The fact that it might be on par means that it is. Deck is already showing its age with Legion Go and Ally sequels being developed. The Switch 2 is going to look like an absolute dinosaur compared to umpcs just around the corner.
That just means it's still weaker but maybe if a game is optimized well enough it won't be as noticeable how weak it is. Devs could optimize for the deck as well if they wanted. All comes down to sales and how hard they try or if they care.
The same was said of the switch itself, and only Mario Odyssey and Dragon Quest bothered to put in the effort of bespoke optimization. Everyone else just decided 18fps was fine.
>Performance might be on par or better due to optimisations tailored to its specifications
Wanna bet that still won't be able to run Breath of the wild above 30 fps? and yes I said Breath of the Wild and not Tears of the Kingdom
Because you're a liar. Both cemu, ryujinx, and yuzu do the same hardcoded fix of limiting the framerate in problem areas. If you're gonna attempt to btfo tendies at least be honest mongrel
Not to mention, that's just portable mode. Docked mode will be 2x more powerful that that. And that still doesn't take DLSS into account.
All of that's in a slimmer, cheaper, lasting longer on battery package.
You are aware that handheld mode for the switch is just it neutering itself to save battery life, right, it doesn't get any power the dock is just a port hub. If you think nintendo is going to be putting any actual power in the dock there's not a chance in hell of that happening, it would cost way too much.
More to the point it would frick with switching because now you're going to need to power cycle it so it isn't using this extra shit. It's the same reason they won't be adding storage themselves.
It's supposed to be seamless plug and play. Requiring people frick with it means less people want it.
More to the point it would frick with switching because now you're going to need to power cycle it so it isn't using this extra shit. It's the same reason they won't be adding storage themselves.
It's supposed to be seamless plug and play. Requiring people frick with it means less people want it.
You got it ass backwards.
It will be 3TF docked, clocked down to 1.5TF when portable (on par with Deck).
That's the entire point of it being a hybrid, unlike Deck which is just a handheld.
Actually it'll be 15 gigahomies clocked up to 5700 galacticnuggas when they introduce the super dock with every purchase for free. The deck, with its ability to just customize the settings whenever you want instead of it being forced on you, will not compete with switch2's dock made of solid black diamond.
>That's the entire point of it being a hybrid, unlike Deck which is just a handheld.
The Deck can be plugged into a TV or monitor you dumb fricking tendie.
There is an official dock from Valve as well.
It always amuses me how when a console or console peripheral gets a basic feature from pc that everyone takes for granted, it makes a huge fuss about it and the mindless tech illiterate masses fall for it in droves.
>You are aware that handheld mode for the switch is just it neutering itself to save battery life, right, it doesn't get any power the dock is just a port hub.
Yeah that's what makes it a hybrid. It operates on two levels without the need of external peripherals other than an hdmi for TV display.
Games will be developed down to the lowest capability. Because it needs to run portably. Then extra amount of "power" it gets from the dock will just give you better frame rate and resolution.
But everything else will have to be developed down to the portable specs.
>will just give you better frame rate and resolution
You mean just resolution. Resolution kills frame rate.
It's why you hear so many morons complain about FPS in shit like BotW and TotK. They're playing docked while handheld has almost none of the problems they mention unless you go out of your way to cause it because it's not upping resolution.
Yes, if you surround yourself with enemies and light everything on fire it slows to a crawl but there's a reason everything is relatively spaced out. You're not intended to have much shit on the screen at once, let alone at higher resolutions.
Hilarious if true.
Given the massive strides in ARM chips recently, Nintendo is fricking kidding themselves if they think releasing with anything less than those new hyped up Qualcomm chips is viable.
Per-console optimizations are an out of date concept and largely originate from the period where consoles had meaningfully different architecture.
Modern consoles are average x86 PCs with a different API. I guess the Switch is instead an average ARM tablet with a slightly different API, but still.
How do grown men defend Nintendo. Like I get it I had nes, super Nintendo and Gameboy and my son and I played switch when he was little but wtf is this shit it's not even nostalgia is Manchin syndrome. My son is 13 and he dropped Nintendo years ago. You guys are all a bunch of Michael Jackson's whose childhood was stripped away so you became e-girl posting pedofiles. It's truly pathetic somebody prove me wrong.
You don't even understand how to argue. Your entire base of support is homosexuals who open their mouth with excitement for pictures. It's an embarrassing community to be a part of as an adult just like this place is but for different reasons.
I can tell with 100% certainty you've never been in a fist fight if you are a Nintendo fan boy. That's my point. I majored in political science like a complete fricking moron because I was completely blinded by Ron Paul. When people like you say strawman or ad hominem you just come across as some pseudointellectual homosexual that thinks winning is using buzzwords.
The Switch was, and is, an absolutely dogshit console and an offensively cheap piece of garbage that is uncomfortable to play, had to get a class action to fix their controllers and has slightly less power than an Xbox 360.
And yet it sold incredibly well. The paypig public very clearly is happy to buy low quality slop, so Nintendo logically should continue to fill their trough with garbage.
buh buh buh but you can take it with you!! You just have to carry around this lump of flimsy plastic all day so you can play it on the bus or train for what is probably less than 30 minutes.
The Switch was, and is, an absolutely dogshit console and an offensively cheap piece of garbage that is uncomfortable to play, had to get a class action to fix their controllers and has slightly less power than an Xbox 360.
And yet it sold incredibly well. The paypig public very clearly is happy to buy low quality slop, so Nintendo logically should continue to fill their trough with garbage.
I know at least 13 people who own a switch. One of them has taken it out with them enough times to remember it. We've had this discussion a million fricking times because the one who does insists it's a huge selling point when in reality most people don't seem to give a frick.
Actual reality takes precedent over anecdotal reality. And actual reality states half of all switch users use the switch primarily in handheld mode which means about 70 million people seem to give a frick about portability. Btw portability doesn't mean only playing while on public transit or at the park. It just means it's not tethered to a power source.
>Btw portability doesn't mean only playing while on public transit or at the park.
It's a shame that playing it on public transit or at the park was the exact scenario in question then, isn't it? It's cool that you've got the stats on people using it undocked at home, but it's also not what I was talking about so I don't see why you're using it as a gotcha.
Yeah sure but what age group are you talking about here? Because that's the biggest reason I don't have a deck, a switch or any other handheld, because I'm an adult and I don't play games when I'm out of my house, and "no one" my age that I know gives a frick about it, but kids and parents of kids probably care about it a ton, and they are a pretty big part of Nintendo target demographic.
It has games, like Metroid Dread and Tears of the Kingdom and Mario Wonder. It just doesn't have the amazing games like the ones you mentioned. It's also missing Pizza Tower.
It really depends. THe Ps3, Ps4 and PS5 all have games. It just so happens that alot of them are flat out terrible. Like I would highly recommend against playing shovelware like Uncharted or Princess Peach showtime.
>So it doesn't have games
It doesn't have those specific games. >most especially the ones that people actually care about and that are good.
No it has plenty of those.
>So it doesn't have games, most especially the ones that people actually care about and that are good.
start by defining what "ones that people actually care about" means because the switch software sales are pretty good and people are buying those because they care about them
Common fricking sense. Expecting Nintendo to be on top of technology is a joke. The VITA was great, but even that was quickly abandoned due to not being able to handle PS3 tier games.
Sir, are you taking pictures of customers? I'm gonna need to ask you to leave. Let me see your phone then. Let me see it. No? Okay, then leave. No, I need you to leave now. Get out. I don't wanna see you in here again dude. Okay, bye!
Deck is sold at a loss and Nintendo isn't going to sell hardware at a loss. They also aren't going to sell a $600 console to compete with an irrelevant PC peripheral.
A $400 tablet sold not-at-a-loss is guaranteed to be a piece of shit
There's a reason they keep delaying this thing. They had no competition when they released the Switch, now the market is saturated with shit that is more powerful and has a massive library
Nintendo would coast for the Switch into eternity if they could, convincing people to buy another underpowered tablet is a hard sell no matter how cheap
>There's a reason they keep delaying this thing
Because the current switch is still selling high teens millions each year so they don't need to rush out a successor.
Thats honestly why now would be a great time. Just release the switch 2 at like a way higher price so its future proofed with power then lower the price as the parts come down. Continue supporting the switch 1 and keep it as a budget option for kids and poor people. Almost every sony console has had a two year transition period and they're the best selling on average.
>more successful than the company with the best selling console of all time
1 week ago
Anonymous
Correct.
1 week ago
Anonymous
852 / 7 = 121 = 608 / 5 its a tie
1 week ago
Anonymous
Ah ok. Now divide PS2 by 2 because it was sold as a DVD player.
1 week ago
Anonymous
That was the same product though. Not necessary.
1 week ago
Anonymous
I disagree.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Do you have any idea how different modern snoy is than kutaragi era snoy lol, they went from a pitbull to a chihuahua, homosexual California troony company now. They couldn’t make a PS1 or PS2 cultural impact now if they tried.
1 week ago
Anonymous
So did microsoft tbf. Nintendo changed their turn during the wii and wii u era (though that was a different problem than the modern pozzed shit) but it looks like they'll probably be heading that direction soon.
1 week ago
Anonymous
If everyone sucks I guess the industry goes back to normal but the bar has been lowered through the floor and into the earths core. It’s time for Sega to then make a comeback with yet another iteration of the most moronic hardware known to man.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Nah valves still alright
1 week ago
Anonymous
The problem is valve doesn't make games beyond every other blue moon, they're pretty much just a storefront now.
You fricking baboon, the underpowered tablet has killer software that these "ultra powerful" competitors WISH they had.
You buy a videogame machine to play videogames not to jerk off to the technical specs, which is why the Switch is still selling far more despite being a 7 years underpowered tablet.
It's not going up against the no games PS5 or xbone, it's going up against pc which has VASTLY more software that the switch wish it had and all the switch's and nintendo's software in general, but let's ignore that for now. Switch 2 isn't going to release with no other handheld on the market like the Switch did and have free reign for years, like the Switch did. It's going to immediately force comparisons, like it's already doing with the deck. If it doesn't stack up it's going to lose a lot of people before they buy in. There are not that many diehard dedicated Nintendo fans, most people bought the Switch for portability and the sheer number of games. If PC can do that better in its own handhelds now, that's a problem for Nintendo.
