, his first expansion was wotlk so he knows what he's talking about
not an argument
>What? >You can experience cata raids? >Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd? >Heroics? >Best version of talent trees? >Game without scalling?
So not the actual content itself, you just want slightly different balance to retail? Are you moronic? >Also neither burning crusade or wotlk content went away
And likewise, releasing those was fricking moronic too, evidenced by the fact that they died 3 weeks after opening
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>doing dungeons and raids aren't content
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cata dungeons and raids don't exist in retail
lol
literally unchanged
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literally unchanged >Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd?
Hmmm
So not only are you a moron who only watches streamers, but you are also illiterate.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>revamped rfc, sm and bfd
is that what you call it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can't actually do level squished raids. They did not even try to balance them.
Even if somehow you gathered up a bunch of level 35s to run Dragon Soul it would be either unbelievably easy or impossibly hard.
Vanilla died with vanilla. Wow was only good between 2004 and 2006.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
at least your opinion is acceptable
It's stupid because even vanilla was different game between patches, but acceptable.
Much better than the opinions of wotlk babies.
Yeah, because people level stop at cata just to dive into the old raids at appropriate level and without OP heirloom gear. Happens all the time. Or do you mean oneshotting everything as max lvl character when you say "experiene"? Are you moronic?
>Yeah, because people level stop at cata just to dive into the old raids at appropriate level and without OP heirloom gear. Happens all the time.
What's stopping you?
I've said it a million times and ill say it again. People who play "classic" wow will play anything that blizzard puts the word "classic" on. If "classic" shadow lands released today, they'd play it and praise it.
Wanting to play classic cataclysm is moronic because it's literally this awkward in-between vanilla wow and modern wow. If you like a leveling walking sim, classic does that, and if you like the raids, well you're literally coping because modern wow does it better. Then again these are the dip shits still trying to convince people "classic wow was hard!"
>How do people not get tired of these ugly armor designs? I feel like I’ve seen this same design 500 times now
There are people who think WoW has good art and that the art team "is really good". The only way you can see how terrible the blizzard house style is in reality is to be away from it for a while.
wow's engine is like 20 years old at this point and a lot of stuff in the game is hamstrung by that. That's why so much armor is just 2d body paint and 'robes' are basically a long tube like dress. Pauldrons are pretty much the only place they can put 3d meshes which is why so many sets are super overdesigned in that department.
they pretend it's an engine limitation but they have 3D armor in the game, it obviously doesn't have to be bodypaint
they just don't want to put in the work
But that's an actual artistic design choice. They wanted each of the job armors to look very similar to one another conceptually, but have enough unique pieces that they can be put together and carry their differences. All of the WAR sets can literally be put together in any order you want as a result of it, as well as most PLD sets.
>But that's an actual artistic design choice
Nah it's laziness, I perfectly get that they are trying to follow a main direction but it doesn't mean that AF gears should ALWAYS have the same elements/feature . >They wanted each of the job armors to look very similar to one another conceptually, but have enough unique pieces that they can be put together and carry their differences
The same could be said about most Tier set with the matching colors.
Just look at monk tier set.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it doesn't mean that AF gears should ALWAYS have the same elements/feature .
It literally does. The point is that the job armor sets look familiar and similar. It wouldn't make sense for a DNC to just randomly have random armor plates and be heavily covered in leather battle attire because their lore is that they wear almost nothing both to allure and capitvate an audience, but also to not have their clothes tangle up as they dance. SMN attires are based on regional/historical traditional summoning clothes, which actually do change fairly regularly throughout the tiers other than the horn. DRK armor is literally from a specific order of knighthood, and if it radically changed, it would imply the knighthood's core philosophies radically changed, which would break the beauty of the DRK storyline. The similarities between the sets pay off in more ways than one, and even though they are "similar", none of them are "identical".
Yeah, this is a new grand finale of the story! But yeah, they keep reinventing things just to show the features or shit for the audience because there's nothing else to show.
For example, how many times have they reworked crafting and leveling?
Unironically though. If I had a month of being in charge at blizzard I could make the game better than it's ever been. Shorter quest lines that have better gameplay such as going though a dungeon with jumping and puzzles and semi challenging but soloable bosses. Relevant challenging end game for the solo player like mage tower 2 but u get a myth tier piece out of it because better players should be rewarded and ofc a mount for beating some type of challenge mode included. I'd also include a scenario similar to the intro to BFA for some alternative group content. Ultimately the game needs more soloable but satisfying content for players to enjoy when they aren't doing the standard beats. I'd then redesign raids to be bosses only, literally no one wants to fight trash in a raid. I haven't played the current season but bullions are a step on the right direction
All complete dogshit and further kills the MMO aspect, good job you subhuman shitskin >Ultimately the game needs more soloable but satisfying content
It does not, it needs more guild content and less solo slop >I haven't played the current season but bullions are a step on the right direction
Complete opposite direction, it continues to make gearing boring and kills raiding interest 3 weeks into a tier
>wake up in the form you always wanted >despite bastion teaching letting go of your past self to discourage prejudice carrying over into the afterlife, you cling to the fact you used to be other >this means you never complete your training, your lack of advancement leads to bitterness >turn to radicalisation when they offer you an easier path, despite knowing it's wrong >wind up getting put in a dress for all eternity as your reward for not really doing much at all
Was this anti trans propaganda all along?
Yes. Pelagos literally isn't transgender. He's 100% biologically male with a working blue penis and everything. He was a woman with body dysphoria in life, and the only cure was death.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
But that's the issue, he woke up in his ideal body, 100% male due to magic, and yet the fact that he used to be a lady was so prevalent in his mind it couldn't be erased despite the rest of his past life going away, it became a thorn in his mind that halted all progress. The message seems to be "it won't fix your problems, the sense of wrongness will remain"
as a xivgay i don't really give a frick about wow 'stealing' anything from xiv, especially since yoship has said that xiv is very derivative of wow
retail wow is awful enough already and doesn't seem to be getting any better, blizzard announcing 3 expansions at once essentially confirms they'll all be the same slop. if you want to go after wow there are much better arguments
that;s unironically how soul dies. i'm grateful the nu devs at nu blizzard saved me from my wow addiction, i'll never think about playing that garbage ever again.
WoW is shit mainly because it’s community consists of a bunch of either obese or skeleton thin neckbeard metasheep that can’t handle any kind of frick up or wipe and must always play whatever the biggest DPS is and demand you do too. At least in XIV you can have a moron like that nuked by the jannies if they start spouting off.
If you played the game you'd know how moronic you sound. Stop getting your opinions from a twitch streamer. Your average wow player is trash and isn't meta slaving. Unless you're pushing 4k io (you're not) then meta is completely irrelevant and has never stopped anyone from playing the game
The only real gate keeping I've ever seen is in classic wow which ironically could be completed in your sleep. I've always played off meta in retail and easily push over 3k. Not sure why I'm responding to your autistic LARP
Bit of a stretch and I'm an FF fan. If any fanbase should be pissed about outright theft it's Guild Wars 2 players. Blizzard is getting credit for dragon riding as if they invented it when it's been in GW2 for years and much better.
I think most wow players know it's not an original idea. Dragon riding doesn't make the game, it's just a fun extra thing to have, that's why even if gw2 has better dragonriding it doesnt matter cause its a shit game
Because there's no need to make WoW 2. They've still got a healthy population they're happy with, that's willing to play any expansion they put out. Then you got the nostalgia tards who get milked replaying those expansions when they hit cata. Then you got the vanilla tards who'll just play Vanilla until they have a heart attack in their retirement homes.
Because new game can fail
Also blizzard attitude changed from their oldschool 90's style "even soccer moms should play and enjoy the game" changed to "cybersports pandering"
>classic proved nothing
it proved classic was shallow trash and you will never be able to cope your way out of it >classic wasn't even remotely close to the vanilla experience
Yes it was, it was authentic and exposed vanilla as pure goyslop, which is why you like it so much
actually Blizzard "leaked" their subscriber count timeline and Classic is still basically 80% of the playerbase despite it getting no updates or anything
people would rather gear up their 5th Warrior tank in vanilla or TBC than play with furries in Retail
>Classic is still basically 80% of the playerbase
absolutely delusional classicboomer cope
Nobody is playing classic, the sub chart crashed harder after classic launch than it did in WoD because as soon as people actually go into classic they realized it sucked ass
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wow I love retail now
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why would the sub count crash if they could just go play...
Shadowlands....
Lmao you idiot
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Classic hard carries retail and it's not even really close. To deny this is stupidity.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>classic hard carries
bro SoD phase 3 is dead already.
Vanilla WoW is a good game it did what it was supposed to be: be an online world made by nerds for nerds.
>WoW was a genuinely good game from 2004-2010.
classic has proved this false
>classic is vanilla
Classic is a botfarm with gdkp and sweaties who lived inside the dungeons and bought chinkgold, undirecly sponsored by blizzard to rush to 60. If you were left out of the golden age it's your fault.
The only valid argument is how the dev team was moronic enough to give tigole and co a platform who is a "renowned" developer for some reason and morons love him. He and his little israeli inner circle is the responsible why things turned into shit.
A lot of people, including you don't understand that the vanilla dev team was replaced the moment WoW hit the shelves, and many hated the shit out of tigole, even back then as he was a rat. The design in TBC just reeks from bad zones, raidlogging, shitty hallway dungeons, crap quests, retcons, and poopsock autism, and I have a heavy suspicion his hand was in bowing down to chinks to have a pretty horde race too.
I fricking hate how blizzdrones worship him.
As cringy as this pic it gives you an overall jest.
Tigole indeed contributed to a lot of bad shit, but remember during vanilla he was pretty tame, and TBC is essentially his expansion. Back then it was not that much of a big deal even in TBC, because as a newbie you still have the 1-60 journey, there is not that much info on the net either, and even if you are max level, people didn't knew exactly knew what to do and where to go. Most players didn't even knew raiding exists, they just played the game because it was fun and still new.
Sweaties were a very low minority, who actually aimed for endgame, but now they are voice of reason now, half of them into transitioning.
it's pretty grim that dragonflight of all expansions had on average far better tier sets than the woman within is currently touting in their first tier: the tier that needs to draw people in
they're probably banking on people to use the zone world quest armor or whatever it is with the crusader vibes
but this is literally raid gear. how can you justify just dropping the ball on it and not caring at all
i mean come on at least try a little yknow
When the unreal engine play-doh slop tries to be somewhat serious its always ends up goofy. What a fricking pile of shit. Even a teengar would think things this looks like pissbaby shit. Specifically tailored to not offend anyone, and be as mild and unprovocative as possible.
extremely so
it's mostly /wowg/ leaking and defending every new retoilet expansion, it's like the same 5-6 guys since nobody else cares about modern WoW
retoilets are now championing fake metrics because it's the only thing they have left kek
doesn't feel like that many tho, weird...
tons of bots are registered as subscribers
modern WoW is sad
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>tons of bots are registered as subscribers
so classic is even deader than it appears
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
classic is the only game mode where people actually seem to play the game instead of afking in the capital and trooning out
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
huge cope, retails has millions of M+ runs
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no it doesn't
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it does troon, over 2 million runs already this season
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>2 million runs of M+
Why on earth would you use dungeon runs as a metric for mmo population. 2 million runs of anything is abysmal
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why on earth would you use dungeon runs as a metric for mmo population
Its what most people are doing >2 million runs of anything is abysmal
Theres nothing in any other MMO that comes close to being played as much as m+ you deluded troony
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Classic is keeping your servers afloat. It’s like if I recorded the number of stratholme runs and used that as a metric for the playerbase.
>hurr but uhm cope cope cope farts
Pull the fricking plug on retail already
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Classic is keeping your servers afloat.
