Book reader here, recommend me games with outstanding narrative. I am talking zenith of the medium.
Book reader here, recommend me games with outstanding narrative. I am talking zenith of the medium.
Book reader here, recommend me games with outstanding narrative. I am talking zenith of the medium.
Hatred
Postal is better.
Also the last of us is shit.
If you like reading, Planescape is for you.
harry potter and maze runner is not real literature dumb b***h
Literature sucks though, it’s boring and uncreative.
What literature did you read?
Yeah I know this b***h isn't reading From Hell
You're absolutely right about Harry Potter, yet even inspite of this fact, it just so happened to spawn the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.
Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.
>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.
Harry Potter is for women as Star Wars is for men: Entry-level mediocre poor examples of genre fiction.
i read harry potter as a kid and i grew up to read camus, hemingway, mccarthy, joyce, and dostoevsky :^) seethe about it
>2016+ newbie drops a bunch of popular big names like it's something
epic for the win!!
I’m an 07 underage b& newbie and literally looked to my right and read names off my bookshelf, seethe homosexual :^)
literature is not a hipster genre like video games. As far as high literature goes, the "popular big names" ARE the best literature there is.
Yeah man Gravity’s Rainbow and Naked Lunch are peak writing and not just postmodern wordvomit slop that people pretend to like to appear hip. Literature is for sure 100% an authentic field where critical regard and quality are perfectly correlated.
this image is making me irrationally angry. some of the placements are obviously trolls, but then i can't tell if ALL of the placements are supposed to be wrong, because some of them should be right, and now i can't tell if i'm being trolled on a fricking higher level or not ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That image has been kicking about forever
it's 100% sincere, at least in it's original context
This images pops daily at Ganker, it's fun and some of the placements (the praises, mainly) are absolutely deserved
that's the point, it's supposed to be hard to tell what is moronic rather than being LOL haha what a joke
Atlas shrugged is bad.
Man, Quentin was fricking moronic, RIP
There it is
>gatsby in god
>huckleberry in shit
This is bait
>1984 above Brave New World
Opinion immediately disregarded.
Thank you for your service
Clifford should be higher.
is The Brothers Karamazov really that good? I've not read much Russian literature and it's one of the "classics" that I know least about.
It’s my favorite book, unironically. Read it for the first time 10 years ago and reread it like once a year, and I don’t reread shit
Dostoevsky is the single good thing russia has ever produced so yeah its worth a read.
I'd read all his books, they're all pretty good.
NTA. It's one of the few books that I will preach to the high heavens about until my dying day.
It's a long read from many different perspectives about a worthless drunkard-miscreant and his sons. It has highs and lows, but when it comes together it feels like a window into the time period and the minds of various people of different struggles. If there is anything about it that interests you, please read it.
sounds like the Doll (Lalka) by Prus
it's a full vertical slice of XIXth century Poland with its many ethnical, political and class struggles
sublte trolling aside I never knew Ganker loved invisible man so much....it's consistently high tier in remixes of this going on for a over a decade...
>Don Quixote
>God Tier
explain
>protagonist is a based schizo that brings the quality of life of everyone around him down
that's all it needs really.
im glad this is still catching so many people in 2024
That tier list was defo made by a mutt.
This is the list made by quentin calle bjorsson which is shitposting, dont take it too seriously.
Les Miserables is good though, The Stranger too.
Don Quijote is pure garbage. Great Gatsby you are better off watching the movie. Atlas Shrugged there is probably a movie out there its overrated.
idk what that Russian novel is about. Les Miserables is good, watch the movie.
Another overrated piece of classic literature:
Count of Montecristo dont watch it or read it.
>man gets framed by his best friend that wants to cuck him because he finds his wife hot
>gets sent to that prision island napoleon got sent to
>napo tells him where he hid a huge treasure
>dudes in jail
>meets a ex-military ex-priest that was trying to escape
>asks for fencing training because he is set on revenge
>training montange blabhlbah
>priest dies
>dude uses the body bag of the priest to escape jail
>escapes
>finds tresure of napoleon
>becomes count of montecristo
>starts getting everyone involved in his framing arrested
>at the end he kills the guy that cucked him
extremely simplistic, no morale of the story other than frick you its moronic
Classics are for midwits that want to sound smart.
>shit talking the count of monte KINOcristo
its overrated and you are a midwit frick classical literature.
maybe, its been like 10 years since I read it but I also tried the movie and both were good from what I remember
its just a dude that gets cucked and gets revenge.
the traitor that wants to cuck you exists in gaming too, Kain from Final Fantasy 4 is kinda like this
>A Kanye West book
>Anything but shit
homie get the frick outta here. Just because he's right about israelites doesn't mean he's smart.
they are. just not good literature
Also true for every video game ever
>videogames are not books
no shit anon
I'm sure the 80 IQ hispanics of Ganker know about literature when people here unironically praise MGS2 as a "post modern masterpiece".
it is
The Neverending Story chads rise up!
Only watched the movie, sorry.
Say my name, b***h
start with the greeks
damn, book readers look like THAT?
what game?
>"etc. etc."
>words get split if text too long
>wall of text making it harder to understand the meaning of a bigger idea.
>use of punctuation and paragraph structure hindering flow
I want autists to stop reading shit like David Foster Wallace, study real human interactions and reduce their babble to a clear form. Many have interesting ideas, but are godawful at structuring or condensing them. Unironically, writing poetry out of their conceptions would help them.
everyone should be a book reader so the fact that people identify as book readers like it's a niche hobby is kind of embarrassing. you could read cookbooks and call yourself a book reader, but the unspoken and pretentious assumption here is that they read books that are smarter than you can handle
It IS a niche hobby though. Most zoomers have never read a book in their life that wasn't part of their mandatory high school reading and millennials have so much political brainrot that they refuse to read books written by dead old white men, so basically every book that has any sort of literary value.
>It IS a niche hobby though.
Is this guy a legit moron?
I wouldn't call it "niche" but you would be surprised how few people have actually picked up a book since school
In the year 2024?
Reading books is absolutely a niche hobby.
It's not niche. This may be surprising to you, but the book industry is the second highest grossing entertainment industry after gaming. Books make more money than movies and music.
Buying books != reading books
It is a niche hobby. No one reads books but they still continue to sell well. It's your bog standard "I have to buy this I heard it's good" and it sits on your shelf forever never even being opened. Or they buy it for clout.
This is true. I work in a Library and zoomers come in after school to hang out and I’ve never seen a single one read. Not even manga. They just talk stupid shit and sit on their phones scrolling endlessly through TikTok etc.
video games have the worst storytelling in any medium. They are consistently low quality, that's why we consider mediocre shit like TLoU and Specs Ops: The Line some of the best vidya stories
even in college, most people I've met don't really read anything.
>you could read cookbooks and call yourself a book reader
you could play exclusive mobileshit/gachashit and call yourself a gamer. So what?
Shadow of the colossus
Gears of war 2
Spec ops the line
Halo reach
The Forgotten City, Slay the Princess, The Stanley Parable, To the Moon
>Halo Reach
LMAO
It’s a great narrative that is uniquely experienced through the interactivity of vidya. The show about it is way shittier lol
The show is one of the worst things ever made by humans but that doesn't change the fact that the game narrative has shit characters and a boring plot
The environmental storytelling is very good but that's every Bungie Halo game. The writing is moronic
The characters are great and the plot is predictable but enjoyable as hell
You’re just mindbroken and probably can’t name a single piece of media you enjoy because it’s all shit. Anon it’s a you problem not the world’s
>the characters are great
lol
>probably can't name a single piece of media you enjoy because it's all shit
How did you go from "Halo Reach's writing is shit" to "everything is shit" lmao the reason I shit on Reach is because it's one of the Halo games with the worst writing
Ghost Trick's great, go play that
Rapelay
idk its like comparing poetry to music. theyre more or less the same but they just hit different and for completely different moods but overall the best poetry is still much better written than the best songs. but that doesnt take away from music at all.
its a stupid argument which is at the core of the bait OP plopped into here
>hit different
opinion discarded
Only musically moronic people think this, because they don't understand or even notice the music, only the lyrics, which are completely irrelevant to the quality of the music.
white people be like
>i have a bone to pick with you
lmoa
>WYPIPO BE LIEK
God, this place really is just brown third worlders and mutt zoomers these days.
