>ESL weeb has a word-salad melty the moment someone disagrees with him
Gundam is low-quality capeshit and you are such a loyal paypig you'll strike out to unrelated boards to defend Corporation:Japan's grorious product.
The amount of people insulting gundam ITT fricking worries me, like this guy picking, out of all possible insults "capeshit" >calling gundam capeshit
do you even know what gundam is about and its themes?
I get it, that guy is a homosexual, but do you seriously needed to lie so fricking hard and say something you either don't believe at all or you dont know anything about just to spite him?
Sometimes I believe schizo shitposters are a tool to manipulate opinion. If I wanted to make a board hate something a schizo shitposting constantly about how much he likes it and being moronic would do the trick, like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV, the bikini schizo made everyone defend bikinis and in this thread how people are somehow shit talking gundam because of a moron malding about it
fricking hell
>like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV
Barry didnt need to do that for me
Its just a very mid game
FF16 is also pretty mid story wise but gameplay is fun at least
>its a mid game
oh thats fine, I personally enjoyed it even if it was flawed as frick
The difference is that he is so moronic about it that people go to extra lenghts to demonize the game and focus on insulting it and only talking shit out of spite for dumbfrick Barry, similar to how our gundam schizo makes people say the dumbest things about gundam its equally untrue and disingenious to say "ffxv worst game ever and pure cancer that ruined the company forever" but Barry's autistic reaction is fricking funny ngl instead of "eh, I didnt like it, it was mid", even to the point that I wouldn't be able to talk about the game with sincerity if I wanted to (not that I want to, tho)
Its more about people overreacting to schizos and engaging on shit flinging because of them
>Sometimes I believe schizo shitposters are a tool to manipulate opinion. If I wanted to make a board hate something a schizo shitposting constantly about how much he likes it and being moronic would do the trick, like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV, the bikini schizo made everyone defend bikinis and in this thread how people are somehow shit talking gundam because of a moron malding about it
That's called astroturfing. Companies and other certain groups do it all the time. Why do you think boards covering more broad or mainstream topics are such clusterfricks?
Correct.
The next step is to understand the fact that schizo shitposters are functionally the same as paid shills. It's astroturfing either way, it's brainspace that was bought and paid for decades ago.
As someone who's only watched 08th ms team and MS igloo the gravity front, I avoided the rest of gundam because what I heard about newtypes and uber-super special prototype model mechas sounded really capeshitty to me. Most anime does though.
For all the shit people say about Japanese fiction focusing more on hard work or whatever, an awful lot of their settings seem to be focused on deterministically supernaturally gifted fellows and their one of a kind magical toys.
08th ms team probably has the second or third most amount of protag plot powers in the entire franchise. They just made it dirtier and didn't give his suit a v-fin.
6 months ago
Anonymous
So your issue is that I am actually too accepting of gundam's capeshittery. Fair enough.
You are an absolute moron who doesn't even know what "capeshit" even fricking is if you think anything in Gundam even resembles it, holy frick. Like the degree of ignorance is honestly fricking astounding. Did your parents keep you locked in a basement and feed you lead paint?
You're screeching like a moron Black person.
Take a deep breath and try to come up with an actual rebuttal. I wasn't personally attacking you anon, just disagreeing.
Also I have no dog in the GW vs Gunpla miniature fight here, I'm just talking about capeshit, 40k is capeshit tier too.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's that you can't actually perceive it. 90% of 08th ms team fans are people who don't realize they just watched one of the most idealistic, protag super powers, star crossed lovers romance series there is, more so than gundam usually is. Most of the reason they don't notice this is because they never watch any other gundam series. It's dudes who've only watched 08th telling other dudes to only watch 08th all the way down.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Idealism and romance isn't inherently capeshit? Neither is a competent protagonist?
Do you want to elaborate on what is particularly superpowers-esque?
I'll admit it's been quite some time since I watched it, so maybe I'm not remembering things accurately, but the main character was just an ace pilot(not a super psychic next evolution of the human race) in an upgraded feddy mecha(not some super prototype).
What is your definition of capeshit? How am I wrong?
6 months ago
Anonymous
You simply haven't watched gundam and don't understand the point of comparison.
And?
Exactly. You literally can't see it.
08th ms team fans have a habit of being emperors with no clothes, proudly bragging about how they saw the one true quality gundam series.
Then for some reason they hard stop there, refuse to watch even the other OVAs, and make wild assumptions about how the rest of it just has to be full of pink haired children screaming to activate their super mode and saving the universe. I don't know why. Do you know why? It's not like amuro wears a cape or something.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Because robots in space with laser swords and giant ridiculous wings.
Terrestrial robots just barely make sense, in space it's moronic, with laser swords and laser scythes it's extra moronic, with wings it's super-duper-extra moronic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You described an entirely different, and only visually related series. Gundam Wing has basically only design fundamentals with any of the Universal Century stuff. That's the main Gundam timeline, and like I said, basically every series, OVA, movie, etc, is good or great. Again, you don't actually know what you're talking about. Stop trying to have an opinion for something you don't know.
[...]
maybe I'll give the UC stuff a shot then, and probably rewatch 08th MS as well, to see if I'm letting it off too easy
I don't remember any explicit mention of newtypes though
Shiro is definitely a newtype, and so is his Zeon girlfriend.
No one in this thread has apparently built a Master Grade because theyre one of the most satisfying and lovingly made kits out there. The details are incredible, but I doubt OPs taste using a Ver.Ka one.
Gunla kits blow the shit out of GW's monopose kits who are increasingly of poor designs that looks like the next generation of creatives they hire all have rejected B tier Xbox 360 games on their portfolio. GW's new stuff is overdesigned and betrayed the retroscifi grit that actually made a space marine look cool.
And Gunpla are produced in Japan, not China. The quality is nice. Maybe Bandai needs to enter into the tabletop market finally. I could see a gundam wargame being pretty decent. And no one should be defending GW's price or pretending anyone will be playing the new Epic a year from now. Anons in this thread really do fall for every hype cycle.
I would kill for this. They might be the only company that could really upset the current state of miniature games, and all they would have to do is make rules. The kits already exist. Granted, a smaller scale would definitely be more sensible, but even then, they already produce smaller stuff. The artifact ones in particular seem like a perfect size balance.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think I've heard at some point in the past bandai released some rules for playing 1/144 scale gunpla as a tabletop game. Published in some JP magazine iirc. Or maybe I dreamed it, but some anon might have it because Im fairly sure there was a thread about it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They have given a couple half hearted tries. Including a ruleset for a boxed wargame, and some military sims that take place in specific theaters of the One Year War. Obviously, there's a few fan ones, like Plamo vs Plamo, but there would really need to be a properly branded one. Realistically, it would have to be a smaller scale, to maybe even allow for models of ships. Like, if I could build a zeon fleet to scale with a bunch of Zakus, that would be an instant buy. Wargamers would have their interest piqued, because there isn't really a naval wargame right now, and collectors would want more gundam. The diaorama potential alone makes me want this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I wouldnt be interested in a 144 scale wargame, but one about 40k's size and I'd be buying the shit out of them. There's a wealth of variant suits out there, and they must have thousands of gundam cad files out there. Sounds like half the work is done for them. They don't even need to step into Zeta territory to have hundreds of kits. They could literally eat Battletech's lunch at the very least.
I think Bandai is more interested in cozying up with GW though. I worry they'd outsource a gundam wargame to GW and at that point I lose interest. I will not pay GW prices for anything gundam related. I'd at best 3D print.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Definitely smaller than 144, but I want the MS to keep plenty of articulation. The problem in what I'd like, is ideally something wear you'd field bigger forces. A shit, some support craft, and the MS themselves. That said, the ships are huge. It makes sense that they are, but it's definitely prohibitive for playing a wargame. Like, a Magellan class shit, the basic flagship for the EFSF, albeit one of their bigger ones, would be two feet long, if and average MS was to the 28-35 mm range. Maybe still fine, if they're more like terrain pieces with gun emplacements and unique rules for movement.