>the switch fits in your pocket
No it doesn't. > If someone primarily aligns with steam or PC games why would they play it on a handheld?
Same reason everyone chose to play nintendo games on a handheld to the point nintendo had to kill off their home console line.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
it fits in my pocket just fine >Same reason everyone chose to play nintendo games on a handheld
back in....1995?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah they just transitioned to the vastly superior hybrid console line
>going up against pc which has VASTLY more software that the switch
Same games as every other console minus some keyboard required RTS, early access, and Valve 1st party software. Your argument also works against the Steam Deck because steam deck is a vastly inferior PC compared to any laptop or desktop.
>Same games as every other console
???
PC has far more exclusives, organically, than all consoles combined. The amount of games on steam alone is well over ten times the switch's library. >Your argument also works against the Steam Deck because steam deck is a vastly inferior PC compared to any laptop or desktop.
Just like the gameboy was vastly inferior to the nes and snes, yet sold more than both those systems combined. Or how the 3ds was inferior to the wii u, but sold 7 times as much.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cheaper things sell more
wow, you really are on to something here. Ever considered a job in economics?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you were smart you'd have used that to argue in favor of the switch
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nintendo hardware doesn't need PC games. It needs Nintendo games. And that's all it needs to move more units than Valve hardware.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is always beyond wishful thinking. If people just wanted Nintendo software, Nintendo's home console line would still exist and it wouldn't have had constant flops. The one except to that in nearly the last 30 years was the Wii, which only sold to casuals because of a hardware gimmick.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nintendo's home console line does exist. It's the Switch. Also it's portable lone exists as well. It's the Switch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The switch is literally just a handheld with hdmi.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Don't be silly anon, obviously a DS or 3DS with a video out mod is a home console. Nintendo's advertising told says so.
What do you mean you don't just listen and believe advertising?!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's a hybrid with an hdmi actually
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They went from 2 lines to 1 line. However you want to argue semantics, that 1 line better hold or they're in trouble.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They went from 2 lines to 1 line.
And outprofited both while offering a larger library of software. A case study on hardware excellence >However you want to argue semantics, that 1 line better hold or they're in trouble.
Nah they'll just start over again like they did after the WiiU
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And outprofited both while offering a larger library of software
Again, consoles don't matter at this point. PC is eating everyone's lunch and Nintendo is primed to find that out, which is why I suspect they've been so quiet about the Switch 2 despite having no games this year.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>consoles don't matter at this point.
Yeah they do. >PC is eating everyone's lunch
Looks like Xbox Series and PS5 are basically on mark with sales of their predecessors while Switch is greatly surpassing WiiU and 3DS. What are you basing this logic on?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, you haven't thought it through.
Wii U didn't have Pokemon, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, 3D Zelda (released on more popular hardware at the same time), Smash released on 3DS first. What it actually got released in between long software droughts due to Nintendo having to split resources between two systems.
Those issues don't exist anymore.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Wii U didn't, but N64 and GCN did. Nintendo's handhelds have historically crushed their home console line. The Wii U was just a return to the trend after the Wii.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Neither of them had Pokemon and Animal Crossing was nowhere as big. Wii U also added Splatoon which is another system seller.
N64 and GCN also had droughts due to having to support 2 systems.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nothing changed about the Wii. The DS still murdered it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only thing the wii u didn't have was animal crossing or a mainline pokemon game. If botw had released on the wii u as an exclusive like originally planned it would've sold 5-6 million at best.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It had freaking mario kart, splatoon, smash (which is obviously a console experience) and mario maker which was a revolution at the time, and still no one bought it
Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is, much less have the technical know-how to understand such comparisons. And anyone who does understand would know that "power" isn't a single number. Switch 2 will have a custom OS, much lower-level APIs, and Nvidia-specific stuff like DLSS and increased RT performance. That's what really matters, not the TFLOPS.
>Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is, much less have the technical know-how to understand such comparisons
There we go, that's the real argument in Nintendo's favor. Nintendo will bank on consumer ignorance as they typically do, same strategy as Apple. But you can bet a lot more people are about to learn about the Deck and other competitors, or view them as a lot more attractive, when they're being asked to buy into another $400 system.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't call it ignorance.
Switch 2 will be cheaper, lighter, have better battery life and the games will look and run better. Who cares if Deck has 1.65TF while Switch 2 has 1.60TF (portable)?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pure wish fulfillment, you're not getting all that in a handheld, sacrifices will be made.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
People thinking Deck is some sort of marvel of engineering never stop being funny.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you kidding? The screen was shit, the battery life was shit playing anything demanding, it's huge and it's more expensive. People like you just believe in magic until reality slaps you in the face and it's moronic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No because people buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games. Valve doesn't offer that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
13 million do. The rest are buying it for portability and other games.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tell that to the 60 million people who bought Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
MK8 is a horrible argument. If those 60 million people actually wanted it, they would've gotten it on the Wii U.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
MK8D is a vastly superior game to MK8
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you switchlets are hilarious
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're both MTX filled shit and not a reason I bought the Switch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
My post had nothing to do with you.
you switchlets are hilarious
Just stating facts.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>My post had nothing to do with you. >everyone cares about X on Y >I don't >I didn't mean you
Everyone means everyone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
cares about X on Y
Nobody said that
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What MTX? There's the Booster Course Pass, but that's $25 for the same amount of tracks as the base game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The 60 million who didn't buy a Wii U because they don't exclusively buy Nintendo exclusives, you mean? This just reads like Eric cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>blud doesn't know about the wii u
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>13 million do
Decks sold? That number is inflated by at least 8 million. Either way that's considered a historical flop in the big leagues.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon...I thought you were trolling but now I think you're actually moronic, so let me break this down for you.
Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth, Nintendo does. This alone cripples its sales. Steam Deck isn't on shelves and doesn't exist for 90% of consumers because its mail order for people who are already in Valve's ecosystem, so it has terrible advertising as the only people who know about it are already customers. Valve has Zero, and I mean like literally zero not a single god damn 1, exclusive and good games to compel people to buy the steam deck.
I want you to think about that. Why the frick would someone pay 400 dollars to buy a console with no games? So it can play modern AAA slop at 1/10th the resolution, with worse frame rates and more compatibility problems? So they can play old games from 3+ generations ago that already run on their current smart phones? So they can play away from their computer for 2 hours until the battery dies?
The steam deck is akin to the playstation portal; it has its uses for people who want to move around their house while they play most of their games on their stronger hardware, but you would never buy that overpriced toy unless you were already a hardcore drone for the company in question. It is a niche piece of hardware, not some legitimate console. Specs mean nothing compared to games, as the fact the Switch is dominating the console market can show you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth, Nintendo does. This alone cripples its sales
Again, this is the right argument. The only one Nintendo has in its favor. >muh exclusives
This is just that ignorance I was talking about. Exclusives are dogshit and not needed on PC, PC has all your games. But again, ignorance works for Nintendo, they make bank off it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon, nintendo owns at least FOUR very strong brands that help carry their system. You have to be a complete Black person to ignore them. No amount of exclusives the PC has will outshine their brands. If what you said was actually true the switch wouldn't even sell as much as the original fricking xbox.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The hardware and portability is what sells all of them except perhaps pokemon, which is a system seller. The rest have all been on systems that have flopped and the most played game on the switch is still fortnite, same as everywhere else.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>PC has all your games
Meaningless when consoles have every PC game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cool where can I buy Slay anbd DXball on my Switch?
Oh, right, I can't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well exclusives don't matter, or at least someone told me that 1 post ago.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Exclusives don't matter for pc, because it gets all your games. For a console, that's all you got, so you cling to them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Half of Steams top 10 selling 2023 titles were PC exclusives.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Uh huh
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice try on moving the goalposts.
What they said doesn't matter, YOU just said there are no exclusives on PC. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok bye
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even I have to call you out on that one.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ok so exclusives matter. Glad we agree.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
half of those statements are factually wrong
Steck Deck had multiple physical advertisement events. Steam has multiple exclusive games, Valve just doesn't pay for exclusitivity and of course there is nothing inherently exclusive to Deck.
Being away from your computer doesn't mean you have no energy source.
Phone comparisons are dumb because the mobile game market intersection is laughably small. At release
>Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth
not gonna nitpick about "every country" but it makes sense to not do this. In many countries there is no money to be made, you only build brand reputation as a future investment.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The steam deck is akin to the playstation portal
What's funny about this is the deck can literally do everything the portal does, and do it for the xbox and pc as well. The deck is an extremely capable device and if it were any other company than valve, there's nearly no end to the marketing bullet points you could run down to sell this thing to someone.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What's funny about this is the deck can literally do everything the portal does
What's *really* funny about it is that it almost certainly was created to use up a lower bin of the PS5 chip run.
>Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is
because it was an untested device. there was no advertising or store sales. you're just now starting to see these things in store rog ally is the most common
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Steam Deck has been advertised on Steam's storefront since before launch to its 120 million active users and as of today it has managed to reach still less than 5% of them. And all of them sold didn't earn Valve a cent because they were all sold at a loss. There is no market for a successful UMPC. Your hope is based on spite.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why did it flop and shit so hard?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The target demo it reached on steam is small, there is a very small crossover between people who want to play games on a PC and people who want a handheld portable PC to play games on, and that group shrinks even more when you remove people who would still rather just have a laptop for a portable option option for PC gaming.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It didn't. How many did you think they were expecting to sell?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
homie that ain't advertising shut the frick up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>homie that ain't advertising
yes it is. it was also given for free in the goty event
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>listing your product on your own store is advertising
Black person shut the frick up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
holy hell you're moronic so every ecommerce store is just constantly advertising their products all the time? Black person shut the frick up
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry bro, I'm right. Just gonna have to brush this one off and come back harder next time. Nothing personal.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Cool. Let me know when your ad agency that just tells companies to list their product on their site takes off. Can't wait to see you finally make it out your mother's basement.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Marketing to your own users is still marketing. You can say that it wasn't enough but it is marketing regardless.