Demons Roots
I remember checking to tiktok and people were rec'ing shit like GoW4, TLoU2, and don't remember what else. The most 'unsual' rec was fricking final fantasy 6, lol.
not to be mean but that b***h is dumb and only reads YA
>recommend me games with outstanding narrative.
>planescape torment
>disco elysium
>silent hill 2
>metal gear solid 2
>HUGE POWER GAP
>telltale's the walking dead
>red dead redemption 2
>the last of us
>mass effect 2
grim
Low Spec!? ~Ore to Toshishita Kanojo to Seikyouiku!~
Just read VNs anon. Check out the VN database and pick anyone
Which is worse, being an incel, or getting a girlfriend just to have her stolen by your cousin?
What vn is that?
Umineko
>what should we play? we'll do whatever you tell us
please stop playing video games, just fricking stop i'm begging you
Blood Omen/Soul Reaver series
Make an Excel file to keep notes.
Honestly, anything. If you think that the TLOU tv show is one of the best stories then you'll be entertained by literally anything.
I only read sci-fi.
Disco Elysium
>Ganker are /misc/
newbie, Ganker overlaps with /news/.
you look like this
irl
GOTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEM xDDD
>newbie keeps repeating newbieisms
lol
i lift more than you, read more than you, enjoy more vidya than you and have more sex than you, but i could never outseethe you so i guess we’re even :^)
>seethe seethe seethe seethe seethe
>you look like this ROFLMAO!
aw someone broke the newbie bot
you’re conflating me with another anon, but looks like your seething keeps you popular so at least you’ve also got that going for you :^)
I cannot think of a more insufferable board than /news/
i would recommend the two latest god of war games. The gameplay is very beginner-friendly friendly and the game from 2018 (its just called god of war like the original in 2005, yes its confusing) is a great jumping-on-point for the series. If you like them maybe you try out the first three too. they have pretty good stories, but the gameplay is moore "complex" and involved than two last games. If you really want to see what the medium can offer i would recomend playing Fallout New Vegas, Norco and black mesa they are really good. Or Hope you find what you are searching for. The medium has some great stories to tell.
you seem to be very insecure about your lack of education and intelligence.
you seem to be very insecure about how you look like this
irl
Not at all, unlike you, I lift and I don't wear glasses. Why are you so painfully insecure about both your looks and your lack of education?
oh so you look like this instead got it I can see why you'd be insecure about that
So, polgays read books and you only watch TV and play video games all day? Did I get this right?
i also talk to girls sometimes not that you could do that even if you stopped being a /misc/gay because you look like this
irl
Anon, no! He's going to say you look like THAT irl and totally own you!!!! Oh I was too late.
Oh no, how humilating. I will go and cry now.
The Last Of Us: Part 2
Starfield
Saints Row Reboot
Redfall
Suicide Squad
who the frick is gatekeeping the last of us?
Suda51's older stuff has some of the best writing in videogames. 'The Silver Case' and 'The 25th Ward' will be up your alley since they're largely VN's. 'Killer 7' is his magnum opus and has many layers of intersecting themes to pick at, with a heavy dose of purposeful misdirection and obfuscation. 'No More Heroes' is fun to analyze as well.
I'm honestly tired of all the rants about people not reading as much books anymore as they used to. It's just a medium, one of many. It's not related to intelligence either - you don't have to be intelligent to read and imagine scenes, reading cheap romance novel makes you smart and so on. Finally, I read a lot but not "story" books - research articles, social commentaries, textbooks, manuals and the like. I don't have time for stories, yet I already know many of themes or concepts in use from reading detailed plot summaries of most of notable sci-fi/fantasy books. I can easily guess plot twists of both books, movies or games. And yet, for "book advocates", I'm no different from some troglodyte. All because I don't like his favourite medium.
Video games are a higher art form than film and books and Im tired of pretending they aren't
No, they are different medium, not better or worse but different - interactive and less rigid but it also makes it harder for author to force his interpretation.
No, not just different, better, more potential, less explored.
You could have the best book or film ever exist entirely in a video game but you could not do the inverse
This. Especially so if we include visual novels as video games (which I suppose is debatable, they may be their own thing). If a visual novel is a video game then vidya as a whole entirely contain the art forms of
>literature
>theater direction/writing
>illustration/painting
>animation
>sculpture
>cinematography
>music
>acting
>architecture (arguably)
PLUS all of the artistry of game design itself
What’s really left to the arts that can’t be leveraged in video games? Cooking, I suppose
You can't put Don Quixote in a videogame you absolute homosexual
Why not?
I wouldn't read it because video games are better and I'd rather just play a video game, but there's nothing stopping you putting it or something of the same level into a video game
>mfw reading a book series with a stripper named Dong Quixote
There's literally nothing stopping anyone from just shoving the whole thing into a visual novel.
Video games, like film, are naturally a “higher art form” because they are a multimedia art form. They represent, at the highest level the mastery of several artistic media independently as well as their synthesis into a greater whole. That will always be true. The more senses a piece of art is simultaneously engaged with, the higher an art form it becomes.
a really noisy sloppy blowjob is the highest art form humans can possibly appreciate with our primitive senses
>The more senses a piece of art is simultaneously engaged with, the higher an art form it becomes.
It's literally the exact opposite. Which is exactly why film and video games aren't even considered to be art at all. high art has always been the most focused and specific, like painting, sculpting, music, poetry, literature etc. The moment you combine those things, like say a musical, it immediately becomes a lesser tier of art. And at the lowest tier are video games and film.
"high art" is just a buzzword israelites use to launder money thougheversobeit and has nothing to do with actual art
that's fine art you're thinking of. High art has existed as a term long before postmodernists poisoned that particular well. High art is explicitly about mastery and the opposite of what postmodern fine art is.
Not true. The reason it has greater cultural cache is because it’s been around longer. Stories (written or verbal, but told only in words), music, and paintings are probably the oldest forms of art that humanity practices. Vidya’s been around for 50 years, film for a little over 100, the qualities of the media itself aren’t at issue when you’re up against millenia of human creativity distilled down to only the most significant gems and generation after generation of refinements to process and style.
Literature is important because we’ve been doing it for literally longer than the printed word even existed, not because it is an inherently superior media for artistic expression
>film is not considered an art
Got any more jokes down there?
No, you're a troglodyte because you choose to ignore the most profound and important stories of the collective human race. No other medium has replaced books when it comes to that. There are no movies or video games that are a substitute for the western canon.
Cheap erotic romance novel is somehow peak of humanity culture? You are projecting now, anon - I said in my post that I know and understand various concepts and ideas appearing in literature. You are glorifying books for no reason and you out yourself as being less cultural than me here.
Like I said, each medium is different - you tell the story in different way with a movie, including sound and visual, somewhat forcing certain emotions on viewer while book always leave some degree of uncertainty here, for better or worse - write just "dragon" and different cultures will imagine different beast. Sometimes this is desirable, sometimes not. Depends on what you want to achieve and here is why true strengths of culture lies in multitude of tools to spread ideas, emotions and stories.
Books are light-years behind videogames including VNs, and anime and manga.
Books just have such a narrow storytelling scope, they stopped evolving long ago.
This is the modern leftist progressive mindset. In reality, there is no evolution, only regression. There are books from 2000 years ago that are more important and far superior stories than any video game ever will be. The modern novel peaked in the 19th century. nothing that is written nowadays is worth reading over the classics. In no medium.
Important, yes. Superior? No. They're just too limited. Several literary techniques didn't even exist until recently back then.
It always blows my mind that time travel stories didn't even exist until the time machine. Thousands of years couldn't envision something as simple as going back in time that to write a tale about it. They're basically morons.
Literally all stories we have are just retellings of greek archetypes. I'm not sure why you like modern slop so much, but to think that a writing room full of blue haired women can write on the same level as Homer or Vergil seems a little bit far fetched to me.
I literally gave you an example of something that the wide as a puddle-minded Greeks never thought of and could never think of and you still hit me with the moronic
>Everything is the Greeks
line? Frick off
Are you seriously so stupid that you don't even know the difference between plot premises and story archetypes? Obviously the greeks didn't write about fricking sci-fi stories, they also didn't write about orcs and elves and shit, but the stories we have today are still all based on the greek archetypes of the hero's journey, the tragedy and the comedy.