6 months ago
Anonymous
All gundam series have space robots, 08th MS is only forgiveable for taking it terrestrial and then staying there.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Instead of that they're focusing on giving gunpla "gameability" with their focus on gunpla scanning and VR battles.
https://bandai-hobby.net/site/road-to-gunpla-battle-project/
I don't know of they really want to follow through with it or if theyre just playing with the emotions of fans who watch the various Build series, which is all about scanning your custom built gunpla into a VR MMO world to pilot.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The whole thing just feels like it sounded really good in a boardroom a few years ago before the bottom fell out of the NFT market and metaverse crumbled and no one gives a frick about digital goods anymore. I think they're in too deep to drop it, but maybe they can correct into it just being an online gunpla battler game or something now.
Cause yeah, seems like the whole plan was effectively nft based.
6 months ago
Anonymous
There's already enough online mecha games and shit. I'd rather they do something ambitious than it just be GBO2 again. And I don't see nft as a dirty word like everyone else. Id rather have custody of the gunpla I scan rather than it just be yet another account based thing, but I don't even think nft are at all involved anyway.
I don't think Bandai or other companies are wrong about a Metaverse or things like that in the future, I'd just argue they're too early and not visionary enough to be leading the pack. Even the software companies behind VRChat I don't think they know wtf they are doing. In the animes, GBN (their gunpla metaverse) is a full on VR world and anything less than that would just be another transient disappointment
6 months ago
Anonymous
Did you miss the gif of Shiro dodging a Zaku machine gun shell? UC stuff is basically universally good. That's it. Even 08th. Pretending that it somehow doesn't have all the newtype stuff because you like it, is dumb. Honestly, the only one that I'm whatever about is really ZZ. But that's mostly pacing and that the beginning is waaaay too long.
maybe I'll give the UC stuff a shot then, and probably rewatch 08th MS as well, to see if I'm letting it off too easy
I don't remember any explicit mention of newtypes though
6 months ago
Anonymous
I like 08th (mostly), but god no.
The one true quality gundam series is War in the Pocket.
It does "war bad" better in 6 episodes than every single other Gundam series manages in multiple times that length.
6 months ago
Anonymous
War in the Pocket is kino but I don't think it hits as hard without watching 079 prior. Preferably hours prior
6 months ago
Anonymous
Did you miss the gif of Shiro dodging a Zaku machine gun shell? UC stuff is basically universally good. That's it. Even 08th. Pretending that it somehow doesn't have all the newtype stuff because you like it, is dumb. Honestly, the only one that I'm whatever about is really ZZ. But that's mostly pacing and that the beginning is waaaay too long.
6 months ago
Anonymous
08th MS doesn't have any plot powers, the frick are you smoking?!
You are an absolute moron who doesn't even know what "capeshit" even fricking is if you think anything in Gundam even resembles it, holy frick. Like the degree of ignorance is honestly fricking astounding. Did your parents keep you locked in a basement and feed you lead paint?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>reeee gundam isn't capeshit >random asspull power up moments >random asspull deus ex machina moments >the heroes win the day
Yeah I'm thinking capeshit
I'd rather buy my miniatures from the inbred pricks from a freak filled island we probably should nuke than the inbred pricks from a freak filled island we've already nuked.
>Warhammergay has never heard of gundam
Are you guys just massive normies or something? It's one of the biggest sci-fi series around. I had heard of both gundam and warhammer when I was younger. It just seems like you only shill for warhammer and nothing else while gundamchads check out other series like mazinger.
yet ultimately your chinkshit will rot on shelves and no one will be able to find legiones imperialesbos anywhere in stores for months
no matter how much chinkshit plastic you can fit in a single box
Except that "chinkshit" sells out immediately and is a thousand times higher quality than anything GW has ever produced, both in materials, design, and function.
GW makes shitty little static crap used for a poorly balanced wargame while Bandai makes high quality plastic (and sometimes metal with the higher grades of kit) model kits that not only look great but are more durable, better detailed, and actually posable.
Let's face it, Warhammer minis are just funko pops you have to paint yourself.
GW kits are made for having fine details for painting while being sturdy enough for wargaming use. Bandai kits are made for being a faithful representation of anime robots including color separation and articulation. Bandai has a ridiculously effective plastic moulding factory, a much wider global market to divide the costs of new molds and a more reasonable profit structure. GW has a corner on a very niche market and knows how to hype up their upcoming releases to turn their sluggish production capacity into an increased demand due to initial scarcity of release.
GW's niche is that they own Warhammer. Wargaming miniatures, however, is not some niche market that is badly constrained in any way that justifies GW's business practices.
You know, I checked the price and was astonished that GW was selling 10 Rhinos for 50$. What a great price! But then I noticed it was epic scale and wondered how GW got away with it once again. You can find metal 6mm tank minis for half the price of GW plastic.
"GW is small company, please understand!" is a lie you keep telling yourself to justify buying more GW plastic.
tell me you've never painted a plastic GW model without telling me you've never painted a plastic GW model. GW plastic models have nice thick bits that you can fill in like a colouring book, allowing them to keep using their relatively outdated injection moulding tech with the side effect of making painting easy for all skill levels
forge world models used to be really well sculpted with fine and crisp details (if you get one from the first few batches at least)
You miss the point, even with GW's outrageous prices epic is greater value than asiatictrash. Because the maximum acceptable price for asiatictrash is in the negative (as in, they have to pay you for disposing of it).
The error here is wording the pricing complaint as a console-wars-esque "company vs. company" argument, which is naturally going to cause people to go on the defensive. If you would have just said "GW prices are too high", every single Warhammer fan (who operates in good faith) would agree.
As if it took engineering effort to design a little plastic box rhino and copy paste it 10 times.
Fricking $5 little toy car for children is "designed to be transported and handled", is more expensive to produce since it has metal elements and design work since it's interior is modeled and doors open..
What in the living frick dude, no wargame company makes minis that are easy to transport. It honestly feels like they make their games as difficult to play on purpose.
>display piece that isn't intended to be transported and handled
gunpla is fully articulated and master grades have fully modeled moving inner frames
zero cement is needed so armour can be removed and parts can be disassembled as desired
it's even colour separated plastic so you don't have to paint it, which will inevitably rub off with handling
Just say you want to play lego. That's what you're describing. Some people forget that there's the whole kitbashing and modelling aspect to the war gaming hobby that you don't get with gunpla. Your gundam kit can only build that gundam whereas you could convert those rhinos to several different factions.
So you're saying kit bashing and conversions don't exist? Just say you hate GW stuff because it's popular, that's what this thread is really about. It's cool to hate on the because they're the biggest game in town. You can just come out and say it, no need for thinly veiled hate threads.
>mecha autist wants to write about mecha >but he knows the only thing that sells are harems and isekai >makes an isekai harem with mecha >except that the harem is pretty much vestigial as the protagonist has zero libido >and the isekai part is mostly irrelevant as well >so it's just a story about fantasy mecha
kek
6 months ago
Anonymous
He was pretty fun in SRW 30, basically just going nuts for mechs like a fan
>there's the whole kitbashing and modelling aspect to the war gaming hobby that you don't get with gunpla.
J E S U S !
F U C K !
you are literally a moron...
LITERALLY!!!
....
most GunPla builders who know what glue and putty is, and
who buy paint, have kitibashed at least one thing.
Even if they kitbash poorly, it's fokkin' everywhere.
HG models sure, but MG's like the from OP are often hand grenades with bits falling off and, joints getting loose if you move them around too much, pic fricking related. Their purpose is to put them on a shelf and change their pose once in a while.
>asiatic >Chink
There is nothing that upsets me more than Black personhomosexuals using the wrong racist terms. Japanese are Nips, you fricking morons.
>10 of the most iconic space marine vehicle from a really cool unique setting >vs some big pile of weeaboo mecha anime slop that looks exactly the same as 2343084952 other shitty generic asian mecha
>40kucked >unique and cool
It's just generic edgeslop where everyone's a c**t and nobody can ever win because MUH CHAOS. It's poorly written slop that makes fricking iron-blooded orphans look well-written in comparison.
The intent is to highlight that the GW product is absurdly bad value, and to cut a long story short, people who buy GW products are severely moronic and shouldn't have human rights.
