Boomers be like
>this is the best video game of all time
and don't see any problem with this
Boomers be like. >this is the best video game of all time. and don't see any problem with this
Boomers be like
>this is the best video game of all time
and don't see any problem with this
Yep
Umm, that's not Super Metroid or Warcraft 3...
literally not an issue if you're not a speedtroony
Theres dozens of these in every stage to the point that if you did a normal 120 star playthrough and NEVER had this happen at least one time you are insanely lucky.
I don't get why its such a huge surprise to people that some of the first 3D games that were drawing traingles were held together with duct tape and good wishes, people don't generally get it right the first time.
Quake came out the same week as Mario 64 and it doesn't have these problems
Hey come on, Quake had Carmack and they were working with PC hardware.
Not to mention completely different ways they handled meshes and collisions.
>Hey come on, Quake had Carmack and they were working with PC hardware.
>Not to mention completely different ways they handled meshes and collisions.
So what you're saying is... Consoles are shit?
Seriously.
Frick the log in TTM. That shit has trolled me since childhood and now I know why.
I sure am glad pannenkoek showed everyone what a unplayable mess SM64 is so now we can have these dogshit threads.
>t. Miyamoto
At the time no one watched multi hour documentaries on how walls work and so no one knew or cared that there were issues with the collision detection. This shit will only frick you over once in a casual run if you're unlucky and you probably wouldn't have even thought anything of it.
You can divide them into three types
>invisible walls you will never encounter unless you look for them
>invisible walls that you might encounter but you will be at worst temporarily inconvenienced by
>invisible walls that just fricking kill you while playing normally
Most of the insta-death walls are in the later levels so anyone that isn't going for 100% could dodge them simply out of expedience
I appreciate Pannen for being such a great nucleation point for dank memes
The streamer seethe was funny
Explains a frickin lot of the BS I encountered as a child
Zoomers be like
>I'm going to watch an autistic 4 hour video about this old game and pretend I played it as a kid
and don't see any problem with this
>pretend I played it as a kid
SM64DS doesn't use the same engine. The last game to use SM64's engine (in a heavily modified state) was Animal Crossing
Not even the same game.
you're right. it's better
Only a shit taste, moronic zoomer who hasn't played the real one would think that. All you did was confirm the original post.
I sure do love 3d platformers with dog shit controls, camera, and a tacked on character swapping system that forces you to backtrack, swap characters, and redo stages until you find the character the game wants you to use for a given star.
It's almost as good as my favorite game DK64
>pop in game for the first time
>forced to play as yoshi and can't play as mario yet
what were they thinking??
This game was hell on the ds lites squishy D pad. And hold Y to run? What the frick were they thinking?
>Y button is completely worn down after two playthroughs since you're constantly holding it, can't press Y for shit anymore
>it was on the original model DS so no rubber membrane to simply replace, no way did 10 year me no how to replace metal dome buttons and I still don't even after building my own arcade sticks with soldering and everything, metal dome sucks
Classic mistake, should have been hold Y to walk
Not a problem in the DS remake, which is the superior version anyway unless you are a raging homosexual.
The DS version is shit, even with the "analog" control mod (it's not analog) it has worse movement and worse mechanics.
I need to finish watching this video, I keep resuming it and then I get distracted, I'm currently 40 minutes in.
those are soul lines
Yes. Yes, it is the best video game of all time.
I literally just finished drawing this, I'm almost done with the actual video it's great
Incredible work anon
Thanks
Although now I'm a little more paranoid about the game itself, I've absolutely run into a fair amount of the invisible walls mentioned in the video after my countless casual playthroughs, I didn't know there were so many
You drew this? Hilarious.
>vertice
it's vertex, anon.
and you made mario's hat partially transparent
Oh whoops, thanks.
I actually saved up for an entire summer to buy a DS bundled with Mario 64 and even back then was let down by the DS port. Still played it to death, but man D-pad controls should not be in such a 3 dimensional game.
My sides
honestly add one-unit gaps between the ceiling hitbox so it looks like OP image and you're golden
Like this?
It's so perfect I'm actually sad about it. I don't think I will ever witness anything so perfect again in my life. Your art has robbed me of all joy
Don't be so glum, Bejita, Pannen said he'll make more Mario 64 kino. If we got 8 years of entertainment out of Half an A Press this can only be the beginning.
