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>Brood War is a balanced ga-
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Use valks
>slow
>need half a group to counter heavy muta
2 volleys makes your flock Swiss cheese
You need like 2 if you micro them properly. Or literally 1 science vessel
Probes btfo Drones by a wide margin, and vultures are at least as good as lings
I prefer Drones simply because they have more effective HP than probes when harassed due to how regen works.
>more effective HP
Theoretically it's true, but protoss shields regenerate much faster than zerg unit's hp. That's why it's so difficult to kill scouting probes in your base. Probes also don't need to be sacrificed in order to make buildings, can proxy cannons/gates anywhere, and can build an entire base by themselves. They also mine faster than both SCVs and Drones.
Skill Issue.
>just make a unit that costs more and takes longer to tech up to then mutas to counter mutas
>a unit that only beats mutas, while mutas beat everything
That or have a little more than half the APM of the zerg and actually use your fucking marines instead of letting them get sniped single file.
Literally impossible, remaster made the latency between games better and ever since muta micro has exploded in power. Its build valks or its ggif the dude is a known muta spammer
Best worker unit
>Drone
Best ground melee unit
>Zergling
Best air unit
>Mutalisk
What did Blizzard Entertainment mean by this?
It's funny because the game would be completely broken if it wasn't for the maps being setup to allow for wall-ins. This in turn forces the terran/protoss players to play defensively for much of the match while they build up their forces. I like it, very asymmetric game design.
YOU VILL PLAY ZE BUGS
YOU VILL BE HAPPY
it's funny when you think that BW introduced three air units specifically designed to deal with mutas.
They're trying to get people ready to sex the aliens when they inevitably arrive
I would.
How could I forget
By far the strongest caster in the game
>Defiler
Zerg in both SC2 BW is the most broken shit. If you look at winners, they are always mostly zergs.
It took literal god (aka Flash) to win games on terran vs average zerg players.
>Zerg in WoL
>Zerg in WoL season 1 gsl
I know what you mean, but come on.
Wow, one single patch.
The game is judged by it's end, not by it's beginning.
We judge Starcraft by Broodwar, not by first stracraft.
So you shouldn't judge SC2 by WoL either.
Bitch, Terran was still king in HoTs. It hasn't been until LotV that zerg became consistent.
Fuck you, you don't make the rules.
>j-just ignore years of the competitive scene
No, I won't.
But no one gave a FUCK about SC2 after the first one
Still can't believe Jinro said the n-word live on stream.
Idra deserved it for ragequitting
zerg won season 1 gsl. It was kino.
Terran won 7 out of 13 ASL seasons (though 4 of those were Flash).
And the other ones were who? Boxer? My point still stands
The other were 3 different players (Light, Last and Royal). If you look at MSL victories, the most were Terran as well (12 Terran, 10 Zerg, 4 Protoss). If you look at OSL again, had mostly Terran winners (14 Terran, 10 Zerg, 10 Protoss).
Nada, Flash, Boxer and iloveoov were too fucking good.
One race was always going to have better win percentage than others because it's next to impossible to have a clean 33.33%/33.33%/33.33% division of skill among the three races. Zerg ended up having the most good players guess the race is OP now, let's not talk about how the latest finals were TvT and only one zerg made it into semis at all.
>doesn't metion map pool at all
>expects to be taken seriously
>always mostly
#justweekendposts
You WILL play the bugs
starcraft ghost when"???
Funny how 99.9% of both Terran and Protoss players rank Zergling, Mutalisk, and Defiler as the strongest units in the game.
Funny when Terran has the fastest unit in the game that 2 shots workers and gets 3 free mini nukes while only costing 75 minerals and 0 gas.
3 shots against drones 🙂
>terran player in denial how OP his race is
kys artosis
Terran has three good units
Marine, Vulture, Siege Tank
Zerg has Lings, Defiler, Larva, Eggs, Lurkers, Defilers, Mutas, Guardian, Overlord, Devourer
Its pretty obvious to me which is better
>No Science Vessel
>Guardian
huh
>Devourer
botho of those are extremely niche, I haven't seen a devourer used in a promatch in like 3 years
>Larva
>Egg
>Overlord
now you're just taking the piss
>
Meant to write Scourge, not Devourer. Must've had a stroke while going full retard with the egg & larva haha
Irradiate one, enjoy your deathball.
>Replace the Zerg Queen model with a cute infected Terran girl. This will entice Zerg players to try new strategies utilizing Queens.
>Add Diamondbacks from SC2 to Terran
>Give them an air attack upgrade in the machine shop requires an armory same costs/time as siege mode
>Give Scouts Seeker Missiles from Starcraft 2 baseline does not require research
With these balance changes I think Brood War would be a much better game.
>scout seeker missile
The lore could be that the Terrans reverse engineered it after the events of Brood War.