Though OP does a rather bad job of it since not that many Warhammer players do gunpla or vice versa.
Why would any actual scale modeller buy a gundam kit? The designs are so basic you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel.
But the designs of Gundams make it easier than most things. This is an intentional part of their design. As for time that's why I add "actual scale modeller". Obviously there are plenty of people who simply couldn't make one/couldn't be bothered and that's fine.
>you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel
I would love to see someone make a Perfect Grade RX78 with only sheets of plasticard and some putty.
If you include putty then it's absolutely possible. See any decent clay sculpture. But the stipulation of perfect grade is neither here nor there. I'm talking generally.
You do know that the guy who made the model of your pic buys gundam kits, right?
Why would any actual scale modeller buy a gundam kit? The designs are so basic you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel.
are you actually that stupid or is this a bit?
the obvious answer is that making things purely scratchbuilt from plasticard and putty is much more time and effort and sometimes you just want to build and maybe modify an existing kit without spending dozens of hours cutting up styrene.
No, Perfect grade is the grade. Even HG kits blow anything GW produces out of the water for around ~$15. You really don't understand that actual engineering goes into the designs, especially for everything above. First, you build the machine's fully articulated skeleton. Moving plates, pistons, springs, etc. Then you add armor plates that move with the motion of the body beneath. And that says nothing of all the extra features unique to the model. Go scratch build your own ass so you can frick yourself.
>you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel
I would love to see someone make a Perfect Grade RX78 with only sheets of plasticard and some putty.
I always wondered why Dandai never bothered making a Gunpla-based Tactics game it's not like they didn't sell OYW infantry units or had previously made tactics game beforehand
Might have something to do with the popularity of wargames in japan? The scale of the smallest big-line gundam minis would require pretty big batttlefields and one thing japan lacks is space and time for group hobbies. its why TTRPGs in japan are mostly of the one-off variety or with very short campaigns.
I doubt most shops or homes would have the space to store terrain, minis and tablespace for the game, or atleast be able to rationalise such a decision.
Also bandai kinda dum sometimes. However there is a fanmade one and ive read the PDFs, its very well done it seems. It does come with a downside you need to put your gundams on bases and probably even glue pieces in a single pose since a lot of gunpla is very fragile on handling because you are meant to pose it and forget it.
I'm not disagreeing with whatever point you're trying to make here, but without context, this is totally meaningless. You're banking on every given viewer of this thread being familiar with both of the models in question, and knowing what's inside both kits.
Its stuff like this that makes me never want to touch games workshop shit. Its overpriced and significantly worse quality than random ass Japanese Model kits even stuff outside of Gundam stuff where the budget is way smaller still out does everything games workshop does. They feel 3 decades out of date the fact they still need glue to make their kits work is laughable, most chinese bootlegs don't even need glue now.
To be fair, while slip molding is a neat trick, they have since backed away from that gimmick as the RG joints they used this on became very loose over time. New RG kits will only have a random part or two like this instead of the whole inner frame.
Well, duh, toys and hobby kits are not about how big a chunk of plastic you're getting but what is made of it and if you have personal attachemnt to that particular brand or franchise.
Majority of gunpla and model kits are generally priced very fairly for what you get, the complexity of the manufacturing and shipping, and the overall quality. Only time you'll end up overpaying is when a kit is getting scalped due to being out of production.
Meanwhile, GW just outright overcharges on every conceivable metric, insists that they HAVE TO overcharge, and their quality only gets worse. The price is high because they want it to be and because they have enough paypigs who will gladly overpay and then brag about how happy they are they get to waste their money.
I was honestly amazed by the quality and engineering that goes into gunpla, not to mention the size.
If Bandai made the Titans for Warhammer, they'd literally be less expensive than a box of Primaris marines - and they'd have better quality.
The Gundam kit only needs clippers and files for a complete product. For a GW product you also need to add in the cost of paint and brushes. Gunpla wins yet again.
GWs product has infinitely more value because you can use them for gaming giving you thousands of hours of fun, with gunpla you're done in a couple of hours of entertainment.
Sorry but it's the truth.
Building a Sazabi takes like two hours, you then put it on your self and thats it.
Money gone, entertainment gone.
Just a single game of 40k gets you that much entertainment and is a million times more fun.
Just saying it like it is.
Sorry facts and logic trigger you that much.
I'm paying for plastic not a vague notion of hypothetical "entertainment"
No, you're paying for products not raw materials you moron.
And one product providers thousands of hours of entertainment, the other is just displayed on a shelf after you build it.
>he doesn't paint his gunplay or make it into a diorama
pathetic
You could build 50 gundam dioramas it still takes less skill, effort and time than building a 2k points 40k army.
I can throw my ball against a wall for free, for an infinite amount of time.
Million times more entertaniment than breaking my back bending over a table with a bunch of sweaty, smelly autists.
Yeah a ball has great value, what's your point?
You can't even pose your gundam without it falling apart.
fyi: I've built and painted several RG gunpla kits, I have nothing against the hobby but saying its better value than 40k is just moronic
>I have nothing against the hobby but saying its better value than 40k is just moronic
You're either huffing some strong copium or just shitposting at this point.
If you compare box of 1/100 gundam vs box of 5 assault marines - gundam box has imore value by any objective metric. More material, better engineering, even assembly is designed to be fun. 5 assault marines are just 2 sprues punched straight out of a machine, there's no thought put into assembly and barely any thought put into customization or posability.
The "value" you derive from game is not only subjective but also incomparable as it's not directly tied to the box of 5 dudes. Someone can have more fun posing or recreating scenes from the show than playing the game.
A box of marines is the same prices as a RG kit, but you'll play with your marines for decades, the gunpla kit goes on the shelf the same day you unbox it never to be touched again.
>Just saying it like it is. >Sorry facts and logic trigger you that much.
I barely even know what a gundam is, and have two 40k armies myself*. You're sounding like a 'tard.
*definitely value my all-metal Dark Ages historicals more, though
>I barely even know what a gundam is
Opinion discarded.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>but you'll play with your marines for decades
Not if they get deleted from the codex :^)
6 months ago
Anonymous
Name one example and cite one official rule where you cannot use your models in games.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You cannot play zoats in a tyranids army anymore or play original squats at all. You have to use them as proxies at best and at that point I may as well just proxy my gunpla.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Models have to be at least/all GW parts.
Models have to use latest bases (I ain't rebasing my fricking naughts and termies, frick GW)
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't pay for products for a vague notion of entertainment. You were btfo'd by the anon pointing out a rubber ball is more value than a Warhammer army by this metric and can't stop coping.
6 months ago
Anonymous
How was I BTFO'd by that, he literally proved my point.
A ball is better value than a 40k army, but a box of marines has thousands of times more value than the most expensive, best engineered gunpla kit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ball wins every time so idk why you're playing Warhammer then. Clearly the ball is better value by your own metrics.
Could it possibly be that there's more to value than your personal opinion?
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't choose what to play based on its value, I'm just proving to you 40k models are better value than gunpla kits.
And yeah I still play football from time to time.
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're making a claim that Warhammer has more value because of the entertainment and longevity factor. But the rubber ball proves that isn't some innate factor of pricing because there's no material cost of "entertainment". You're delusional.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>A box of marines is the same prices as a RG kit, but you'll play with your marines for decades,
You will play with a rubber ball for decades. Rubber ball provides more value than an entire 40k army. Rubber balls should cost $1000+ dollars confirmed :^)
I don't choose what to play based on its value, I'm just proving to you 40k models are better value than gunpla kits.
And yeah I still play football from time to time.
But you choose what to PAY based on the value and 40k models are insanely overpriced for what is in the box. That's the entire point.
6 months ago
Anonymous
A ball having better value than a 40k army doesn't disprove a box of 40k models having better value than a same priced gunpla kit tho.
You're making a claim that Warhammer has more value because of the entertainment and longevity factor. But the rubber ball proves that isn't some innate factor of pricing because there's no material cost of "entertainment". You're delusional.
We're not talking about raw materials value but product value.
