Immense fascination and immersion.
Terms like groundbreaking get thrown around too often, but in the case of f1&2 it absolutely fits.
Of course after decades they look old and primitive, but that's the nature of any progressing medium.
For zoomers more used to modern UIs and graphics it's gonna be much harder to get a comparable experience, especially since passion projects like these are one in a million these days. F1 devs were literally paid in pizza.
They were products of a time when (crpg) games were essentially made by nerds for nerds. And with nerds I mean people with deep interest, passion and understanding in different mediums and their relevant technology. The fairweather midwits calling themselves or others "nerds" because they kinda like the image of modern dnd and wear glasses are the bane of any blossoming medium.
Nowadays games are "made" by business -minded empty suits to extract the maximum amount of profit through any means necessary, no matter how shit the end product is, that is secondary to making profit.
But that's moronic, a game is essentially just another medium among books, songs and movies, but with the difference they can be all included in a video game, but not vice versa. In a technical sense vidya is the superior medium as it can contain all the other mediums, but I reject the idea of some medium being inherently superior because it's very small-minded and misses the point.
It's like saying books are for children or videos are for children. The content is not tied to the medium.
And the midwits will gobble it up as long as it's perceived socially "cool" enough, until the next trend arrives and they mold their identity to fit the herd again.
It's become a buzzword (pair), but choice and consequence. You can approach the situations in the games from many directions and (try to) utilize your character's stenghts, skills and abilities however you see fit best. It wasn't perfect obviously, but it's obvious it was mindblowing enough that the IP itself was considered golden. The setting's pretty cool too, but by now bethesda has raped it to hell and back while simultaneously gutting the things that made the originals great.
I'm a zoomer and I wanted to say I played fallout 3 first and at first glance I saw how different fo1 fo2 were from the fps we know today. I thought eeeghh it might be boring but I'll give it a go. I absolutely fricking loved it. I was blown away. I miss the type of fun from this game. I wish they made fallout new vegas in the birds eye view turn based combat. This game broke my prejudice. I cannot express how deeply I fell in love with it.
I was like 6 when it came out, so I played it as a teenager. I'm replaying FO1 right now and I'm impressed they managed that level of detail and refinement in 1998.
Tried to get into them multiple times and always ended up quitting after a few hours. Boring setting, pretentious writing, mind-numbingly dull combat. I played plenty of other crpgs, spent countless hours on Baldur's Gate and other infinity engine games.
Even back when they first came out, the Fallout games were always the most popular among that particular breed of repellent nerd, what we recognize today as the reddit basedboy. If you can manage to play more than a few hours of fallout then you don't have a soul.
Crpg is the nerd genre you twat-in-denial. Hell, pc gaming in general has usually been the nerd space. Trying to draw a distinction between bg1&2 and f1&2 fandoms is moronic since they are essentially the same group.
Baldur's cuck is garbage too but at least it's somewhat playable unlike Troonout
Fallout 3 was the first good game in that miserable franchise, pseuds and posers can chock on a dick
I don't remember them being that popular. They were kind of in bargain bins in the late 90s, and I thought why not. I recently got a PC to share with the rest of my family, and I was playing the Might & Magic series off and on, which I really enjoyed. I got Baldur's Gate and was really engrossed, and then after I went back and started playing these games. It was different, and felt really immense and you were basically going around exploring. But then I got IWD and MMVI so played those more.
Holy... Stop being so mad. Seriously, please talk to a psychologist.
Played em both as a kid, liked both of them. Got Fallout for Christmas and the box said “Remember Wasteland?” My dad played wasteland but it was always too old and janky for me. Both games had really cool manuals with apocalypse themed recipes at the back.
Honestly the first time I ever saw the opinion “fallout 2 sucks and is worse than 1” was this board, I was quite shocked because growing up I always remembered people generally liking both of them, if they liked them at all. Same with BG1 and BG2. But just like those games, I have to admit the arguments for why the first game are superior do have some merit to them.
A part of that is that the humour and tropes in f2, which were actually somewhat novel/not that prevalent at that time, really don't hit like they did in 1998. F1 was much drier so it has aged better in that regard. And the f2-style obviously spawned a number of copycats and people who overdid it, resulting in mass beatings of deceased horses on fan internet message boards over the decades, partly distilling into "reddit". New Vegas was smart enough that they hid that kinda stuff behind the "Wild Wasteland" -perk. F2 would benefit from something similiar.
An example from another game which has stuck out for me: finding Larry, Darryl and Darryl in bg1 was an absolute silence with cricket sounds for me, I had zero context or any feeling for that specific reference. F2 has a number of encounters like that, worked in 1998, but aged badly.
btw I still prefer f2 simply because it's more fleshed out and has more reasons for replays. The humour/reference stuff is also not *that* prevalent to begin with (pretty same ratio as you find the Wild Wasteland shit in fnv), but I can see how some people might be alienated by it
I guess being an esl I missed a lot of anglo-centric references, really didn't see the silliness, I guess they just melded into the general insanity of the post-nuclear world. The hubologists were just like any insane cultists to young me.
If they ever rape the corpse of f2, they could at least tone that down I guess.
F1 felt very atmospheric (I had little exposure to american popculture at that point in life so most immersion-breaking references went mercifully over my head), combat felt very gimmicky with movement on hexa grid for no apparent reason, wild crits, and seemingly irregular initiative order.
F2 was largely the same but longer, perhaps a tad too long.
I remember playing a demo and seeing my older brother get and play the full game. Mutants and master looked cool, but otherwise the game didn't look interesting to me, really.
I only played them later after hearing they're the best crpgs.
Games back then weren't like they are today. For the people who were PC gamers, the reaction was subdued because the internet wasn't nearly as useful as it is now and hardly anyone was talking to each other about anything outside of mailing lists - I'm not even sure I knew that there was an official forum for the game to shitpost on, though I did visit the official webpage a few times and it was extremely primitive. Magazines were kind of, sort of popular, but not enough and I certainly didn't give a shit what they had to say about something, if I saw a game that looked neat in the store, I would buy it, that's just how it was.
As for my personal reaction, it was just another game that I really liked playing. I wasn't following new releases like you would now, so anything good coming out was a nice surprised rather than anticipated... at least for the most part, because I remember patiently waiting for FF7 to be localized. I was always more of a PC gamer, though, and I did spend a lot of time playing Quake 2 using whatever lobby finder was available at the time, like gamespy or whatever else that I've long forgotten.
Cont.
Also I would say I was fairly "lucky" as a PC gamer because my dad was an early computer nerd and made some hand me down PC's that I played a lot of. I had only two friends from 10-20 that even had a PC to play games on, and that was only while I was in 5-6th grade, after that, only one other person I knew was into PC gaming or had a PC to game on, and he only played Everquest.
>hardly anyone was talking to each other about anything outside of mailing lists
well, hardly anyone was buying crpgs either. usenet and various forums had quite a bit of discussion about rpgs. i see this a lot where people who were alive but late to join the internet think it didn't exist until broadband.
>late to join the internet
Not finding some rare and niche rabbit hole doesn't mean someone was "late to join the internet", anon. I never said the internet "didn't exist until broadband" either, you pretentious douche.