Classic is completely fricking dead you mong >It’s like if I recorded the number of stratholme runs
M+ isnt being spammed by bots like Stratholme is, try again
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go take a look at their subscribers graph. Tell me if anything looks off to you, retoilet player
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
tells me that classic is dead lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>stops trying to argue when he realizes
Literally pull the plug on all retail products. Classic chads are tired of saving you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
all I see is a massive drop after classic launch and TBC/Wrath being completely dead
Its a good thing dragonflight and war within can carry classicshitters
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice blindness anon, stay away from cars
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
cryboomer cope moment
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bfa saved by classic launch >shadowlands pop cratering saved by tbc/wrath >dragonflights abysmal launch saved by sod
I fricking hate sod too, how bad must retail be right now
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bfa saved by classic launch
immediate massive drop off >shadowlands pop cratering saved by tbc/wrath
Nope, TBC and Wrath werent able to change a thing because they were completely dead. >dragonflights abysmal launch saved by sod
Nope, that was all post Blizzcon hype, SoDs playerbase is sub 100k
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>SoDs playerbase is sub 100k
It fell off in BFD but that’s massive cope when there’s 3 million parses in Sunken Temple this week.
I’m not gonna read the rest of your cope. Your product is failing and that’s why SoD gets updates every 10 minutes, company is restructuring.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>3 million parses
laughably small, an 8 boss raid everyone is full clearing including multiple alts >Your product is failing and that’s why SoD gets updates every 10 minutes
desperate hotfixes because fatggrend made ANOTHER class 1 shot people in pvp for the 13th time this week are not something to brag about. Retail is getting all the dev time, theyre working on 3 expansions simultaneously because they quickly realized classic has no longevity
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retail brainrot really is something to behold. How many parses of Aberrus this week?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
retail raids have actual depth so they arent full cleared by every dadgamer twice a week
This is a good thing by the way, games shouldnt be journalist mode
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes anon, so much "depth" that not even 100k people engage with it. Your posts should be a reflection on the only people moronic enough to still play Retail.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not even 100k people engage with it
that would still be more than classic lmao
I know you moronic hispanics cant understand this, but parses are not equal to players. 100k players progging a boss but not killing it generates 0 parses
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>3 million parses generated by 100k players >moron brainrot retail player things the average sod player is raiding on 30 different characters a week
I can include heroic and normal if you want, but I don't think you want that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>moron brainrot retail player things the average sod player is raiding on 30 different characters a week
Parses arent per raid, its per boss you stupid Hispanic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that doesn't invalidate his argument moronic drone
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it does you subhuman spic
1 classic player full clearing the raid generates 8 parses, a retail prog raider might generate 0-1
Classic player raids on an alt thats 16 parses, retail player isnt progging on an alt so still 0-1
Classics playercount is abysmal, not even a tenth of retails, all they can brag about is raidlogging LFR tier raids on multiple alts as if that makes the game popular
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>classic raid is 16 parses >but that other is 1
sure whatever you say moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thats exactly how parses work shitskin, progression generates few to none while farm raids generates a ton
Retail is a progression raiding game
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
every try is a parse dumb frick so you are wrong
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Damn so you mean its still more than retail? That's crazy man thanks for telling me.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> 3 million parses > divided by 20 players per raid > divided by 8 bosses per raid > divided by at least 2 to 3 characters for the average player > nearly 100% success rate because sod is easier than LFR, so every active player is clearing the raid. >everybody logs it because that's literally the only thing to do
Congrats sod has less than 10k actual active players. Imagine being this mad about the actual worst edition of the game, bar classic vanilla.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
kek don't forget they had to give SoD a perma 75% exp boost & 300% gold boost cuz its so shit.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I definitely don't like SoD, I think its shit, but the fact that it's still outperforming retail is fricking hilarious. There's clearly a company pivot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>but the fact that it's still outperforming retail
source: moronic headcanon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Source, literally every metric warcraftlogs and Blizzard has put out. moronic copegay.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bro if it was out preforming, they'd actually give classic a team and not under-staff it.
They committed to 3 retail expansions for a reason.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They announced 3 at the same time because they sped up their production timeline to stop supporting it. It's the last expansion, get fricked moron lmao.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll be waiting for you Classictards to post your classic+ is totally happening guys Ganker we're the main game, threads next year, when they actually announce a blizzcon date then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
retail has hordes of morons that collect mounts and never engage in any endgame activity
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can't disagree with that, but saying your version is good because whales keep buying $70 slopmounts is sad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literally every metric warcraftlogs
Warcraftlogs has only shown how few players classic has. Shitskin hispanics inability to understand how logs are generated does not make your shitty game popular >and Blizzard
Blizzard has never put out anything showing classic as popular.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Warcraftlogs has only shown how few players classic has. >classic has more parses than retail including normal, heroic, and mythic >you can't even use alts as a cope because there's a paypig boost in retail >subcount skyrockets any time a class era is released, saving abysmal expansions
It's a really bad day for retailgays.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>classic has more parses than retail including normal, heroic, and mythic
Which means nothing, as has been repeatedly explained pablo, because retail raiding culture doesnt generate as many parses >you can't even use alts as a cope because there's a paypig boost in retail
and those alts arent going to be raiding because raiding isnt used for gearing, moron >subcount skyrockets any time a class era is released
Never happened. TBC and Wrath couldnt even make a splash and we know all the post blizzcon growth was in retail because S3 ended up way more popular than S2. All season of dogshit managed to do is move classic players from hardcore and wrath over to it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Which means nothing, as has been repeatedly explained pablo, because retail raiding culture doesnt generate as many parses
I offered every single version of raiding and its still less than SoD, stop coping, its embarassing.
>TBC and Wrath couldnt even make a splash
Yea all it did was keep the playcount alive while Shadowlands rotted. You're welcome!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I offered every single version of raiding and its still less than SoD
Because nobody alt raids, and prog raiding doesnt generate parses
And LFR goes mostly unlogged, so you didnt even get all the raid difficulties >Yea all it did was keep the playcount alive
It did not, every expansion curve since Cata bottoms out, Legion and BFA clearly did the same. Shadowlands had the same curve and no classic releases were able to budge it because classic is that dead. Its pretty pathetic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shadowlands was less players than Legion, and was going to go lower.
>LFR goes unlogged though!!
It also doesn't lock you to the other tiers of raiding? Crazy cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It also doesn't lock you to the other tiers of raiding?
LFR players do not run the other difficulties Hispanic. If you want gear, you go to m+ not raid, if you want to prog, you wouldnt have been in LFR in the first place
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>LFR players do not run the other difficulties spic >this imaginary pool of players that would btfo you exists but I can't actually show you
Holy shit man just stop.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>LFR players dont exist because.....well it would hurt my narrative
the cope unending...
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>LFR players save me!
Like you said, there's no reason to run it, so why run it? I would guess its similar if not worse than normal raid numbers. Please seek help.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You think fewer people run LFR, where you can just click a button to queue in, than normal raids where you have to be invited to a group?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, can you prove that its not the case?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just use common sense?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok great fanfic retail player. Excited to hear how your unsupported game goes when you're speedran through 3 expansions because they can't be assed supporting it anymore.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>theyre spending half a decade on new expansions and Metzen/Holly keep talking about retail running for many years to come because they actually want to stop developing retail
Im sure in your rotten little brain this somehow made sense, but its completely moronic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no no no don't look at the subscriber trends retail is actually growing!! >the biggest peaks in the past 5 years are classic launches
LMAO
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bro dont look at the fallout think of the PEAK
guess WoD was amazing then huh? Peaked much higher than classic for sure
classictards really are braindead
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>umm my fanfic ignores that classic and classic2 both outperformed every retail expansion
Yea sure man, people played it twice because it was all nostalgia. Surely.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>classic and classic2 both outperformed every retail expansion
They did not
Shadowlands was the biggest launch WoW has ever had, not classic
season of sodomy isnt even a blip
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
is this some kind of trick question? WOD was amazing
only addicts hate WOD because they force themselves to play the game long after they're sick of it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's all a front for the shareholders
just like how google insisted they weren't killing stadia a week before they killed stadia
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Retail hasn't had any end game content added since Legion. What do you do in retail? M+ which is a failed e-sport, raid which is a failed e-sport, and pvp which is a dead e-sport.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You log off retail is what you do. Sad game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>retail player divides by the number of people in the raid because every raid is actually 1 person on 20 characters
I've never felt smarter in my life than when I step in retoilet threads.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you don't see the highest peak on that graph being classic launch?
I know you're too stupid to rotate an apple in your mind, but for a moment try to imagine that graph without classic
and by the way, just to put things into perspective: Classic is 20 year old content that has been optimized to a science, versus the completely new and fresh content of retail expansions and cool shit like dragonriding (from GW2), transmogs, etc.
THAT product from 2004 has completely humiliated retail time and time again.
I don't think you really understand the dynamic at play here.
Classic doesn't even have the promise of future content, it released with a finite end point in sight (because people didn't even want to play TBC or Wrath), and MMORPGs live and die by the promise of future content. It still dwarfs retail engagement by every and any metric available, and you're welcome to try to prove otherwise.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you don't see the highest peak on that graph being classic launch?
And then it immediately crashed because the nostalgia lifted and people saw what a piece of dogshit classic was in reality rather than their dreams of being a child again >THAT product from 2004 has completely humiliated retail time and time again.
it has not come anywhere near retail, ever. All it has done is dispel people's nostalgia for old expansions, wrath has gone from every shitters favorite expac ever to them dropping it mid ulduar because it sucked ass >it still dwarfs retail engagement by every and any metric available
It does not, its player count is laughably small. Ironforge Pro has recorded less than 200k CHARACTERS on SoD, with alts that would be well under 100k players
Meanwhile retail has over 4.7 million characters logged for s4 alone on raider.io
Its pathetic just how dead classic is and even more pathetic just how stupid its defenders are
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>All it has done is dispel people's nostalgia for old expansions
Can you think of any retail expansion that would get 3 different spinoffs (hardcore, som, sod)? You can't, can you?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>desperate fotm servers that die in a week are actually a good thing chud!
lmfao, desperation isnt a good thing
Retail gets 3 full expansions, classic gets 3 shitty spinoffs for streamers
Tell me which one is popular and successful
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Probably the one that they keep pulling out to support your corpse of a product.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>retail t-totally needs classic >no dont look at all the dev work being spent on retail you NEED the 50k classic players not the millions of retail ones
lol
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If retail could support itself, they wouldn't have started Classic in the first place.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If retail could support itself
it can >they wouldn't have started Classic in the first place
yeah why would a company want to milk moron boomers and make free money for 0 effort?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>milk moron boomers and make free money for 0 effort
Where did I mention the retail cash shop?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Where did I mention the retail cash shop?
classic is too hard for boomers, please stop coping
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that's all headcanon, especially this poisoning the well about nostalgia and being a child
what child had his parents buy him a subscription based MMO where he can talk to strangers ?
This strawman only exists in your head, and Vanilla raiding still gets more active players TODAY than Dragonflight gets
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile retail has over 4.7 million characters logged for s4 alone on raider.io
I have a friend that still plays WoW. He has 5+ alts that he keeps at current max content.
If we assume that most players are the same then it wouldn't even take 1 million actual accounts to hit 4.7 million "characters logged".
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I have a friend that still plays WoW. He has 5+ alts that he keeps at current max content.
the funniest trick wowtroons tried to pull is to act as if every wowbuck doesn't have several alts when it's literally the alting game and thye make leveling more and more quick and easy every expansion
afaik you can have a character at DF-cap in a day now. of course people have fricking alts
they had alts when having an alt was actually still a pain in the ass
i was attached to my main and even i had alts that i did m+ on
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
wow players constantly complain about alts and needed them to play the game and do things.
Blizzard used it agaisnt them for years now in order to keep the mazed.
It wasnt until DF that they even started to loosen those restrictions realizing they need to ATLEAST keep there mazed players.
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>If we assume that most players are the same
We already know from Blizzard the average number of alts is much lower > then it wouldn't even take 1 million actual accounts to hit 4.7 million "characters logged".
which still puts it leagues ahead of Classic with a mere 200k characters logged.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>We already know from Blizzard the average number of alts is much lower
Suure we do, because that's trustworthy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>official statements? d-doesnt count >but my one friend totally maintains 5 characters so thats definitely the average
lmfao
the desperation in your cope is palpable
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>company would never lie
morono
2 weeks ago
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>t-they could lie >so better base everything off 1 friends anecdotal claims
surely you arent this moronic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
my friend > company (not your friend)
wild concept I know
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The fun part is there are a few people in his guild that are the same with a lot of alts.