If you care so much about plastic, just buy a slab for $100, you'll be set for life.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I can woosh my gunpla through the air, which makes me giggle and clap my feet together. Basic supply and demand proves my value is superior.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I'm trying to understand what you're saying but all I read is "oink oink". Is that pigspeak for you coping?
6 months ago
Anonymous
Ah okay, so you're a poorgay, this explain why you're so adamant about this.
kek keep seething
6 months ago
Anonymous
I actually own loads of warhammer, I just hate all of it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Funny how you only seem to respond to half the posts calling you out on your bullshit. Could it be cope, paypiggy? Post paystub, prove you aren't poor.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No, he's just smart with his money.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you think a rubber ball doesn't cost 10 000 dollars if it provides better value than an entire 40k army?
>I have nothing against the hobby but saying its better value than 40k is just moronic
You're either huffing some strong copium or just shitposting at this point.
If you compare box of 1/100 gundam vs box of 5 assault marines - gundam box has imore value by any objective metric. More material, better engineering, even assembly is designed to be fun. 5 assault marines are just 2 sprues punched straight out of a machine, there's no thought put into assembly and barely any thought put into customization or posability.
The "value" you derive from game is not only subjective but also incomparable as it's not directly tied to the box of 5 dudes. Someone can have more fun posing or recreating scenes from the show than playing the game.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you can have 10,000 hours of fun posing your robot
Brother the joints give out after 30 reposes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Source? Warhammer minis snap all the time too so idk what point you're trying to make.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit what is with anons on this board having moron strength gorilla grip? It seems like every third thread I dip into has some anon crying about they accidentally crush their minis into a fine powder just trying to paint the damn things.
>Just saying it like it is. >Sorry facts and logic trigger you that much.
I barely even know what a gundam is, and have two 40k armies myself*. You're sounding like a 'tard.
*definitely value my all-metal Dark Ages historicals more, though
I can throw my ball against a wall for free, for an infinite amount of time.
Million times more entertaniment than breaking my back bending over a table with a bunch of sweaty, smelly autists.
>2 hours
Obvious moron is obvious
I’ve been working on the same master grade for like 2 weeks. Between snipping (properly, not just yoinking it straight from the sprue) sanding, painting (this includes primers, pre-shading, etc) and decals, a single kit takes well more than 2 hours, especially for functional adults with full time jobs, and double especially if you’re married.
Your desire to justify your hatred for something should not lead you to being uninformed and disingenuous
Playing warhammer is negative value. It actually devalues the kit. Saying "this can also be used to play warhammer" is like saying "this can also be rammed down your dickhole".
It's bait anon. Nobody who's spent more than an hour even adjacent to the gunpla community would think you can't paint or kitbash them. I'm not even into Gundam and I know that.
Bandai's pricing seems to be based on production and quantity of material/used to produce such a product along with complication of assembly of said product.
GW just knows it's paypiggies/scalpers will pay top dollar so they make paypiggies/scalpers pay the lore-tax.
What also sucks is that GW's pricing makes other miniature wargaming toy companies follow suite in being "cheap" but only cheap when compared to GW which isn't very cheap.
Also worth noting that not only has the overall quality of bandai's model kits gotten better, but the complexity, detail, and overall level of engineering has improved, on top of offering a wider variety of models, model types, etc.
>Get 3d Printer. >Print better models. >Or unauthorized 40k sculpts I guess if you really want. >Print any plastic you want for a fraction of the price. I've played one match of 40k in the past 23 years and I didn't care for it, I just get shocked at the price of the damned plastic models. I do have some random resin models I've bought or sculpted and then printed and painted though. That's fun. I mostly play TTRPGs. SW Legion has some fun models though, and I bought some fan sculpts I can print out and use next time I run a Star Wars RPG.
You'd think that all the people paypigging for GW must really, really enjoy the game or that it's a really fun game to play that is masterfully designed and deserving of the financial hurdles GW puts up around it, but damn it's really not. It wouldn't be worth it at half the price, and it's barely worth paying when you're only 3d printing things for pennies.
>Badguy >Red >Big sword-like gun >Big sword-like shield >Big fukkin robot feet
Looks 10/10 to me. Idk, maybe you want something else from gundam, but this is exactly what I want from gundam.
Its mainly about building them and then having a nice fig you can pose. The fun is in building them and if your inspired, painting and kitbashing them, too. You can do a lot to take even a basic kit into an awesome looking one but at the end of the day, its like those new modern lego sets. There's even flower pot lego sets.
No one in this thread has apparently built a Master Grade because theyre one of the most satisfying and lovingly made kits out there. The details are incredible, but I doubt OPs taste using a Ver.Ka one.
Gunla kits blow the shit out of GW's monopose kits who are increasingly of poor designs that looks like the next generation of creatives they hire all have rejected B tier Xbox 360 games on their portfolio. GW's new stuff is overdesigned and betrayed the retroscifi grit that actually made a space marine look cool.
And Gunpla are produced in Japan, not China. The quality is nice. Maybe Bandai needs to enter into the tabletop market finally. I could see a gundam wargame being pretty decent. And no one should be defending GW's price or pretending anyone will be playing the new Epic a year from now. Anons in this thread really do fall for every hype cycle.
40k is shit and ridiculously overpriced.
That said
Call me when gundam delivers a message that isn't "WAR BAD". I'm tired of hearing WAR BAD.
I already know WAR BAD, it's bloody obvious and I wish the japs would stop constantly saying it.
Wonder where this cope came from when the vast majority of gunpla is made in Japan and Bamco has been building more factories in Japan.
GW products like books and packaging and some terrain sets were manufactured in China until relatively recently, does that mean they are/were Chinese?
40k is shit and ridiculously overpriced.
That said
Call me when gundam delivers a message that isn't "WAR BAD". I'm tired of hearing WAR BAD.
I already know WAR BAD, it's bloody obvious and I wish the japs would stop constantly saying it.
Why don't you watch Angel Cop where they tell you israelites bad then?
>10 epic scale Rhinos, the classic APC we have all known and loved since we were children
vs
>some random chinese toy
>classic anglotard that grow up watching homosexuals in colored pajama fighting evil homosexuals in evil looking pajama with "bonk" baloons
England is the superior island nation.
LMAO, how's that sovereignty going with the cost of living crisis?
>ESL complaining about anglos
pottery
>please buy my japanese robot... or I will call you gay!
>ESL weeb has a word-salad melty the moment someone disagrees with him
Gundam is low-quality capeshit and you are such a loyal paypig you'll strike out to unrelated boards to defend Corporation:Japan's grorious product.
The amount of people insulting gundam ITT fricking worries me, like this guy picking, out of all possible insults "capeshit"
>calling gundam capeshit
do you even know what gundam is about and its themes?
I get it, that guy is a homosexual, but do you seriously needed to lie so fricking hard and say something you either don't believe at all or you dont know anything about just to spite him?
Sometimes I believe schizo shitposters are a tool to manipulate opinion. If I wanted to make a board hate something a schizo shitposting constantly about how much he likes it and being moronic would do the trick, like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV, the bikini schizo made everyone defend bikinis and in this thread how people are somehow shit talking gundam because of a moron malding about it
fricking hell
>like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV
Barry didnt need to do that for me
Its just a very mid game
FF16 is also pretty mid story wise but gameplay is fun at least
>its a mid game
oh thats fine, I personally enjoyed it even if it was flawed as frick
The difference is that he is so moronic about it that people go to extra lenghts to demonize the game and focus on insulting it and only talking shit out of spite for dumbfrick Barry, similar to how our gundam schizo makes people say the dumbest things about gundam its equally untrue and disingenious to say "ffxv worst game ever and pure cancer that ruined the company forever" but Barry's autistic reaction is fricking funny ngl instead of "eh, I didnt like it, it was mid", even to the point that I wouldn't be able to talk about the game with sincerity if I wanted to (not that I want to, tho)
Its more about people overreacting to schizos and engaging on shit flinging because of them
Calm down spanish weeb. You seem upset.
>Sometimes I believe schizo shitposters are a tool to manipulate opinion. If I wanted to make a board hate something a schizo shitposting constantly about how much he likes it and being moronic would do the trick, like how Barry made everyone hate FFXV, the bikini schizo made everyone defend bikinis and in this thread how people are somehow shit talking gundam because of a moron malding about it
That's called astroturfing. Companies and other certain groups do it all the time. Why do you think boards covering more broad or mainstream topics are such clusterfricks?