>rare and niche rabbithole
lol, usenet and gamefaqs are rare and niche? yes, you were late to join the internet. >you pretentious douche
calm down, autist. it's a figure of speech.
Nah, you're being an asshat because people didn't do the exact same shit you did on the internet, and you're putting words in my mouth to sell your shit argument.
i'm just correcting part of your post with my own experience and you are getting really butthurt about it, kiddo. your reaction is all of out sync with my tone, relax.
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You're treating other people like their experiences are less important to yours, and you're acting like everyone is an idiot if they didn't care enough to visit some barely interesting early message boards to talk with a small group of people about video games like you were part of some exclusive club. It's sad. You can frick off now.
10 months ago
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no, i'm saying you don't know what you are talking about and you are continually reaffirming that. ignorance isn't a permanent fault, anon, don't take it so personal.
10 months ago
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And you're still being a dipshit, not a coincidence.
10 months ago
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and you're still crying about minor disagreement... moar?
10 months ago
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lol, for someone who thinks they're so mature, you sure are being a massive piece of shit and can't let the fact that you're a god awful ignorant homosexual go.
10 months ago
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>no u
moar?
10 months ago
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yawn. You can always leave, smart guy. Resorting to internet babby trolling isn't a redeeming quality.
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moar?
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Sad
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moar?
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>maybe if I keep spamming the same thing, I'll convince everyone I'm not a moron.
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moar?
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>no guis, im not just a stuttering loser on Ganker
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moar? this is fun.
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>oh wow, being an idiot is much easier than having some tact
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>lol im totally not having a meltdown guis, trust me
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>if only i was clever enough to say something witty instead of posting meme images
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>i'm definitely the most mature person here
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>just in case you thought I grew up and left like I should have done an hour ago, I'm back to continue being a jackass on the internet.
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>maybe this one will do it
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>i wonder how long i can be verbally abused until i finally cry myself to sleep
Magazines were big, though. Everyone that was into games had access to a few. I remember huge press that Fallout 2 received. It was on covers of gaming mags, and also mentioned in all general pc magazine that only covered major releases. It was constantly amongst the most anticipated games, and after it was released, it was often mentioned and compared to.
F1 was before my times, but people often touted it as a major game that helped resurge rpg genre. There was a bit of a slump after Wizardry 7, Ultima 7, and Golden Box games. Then came Diablo, BG1, and Might and Magic 6.
I had plenty of magazines, and still have some saved from back then, but it didn't dictate what I would buy, especially since everyone has their own taste in games. I didn't have every issue, though, so certainly there may have been some cover art for Fallout.
>but people often touted it as a major game that helped resurge rpg genre.
The RPG genre was never in a slump, or needed resurgence. Experience with different games of the genre may very, and that's part of the problem with PC gaming back then is that no one could really follow all releases of a particular genre since window shopping was still important. I bought Arena and Daggerfall when they released, then Fallout 1, Ultima Online was just becoming big by that point too. Baldur's Gate and MM7 in 1998, you either stumbled on the right games at the right times or you didn't.
Yeah, I said a bit. If you go by CRPG Book, it went from 93 to 96. Main thing is that these games brought modern graphics to RPG genre. PC gaming had a small resurgence going on with FPS and RTS genre that were gaining in popularity, RPG's were lacking up to that point.
It was just another obscure pc game noticed in the magazines. Back them it was all about snes/mega drive and then playstations. PC games were the famous ones like Doom, Warcraft or Simcity.
Don't enter a battlefield if you're not prepared to get bloody, anon. It's no ones fault but yours that you're going to casually enter into an argument without being specific.
They had a cool cover but I bought FF7 for PC instead of the first one. Then my friend had a CD of the first one so I borrowed it and installed it and it was hard to get a grasp on the interface without a manual but I managed. Was pretty cool and I ended up either pirating or buying a re-release of F2 later.
The voice acting and head closeups were immersive back then and I recall thinking the leather jacket armor and the spikey one was really cool. Had Ian & Dogmeat backing me up.
I already liked RPGs so that stuff was nothing new. The traits and perks like bloody mess was kinda out there but I wasn't fascinated by the gore like a lot were, I liked the little pip boy pics of him imitating Conan and was a horny kid so being able to sex prostitutes for caps was neat inbetween the real quests. The dialogue was fine and I think one of the things I liked about it was the easter eggs like the flying saucer and in the sequel the Monty Python and the Holy Grail ref. (which is obviously more played out now than then)
But really it was one cool game out of many for me at the time. I liked it and played it several times but that was about it.
Oh yeah. I recall maxing energy weapons and screwing myself, then returning with a melee weapons/gambling/steal/speech guy to rob prostitutes, gamble and steal and I recall making a bunch of different builds messing around with sniper and melee-only unarmed guys. Later on some save editing.
Come to think of it I think I first saw a friend's older brother play a pirated copy of it where he showed off that you could aim guns at groins and eyes before I ever played it myself. Had totally forgotten about that.
And yeah F2 was buggy as frick. Crashed about as much as early releases of Morrowind did. >enter the Den crash to desktop >do something in the Den crash to desktop
Morrowind was crash-tastic when it first came out for me. I still remember spending several hours trying to get it to run okay with my gfx card. I was amazed running around the cities mostly like Balmora and Vivec.
Only games that really sit in my memory for crashing were Daggerfall, which was absolutely terrible until Unity, and Fallout 3, which I couldn't play on PC for weeks and finally had to buy on console.
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The one's I recall that was actually paid for and not just 50+ dos warez discs being funky was Fallout 2, Morrowind and VTMB off the top of my head. The fricking installer for VTMB kept crashing for me and I hit a wall-stuck bug and saved in the Tzimisce hotel that I had to enable console to fix.
Oh yeah. I recall maxing energy weapons and screwing myself, then returning with a melee weapons/gambling/steal/speech guy to rob prostitutes, gamble and steal and I recall making a bunch of different builds messing around with sniper and melee-only unarmed guys. Later on some save editing.
Come to think of it I think I first saw a friend's older brother play a pirated copy of it where he showed off that you could aim guns at groins and eyes before I ever played it myself. Had totally forgotten about that.
And yeah F2 was buggy as frick. Crashed about as much as early releases of Morrowind did. >enter the Den crash to desktop >do something in the Den crash to desktop
Oh yeah and it goes without saying that FF7 was way cooler at the time no contest.
I liked Fallout but I was engrossed by FF7 like playing it 7-10 hours a day and trying to figure stuff out on my own spending way more time in areas than necessary thinking there was more there. Think I hit a wall around the Great Glacier's climbing timers that I couldn't figure out as a kid and didn't come back to it way later. General MIDI music with that Yamaha Synth was perfect.
People were shitposting about games even in the earliest days of the internet.
Moar-anon wins.
As for Fallout 1 and 2, 1 was interesting although I didn't like it that much. Didn't bother with 2.
>Moar-anon wins.
It was never my assertion that people didn't shit post about games or talk about them. I said hardly anyone was talking about them, not that no one was talking about them.