1 week ago
Anonymous
marketing and advertising are two different things
It's funny how right you are but how wrong you are at the same time. The deck is kind of an autist hobbyist thing, most people looking for a handheld are looking for a plug and play experience, mostly parents looking for something for children, the new switch will also have a better price point and first party games, all that combined with the normie name recognition across generations I don't see a world where the steam deck has any effect on switch sales or vice versa. I don't have a horse in the handheld shit, but I wouldn't even consider the switch and deck as competing, their target audience has a pretty small overlap.
>The deck is kind of an autist hobbyist thing, most people looking for a handheld are looking for a plug and play experience
That's the thing, that's what the deck is and is getting better at all the time. It's what made deck such a big deal. The only reason the deck is not flying off the shells is because it's getting practically no marketing, is not in any retailers and isn't in most countries. That could change with the deck 2 if valve thinks it's ready for that, but even if it doesn't it kickstarted what valve wanted to achieve, which was better handheld competition for pc. >the new switch will also have a better price point
The funny thing is you can get a deck for cheaper than a switch right now. Refurbished, sure, but cheaper because valve is being incredibly competitive with the price. The switch 2 is not going to be cheaper than the switch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>things could change if valve changes them
Sure anything can change if it changes lol but as things stand now, Nintendo has far more name recognition than Steam or valve could ever hope for, if I showed my grandmother Gordon freeman she would be confused, if I showed her Mario she would know exactly who it was, that's my main point. Regardless of anything else Valve decides to do or not do marketing wise, Nintendo always will have a huge jump up on that front with non autists.
I disagree that the switch won't have a lower price point than the deck, and even if it is the same as a deck I would still doubt it wouldn't be lower than the next deck iteration, but will concede that it's possible for it to have a similar price point, but regardless of that I think the first point I was talking about matters sooo much more than you think it doesn't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't have to market their own games. They can market games like BG3 and tens of thousands of others. Nintendo does have brand recognition with casuals, but Valve has a hell of a lot more leeway in what they can show off and sell something like the Deck with. >I disagree that the switch won't have a lower price point than the deck
The Deck can already be officially bought right now for cheaper than a base Switch and Valve isn't even doing one of their sales which they've been pretty good about. This isn't a matter of disagreeing, it's a simple fact. They are being extremely competitive with the price.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Every UMPC has flopped including Valve's UMPC. Your hope is based on spite.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>based on spite
It's based on consoles no longer holding their games back. It's also overly optimistic hoping that the average person isn't stupid and just claps for whatever they see on tv/walmart and that their friends are buying.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Again, Nintendo has the die hard tendie gays in the autist camp, and they don't care about anything that isn't on Nintendo hardware, and the normie child audience also only really cares about their first title stuff and something like fortnite, which the switch can play. And the switch 2 will play, they have enough 3rd party support regardless of that just based on their brand recognition (which is part of why I personally believe valve made the deck in the first place, but that's a whole different thing) regardless so I don't see that as any sort of advantage for the deck >a refurbished deck is less than a switch so the price point is better
Ehh, again I'll concede the price point thing is possible, but I'll believe it when I see it, Nintendo is great at peddling cheap shitty hardware, I Aldo never said the deck wasn't competitively priced, just that the switch will be cheaper, and that (or even a matching price point) paired with its extreme brand loyalty and recognition, will still result in better sales for the switch, I could be wrong here, but I would be surprised if I was.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Again, Nintendo has the die hard tendie gays in the autist camp
I know, I used to be one of them. One of those 13 million who bought a Wii U. I've been with Nintendo through all their video game successes and failures. I have bought every Nintendo system up until this point. I'm not going to do that anymore because the Deck and PC is just so much better and I wish I did it sooner. Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but if that simple fact can be conveyed to the masses and the hardware readily available and easy for them to buy, then that'll be real interesting to watch. >just that the switch will be cheaper
The Switch Lite is cheaper. But I have a very hard time believing that the Switch 2 will be less than the $270 you can get the cheapest Deck for. I'm expecting $400, at best $300 with some real caveats to reach that price, and that'll still give Valve a year or more to lower the price of the Deck even further. >will still result in better sales for the switch
Oh I'm not arguing the Switch 2 won't outsell the Deck. It absolutely will due to the reasons you said, as well as actual marketing and retailer/country presence. Just that I think it's going to lose significant marketshare and that it feels like the beginning of the end times for consoles.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can agree that there is room for a decent shift in the market when it comes to the switch 2, and newer decks, but I think the price point deal is going to be a large factor, and only really with the hobbyist audience, although when you lay out the numbers plainly, it is a more compelling argument that they will be comparably priced.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>less than the $270 you can get the cheapest Deck for
There's also no real downside to that deck, unlike a switch lite, which is just a kneecapped switch. The only difference is memory that you can easily replace or add to. Expecting the average person to do that is farfetched, but it's totally viable for anyone who should know better.
Sorry about your console/brand/tribe. Its nothing personal. Nintendo is just really good at making video games and selling hardware for those video games. Pick a different enemy next time.
i played them on my pc, they were terrible except maybe zelda and mario? what else did they release? not much really. the pokemon games were borderline criminal, broken buggy and looked like a childs project.
yes i do hate them, because theyre not making good products anymore. stop buying their playskool tablets for $400 and waggle wii bullshit so we can get something good for once.
They didn't tell them shit, they just did nothing as they always do and will contract them again when it's time for another LGBT sale or if they bother to make another woke Half Life game like Alyx.
Not deleting a curator list should be the bare minimum expected of a platform. What should also be expected is not giving those homosexuals money in the first place.
>Bros, is it ogre?
It might actually be better. Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance since they are so specialized and optimized. Even if it doesn't surpass a Steam Deck, getting close for a handheld would be nice. I won't stop having a PC as my main gaming center.
>It might actually be better. Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance since they are so specialized and optimized.
Anon are you mongoloid? honest question.
>Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance
Bro that is not how it works. Consoles have the double edged sword benefit of very specific locked in hardware which means devs can optimize for them. But that's it. There's no magic performance gain or difference from pc. You want to know what else has that benefit? The steam deck.
>You want to know what else has that benefit? The steam deck.
And every other UMPC, desktop, tablet, and laptop. Valve should figure out how to compete with them before taking on a juggernaut like Nintendo.
>According to leaks >Insiders say >Industry veteran says >Says analyst
Ignore articles that contain any of these things. Unless the "leaks" are a concrete set of files you can look at that give you some kind of real info like the pokemon datamining or the nintendo server leaks a few years ago that gave us all of the spaceworld shit, it's ALWAYS clickbait nonsense. This thread was made by someone trying to stir up shit when we don't even have any real info. Frick off, Black person
Nintendo are cheap. I fully expected it to be less powerful because they don't want to sell at a loss. It will probably still sell gangbusters though just on brand name.
>switch >has worse specs then Steam Deck >focuses on games and not specs >doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences" >wins the generation
I wonder what the common theme is here
Ironically, people who enjoy "narrative experiences" like TLOU and Uncharted, which makes
>switch >has worse specs then Steam Deck >focuses on games and not specs >doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences" >wins the generation
I wonder what the common theme is here
Not necessarily a good thing. I'd be embarrassed to play a game thats one third movie.
1 week ago
Anonymous
It's much higher than that. That youtube vid is just the straight up cutscenes. It doesn't count all the boring dialogue segments, or the FF7 style summons, that are 30 second long cutscenes.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>one third movie
Xenoblade is much longer than just 60 hours anon
It's much higher than that. That youtube vid is just the straight up cutscenes. It doesn't count all the boring dialogue segments, or the FF7 style summons, that are 30 second long cutscenes.
>That youtube vid is just the straight up cutscenes
the videos contain bosses and combat tho
1 week ago
Anonymous
>the videos contain bosses and combat tho
aka cutscenes. See
>doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences"
1 week ago
Anonymous
yeah the game has animations. what about it ACgay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
that video doesn't show 190 hours of cutscenes doug
Animations masquerading as gameplay, despite the lack of button presses. I don't have to tell you the problem with a 20 second long stint of """"gameplay""""" where the player isn't actually doing anything. And that happens at every single moment of combat. The player isn't actually doing anything, they're just sitting there as damage numbers pop up.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Animations masquerading as gameplay
animations is part of the gameplay moron
1 week ago
Anonymous
>gameplay involves standing in one place while the game plays itself
Sounds like a "narrative experience" instead of a game.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>push buttons >animation happens >animation ends >push buttons again
1 week ago
Anonymous
>push button >20 second animation happens, without any button pushing required
1 week ago
Anonymous
>choose to use special attack with longer animation >gets mad when the animation is longer
based moron
1 week ago
Anonymous
>claims that longer animation is 100% gameplay >when there's no button presses required whatsoever and goes on so long that you can put the controller down and take a piss while it's playing out
Why would you consider "longer animations" to be a good thing? That's like arguing in favor of longer load screens.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>claims that longer animation is 100% gameplay
well they are part of the gameplay. you deliberately choose to use those longer, often stronger, attacks to deal more damage >when there's no button presses required
well I guess that QTEs are gameplay now right doug?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>well they are part of the gameplay. you deliberately choose to use those longer, often stronger, attacks to deal more damage
The animation is punishing me for using those stronger attacks, by removing gameplay and forcing me to watch cinematic shit. How is that fun?
>well I guess that QTEs are gameplay now right doug?
The fact that this makes a QTE look good in comparison should be alarming to you. Sadly, even when there is a button press sprinkled in here and there, Xenoblade still manages to botch it with an atrocious gameplay/cutscene ratio of 1:100, while giving the player as little agency as possible. At the end of the day, you're arguing that you'd rather watch the game then play it. That makes it a "narrative experience" the very thing that
>switch >has worse specs then Steam Deck >focuses on games and not specs >doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences" >wins the generation
I wonder what the common theme is here
complained about.
>Why would you consider "longer animations" to be a good thing?
Well you did, for one. Remember that webm you posted of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? You called it ludo kino or something like that. That's autism for "I like this" right?