Time travel doesn't have to be sci-fi, time is not a concept that only exists in sci-fi.
>greek archetypes of the hero's journey, the tragedy and the comedy.
A worthlessly broad categorization. That the Greeks most likely didn't invent. Why even mention this?
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue at this point. Literature built upon itself. The greeks, the Old Testament, the New Testament, the romans, those created the base line for every single story archetype known to man. Maybe take a break from shitting on the past and actually take the time to read some of it and learn something. Not everyting is bad just because it's old and the depth and richness that you can find in stories that are thousands of years old is mindblowing.
My argument is their scope for their stories is limited to the point they couldn't even imagine something as basic as a narrative that includes backwards time travel and all the elements of complexity that arise with it. What's the closest thing they have in complexity? Oedipus?
They're primitive and we have far surpassed them in all forms or narrative and storytelling. They're obsolete, and you pointing out that everything is only built on top of them just highlights this more.
They're good, but what we encompasses them and much much much more. That's my argument.
Yeah they didn't imagine Ford f150s with heated seats either you autistic moron, thats such a dumb thing to fixate on. The fact that Oedipus is the most complex Greek work you can think of speaks volumes. You act like terminator and back to the future are automatically more complex because time travel, if you want metaphysical mumbo jumbo like that the philosphers have it covered ad nauseum. Not to mention the amount of ancient works that actually survived are minimal, some autistic greek gay probably wrote something along those lines and everyone thought it was gay and burned it
Video games aren't about narrative they're about gameplay and agency.
>the greeks didn't write about fricking sci-fi stories,
Lucian's "True History" is commonly considered the first science fiction story (and Herodotus goes to hell for being a lying homosexual).
Vergil sucks tho
Leftists are the readers, you fricking dork. lol. The right bans books and desecrates education.
Reading political essays gives people brain damage, and "educated" leftists only read that shit
>the right rejects filth and destroys iniquity
wow, they sound based
>books are better because... they just are, okay!
A story's a story.
There's nothing making it inherently better because it comes from a more limited medium.
The only difference is that it fuels your pretentiousness.
The medium isn't what makes it better, the content is. There is almost nothing in gaming that remotely approaches the genius of the western canon, and when it does its often just a pale imitation or simplistic caricature of those stories and concepts. Its not because gaming is a worse medium, its just very young whereas people have been writing books for millenia. That this makes you so defensive means you probably don't read much or at all, your loss really
Profound is a meme
I sort of understand the argument that reading is “more intellectual” than, say, television, if only because you have to exercise imagination to a greater degree. But at the end of the day literature is still just a passive medium, which makes even a dumb video game way more intellectually stimulating.
Why would a video game be more intellectually stimulating just because it's interactive? Video games stimulate your dopamine receptors, not your intellect.
I didn’t invent the research anon, games (of all kinds, not just video games) are way better for your brain health in the long-term than passive activity. There’s a reason they don’t tell you to read books to stave off dementia, they tell you to do crossword puzzles. Keeping your brain active in a circumstance that requires your regular response to advance is measurably, demonstrably utilizing more cognitive power than any media you can consume passively. Anecdotally, we’ve ALL experienced “I just read the last 3 pages and I remember none of what happened”, even though reading is in some sense “active” it’s still passive.
I mean, I don't know how low IQ morons like you read books, but when I read a challenging book, my brain is much more active and engaged than when I play a video game.
>challenging book
they're words Black person you got a game over screen on war and peace or what?
There are different levels when reading a book. Someone who only passively flies over the words and only gets a surface understanding will obviously not have to think much while reading. Someone who reads with the intention to actually try to understand the things the author was writing about will have to do a lot more thinking. I'm glad you brought up War and Peace because Tolstoy is a perfect example of that. His books have so many layers, you barely scratch the surface on a first time passive reading.
>read blood meridian, my brain is numb, my body is asleep
>play fortnite, all synapses are firing, i’m so stimulated i’m erect
many such cases
Depends on the videogame for me.
If movies and books are not intellectually stimulating, then you are reading wrong ones. Even the most stupid comedy is stimulating if you try to look at anything below the surface level plot.
I would argue that literature can be more thought provoking and play with concept because - comparing to movies or games- you don't really need a budget, especially in digital readers era.
There are books that are far beyond vidya but let's be honest - people who read books like this are small minority, most often people read some entertainment books that have comparable value to movie/game because they don't really add anything besides story that you can get invested into
This looks like a lot of seethe, anon. Maybe you wouldn't seethe so hard if you didn't look like that. :^(
I enjoy reading because it's a cheap hobby and helps me expand my vocabulary, you might perceive this smugness from the hobby because you expose yourself to reading most on the internet in places like this or tiktok where smug c**ts just so happen to congregate.
plenty of those stupid lists exist for video games as well so you can be condescended to in basically any medium you choose to enjoy, I've had it done with music tastes as well as my games and movie choices.
it's just a part of human nature i s'pose.
Is it just me, or are musicgays the most condescending of the bunch?
in real life, yes.
on here they're just the same as any other board.
I thought so, I wonder why that is.
probably because people are most likely to wear band t-shirts over movie or book t-shirts ?
plus you're more likely to be exposed to music around other people than you are a book, movie or game which allows opportunity for people to criticise something you might like.
that'd be my guess anyway.
because they think that the most important thing about music is everything but the music, it's not enough to just listen to music, you need to be chasing ever more niche bands and genres and learning every trivial fact about them
Books aren't about plot twists, moron.
The Death of Ivan Ilich by Tolstoy is not about the guy dying, it's about accepting mortality and loss. The book helps you with that, if you don't read it and just read a synopsis instead you won't achieve that because it lacks the artistic process the work of art has.
That is what art is for. If you don't get it then you are indeed a troglodyte.
>It's just a medium
Yeah a medium with 1000+ years of tradition so there are timeless classics. Gaming has only been around 30 years or so,
>we'll do whatever you tell us
I've got some ideas...
look how hard this homie is seething because he got called ugly
big mature hobby for big mature people my ass lol
If I was mature I wouldn't be using this website.
I love women who don’t wear makeup.
it's like the best modern musical pieces come from video games, and some of them on par or even better than the classics
there is just so many productions and it's far easier and better to create now, the only reason why these musical gems are not justly recognized is because they float in a sea of shit unlike in the past where only the best of the best could become professional and gain visibility
i do believe plots in games are garbage 99.9% of the time though unlike music and environment art, because music does not have a political impact unlike story so activists have no reason to pursue a career in music for their activism, unlike writing
a couple good vidya music i like
>it's like the best modern musical pieces come from video games, and some of them on par or even better than the classics
This is absolute nonsense. This:
?t=1716
up until 31:10 mogs any video game hype music. And he is a relatively unknown soviet era composer (of whom there are approximately 37 million). If you start talking about names laypersons would actually know, then there stops being even an iota of a comparison. There needs to be some breakout, genuinely transcendent video game music before it graduates from radio popular pop tier and becomes something actually worth preserving.
Even Z list 20 year old classicist can produce stuff on a par with the best of video game music:
?t=144
Much like literature you only think video games are above par if you've not consumed the best the medium has to offer. Modern day is a cope comparison because time is the great filter; the works are out there, just harder to find as was the case with so many classics nowadays, going unrecongised during their time.
Show me a better bass line than the Jazz Jackrabbit theme.
I'll wait.
Easy
I guess there really is no accounting for taste
>Shostakovich
>Relatively unknown
Breh
>If you ask the average person who Shostakovich is they would know.
Hefty cope.
>But most fans of classical should know him!
Thats what relatively unknown means; well known within a genre comparatively niche compared to the population/other alternatives of music.
I look like that even doe I'm not a chud, irregardless.
Being a chud is 100 % looks you mongrel
I look like this and am illiterate, I get my wrangler to read these threads for me and scribe my posts
Visual Novels are always a good start
Ace Attorney series adds gameplay mechanics and is made with great writing and characters, it's readily available with the collections so I would say go for it
Gatekeeping is good
Look how bad the industry is now.
Dear book readers,
Shit like this is exactly why you're being gate kept. Also frick w*men.