He was telling me that they are supposed to do some "war band" thing in the future where all your stuff is automatically shared between alts. I wonder if this will have an effect.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
my friend > company (not your friend)
wild concept I know
>my friend said a few people in his guild maintain multiple alts >so obviously the average player has 5 serious alts despite the fact that most players dont even have a serious main
delusion
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
why would they be making a new feature for people that have a ton of alts if no one has alts
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't be logical.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
ok I will install wow now
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
don't, delves could be shit tier content in TWW and imagine wasting your money for 4 zones and then getting declined for raids and m+ for several hours
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
because moronic soccer moms are convinced they cant change characters unless their reputations from 15 years ago are copied over
They do not PLAY their alts. Having a stable of characters ungeared is not playing your alts and none of those characters get logged by WCL or raider.io
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
that sounds like cope brother
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the system only exists to let you farm mog and old reps on alts
None of that involves running real content on the characters
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Having a stable of characters ungeared
Most of the people with alts have them because they gear them out. You also get more chances at shit by having more characters at the end game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Most of the people with alts have them because they gear them out.
They do not
Most people dont even have a main geared out. The majority of players dont even run high enough keys to max their vault which is the bare fricking minimum for actually playing the game >You also get more chances at shit by having more characters at the end game.
The shit that they farm is mounts from 8 year old raids, which you do not need to be geared to do
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Most people dont even have a main geared out
The people keeping the lights on and actually playing the game do.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And Google said they weren't killing the Stadia until the day they killed it.
Companies don't have to be truthful.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no reason to believe the yellow line is 5.8M
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no reason to believe the yellow line is 5.8M
Some people say the line is based on revenue or google trends.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no y-axis >"expectation" data >unofficial leak, not confirmed as real
This is worse than some Smash Bros leaks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i-its not real
MMO players falling apart when the genres popularity hasn't innovated or expanded since 2004. Yes this includes FF14gays and retailgays.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>i-it's real!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>s-sisters our dilation erp sessions keep getting mogged by the cosby suite
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>people still trusting beullular stats
hillarious
2 weeks ago
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>Classic is completely fricking dead you mong
then retail doesn't even exist
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's the only metric you can track publicly, it's not a good metric anyway since most people don't run dungeons
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
so like 50k active players at best?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
wow had his lows, but you must be delusional to think wow is not miles above in popularity even videos talking about cataclysm classic (something not that interesting for the wow community) get hundreds of thousands views of youtube
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only delusional one here is you buddy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
like i said, delusional
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
not watching your ecelebs moron buy an ad
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>proven wrong >moron moron moron!
thanks for your service
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
nope, stay mad wowslopper
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i'm 100% positive on you looking those vids about a spinoff of a hated version to see if they had 6 figures of views and they did lil'bro. pffft hahahaha
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
English website monkey try again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it does troon, over 2 million runs already this season
Raids are not worth it and everyone does M+ because you get pretty much the same gear from it but easier and there's nothing else to do.
A lot of the tier sets look like shit but this is kino in comparison. The game looks really old and bad looking but sometimes good things come out of it.
>ff14 troonys thinking anyone knows or gives a frick about their stupid game
The bizarre over importance you give to that game is bizarre. Its not popular it never was popular just stop coping
Honestly? Same.
I thought Dragonflight looked kind of anemic in terms of features, but TWW literally has >Delves
A feature that already seems to be considered monotone after people did 2 runs >More talents upon talents
Not a bad idea, but do we need more of them? Also, a lot of people dislike them because they just wanted class hero skins and all that, not power being tied to a hero fantasy they hate forcing them to pick another hero fantasy. And also none of those hero fantasies go full in on the aesthetic, anyway >Earthen Dwarves
Literally troony dwarf recolors >Warbands
A fancy name for what basically means account-wide reputation. That's not a feature, it's QoL improvement that should find its way into a patch.
cant believe ugly dwarf retextures are a back of the box selling point
Earthen as an expac feature race are a fricking disappointment. More so than getting limited race no headgear/hairstyle female half of the Hrothgar race.
There is, as far as I'm concerned, not a single WoW set that is "amazing".
By WoW standards, sure.
But WoW standards is pajamas with hovering plates glued to it.
>guys believe me when i saw theyre moving wow to maintenance mode and the game is dead >you have to believe me >just like when I said this in 2016 >and 2010
>look at this >oh it's just them trying hard and failing to make a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set >it's for priests
how the frick do they fail this hard?
>how the frick do they fail this hard?
They didnt? Its a great looking set and everyone loves it >trying hard and failing
delusional >a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set
It looks way better than warlock t4, but its not supposed to be warlock t4 at all moron. Its a naaru set
c'mon now
this set is more a spiritual update to warlock t4 than paladin t19 is to paladin t2
>this set is more a spiritual update to warlock t4
Its literally a set based on the naaru. Its nothing at all like warlock t4
There are a billion sets with spikey shoulders
youre completely moronic, if you hadnt stumbled into this thread to look at the 1 purple version you would never have commented about lock t4
It has 0 similarities with any of the light versions
>how the frick do they fail this hard?
They didnt? Its a great looking set and everyone loves it >trying hard and failing
delusional >a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set
It looks way better than warlock t4, but its not supposed to be warlock t4 at all moron. Its a naaru set
>wow still uses the same 20 year old robes
Jesus Fricking Christ.
XIVchads eating good tonight. The WoWcucks are in an absolute frenzy
Naaru and Naaru aesthetics are literally nearly as old as WoW itself is. I'm all for dogging on WoW for blatantly stealing from XIV, but this isn't a case of it.
it's pretty grim that dragonflight of all expansions had on average far better tier sets than the woman within is currently touting in their first tier: the tier that needs to draw people in
they're probably banking on people to use the zone world quest armor or whatever it is with the crusader vibes
but this is literally raid gear. how can you justify just dropping the ball on it and not caring at all
oh it has a helmet now
sorry I just went to wowhead's whole tier list page and it was still helmetless
the helmet is probably the one part that looks somewhat "cool", but that doesn't save it from looking shit. the wings are dumb and the entire set just has this really mobile tier playdough vibe
>how the frick do they fail this hard?
They didnt? Its a great looking set and everyone loves it >trying hard and failing
delusional >a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set
It looks way better than warlock t4, but its not supposed to be warlock t4 at all moron. Its a naaru set
the art direction here really is "Take a plain leveling set with 1 or 2 colors and add some neon/monster bullshit awkwardly on top of it so it stands out because it's out of place"
you can do this for dungeon gear maybe, but as an endgame tier set this is just awful
I know it's the first tier set and those are always a bit weak but this is just pathetic
I could make this in 20 minutes
People always say how good slidecasting feels, which is kind of true, but nobody ever mentions the dogshit ass reverse of it. When you stop moving, you need to stay still for a fraction of a second before you can cast or your cast gets interrupted, and it's fricking awful
This is in WoW though. I did it all the time when I played.
The last .5 secs or so of a cast doesn't actually have to happen so you jump or move during that period to cast your spell then and also be "moving" while it casts.
oh it has a helmet now
sorry I just went to wowhead's whole tier list page and it was still helmetless
the helmet is probably the one part that looks somewhat "cool", but that doesn't save it from looking shit. the wings are dumb and the entire set just has this really mobile tier playdough vibe
yeah bro just a regular leveling set for sure
they're probably banking on people to use the zone world quest armor or whatever it is with the crusader vibes
but this is literally raid gear. how can you justify just dropping the ball on it and not caring at all
i mean come on at least try a little yknow
it's pretty grim that dragonflight of all expansions had on average far better tier sets than the woman within is currently touting in their first tier: the tier that needs to draw people in
Only way this set can be saved is if the missing shoulder piece just literally gives your character two extra pairs of arms, even then it's only something to put with other better sets
>Unique Silhouette >Unique model for shoulders, boots, gloves and belt >3D elements even on the chest and legs >good use of color, primary, secondary and accent slots all used to effect (insane that I have to say this about a multimillion dollar operation, this is design 101) >completely unique feel and clearly distinct aesthetic from every other rogue set >detailed texturing with good material expression >feels premium and elite >it's not even the mythic version
gonna cry?
piss your pants maybe?
maybe shit and cum?
This looks more like a questing set than anything else >Unique Silhouette
so just like the other set >Unique model for shoulders, boots, gloves and belt
just like the other set >3D elements even on the chest and legs
3D elements on the legs of the new set. >completely unique feel and clearly distinct aesthetic from every other rogue set
Current set is uniquely designed to look like an ethereal. Meanwhile that is just a generic pirate set >detailed texturing with good material expression
So just like on the new set, with clearly seperate leather and cloth wrappings >feels premium and elite
Nothing about this set feels premium or elite. Its completely unremarkable compared to generic kultiras questing gear >it's not even the mythic version
Which is only designated by a basic particle effect on the shoulder
Youre desperate and pathetic. It has one extra 3D piece on the chest and a completely forgettable design
I miss when people weren't straight up sociopaths and would rather brick a key (and waste 50+ minutes of everyone's time) than do a +1 clear instead of the +3 they wanted
I'll never forgive Nu-World of Warcraft for making all Dungeon sets the exact same fricking thing with a different name.
Every single dungeon set since at LEAST Shadowlands but probably even earlier is the EXACT SAME APPEARANCE in the ENTIRE expansion. There's no fricking excuses for this shit, if FFXIV can make some recolored crafted gear and the occasional new gear for their dungeon loot then WoW should be able to do that too.
>year of our lord 2000+(12*2) >WoW armor designs are STILL just designs painted to the same 3D model they've been using for over a decade
To Blizzxisters really?
>nobody posted the shaman set yet
It's so fricking awful holy fricking shit. I know it's cool to shit on wow but dragonflight had some decent sets. War Within so far makes me feel like they just fired everyone.
This looks awful and I don't like it one bit. Nothing about it makes me think of a shaman, and I can't even begin to guess what the bonuses for this set do. It's trash, and whoever made it should feel bad for doing a bad job.
>Nothing about it makes me think of a shaman
Water doesnt make you think of a shaman?
Youre trying too hard >and I can't even begin to guess what the bonuses for this set do
when have sets ever given you a single hint about their mechanics?
dragonflight wasn't amazing but the fact that it has better sets than tww in their introductory raid that is meant to appeal to people is FRICKING GRIM
To be fair dragonflight had its worst sets on the intro raid. Priest went on to have one of it's best sets period on season 2, and shaman on season 3 for instance.
Most AF gear look like shit too, why are FFXIVgays so arrogant about eating the same shit wowgays are stuck with?
In the end they're all the same mmo pigeons.
AF gear, whether or not it looks good, actually has texture. Show me a peice of cloth gear from WoW that doesn't look like someone spray-paintied a snuggie. And no, oversized paldrons don't count.
>WoW
maybe >XIV
I don't know how you can say that unless you are looking for one specific aesthetic. There's way too much variance in XIV armor and glamour design for it to be uniformly claimed to be "bad" unless you just hate the graphics.
People who play any RPG will buy the lore-breaking meme/modern outfits for their character. This isn't really FFXIV exclusive, it's in many places in WoW too. If other players burn your autism too much, there's even Duty Support now, so you can have a wholly lore-appropriate experience through most of the game.
priest has always been the devs' baby
for most of the game's lifespan they let shadow priests kill people in BGs by putting 2 dots on them and running away
WoW
•sub numbers under 500k
•mostly played by trannies and furries
•story is just a weird amalgamation of plot points stolen from marvel and ff14
•all sexy npc and player armors altered to not offend trannies
•same skillless gameplay and boring builder spender cd based class design
XIV
•millions of subscribers
•mostly played by giga Chads and giga Stacys
•completely original plot
•hot npcs and sexy clothing options everywhere
>It doesnt at all
It does.