Correct.
The next step is to understand the fact that schizo shitposters are functionally the same as paid shills. It's astroturfing either way, it's brainspace that was bought and paid for decades ago.
As someone who's only watched 08th ms team and MS igloo the gravity front, I avoided the rest of gundam because what I heard about newtypes and uber-super special prototype model mechas sounded really capeshitty to me. Most anime does though.
For all the shit people say about Japanese fiction focusing more on hard work or whatever, an awful lot of their settings seem to be focused on deterministically supernaturally gifted fellows and their one of a kind magical toys.
08th ms team probably has the second or third most amount of protag plot powers in the entire franchise. They just made it dirtier and didn't give his suit a v-fin.
So your issue is that I am actually too accepting of gundam's capeshittery. Fair enough.
You're screeching like a moron Black person.
Take a deep breath and try to come up with an actual rebuttal. I wasn't personally attacking you anon, just disagreeing.
Also I have no dog in the GW vs Gunpla miniature fight here, I'm just talking about capeshit, 40k is capeshit tier too.
No, it's that you can't actually perceive it. 90% of 08th ms team fans are people who don't realize they just watched one of the most idealistic, protag super powers, star crossed lovers romance series there is, more so than gundam usually is. Most of the reason they don't notice this is because they never watch any other gundam series. It's dudes who've only watched 08th telling other dudes to only watch 08th all the way down.
Idealism and romance isn't inherently capeshit? Neither is a competent protagonist?
Do you want to elaborate on what is particularly superpowers-esque?
I'll admit it's been quite some time since I watched it, so maybe I'm not remembering things accurately, but the main character was just an ace pilot(not a super psychic next evolution of the human race) in an upgraded feddy mecha(not some super prototype).
What is your definition of capeshit? How am I wrong?
You simply haven't watched gundam and don't understand the point of comparison.
Exactly. You literally can't see it.
08th ms team fans have a habit of being emperors with no clothes, proudly bragging about how they saw the one true quality gundam series.
Then for some reason they hard stop there, refuse to watch even the other OVAs, and make wild assumptions about how the rest of it just has to be full of pink haired children screaming to activate their super mode and saving the universe. I don't know why. Do you know why? It's not like amuro wears a cape or something.
Because robots in space with laser swords and giant ridiculous wings.
Terrestrial robots just barely make sense, in space it's moronic, with laser swords and laser scythes it's extra moronic, with wings it's super-duper-extra moronic.
You described an entirely different, and only visually related series. Gundam Wing has basically only design fundamentals with any of the Universal Century stuff. That's the main Gundam timeline, and like I said, basically every series, OVA, movie, etc, is good or great. Again, you don't actually know what you're talking about. Stop trying to have an opinion for something you don't know.
Shiro is definitely a newtype, and so is his Zeon girlfriend.
I would kill for this. They might be the only company that could really upset the current state of miniature games, and all they would have to do is make rules. The kits already exist. Granted, a smaller scale would definitely be more sensible, but even then, they already produce smaller stuff. The artifact ones in particular seem like a perfect size balance.
I think I've heard at some point in the past bandai released some rules for playing 1/144 scale gunpla as a tabletop game. Published in some JP magazine iirc. Or maybe I dreamed it, but some anon might have it because Im fairly sure there was a thread about it.
They have given a couple half hearted tries. Including a ruleset for a boxed wargame, and some military sims that take place in specific theaters of the One Year War. Obviously, there's a few fan ones, like Plamo vs Plamo, but there would really need to be a properly branded one. Realistically, it would have to be a smaller scale, to maybe even allow for models of ships. Like, if I could build a zeon fleet to scale with a bunch of Zakus, that would be an instant buy. Wargamers would have their interest piqued, because there isn't really a naval wargame right now, and collectors would want more gundam. The diaorama potential alone makes me want this.
I wouldnt be interested in a 144 scale wargame, but one about 40k's size and I'd be buying the shit out of them. There's a wealth of variant suits out there, and they must have thousands of gundam cad files out there. Sounds like half the work is done for them. They don't even need to step into Zeta territory to have hundreds of kits. They could literally eat Battletech's lunch at the very least.
I think Bandai is more interested in cozying up with GW though. I worry they'd outsource a gundam wargame to GW and at that point I lose interest. I will not pay GW prices for anything gundam related. I'd at best 3D print.
Definitely smaller than 144, but I want the MS to keep plenty of articulation. The problem in what I'd like, is ideally something wear you'd field bigger forces. A shit, some support craft, and the MS themselves. That said, the ships are huge. It makes sense that they are, but it's definitely prohibitive for playing a wargame. Like, a Magellan class shit, the basic flagship for the EFSF, albeit one of their bigger ones, would be two feet long, if and average MS was to the 28-35 mm range. Maybe still fine, if they're more like terrain pieces with gun emplacements and unique rules for movement.
All gundam series have space robots, 08th MS is only forgiveable for taking it terrestrial and then staying there.
Instead of that they're focusing on giving gunpla "gameability" with their focus on gunpla scanning and VR battles.
https://bandai-hobby.net/site/road-to-gunpla-battle-project/
I don't know of they really want to follow through with it or if theyre just playing with the emotions of fans who watch the various Build series, which is all about scanning your custom built gunpla into a VR MMO world to pilot.
The whole thing just feels like it sounded really good in a boardroom a few years ago before the bottom fell out of the NFT market and metaverse crumbled and no one gives a frick about digital goods anymore. I think they're in too deep to drop it, but maybe they can correct into it just being an online gunpla battler game or something now.
Cause yeah, seems like the whole plan was effectively nft based.
There's already enough online mecha games and shit. I'd rather they do something ambitious than it just be GBO2 again. And I don't see nft as a dirty word like everyone else. Id rather have custody of the gunpla I scan rather than it just be yet another account based thing, but I don't even think nft are at all involved anyway.
I don't think Bandai or other companies are wrong about a Metaverse or things like that in the future, I'd just argue they're too early and not visionary enough to be leading the pack. Even the software companies behind VRChat I don't think they know wtf they are doing. In the animes, GBN (their gunpla metaverse) is a full on VR world and anything less than that would just be another transient disappointment
maybe I'll give the UC stuff a shot then, and probably rewatch 08th MS as well, to see if I'm letting it off too easy
I don't remember any explicit mention of newtypes though
I like 08th (mostly), but god no.
The one true quality gundam series is War in the Pocket.
It does "war bad" better in 6 episodes than every single other Gundam series manages in multiple times that length.
War in the Pocket is kino but I don't think it hits as hard without watching 079 prior. Preferably hours prior
Did you miss the gif of Shiro dodging a Zaku machine gun shell? UC stuff is basically universally good. That's it. Even 08th. Pretending that it somehow doesn't have all the newtype stuff because you like it, is dumb. Honestly, the only one that I'm whatever about is really ZZ. But that's mostly pacing and that the beginning is waaaay too long.
08th MS doesn't have any plot powers, the frick are you smoking?!
And?
You are an absolute moron who doesn't even know what "capeshit" even fricking is if you think anything in Gundam even resembles it, holy frick. Like the degree of ignorance is honestly fricking astounding. Did your parents keep you locked in a basement and feed you lead paint?
>reeee gundam isn't capeshit
>random asspull power up moments
>random asspull deus ex machina moments
>the heroes win the day
Yeah I'm thinking capeshit
>Gundam is low-quality capeshit
So you've literally only ever watched G Gundam.
Bing bong pling plong.
An utterly incomprehensible morning to you too.
in colored pajama fighting evil homosexuals
why would they be fighting?
I'd rather buy my miniatures from the inbred pricks from a freak filled island we probably should nuke than the inbred pricks from a freak filled island we've already nuked.
Let's be honest
>10 small rectangles
Vs
>an actual scale model for a reasonable price
More honest
>1 ridiculous chinese toy
vs
>10 cans of Monster Energy Ultra White
My mistake, you actually get 18 cans of Monster for the price of one Super Mecha Banzai Chairman Xi Valkyrie Gypsy Ranger Senpai Uguu Mk LXIX
If it is priced the same as 10 Rhinos.