He flew off the handle when I called him out for making shit up. He just wanted to be pedantic when I didn't mention gamefaqs and usenet when it was practically implied by mailing lists/BBS.
NTA, but >hardly anyone
Is such a vague description I find it kind of a silly hill to die on
In my specific bubble plenty of people both irl and online talked about f2
In relation to today? Not even close. Gaming was already a niche hobby, PC gaming even more so. The amount of people we're talking about here is a fraction of what it is nowadays, and that fraction is divided even more by how many people actually had the game, which, worldwide, was 100,000 sales in 1997 for Fallout 1 and 128,000 in 2000 for Fallout 2, and then how many of those people actually took the time to go online and talk about it. I'm not going to argue semantics, this argument was stupid from the start, all I cared about was how much of a dick anon wanted to be over something so minor.
>how much of a dick anon wanted to be over something so minor
where exactly was i being a dick? complete nonsense, you were the one who started throwing insults like a baby from being slightly challenged. what a baby.
Insulting the intelligence of other people and making claims about people you know nothing about while being a haughty piece of shit is being a dick. Get over yourself and frick off already.
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>Insulting the intelligence
where? >while being a haughty piece of shit
where?
lol is this babby's first gaslight? no way this dude is an adult, gotta be a larp and he got caught and is now butthurt.
>how much of a dick anon wanted to be over something so minor
where exactly was i being a dick? complete nonsense, you were the one who started throwing insults like a baby from being slightly challenged. what a baby.
Just stop it already, you're just derailing the thread at this point, you will never agree, move on
I bought it because the cover was cool and it said "RPG" and I was completely blown away by it. I'd actually played Dark Sun: Shattered Lands before then and loved it and it really reminded me of that game, like it was an evolution of that design philosophy that came from sincerely trying to marry P&P, adventure games, and CRPGs.
I played Fallout 2 when it came out and thought it was a crappy engine sequel like xcom TFTD that I didn't think much of. I wasn't a "canon" guy, didn't do that particular kind of nerd shit like read Star Wars novels, so I didn't care about "the fallout universe" or whatever, I wanted new settings and stories.
*also at the time I was really into GURPS and I thought the game really reminded me of it, and then many years later I found out it had been developed as a GURPS licensed game but they pulled the license partway through development
So I was definitely in the target audience, yet I'd never heard of it before I saw it on the shelf. At least the Gold Box games were advertised in Dragon magazine.
>come back to this thread and it’s just a bunch of redditor homosexuals jerking eachother off over how somebody else is a big meanie >can’t even tell who’s supposed to be the big meanie
>daddy if i like your old games will you accept me then?
No son, any moron can see Todd's Fallouts are superior. Desperately pretending otherwise just makes me disown you more. You don't have to try so hard to impress anyone or to be liked.
>Boomer Anons
Didn't have home computers. I'm on the early end of Millennial and the old floppy IBMs wouldn't have been up to the task, we needed Win95. Boomers were off the train after the Casette Tape. Also daily reminder that people born after 2000 aren't people and shouldn't have an opinion.
Reaction was good. They'd keep you occupied for a good 200 hours doing different runs with various builds and approaches. Good Guy run, Bad Guy run, One Punch run, all drugs, no drugs, so on. One of the few games back then with that kind of depth.
To be entirely fair, its probably accurate that any game from back then that you've heard of is somewhere in the top 20%. As with movies and music, there are endless mountains of trash from which we sift the top one or two out of ten and pass them down to future generations, who will call them overrated because they've aged badly.
i was 15 when i played these for the first time, but this was already in the very early 2000s so they were a few years old by then. but trust me when I say they were genuinely eye opening experiences that very few games have captured since
Millennials were born starting in 1980 you moronic Black person.
That means they were 17 when Fallout 1 was made.
You "people" and i use the word loosely never get this generation thing right. Stop spamming it, idiot.
You are a fricking moron. The entire point of the term "millennial" is these kids born in the 80s entered adult hood around 2000
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So it should be 82+ then, anyway not the guy you were arguing with, I don't use these terms. Because, it's stupid, like astrology.
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No. its 1980+ its around the turn of the millennium.
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It's made up nonsense either way. Like astrology. It means nothing and tells you nothing that a person's age wouldn't.
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most of the boomer vs millennial thing goes back to the early 00s. When it was discovered boomers were deliberately pissing away their kids inheritance on holidays.
Then some psychotic boomers responded with a hate campaign against the millennial generation not working hard enough (most of them would not be legally adults) and were impacting their shares portfolios.
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Particularly as older millennials are closer to gen x in the world they grew up in while younger millennials are closer to zoomers
millennials and zoomers are nothing alike.
This shit has been going on forever, for thousands of years, the "kids these days" thing, it's just been exacerbated by the media as psyop divide et impera since the 70s. I've been called boomer, I've been called millennial, I've been called zoomer. Nobody knows what any of that means, it's just used to justify an us vs. them mentality and it's based on hot air. Today's young people are tomorrows old people and they'll complain just the same.
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No it hasn't. The baby boomer phenomenon was caused by world war 2.
Boomers were a spoiled generation, their parents who live austerely through the war worked hard to give them everything. Baby boomers inherited a peacetime world, where jobs were easy to obtain, partners and sex was easy to obtain. Everything was easy for them. This characterised their generation as a habitual indulgence chasing generation. Thats why they get unreasonably irate at anyone even their own kids impacting their hedonistic lifestyle.
10 months ago
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Nah. That's all nonsense.
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But what about the Capricorns, man. They evil.
Its kinda ironic you brought up the generation shit then got butthurt after getting it all wrong. >not that guy
Yeah sure
Piss off little Black person this shit doesn't concern your types.
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Yes, not that guy. Never brought it up, he's a gay too. I've talked shit about gen wars for years. It's garbage, polluting your brain. It's basically console wars, but even less based on reality, because a generational label tells you nothing about people.
10 months ago
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Yeah not that guy but you are a moronic homosexual.
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>i've talked about something for a long time no one else can
no one cares asspie
Sucks to have something you're invested into mentally be mocked, eh? Poor guys, the memes got to you.
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i'm not invested in it more than the guy that said he was so invested in it he argued for years about it and now thinks its damaged his tiny brain.
The funny thing is kid you spent years arguing about these terms without even knowing what it was about.
Because you are an idiot Ganker zoomer educated by meme spam.
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Yeah, you can't even communicate properly. Your words don't follow from mine and they are full of illusions. That's what I mean, it's all finger pointing nonsense.
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You said quote >I've talked shit about gen wars for years. It's garbage, polluting your brain.
You are a classic Dunning-Kruger. Frick off leave chimp boy. You are equal to a chat bot.
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>can't read >reddit kruger >randomly spergs about /misc/
lol, good one.
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>i've talked about something for a long time no one else can
no one cares asspie
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> This shit has been going on forever, for thousands of years, the "kids these days" thing, it's just been exacerbated by the media as psyop divide et impera since the 70s
True, it has been going on forever. Every generation thinks the ones after them are small and stupid and useless and disrespectful. But, as ~~*societal subversion*~~ has accelerated, the differences between generations are more pronounced. Boomers were the first generation to grow up with TV brainwashing and I don’t know if they’ll ever break the conditioning.