Not a cutscene.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>The animation is punishing me for using those stronger attacks, by removing gameplay and forcing me to watch cinematic shit
then play on "hard mode" and don't use them >At the end of the day, you're arguing that you'd rather watch the game then play it.
nope. never said that
1 week ago
Anonymous
>never said that
Then why not remove these segments? What purpose do they serve other than to pander to the *gags* narrative experience crowd?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Because cutscenes like strafing left for 8 second while watching a cinematic cutscene are "ludo kino" or whatever. Fans (like you) love them.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Then why not remove these segments?
because the devs want that in the game. I want them as well, I like those animations >What purpose do they serve
to look cool >narrative experience crowd
you think that JRPGs appeal to the people that care about ultra realistic cinematic games?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>because the devs want that in the game. I want them as well, I like those animations
But they're depriving you of potential gameplay. Why argue for their inclusion? Especially when they'll go on for minutes without player interaction? Isn't gameplay the most important part of the medium?
>to look cool
That doesn't make a game better. Thats like arguing in favor of expensive, realistic graphics. You're just wasting time and money.
>you think that JRPGs appeal to the people that care about ultra realistic cinematic games?
Both crowds hate gameplay, that's why they do everything to avoid it. It's a match made in heaven.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>But they're depriving you of potential gameplay
20 seconds isn't depriving me of anything really. besides they look cool >That doesn't make a game better.
that's a nice opinion but I disagree >Thats like arguing in favor of expensive, realistic graphics
no? I think realistic graphics are the opposite of cool >You're just wasting time and money
these games aren't expensive to make and considering that monolith soft is working on multiple projects at the same time having two games in the same generation is pretty good >Both crowds hate gameplay
source? because I know that people that like JRPGs like turn based games, which contains a lot of gameplay
1 week ago
Anonymous
>20 seconds isn't depriving me of anything really. besides they look cool
How is it cool to NOT play the game? If it was fun, you would want more gameplay.
>no? I think realistic graphics are the opposite of cool
They're in the same boat, they're excess not making the game better.
>these games aren't expensive
So it wasn't sold at 60 dollars, with obscenely expensive DLC?
>source? because I know that people that like JRPGs like turn based games, which contains a lot of gameplay
And yet you are arguing for the inclusion of non-gameplay, so much of it that you spend hour after hour NOT playing the game. IF you liked the game, the very thought of a cutscene interrupting you should be like boiling hot acid hitting you in the face.
After all, you did complain about "narrative experiences". You can't turn around and change your mind.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>How is it cool to NOT play the game?
But I am playing the game. I chose to use that attack and I see it dealing damage to the enemy >They're in the same boat
nah. good animations is a pretty important thing in a game >So it wasn't sold at 60 dollars, with obscenely expensive DLC?
it was sold at 60 dollars and had 30 dollars DLC that added 30 hours to the game. the price of a game doesn't reflect on their budget tho >And yet you are arguing for the inclusion of non-gameplay
that wouldn't even mean that I dislike gameplay. you can like more than one thing you know? >IF you liked the game, the very thought of a cutscene interrupting you should be like boiling hot acid hitting you in the face
sounds like projection
1 week ago
Anonymous
>But I am playing the game. I chose to use that attack and I see it dealing damage to the enemy
It's not gameplay though. I should be having more button presses. Every single last moment should be something that I'm actively influencing. If there's any more than a 5 second delay in button presses, then I'm not having fun.
>nah. good animations is a pretty important thing in a game
That's just gaslighting by graphics designers looking to get paid. A game can look like an atari game, with nothing but t posed characters hitting eachother like they were in a gmod video, and it would still be better than overproduced cinematics.
>it was sold at 60 dollars and had 30 dollars DLC that added 30 hours to the game.
Exactly. Spent way too much money on too little of a return.
>that wouldn't even mean that I dislike gameplay.
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. "-Mathew 6:24 Figured this was appropriate because of all the religious references in Xenoblade.
>sounds like projection
More like having your priorities in order.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It's not gameplay though
yes it is. I use the attack, I see it happening. simple as >That's just gaslighting by graphics designers looking to get paid
what good games have you played that don't have any animations? >A game can look like an atari game
if it's a good game yes it can be whatever it wants >No one can serve two masters
well video games aren't my masters, they're leisure. jesus doesn't say you can't enjoy/like two things, but that's you can't worship both and I'm not here to worship video games >Spent way too much money on too little of a return.
I don't know but two 100 hour games in a generation seems pretty good to me >More like having your priorities in order.
nah. it sounds like you can't accept that people don't agree with you
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I use the attack, I see it happening
That's no different from walk-and-talk segments in a western game. "I'm technically pressing forward, it's gameplay!" Again, it's hypocritical to complain about narrative experiences, while arguing that cutscenes belong in an interactive medium.
>what good games have you played that don't have any animations?
Pong, Tetris, Minecraft, the list goes on. Modern gamers have been suckered into thinking that games need to be pretty.
>well video games aren't my masters,
Missing the point. Where a cutscene exists, gameplay cannot exist. You are thus pushing out one to embrace the other.
>I don't know but two 100 hour games in a generation seems pretty good to me
And 90 hours of that was cutscenes. Just doesn't seem like a valid return on investment.
>nah. it sounds like you can't accept that people don't agree with you
I'm just pointing out hypocrites. You don't get to complain about narrative experiences while championing JRPGs, which are objectively unable to function without their narrative. The gameplay is so terrible that it falls apart in seconds.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>That's no different from walk-and-talk segments in a western game
it is. the walk and talk sequence doesn't give me a choice. in combat I can chose to use or not those attacks >Again, it's hypocritical to complain about narrative experiences
I don't complain about them, I just don't play them >Pong, Tetris, Minecraft, the list goes on
pong and Minecraft objectively have animations. what do you think you see when a creeper walks or when you attack? I'd say that Tetris is debatable since the most animations we see is the player turning the blocks >Missing the point
no it isn't. you're incorrectly using the quote. that quote is about worship and worship only. one person can like multiple things even if they're opposite. >And 90 hours of that was cutscenes
no it isn't >I'm just pointing out hypocrites
where? >The gameplay is so terrible that it falls apart in seconds.
in what sense exactly?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>it is. the walk and talk sequence doesn't give me a choice. in combat I can chose to use or not those attacks
Does the combat give me the option to kill off the characters, so they stop talking? Because no matter they never stop making snarky quips. Is there also an option that involves me more in combat? Autobattling is boring. There's not even any verticality. For a non-turn based series, you just sit on a place and watch the characters autobattle without you. It's a glorified cutscene.
>I don't complain about them, I just don't play them
i literally linked you to a post complaining about narrative experiences.
>pong and Minecraft objectively have animations. what do you think you see when a creeper walks or when you attack? I'd say that Tetris is debatable since the most animations we see is the player turning the blocks
The point is that their budgets are rock bottom, and can be made with a few people, max. No game should need nor demand more.
>that quote is about worship and worship only
Well, I hate to say this, but you're kind of worshipping the cutscenes and story. You directly imply that the games would not be playable without them. like lacking context would suddenly suck away all of the fun from the gameplay.
>in what sense exactly?
See above. You should be able to enjoy a game even if there was no graphics, music, story, menues, title screens, or anything. The bare gameplay should be all that matters. When you don't adhere to this, you end up with snoy movieshit, where the spectacle is more important than the substance.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Does the combat give me the option to kill off the characters, so they stop talking?
??? >i literally linked you to a post complaining about narrative experiences
??? >The point is that their budgets are rock bottom
no the point is that they have animations. objectively. also care to show their budgets? because mojang as of today has 600 employees and they're still working on minecraft 10 years after the original release >Well, I hate to say this, but you're kind of worshipping the cutscenes and story
again this sounds a lot like projection > You directly imply that the games would not be playable without them.
I think I directly said the opposite. I literally said that a game can be anything as long as it's good >You should be able to enjoy a game even if there was no graphics, music, story, menues, title screens, or anything
what game do you like that has no interface?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>???
the point is that the movieshit encompasses pretty much all of the gameplay, and is forced on me without consent. The cutscene attacks are just a tiny bit of the problem.
>also care to show their budgets?
Minecraft was made by one guy and maybe some of his friends. Once they bloated mojang and brought Microsoft into the mix, it got objectively worse. All that money and fancy technical prowess didn't bring anything to the table.
>again this sounds a lot like projection
If it was, then you should have no problem with me hating the cinematics and non-gameplay.
>I literally said that a game can be anything as long as it's good
Then the game should be able to function without the cutscenes.
>what game do you like that has no interface?
I like games like Terraria and TF2, where you can downgrade the graphics and strip all the elements out until it's nothing but purple error messages and developer textures. None of that matters as long as the gameplay is good, and the difference here is that I'm not arguing that the games can't function without it. Infact I'd argue that the games would be better without the graphical clutter.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>play a game >enjoy the cutscenes so that the story beats allow you to take a quick mental break while also immersing you in this new virtual world you're exploring >replay the game >skip all of the cutscenes because you already know what happens and now merely enjoy the juicy gameplay
This is the winning move, and to say otherwise is gay
1 week ago
Anonymous
>play the game first time >ignore the story in its entirety because story in a video game can never be good no matter what
ftfy
>the point is that the movieshit encompasses pretty much all of the gameplay
??? >and is forced on me without consent
you consented when you bought the game. why would you play a game you dislike anon? >Minecraft was made by one guy and maybe some of his friends.
yeah it was made by notch but the game is still being worked on this day. also show the budget >then you should have no problem with me hating the cinematics and non-gameplay
I don't care about what you think anon >Then the game should be able to function without the cutscenes.
and it can. most JRPGs, and RPGs in general, would be just grinding without the story/cutscenes but grinding in turn based games is fun >I like games like Terraria and TF2
they still have an interface >where you can downgrade the graphics and strip all the elements out until it's nothing but purple error messages and developer textures.
I'm pretty sure you can't do that on those games
>you consented when you bought the game. why would you play a game you dislike anon?
You're the one trying to argue that it's a masterpiece, I merely disagreed and explained why.
>yeah it was made by notch but the game is still being worked on this day.
Yeah, by Microsoft. That's why it got worse.
and it can survive without cutscenes
No, not really. The sheer hostility shown at the notion of removing the cutscenes will immediately disprove that notion.