>Warhammergay has never heard of gundam
Are you guys just massive normies or something? It's one of the biggest sci-fi series around. I had heard of both gundam and warhammer when I was younger. It just seems like you only shill for warhammer and nothing else while gundamchads check out other series like mazinger.
Looks like it's more just a kneejerk reaction to anime than anything.
>some random chinese toy
you almost got me you limey c**t
homie, dey all chinese!
True true
>Ten tiny tanks
vs
>One big robot
Big robot crushes tiny tank.
Therefore big robot is the better model to buy.
And they say tg is dead
Why so many capeshitters here? And why they all love GW????
Big crossover between GW piggies and capeshitter bugmen.
>tasteless consumer prostitutes
Are you really surprised?
Please stop telling everyone about gunpla prices, they've already jumped up so much
I miss pre-coof gunpla prices and availability
vs 2 kg of plastic
patrician choice
>Reject plastic
>embrace sips
why would I wanna put 2kg of plastic up my arse if I could just play a non-chink game?
yet ultimately your chinkshit will rot on shelves and no one will be able to find legiones imperialesbos anywhere in stores for months
no matter how much chinkshit plastic you can fit in a single box
Are you complaining that there's readily available stock instead of artificial scarcity and scalpers?
Except that "chinkshit" sells out immediately and is a thousand times higher quality than anything GW has ever produced, both in materials, design, and function.
GW makes shitty little static crap used for a poorly balanced wargame while Bandai makes high quality plastic (and sometimes metal with the higher grades of kit) model kits that not only look great but are more durable, better detailed, and actually posable.
Let's face it, Warhammer minis are just funko pops you have to paint yourself.
the amount of thought put into the gunpla's build is insane.
Hey, they put bottoms on the tanks.
GW kits are made for having fine details for painting while being sturdy enough for wargaming use. Bandai kits are made for being a faithful representation of anime robots including color separation and articulation. Bandai has a ridiculously effective plastic moulding factory, a much wider global market to divide the costs of new molds and a more reasonable profit structure. GW has a corner on a very niche market and knows how to hype up their upcoming releases to turn their sluggish production capacity into an increased demand due to initial scarcity of release.
GW's niche is that they own Warhammer. Wargaming miniatures, however, is not some niche market that is badly constrained in any way that justifies GW's business practices.
Shame their kits all have to be sub assembled to be painted properly these days and they just forget details sometimes.
You know, I checked the price and was astonished that GW was selling 10 Rhinos for 50$. What a great price! But then I noticed it was epic scale and wondered how GW got away with it once again. You can find metal 6mm tank minis for half the price of GW plastic.
"GW is small company, please understand!" is a lie you keep telling yourself to justify buying more GW plastic.
>GW
>fine details for painting
tell me you've never painted a plastic GW model without telling me you've never painted a plastic GW model. GW plastic models have nice thick bits that you can fill in like a colouring book, allowing them to keep using their relatively outdated injection moulding tech with the side effect of making painting easy for all skill levels
forge world models used to be really well sculpted with fine and crisp details (if you get one from the first few batches at least)
>10mm rhinos are multi-part
Frickin' embarrassing, 3D printing is the present and the future.
Sazabi all day everyday, but this isn't /m/, go back to your containment board
I cannot believe you morons are defending GW's ridiculous pricing. This board must be infiltrated by braindead contrarians or shills
You miss the point, even with GW's outrageous prices epic is greater value than asiatictrash. Because the maximum acceptable price for asiatictrash is in the negative (as in, they have to pay you for disposing of it).
The error here is wording the pricing complaint as a console-wars-esque "company vs. company" argument, which is naturally going to cause people to go on the defensive. If you would have just said "GW prices are too high", every single Warhammer fan (who operates in good faith) would agree.
Is there a confirmed Australian price? I need a good laugh.
unfortunately it got delayed until I think the coming weekend
>Warhammer
Has a Magic the Gathering card
>Gundam
Doesn't
Simple as
>dies to 4 squirrels
Wotc wishes it had the jobs if money to print Bandai IPs on their shitty artificial scarcity cards.
>moronic heavy cavalry instead of a bike
>at least they're stro-
>die to a peasant with a basic weapon
>Magic
>implying that's a positive thing
Of all the slander I've seen against GW, of all complaints and denouncements, this is the most damming.
Yes, Gundam is in fact the better IP.
That's because Gundam has better brand value than Magic.
Gundam will never have a magic card because bandai and hasbro are direct competitors, it would be a conflict of interest
GW is overpriced, but one of these is a display piece that isn't intended to be transported and handled, and one is a wargame miniature that is.
>GW shit
>designed to be transported and handled
HA HA HA
from the knees up I think this model is really cool, and I think the concept of the stilts is fine, but they really goofed that one
>designed to be transported and handled
don't forget their new carry case that has no padding at all
Kek. GW seems to have legitimately forgotten that they are supposed to be creating game pieces, not dust collectors.
Forge world says hi, minis that are overpriced AND fragile AND untransportable AND have constant quality issues
As if it took engineering effort to design a little plastic box rhino and copy paste it 10 times.
Fricking $5 little toy car for children is "designed to be transported and handled", is more expensive to produce since it has metal elements and design work since it's interior is modeled and doors open..
What in the living frick dude, no wargame company makes minis that are easy to transport. It honestly feels like they make their games as difficult to play on purpose.
>display piece that isn't intended to be transported and handled
gunpla is fully articulated and master grades have fully modeled moving inner frames
zero cement is needed so armour can be removed and parts can be disassembled as desired
it's even colour separated plastic so you don't have to paint it, which will inevitably rub off with handling
gunpla is definitely intended to be handled
Just say you want to play lego. That's what you're describing. Some people forget that there's the whole kitbashing and modelling aspect to the war gaming hobby that you don't get with gunpla. Your gundam kit can only build that gundam whereas you could convert those rhinos to several different factions.
About 4 decades worth of hobby magazines say you're moronic and full of shit.
So you're saying kit bashing and conversions don't exist? Just say you hate GW stuff because it's popular, that's what this thread is really about. It's cool to hate on the because they're the biggest game in town. You can just come out and say it, no need for thinly veiled hate threads.
No moron, I'm saying there's 4 decades worth of hobby magazines with fricking mecha kit bashing.
>just because it's popular
That's really funny for you to say when Gunpla moves more plastic than GW by a colossal margin
Man, if you knew how ridiculous what you wrote is you wouldn't have posted it.
Japanese department stores have entire floors dedicated to gunpla. They're usually packed from what I've seen too
>gunpla doesn't have kitbashing
>kitbashing - that you don't get with gunpla
lel
They made an entire anime about the gunpla kitbashing community.
an an isekai anime - with real sized mecha
>knight's
>'s
The knight's what?
the knight is and magic
>mecha autist wants to write about mecha
>but he knows the only thing that sells are harems and isekai
>makes an isekai harem with mecha
>except that the harem is pretty much vestigial as the protagonist has zero libido
>and the isekai part is mostly irrelevant as well
>so it's just a story about fantasy mecha
kek
He was pretty fun in SRW 30, basically just going nuts for mechs like a fan
>you could convert those rhinos to several different factions.
It's the same Rhino but different color.
>there's the whole kitbashing and modelling aspect to the war gaming hobby that you don't get with gunpla.
J E S U S !
F U C K !
you are literally a moron...
LITERALLY!!!
....
most GunPla builders who know what glue and putty is, and
who buy paint, have kitibashed at least one thing.
Even if they kitbash poorly, it's fokkin' everywhere.
Matchbox cars have moving parts and are a larger scale and a higher quality and come prepainted. They also cost about 1/9th the cost per model.
Anon, Gunpla are, fundamentally, toys. They are absolutely designed to be handled and most of them are made to be handled by kids even.
They are toys, but I guarantee that 90% of people building them are adults and that's the target audience.
HG models sure, but MG's like the from OP are often hand grenades with bits falling off and, joints getting loose if you move them around too much, pic fricking related. Their purpose is to put them on a shelf and change their pose once in a while.