Sincerely- Gamers.
morrowind
Disco Elysium is probably the place to start. Planescape: Torment if you don't mind dealing with heavier combat mechanics.
The Legacy of Kain games have probably the best written dialogue in videogames.
What do you think art scholars of the future will think about 1990-20xx anime/hentai?
Do you think they will consider it a legitimate art form or will it just be some weird hiccup in the grand scheme of the art game?
I think at this point it's so prevalent that it would be impossible to ignore
A few works will be regarded as classic art, most of it is going to just be viewed as general entertainment media for the masses. I mean something like the Count of Monte Cristo, as beloved and enduring as it is, is not usually counted among the classic works of literature because it's basically pop fiction.
Eroticism is unironically a form of art.
The raw, smutty low brow generic porn isn't. There's a category above it that manages to convey the intimacy of a sexual context. It's more than just "weewee hard".
To me, this is what art is about. It's not the technical details, it's being able to elicit a specific, intended reaction in the audience.
It's stupid to think it's not already the case. Naked women have been a subject of painting for ages. What changed is the shape language and methods used to draw them.
okay homosexual i dont know if you're larping or not but i do know that there are many people in here that are bullshitting but im gonna do you a favor just in case you're legit and tell you the truth. heres what you want to play, in no particular order
1. Deus Ex, the original. the first level is ass but stick through it and the rest of the game is a masterpiece
2. Yakuza 1-5, then 0. 6 optional but its not good. the two like a dragons are dogshit jrpgs with terrible stories, don't bother
3. Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2
4. If you're a childish cartoongay who thinks harry potter is good fiction, then Psychonauts 1 and 2
5. Pathfinder Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous
6. Judgment and Lost Judgment. these are Yakuza spin offs
7. Death Stranding
8. if you're a comicbook gay, the Batman Arkham series. no this does not include suicide squad which is dogshit; it's so bad that i wont even give it the courtesy of capitalizing it in this list
9. Baldur's Gate 1 & 2. NOT SIEGE OF DRAGONSPEAR. THAT IS AWFUL, DO NOT PLAY IT. Baldur's Gate 3 optional but not as good as 1 and 2
10. Detroit: Become Human
there you go, some story-focused games
AW FRICK I FORGOT THE HOLY GRAIL OF STORY VIDYA
The Legacy of Kain
this guy reminded me and is absolutely 100% correct. if you will play one series and one only for good storytelling, make it the Legacy of Kain games
>3. Red Dead Redemption 1
RDR1's main story is embarassing. It starts with a plot, then goes into random tangents for 90% of it, then it finally goes back into the main plot.
If you cut out that 90%, then yeah, it's good, but very very short.
GUN is more shlocky but way more solid.
Umm mate John’s ability to experience time with his family being a tiny fraction of the game is a critical component of the story it’s trying to tell. It’s like, the point of the game and it went right over your head. Maybe you should hang out in one of the yellow paint threads instead
Or, instead, you could realize how fricking wrong you are. They could have made the rest of the game organically fit with the main plot, but instead they made it about some disconnected adventures going to Mexico and back. It's clear they had a good idea, but they needed filler, and they fell flat on their faces while trying to make said filler.
You completely missed the point of the game and i fully expect you to continue lashing out at this sad fact, but it’s not my fault anon it’s yours.
You can keep repeating something that is wrong, but it won't make it right.
I don't even get why someone would defend the fillter content in RDR in regards to the main story. Like, were you in the dev team or something? This is pathetic.
You think you’re playing a badass cowboy revenge story, hunting down the evil remnants of your past and dispensing wild west justice. The “filler” is dense so as to keep you focused on the hunt and gives you insight into who John is based on how he treats the people he meets and how he feels about his past life. You get to the end and you realize the game is really about a man desperate to connect with his family and give them a good life. Almost as soon as you realize that and you start to prefer the homestead to the gunslinger life, it’s taken away. You the player undertake your own version of John’s journey parallel to his, but he knew it the whole time and you learn it piece by piece as the story unfolds.
You should just stick to complaining about whatever popular trend is cluttering the catalogue, leave the gaming and its discussion to people that aren’t moronic gays
The narrative makes it so it's Marston's highest priority to find Dutch asap. This conflicts with the narrative being 90% filler. They could have made it fit organically. Instead you're trying to defend that it's supposed to be bad or something. And now you can't just back down because you're too proud and neck-deep in your own bullshit.
You are moronic beyond recovery. Stop posting and start just lurking, you shitstain. You are anonymous here, tuck your tail between your legs and just stay quiet. In 15 minutes nobody will even remember you saying dumb shit on Ganker.
>find and kill your old gang so you can go back to your family
>but it’s not that simple
I can’t believe someone can get so butthurt over this lmao, it’s literally a trope it’s not even supposed to be hard to understand. God damn tik tok generation really got their brains completely melted. Don’t worry buddy there are plenty of cartoons out there that have 10 minute long episodes and some of them are even pretty good
what your pea brain is trying to picture with your posts:
>Marston going on a chase that takes him to many places, talking to many different people
>never losing focus, always trying to get back to his family
meanwhile, the actual game:
>Marston goes on to do things unrelated to chasing the gang for 90% of the game
>then near the end of the storyline he finally gets a lead
again, you're neck deep in your own bullshit, but you're anonymous, just stop and nobody will bat an eye
You can’t even read my posts properly so I don’t expect you to be able to follow a game narrative, even one of the most plainly-told ones out there. The point is the hunt and the monotony of the details makes you the player lose focus on the end goal but there are hints all game that John’s motivation is clear. Distinct but parallel journeys that converge at the end of the game. You’re also completely wrong about the timing of the leads which makes me suspect you never played the game, color me shocked, a reddit tourist that just likes to seethe because he can spew shit without harming his rep or whatever. Do yourself a favor and frick back off over there, and I’m sure you’ll have to do some scrolling on tik tok to keep the dopamine flowing while the tab loads lol
Not a single good game.
>NOT SIEGE OF DRAGONSPEAR. THAT IS AWFUL, DO NOT PLAY IT.
Genuinely bad taste. SoD has some of the best dungeons and boss encounters in the IE games. The Lich Dwarf was awesome.
lol no. siege of dragonspear is full of woke political propaganda dogshit and faultless girlboss c**ts
So, just like BG1 & 2..?
bg 1 and 2 aren't like that, no. the closest that 1 and 2 comes to that is jaheira and its made very clear that her attitude is a cover for her own inadequacy and this is illustrated by the fact that she's an awful build and therefore weak in a gameplay sense
>bg 1 and 2 aren't like that, no.
You're literally spewing the new bad old good meme. Jaheira and Dynaheir are the OG girlbosses. BG2 especially went overboard with the "woke" stuff that you claim to hate. Or do you think Keldorn's good route being the cuck route is based? Edwin emasculated and turned into a joke was funny? Face it, you're a fraud. You hate SoD because it's cool to hate it. Yes the writing is cringe, but it's cringe in BG1 & 2 as well. Looking past that the actual gameplay part of it is miles ahead of the originals.
>bookgays defending their cluttered shelves of bookwafers totalling 100kb of flammable spacewasting data
Pseudointellectual luddites imo
I thought you guys liked physical media? Now you're a proud gamer who owns nothing and is happy?
kek bookgays have no defending this. With games you can defend that they can be up to 50GB on disc, but books are a complete waste
Halo CE - 3
Morrowind
Kotor 1 and 2
WOOOOW I really want to breed this frumpy b***h all night long DAMN
Why do ugly people have the strongest opinions about how others need to behave?
Check out my erratic collection of books
none of these look like erratic books. like how am I supposed to jerk off to matt damon in space?
>slav
>illy
I thought you homies were poor.
>he thinks illy is expensive coffee
I'm noticing a distinct lack of The Hobbit, DUNE, and Halo: The Fall of Reach tbh
Genshin impact.
lmao go read a dick you nerd.
absolutely pwned
like sherlock holmes or something?
Like this one
*Unzip penis*
*sigh*
*sucks wiener*
No homo, right?