>Infected terran girl
>Spawn broodlings
Uhhh
>Infest command center
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>Flying
Uhhh
>Parasite
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Where are they coming from?
Doesn't Kerrigan have spawn broodlings in SC1? Same place as her. Flying = wing zerg mutation.
I always wondered where did they get the larvae for broodlings. Overmind is a sick fuck.
Zerg Queen is already cute.
>Brood War is ba-
>People upset at a 20+ year meta
It's a solved game. Zerg has always been the best race. All of the cheesy shit the pros did was eventually countered.
>Zerg has always been the best race
the best starcraft player in the world mains terran
Flash is a freak anomaly. Literally 1 in 10 billion. Try taking what he does to ladder. It doesn't work.
>Wins 3 Starleagues vs the best Korean players, including the best Zerg and the best Protoss. In a row. 3 Starleagues in a row
>They start sabotaging him so fucking hard by making maps so dog shit for Terran so he won't win again, which results in every other Terran getting BTFO
>One of the maps literally had 0% winrate for Terran in TvZ. He somehow wins another Starleague a few seasons afterwards, so they sabotage maps again
>He says fuck it, swaps to random, beats the 2nd best Terran in the world 3-0, once with every race, gets top 4 on his first try with random
>They panic and make him go to the military
I want him to come back and win ASL with Random so fucking bad.
>They panic and make him go to the military
kek that would be fucking hilarious if that were the reason they put him in the military.
personally my favorite player is larva but credit where credit is due that guy is fucking unbeatable.
ACTIVATE THE HIDDEN SHOULDER BOMB
WE NEED BALANCE TO COME BACK
https://www.youtube.com/live/Abq7gWLc2gU?feature=share&t=2458
This has got to be one of the most insane moments in the history of this 25 year old game. I shat my pants and pissed and came when I saw the match on youtube.
One of the really impressive things about Flash's play is that in plenty of games he'll deploy a strategy that's entirely expected, but executes so well that it crushes anyway. He did that a bunch of times during his random run. He makes other players look like they're in the wrong tournament.
I hate to sound like I'm wanking him but he's really fucking good, what else is there to say.
I wish tasteless wasnt fat now.
I remember in the GomTV days he did a shout out to Ganker that was pretty sweet.
Just asking... what's with the blue mutating pod things around the map? They're the same colour as flash but even when he's playing Terran. What gives?
They're just neutral eggs used to block off portions of the map temporarily
The colour is just a coincidence
They exist to prevent terrans or protoss from walling zergs in their main base
Is that peasant thinking or a good idea? Sounds pez
I didn't look at the map linked where they are used just as potential pathway that you have to destroy to use for non-worker units.
But typically they are used at the bottom of ramps or choke points to the main base so that zergs can't be walled into their main base because that's too strong against zerg.
I miss larva
He's out of the military now, hopefully he participates in the next ASL.
why is artosis such a fag?
You don't play terran.
You wouldn't understand.
He is probably overreacting most of the times because his audience likes it
to be fair, he does run into literal cheaters all the time
Yeah it's weird how anyone better than him is a cheater. An extraordinary coincidence.
>Yeah it's weird how anyone better than him is a cheater. An extraordinary coincidence.
kek
but nah, this is what i was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apDpdJdMgxA
With godlike micro you can increase gold per second by an absolute ton compared to automatic mining. He's just a gosu gamer.
>>They panic and make him go to the military
kek'd
First I'm hearing of this shit and I love it. Do you have any nice sources so I can read further?
You can read about ASL and which player won which season here, but it's a spoiler in case you'd like to watch ASL yourself:
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/AfreecaTV_StarCraft_League_Remastered
For the map sabotage, a lot of Korean pros talked about it, how they map maps more and more difficult for Terran to handicap Flash.
The map with 0% winrate for Terran in TvZ was Sparke, and island map (which is usually shit for Zerg) that was modified to give Zerg a free 3rd Gas.
For beating Rush 3-0 in a Best of 5, once with each race, you can see it here:
Terran has unlimited potential but most humans are mechanically/mentally incapable of achieving it.
>It's a solved game
Literally wrong. Also terran is the strongest race, but zerg has the highest skill cap (would be the best if you could go beyond human limits).
finally an intelligent reply in this thread
the meta is constantly changing even 20 years later depending on ladder map rotations. its why people still play this shit to this day.
one things for sure though is that terran and protoss players are retards who will forever be ass blasted about zerg.
Silence, Terrancuck.
>hydralisk + dark swarm
Gotta pop those 1HP Science vessels for that wonderful sound they make upon death
My favorite map
We need destination back in ASL. Along with skull desert of course.