It looks fricking flat and boring and like you'd see it in a kindergarten.
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>It looks fricking flat
it doesnt though, there are nicks and wear marks all over the metal, theres chainmail under the chest and on the legs, tons of shading on the belt cloth
Why are you trying so hard anon?
Unironically looks pretty good compared to almost everything in this thread. If the belt wasn't this moronic-looking skull motif, the armor plating clearly protected the body instead of constantly leaving these exposed arms and legs, and if the tassel wasn't glowing for no specific reason, I'd argue this is an excellent piece of armor design for WoW.
Unironically looks pretty good compared to almost everything in this thread. If the belt wasn't this moronic-looking skull motif, the armor plating clearly protected the body instead of constantly leaving these exposed arms and legs, and if the tassel wasn't glowing for no specific reason, I'd argue this is an excellent piece of armor design for WoW.
The belt is not part of the set. I just grabbed some random Transmog from google. There are plenty of more simple set nowadays it just happens that tier sets are always over the top designs.
It's only fair right?
Yoshi P copied WoW and is going ot be copying it into DT which is this games WoD. XIVtroons are going reeee even more.
While WoW copied the goods from XIV and will return to being King of MMOS with TWW
yeah forget about the best leveling, best raids, best music, and best class design, I literally cannot stop playing wow so the only metric I care about is how much time there was between content patches
Dragonflight was a shit-tier expansion story and general raid aesthetic wise.
But what was it.. season 2? It had some really good tier sets.
The Alexstrasza priest set, the cool-ass Death Knight set with the spikes, the Sargeras Demon Hunter set.
I play neither but fricking hell, that bow in your pic >random pulleys which do nothing >random handles all over >random chain (?) >the arrow so massive it can't even be pulled back without clipping through the whole bow >random flamethrowers in the front
Who the frick designed this
I don't think anyone is going to deny WoW wins when it comes to zone design. The problem is immediate content abandonment where all that work the devs put on zones is wasted because the only thing they're good for after reaching max level is inane timegated world quest rep grinds.
same, which is why I just laugh at people like this
comfy
>Unironically looks better
(lack of) Vegetation and the ground color makes Kholusia look like ass. The ground texture tiling in XIV also looks like shit and it isn't an issue with WoW
>Unironically looks better
(lack of) Vegetation and the ground color makes Kholusia look like ass. The ground texture tiling in XIV also looks like shit and it isn't an issue with WoW
I fricking wish they stole more. Blizzard always worked best when they stole things other games did and did them better.
But at this point I'm beyond suspension of disbelief when it comes to WoW somehow getting onto a decent characterization and narrative track, and they're still going so hard with FOMO/timegating to the point of aping Bungie on Destiny 2 that I'll happily stick with ol' faithful and predictable (if a bit boring) FF14.
How do people not get tired of these ugly armor designs? I feel like I’ve seen this same design 500 times now
true. We need to go back to 80s/90s fantasy armors. Less armor and more skin. For both sexes.
Your asking how people who are getting excited to play fricking Cataclysm again if they get tired of bad things? Your mistake was thinking you wanted this planet with fellow humans
Very weird opinion
Cataclysm had good raids, and many others nice features that would be nice to experience again
Especially compared to garbage like wotlk that people only praised because it was their first expack
>Cataclysm had good raids, and many others nice features that would be nice to experience again
you can experience them at any time you want in retail and you have been for the last 15 years since its the default levelling option
what is this false narrative that cata somehow went away
>you can experience them at any time you want in retail and you have been for the last 15 years since its the default levelling option
What?
You can experience cata raids?
Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd?
Heroics?
Best version of talent trees?
Game without scalling?
Also neither burning crusade or wotlk content went away
Feels like you never played game you are talking about
>bbbbut my favorite streamer assmongol told me that classic died with wotlk isn't that cool, his first expansion was wotlk so he knows what he's talking about
not an argument
>What?
>You can experience cata raids?
>Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd?
>Heroics?
>Best version of talent trees?
>Game without scalling?
So not the actual content itself, you just want slightly different balance to retail? Are you moronic?
>Also neither burning crusade or wotlk content went away
And likewise, releasing those was fricking moronic too, evidenced by the fact that they died 3 weeks after opening
>doing dungeons and raids aren't content
>cata dungeons and raids don't exist in retail
lol
literally unchanged
>literally unchanged
>Updated, but not revamped rfc, sm and bfd?
Hmmm
So not only are you a moron who only watches streamers, but you are also illiterate.
>revamped rfc, sm and bfd
is that what you call it
You can't actually do level squished raids. They did not even try to balance them.
Even if somehow you gathered up a bunch of level 35s to run Dragon Soul it would be either unbelievably easy or impossibly hard.
You can do them solo and experience all content
Based on your opinions I KNOW you didn't play it lmao frick off moron
Vanilla died with vanilla. Wow was only good between 2004 and 2006.
at least your opinion is acceptable
It's stupid because even vanilla was different game between patches, but acceptable.
Much better than the opinions of wotlk babies.
Yeah, because people level stop at cata just to dive into the old raids at appropriate level and without OP heirloom gear. Happens all the time. Or do you mean oneshotting everything as max lvl character when you say "experiene"? Are you moronic?
>Yeah, because people level stop at cata just to dive into the old raids at appropriate level and without OP heirloom gear. Happens all the time.
What's stopping you?
>muh raids
cataclysm was dogshit all the way around. we just had no idea how much worse it could actually get.
I've said it a million times and ill say it again. People who play "classic" wow will play anything that blizzard puts the word "classic" on. If "classic" shadow lands released today, they'd play it and praise it.
Wanting to play classic cataclysm is moronic because it's literally this awkward in-between vanilla wow and modern wow. If you like a leveling walking sim, classic does that, and if you like the raids, well you're literally coping because modern wow does it better. Then again these are the dip shits still trying to convince people "classic wow was hard!"
>well you're literally coping because modern wow does it better.
modern wow doesnt have 10m max difficulty
You got me there, i wish there was a mythic 10 man mode
>How do people not get tired of these ugly armor designs? I feel like I’ve seen this same design 500 times now
There are people who think WoW has good art and that the art team "is really good". The only way you can see how terrible the blizzard house style is in reality is to be away from it for a while.
Blizzdrones are not people.
wow's engine is like 20 years old at this point and a lot of stuff in the game is hamstrung by that. That's why so much armor is just 2d body paint and 'robes' are basically a long tube like dress. Pauldrons are pretty much the only place they can put 3d meshes which is why so many sets are super overdesigned in that department.
They're all just retextures of the same models
So that's why WoW is shit now
it's okay, ff14 is a dead shit game anyway
Well well well, what do we have here.
>FFXIV invented windchimes
Come on now
Nah, looks more like Voidheart.
Cover up those fricking grippers, man.
Is there any specific reason why 99.9% of wow armor have this exact same silhouette? Is it an engine limitation or is it intentional design theory?
>engine limitation
yes
they pretend it's an engine limitation but they have 3D armor in the game, it obviously doesn't have to be bodypaint
they just don't want to put in the work
>they have 3D armor in the game
fitted for one race
they don't want to make it for every single one
WoW is a 2004 game
that being said, your picrel has the exact same silhouette as the Stormblood DRK set
It's the Dawntrail DRK set, mate.
learn2read
now post the gameplay
Same reason why every DRK AF gear always have buttcaps.
AF gear have the excuse that they're going for the same look every time but with small alterations
What's the excuse for wowo caca?
>IT'S CALLED HAVING AN ARTISTIC DIRECTION OKAY?!
>shit that most jobs armor are stuck with
Fuming
it's a leveling set you replace week 1, not like it matters
>stuck with
But that's an actual artistic design choice. They wanted each of the job armors to look very similar to one another conceptually, but have enough unique pieces that they can be put together and carry their differences. All of the WAR sets can literally be put together in any order you want as a result of it, as well as most PLD sets.
>But that's an actual artistic design choice
Nah it's laziness, I perfectly get that they are trying to follow a main direction but it doesn't mean that AF gears should ALWAYS have the same elements/feature .
>They wanted each of the job armors to look very similar to one another conceptually, but have enough unique pieces that they can be put together and carry their differences
The same could be said about most Tier set with the matching colors.
Just look at monk tier set.
>it doesn't mean that AF gears should ALWAYS have the same elements/feature .
It literally does. The point is that the job armor sets look familiar and similar. It wouldn't make sense for a DNC to just randomly have random armor plates and be heavily covered in leather battle attire because their lore is that they wear almost nothing both to allure and capitvate an audience, but also to not have their clothes tangle up as they dance. SMN attires are based on regional/historical traditional summoning clothes, which actually do change fairly regularly throughout the tiers other than the horn. DRK armor is literally from a specific order of knighthood, and if it radically changed, it would imply the knighthood's core philosophies radically changed, which would break the beauty of the DRK storyline. The similarities between the sets pay off in more ways than one, and even though they are "similar", none of them are "identical".
FInally, Nightmare Moon colours.
But I will still not play the game btw.
I like it
One brings shadow
One brings light
Inside of u are two paladins.
>One brings shadow
>One brings light
Both are still gay
SIR GIDEON OFNIR THE ALLLLLL KNOWING
find the albino orc woman Anduin!
It looks good. It's clearly modeled off the naaru - the light version off A'dal, and the dark version off M'uru - which date back to TBC.
looks fricking great
that only covers the face, the wow one kind of looks like a crown
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH IS THIS WHAT WOWgayS SAY IS BETTER THAN XIV
Because it is
XIV is not a high bar.
So then WoW is in the dirt even compared to XIV? glad you agree with me
>stale slop stole from stale slop
damn how can you even tell
They really want their own Shadowbringers.
They made it very obvious when final patch for shadowslands was amrketed as "GRAND FINAL OF STORY THAT STARTED IN WARCRAFT 3"
Yeah, this is a new grand finale of the story! But yeah, they keep reinventing things just to show the features or shit for the audience because there's nothing else to show.
For example, how many times have they reworked crafting and leveling?
>For example, how many times have they reworked crafting and leveling?
Everytime.
Unironically though. If I had a month of being in charge at blizzard I could make the game better than it's ever been. Shorter quest lines that have better gameplay such as going though a dungeon with jumping and puzzles and semi challenging but soloable bosses. Relevant challenging end game for the solo player like mage tower 2 but u get a myth tier piece out of it because better players should be rewarded and ofc a mount for beating some type of challenge mode included. I'd also include a scenario similar to the intro to BFA for some alternative group content. Ultimately the game needs more soloable but satisfying content for players to enjoy when they aren't doing the standard beats. I'd then redesign raids to be bosses only, literally no one wants to fight trash in a raid. I haven't played the current season but bullions are a step on the right direction
All complete dogshit and further kills the MMO aspect, good job you subhuman shitskin
>Ultimately the game needs more soloable but satisfying content
It does not, it needs more guild content and less solo slop
>I haven't played the current season but bullions are a step on the right direction
Complete opposite direction, it continues to make gearing boring and kills raiding interest 3 weeks into a tier
>the fricking expansion roadmap like it's some sort of marvel movie franchise
I thought they fired Danuser?
Metzen consumes marvel-shit as well.
Wait until it's revealed that Jailer was actually an idea Metzen left notes on before he quit.
looks awful
XIVsisters....they can't just steal Dilatema like that....
your game will never be relevant again, xivtroon
the wowbucks are really out in force tonight huh
They've been on advertisement campaign or something just before the weekend.
Dawntrail pre-orders surpassed Endwalker's. 🙂 Sorry your headcanon wasn't reality.
Didn't WoW also steal Azem's soul crystal?
yes lmao, it was glorious
I refuse to believe that fxiv gays can be THAT moronic and uneducated.
what level of education is needed to understand the glory that is shadowlands?
>wake up in the form you always wanted
>despite bastion teaching letting go of your past self to discourage prejudice carrying over into the afterlife, you cling to the fact you used to be other
>this means you never complete your training, your lack of advancement leads to bitterness
>turn to radicalisation when they offer you an easier path, despite knowing it's wrong
>wind up getting put in a dress for all eternity as your reward for not really doing much at all
Was this anti trans propaganda all along?