>I'm pretty sure you can't do that on those games
Terraria lets you mod everything out and remove the entire graphical interface. As for TF2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67LPSFtVlsk
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>You're the one trying to argue that it's a masterpiece
care to point where I've said that? I don't think I've used this word at all >Yeah, by Microsoft. That's why it got worse.
so what was the budget? >The sheer hostility shown at the notion of removing the cutscenes will immediately disprove that notion.
what hostility? >Terraria lets you mod everything out and remove the entire graphical interface. As for TF2:
you ... you understand those games still have graphics right?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>care to point where I've said that? I don't think I've used this word at all
If you don't think that, then you should have no problem with me saying that it's no masterpiece, or not even close.
>so what was the budget?
10 dollars. Source: Notch's twitter.
>what hostility?
This thread's a good example. People respond with so much hate because I say that the games waste too much on excess.
>you ... you understand those games still have graphics right?
Don't get cute with me. You know what I mean. The textures could look like ultra realistic 4k images, or they could just be pixellated trash, and nothing would change. Nobody plays these games for the graphics, which is why they're so easily interchangeable.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>then you should have no problem with me saying that it's no masterpiece
like I said I don't care about what you think anon >twitter
sounds a little too low since he said he'd sell Mojang for two billion >People respond with so much hate because I say that the games waste too much on excess.
I don't see that happening anywhere >You know what I mean
no I don't. how could I possible know? you mentioned games without a graphical interface and you used the game having customizable UI and textures as an example. that's just plainly wrong
1 week ago
Anonymous
>like I said I don't care about what you think anon
Then what's with the hostility?
>sounds a little too low since he said he'd sell Mojang for two billion
That was Microsoft overspending for no reason. They love wasting money.
>I don't see that happening anywhere
It's why people call me a gay. They say it's wrong to focus on gameplay above all else, which is HEAVILY ironic considering the thread. People here are like "the switch 2 doesn't need more power, the gameplay is what's important" but to spite me, they suddenly turn around and argue that graphics and storytelling and music are so damn important.
>you mentioned games without a graphical interface and you used the game having customizable UI and textures as an example
The point is that the graphical interface isn't important. Hence why it can be removed.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Then what's with the hostility?
what hostility anon? I don't think I've attacked you in this entire conversation >That was Microsoft overspending for no reason
well notch himself set the two billion dollars price >It's why people call me a gay
I don't see that happening here either >The point is that the graphical interface isn't important. Hence why it can be removed.
again you're confusing having a graphical interface with having UI/textures. you see the gameplay through the graphics. and unless these games become black screens controlled by inputs I don't see how they don't have graphics. vidya is an interactive media
1 week ago
Anonymous
>what hostility anon? I don't think I've attacked you in this entire conversation
It's more a general hostility. You'd think a fandom that complains about narrative experiences and movie games would be more sympathetic to someone who hates JRPG cutscene excess.
>well notch himself set the two billion dollars price
Well, Microsoft was silly for buying it at that much. Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
>I don't see that happening here either
ctrl+f "acgay". 5 results minimum.
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oops. Meant to say "vidya is an interactive media but it's also a visual one"
>"vidya is an interactive media but it's also a visual one"
And what good are the visuals when they get in the way of the gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It's more a general hostility.
I have no idea what you're talking about >a fandom
or who you're referring to >Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
the fact that it was simple enough so that they could port the game to mobile. prior to the mobile version I'm pretty sure the game sold around 40 million units but after that they managed to get it to 300 million (technically they count the sales of every Minecraft version together but not may people played the Minecraft story game so it's not relevant) >And what good are the visuals when they get in the way of the gameplay?
try playing minecraft, terraria or TF2 blindfolded and see what good are the visuals
1 week ago
Anonymous
>I have no idea what you're talking about
It's a general sentiment of the fandom. They get angry at the mention of Nintendo games suffering from excess and wasteful spending.
>the fact that it was simple enough so that they could port the game to mobile. prior to the mobile version I'm pretty sure the game sold around 40 million units but after that they managed to get it to 300 million
None of this inflated the budget, which is why it was so cheap to make. No ultra realistic graphics or cinematic storytelling or even voice acting. That's all time and money saved which is a good thing.
>try playing minecraft, terraria or TF2 blindfolded and see what good are the visuals
I'd honestly have a better time than playing a bloated snoy movie.
>It's more a general hostility
Aren't you the one who admitted yesterday that you attack fanbases you don't like by saying the games they like suck? Why the hostility?
>Aren't you the one who admitted yesterday that you attack fanbases you don't like by saying the games they like suck?
Incorrect. I judge a game more harshly depending on the fanbase. I try not to at first, and judge the game by its own merits. But if it's a mediocre game, and the fandom doesn't help, then it's gonna hurt the score.
And only a mediocre game would sell on graphics and storytelling and anime breasts.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Incorrect. I judge a game more harshly depending on the fanbase
That's what I said. You critique gameplay unfairly when you don't like the people who play the games. Essentially you're critiquing the fanbase and not the game itself.
Also since you're talking to me again: Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It's a general sentiment of the fandom
why are you even talking about fandoms here? >None of this inflated the budget
well the port didn't come from nowhere. the updates that the game got over the years didn't either. the budget for a game that is in constant development is in constant growth, with mojang having hundreds of employees basically just to work on minecraft >I'd honestly have a better time than playing a bloated snoy movie.
but if you don't play these games like that all the time you're still playing with graphics. don't you see how silly this all is?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>why are you even talking about fandoms here?
the fandom regularly complains about narrative experiences, and yet they defend JRPGs. It's hypocritical. And I blame the whole fandom for this logical contradiction, since not enough people call it out.
>well the port didn't come from nowhere. the updates that the game got over the years didn't either
I don't count the game after a certain point of development, since it got way too bloated. I only uphold early Minecraft as a good example of not wasting money on the budget.
>but if you don't play these games like that all the time you're still playing with graphics
I have no attachment to the graphics. They can be taken away at will, and it doesn't bother me. That's what I'm trying to get across.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>the fandom regularly complains about narrative experiences
Then you have a lot in common with them.
1 week ago
Anonymous
At least I'm not arguing for the inclusion of hours of unnecessary cutscenes.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
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1 week ago
Anonymous
>narrative experiences, and yet they defend JRPGs
give an example of a narrative experience >I don't count the game after a certain point of development
you can't arbitrarily choose that. that isn't the product that achieved everything the most recent version did >I have no attachment to the graphics
so you only play these games blindfolded?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>give an example of a narrative experience
Any game where the story is given way too much importance over the gameplay, to the point where large swathes of the game are dedicated to exposition. Uncharted, Modern Tomb Raider, TLOU, etc. I figured Nintendo fans would be on my side with this, but the industry found out that people will buy movie games en masse if they have anime breasts in them.
>that isn't the product that achieved everything the most recent version did
You're right. The most recent version is basically a new game compared to the old version. That's why I like the old version. Pre-hunger. I'd rather not have the new features if Microsoft is gonna bungle the whole thing.
>so you only play these games blindfolded?
Takes skill, but yes. My gaming skill is "heckin poggers" as the young kids would say.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Uncharted, Modern Tomb Raider, TLOU
don't you think it's silly to compare those games with JRPGs in general seeing that they're longer? >I figured Nintendo fans would be on my side with this
so you think only nintendo fans dislike those and like JRPGs? >Takes skill, but yes. My gaming skill is "heckin poggers" as the young kids would say.
so why were you mentioning the games taking away UI and textures if you don't even see them?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>don't you think it's silly to compare those games with JRPGs in general seeing that they're longer?
Length doesn't mean anything. If Uncharted was 1000 hours long, would that redeem the terrible gameplay or bloated and obnoxious story? A ratio only justifies so much.
>so you think only nintendo fans dislike those and like JRPGs?
With the upmost respect, a rational person would dislike both. Or at least understand the core failing of a JRPG, which is that it "wants to tell a story". That should already be a red flag for any gaming enthusiast.
>so why were you mentioning the games taking away UI and textures if you don't even see them?
For the challenge.oh, and less space used in memory. Textures are expensive.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Length doesn't mean anything
it really does. it's how people measure if a game is a movie game or not >terrible gameplay or bloated and obnoxious story
I think both are subjective statements >a rational person would dislike both
that doesn't really answer my question >For the challenge
how is it a challenge if you weren't seeing them to begin with
1 week ago
Anonymous
>it really does. it's how people measure if a game is a movie game or not
A game that's 1000 hours long means nothing if that 1000 hours is terrible. Especially if it's fake gameplay, where there's no challenge and it's just a piece for exposition to be pushed in your face. I'll take a 5 minute long game over the longest cinematic experience.
>that doesn't really answer my question
It's not just Nintendo fans who should hate cinematic walk and talks, but it's hypocritical for anyone to turn around and worship JRPGs.
>how is it a challenge if you weren't seeing them to begin with
That's the challenge.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>A game that's 1000 hours long means nothing if that 1000 hours is terrible
well according to your idea a 1000 hours game with 20 hours of cutscenes could be awesome for 980 hours >worship JRPGs
I think the term worship is a little strong here. these are some of the worst selling genres in the entire gaming landscape. that's why their budgets are pretty small >That's the challenge.
disabling visual components when you're already blindfolded isn't a challenge
1 week ago
Anonymous
>well according to your idea a 1000 hours game with 20 hours of cutscenes could be awesome for 980 hours
Means nothing if the gameplay is bad.
>I think the term worship is a little strong here. these are some of the worst selling genres in the entire gaming landscape. that's why their budgets are pretty small
and yet any criticism is regarded as heresy, as if these games can never be commented on in a negative light.
>disabling visual components when you're already blindfolded isn't a challenge
Different strokes for different folks.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Means nothing if the gameplay is bad
but turn based combat isn't necessarily bad >and yet any criticism is regarded as heresy
no, you're just taking this too seriously. >Different strokes for different folks.
how is that even applicable here? if you're playing a game blindfolded, which you claim you are, disabling the other options don't change anything
1 week ago
Anonymous
>but turn based combat isn't necessarily bad
It is, if it's reliant on cinematics and spectacle.
>no, you're just taking this too seriously.
I just hate hypocrites.