Also, like you said, artificial generational conflicts are invented and amplified. >goyim, remember, we didn’t destroy the world, your parents did. Hate them, not us
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Particularly as older millennials are closer to gen x in the world they grew up in while younger millennials are closer to zoomers
1980 is actually Gen X, but I'll play along just to show how stupid and worthless you are. The very oldest millennials were still literal children and your dumb homosexual ass thinks this is some kind of gotcha?
I'll repeat since you're obviously a moron with severe mental deficiencies. Fallout was made by Gen X for Gen X not by or for millennial morons such as yourself.
Academic publications by the Michigan State University, Eastern Michigan University, Kennesaw State University and Merrimack College cite millennials as born in 1980
Oxford Living Dictionaries describes a millennial as a person "born between the early 1980s and the late 1990s."[41] Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines millennial as "a person born in the 1980s or 1990s."[42]
You are a low iq Dunning-kruger and should not be discussing this subject.
The oldest millennials were 17. Fallout was rated 17+ (16+ outside the US)
No clue what point you are trying to make you downie low iq Black person.
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>No 1980 is Millennial
Nope. Literally the first result on Google, you moronic millennial loser. 1980 is Gen X.
>Millennials, also known as Generation Y or Gen Y, are the demographic cohort following Generation X and preceding Generation Z. Researchers and popular media use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years, with the generation typically being defined as people born from 1981 to 1996.[1] Most millennials are the children of baby boomers and older Generation X.[2] In turn millennials are often the parents of Generation Alpha.[3]
The very oldest millennials were 16. Fallout was rated 17+ and 18+. Millennisoys were not even considered by the designers or marketing.
More cites for your down syndrome ass
Governmental institutions such as the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Center for the Promotion of Imports in the Netherlands have also used 1980 to 1995.[63][64] Psychologist Jean Twenge defines millennials as those born 1980–1994.[65] Likewise, Australia's McCrindle Research uses 1980–1994 as Generation Y (millennial) birth years.[66]
The term geriatric millennial gained popularity in 2021 to describe those born in the beginning half of the 1980s between 1980 to 1985. The term has since been used and discussed by various media outlets including Today[80], CTV News[81], HuffPost[82], news.com.au[83], The Irish Times[84] and Business Insider.[85]
My boomer dad got me (millenial) into them as a kid. I posted earlier in the thread, we got Fallout 1 for Christmas when it came out. He played Wasteland before that but it was too old and janky for me to get into.
Poor guy, we both love bg1/2 and we are both playing bg3 now. Even boomers don’t deserve bg3
My boomer pop got me a bunch of good quality pc games (actually mac games) but ironically he had zero interest them in. Almost as if the more interested in them i was the less he cared. I ended up dling Fallout over a 56k modem.
At least i remember my pop helping me pull off the cdcopy and refund trick
the only gen worse than the boomers is the gen X generation.
They were called the no good generation. They had a tendency to drop out and create subversive material and act like edgy hipsters. Because the boomers had already done all the real counter culture stuff. The gen xers were born in the midst of it and with no battles to fight just went on the internet and complained
>Jonathan Rauch, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, wrote for The Economist in 2018 that "generations are squishy concepts", but the 1981 to 1996 birth cohort is a "widely accepted" definition for millennials.[1] Reuters also state that the "widely accepted definition" is 1981–1996.[43]
>The Brookings Institution defines the millennial generation as people born from 1981 to 1996,[53] as does Gallup,[54] Federal Reserve Board,[55] and the American Psychological Association.[56] Encyclopædia Britannica defines millennials as "the term used to describe a person born between 1981 and 1996, though different sources can vary by a year or two."[57] Although the United States Census Bureau have said that "there is no official start and end date for when millennials were born"[58] and they do not officially define millennials,[59] a U.S. Census publication in 2022 noted that Millennials are "colloquially defined as the cohort born from 1981 to 1996", using this definition in a breakdown of Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) data.[60]
>The Australian Bureau of Statistics uses 1981–1995 to define Millennials in a 2021 Census report.
>Sociologist Elwood Carlson, who calls the generation "New Boomers", identified the birth years of 1983–2001, based on the upswing in births after 1983 and finishing with the "political and social challenges" that occurred after the September 11 terrorist acts.
>Author Neil Howe, co-creator of the Strauss–Howe generational theory, defines millennials as being born from 1982 to 2004.[20]
So let me get this straight some asspie is mad that millennials neatly fall into the teenage demographic of Fallout.
So he is going to autistically have an 8 hr fit that Millennials are off by 1 year
Imagine being such a pedantic, hair-splitting homosexual that you argue with other pedantic hair-splitting homosexuals on an anime image board for roleplaying video games about whether an artificially contrived generation begins on a specific year N, or N+1
I tried the Fallout demo and thought it sucked ass. Everyone whose opinions I respected kept praising it so I bought the full version anyway and ended up loving it. It was not that impressive in terms of its UI and graphics but the gameplay and writing carried it.
I played the demo. What i used to do was steal the minigun and gib dregs. >not impressive in term of ui and graphics
yes it was, easily one of the best looking games of the period.
I've never heard about it having a demo at all, where in the game is it set
I'm surprised I missed it, I was into bulletin boards and I usually got stuff like that, e.g. the original xcom demo. I guess 97 was pretty late in the game when everyone was switched to AOL.
I didn't like Fallout much when playing it for first time. 100 day limit was annoying as frick, it was times when you couldn't check online guide is you got stuck. On the other hand, I liked that some dialogue choices can antagonize whole city and get you killed, it was refreshing that I had to watch my words with NPCs
Immense fascination and immersion.
Terms like groundbreaking get thrown around too often, but in the case of f1&2 it absolutely fits.
Of course after decades they look old and primitive, but that's the nature of any progressing medium.
For zoomers more used to modern UIs and graphics it's gonna be much harder to get a comparable experience, especially since passion projects like these are one in a million these days. F1 devs were literally paid in pizza.
They were products of a time when (crpg) games were essentially made by nerds for nerds. And with nerds I mean people with deep interest, passion and understanding in different mediums and their relevant technology. The fairweather midwits calling themselves or others "nerds" because they kinda like the image of modern dnd and wear glasses are the bane of any blossoming medium.
Nowadays games are "made" by business -minded empty suits to extract the maximum amount of profit through any means necessary, no matter how shit the end product is, that is secondary to making profit.
Video games are quite literally toys, and toys are for children
How is it possible to be up your own ass enough try to pull this shit over video games
But that's moronic, a game is essentially just another medium among books, songs and movies, but with the difference they can be all included in a video game, but not vice versa. In a technical sense vidya is the superior medium as it can contain all the other mediums, but I reject the idea of some medium being inherently superior because it's very small-minded and misses the point.
It's like saying books are for children or videos are for children. The content is not tied to the medium.
That's like saying all anime and manga is shounen.
>that’s like saying comic books are for kids too!
>comics
No, it's like saying any medium that utilizes text + images is for children.