Yes. Pelagos literally isn't transgender. He's 100% biologically male with a working blue penis and everything. He was a woman with body dysphoria in life, and the only cure was death.
But that's the issue, he woke up in his ideal body, 100% male due to magic, and yet the fact that he used to be a lady was so prevalent in his mind it couldn't be erased despite the rest of his past life going away, it became a thorn in his mind that halted all progress. The message seems to be "it won't fix your problems, the sense of wrongness will remain"
>that time wowdevs decided to shoehorned a literally who troon npc into an ""important"" lore figure, still nobody remembers it
They are
2021 to 2022 wowg really was the best time on this website, absolute shitposting nirvana.
Glowing face masks aren't FFXIV exclusive, if it is copypasta, it's way less egregious than this
ah pre-and post launch Endwalker was a great time to be in /wowg/
as a xivgay i don't really give a frick about wow 'stealing' anything from xiv, especially since yoship has said that xiv is very derivative of wow
retail wow is awful enough already and doesn't seem to be getting any better, blizzard announcing 3 expansions at once essentially confirms they'll all be the same slop. if you want to go after wow there are much better arguments
The final chapter of Danuser's career suicide, and it was glorious.
>troony
>obsessed with a game they don't even play
Looks more like the Lightweaver endgame set from base PSO2, with less silver.
see
Oh I didn't even see the face sigils I was just lookin at dem wings
I guess you're moronic
?
he's a coping wowgay, don't mind him
UNLEASH DILATIMA
This is basically NO FUN ALLOWED. None of these are even that bad.
>All those quests named after sucking, riding and polishing someone's dick
Bro, wow was always a troony game...
>a "your mother" joke is beyond the pale
nublizzard is so gay
that;s unironically how soul dies. i'm grateful the nu devs at nu blizzard saved me from my wow addiction, i'll never think about playing that garbage ever again.
does wow have even a drop of originality left?
of course not its shittier warhammer and then they made the shittier warhammer an mmo that was just a shittier everquest
[SAD NEWS}
Man who consumes only Final Fantasy, looks at everything else as Final Fantasy.
Is that zodiark trance?
Light and Void shit was in WoW before FF14 HW, The frick are you saying?
Would've been kino but modern basedWoW is too fricking horrible to do something like that
Never post again
I have a feeling that they might do this with Anduin if Arthas's soul is split into good and evil, just like Sylvanas.
>here touch this thing, that steals all souls that come in contact with it
WoW is shit mainly because it’s community consists of a bunch of either obese or skeleton thin neckbeard metasheep that can’t handle any kind of frick up or wipe and must always play whatever the biggest DPS is and demand you do too. At least in XIV you can have a moron like that nuked by the jannies if they start spouting off.
>NOOOOO don't call me moronic when I grief the raid
>help me jannies!!!
What are you a woman?
If you played the game you'd know how moronic you sound. Stop getting your opinions from a twitch streamer. Your average wow player is trash and isn't meta slaving. Unless you're pushing 4k io (you're not) then meta is completely irrelevant and has never stopped anyone from playing the game
bro people literally get kicked for not having the optimal route in a LEVELING DUNGEON
foh
literally never happened
The only real gate keeping I've ever seen is in classic wow which ironically could be completed in your sleep. I've always played off meta in retail and easily push over 3k. Not sure why I'm responding to your autistic LARP
>metasheep that can’t handle any kind of frick up or wipe
but enough about XIV
I still remember when WoTLK was supposed to be the last expansion for WoW.
It should have.
>I still remember when WoTLK was supposed to be the last expansion for WoW.
I don't, and I played since vanilla
That was never the case zoomie.
>Make MMO.
>Only make 2 expansions.
Arthaskeks really don't believe WoW was only intended to end with Arthas right?
Stole what, exactly?
You people are just obsessed.
Bit of a stretch and I'm an FF fan. If any fanbase should be pissed about outright theft it's Guild Wars 2 players. Blizzard is getting credit for dragon riding as if they invented it when it's been in GW2 for years and much better.
I think most wow players know it's not an original idea. Dragon riding doesn't make the game, it's just a fun extra thing to have, that's why even if gw2 has better dragonriding it doesnt matter cause its a shit game
blizzard are such hacks
>checked the wowhead article on this
>all the comments are people creaming their pants saying how good it is
Really? Are the standards that low?
Post a better set then
The only people left playing are the most ravenous shit eaters, so of course they'll gush over ugly shit like this.
Why don't they just make wow 2 at this point?
Because there's no need to make WoW 2. They've still got a healthy population they're happy with, that's willing to play any expansion they put out. Then you got the nostalgia tards who get milked replaying those expansions when they hit cata. Then you got the vanilla tards who'll just play Vanilla until they have a heart attack in their retirement homes.
Because new game can fail
Also blizzard attitude changed from their oldschool 90's style "even soccer moms should play and enjoy the game" changed to "cybersports pandering"
WoW is a very, very bad game.
The people still playing are heavily mentally ill.
WoW was never good. Period. It was "wider audience" slop for homosexuals who didn't actually want to play an mmo.
Nobody cares that you played Everquest, grandpa.
WoW was a genuinely good game from 2004-2010. Afterwards it was either middling or straight up trash. I'm glad I got to play in the golden era.
Rest is history.
no it wasn't, unfortunate that you wouldn't know any better but you were born in slop
>WoW was a genuinely good game from 2004-2010.
classic has proved this false
classic proved nothing and zoomers like you will never understand, kek
classic wasn't even remotely close to the vanilla experience
it's okay - you weren't there, and never will be, the rest is history & sour grapes
you will never comprehend, much like how someone with brown skin will never be white
What was wrong with it in your opinion? Not that I disagree. Layering and server transfers were cancer
>What was wrong with it in your opinion?
Too much like vanilla
Rancid bait
>classic proved nothing
it proved classic was shallow trash and you will never be able to cope your way out of it
>classic wasn't even remotely close to the vanilla experience
Yes it was, it was authentic and exposed vanilla as pure goyslop, which is why you like it so much
actually Blizzard "leaked" their subscriber count timeline and Classic is still basically 80% of the playerbase despite it getting no updates or anything
people would rather gear up their 5th Warrior tank in vanilla or TBC than play with furries in Retail
>Classic is still basically 80% of the playerbase
absolutely delusional classicboomer cope
Nobody is playing classic, the sub chart crashed harder after classic launch than it did in WoD because as soon as people actually go into classic they realized it sucked ass
Wow I love retail now
Why would the sub count crash if they could just go play...
Shadowlands....
Lmao you idiot
Classic hard carries retail and it's not even really close. To deny this is stupidity.
>classic hard carries
bro SoD phase 3 is dead already.
>source: my head canon
>Classic gays unironically believe this
What else schizo? COVID is actually just nano machines?
>2010
Found wotlk kid
Vanilla WoW is a good game it did what it was supposed to be: be an online world made by nerds for nerds.
>classic is vanilla
Classic is a botfarm with gdkp and sweaties who lived inside the dungeons and bought chinkgold, undirecly sponsored by blizzard to rush to 60. If you were left out of the golden age it's your fault.
The only valid argument is how the dev team was moronic enough to give tigole and co a platform who is a "renowned" developer for some reason and morons love him. He and his little israeli inner circle is the responsible why things turned into shit.
A lot of people, including you don't understand that the vanilla dev team was replaced the moment WoW hit the shelves, and many hated the shit out of tigole, even back then as he was a rat. The design in TBC just reeks from bad zones, raidlogging, shitty hallway dungeons, crap quests, retcons, and poopsock autism, and I have a heavy suspicion his hand was in bowing down to chinks to have a pretty horde race too.
I fricking hate how blizzdrones worship him.
As cringy as this pic it gives you an overall jest.
nah, wow was always dogshit
that's moronic, you can't pretend vanilla and dragonflight are the same game or have the same problems
they're worlds apart
both are dogshit
Tigole indeed contributed to a lot of bad shit, but remember during vanilla he was pretty tame, and TBC is essentially his expansion. Back then it was not that much of a big deal even in TBC, because as a newbie you still have the 1-60 journey, there is not that much info on the net either, and even if you are max level, people didn't knew exactly knew what to do and where to go. Most players didn't even knew raiding exists, they just played the game because it was fun and still new.
Sweaties were a very low minority, who actually aimed for endgame, but now they are voice of reason now, half of them into transitioning.
When the unreal engine play-doh slop tries to be somewhat serious its always ends up goofy. What a fricking pile of shit. Even a teengar would think things this looks like pissbaby shit. Specifically tailored to not offend anyone, and be as mild and unprovocative as possible.
>chings wanted the pretty race
It was koreans
chinks were not even playing wow at that point
Blizz always goes all out on the first tier of the expansion. Then the rest of the expansion tier sets blunder in quality
Some of the first TWW tier sets we've seen so far are dogshit.
Compared to..
To..
Fricking Dragonflight of all things.
Why is it so ugly
Baby's first edgy design
How delusional retail players are?
extremely so
it's mostly /wowg/ leaking and defending every new retoilet expansion, it's like the same 5-6 guys since nobody else cares about modern WoW
>it's like the same 5-6 guys since nobody else cares about modern WoW
except its the most popular MMO
sure doesn't seem like it
7 million subs
you can cope more
doesn't feel like that many tho, weird...
>trust my feels
just wouldn't surprise me if the numbers are faked, just doesn't feel like the game is that popular...
>literal classic troony lying on the forums
very convincing
retoilets are now championing fake metrics because it's the only thing they have left kek
tons of bots are registered as subscribers
modern WoW is sad
>tons of bots are registered as subscribers
so classic is even deader than it appears
classic is the only game mode where people actually seem to play the game instead of afking in the capital and trooning out
huge cope, retails has millions of M+ runs
no it doesn't
Yes it does troon, over 2 million runs already this season
>2 million runs of M+
Why on earth would you use dungeon runs as a metric for mmo population. 2 million runs of anything is abysmal
>Why on earth would you use dungeon runs as a metric for mmo population
Its what most people are doing
>2 million runs of anything is abysmal
Theres nothing in any other MMO that comes close to being played as much as m+ you deluded troony
Classic is keeping your servers afloat. It’s like if I recorded the number of stratholme runs and used that as a metric for the playerbase.
>hurr but uhm cope cope cope farts
Pull the fricking plug on retail already
>Classic is keeping your servers afloat.
Classic is completely fricking dead you mong
>It’s like if I recorded the number of stratholme runs
M+ isnt being spammed by bots like Stratholme is, try again
Go take a look at their subscribers graph. Tell me if anything looks off to you, retoilet player
tells me that classic is dead lmao
>stops trying to argue when he realizes
Literally pull the plug on all retail products. Classic chads are tired of saving you.
all I see is a massive drop after classic launch and TBC/Wrath being completely dead
Its a good thing dragonflight and war within can carry classicshitters
Nice blindness anon, stay away from cars
cryboomer cope moment
>bfa saved by classic launch
>shadowlands pop cratering saved by tbc/wrath
>dragonflights abysmal launch saved by sod
I fricking hate sod too, how bad must retail be right now
>bfa saved by classic launch
immediate massive drop off
>shadowlands pop cratering saved by tbc/wrath
Nope, TBC and Wrath werent able to change a thing because they were completely dead.
>dragonflights abysmal launch saved by sod
Nope, that was all post Blizzcon hype, SoDs playerbase is sub 100k
>SoDs playerbase is sub 100k
It fell off in BFD but that’s massive cope when there’s 3 million parses in Sunken Temple this week.
I’m not gonna read the rest of your cope. Your product is failing and that’s why SoD gets updates every 10 minutes, company is restructuring.