>how is that even applicable here? if you're playing a game blindfolded, which you claim you are, disabling the other options don't change anything
It's personal preference. Don't worry too much about it.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Armored Core 6 coming out basically ruined ACgay. I'm loving it
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It is, if it's reliant on cinematics and spectacle
they aren't. you could have those games without a story >I just hate hypocrites.
again taking this way too seriously >It's personal preference
no it isn't. it's a redundant thing
1 week ago
Anonymous
>they aren't. you could have those games without a story
Then the fandom should stop getting angry at the idea that the games should have less cutscenes. Their actions betray their words.
>again taking this way too seriously
I disagree.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>It's more a general hostility
Aren't you the one who admitted yesterday that you attack fanbases you don't like by saying the games they like suck? Why the hostility?
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
potential
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Then what's with the hostility?
what hostility anon? I don't think I've attacked you in this entire conversation >That was Microsoft overspending for no reason
well notch himself set the two billion dollars price >It's why people call me a gay
I don't see that happening here either >The point is that the graphical interface isn't important. Hence why it can be removed.
again you're confusing having a graphical interface with having UI/textures. you see the gameplay through the graphics. and unless these games become black screens controlled by inputs I don't see how they don't have graphics. vidya is an interactive media
oops. Meant to say "vidya is an interactive media but it's also a visual one"
1 week ago
Anonymous
>the point is that the movieshit encompasses pretty much all of the gameplay
??? >and is forced on me without consent
you consented when you bought the game. why would you play a game you dislike anon? >Minecraft was made by one guy and maybe some of his friends.
yeah it was made by notch but the game is still being worked on this day. also show the budget >then you should have no problem with me hating the cinematics and non-gameplay
I don't care about what you think anon >Then the game should be able to function without the cutscenes.
and it can. most JRPGs, and RPGs in general, would be just grinding without the story/cutscenes but grinding in turn based games is fun >I like games like Terraria and TF2
they still have an interface >where you can downgrade the graphics and strip all the elements out until it's nothing but purple error messages and developer textures.
I'm pretty sure you can't do that on those games
1 week ago
Anonymous
homie minecraft is the slowest fricking game ever, "Oh you want to break a block? Well instead of clicking the block and it disappearing because that would allow for more gameplay time, instead you have to stand completely still and hold the left mouse button anywhere from 1-15 seconds, sounds fun? Now do this literally thousands of times".
You don't even have consistency in your arguments, you ultimately just shitpost "game I like=good, game you like=bad" with flowerly dumb language to attempt to sound smart and bait replies. Which is fine, I too like to shitpost about games you don't like but it feels like we can't have one fricking thread without your autism.
Go outside already, jeez
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Not a cutscene.
Well it is actually, according to you. Why is this such a difficult subject for you? You freeze up every time I ask you.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>Why would you consider "longer animations" to be a good thing?
Well you did, for one. Remember that webm you posted of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? You called it ludo kino or something like that. That's autism for "I like this" right?
How? Steam Deck is $300 device with years old hardware. How could a next gen handheld be worse? Nintendo has got to be the most israeli corporation in the world.
Everything that being talked about is either guesswork or from leaked info that's now 2 years old meaning any shit could change. Right now nobody is going to get anything right except that nintendo is going to profit off their newest successor hardware from day fricking 1. But even that might not happen since now you have to pay to go online like with the other console manufacturers.
Investors won’t let that happen. If it’s inferior to the cheap ass Deck, they’re going to pull investments if they can’t force board members to step down
Tough luck. Switch only got cracked so fast because it used a chip with a security hole that was well documented and exploited a year before it even released.
Switch 2 uses a custom SoC.
They didn't with any of the Switch revisions which is why soldering a chip for CFW is your only option V1 and up (said chip only exists due to knowhow from the original day 0 hack).
The SoC they're using is technically custom as well anon.
Being customized doesn't mean it lacks the security flaws present in the base.
You can customize your PC set up all you like but it still has all of the same security flaws as the release version unless you went through and fixed them yourself.
This is quite likely.
The deck is not sold with a big margin, only via valve direct and starts at approx.. 500 USD for the OLED model.
Nintendo wants to earn on HW and sells the consoles at retailers or online stores who also need to earn something in each console sold.
Even if the Switch 2 is the same price as the Deck, it would probably be less powerful, as those 500 USD would include margins for two parties vs. hardly any margin.
In reality, the Switch 2 will probably only cost 400 USD max. So yes, it's likely way less powerful then the Deck.
I'm still debating on whether I should send my switch in for repairs and pay the 111$ or just wait for the new console. I would like to finish TotK but I'm not dying too or anything. I also didn't finish Kirby.
How absolutely ass raped shitter shattered buck broken is this board going to be by another decade of famitsu threads where the ps5/ps6 gets bodied on a weekly basis.
>where the ps5/ps6 gets bodied on a weekly basis.
Good I hope it does along with nintendo's trash hardware so they can stop holding games back and being giant israelites.
This was always going to be the case >Nintendo sells their devices not only at profit, but a relatively large one. >They tend to sell their devices cheaper compared to other consoles in order to appeal to families to buy multiple devices, one for each kid. >The device needs to be small and light so younger children can use it >Needs to have an acceptable level of battery life. >Adding more power would just add to development costs, which Nintendo wants to keep down relative to other companies.
>company who wins with worse technology since the:
NES/TG16
SNES/Genesis (although colors and the Genesis sound chip filtered Americans)
Gameboy/game gear
N64/PS1/Saturn (really debatable here, they all excelled at something the others didn’t (2D and arcade games for Saturn before you Black folk green text the Saturn))
6th gen lost to PS2 but handhelds continued to mog
DS vs PSP
Wii vs 360/PS3 >Pii U lmao
3DS vs vita
Point is they’ve never been afraid to roll out shit hardware, they learned early on that the name of the game is the games. Switch 2 could just be switch 1 with a coat of paint and it would still sell gangbusters for bing and Zelda. Switch 2 is gonna move a frick ton of units if it isn’t a total failure on the tier of the Pii U, you guys need to come to terms with it already. If it can run PS4 games more or less like the leaks claim then it’s even more likely to do serious numbers.
Lateral thinking with withered technology is why they’re so fricking cash rich and basically not anywhere near at risk financially if they had a dozen flops console wise.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm excited for the Switch 2 and I'm glad it's going to be a weaker device. Nearly every game I play could run on the Vita. The obsession with chasing power is killing the industry.
I love the PSP and play the games constantly. The DS still sold more. I’m not trying to sales gay i consider myself a console agnostic /vr/ gay for the most part although I love the Wii, DS, and PSP dearly (after that things really start backsliding industry wise imo). Only reason I said all that was to show that historically Nintendo doesn’t mind rolling worse hardware out. The PSP was a technological marvel at the time imo, especially when you look at what phone gaming was like then and the multimedia capabilities of it.
This. I can only imagine that's why this year is barren as hell and they've taken so long without so much as a hint of it. If they don't come out of the gates swinging immediately at launch that'll be a huge mistake.
We already know they're gonna have the biggest mario kart ever and a new 3d mario. Splatoon and animal crossing are guarantees along with unconnected shit like kirby, fire emblem, warioware, xenoblade and pokemon. It'll be fine. They really only need 1 "nintendoy" game like donkey kong or fzero to excite people.
I think aside from the first-party launch title, they need a bunch of ports at launch to fill the catalog much easier too; stuff from FromSoft, GTA 5, or Monster Hunter Wilds port announcement for the system for example.
thank god its on shitty tablet hardware again. i love experiencing all my childhood favorites on a 720p display at 30 fps. counting my blessing that we get another 7 years of shit like pokemon scarlet and violet
You know it's not going to even be as strong as 'eck but only because of battery life.
If we had better batteries that would last 4+ hours it would not be a problem.
Also it has to be cheap because for some reason normalgays can't afford $600 console but will gladly pay $70 for a game.
The cheap thing never made sense to me, the switch is cheaper up front but the games cost too much long term. People saying it’s cheaper have got to be coping fanboys.
We will never know what % of total sales are parents buying hardware for their kids vs fanboys.
I just remember when I was 8 or 9 y/o and I wanted to get gameboy. The console itself was rather cheap but the cost of a game was rather high so I didn't get my GBC that day.
I knew only one kid who had GB, rest just had PCs or PSX and pirated games.
No smartphone can do it due to formfactor and stricter heat requirements than the switch has to deal with.
A $2000 tablet definitely could. Or honestly a tablet in the $600-1000 range.
Modern ARM chips have advanced leaps and bounds in recent years. The graphical power of the M2 Max has proven to be pretty decent, for example, and while there's few examples it's pretty safe to say it can do 30fps ports of PS5 games.
Obviously that chip's too big for a switch, but a switch also needs a fraction of the CPU power.
as long as its cheaper and has better battery life than the steam deck it will probably be a success for nintendo.
it will also need to have a good marketing message
>as long as its cheaper and has better battery life than the steam deck
Better battery life maybe, but the steam deck is already arguably cheaper than the base switch.
Nintendo doesn't optimise, they simplify. They go for stability rather than bleeding edge. They've never bothered with being the best hardware. So this really means nothing. Also at least Nintendo has the balls to sell in Australia and uphold those consumer protections. Valve is so hackneyed and garbage they're too afraid to be held accountable for their product.
>Also at least Nintendo has the balls to sell in Australia and uphold those consumer protections
lol
The joke here being that Australia sued Valve for not offering digital refunds, something Nintendo still does not do. In fact they're the only ones who don't. Meanwhile Valve didn't have to offer refunds globally, only in Australia, but they still made it available to everyone.
>Nintendo doesn't do
Yes they do. Just not to other countries. They have to, to sell things in Australia. They sell the switch in Australia, the steam deck isn't sold in Australia.
That somehow makes it even worse that they would only do it in australia because they're forced to and nowhere else. God forbid they ever stop treating their consumers like shit.
You miss the point, it's not about exclusivity, it's about companies being forced to take responsibility for what they sell you. The best result would be them upholding the same consumer protections they have in Australia, everywhere.
They will only refund a digital purchase in Australia if it's literally defective or damages your device and no other reason or leeway. Even then, only in Australia.
Nope, legislation also covers if it's been falsely advertised or is not fit for purpose. It also means that terms cannot be changed after the purchase has been made, so EULA is unenforceable. Ultimate it means they have to actually sell you what they claim to sell you.