Cartoons, which anime is, are for kids and autistics
A cartoon is just a series of drawn images in animation. Heavy Metal wasn't for kids or autistics.
>heavy metal wasn’t for autistics
Now you're just baiting or being a moron, whichever the case I wish you good luck
all tranime is for children (and manchildren) just like cartroons
Fallout was rated M, it wasn't for kids. You could make it kid safe by setting the violence to none and turning on the language filter though.
Would that still leave number of things inappropriate for children? Slavery, drug use, prostitution...
>Video games are quite literally toys, and toys are for children
I got a toy for your son, I'm sure he'll love it
I wish those were available back when I was young, had to improvise with rolled up towels and condoms.
bicycles, sports and watching tv are for children.
grow up boomer
define what a toy is please
And the midwits will gobble it up as long as it's perceived socially "cool" enough, until the next trend arrives and they mold their identity to fit the herd again.
Can you elaborate on what it did that was different from prior games?
It's become a buzzword (pair), but choice and consequence. You can approach the situations in the games from many directions and (try to) utilize your character's stenghts, skills and abilities however you see fit best. It wasn't perfect obviously, but it's obvious it was mindblowing enough that the IP itself was considered golden. The setting's pretty cool too, but by now bethesda has raped it to hell and back while simultaneously gutting the things that made the originals great.
I'm a zoomer and I wanted to say I played fallout 3 first and at first glance I saw how different fo1 fo2 were from the fps we know today. I thought eeeghh it might be boring but I'll give it a go. I absolutely fricking loved it. I was blown away. I miss the type of fun from this game. I wish they made fallout new vegas in the birds eye view turn based combat. This game broke my prejudice. I cannot express how deeply I fell in love with it.
I was like 6 when it came out, so I played it as a teenager. I'm replaying FO1 right now and I'm impressed they managed that level of detail and refinement in 1998.
they're shit, 3 is the first good Fallout game
Frick off
I didn't play them for a while because I was just out of high school and very busy, but I enjoyed them a lot in the early 2000s. Lots of choices.
they were rated decently high in pc game magazines (9+/10) and everyone liked them.
Tried to get into them multiple times and always ended up quitting after a few hours. Boring setting, pretentious writing, mind-numbingly dull combat. I played plenty of other crpgs, spent countless hours on Baldur's Gate and other infinity engine games.
Even back when they first came out, the Fallout games were always the most popular among that particular breed of repellent nerd, what we recognize today as the reddit basedboy. If you can manage to play more than a few hours of fallout then you don't have a soul.
Boy are you bitter. I hope you have or find something that brings you unpretentious joy in your life.
Crpg is the nerd genre you twat-in-denial. Hell, pc gaming in general has usually been the nerd space. Trying to draw a distinction between bg1&2 and f1&2 fandoms is moronic since they are essentially the same group.
Baldur's cuck is garbage too but at least it's somewhat playable unlike Troonout
Fallout 3 was the first good game in that miserable franchise, pseuds and posers can chock on a dick
I don't remember them being that popular. They were kind of in bargain bins in the late 90s, and I thought why not. I recently got a PC to share with the rest of my family, and I was playing the Might & Magic series off and on, which I really enjoyed. I got Baldur's Gate and was really engrossed, and then after I went back and started playing these games. It was different, and felt really immense and you were basically going around exploring. But then I got IWD and MMVI so played those more.
Holy... Stop being so mad. Seriously, please talk to a psychologist.
Played em both as a kid, liked both of them. Got Fallout for Christmas and the box said “Remember Wasteland?” My dad played wasteland but it was always too old and janky for me. Both games had really cool manuals with apocalypse themed recipes at the back.
Honestly the first time I ever saw the opinion “fallout 2 sucks and is worse than 1” was this board, I was quite shocked because growing up I always remembered people generally liking both of them, if they liked them at all. Same with BG1 and BG2. But just like those games, I have to admit the arguments for why the first game are superior do have some merit to them.
A part of that is that the humour and tropes in f2, which were actually somewhat novel/not that prevalent at that time, really don't hit like they did in 1998. F1 was much drier so it has aged better in that regard. And the f2-style obviously spawned a number of copycats and people who overdid it, resulting in mass beatings of deceased horses on fan internet message boards over the decades, partly distilling into "reddit". New Vegas was smart enough that they hid that kinda stuff behind the "Wild Wasteland" -perk. F2 would benefit from something similiar.
An example from another game which has stuck out for me: finding Larry, Darryl and Darryl in bg1 was an absolute silence with cricket sounds for me, I had zero context or any feeling for that specific reference. F2 has a number of encounters like that, worked in 1998, but aged badly.
btw I still prefer f2 simply because it's more fleshed out and has more reasons for replays. The humour/reference stuff is also not *that* prevalent to begin with (pretty same ratio as you find the Wild Wasteland shit in fnv), but I can see how some people might be alienated by it
>The humour/reference stuff is also not *that* prevalent to begin with
To me it seemed way too much, half the quests had something silly going on.
I guess being an esl I missed a lot of anglo-centric references, really didn't see the silliness, I guess they just melded into the general insanity of the post-nuclear world. The hubologists were just like any insane cultists to young me.
If they ever rape the corpse of f2, they could at least tone that down I guess.
Fallout 2 had a lot of bugs i remember that
Yeah the car bug was the infamous one. It was still playable without patch, but there were some painful bugs present in the release copy.
F1 felt very atmospheric (I had little exposure to american popculture at that point in life so most immersion-breaking references went mercifully over my head), combat felt very gimmicky with movement on hexa grid for no apparent reason, wild crits, and seemingly irregular initiative order.
F2 was largely the same but longer, perhaps a tad too long.
I remember playing a demo and seeing my older brother get and play the full game. Mutants and master looked cool, but otherwise the game didn't look interesting to me, really.
I only played them later after hearing they're the best crpgs.
Pure garbage and not enough explosions.
A Mortal kombat adventure game
Games back then weren't like they are today. For the people who were PC gamers, the reaction was subdued because the internet wasn't nearly as useful as it is now and hardly anyone was talking to each other about anything outside of mailing lists - I'm not even sure I knew that there was an official forum for the game to shitpost on, though I did visit the official webpage a few times and it was extremely primitive. Magazines were kind of, sort of popular, but not enough and I certainly didn't give a shit what they had to say about something, if I saw a game that looked neat in the store, I would buy it, that's just how it was.
As for my personal reaction, it was just another game that I really liked playing. I wasn't following new releases like you would now, so anything good coming out was a nice surprised rather than anticipated... at least for the most part, because I remember patiently waiting for FF7 to be localized. I was always more of a PC gamer, though, and I did spend a lot of time playing Quake 2 using whatever lobby finder was available at the time, like gamespy or whatever else that I've long forgotten.
Cont.
Also I would say I was fairly "lucky" as a PC gamer because my dad was an early computer nerd and made some hand me down PC's that I played a lot of. I had only two friends from 10-20 that even had a PC to play games on, and that was only while I was in 5-6th grade, after that, only one other person I knew was into PC gaming or had a PC to game on, and he only played Everquest.