I think the more Ai artwork proliferates, the more valuable stuff like this will become.
The best parts about early 3d Nintendo games like Mario and OOT are the weird bugs
What's funny is how small some of these gaps were.
>took 30 years for people to notice and discover
yeah i'm thinking it's not an issue
People were noticing it all the time, it's just now that Pannen shined a light on it, everyone understood how bad things truly were.
I personally remember bumping into a few of these on that fricking log and in one of the bowser levels.
Can I get a QRD? I don't remember there being walls on the mushrooms
Our king has outdone himself once again
this is not a quick run down
Fair, but me linking you the video is.
An actual QRD is
>There's floors, walls, and ceilings. The angle of the triangles determines the types.
>ceiling extend infinitely upward unless stopped by a floor. Walls won't stop ceilings, only Mario. 99% of ceilings in the game are blocked by floors and work fine, but that 1% is quite troublesome
>the ceiling leakage can be caused by a lot of things. Messy floor triangle placement is the most common, but it can also be moving platforms doing weird things, weird floor priority to determine floor height, or buggy seams
>some are worse than others. Some are literally a couple of units in abjectly worthless spots you have to go out of your way to hit. Some are complete messes and make entire areas speedrun nightmares. TTM and TTC are especially bad.
sm64 is riddled with invisible walls, most of which are actually exposed ceiling hitboxes (which extend upwards until they hit something) or out of bounds hitboxes. in either case you can't see it, but they are visualized in the image. they are pretty hard to actually hit because they are very small and you will simply go through them at most any speed, but it can happen every now and then
>In order to make you unable to go "inside" a platform, devs made it so that the "ceiling" of its lower part (think of it as bottom of a barrel) has collision going infinitely upwards, until it meets another "floor" (in the barrel example, cover it up with a lid)
>due to a combination of negligence, coordinate rounding issues, and primitive tools the devs had to work with, tops of these mushrooms aren't perfectly aligned with their bottoms, leading to a lot of holes for the collision hitbox to leak through
>as a player, you have no idea these exist because actual 3D model of the mushroom has nothing to do with collision triangles
>if you try approaching this mushroom from any of the walled sides while not being fast enough, or from unlucky distance, you will bump into these walls and fall to your death
>30 years to notice
video exists because people did notice though, the clock level is specially fricked because of this
>almost 4 hour video essay on invisible walls in Super Mario 64
Why are white men like this?
more like a dictionary than an essay
he chose the extreme autism subclass
is he even white
has anyone seen him irl
I have no idea but I enjoy the knowledge that he got pen waifus
It's a reference guide
Pannenkek's autism hyperfixated itself to Mario 64, but it's not the good kind of autism due to his whole inane half a-press speedrun shit. Look at Kaze for the good kind of hyperfixated autism, as you both learn practical things from his videos as well have tons of amazing romhacks to play that he puts out.
He's gone beyond white. He's translucent.
>Why are white men like this?
Curious? Educated? Interested in dissecting mechanical systems to understand their inner workings? I'm not sure, but it's probably at least partially the reason why they took over the world while shitskins can't figure out toilets.
>casual can't space his quarter steps properly
git gud homosexual
>Mario 3 had 90 levels.
>SMW had 70 levels.
>Mario 64 had 15 levels.
Your "best video game of all time" is barely even a game.
each star is its own level dipwit
The more I learn about floating point numbers the more I realize that floating point numbers are the fricking devil.
The invisible walls are mainly caused by the 16-bit integers though
Yeah, by rounding floating points due to the fact they take more computational power to process.
They can be very useful but I think they're overused.
I like languages that have rational numbers built-in. Some went all-in and the basic divide operator returns rationals. It's slower but I think it's a good default. If you want speed you figure out what it should do instead and ask for it explicitly.
But you can't just use rationals for everything. It's slower and the size of the denominator can just grow out of control. You have imprecision and numerical stability issues with floats, but automatically trimming your numbers also solves a lot of issues and it has to be done one way or another when you don't want unlimited precision to build up. For scientific/engineering calculations they always made sense.
small indie dev
>discord troony seething decades later still