It should be a basic commercial understanding of both parties being honest, instead of "caveat emptor" bullshit where only the purchaser has to be honest.
The thing that is actually confusing is why people would actually defend the latter instead of demanding the former.
They will only refund a digital purchase in Australia if it's literally defective or damages your device and no other reason or leeway. Even then, only in Australia.
It was over the moment it was decided to make a switch 2. Most of the investor demands were staved off by Nintendo insisting that they'll always innovate when making consoles, and not repeat themselves. >captcha: W8M8HA
A very good point. Nintendo's consoles have buy and large sold off of portability and innovation. If it's just another Switch but a little more powerful and can play some newer games that everyone has already played, the general public will consider it a lot more boring. The Switch had incredible marketing, but I don't see "you can dock it! again!" making the Switch 2 fly off the shelves. If it's just something like that I expect it to sell about half as much.
Exclusivity is one of the most israeli things in this industry and it's sad console users wage their master's wars over them. Luckily PC gets all the games anyway.
No reason to buy gimped locked down hardware without exclusives. I should be able to install whatever I want on a console. I also shouldn’t have to pay for internet. Consoles in 2024 are israeli, they made sense in the past with the rate of change in PC hardware and wider amount of standards to target.
>Exclusivity is one of the most israeli things in this industry
why?
No reason to buy gimped locked down hardware without exclusives. I should be able to install whatever I want on a console. I also shouldn’t have to pay for internet. Consoles in 2024 are israeli, they made sense in the past with the rate of change in PC hardware and wider amount of standards to target.
Switch exclusives: >Mario Odyssey >Smash Ultimate >The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom >Splatoon 2 + Octo Expansion >Xenoblade Chronicles 2 >Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country >Snipperclips Plus >1 2 Switch >Fast RMX >Arms >Golf Story >Mario+Rabbids Kingdom Battle + Donkey Kong Adventure >Gal Metal >Kirby Star Allies >Mario Tennis Aces >TWEWY ~Final Remix~ >Super Mario Party >Pokémon Let's Go >Fitness Boxing >Yoshi's Crafted World >Pokémon Sword & Shield >Animal Crossing: New Horizons >Fire Emblem Three Houses >Luigi's Mansion 3 >Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 >Super Mario Maker 2 >The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening >Astral Chain >Box Boy! + Box Girl! >Tetris 99 >Cadence of Hyrule >Mario & Sonic at the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games >Bayonetta 3 >Metroid Prime 4 >Shin Megami Tensei V >Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition >Ring Fit Adventure >Famicon Detective Club remakes >Brain Training Switch >Sports Story >Taiko no Tatsujin Drum & Fun >Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX >Ninjala >Groove Coaster Wai Wai Party >Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics >Good Job! >Paper Mario: The Origami King >New Pokémon Snap >Bakugan: Champions of Vestroia >Picross S Series >Vitamin Connection >Working Zombies >Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity >Fitness Boxing 2 >Kirby Fighters 2 >Rolling Gunner >Buddy Mission BOND >Mario Golf: Super Rush >Splatoon 3 >Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl >Pokémon Legends Arceus >Monyuu >Pacman 99 >Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate >Game Builder Garage >Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope >Mario Party Superstars >Metroid Dread >WarioWare: Get It Together! >Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp >Kirby and the Forgotten Land >Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes
Nintendo will give preference to battery life above all else. That's why it underclocked the already weak Nintendo Switch (even in docked mode, as a way of ensuring that there isn't too much disparity between the modes resulting in games that don't run well on the handheld mode).
If you force Deck to its full potential, it will drain the battery in less than an hour. Nintendo won't accept something like that.
They can't work miracles in terms of battery either, even if the system is more optimized because of its mobile nature.
Finally, DLSS is far from being the miracle people think it is, like all of NVidia's AI-based technologies, it only gives acceptable results when you're already starting from a decent base resolution, so it's more like "if it's good, it can get even better" than "if it's garbage, it can get acceptable".
Based dlss truth, wish it was more versatile, and some day it will be I'm sure, but as it stands the only thing it's good for is upscaling 1080p or higher to 4k.
How do people STILL not understand the business plan behind the deck even to this day? Man Ganker may really be the most moronic board. At least Ganker understands why half their underperformning crap still gets made.
No we understand it. The problem is "spiritual success" isn't a language we speak in the big leagues. Steam deck is a flop by all objective measures. You're allowed to be a fanboy of it however. But keep the success talk to your reddit and resetera echochambers. They understand you.
>I didn't say that! >okay I said it but let me bring up something else!
lmao moron
1 week ago
Anonymous
Maybe quote actual things I have said instead of making up easier strawman to argue with. You're a big boy, you dont need unfair advantages. Or maybe you do, idk
1 week ago
Anonymous
already did, read the chain dumbass
1 week ago
Anonymous
Nah I'm done with you. You're basic. Come back if you have anything interesting to say.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>blatantly btfo >lies and dodges instead of owning up to it >I-I-I'm done with you
lmao how bad you holding back those tears buddy?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Sure.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Thought you were done-
oh thats right you conveniently change your tune with every post I guess that keeps things "interesting"
Why did you reply to my post if you weren't gonna engage? Why did I not reply to everyone? Because there would be like 200+ quotes and its easier and more elegant to just reply to the thread in general.
Thought you were done-
oh thats right you conveniently change your tune with every post I guess that keeps things "interesting"
Sure.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Is repeating the same word over and over interesting?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Personally yeah. You lack the ability to have basic discourse so I'm just going to not try anymore with you. Be better next time.
1 week ago
Anonymous
Rich coming from you. Is your english just that bad or do you actually think you're actually contributing to the discourse? >so I'm just going to not try anymore
now where have I heard that before?
1 week ago
Anonymous
Sure.
1 week ago
Anonymous
>claims to be out twice >still in
truly a master of the english language here
Deck and Switch are not competitors because the Switch gets along well with a PC, thanks to its exclusives.
I have a good PC, with an RTX3090, a super low latency monitor that allows me to get insane refresh rates, yet I still play Switch because of games that don't exist on PC, like Easy Come Easy Golf, Mario Maker, Tetris 99, etc. Of course, I can emulate some of these games, but while emulation is excellent in some cases, it's not capable of 1. reproducing part of the experience (the online part, for example), and 2. reproducing games outside the mainstream in an acceptable way (an example is Densha de Go, which runs like total shit on emulators).
You really think Nintendo is going to make a system as big, power hungry, and hot running as the Steam Deck?
It is going to be a relatively minor upgrade, with most of the gains put into being smaller, cooler, running longer on the same battery.
If the Switch is the OG 3DS, the Switch 2 is the New 3DS.
All they need is 4k 60fps, or 1080p 120fps. That gives both camps something to be proud about and anything about 1080p 60fps is just masturbation anyway.
Nintendo sells their fans literal cardboard. Whether Nintendo is dumb or not doesn't matter much, only how dumb their users are, and their users are very dumb.
This, anyone assuming a single thing is a literal moron wasting their own time. Until there's an actual paper showing the specs, we're just throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks.
Since when was there a switch 2? If it is not that much more powerful, than it will just be a slightly better clone that is still can’t handle unreal engine games.
Until Nintendo officially says something about it even fricking existing, it can't be ogre if it never started in the first place
Let's just chill for another 5 years for Nintendo to get ready, and then we can speculate
people don't care about power anymore. No one bought a PS5, every kid now just plays fornite, roblox or minecraft, the console wars are dead, and the only ones still fighting are childless men in their thirties. From a business standpoint I get why nintendo don't feel the need to increase power. They could release switch 2 with the exact same graphics chip and people would buy it.
>I feel like Nintendo is even making up numbers
the software sales do corroborate their revenue and profit numbers tho. there's no inconsistency big enough to make investors skeptic over their numbers at least. they were also announced as the richest company in all of Japan these days
Nintendo stopped making games for all ages and started making them for literal babies, normalgays and tendie manchildren. I swear in the past 15 years maybe like 5 Nintendo first-party games made ACTUALLY felt like Pre-Wii titles that weren't sterilized toddlershit
Genuinely, what have they made with ACTUAL edge, CONSISTENT difficulty, (not "baby mode for 99% of the game with one meme hard level at the very end") and wasn't gimmickshit? All I can think of is Tropical Freeze and
Metroid Dread, but those weren't even made by Nintendo they were made by Retro and Mercury Steam
I don't buy consoles based on what they can do. I buy consoles if they have games I want to play. This thing will have bing bing wahoo games, so I'll get it when those games come out.
Nintendo has been following the >instead of creating a more powerful console, do something original with cheap existing hardware
design philosophy since the fricking GameCube flopped
how is this news to anyone
>Focusing on making fun games instead of giving Mario 50000% more triangles (invisible to the human eye while causing FPS dips and full crashes) and being Toad's gay lover in the brown&grey post-apocalyptic Mushroom Kingdom (featuring walking segments and slow, downbeat acoustic guitar)
Based as always, play it loud. "Cinematic Interactive Experience" gays on suicide watch.
Hi! Peter Griffin here! This thread has devolved into quite a mess, so I'm gonna explain a few things for you to help clear this up.
You see, there's a particular individual dubbed "ACgay" by the Ganker Ganker community. He's given that name based on his professed love of the movie game series "Armored Core". Now, this ACgay has been quite vocal about his opposition to what are perceived to be cinematic events preventing him from playing video games. What's funny, is that he's being prevented from playing video games, by obsessively posting reductive arguments and webms on the internet, instead of playing video games. And I think that's pretty hilarious.
Very true. The other day he admitted that he critiques gameplay based on whether or not he likes the game's fanbase. Crazy how someone gets to this point.
I mean, I just played Signalis and thought it was really good.