>hardly anyone was talking to each other about anything outside of mailing lists
well, hardly anyone was buying crpgs either. usenet and various forums had quite a bit of discussion about rpgs. i see this a lot where people who were alive but late to join the internet think it didn't exist until broadband.
>late to join the internet
Not finding some rare and niche rabbit hole doesn't mean someone was "late to join the internet", anon. I never said the internet "didn't exist until broadband" either, you pretentious douche.
>rare and niche rabbithole
lol, usenet and gamefaqs are rare and niche? yes, you were late to join the internet.
>you pretentious douche
calm down, autist. it's a figure of speech.
Nah, you're being an asshat because people didn't do the exact same shit you did on the internet, and you're putting words in my mouth to sell your shit argument.
i'm just correcting part of your post with my own experience and you are getting really butthurt about it, kiddo. your reaction is all of out sync with my tone, relax.
You're treating other people like their experiences are less important to yours, and you're acting like everyone is an idiot if they didn't care enough to visit some barely interesting early message boards to talk with a small group of people about video games like you were part of some exclusive club. It's sad. You can frick off now.
no, i'm saying you don't know what you are talking about and you are continually reaffirming that. ignorance isn't a permanent fault, anon, don't take it so personal.
And you're still being a dipshit, not a coincidence.
and you're still crying about minor disagreement... moar?
lol, for someone who thinks they're so mature, you sure are being a massive piece of shit and can't let the fact that you're a god awful ignorant homosexual go.
>no u
moar?
yawn. You can always leave, smart guy. Resorting to internet babby trolling isn't a redeeming quality.
moar?
Sad
moar?
>maybe if I keep spamming the same thing, I'll convince everyone I'm not a moron.
moar?
>no guis, im not just a stuttering loser on Ganker
moar?
this is fun.
>oh wow, being an idiot is much easier than having some tact
>lol im totally not having a meltdown guis, trust me
>if only i was clever enough to say something witty instead of posting meme images
>i'm definitely the most mature person here
>just in case you thought I grew up and left like I should have done an hour ago, I'm back to continue being a jackass on the internet.
>maybe this one will do it
>i wonder how long i can be verbally abused until i finally cry myself to sleep
Magazines were big, though. Everyone that was into games had access to a few. I remember huge press that Fallout 2 received. It was on covers of gaming mags, and also mentioned in all general pc magazine that only covered major releases. It was constantly amongst the most anticipated games, and after it was released, it was often mentioned and compared to.
F1 was before my times, but people often touted it as a major game that helped resurge rpg genre. There was a bit of a slump after Wizardry 7, Ultima 7, and Golden Box games. Then came Diablo, BG1, and Might and Magic 6.
i never used mags. just browsed at the store when i had cash. box art was really important.
I had plenty of magazines, and still have some saved from back then, but it didn't dictate what I would buy, especially since everyone has their own taste in games. I didn't have every issue, though, so certainly there may have been some cover art for Fallout.
>but people often touted it as a major game that helped resurge rpg genre.
The RPG genre was never in a slump, or needed resurgence. Experience with different games of the genre may very, and that's part of the problem with PC gaming back then is that no one could really follow all releases of a particular genre since window shopping was still important. I bought Arena and Daggerfall when they released, then Fallout 1, Ultima Online was just becoming big by that point too. Baldur's Gate and MM7 in 1998, you either stumbled on the right games at the right times or you didn't.
Yeah, I said a bit. If you go by CRPG Book, it went from 93 to 96. Main thing is that these games brought modern graphics to RPG genre. PC gaming had a small resurgence going on with FPS and RTS genre that were gaining in popularity, RPG's were lacking up to that point.
It was just another obscure pc game noticed in the magazines. Back them it was all about snes/mega drive and then playstations. PC games were the famous ones like Doom, Warcraft or Simcity.
>im so butt blasted i can't even quote posts anymore
>Sees post about schizo meltdown
>assumes it's about him
self-report
Don't enter a battlefield if you're not prepared to get bloody, anon. It's no ones fault but yours that you're going to casually enter into an argument without being specific.
They had a cool cover but I bought FF7 for PC instead of the first one. Then my friend had a CD of the first one so I borrowed it and installed it and it was hard to get a grasp on the interface without a manual but I managed. Was pretty cool and I ended up either pirating or buying a re-release of F2 later.
The voice acting and head closeups were immersive back then and I recall thinking the leather jacket armor and the spikey one was really cool. Had Ian & Dogmeat backing me up.
I already liked RPGs so that stuff was nothing new. The traits and perks like bloody mess was kinda out there but I wasn't fascinated by the gore like a lot were, I liked the little pip boy pics of him imitating Conan and was a horny kid so being able to sex prostitutes for caps was neat inbetween the real quests. The dialogue was fine and I think one of the things I liked about it was the easter eggs like the flying saucer and in the sequel the Monty Python and the Holy Grail ref. (which is obviously more played out now than then)
But really it was one cool game out of many for me at the time. I liked it and played it several times but that was about it.
Oh yeah. I recall maxing energy weapons and screwing myself, then returning with a melee weapons/gambling/steal/speech guy to rob prostitutes, gamble and steal and I recall making a bunch of different builds messing around with sniper and melee-only unarmed guys. Later on some save editing.
Come to think of it I think I first saw a friend's older brother play a pirated copy of it where he showed off that you could aim guns at groins and eyes before I ever played it myself. Had totally forgotten about that.
And yeah F2 was buggy as frick. Crashed about as much as early releases of Morrowind did.
>enter the Den crash to desktop
>do something in the Den crash to desktop
nta, but I don't remember crashing all that much in Fallout 2 or Morrowind. This kind of thing is always different from person to person.
Morrowind was crash-tastic when it first came out for me. I still remember spending several hours trying to get it to run okay with my gfx card. I was amazed running around the cities mostly like Balmora and Vivec.
Only games that really sit in my memory for crashing were Daggerfall, which was absolutely terrible until Unity, and Fallout 3, which I couldn't play on PC for weeks and finally had to buy on console.
The one's I recall that was actually paid for and not just 50+ dos warez discs being funky was Fallout 2, Morrowind and VTMB off the top of my head. The fricking installer for VTMB kept crashing for me and I hit a wall-stuck bug and saved in the Tzimisce hotel that I had to enable console to fix.
Oh yeah and it goes without saying that FF7 was way cooler at the time no contest.
I liked Fallout but I was engrossed by FF7 like playing it 7-10 hours a day and trying to figure stuff out on my own spending way more time in areas than necessary thinking there was more there. Think I hit a wall around the Great Glacier's climbing timers that I couldn't figure out as a kid and didn't come back to it way later. General MIDI music with that Yamaha Synth was perfect.
People were shitposting about games even in the earliest days of the internet.
Moar-anon wins.
As for Fallout 1 and 2, 1 was interesting although I didn't like it that much. Didn't bother with 2.
>Moar-anon wins.
It was never my assertion that people didn't shit post about games or talk about them. I said hardly anyone was talking about them, not that no one was talking about them.
Seems like a misunderstanding then and no one wins
He flew off the handle when I called him out for making shit up. He just wanted to be pedantic when I didn't mention gamefaqs and usenet when it was practically implied by mailing lists/BBS.