>3 million parses
laughably small, an 8 boss raid everyone is full clearing including multiple alts
>Your product is failing and that’s why SoD gets updates every 10 minutes
desperate hotfixes because fatggrend made ANOTHER class 1 shot people in pvp for the 13th time this week are not something to brag about. Retail is getting all the dev time, theyre working on 3 expansions simultaneously because they quickly realized classic has no longevity
Retail brainrot really is something to behold. How many parses of Aberrus this week?
retail raids have actual depth so they arent full cleared by every dadgamer twice a week
This is a good thing by the way, games shouldnt be journalist mode
Yes anon, so much "depth" that not even 100k people engage with it. Your posts should be a reflection on the only people moronic enough to still play Retail.
>not even 100k people engage with it
that would still be more than classic lmao
I know you moronic hispanics cant understand this, but parses are not equal to players. 100k players progging a boss but not killing it generates 0 parses
>3 million parses generated by 100k players
>moron brainrot retail player things the average sod player is raiding on 30 different characters a week
I can include heroic and normal if you want, but I don't think you want that.
>moron brainrot retail player things the average sod player is raiding on 30 different characters a week
Parses arent per raid, its per boss you stupid Hispanic.
that doesn't invalidate his argument moronic drone
Yes it does you subhuman spic
1 classic player full clearing the raid generates 8 parses, a retail prog raider might generate 0-1
Classic player raids on an alt thats 16 parses, retail player isnt progging on an alt so still 0-1
Classics playercount is abysmal, not even a tenth of retails, all they can brag about is raidlogging LFR tier raids on multiple alts as if that makes the game popular
>classic raid is 16 parses
>but that other is 1
sure whatever you say moron
Thats exactly how parses work shitskin, progression generates few to none while farm raids generates a ton
Retail is a progression raiding game
every try is a parse dumb frick so you are wrong
Damn so you mean its still more than retail? That's crazy man thanks for telling me.
> 3 million parses
> divided by 20 players per raid
> divided by 8 bosses per raid
> divided by at least 2 to 3 characters for the average player
> nearly 100% success rate because sod is easier than LFR, so every active player is clearing the raid.
>everybody logs it because that's literally the only thing to do
Congrats sod has less than 10k actual active players. Imagine being this mad about the actual worst edition of the game, bar classic vanilla.
kek don't forget they had to give SoD a perma 75% exp boost & 300% gold boost cuz its so shit.
I definitely don't like SoD, I think its shit, but the fact that it's still outperforming retail is fricking hilarious. There's clearly a company pivot.
>but the fact that it's still outperforming retail
source: moronic headcanon
Source, literally every metric warcraftlogs and Blizzard has put out. moronic copegay.
Bro if it was out preforming, they'd actually give classic a team and not under-staff it.
They committed to 3 retail expansions for a reason.
They announced 3 at the same time because they sped up their production timeline to stop supporting it. It's the last expansion, get fricked moron lmao.
I'll be waiting for you Classictards to post your classic+ is totally happening guys Ganker we're the main game, threads next year, when they actually announce a blizzcon date then.
retail has hordes of morons that collect mounts and never engage in any endgame activity
I can't disagree with that, but saying your version is good because whales keep buying $70 slopmounts is sad.
>literally every metric warcraftlogs
Warcraftlogs has only shown how few players classic has. Shitskin hispanics inability to understand how logs are generated does not make your shitty game popular
>and Blizzard
Blizzard has never put out anything showing classic as popular.
>Warcraftlogs has only shown how few players classic has.
>classic has more parses than retail including normal, heroic, and mythic
>you can't even use alts as a cope because there's a paypig boost in retail
>subcount skyrockets any time a class era is released, saving abysmal expansions
It's a really bad day for retailgays.
>classic has more parses than retail including normal, heroic, and mythic
Which means nothing, as has been repeatedly explained pablo, because retail raiding culture doesnt generate as many parses
>you can't even use alts as a cope because there's a paypig boost in retail
and those alts arent going to be raiding because raiding isnt used for gearing, moron
>subcount skyrockets any time a class era is released
Never happened. TBC and Wrath couldnt even make a splash and we know all the post blizzcon growth was in retail because S3 ended up way more popular than S2. All season of dogshit managed to do is move classic players from hardcore and wrath over to it
>Which means nothing, as has been repeatedly explained pablo, because retail raiding culture doesnt generate as many parses
I offered every single version of raiding and its still less than SoD, stop coping, its embarassing.
>TBC and Wrath couldnt even make a splash
Yea all it did was keep the playcount alive while Shadowlands rotted. You're welcome!
>I offered every single version of raiding and its still less than SoD
Because nobody alt raids, and prog raiding doesnt generate parses
And LFR goes mostly unlogged, so you didnt even get all the raid difficulties
>Yea all it did was keep the playcount alive
It did not, every expansion curve since Cata bottoms out, Legion and BFA clearly did the same. Shadowlands had the same curve and no classic releases were able to budge it because classic is that dead. Its pretty pathetic
Shadowlands was less players than Legion, and was going to go lower.
>LFR goes unlogged though!!
It also doesn't lock you to the other tiers of raiding? Crazy cope.
>It also doesn't lock you to the other tiers of raiding?
LFR players do not run the other difficulties Hispanic. If you want gear, you go to m+ not raid, if you want to prog, you wouldnt have been in LFR in the first place
>LFR players do not run the other difficulties spic
>this imaginary pool of players that would btfo you exists but I can't actually show you
Holy shit man just stop.
>LFR players dont exist because.....well it would hurt my narrative
the cope unending...
>LFR players save me!
Like you said, there's no reason to run it, so why run it? I would guess its similar if not worse than normal raid numbers. Please seek help.
You think fewer people run LFR, where you can just click a button to queue in, than normal raids where you have to be invited to a group?
Yes, can you prove that its not the case?
Just use common sense?
Ok great fanfic retail player. Excited to hear how your unsupported game goes when you're speedran through 3 expansions because they can't be assed supporting it anymore.
>theyre spending half a decade on new expansions and Metzen/Holly keep talking about retail running for many years to come because they actually want to stop developing retail
Im sure in your rotten little brain this somehow made sense, but its completely moronic
>no no no don't look at the subscriber trends retail is actually growing!!
>the biggest peaks in the past 5 years are classic launches
LMAO
>bro dont look at the fallout think of the PEAK
guess WoD was amazing then huh? Peaked much higher than classic for sure
classictards really are braindead
>umm my fanfic ignores that classic and classic2 both outperformed every retail expansion
Yea sure man, people played it twice because it was all nostalgia. Surely.
>classic and classic2 both outperformed every retail expansion
They did not
Shadowlands was the biggest launch WoW has ever had, not classic
season of sodomy isnt even a blip
is this some kind of trick question? WOD was amazing
only addicts hate WOD because they force themselves to play the game long after they're sick of it
it's all a front for the shareholders
just like how google insisted they weren't killing stadia a week before they killed stadia
Retail hasn't had any end game content added since Legion. What do you do in retail? M+ which is a failed e-sport, raid which is a failed e-sport, and pvp which is a dead e-sport.
You log off retail is what you do. Sad game.
>retail player divides by the number of people in the raid because every raid is actually 1 person on 20 characters
I've never felt smarter in my life than when I step in retoilet threads.
you don't see the highest peak on that graph being classic launch?
I know you're too stupid to rotate an apple in your mind, but for a moment try to imagine that graph without classic
and by the way, just to put things into perspective: Classic is 20 year old content that has been optimized to a science, versus the completely new and fresh content of retail expansions and cool shit like dragonriding (from GW2), transmogs, etc.
THAT product from 2004 has completely humiliated retail time and time again.
I don't think you really understand the dynamic at play here.
Classic doesn't even have the promise of future content, it released with a finite end point in sight (because people didn't even want to play TBC or Wrath), and MMORPGs live and die by the promise of future content. It still dwarfs retail engagement by every and any metric available, and you're welcome to try to prove otherwise.
>you don't see the highest peak on that graph being classic launch?
And then it immediately crashed because the nostalgia lifted and people saw what a piece of dogshit classic was in reality rather than their dreams of being a child again
>THAT product from 2004 has completely humiliated retail time and time again.
it has not come anywhere near retail, ever. All it has done is dispel people's nostalgia for old expansions, wrath has gone from every shitters favorite expac ever to them dropping it mid ulduar because it sucked ass
>it still dwarfs retail engagement by every and any metric available
It does not, its player count is laughably small. Ironforge Pro has recorded less than 200k CHARACTERS on SoD, with alts that would be well under 100k players
Meanwhile retail has over 4.7 million characters logged for s4 alone on raider.io
Its pathetic just how dead classic is and even more pathetic just how stupid its defenders are
>All it has done is dispel people's nostalgia for old expansions
Can you think of any retail expansion that would get 3 different spinoffs (hardcore, som, sod)? You can't, can you?
>desperate fotm servers that die in a week are actually a good thing chud!
lmfao, desperation isnt a good thing
Retail gets 3 full expansions, classic gets 3 shitty spinoffs for streamers
Tell me which one is popular and successful
Probably the one that they keep pulling out to support your corpse of a product.
>retail t-totally needs classic
>no dont look at all the dev work being spent on retail you NEED the 50k classic players not the millions of retail ones
lol
If retail could support itself, they wouldn't have started Classic in the first place.
>If retail could support itself
it can
>they wouldn't have started Classic in the first place
yeah why would a company want to milk moron boomers and make free money for 0 effort?
>milk moron boomers and make free money for 0 effort
Where did I mention the retail cash shop?
>Where did I mention the retail cash shop?
classic is too hard for boomers, please stop coping
that's all headcanon, especially this poisoning the well about nostalgia and being a child
what child had his parents buy him a subscription based MMO where he can talk to strangers ?
This strawman only exists in your head, and Vanilla raiding still gets more active players TODAY than Dragonflight gets
>Meanwhile retail has over 4.7 million characters logged for s4 alone on raider.io
I have a friend that still plays WoW. He has 5+ alts that he keeps at current max content.
If we assume that most players are the same then it wouldn't even take 1 million actual accounts to hit 4.7 million "characters logged".
>I have a friend that still plays WoW. He has 5+ alts that he keeps at current max content.
the funniest trick wowtroons tried to pull is to act as if every wowbuck doesn't have several alts when it's literally the alting game and thye make leveling more and more quick and easy every expansion
afaik you can have a character at DF-cap in a day now. of course people have fricking alts
they had alts when having an alt was actually still a pain in the ass
i was attached to my main and even i had alts that i did m+ on
wow players constantly complain about alts and needed them to play the game and do things.
Blizzard used it agaisnt them for years now in order to keep the mazed.
It wasnt until DF that they even started to loosen those restrictions realizing they need to ATLEAST keep there mazed players.
>If we assume that most players are the same
We already know from Blizzard the average number of alts is much lower
> then it wouldn't even take 1 million actual accounts to hit 4.7 million "characters logged".
which still puts it leagues ahead of Classic with a mere 200k characters logged.
>We already know from Blizzard the average number of alts is much lower
Suure we do, because that's trustworthy.
>official statements? d-doesnt count
>but my one friend totally maintains 5 characters so thats definitely the average
lmfao
the desperation in your cope is palpable
>company would never lie
morono
>t-they could lie
>so better base everything off 1 friends anecdotal claims
surely you arent this moronic
my friend > company (not your friend)
wild concept I know
The fun part is there are a few people in his guild that are the same with a lot of alts.
He was telling me that they are supposed to do some "war band" thing in the future where all your stuff is automatically shared between alts. I wonder if this will have an effect.
>my friend said a few people in his guild maintain multiple alts
>so obviously the average player has 5 serious alts despite the fact that most players dont even have a serious main
delusion
why would they be making a new feature for people that have a ton of alts if no one has alts
Don't be logical.
ok I will install wow now
don't, delves could be shit tier content in TWW and imagine wasting your money for 4 zones and then getting declined for raids and m+ for several hours
because moronic soccer moms are convinced they cant change characters unless their reputations from 15 years ago are copied over
They do not PLAY their alts. Having a stable of characters ungeared is not playing your alts and none of those characters get logged by WCL or raider.io
that sounds like cope brother
the system only exists to let you farm mog and old reps on alts
None of that involves running real content on the characters
>Having a stable of characters ungeared
Most of the people with alts have them because they gear them out. You also get more chances at shit by having more characters at the end game.