Only if you let me swallow
The tale of the under
I keep a list of every book I've ever read
There was a time in my life I forced myself to read the classics but I realized I was no longer in school and could do whatever I wanted. It felt very liberating to enjoy what I wanted after so many years slogging through garbage. I used Spark Notes to get through most of those classes, anyway
>open image
>first things i see in S are star wars and thanos
weak bait
It's impossible you have read so little.
make a goodreads profile or keep a list in excel, and stop posting star wars trash on Ganker
You don't like The Lord of The Rings?
this collection of slop lacks subtlety, nice try thoughever homosexual
It's not bait
Bait. Here's your (You).
Imagine someone who hates Joyce slogging through three of his books. If this wasn't bait, I'd have some serious questions
I pride myself on actually reading those books everyone mentions but never reads and i forced myself half way through finnegans wake before realizing I had been trolled.
I think it was ezra pound who said the only difference between syphilis and finnegans wake is that theres a cure for syphilis.
I rate dubliners and ulysses pretty highly but couldn’t be bothered to get more than a quarter through finnegans. I read because I like it not to torture myself
I like portrait of an artist and I admire Ulysses more than I like it, but frick finnegans wake.
de bear and de bullwinkle
Same. But have you read Dubliners? I was really surprised by that one; short stories written in unironically beautiful prose
>The light music of whisky falling into glasses made an agreeable interlude
whatever makes you happy I guess
based. I see you on Ganker from time to time and it makes those morons seethe over there.
Jesus fricking christ you have horrible, HORRIBLE taste.
What is your favorite videogame?
This is my 4x4
pretty standard lol
>boring gays that don’t post their favorite books or their favorite games eager to pass judgement
man i love this board
Ah, so you've just never made it past puberty mentally, I see. Fair enough.
I'm 27
I don't doubt it, but I'm surprised you actually just confirmed here how bad your reading comprehension actually is.
there is several of those among white people and idk why. The Golden One that youtuber was like this too all his books were fantasy shit, he was ripped and that was great probably did roids but he was a manchild mentally I just dont understand lol.
I'm not saying he should read the classics, the classics are a bore and at least he got Zarathustra on top tier there Nietzsche is based, but he should at least read Camus its a similar vibe but explained with a short story.
>the classics are a bore
I unironically feel sorry for you.
>zomg the odyssey bro!!
>hyperion
>ulyssess
extremely fricking boring, fricking greek tolkien tier homosexualry but somehow more midwit the greeks were not smart.
Let's hear your hot takes on Dostojewski, Kafka and Faust, you little roody poo
Kafka is kinda based but midwit.
Dostojewski and Faust have not read em dont care enough atm
You know what mogs all of that. No joke Sherlock Holmes shit that started as short detective stories in news papers. The entirety of Sherlock Holmes is good even tho its inductive reasoning most of the time not deductive.
>No joke Sherlock Holmes shit that started as short detective stories in news papers
moron, that was Edgar Allan Poe with the Auguste Dupin stories.
GTFO homosexual.
>have not read em dont care
>You know what mogs all of that.
Ah yes, frogposters and their informed opinions
Also Sherlock Holmes is mediocre compared to Auguste Dupin.
Dosto and Tolstoy also published novels by chapter in newspapers, Gankerlet
Forspoken
Starfield
Spider Man Miles Morales
Demon's Souls remake
Palworld
The Last of Us Part 2
Saints Row
Hyenas
Try "Rapelay", it's a very touching story about life as a woman in a modern society
You've literally never read a proper book if a generic plot like TLOU wows you. No, your cheap modern fantasy novels are not literature. They are the same slop you find in cinema.
TLOU has a good plot, there’s no such thing as a nongeneric (or unique) plot in the 21st century so the criticism itself is banal. But this one is well told and emotionally evocative
Uhh, listen you absolutely sexy sultry little MINX, I read MANGA okay? So get on my level...
>don't know about the first
>discount John Seaseeker
The rest is shit
Fact: cheesy stories where good overcomes all odds against evil are simply better than attempts at grim or suffering bait.
Give me Bayonetta punching God into the sun over something like Nier any day of the week.
The closest thing to videogames in terms of being interactive media would be CYOA books.
Until Dawn's narrative quality is up for debate, but that's a debate I have no interest in, I'm bringing up Until Dawn because it's effectively a slasher film with the structure of a CYOA book and that's all it took for most people to consider it a big budget horror game.
Videogames cannot be surpassed as pieces of interactive media because you cannot consume them as pieces of media at all unless you're constantly interacting with them.
>Videogames cannot be surpassed as pieces of interactive media
Id argue structured roleplaying campaigns like dungeons and dragons are superior
Disco Elysium
Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road” is supposed to be quite good, yeah? I read it up to a point, but it didn’t really enthrall me, I’m not sure if I should give it another go.
books might just not be for you anon
It’s possible I just didn’t get far enough into it, I want to say the MC ran into guys wearing white costumes (it’s been a while), and he killed one or thought of killing one. I don’t remember what would have come after. I didn’t dislike it, but it didn’t keep me super invested, it was an unintentional drop.
i read a lot and if I’m honest there are times when I’m forcing myself to get through stuff because of sunk cost and/or FOMO of missing out on something considered great. For me, the road was not one of those cases, I couldn’t put it down, despite how dark and grueling it was
>can't ever get into reading a physical book
>blow through a novel long fanfiction in under a week
Help me
I think you give up too fast. Sometimes you’ll put a book down after five minutes, but if you pick it back up after 30 minutes or an hour, instead of 3 weeks, you might find it easier to keep going through it.
Fanfiction writers have it easy because the part of getting readers interested in the setting and the characters has already been done by someone else.
same lol. ive been checking r/hfy nightly for years at this point. i havent read a "real" book in over a decade. id probably be interested in them but i dont even know where to start
Most of America eats junk food. You're just one of the masses. I'm teasing, but few people consciously choose delayed gratification. Your relationship to toil and enjoyment both will always be your own. Whichever you choose, just do so consciously.
Frick off c**t
was waiting for someone to post this
damn what a trip
This image is higher art than anything else posted in this thread
This b***h literally did nude art. You can still find her naked pictures. Never trust women. Never.
really?
Yes, really. I have them on the other computer. If you search Ganker archive you should be able to find them.
It was artsy fartsy stuff but she was indeed but naked.
>Still no proof
I'm not doing the work for you.
Yeah, you're doing nothing but spouting baseless shit, buddy
Prove it!
Re4, gta4, cyberpunk 2077 and both red dead redemption games
>So many moronic posts ITT
Story telling =|= narrative, you morons
What is the Moby Dick of videogames?
Minecraft
Manga is better btw
Play Xenogears then drop videogames
So did anyone else read the best book of 2023? BookTok keeps talking about it so you know it's good.
Is this that weird fairy erotic novel that my sister keeps banging on about?
No that's A Court of Thorns and Roses. At least that's the fairy series my gf is obsessed with.
yeah you're right
I thought she was talking about hentai at first and almost let my human mask slip
No this is the other one your sister likes, Twilight but with Dragons.
What kind of books do you read?
Book: The Killer Angels
Game Rec: Final Fantasy Tactics
Book: One Hundred Years of Solitude
Game Rec: Elden Ring
Book: Three Body Problem
Game Rec: Xenogears
I just got done reading The Passion of New Eve
Games for this feel?
Not familiar with this one. Give me a synopsis.
some british guy goes to america chasing the dream and turns into a degenerate and wastes all his money, hangs out with an old, magical and powerful man who can literally alchemise gold out of thin air for a bit before the old guy gets jumped by Black folk and killed off screen, the british guy ends up following some black woman home and fricking her then she takes him into the desert where they cut off his wiener and turn him into a woman then impregnate him in a ritual that resembles unbirthing
Game Rec might be like Silent Hill 2 or Clocktower or something
>this book is about a historical war therefore this game about MUH RELGION BAD with literal demons is a good rec
the frick
>this book about humanitys response to knowing aliens are out there and are coming to kill them is xenogears, a game literally about nothing that is so half baked that you get zero out of it
you okay bro?
>you okay bro?
Yeah, I'm just literate and play games. Can't tell which one you're lacking, but my guess is you've never played games before, because your descriptions of those two are simply wholly inaccurate. Chance I'm wrong though and you just can't read.
Outer Wilds
TLOU1
uhhhhh
Planetscape Torment?