NTA, but
>hardly anyone
Is such a vague description I find it kind of a silly hill to die on
In my specific bubble plenty of people both irl and online talked about f2
and f1, obviously
In relation to today? Not even close. Gaming was already a niche hobby, PC gaming even more so. The amount of people we're talking about here is a fraction of what it is nowadays, and that fraction is divided even more by how many people actually had the game, which, worldwide, was 100,000 sales in 1997 for Fallout 1 and 128,000 in 2000 for Fallout 2, and then how many of those people actually took the time to go online and talk about it. I'm not going to argue semantics, this argument was stupid from the start, all I cared about was how much of a dick anon wanted to be over something so minor.
>how much of a dick anon wanted to be over something so minor
where exactly was i being a dick? complete nonsense, you were the one who started throwing insults like a baby from being slightly challenged. what a baby.
Insulting the intelligence of other people and making claims about people you know nothing about while being a haughty piece of shit is being a dick. Get over yourself and frick off already.
>Insulting the intelligence
where?
>while being a haughty piece of shit
where?
lol is this babby's first gaslight? no way this dude is an adult, gotta be a larp and he got caught and is now butthurt.
Just stop it already, you're just derailing the thread at this point, you will never agree, move on
He just can't quit, that's the limit of his maturity.
POV: some real good autistic shitflinging on the menu
I bought it because the cover was cool and it said "RPG" and I was completely blown away by it. I'd actually played Dark Sun: Shattered Lands before then and loved it and it really reminded me of that game, like it was an evolution of that design philosophy that came from sincerely trying to marry P&P, adventure games, and CRPGs.
I played Fallout 2 when it came out and thought it was a crappy engine sequel like xcom TFTD that I didn't think much of. I wasn't a "canon" guy, didn't do that particular kind of nerd shit like read Star Wars novels, so I didn't care about "the fallout universe" or whatever, I wanted new settings and stories.
*also at the time I was really into GURPS and I thought the game really reminded me of it, and then many years later I found out it had been developed as a GURPS licensed game but they pulled the license partway through development
So I was definitely in the target audience, yet I'd never heard of it before I saw it on the shelf. At least the Gold Box games were advertised in Dragon magazine.
>come back to this thread and it’s just a bunch of redditor homosexuals jerking eachother off over how somebody else is a big meanie
>can’t even tell who’s supposed to be the big meanie
06' person here, these are the best fallout games in the franchise
>daddy if i like your old games will you accept me then?
No son, any moron can see Todd's Fallouts are superior. Desperately pretending otherwise just makes me disown you more. You don't have to try so hard to impress anyone or to be liked.
Only thing Todd really brought to the game was first person, and I don't think it makes it better.
>Boomer Anons
Didn't have home computers. I'm on the early end of Millennial and the old floppy IBMs wouldn't have been up to the task, we needed Win95. Boomers were off the train after the Casette Tape. Also daily reminder that people born after 2000 aren't people and shouldn't have an opinion.
Reaction was good. They'd keep you occupied for a good 200 hours doing different runs with various builds and approaches. Good Guy run, Bad Guy run, One Punch run, all drugs, no drugs, so on. One of the few games back then with that kind of depth.
To be entirely fair, its probably accurate that any game from back then that you've heard of is somewhere in the top 20%. As with movies and music, there are endless mountains of trash from which we sift the top one or two out of ten and pass them down to future generations, who will call them overrated because they've aged badly.
i was 15 when i played these for the first time, but this was already in the very early 2000s so they were a few years old by then. but trust me when I say they were genuinely eye opening experiences that very few games have captured since
Fallout will always be a Gen X game. Boomers were too old and moronic. Millennials were too young and moronic.
CRPGs in general are a deeply Gen X genre.
what lol? Fallout was made by gen Xers for millennials
>Fallout was made by gen Xers
Yes.
>for millennials
Millennials were about 8 years old when Fallout came out, moron.
Millennials were born starting in 1980 you moronic Black person.
That means they were 17 when Fallout 1 was made.
You "people" and i use the word loosely never get this generation thing right. Stop spamming it, idiot.
Generation shit is fairly inconsistent because it's ultimately made up and moronic anyway.
You are a fricking moron. The entire point of the term "millennial" is these kids born in the 80s entered adult hood around 2000
So it should be 82+ then, anyway not the guy you were arguing with, I don't use these terms. Because, it's stupid, like astrology.
No. its 1980+ its around the turn of the millennium.
It's made up nonsense either way. Like astrology. It means nothing and tells you nothing that a person's age wouldn't.
most of the boomer vs millennial thing goes back to the early 00s. When it was discovered boomers were deliberately pissing away their kids inheritance on holidays.
Then some psychotic boomers responded with a hate campaign against the millennial generation not working hard enough (most of them would not be legally adults) and were impacting their shares portfolios.
This shit has been going on forever, for thousands of years, the "kids these days" thing, it's just been exacerbated by the media as psyop divide et impera since the 70s. I've been called boomer, I've been called millennial, I've been called zoomer. Nobody knows what any of that means, it's just used to justify an us vs. them mentality and it's based on hot air. Today's young people are tomorrows old people and they'll complain just the same.
No it hasn't. The baby boomer phenomenon was caused by world war 2.
Boomers were a spoiled generation, their parents who live austerely through the war worked hard to give them everything. Baby boomers inherited a peacetime world, where jobs were easy to obtain, partners and sex was easy to obtain. Everything was easy for them. This characterised their generation as a habitual indulgence chasing generation. Thats why they get unreasonably irate at anyone even their own kids impacting their hedonistic lifestyle.
Nah. That's all nonsense.
Its kinda ironic you brought up the generation shit then got butthurt after getting it all wrong.
>not that guy
Yeah sure
Piss off little Black person this shit doesn't concern your types.
Yes, not that guy. Never brought it up, he's a gay too. I've talked shit about gen wars for years. It's garbage, polluting your brain. It's basically console wars, but even less based on reality, because a generational label tells you nothing about people.
Yeah not that guy but you are a moronic homosexual.
Sucks to have something you're invested into mentally be mocked, eh? Poor guys, the memes got to you.
i'm not invested in it more than the guy that said he was so invested in it he argued for years about it and now thinks its damaged his tiny brain.
The funny thing is kid you spent years arguing about these terms without even knowing what it was about.
Because you are an idiot Ganker zoomer educated by meme spam.
Yeah, you can't even communicate properly. Your words don't follow from mine and they are full of illusions. That's what I mean, it's all finger pointing nonsense.
You said quote
>I've talked shit about gen wars for years. It's garbage, polluting your brain.
You are a classic Dunning-Kruger. Frick off leave chimp boy. You are equal to a chat bot.
>can't read
>reddit kruger
>randomly spergs about /misc/
lol, good one.
>i've talked about something for a long time no one else can
no one cares asspie
> This shit has been going on forever, for thousands of years, the "kids these days" thing, it's just been exacerbated by the media as psyop divide et impera since the 70s
True, it has been going on forever. Every generation thinks the ones after them are small and stupid and useless and disrespectful. But, as ~~*societal subversion*~~ has accelerated, the differences between generations are more pronounced. Boomers were the first generation to grow up with TV brainwashing and I don’t know if they’ll ever break the conditioning.