>asiatic
>Chink
There is nothing that upsets me more than Black personhomosexuals using the wrong racist terms. Japanese are Nips, you fricking morons.
I'm not an expert on the myriad sorts of shit, forgive me, o mighty connoisseur of feces!
it's obviously bait you idiot, nobody honestly defends GW prices
>10 of the most iconic space marine vehicle from a really cool unique setting
>vs some big pile of weeaboo mecha anime slop that looks exactly the same as 2343084952 other shitty generic asian mecha
>some big pile of weeaboo mecha anime slop
I'll have what he's having!
>40kucked
>unique and cool
It's just generic edgeslop where everyone's a c**t and nobody can ever win because MUH CHAOS. It's poorly written slop that makes fricking iron-blooded orphans look well-written in comparison.
>both of these kits cost the same price
So what?
The intent is to highlight that the GW product is absurdly bad value, and to cut a long story short, people who buy GW products are severely moronic and shouldn't have human rights.
Though OP does a rather bad job of it since not that many Warhammer players do gunpla or vice versa.
>£25 box of minis vs a £100 Ver Ka
Sounds like an ameritard problem to me
Why would any actual scale modeller buy a gundam kit? The designs are so basic you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel.
You can ultimately scratch build everything. It's just a question of whether you have the time for it.
But the designs of Gundams make it easier than most things. This is an intentional part of their design. As for time that's why I add "actual scale modeller". Obviously there are plenty of people who simply couldn't make one/couldn't be bothered and that's fine.
If you include putty then it's absolutely possible. See any decent clay sculpture. But the stipulation of perfect grade is neither here nor there. I'm talking generally.
Yes and he's free to answer if he's about.
are you actually that stupid or is this a bit?
the obvious answer is that making things purely scratchbuilt from plasticard and putty is much more time and effort and sometimes you just want to build and maybe modify an existing kit without spending dozens of hours cutting up styrene.
No, Perfect grade is the grade. Even HG kits blow anything GW produces out of the water for around ~$15. You really don't understand that actual engineering goes into the designs, especially for everything above. First, you build the machine's fully articulated skeleton. Moving plates, pistons, springs, etc. Then you add armor plates that move with the motion of the body beneath. And that says nothing of all the extra features unique to the model. Go scratch build your own ass so you can frick yourself.
>you can make them out of sheets of plasticard, maybe some putty for the odd curved panel
I would love to see someone make a Perfect Grade RX78 with only sheets of plasticard and some putty.
You do know that the guy who made the model of your pic buys gundam kits, right?
Or even wood
Which shop please?
GHQ
I always wondered why Dandai never bothered making a Gunpla-based Tactics game it's not like they didn't sell OYW infantry units or had previously made tactics game beforehand
Bandai*
you don't need a game to sell your plastic crap if you have cartoons.
Because they're fricking morons when to comes to licensed anything.
Might have something to do with the popularity of wargames in japan? The scale of the smallest big-line gundam minis would require pretty big batttlefields and one thing japan lacks is space and time for group hobbies. its why TTRPGs in japan are mostly of the one-off variety or with very short campaigns.
I doubt most shops or homes would have the space to store terrain, minis and tablespace for the game, or atleast be able to rationalise such a decision.
Also bandai kinda dum sometimes. However there is a fanmade one and ive read the PDFs, its very well done it seems. It does come with a downside you need to put your gundams on bases and probably even glue pieces in a single pose since a lot of gunpla is very fragile on handling because you are meant to pose it and forget it.
I'm not disagreeing with whatever point you're trying to make here, but without context, this is totally meaningless. You're banking on every given viewer of this thread being familiar with both of the models in question, and knowing what's inside both kits.
>being on /tg/ in 2023 and not knowing what a Rhino or a Gundam is
And the models are literally on the cover of the boxes you fricking moron.
Why the frick would browsing /tg/ make me familiar with Gundam?
Its stuff like this that makes me never want to touch games workshop shit. Its overpriced and significantly worse quality than random ass Japanese Model kits even stuff outside of Gundam stuff where the budget is way smaller still out does everything games workshop does. They feel 3 decades out of date the fact they still need glue to make their kits work is laughable, most chinese bootlegs don't even need glue now.
What's that 40kid? I can't hear you over the sorcery used to make the Real Grade Inner Frames.
To be fair, while slip molding is a neat trick, they have since backed away from that gimmick as the RG joints they used this on became very loose over time. New RG kits will only have a random part or two like this instead of the whole inner frame.
OP's pic doesn't really scale with how fricking big the MG Sazabi is and how much fricking plastic it has.
Needs a pack of Cigs for scale!
That crazy Korean Dalong has your back famalamadingdong.
>That crazy Korean Dalong has your back famalamadingdong.
That IS the joke.
I really want one and a MG Nu Gundam to match but I already have the RG of both. Good lord,
Get the MG Hi Nu ver Ka (the original is kinda shitty) and the RE/100 Nightingale if you want something in same vein.
I have the RG Hi Nu too
how cone they are using 30k minis to advertise epic scale stuff.
My fricking sides, blatant false advertising
Have you not been paying attention? The new epic is 30k only, marines and solar auxilia are the only armies.
jfc you gotta be moronic
he means that it's false advertising to use a photograph of the regular-size 30k rhino kit to advertise the tiny epic rhinos
makes sense
a mobile suit is worth atleast 10 tanks
Well, duh, toys and hobby kits are not about how big a chunk of plastic you're getting but what is made of it and if you have personal attachemnt to that particular brand or franchise.
Majority of gunpla and model kits are generally priced very fairly for what you get, the complexity of the manufacturing and shipping, and the overall quality. Only time you'll end up overpaying is when a kit is getting scalped due to being out of production.
Meanwhile, GW just outright overcharges on every conceivable metric, insists that they HAVE TO overcharge, and their quality only gets worse. The price is high because they want it to be and because they have enough paypigs who will gladly overpay and then brag about how happy they are they get to waste their money.
Is there a good bootleg gundam market?
I was honestly amazed by the quality and engineering that goes into gunpla, not to mention the size.
If Bandai made the Titans for Warhammer, they'd literally be less expensive than a box of Primaris marines - and they'd have better quality.
Okay, now look up how much IWM miniatures for battletech cost since that's actually a similar product that they're competing with.
I love Gunpla but the P-Bandai distribution model is some real bullshit
The Gundam kit only needs clippers and files for a complete product. For a GW product you also need to add in the cost of paint and brushes. Gunpla wins yet again.
GWs product has infinitely more value because you can use them for gaming giving you thousands of hours of fun, with gunpla you're done in a couple of hours of entertainment.
Sorry but it's the truth.
This hypothetical isn't worth the price disparity in the slightest. Common GW shill L.
Building a Sazabi takes like two hours, you then put it on your self and thats it.
Money gone, entertainment gone.
Just a single game of 40k gets you that much entertainment and is a million times more fun.
>my ego is entwined with my hobby. Yay my team, boo your team. Ooga-booga bix nood.
Just saying it like it is.
Sorry facts and logic trigger you that much.
No, you're paying for products not raw materials you moron.
And one product providers thousands of hours of entertainment, the other is just displayed on a shelf after you build it.
You could build 50 gundam dioramas it still takes less skill, effort and time than building a 2k points 40k army.
Yeah a ball has great value, what's your point?
You can't even pose your gundam without it falling apart.
fyi: I've built and painted several RG gunpla kits, I have nothing against the hobby but saying its better value than 40k is just moronic
>frog poster
>ESL
Opinion discarded.
I accept your concession.
A box of marines is the same prices as a RG kit, but you'll play with your marines for decades, the gunpla kit goes on the shelf the same day you unbox it never to be touched again.
>I barely even know what a gundam is
Opinion discarded.
>but you'll play with your marines for decades
Not if they get deleted from the codex :^)
Name one example and cite one official rule where you cannot use your models in games.
You cannot play zoats in a tyranids army anymore or play original squats at all. You have to use them as proxies at best and at that point I may as well just proxy my gunpla.
Models have to be at least/all GW parts.