There's really only like one or two "great" stories in gaming unless you want to get into the weeds with super turbo indie titles like To The Moon or That Dragon Cancer. Most of them are passable at best.
The Mass Effect Trilogy, provided you use the happy ending mod
how do you call that haircut? i like it
I think it's just a hime cut with flowing hair instead of the usual straight
Alan Wake 2. You can think whatever you want about the actual plot or characters, but the execution of everything that involves the narrative and storytelling is impeccable and something we won't see again in a long, long time.
It's that classic "I cut my bangs at home".
It's called the "I'm ugly but I have a surprisingly killer body underneath all this heavy clothing I wear and I'll be loyal and faithful to you forever"
Looks like a dog.
Growler cut
>meanwhile, in reality
Name a more iconic duo that leftism and projection.
Maybe the thing about chudjack is that that's just how all Americans look like.
Anon what nationality is John Oliver?
I don't know, I don't care about burger ecelebs.
Disco Elysium has the best writing, hands down, but it barely has gameplay, it's basically a CYOA book with a GUI.
Pathologic is better at translating a lyrical narrative into the core component of videogames as a medium which is interactivity.
Disco Elysium is what people who never read a book think a good book in video game format would be like.
Wow great argument gaytron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
Disco Elysium is a great video game for somebody who likes to read books
>Pic rel, I have read a book
Do you just go to library book sales and fill up a big box to take home?
No, from estate auctions generally. The libraries near me don't have the older stuff which is my primary interest
Occasionally from local sellers, if the price is right. These are the most reason buy and were from a local seller
dont tell them
Disco Elysium is the game for you. It's the closest a game can be to being a book without being trash.
Gameplay is all skill choices and rolls. There is no reaction-based gameplay element.
Writing is spectacular I don't think I've ever played a game with writing that I enjoyed more.
I'm thinking about writing a book but I DO NOT READ books at all and I am dyslectic. Should I do it?
Write the darn book already. Life is finite
Ok thamks, will remember this post when I'm a best selling author.
*best-selling, innit
What if I disguise my grammatical mistakes as artistic expression?
You could have an editor or just put it in your forward that you're dyslexic
There is an irish author who does that because "punctuation is english oppression" so I'm sure you can come up with something either equally or slightly less stupid
That sounds unfathomably based
I'll consider this and probably not do it because I wanna keep all my money
Bad Dudes vs Dragon Ninja
>and also a troon
Ywnbaw
Nah, they should find shit they like through digging and exploration.
People don't appreciate games as a medium because they didn't have to go through heaps of mediocrity first.
>tlou
>Good writing
I used to live in Illinois when I was a kid and we unfortunately had to move to North Carolina right before I started High School back in 2008.
On my very first day of school in English, our teacher asked us to hand in our book reports. I let her know we literally just got here a week ago so I don't have one. The fricking b***h told me I can bring it in next week but she's gonna deduct 10 points for being late (what the frick?). So she gave me the reading list and my mom picked this up for me from Barnes & Noble on her way home from work.
Read half the fricker and wrote my report. Handed it in. She graded it, thought I got a B- turns out I got a C- because the grading scale in NC is different than Illinois. The end.
Outer Wilds is actually one of the best stories in video games, but it's not in the text and dialogue. The story is told through your own experience of it.
And no, it's not some: "the best story is your own story" bullshit. I actually does have a plot and themes. But playing interaction is critical to these themes and the overall message of the story.
"Why didn't you ever tell us?"
Not sure if bait and I know it's old AF but how do people lack introspection to realize they are just NPCs needing to be spoonfed?
>best stories in modern history
video games?
>the last of us
>some of the best stories and narratives
this b***h doesnt read any good books its confirmed
The kind of narrative experience you get from a book is not the same as youd get from a video game.
Just like how inspecting a sculpture is different from watching a movie is different from watching the same movie without a soundtrack
Soma
dear esther is the finest literature
Have any of you book nerds read elric? I got into it a few years ago from recommendations and despite liking it a lot and being able to tell how clearly influential it is, the writing seems really quite terrible
It jumps psychotically between events at such weird pace, is that the point and I just dont get it or is moorwiener just an autist?
I love FMA
wrong elric but me too
>Have any of you book nerds read elric?
yes.
>It jumps psychotically between events at such weird pace, is that the point and I just dont get it or is moorwiener just an autist?
basically how I felt reading it to.
it's present from the very first book where you're expected to feel sorry for elric's cousin being enslaved besides the fact you've only known her for 10 pages and elric's people are established as basically being masochistic barbaric rapist barbarian elves.
then elric's already on a flying boat and having lucid dreams of getting the super duper stormbringer.
pulp novels are meant to be flashy but lack a lot of substance which is why the pacing is so fricking break-neck.
>ctrl+f gone home
>0 results
most of the board is probably post-2016 newbies at this point, i doubt you’ll even get much of a response with this bait
nobody in this entire thread has pointed out that she looks fricking exactly like david lynch?
I see it now that you mention it
I dont care about your niche e-celebrity, and it seems no one else does either
David Lynch is the most famous Twitch streamer of our time
holy shit I can't believe Lynch is pretending to be a bookgay just to get video game recommendations
how lynchian
I read this book one time. It gave me a severe dislike for autistic people, which I'm sure was not the intention.
I read this in 9th grade English class. Made me start wiping my penis with toilet paper after I pee. Sometimes.
I'm not sure if that is an autistic thing or a British thing. When I read it originally I thought it was a british person thing.
TLoU has a better story than what’s found in literature? have a nice day.
video games *are* literature
Wait until these normiehomosexuals learn that game companies get actual composers and musicians to compose the music for the games. morons think some monkey coder is just typing nonsense into a computer and we end up with the game or something?
>I laughed at you and looked down upon you all this time but now that I've been told your hobby is socially acceptable I decided that it's you who has been gatekeeping me this entire time
>book reader here
did Ganker scare you off YouTube too?
Everytime i see this it reminds me of that super ugly Russian girl... who later got happily married years ago.
>super ugly
>happily married
You know men are a bunch of pussies when they have lost their sense of individuality so much they endlessly long to have a glorified pet hanging off of them.
If that is what marriage is to you then okay.
Below average. That or you live around ugly people and I don't.
guess I just have lower standards, cutie-ish to me
Do you not see how she looks kinda like a 30+ year old witch with a pudgy face? That nose is coming out of the screen.
Don't get me wrong, I am an ugly frick now, but she is a 4/10
i'm not a looker myself and I already said I find chubby nerdy girls cute so yeah to me she's alright looking
I live in the uk
she's a 10
Okay. What about this woman?
ugly, but someone else in the Russian outback would put a ring on her
I grew up in the south, I've seen much much worse. I would.
I thought that she was who you meant.
I am a deformed, obese, balding neckbeard, practically everyone except ricky berwick is a 10 to me
holy shit
this is so wrong, i dont even know where to begin
>not fat
already above average
>dating a fat person
just sneak them diet pills gaygit
secretly pounded
>posted a few pictures
>gets roasted by Ganker for the duration of that thread
Brutal
OP's girl isn't super ugly, she's just an average woman.
I think she's kind a cute, but I like nerdy chubby girls.
>stealth woman hate thread
that's fun and cool and all but can an actual Gankerbro sell me on tolkien? are his works actually good for someone who's already read king and mccarthy novels or are they just a big meme?
I've read quite a lot but I have never browsed lit and dont consider myself particularly well-read but the tolkein hate seems much more of a meme to me than tolkeins writing itself
Lotr is a legitimately great work of literature, it does not deserve to be compared with the ocean of pulp fantasy piss that came after it. Read it.
Was never a super big fan of lotr but after reading Brandon Sanderson I have more respect for Tolkien's ability to build a world with relatively good word economy. These modern day hacks just write huge tomes and all of it is just words words words of bullshit.
Tolkien wrote the lord of the rings because the english language lacks any native mythology and he wanted to correct that.
Its a masterclass in world building where you can't go a page without tripping over a character, event, or location with thousands of years of history hiding just under the surface.
He was a trained linguist and invented multiple independent languages with unique grammar and syntax.
Tolkien is good. LOTR is for normalgays. The Silmarillion is for the high IQ. The Hobbit is for children.
The Last of Us is one of the worst TV shows I've ever seen.