>Also terran is the strongest race
Holy wrong, there's a legit argument in this game that there's really no strongest race, in part because of the map design
>the most powerful enemy
When does it get nerfed?
damn, that might explain raynor being a gay and that SW2 ending
mutas arent even used outside of zvz retard
Build turrets at your main mineral line, your natural mineral line and your production
Keep your first ball of medic + marine out on the map, threatening the zerg base, even if you never attack it. This is so the zerg can't fully commit to the harass because they know you have M&M out on the map threatening their natural. Hopefully by the time they've wittled down that first or second ball of M&M you can get your first science vessel out and irradiate the entire stack of mutas.
tl;dr: turret up, apply pressure to zerg to force mutas back. You will lose a lot of marines, it does not matter. Just survive until vessels.
>implying any good zerg players use mutas in zvt or zvp
Muta is a pretty standard opening vs T depending on the map.
Turrets are dogshit and mm is dogshit without medic energy and marine upgrades.
>zvt
like 90% of pro matches will have mutas showing up. you cant play the matchup at high levels without being a muta god
>pvz
occasionally used to overwhelm corsairs if a few get picked off, or to pick off workers if the toss didn't build cannons in their main, and especially to pick off templars.
I'm looking for this Artosis match where he goes marine medic + turrets and still loses to a well microed muta ball.
Implying that didnt happen at least 5000 times.
>Protoss getting BTFO in ASL by Terrans repeatedly
What's his narrative going to be after it?
>pro games =/= ladder
which is true in and of itself, however, rt refuses to learn/improve so he will continue to rage/cope for the joy of many of his viewers
>Macro to DA
>MC a drone
>Build the superior zerg units
How come no protoss pros do this?
You'll die before you'll manage to do it.
What if you protect your base by blocking it off with stasis crystals? They wouldn't be able to get in. It's the perfect strat.
zerg will have 6 bases by the time you do that so it won't matter
>blocking it off with stasis crystals
I have a vague recollection of some retarded argument involving this, I feel like it was years ago. That I remember obscure references to terrible discussions on old games from shitty image boards proves that I need to get off this shithole.
>zerg is braindead shit for retarded players
damn
Terran has both the lowest skill floor and the highest skill ceiling. Zerg players are midwits.
brood war actually was fairly poorly balanced.
korean map makers had to design maps specifically around the races imbalances to make it competitive
The gameplay aspect of Brood War is so extensive that the units you use matter less compared to who is controlling them.
100% true, and that makes it fukken sweet.
idc what strats humans are using. what are the best AIs doing????
they win vs marine but not 100% and cost a lot more gas. they then get destroyed by a single science vessel.
I fucking hate this meme of "le multiplayer games shouldn't be balanced lol xDDD"
It killed fighting games
You've never gotten past bronze rank in fighting games or rts
Schizo shit, not sure who you're talking about considering I'm far better than you at both genres
Easily countered with valkyries or just your basic bitch missile turret.
>or just your basic bitch missile turret
You've never used turrets, have you?
yeah ok but where's the lobby?
how far back in the korean scene should i watch? i've seen the past 2years of ASL and was wondering how good previous seasons were.
>how far back in the korean scene should i watch?
Back to 2001.
Jokes aside the old, pre-Starcraft 2 era is worth watching if you can handle potato quality VODs.
As far as the newer, post-Remastered era, it's all worth watching though maybe the first season wasn't as good because players weren't back in shape yet. Between ASL, KSL, KCM, etc there's a lot of stuff to watch.
Like 2002 to 2012 (the end of old BW). This game has an incredible history.
>playing multiplayer in RTS
retard
>being bad at video games
retard
>playing video games
retard
>contemplated getting good at starcraft
>the entire soul and vibe of the scene is gone
It's just not the same...
>"oh god i miss when early sc2 had soul and the players were the real deal"
>go find old vods from early WoL
>mfw the entire pro scene played like shit and would get stomped by a plat player today
sometimes it's best not to revisit memories
>assumed the sc scene would be bant city
>its literally illegal to message ingame
what the fuck
Brood War has a lot of manner and bad manner, especially from Koreans, this despite having an older playerbase. Professional matches are different because it was televised and I guess it was necessary to keep it professional, they got very autistic about the rules sometimes too.
*banter and bad manner
It's different, people dunk on eachother with their gameplay instead of their words.
Telling someone you'd fuck their mom? Eh aight. Actually fucking their mom in front of them? Now that's some bants.
I just want to go back to the color schemes of SC1
Now do arbiter recall into a Terran base. Literally uncounterable as Terran.
So is 15 carriers. Don't let him recall into your base, headass.
Brainlet here how the fuck a map can trash on Zerg or Terran or Protoss?
They look the same to me.
Well the races are different, so they have different units, and some units do better on certain types of terrain. More of that terrain = better for that race.
Zerg with their lurkers, for instance, quite like choke points.