>Most of the people with alts have them because they gear them out.
They do not
Most people dont even have a main geared out. The majority of players dont even run high enough keys to max their vault which is the bare fricking minimum for actually playing the game
>You also get more chances at shit by having more characters at the end game.
The shit that they farm is mounts from 8 year old raids, which you do not need to be geared to do
>Most people dont even have a main geared out
The people keeping the lights on and actually playing the game do.
And Google said they weren't killing the Stadia until the day they killed it.
Companies don't have to be truthful.
There is no reason to believe the yellow line is 5.8M
Some people say the line is based on revenue or google trends.
>no y-axis
>"expectation" data
>unofficial leak, not confirmed as real
This is worse than some Smash Bros leaks.
>i-its not real
MMO players falling apart when the genres popularity hasn't innovated or expanded since 2004. Yes this includes FF14gays and retailgays.
>i-it's real!
>s-sisters our dilation erp sessions keep getting mogged by the cosby suite
>people still trusting beullular stats
hillarious
>Classic is completely fricking dead you mong
then retail doesn't even exist
It's the only metric you can track publicly, it's not a good metric anyway since most people don't run dungeons
nope
so like 50k active players at best?
wow had his lows, but you must be delusional to think wow is not miles above in popularity even videos talking about cataclysm classic (something not that interesting for the wow community) get hundreds of thousands views of youtube
The only delusional one here is you buddy
like i said, delusional
not watching your ecelebs moron buy an ad
>proven wrong
>moron moron moron!
thanks for your service
nope, stay mad wowslopper
i'm 100% positive on you looking those vids about a spinoff of a hated version to see if they had 6 figures of views and they did lil'bro. pffft hahahaha
English website monkey try again.
Raids are not worth it and everyone does M+ because you get pretty much the same gear from it but easier and there's nothing else to do.
>it's like the same 5-6 guys
Agreed.
>hate the ffxiv cultists
>hate the wow trooners
>hate myself
>play both games
heh i'm surely winning
A lot of the tier sets look like shit but this is kino in comparison. The game looks really old and bad looking but sometimes good things come out of it.
>ff14 troonys thinking anyone knows or gives a frick about their stupid game
The bizarre over importance you give to that game is bizarre. Its not popular it never was popular just stop coping
>muh ff trannies
XIV doesn't have literal bearded women
>frogtard
>defending the LITERAL troony game
ppfffhahahaha
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA
cant believe ugly dwarf retextures are a back of the box selling point
Honestly? Same.
I thought Dragonflight looked kind of anemic in terms of features, but TWW literally has
>Delves
A feature that already seems to be considered monotone after people did 2 runs
>More talents upon talents
Not a bad idea, but do we need more of them? Also, a lot of people dislike them because they just wanted class hero skins and all that, not power being tied to a hero fantasy they hate forcing them to pick another hero fantasy. And also none of those hero fantasies go full in on the aesthetic, anyway
>Earthen Dwarves
Literally troony dwarf recolors
>Warbands
A fancy name for what basically means account-wide reputation. That's not a feature, it's QoL improvement that should find its way into a patch.
Earthen as an expac feature race are a fricking disappointment. More so than getting limited race no headgear/hairstyle female half of the Hrothgar race.
Earthen are based, youre too much of a homosexual to appreciate dwarves
>essentially a HD remake of voidheart, lock T4
>priest set
>locks get a skirt, veil and nipple chains
SoD is more retail than retail at this point, I don't even know who is israeliteing who anymore
I’m looking for pservers to play because sod is that fricking bad
blizzard have been living stealing shit from everyone since their beginin
WoW has good PvE encounters and thats the only thing that matters. It mogs the everloving shit out of all other games.
I actually had fun playing Dragonflight for a few months. Wonder if the new expansion will be any good or if I should go to FF14.
>Weebs think their little indie game invented sigils and nobody else can use them
At least wow is not full of literal cheaters like xiv
Remember to always laugh at the delusional classictard
This is why i quit WoW for ESO, at least i have zero headaches there.
stole the naarus from final fantasy 14
Why blizz is so shameless
Does The War Within even have a release date yet?
whatever week prior to dawntrail release date
>Thread for XIVgay seethe
The Priest set is amazing btw, seethe and cry more.
KWAB
>Everyone who Shits on Blizzard is a XIVgay
You gays and the NVtrannies are the same
There is, as far as I'm concerned, not a single WoW set that is "amazing".
By WoW standards, sure.
But WoW standards is pajamas with hovering plates glued to it.
>guys believe me when i saw theyre moving wow to maintenance mode and the game is dead
>you have to believe me
>just like when I said this in 2016
>and 2010
just looks like a spiritual update to Warlock T4 for me.
How's this aping XIV?
stole from final fantasy 14
That's fine since FF14 is a WoW copy like so many other MMOs (but not all)
>look at this
>oh it's just them trying hard and failing to make a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set
>it's for priests
how the frick do they fail this hard?
I actually thought it was a priest set from the start.
They usually make the most fricked up versions for priests.
c'mon now
this set is more a spiritual update to warlock t4 than paladin t19 is to paladin t2
>this set is more a spiritual update to warlock t4
Its literally a set based on the naaru. Its nothing at all like warlock t4
There are a billion sets with spikey shoulders
You are deluded. There's no point trying to point out the obvious to you.
youre completely moronic, if you hadnt stumbled into this thread to look at the 1 purple version you would never have commented about lock t4
It has 0 similarities with any of the light versions
sorry, i am right and you are wrong
copacetic
>how the frick do they fail this hard?
They didnt? Its a great looking set and everyone loves it
>trying hard and failing
delusional
>a better version of the warlock karazhan tier set
It looks way better than warlock t4, but its not supposed to be warlock t4 at all moron. Its a naaru set
looks like shit
it's a leveling set with some neon lights slapped on top
belt doesn't fit
are the shoes part of the set?
>wow still uses the same 20 year old robes
Jesus Fricking Christ.
Naaru and Naaru aesthetics are literally nearly as old as WoW itself is. I'm all for dogging on WoW for blatantly stealing from XIV, but this isn't a case of it.
looks pretty familiar to a 20+ years old design
XIVchads eating good tonight. The WoWcucks are in an absolute frenzy
you're both the same
Art team carrying again, GG
double preordered
why are all ex-wow players fem au ra or lalafell
Dwarfs/gnomes and blood elves
it's pretty grim that dragonflight of all expansions had on average far better tier sets than the woman within is currently touting in their first tier: the tier that needs to draw people in
yeah haha... looks great haha... hes a dragon no way..
It's supposed to be bug spider shit. But it's just shit.
i mean come on at least try a little yknow
they're probably banking on people to use the zone world quest armor or whatever it is with the crusader vibes
but this is literally raid gear. how can you justify just dropping the ball on it and not caring at all
jesus fricking christ
not even a helmet will save those stupid wings
oh it has a helmet now
sorry I just went to wowhead's whole tier list page and it was still helmetless
the helmet is probably the one part that looks somewhat "cool", but that doesn't save it from looking shit. the wings are dumb and the entire set just has this really mobile tier playdough vibe
Looks pretty good on Belvès at least
the art direction here really is "Take a plain leveling set with 1 or 2 colors and add some neon/monster bullshit awkwardly on top of it so it stands out because it's out of place"
you can do this for dungeon gear maybe, but as an endgame tier set this is just awful
I know it's the first tier set and those are always a bit weak but this is just pathetic
I could make this in 20 minutes
yeah bro just a regular leveling set for sure
yeah 100%
take the neon off of it and it's a leveling/dungeon set
it doesn't even look cooler than the Wrath crafted plate sets
just aggressive coping and lying
Leveling sets dont look anything like that.
How about you post a better set instead of continuing to lie
nah it's pretty close to leveling/dungeon sets
you quite literally pick any leveling set and add random shit on top of it, make it glow and it's a TWW tier set
HOLY FRICK WHAT A TOP-TIER TIER SET
which discord are you guys coming from today?
How about you post what you think a rogue set looks like that isnt somehow questing gear
>y-you must all be gathering in a discord to bully meeeeee >:'(
Jesus frick, that's pathetic.
>didnt post a set
I accept your concession
You troons need to be less obvious next time
>discord
How new are you?
HOOOOLLLYYYYYYY I MUST GET THIS SET
HOW DO I GET THIS THIS IS THE BEST ROGUE SET IVE SEEN IN AGES
>my opponent's eyes getting fricked by this BEAST set
holy based
that looks nothing like the rogue set at all
typed through tears
you btfo that homosexual so hard he's coping LMAO
the mintshade regalia... kino...
Shame you can only get it by doing col'gate mythic.
You should work for Blizzard. You could evidently make better tier sets than they can.
I can't work for blizzard, I'm white and straight
Can we have more of these?
unironically yeah. the glow is the only thing setting it apart. without it, that entire set would be questing/dungeon-tier
>obnoxious and flashy sfx shit
Yep, it's a good tier set. Hope they keep pushing sets like these and the Priest one.
Holy frick, those colors
That's an evil windchime theme not an autism wizard glyph get your floating marks right.
>its bad because...it just is!
okay so post a better set
well, at least they don't copy their netcode
yeah the netcode is the worst part about ff14
surprised it works at all with how janky it is
it's funny because slide casting is meta, which is just abusing their poor netcode
People always say how good slidecasting feels, which is kind of true, but nobody ever mentions the dogshit ass reverse of it. When you stop moving, you need to stay still for a fraction of a second before you can cast or your cast gets interrupted, and it's fricking awful
This is in WoW though. I did it all the time when I played.
The last .5 secs or so of a cast doesn't actually have to happen so you jump or move during that period to cast your spell then and also be "moving" while it casts.
It works in old wow because they used to have poor netcode. It doesn't really work anymore
It was working in Legion, the last time I cared to play.
Frick off moron, I don't play either game.
No its not troony
People are raving over this but it just feels so uninspired
Meanwhile: https://imgur.com/a/RqJP2mr
so glad we're getting another class with loose gear
I like how RDM is just Dante with a hat now
meanwhile another paladin set that looks the same as all the others?
Most of those are dogshit ngl. I really hate xiv armors. the cloth edges are always too sharp and there's too many metal pieces tacked on.
yeah
well at least wow races can wear helms and hats LOL
Really, we're going there when WoW has diapergnomes and Dracthyr?
>2024
>blizzard still cant give players actual 3d armor
How the frick are people still playing WoW? It's like still watching all the Marvel shows and movies.
>warlocks are strippers now
t...thanks....
remember to touch wieners with your male succubus for a powerup
now post the female version
>female
that's body type 2 for you chud
and it's just a strap across the chest
are they going to retcon illidan's room full of hookers to be warlocks in training
they already added men to his harem
for Medivh in kara too
apparently having sex slaves is okay as long as you are being inclusive
Rare based set from Blizzard that isn't overdesigned Korean MMO flashy dogshit.
Only way this set can be saved is if the missing shoulder piece just literally gives your character two extra pairs of arms, even then it's only something to put with other better sets
my eyes fricking hurt? good set
those shoes look so out of place and phoned in
also
>still using the same old "robe" from the start of wow
zzzzz
no way, nurse shoes?
because a priest is a healer?
ok, now that's KINO
Don't act like FF14 invented floating face sigils, that's dishonest
>not one troony has posted a rogue set that doesnt somehow look like questing gear
really makes you think...
>Unique Silhouette
>Unique model for shoulders, boots, gloves and belt
>3D elements even on the chest and legs
>good use of color, primary, secondary and accent slots all used to effect (insane that I have to say this about a multimillion dollar operation, this is design 101)
>completely unique feel and clearly distinct aesthetic from every other rogue set
>detailed texturing with good material expression
>feels premium and elite
>it's not even the mythic version
gonna cry?
piss your pants maybe?
maybe shit and cum?
That looks cool
god I hated the legion art direction
not like it's better now of course
This looks more like a questing set than anything else
>Unique Silhouette
so just like the other set
>Unique model for shoulders, boots, gloves and belt
just like the other set
>3D elements even on the chest and legs
3D elements on the legs of the new set.