>TLOU
>best stories
>people want games to be so homogenized that in order to be digestible they need to resemble your Marvel movies or soap opera tv shows in narration, aesthetic and dialogue
Where did it go wrong? 30 years ago liking Iron Man got you stuffed in lockers and games and the internet were seen as this nerd medium?
I'm reading this right now (in Spanish) but I'm not really clicking with it. It's about some old dude in a residence that decides he should kill himself since he has nothing else in life to do, and his roommate thinks it's a good idea but it has to be done in a grandiose way.
I just don't feel pity of the man and he rambles on his thoughts too much, dude's a dick. I've spent over four months in just 150 pages, where as I read 900 pages of a historical novel in summer in just a month.
>read A Curious Incident of a Dog in the Night-time as a kid
>love the autismal tone of it
>decide to read the rest of the author's stuff
>start by reading Running With Scissors
>pages, pages and pages of explicit underage gay sex
And then i stopped reading
>outstanding narrative
Kenshi.
Depends on what you want from a narrative.
The advantage of video games is that they let the player experience the narrative via the actions they do in gameplay conveying the emotions of the narrative.
There's a range of how games use this advantage for their narrative.
On one end you have stuff like the recent God of War where the gameplay is really separate from the narrative.
At the midpoint, you have stuff like persona/ where the gameplay does convey the emotions of the narrative but is built to stay within the boundary of the story.
Then at the other end, you have stuff like Dayz/Civ where the gameplay defines the narrative as it emerges out of gameplay interactions.
katana zero
Pathologic 2.
It's basically russian literature but you're living it. Thank me later.
>lack the insight to see anything other than a boring walking sim
Im weirdly jealous of pathologichads, I fricking loved The Void, I fricking hate pathologic
I don't know how you can not be immersed. I genuinely cared about my bound and never felt bored for a second due to the time pressure and the story beats slowly unfolding. Having to run to the theatre every night, even though you got 7 other urgent tasks, because you want to hear Beak and Talon calling you a loser, that's peak game design for me.
I literally just dont get it, I just wandered about an empty map sneakily for a few hours, bought a bull and got lost in the desert, then got bored and uninstalled it
I've done this exact same thing 3 times, one time I even had someone watching me stream it and they got bored and didn't get it either.
I think I'm just too moronic for it
I don't think you need to enter the desert early on. Why didn't you go to the myriad of quest markers on your map? The game's literally designed to have too many quests to do all at once (some of which are time limited, some of which have negative outcomes when completed, and the game never tells you which ones are the most important, letting you decide that for yourself).
The developer in the game (the rat) even comments on the quest markers, saying at first he didn't want to add them to the game because he found them intellectually offensive, like saying "Here's where you need to go, we marked it for you because you're too stupid and lazy to figure it out on your own, you're welcome, The Powers That Be."
I think I always ended up in the desert because everyone in town is aggressive and it gets annoying having to sneak everywhere
I can't even remember seeing quest markers tbh
Sounds to me like you should give it a 4th try, armed with the knowledge of quest markers. I believe in you, anon.
There IS a reason to go into the desert, though its more of a player's choice rather than a quest.
The first 2 days, there's an army guy who's getting ready to leave the town, and he's willing to sell you a revolver, which (as you can imagine) is a Very Useful item. He tells you you can make some money by selling herbs at the local pub. The herbs can be found in the desert, they make some kind of rattling noise and glow up in the night.
I couldnt' get into the Void although I might try again someday. Luv me Pathologic though.
Well, ya did it, you got me playing the Void (I'm the anon posting all the pathologic screenshots, heard of the void but never looked into it).
Not sure what I'm in for but the tone and the setting are already very unique and unsettling.
Genuinely, sorry.
be careful with your reserves it is really easy to softlock
>Genuinely, sorry.
It'll be fine, I completed pathologic 2 twice, surely it can't be that bad?
Team Ico games.
From Software games.
Silent Hill 2.
Nier Replicant and Automata.
That's all you need.
>The Last of Us
>some of the best stories in modern history
I heavily doubt a serious book reader would say such a thing. TLoU is a pretty average zombie plot.
>TLoU is a pretty average zombie plot.
Even its plot is pretty meh. The only interesting thing about TLOU is its setting due to its aura of pseudo-possibility with the fungus.
>LOTR not on the list
This shit doesn't even pass as trolling for that alone.
Genital Jousting
Why are people looking up to this mudslime roach
because unironically he's a marketing genius with 110 iq that managed to create an online persona that panders to the most miserable and angry demographic on the planet, I'm sure everything he says is carefully calculated to make his followers more and more devoted to him and his ideas and it works. he's made millions with this grift of being your internet big brother
>110 iq
holy frick that's impressive
Because he's just one of millions of self-help gurus that by pure chance has become famous as his shtick is he's a chad alpha male and will teach the viewer (a nogf loser man, typically) how to also be a chad alpha male
He's a 4 time world kickboxing champion. I wouldn't call that pure chance.
I actually don't think he's acting. He's been under investigation for sex trafficking, rape, and kidnapping in several countries.
fatherless ""men""
>this mudslime roach
What kind of person do you think looks up to him, anon?
There's your answer
fatherless manchilds get dominated by any alpha that wants to rape them or their wallets with bad advice , they dont know better
The Pirate on the Boat is a classic!
>I'm very smart but books are useless
>I need action in my life to feel 'contempt'
Kek
he's right, only stupid people read.
>romanian
>being a figure worthy of anything other than pure contempt
>posting the edit
The superior the last of us, LISA
So you mean /misc/acks read books and are educated?
You actually think we're going to let you win? LOL
Focused narratives are not a strength inherent to vidya, the best ones place more emphasis on agency and interactivity. That said, Rule of Rose has a decent story.
Forced narratives can work well in vidya.
They just need to actually use the gameplay to tell part of the narrative rather than being filler.
If there is a perspective character the player shouldn't just be told what they feel, they should experience it firsthand in gameplay.
If the perspective character is contemplating giving up, lead the player into the same mindset by making them struggle against fights in gameplay.
One example I like is in MSGV where you have to kill your soldiers to stop an outbreak of the infection.
The game tries to put you in the same emotional space as Venom before the mission by having you personally recruit and invest in these soldier's development, keeping their morale up etc...
So that when you end up in a situation where you have to kill them the meaning of the action to the player resembles what it means to Venom.
This is why I think TLOU2 is actually a really good achievement in vidya storytelling, albeit one I didn’t enjoy. It is so fricking brutal and difficult to get through and leaves you unsatisfied. Huh, wonder if that’s meant to say anything about the characters’ journeys
Radiant Historia and Breath of Fire 4, I've been gaming since I was 2 years old and in 34 years I have never found a single game that can outmatch these two in terms of storytelling and theme and characterization.
All BoF4 managed to do was leave me with blue balls.
looks like someone got the wrong ending.
What do you mean. Killing my party was a good ending. It's just that almost everything else was left unresolved because they thought they'd get to make a sequel.
nothing is unresolved in the merge end. he literally hits the genocide switch and kills everyone, as was both his right as a god and as was right morally, humans in that world had gone past the point of redemption with their degeneracy and outright evil and the only solution was extinction.
hopefully you at least watched the real kingslayer scene from the uncensored JP version which knocked Yuna down 1000 pegs from the EN version's final scene portrayal; it only adds about 10 seconds to the scene but in that 10 seconds, Yuna walks into the room, sees the beheaded emperor, and shits himself in terror and runs. all scenes after that point have drastically different meaning, he is no longer the "just as planned" smart guy, he is just a mortal man attempting to hold back his terror upon seeing an actual superhuman that far surpasses all of his little experiments. and then he dies, just like everyone else, as the world is purged.
The problem with video game music is its jointed at the hip with the game it is required to run alongside.
Its very easy to make something sound "epic" or "sad" with the technology available. Deeper, more omnipresent emotions are what makes classical stuff so good - and its that that video game music generally fails at. Not through being bad, but its function is to set a tone that the gamer needs to feel at the moment to coincide with gameplay. Nowhere near as much wiggle room as with regular music where its the experience entire, which is why video game music often feels so overblown and one note.
Lol, you're just a moronic zoomie who know "video game music" as the movie background droning from modern schlop.