Distance from main to other bases, ramp sizes, bridges, high ground, location and number of mineral patches and gas, buildable terrain outside of bases, etc. all impact how a match is played.
Random intermediary cliffs are the most obvious example to fuck over Terran. The moment you do this, mech becomes impossible because of random unexpected ambushes and the fact that carriers/mutas now have free reign over the map, able to safely run in, do some damage and fuck off to where the goliaths and marines can't reach them. It makes it impossible for the Terran to take map control even if they have units all over the map.
I remember Artosis talking about map imbalance when his chat asked him how to make a good map for Terran, and he actually took the time to talk about it rationally and explained that they had Terran favored maps but it fucks up PvZ on those maps.
Map making for Broodwar is a fascinating subject with how hard they are to balance and how the different maps kept the game alive for 20 years.
They need to make Koreans more autistic so that they will train for dozens of maps in a single tournament, thus allowing for different maps in different matchups without breaking interrace balancing.
Do I seriously have to watch Day9s 20 video BW series before playing this videogame?
He made it after the game came out and had players so what do you think?
Just play the video game my dude. Most players suck ass.
Anyone who never watched should def check klazartsc's casts from back in the day. Dogshit, casio calculator video quality, worst-microphone-in-the-world-tier audio, wpm rivaling pro's apm, lots of soul and passion.
>Zerg is literally unplayable against terran muh tier 3 terran air units are unbeatable
Really?
Scourge AI is worse than Dragoons
The only unit that actually has bad AI that can't be overcome with proper micro is the Medic.
Actually the most retarded unit in the game.
>also a woman
uh bros what the FUCK did blizzard mean by this
*builds in range of the enemy dragoon instead of behind your wall*
Nothing personnel
>manually targets the SCV
>problem solved
Meanwhile the medic
>marines stim
>the medics run around in circles
>marines return to base
>the medics decide to head to the other corner of the map for no reason
>watching your scourge slow down before reaching the target for no fucking reason
>enemy just turns around and shoots them
Zerg players have the highest APM because managing the zerg army is like herding 200 cats.
>want to play zerg
>zerg are op
>want to play protoss
>protoss are easy and op
>want to play terran
>terran are op because turtles marines lol
well what the fuck, are you all just shitposting
World of Starcraft when?
Got canceled so Blizzard could focus on their mobile games and Diablo 4.
Now that will be 70$ + 15$ battlepass + 20$ for cosmetics + tax
the battlepass is only cosmetic
Who fucking gives a shit? I'm already paying $70 why the hell are you locking even more of the game behind payments you goddamn piece of shit protoss player?
>NOOOO NOT THIS HECKIN' COSMETIC HOW CAN I PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT IT?!?!?!?!?
Jesus Christ you're pathetic
Who are you quoting?
I accept your concession.
Huh? Concussive damage sucks in Brood War. Why would you accept that?
>defending garden gnomery
fuck that, i just want a planetside 2 game but starcraft themed and it's terran vs zerg vs protoss instead of human(blue) vs human(red) vs human(purple)
It exists as a SC2 custom map. The concept is cool (switch between sailing a hugeass ship and doing a mission planetside), but the gameplay is just okay.
how are south koreans so much better than everyone else at online strategy games? higher average IQ?
Asian perfectionism autism + good internet
autism and internet cafes
They are also better at tekken
Tekken is kusoge where the devs charge you for fucking framedata lmao
*Blocks your path*
god bless turkiye
But they are not? The best starcraft players are not morons, the best WC3 player is not a moron and the suck at every other game.
A lot of it has to deal with SC being essentially a professional sport over in SK. There's a strong incentive to do well in it because it can lead to relatively larger sponsorships and prizes then elsewhere.
playing for 18 hours a day under slavelike conditions also helps
every meta has a counter meta its a reason its been played for so long and barely patched
Very dead game, even in Korea. Put this in Ganker.
what are they playing now?
Warcraft Arclight Rumble
>40k active players per day
sure they are mostly in korea but thats far from a dead game. Would be in the top 50 on steam
Which of these two units has higher DPS?
Zergling or Battlecruiser?
Marine with Stimpack or Hydralisk?
Since Terran is so overpowered it should be easy to figure this out.
mi pollo cuando yo mirar a Nova
Lol at 7k minerals and no units
The white man plays Terran
The Koreans play zerg because they relate more with the bugs.
**skill issue :^)**
Yes it is. Go back to Tekken you fucking noob.
I also made a webm of this clip but never posted it haha
post it now!
It'd be a bit redundant at this point don't ya think?
I want to see where you cut the clip. Also I tought about making one with subtitles
Realistically, if Flash comes back from the military and wins ASL with Random, is there anything else for him to achieve?
What do you think he was doing in the military anon? North Korea awaits.......
Mario and Luigi erotica incoming
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