>completely unique feel and clearly distinct aesthetic from every other rogue set
Current set is uniquely designed to look like an ethereal. Meanwhile that is just a generic pirate set
>detailed texturing with good material expression
So just like on the new set, with clearly seperate leather and cloth wrappings
>feels premium and elite
Nothing about this set feels premium or elite. Its completely unremarkable compared to generic kultiras questing gear
>it's not even the mythic version
Which is only designated by a basic particle effect on the shoulder
Youre desperate and pathetic. It has one extra 3D piece on the chest and a completely forgettable design
didn't read
cope
HOLY SHIT KINO! KINO SOVL!!1
>doesnt count because....SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
you lost troon
>transparent and glow shit
HOLY KINO
15/10 tier raid set how do I get it???
I miss when people weren't straight up sociopaths and would rather brick a key (and waste 50+ minutes of everyone's time) than do a +1 clear instead of the +3 they wanted
>he plays maze +
if people didn't suck to play with you would like it too
I'll never forgive Nu-World of Warcraft for making all Dungeon sets the exact same fricking thing with a different name.
Every single dungeon set since at LEAST Shadowlands but probably even earlier is the EXACT SAME APPEARANCE in the ENTIRE expansion. There's no fricking excuses for this shit, if FFXIV can make some recolored crafted gear and the occasional new gear for their dungeon loot then WoW should be able to do that too.
>year of our lord 2000+(12*2)
>WoW armor designs are STILL just designs painted to the same 3D model they've been using for over a decade
To Blizzxisters really?
>nobody posted the shaman set yet
It's so fricking awful holy fricking shit. I know it's cool to shit on wow but dragonflight had some decent sets. War Within so far makes me feel like they just fired everyone.
Well, go on and post it. They haven't made a good shaman set since Ten Storms, so I want to see how bad it is.
Dragonflight had a pretty good Shaman set. Maybe 2, depending on who you ask.
one brings shadow one brings light
This looks awful and I don't like it one bit. Nothing about it makes me think of a shaman, and I can't even begin to guess what the bonuses for this set do. It's trash, and whoever made it should feel bad for doing a bad job.
>Nothing about it makes me think of a shaman
Water doesnt make you think of a shaman?
Youre trying too hard
>and I can't even begin to guess what the bonuses for this set do
when have sets ever given you a single hint about their mechanics?
The floating crystal doesn't look like water at all.
its not a crystal, its flowing water
It's a water ponytail.
Is it just me or does this set go with Legion resto shaman artifact?
Cut content perhaps?
Perchance.
>only the helmet is animated and obnoxious
lame
If you told me this was a wotlk/cata priest set I'd believe you.
dragonflight wasn't amazing but the fact that it has better sets than tww in their introductory raid that is meant to appeal to people is FRICKING GRIM
To be fair dragonflight had its worst sets on the intro raid. Priest went on to have one of it's best sets period on season 2, and shaman on season 3 for instance.
PARTY ROCKERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
WOWERS GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME
can you die of heart disease already?
Most AF gear look like shit too, why are FFXIVgays so arrogant about eating the same shit wowgays are stuck with?
In the end they're all the same mmo pigeons.
AF gear, whether or not it looks good, actually has texture. Show me a peice of cloth gear from WoW that doesn't look like someone spray-paintied a snuggie. And no, oversized paldrons don't count.
I think both wow and xiv have the worst armor design among every fricking MMORPG out there.
Say one MMO with good armor design then.
Aion, Lineage 2
ff11
Yeah they're awful. I especially can't stand XIV armors and clothes. The best ones are the starting race sets somehow.
>WoW
maybe
>XIV
I don't know how you can say that unless you are looking for one specific aesthetic. There's way too much variance in XIV armor and glamour design for it to be uniformly claimed to be "bad" unless you just hate the graphics.
>unless you just hate the graphics.
I hate the graphics too
looks cool, but we all know xiv players buy the lore-breaking real life outfits from the shop.
People who play any RPG will buy the lore-breaking meme/modern outfits for their character. This isn't really FFXIV exclusive, it's in many places in WoW too. If other players burn your autism too much, there's even Duty Support now, so you can have a wholly lore-appropriate experience through most of the game.
:[
>fantasy clown costume than wearing designer jeans and a fashion tank top
bro...
>Costume that looks like a creature that's been in the game since WC3
vs
>Over ear headphones, hoodie and jeans
girls love modern casual glams
>xiv
>girls
just because the NA servers are troon central doesn't mean JP and EU are
Dude like every other female gamer plays xiv. Almost half the entire playerbase is girls. It's insane.
>he doesn't know
Would stand up if they didn't add an anime magical girl set to wow.
yeah, i'll pick the latter
you look like a clown
i would be willing to accept this
but i've seen gw2 armor and it looks fricking dogshit
/wowg/ is here.
wowg here
you're all fricking GAY!!!!!!!
remember when tier sets were cool and made you want to get all the pieces so your guy could look cool?
I remember when t2 looked like leveling gear
I'm a priest main so no
priest has always been the devs' baby
for most of the game's lifespan they let shadow priests kill people in BGs by putting 2 dots on them and running away
all shit
dragon soul tier is the only decent priest raid set in the entire game
Tier 5 looks pretty flashy, but all the other sets look like lame dogshit
>posts boomer pixelslop
I like this one, not the new one from Dragonflight.
Never got my Judgement chestplate, fricking Nefarian only dropped one out of all the runs we did.
WoW
•sub numbers under 500k
•mostly played by trannies and furries
•story is just a weird amalgamation of plot points stolen from marvel and ff14
•all sexy npc and player armors altered to not offend trannies
•same skillless gameplay and boring builder spender cd based class design
XIV
•millions of subscribers
•mostly played by giga Chads and giga Stacys
•completely original plot
•hot npcs and sexy clothing options everywhere
this shit looks like ass, man. awful colors and no proper shading, and every material blends together
What the frick is this.
Your DK tier set, bro
it looks so fricking mobile game playdoughy
>buzzword buzzword buzzword
uh huh
it looks like it's made out of play dough
and like it belongs in a game that you download on a mobile phone
It doesnt at all
stop trying so hard to invent things to complain about, its really pathetic
>It doesnt at all
It does.
It looks fricking flat and boring and like you'd see it in a kindergarten.
>It looks fricking flat
it doesnt though, there are nicks and wear marks all over the metal, theres chainmail under the chest and on the legs, tons of shading on the belt cloth
Why are you trying so hard anon?
>wowtroons think this is peak armor design
I can make the helmet and shoulders work for a meme outfit
You could also be playing a better game with good artistic direction instead.
nah, weebshit wow isn't my thing and the other mmos are dead and ass
I didn't say 14, literally any other game. Warlo is absolute dogshit.
WoW sets these days are overdesigned.
Where are the more simple looking armors?
They're introducing more simple looking armor to the game nowadays since players have been asking for it a lot
Unironically looks pretty good compared to almost everything in this thread. If the belt wasn't this moronic-looking skull motif, the armor plating clearly protected the body instead of constantly leaving these exposed arms and legs, and if the tassel wasn't glowing for no specific reason, I'd argue this is an excellent piece of armor design for WoW.
that's the best wow set I have ever seen lol
would have been awesome without the moronic glow on the belt drape
The belt is not part of the set. I just grabbed some random Transmog from google. There are plenty of more simple set nowadays it just happens that tier sets are always over the top designs.
I kinda liked the first tier of BFA for being slightly simpler while still looking decently impressive. Wasn't worth losing class tier for though
that's not a whole set but a mix of different gear thoughever albeit
The simple armor comes from quests and dungeons
It's only fair right?
Yoshi P copied WoW and is going ot be copying it into DT which is this games WoD. XIVtroons are going reeee even more.
While WoW copied the goods from XIV and will return to being King of MMOS with TWW
>this games WoD
sounds kino
>Worst expansion to date
>Kino
yeah forget about the best leveling, best raids, best music, and best class design, I literally cannot stop playing wow so the only metric I care about is how much time there was between content patches
Dragonflight was a shit-tier expansion story and general raid aesthetic wise.
But what was it.. season 2? It had some really good tier sets.
The Alexstrasza priest set, the cool-ass Death Knight set with the spikes, the Sargeras Demon Hunter set.
>walk into limsa lopozma
>everyone wearing yeezys
>see a hroth wearing trainers
it's awful
>Even FFXIV does WoW-style armor better than WoW
Grim!
I play neither but fricking hell, that bow in your pic
>random pulleys which do nothing
>random handles all over
>random chain (?)
>the arrow so massive it can't even be pulled back without clipping through the whole bow
>random flamethrowers in the front
Who the frick designed this
XIV bows are the absolute worst designed of any video game.
now post ff overworld
hahahhahahahaahahaha!!!!
Ok
I don't think anyone is going to deny WoW wins when it comes to zone design. The problem is immediate content abandonment where all that work the devs put on zones is wasted because the only thing they're good for after reaching max level is inane timegated world quest rep grinds.
>I don't think
that much is obvious
>anyone
I don't consider shitposters and deranged fanboys to be people.
same, which is why I just laugh at people like this
>I don't think anyone is going to deny WoW wins when it comes to zone design
You clearly haven't been in enough wow and xiv threads
WoW's zone design and artstyle is way overpraised. It was nice when it came out and its biggest competitors were Everquest and FFXI.
this isn't really a good example because it's just glowshit and fog out the ass
I love the crazy designs that WoW has for armor. It's clearly inspired by Warhammer and going for a more realistic approach would be dumb.
*toilet flush*
comfy
>Unironically looks better
(lack of) Vegetation and the ground color makes Kholusia look like ass. The ground texture tiling in XIV also looks like shit and it isn't an issue with WoW
I want to ask the people who make XIV why they're so allergic to trees. I know some zones have them but 99% of the zones are just plain plains.
>posts niller screenshot and not a shadowbringers one
lol
lmao
wow ground textures are pretty unflattering from any angle that isn't top view
Are you really going to bring ground texture to this discussion? I didn't really want to do it since it is such a low blow to XIV graphics...
yeah, I will, since you're pretending wow does it all better
That looks fine
looks pretty bad to me.
I can hear the gay centaurs going at it in the distance
I fricking wish they stole more. Blizzard always worked best when they stole things other games did and did them better.
But at this point I'm beyond suspension of disbelief when it comes to WoW somehow getting onto a decent characterization and narrative track, and they're still going so hard with FOMO/timegating to the point of aping Bungie on Destiny 2 that I'll happily stick with ol' faithful and predictable (if a bit boring) FF14.
>WELL MY troony INFESTED GAY homosexual GAME IS MARGINALLY LESS SHIT THAN YOUR troony INFESTED GAY homosexual GAME!
Okay but which game has more futa, troony and gay porn?
I don't know actually.....
Wow I'd say, had a massive headstart and the furry multiplier.
Off-game probably WoW just because it's older.
In-game definitely FFXIV, no contest.
>In-game definitely FFXIV, no contest.
Goldshire ERP servers...
wow
it was basically patient zero what with all the goldshire futa draenei horsewiener garbage
Believe it or not, WoW.
Searching for Futanari and FFXIV together gives 182 pages.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=futanari+final_fantasy_xiv+&pid=7812
Searching for WoW and Futanari gives 404 pages.
https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=futanari+world_of_warcraft+&pid=16926
I think the XIVvies call them "transwoman", "Newhalf" or "trap"
none of those mean the same thing as futanari, but you knew that already
>cultists
>knowing things
you overestimate the intelligence of wowbabs
dude it's a chick with a dick don't try to pretend it's deep
>intentionally watering down language
literally 1984
6 years headstart and XIV is not even half-way there.
WoW is leading here quite a lot.
>>WELL MY troony INFESTED
EVERYTHING is troony infested so that's kind of a moot point.
I feel like WoW has been using fogfrickery a lot more often as of late.
https://files.catbox.moe/q1xef0.png
i thought wowchads were immune to this degeneracy.....
What in the holy frick is that
just imagine if modding in wow was as easy as in ziv
damn