Listen to this. Don't even try to imply this is any worse than Beethoven or Mozart.
You think this because you are a dumb casual who only plays popular American games, and American developers are artless philistines who don't care about having good music in their games.
Games and books narrative is different.
What might be ok on a game would be terrible in a book like Avellone's pedantic prose or Disco Elysium (yes, previously a book no one gave a frick about and with good reason)
Disco was from a home brew tabletop game
Nah, there was a novel in 2013 called Sacred and terrible air
Pathologic 2 is Russian Lit. the Game
Not to mention it's kino as frick.
Any sex mods?
Can't frick a being made of clay, anon
>made of clay
>clay
Literally just pee on it to mold the vegana.
But, if you are like me and lose the erection after peeing, put it in a cup or bottle till you get hard again.
You wish you had my taste.
I wish I could taste your wiener
Anyone who says to have enjoyed the Silmarillion is outright lying
It's one of my favourite books.
It's more expensive than freshly roasted coffee...
Did you start reading Tolkien as an adult? As you can see I reread the Silmarillion in English but when the movies came out and I was introduced to LOTR my English wasn't good enough to read the books in English.
I don't know what freshly roasted coffee you're buying but most of the stuff I know of is at a bare minimum on par with illy price wise, and can easily go up to 4 times as expensive
Well yeah if you buy fancy shit but good coffee is cheaper, especially if you buy in bulk. I would assume Illy is even more expensive outside of Italy. There's no way a coffee roasted near you is more expensive.
>Tolkien in italiano
Zì
Also that is an Italian first edition of the Silmarillion my mother owned, so all those Italian books have a meaning to me.
you are 100% insufferable
Notice how you didn't say I have bad taste or I'm wrong. So what if I'm insufferable? What are you, a woman?
I didn't say so because you don't have bad taste and you aren't wrong.
>So what if I'm insufferable?
by the time you realize this is a problem for you, it will be too late
Why is it a problem? Because I alienate people? You don't think I am aware of that? I can be pleasant if I want to but I don't really mind most of the time.
good luck bro
You can articulate your thoughts, you know. The purpose of this site is to communicate.
To what end?
You said I was insufferable but you're pretty good yourself.
>no u
>This game is lit
>The lit part is just a conventionally told story, but with utterly superfluous 'gameplay' attached.
Lmao
I'm gonna have to agree with this well worded post. I quite literally look like this and say this.
Ganker and Ganker are the most leftist boards on this site.
You cannot read the Classics and be a leftist. It's literally impossible.
way to out yourself as a nobooks homosexual
If you're talking culture war nonsense about trannies or whatever maybe. But that is not leftism.
What kind of Classics do you read that you think they're leftist?
I've studied Roman and Greek literature for years in school and no one piece of work was leftist. I don't think you know what the left is.
romans and greeks were pretty pozzed. Even some of their authors like Tacitus allude to some disdain with their popular culture.
Well yeah no shit, how can you read The Satyricon and take it as anything but a mocking of all the degeneracy, though? One of the funniest things I've ever read.
That's like with La Dolce Vita that it stopped being seen as a critique and started being seen as a positive model. People are that stupid.
No one said the opposite. Certain values, however, are universal. And will remain so after the contemporary progressive craze dies off, either that or our society does.
Huxley wrote Brave New World as an instruction of his preferred idea of the future. It's easy to look at something absurd and think of it as satire, but sometimes that's just to hide the fact that they're completely serious, and it's passed through the media in plain sight. Ultimately that's what people have always wanted, a fantasy world completely disconnected from reality, that caters to their imaginations. Telsa also said he wanted society to become a sexless matriarchy like bees. There's a whole rabbit hole of fetishistic statements like that from all sorts of people throughout history.
>wake up from a soma trip as mommy is still riding your wiener
>drift off into another trip
sounds kino tbh
True but they will never be able to change human nature. If you stop following human nature you will not be happy and your group will fail. Simple as.
Sounds like hell.
"leftism" and "conservatism" are modern ideologies, of course you wouldn't read them in Greek books
Greek traditionalism is not modern conservatism no matter how much you try to conflate the two
>It's literally impossible.
In what way?
Either you stop reading the Classics or at a certain point you stop being a leftist. That is if you read them with your brain on. All the values expressed in them are traditional or conservative.
minecraft
if you don't get it watch matpat's game theory videos about it
or the rucka rucka ali video about it
I think you could probably get some nice interpretive stuff out of Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne
though some of the ambiance/dialogue is tweaked in a grating manner IMO in the recent "remaster," if you have a PS2 or can emulate I'd recommend that instead
for something older, "videogames aren't art" or whatever that grumpy old movie review guy that was missing a jaw, liked Cosmology of Kyoto quite a lot. You can probably find that without much issue.
I have developed a complete hatred of books after having to read so many boring fricking articles in university
You put a piece of paper with letters printed on it in my hands and I'll cave your nose in
I bet she has a hairy minge
I know right, isn't that great?
this girl seems like the kind that talks about books and how much she reads and when you ask her what type of books it's all young adult shit that's barely one step above fanfiction. i've talked to a bunch of women who said they read books and it's all this same kind of actual slop, they just treat it the same as watching a bad netflix show
Most of the replies ITT are wrong, just midwits naming games with excessive text and/or cutscenes that are spoonfed to the player.
Books and vidya are two different mediums.
Video games aren't movies and movies aren't books and books aren't stage plays and plays aren't paintings and paintings aren't your momma's fat ass no matter how hard I keep trying.
Different mediums, especially in entertainment, have different strengths and weaknesses. Trying to shore up a product's weaknesses with another medium CAN work, but usually ends up only highlighting the shallowness of what should be its strengths.
How many times have you played a game with a "good story" only to realize the gameplay is absentmindedly mashing a button through objectives?
Games with good narratives tell their stories more through gameplay than incessant text and cutscenes.
/lit/gays despise /misc/ actually. /misc/ponies get BTFO on there constantly
>things that didn't happen
Ganker is a hellish combination of the worst parts of /x/ (religious schizos) and the dumbest trogledytes on /misc/ (people who still think its 2010 and argue about communism vs capitalism)
Oh and add in a spoonfull of the worst reddit fart huffing behavior
>trogledytes
>uneducated trooBlack persongays are leftoids
Oh, that make sense now.
>gatekeeping
>its your fault that i was prejudice against you gamer
The nerve of this b***h
gamers rise up
is it possible to have this thread but without it being bait OP?
We both know it isn't.
No, it’s a loaded question and Gankercels will get triggered by it no matter how it’s presented, and any anon that responds to it in earnest will spend the rest of the thread bickering and getting flamed over their input
Not possible. Gankerirgins still think videogames don't need a story and that From Software games do not have stories.
These are the same people who called you losers back in the day
>ITT leftoid raiders still spamming Ganker with political bullshit
Wanko to Kurasou
far cry 3, especially the part where you use the flamethrower on the weed field
"Gatekeeping" makes a lot more sense when you realize the people who cry about it are accustomed to being told what to like and think so take the act of not spoonfeeding as an act of aggression and exclusion.
Planescape Torment.
>JRPGgays bringing their weeb music
alright thread's over guys, pack it up
Yeah, people without musical comprehension should leave the thread now.
Japan has just picked up the torch and become the cultural center of the civilized world.
They excel at music, both in games and movies.
Come home, Yamato man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkoGwrkcgs8
>paprika song
I forgive you
this is the single best track in videogame history, nobody can refute this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckYeFu2g-Cs
Didn't she (or he) dated Cyraxx at some point?
>do nothing
>"WHY WERE YOU GATEKEEPING ME?"
>Reading for narrative/story
Lmao, i bet you read sci-fi and fantasy
What kind of books was this b***h reading to like TLOU that much? Harry Potter?
it's like pottery and the greeks; it rhymes and he's going to fricking kill baron fricking praxis
>I am talking zenith of the medium.
Morrowind.
it also has as much reading as a Tolkien novel, so you should like it.
Is that a man or a woman? I legit can't tell.
Trails of Cold Steel
star periphery
stanley parable
dragon's dogma
dark souls (implying)
sekiro
final fantasy iv-x
earthbound
dragon quest builders 1/2 (after playing regular dq one and two)
oh yeah and paper's please
outer wilds
I'm gay for my friend