Also, like you said, artificial generational conflicts are invented and amplified.
>goyim, remember, we didn’t destroy the world, your parents did. Hate them, not us
Particularly as older millennials are closer to gen x in the world they grew up in while younger millennials are closer to zoomers
millennials and zoomers are nothing alike.
1980 is actually Gen X, but I'll play along just to show how stupid and worthless you are. The very oldest millennials were still literal children and your dumb homosexual ass thinks this is some kind of gotcha?
I'll repeat since you're obviously a moron with severe mental deficiencies. Fallout was made by Gen X for Gen X not by or for millennial morons such as yourself.
I'm p. sure they made it for whoever would buy it.
No 1980 is Millennial you idiot
Academic publications by the Michigan State University, Eastern Michigan University, Kennesaw State University and Merrimack College cite millennials as born in 1980
Oxford Living Dictionaries describes a millennial as a person "born between the early 1980s and the late 1990s."[41] Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines millennial as "a person born in the 1980s or 1990s."[42]
You are a low iq Dunning-kruger and should not be discussing this subject.
The oldest millennials were 17. Fallout was rated 17+ (16+ outside the US)
No clue what point you are trying to make you downie low iq Black person.
>No 1980 is Millennial
Nope. Literally the first result on Google, you moronic millennial loser. 1980 is Gen X.
>Millennials, also known as Generation Y or Gen Y, are the demographic cohort following Generation X and preceding Generation Z. Researchers and popular media use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years, with the generation typically being defined as people born from 1981 to 1996.[1] Most millennials are the children of baby boomers and older Generation X.[2] In turn millennials are often the parents of Generation Alpha.[3]
The very oldest millennials were 16. Fallout was rated 17+ and 18+. Millennisoys were not even considered by the designers or marketing.
More cites for your down syndrome ass
Governmental institutions such as the UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Center for the Promotion of Imports in the Netherlands have also used 1980 to 1995.[63][64] Psychologist Jean Twenge defines millennials as those born 1980–1994.[65] Likewise, Australia's McCrindle Research uses 1980–1994 as Generation Y (millennial) birth years.[66]
even more cites for your moronness
The term geriatric millennial gained popularity in 2021 to describe those born in the beginning half of the 1980s between 1980 to 1985. The term has since been used and discussed by various media outlets including Today[80], CTV News[81], HuffPost[82], news.com.au[83], The Irish Times[84] and Business Insider.[85]
My boomer dad got me (millenial) into them as a kid. I posted earlier in the thread, we got Fallout 1 for Christmas when it came out. He played Wasteland before that but it was too old and janky for me to get into.
Poor guy, we both love bg1/2 and we are both playing bg3 now. Even boomers don’t deserve bg3
My boomer pop got me a bunch of good quality pc games (actually mac games) but ironically he had zero interest them in. Almost as if the more interested in them i was the less he cared. I ended up dling Fallout over a 56k modem.
At least i remember my pop helping me pull off the cdcopy and refund trick
can tards stop repeating deranged boomer propaganda about "muh millennials"
the only gen worse than the boomers is the gen X generation.
They were called the no good generation. They had a tendency to drop out and create subversive material and act like edgy hipsters. Because the boomers had already done all the real counter culture stuff. The gen xers were born in the midst of it and with no battles to fight just went on the internet and complained
But what about the Capricorns, man. They evil.
lol, dat cherry picking from wikipedia.
>Jonathan Rauch, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, wrote for The Economist in 2018 that "generations are squishy concepts", but the 1981 to 1996 birth cohort is a "widely accepted" definition for millennials.[1] Reuters also state that the "widely accepted definition" is 1981–1996.[43]
>The Brookings Institution defines the millennial generation as people born from 1981 to 1996,[53] as does Gallup,[54] Federal Reserve Board,[55] and the American Psychological Association.[56] Encyclopædia Britannica defines millennials as "the term used to describe a person born between 1981 and 1996, though different sources can vary by a year or two."[57] Although the United States Census Bureau have said that "there is no official start and end date for when millennials were born"[58] and they do not officially define millennials,[59] a U.S. Census publication in 2022 noted that Millennials are "colloquially defined as the cohort born from 1981 to 1996", using this definition in a breakdown of Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP) data.[60]
>The Australian Bureau of Statistics uses 1981–1995 to define Millennials in a 2021 Census report.
>Sociologist Elwood Carlson, who calls the generation "New Boomers", identified the birth years of 1983–2001, based on the upswing in births after 1983 and finishing with the "political and social challenges" that occurred after the September 11 terrorist acts.
>Author Neil Howe, co-creator of the Strauss–Howe generational theory, defines millennials as being born from 1982 to 2004.[20]
it's wiki gays edit warring you are an asspie. The definition is clearly 80s.
>clearly
Apparently not, lol. Face it, it's all fricking made up bullshit. Let it go and just talk to people as individuals.
I told you before you little c**t Black person frick off
Why? I love watching you flounder in impotent rage as your sacred labels are challenged.
what sacred labels you spastic
>guy continually throwing a fit calls others spastics
Total self-awareness death.
you are a dumb Black person
>moron tries to pull the muh boomer and muh millennial shit
>gets btfo by an educated millennial
good
So let me get this straight some asspie is mad that millennials neatly fall into the teenage demographic of Fallout.
So he is going to autistically have an 8 hr fit that Millennials are off by 1 year
Imagine being such a pedantic, hair-splitting homosexual that you argue with other pedantic hair-splitting homosexuals on an anime image board for roleplaying video games about whether an artificially contrived generation begins on a specific year N, or N+1
>zoomers are too dumb to understand what a boomer and millennial is
I tried the Fallout demo and thought it sucked ass. Everyone whose opinions I respected kept praising it so I bought the full version anyway and ended up loving it. It was not that impressive in terms of its UI and graphics but the gameplay and writing carried it.
I never even knew there was a demo until years later. A kid at school was talking about fallout and bloods and crips and I was like what the frick?
I played the demo. What i used to do was steal the minigun and gib dregs.
>not impressive in term of ui and graphics
yes it was, easily one of the best looking games of the period.
I've never heard about it having a demo at all, where in the game is it set
I'm surprised I missed it, I was into bulletin boards and I usually got stuff like that, e.g. the original xcom demo. I guess 97 was pretty late in the game when everyone was switched to AOL.
can't remember but i think Junk town
If you were old enough to have a pc in the 90s, you are a boomer. Simple as.
what about having a pc in the 80s?
a rich boomer?
not really, but, i don't want to be associated with 90s kid plebs. give me a worthy moniker.
As someone who was actually alive when these came out and not a moronic larper, I did not care and thought RPGs were gay. I was right.
I didn't like Fallout much when playing it for first time. 100 day limit was annoying as frick, it was times when you couldn't check online guide is you got stuck. On the other hand, I liked that some dialogue choices can antagonize whole city and get you killed, it was refreshing that I had to watch my words with NPCs
>itt: millennial morons btfo again