Models have to use latest bases (I ain't rebasing my fricking naughts and termies, frick GW)
I don't pay for products for a vague notion of entertainment. You were btfo'd by the anon pointing out a rubber ball is more value than a Warhammer army by this metric and can't stop coping.
How was I BTFO'd by that, he literally proved my point.
A ball is better value than a 40k army, but a box of marines has thousands of times more value than the most expensive, best engineered gunpla kit.
Ball wins every time so idk why you're playing Warhammer then. Clearly the ball is better value by your own metrics.
Could it possibly be that there's more to value than your personal opinion?
I don't choose what to play based on its value, I'm just proving to you 40k models are better value than gunpla kits.
And yeah I still play football from time to time.
You're making a claim that Warhammer has more value because of the entertainment and longevity factor. But the rubber ball proves that isn't some innate factor of pricing because there's no material cost of "entertainment". You're delusional.
>A box of marines is the same prices as a RG kit, but you'll play with your marines for decades,
You will play with a rubber ball for decades. Rubber ball provides more value than an entire 40k army. Rubber balls should cost $1000+ dollars confirmed :^)
But you choose what to PAY based on the value and 40k models are insanely overpriced for what is in the box. That's the entire point.
A ball having better value than a 40k army doesn't disprove a box of 40k models having better value than a same priced gunpla kit tho.
We're not talking about raw materials value but product value.
If you care so much about plastic, just buy a slab for $100, you'll be set for life.
I can woosh my gunpla through the air, which makes me giggle and clap my feet together. Basic supply and demand proves my value is superior.
I'm trying to understand what you're saying but all I read is "oink oink". Is that pigspeak for you coping?
Ah okay, so you're a poorgay, this explain why you're so adamant about this.
kek keep seething
I actually own loads of warhammer, I just hate all of it.
Funny how you only seem to respond to half the posts calling you out on your bullshit. Could it be cope, paypiggy? Post paystub, prove you aren't poor.
No, he's just smart with his money.
Why do you think a rubber ball doesn't cost 10 000 dollars if it provides better value than an entire 40k army?
>I have nothing against the hobby but saying its better value than 40k is just moronic
You're either huffing some strong copium or just shitposting at this point.
If you compare box of 1/100 gundam vs box of 5 assault marines - gundam box has imore value by any objective metric. More material, better engineering, even assembly is designed to be fun. 5 assault marines are just 2 sprues punched straight out of a machine, there's no thought put into assembly and barely any thought put into customization or posability.
The "value" you derive from game is not only subjective but also incomparable as it's not directly tied to the box of 5 dudes. Someone can have more fun posing or recreating scenes from the show than playing the game.
>you can have 10,000 hours of fun posing your robot
Brother the joints give out after 30 reposes.
Source? Warhammer minis snap all the time too so idk what point you're trying to make.
Holy shit what is with anons on this board having moron strength gorilla grip? It seems like every third thread I dip into has some anon crying about they accidentally crush their minis into a fine powder just trying to paint the damn things.
>Just saying it like it is.
>Sorry facts and logic trigger you that much.
I barely even know what a gundam is, and have two 40k armies myself*. You're sounding like a 'tard.
*definitely value my all-metal Dark Ages historicals more, though
I'm paying for plastic not a vague notion of hypothetical "entertainment"
>he doesn't paint his gunplay or make it into a diorama
pathetic
I can throw my ball against a wall for free, for an infinite amount of time.
Million times more entertaniment than breaking my back bending over a table with a bunch of sweaty, smelly autists.
>he doesn't pose his gunpla into amusing dioramas
>2 hours
Obvious moron is obvious
I’ve been working on the same master grade for like 2 weeks. Between snipping (properly, not just yoinking it straight from the sprue) sanding, painting (this includes primers, pre-shading, etc) and decals, a single kit takes well more than 2 hours, especially for functional adults with full time jobs, and double especially if you’re married.
Your desire to justify your hatred for something should not lead you to being uninformed and disingenuous
No wonder GW keeps adding more blacks to their ranges, all their fans are dumb fricking Black folk.
Playing warhammer is negative value. It actually devalues the kit. Saying "this can also be used to play warhammer" is like saying "this can also be rammed down your dickhole".
>you can't paint your gunpla
>you can't build a diorama with gunpla
>you can't kitbash gunpla
Are people really this moronic or am I getting baited?
It's bait anon. Nobody who's spent more than an hour even adjacent to the gunpla community would think you can't paint or kitbash them. I'm not even into Gundam and I know that.
Bandai's pricing seems to be based on production and quantity of material/used to produce such a product along with complication of assembly of said product.
GW just knows it's paypiggies/scalpers will pay top dollar so they make paypiggies/scalpers pay the lore-tax.
What also sucks is that GW's pricing makes other miniature wargaming toy companies follow suite in being "cheap" but only cheap when compared to GW which isn't very cheap.
Also worth noting that not only has the overall quality of bandai's model kits gotten better, but the complexity, detail, and overall level of engineering has improved, on top of offering a wider variety of models, model types, etc.
GWs pricing is expensive for the same reason a book ended up costing 15 million on amazon
>Get 3d Printer.
>Print better models.
>Or unauthorized 40k sculpts I guess if you really want.
>Print any plastic you want for a fraction of the price.
I've played one match of 40k in the past 23 years and I didn't care for it, I just get shocked at the price of the damned plastic models. I do have some random resin models I've bought or sculpted and then printed and painted though. That's fun. I mostly play TTRPGs. SW Legion has some fun models though, and I bought some fan sculpts I can print out and use next time I run a Star Wars RPG.
You'd think that all the people paypigging for GW must really, really enjoy the game or that it's a really fun game to play that is masterfully designed and deserving of the financial hurdles GW puts up around it, but damn it's really not. It wouldn't be worth it at half the price, and it's barely worth paying when you're only 3d printing things for pennies.
I get your point, but frick, this mecha looks awful.
Sazabi is the height of beauty. I don't care for katoki's take though.
>Badguy
>Red
>Big sword-like gun
>Big sword-like shield
>Big fukkin robot feet
Looks 10/10 to me. Idk, maybe you want something else from gundam, but this is exactly what I want from gundam.
>what I want from gundam
I really dislike gundam, so the comparison is irrelevant for me.
But the GW legion imperialis game is objectively a scam.
>objectively a scam
It's massively overpriced and shit, but not a scam.
whats the point of gundams tho what do they do
Its mainly about building them and then having a nice fig you can pose. The fun is in building them and if your inspired, painting and kitbashing them, too. You can do a lot to take even a basic kit into an awesome looking one but at the end of the day, its like those new modern lego sets. There's even flower pot lego sets.
No one in this thread has apparently built a Master Grade because theyre one of the most satisfying and lovingly made kits out there. The details are incredible, but I doubt OPs taste using a Ver.Ka one.
Gunla kits blow the shit out of GW's monopose kits who are increasingly of poor designs that looks like the next generation of creatives they hire all have rejected B tier Xbox 360 games on their portfolio. GW's new stuff is overdesigned and betrayed the retroscifi grit that actually made a space marine look cool.
And Gunpla are produced in Japan, not China. The quality is nice. Maybe Bandai needs to enter into the tabletop market finally. I could see a gundam wargame being pretty decent. And no one should be defending GW's price or pretending anyone will be playing the new Epic a year from now. Anons in this thread really do fall for every hype cycle.
>1/144 scale gundam wargame
Here's your 1/144 model bro.
And im buying neither.
I watched all of Victory Gundam and wish I hadn't. It wasn't bad, but very fricked up.
40k is shit and ridiculously overpriced.
That said
Call me when gundam delivers a message that isn't "WAR BAD". I'm tired of hearing WAR BAD.
I already know WAR BAD, it's bloody obvious and I wish the japs would stop constantly saying it.
I don't like GW but I believe you are comparing a Made in the UK product with Gunpla that was made in China.
Wonder where this cope came from when the vast majority of gunpla is made in Japan and Bamco has been building more factories in Japan.
GW products like books and packaging and some terrain sets were manufactured in China until relatively recently, does that mean they are/were Chinese?
Why don't you watch Angel Cop where they tell you israelites bad then?