I utterly loathe the Ganker threads, I just wanted to talk about the story or how to open that one safe, and all the threads were was shitty lesbian porn. That doesn't make the game retroactively bad, it only means it's just one I won't have a meaningful conversation about on Ganker. Why should what other people do affect your own fun? Consequently, I think the only good animal crossing game was the gamecube title but love the threads for animal crossing, best coom threads on the website by a mile
I think he's just incredibly autistic. He can't perceive people having a different opinion, is genuinely confused when people DO differ in opinion, and is hyper-fixated on his own preferences but shit at expressing them. I'd feel bad, except wait no I don't I'm literally so autistic I was used by the state as the case study of autism in children and I still had to learn on how not to be an butthole.
who the frick expects a nintendo console to be on the same level as a high-end pc in your palm
I'll be shocked if it's on the same level as a PS4
I'd say nintendo doesn't need to be powerful, but they're going to need a good reason to buy a switch 2 and I pray to god they're not going to force another shitty gimmick
>Still no next gen Gears of War >Still no next gen God of war >Still no next gen Fable >Still no next gen GTA >Still no next gen games
The Xbox series X and PS5 are so fricking powerful that we have literally no games because it takes too fricking long to make them. Frick power, give me a gimp machine that devs can actually make games for in a timely manner with out wasting years and years on moronic super graphics.
In the same way I am a PC elitist and frequently stop into topics to mention my 4090 and what a cheap piece of shit the PS5 and Xbox are, thirdies do the same with the Switch. I’m not looking for it but I promise the “Nintendo shitch” homosexual is here.
>overpriced >crap hardware >paid online >no games >when the new version comes servers will disappear
who the frick would get a nintendo tablet over a steam deck?
[...] >selling point of the switch was that it would focus on gameplay over le expensive graphics and cinematic novelization >now this is a bad thing and everything needs to be like Uncharted and Metal Gear
sigh
>selling point of the switch was that it would focus on gameplay over le expensive graphics and cinematic novelization
at this point you're just making shit up to complain
Then let me streamline my complaints. There is nothing wrong with complaining about a JRPG being bloated, especially when a JRPG fandom will complain about movie games being bloated and having too much exposition and dialogue.
>JRPG being bloated
being bloated in what sense? those games have some of the smallest budget in any non indie game >complain about movie games being bloated and having too much exposition and dialogue.
oh yeah I guess that comparing a 100 hours game with a 20 hours one is completely valid
>selling point of the switch was that it would focus on gameplay over le expensive graphics and cinematic novelization >now this is a bad thing and everything needs to be like Uncharted and Metal Gear
>implying that nintendo cares about graphics when they make games with stylized graphics over ultra realism >implying that if a game has cutscenes it's uncharted and metal gear
...
you can make something that isn't cinematic slop and have actual mechanics in a game that still has a story and graphics. your idea of a video game is just mechanics alone in a void. would you seriously play a game with no music and everything is just pixels in a black void if the mechanics were "fun"?
>implying that nintendo cares about graphics when they make games with stylized graphics over ultra realism >implying that if a game has cutscenes it's uncharted and metal gear
...
>JRPG being bloated
being bloated in what sense? those games have some of the smallest budget in any non indie game >complain about movie games being bloated and having too much exposition and dialogue.
oh yeah I guess that comparing a 100 hours game with a 20 hours one is completely valid
As a veteran gamer who grew up with the atari and nes and old redacted radar equipment hastily glued together, I suppose it's easier for me to garner an appreciation for pure gameplay. I would've been among those defending the switch for caring less about graphics and more about delivering a good game experience, if they didn't immediately shoot themselves in the foot trying to chase trends like le expensive anime movie cinematics. Even now it's easier to go back and enjoy a random Atari game, then touch a modern JRPG or snoy walk and talk sim. You may not think that JRPGs are bloated, and you may think they have small budgets, but there used to be a time when you could just play a game without exposition being endlessly shoved into your face.
>oh yeah I guess that comparing a 100 hours game with a 20 hours one is completely valid
I've played games like Terraria for 5000 hours, and they sure didn't need even a crumb of cinematic exposition. No offense, but Xenoblade doesn't have an excuse. No JRPG does.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
hasbro is moving forward? god damn, not again
>Performance might be on par or better due to optimisations tailored to its specifications
Nice clickbait fgt
>might
The fact that it might be on par means that it is. Deck is already showing its age with Legion Go and Ally sequels being developed. The Switch 2 is going to look like an absolute dinosaur compared to umpcs just around the corner.
Deck never was designed for AAA gaming, is aimed to finish your backlog of 5$ usd games
The switch was designed to ruin nintendo games while emulators with graphics settings can barely fix this shit.
>Deck never was designed for AAA gaming
>That webm quality
oof
Also modern AAA is trash anyway.
Why not try good games instead?
Witcher 3 was the first game I ran on the deck as a test for the hardware. Cranked it all up to ultra and came buckets.
Deck is honestly great for games like elden ring and other action rpgs people really don't comprehend its use case.
That just means it's still weaker but maybe if a game is optimized well enough it won't be as noticeable how weak it is. Devs could optimize for the deck as well if they wanted. All comes down to sales and how hard they try or if they care.
The same was said of the switch itself, and only Mario Odyssey and Dragon Quest bothered to put in the effort of bespoke optimization. Everyone else just decided 18fps was fine.
ToTK and BOTW running on Switch is far more impressive
>bespoke
Alright Wichard, settle down
>Performance might be on par or better due to optimisations tailored to its specifications
Wanna bet that still won't be able to run Breath of the wild above 30 fps? and yes I said Breath of the Wild and not Tears of the Kingdom
>Breath of the wild above 30 fps
It won't anyways because of the fact that botw has physics tied to frame rate you moronic secondary
Explain why I can play it at 60 on my deck without bugs moronic tendie
Because you're a liar. Both cemu, ryujinx, and yuzu do the same hardcoded fix of limiting the framerate in problem areas. If you're gonna attempt to btfo tendies at least be honest mongrel
Eat shit
Not to mention, that's just portable mode. Docked mode will be 2x more powerful that that. And that still doesn't take DLSS into account.
All of that's in a slimmer, cheaper, lasting longer on battery package.
You are aware that handheld mode for the switch is just it neutering itself to save battery life, right, it doesn't get any power the dock is just a port hub. If you think nintendo is going to be putting any actual power in the dock there's not a chance in hell of that happening, it would cost way too much.
More to the point it would frick with switching because now you're going to need to power cycle it so it isn't using this extra shit. It's the same reason they won't be adding storage themselves.
It's supposed to be seamless plug and play. Requiring people frick with it means less people want it.
It would also be unnecessary and wasted on the tons of people who'd only want it as a handheld. A bad idea all around.
You got it ass backwards.
It will be 3TF docked, clocked down to 1.5TF when portable (on par with Deck).
That's the entire point of it being a hybrid, unlike Deck which is just a handheld.
Actually it'll be 15 gigahomies clocked up to 5700 galacticnuggas when they introduce the super dock with every purchase for free. The deck, with its ability to just customize the settings whenever you want instead of it being forced on you, will not compete with switch2's dock made of solid black diamond.
>That's the entire point of it being a hybrid, unlike Deck which is just a handheld.
The Deck can be plugged into a TV or monitor you dumb fricking tendie.
There is an official dock from Valve as well.
It always amuses me how when a console or console peripheral gets a basic feature from pc that everyone takes for granted, it makes a huge fuss about it and the mindless tech illiterate masses fall for it in droves.
>You are aware that handheld mode for the switch is just it neutering itself to save battery life, right, it doesn't get any power the dock is just a port hub.
Yeah that's what makes it a hybrid. It operates on two levels without the need of external peripherals other than an hdmi for TV display.
Games will be developed down to the lowest capability. Because it needs to run portably. Then extra amount of "power" it gets from the dock will just give you better frame rate and resolution.
But everything else will have to be developed down to the portable specs.
That doesn't change much.
Games will be developed for 3TF docked and have lowered resolution and/or FPS to run at 1.5TF portable.
>will just give you better frame rate and resolution
You mean just resolution. Resolution kills frame rate.
It's why you hear so many morons complain about FPS in shit like BotW and TotK. They're playing docked while handheld has almost none of the problems they mention unless you go out of your way to cause it because it's not upping resolution.
Yes, if you surround yourself with enemies and light everything on fire it slows to a crawl but there's a reason everything is relatively spaced out. You're not intended to have much shit on the screen at once, let alone at higher resolutions.
with nintendo spyware
>devs outside of Nintendo's umbrella minus GameFreak
>optimization
Hilarious if true.
Given the massive strides in ARM chips recently, Nintendo is fricking kidding themselves if they think releasing with anything less than those new hyped up Qualcomm chips is viable.
Per-console optimizations are an out of date concept and largely originate from the period where consoles had meaningfully different architecture.
Modern consoles are average x86 PCs with a different API. I guess the Switch is instead an average ARM tablet with a slightly different API, but still.
How do grown men defend Nintendo. Like I get it I had nes, super Nintendo and Gameboy and my son and I played switch when he was little but wtf is this shit it's not even nostalgia is Manchin syndrome. My son is 13 and he dropped Nintendo years ago. You guys are all a bunch of Michael Jackson's whose childhood was stripped away so you became e-girl posting pedofiles. It's truly pathetic somebody prove me wrong.
It seems all your arguments failed so you moved on to ad hominems.
You don't even understand how to argue. Your entire base of support is homosexuals who open their mouth with excitement for pictures. It's an embarrassing community to be a part of as an adult just like this place is but for different reasons.
Sure.
I can tell with 100% certainty you've never been in a fist fight if you are a Nintendo fan boy. That's my point. I majored in political science like a complete fricking moron because I was completely blinded by Ron Paul. When people like you say strawman or ad hominem you just come across as some pseudointellectual homosexual that thinks winning is using buzzwords.
Sure.
They are pedophiles. Its why Nintendo had to remove the chat option and refuse to organize smash and pokemon tournaments
Based ninendoms having self respect. Snoys only want used up bawds.
Pokemon will still run at 16 FPS while running at PS2 graphics and resolution.
Don't care i'll still buy it
based loyal customer
why can I smell this image through my monitor? what is this wizardry?
The Switch was, and is, an absolutely dogshit console and an offensively cheap piece of garbage that is uncomfortable to play, had to get a class action to fix their controllers and has slightly less power than an Xbox 360.
And yet it sold incredibly well. The paypig public very clearly is happy to buy low quality slop, so Nintendo logically should continue to fill their trough with garbage.
buh buh buh but you can take it with you!! You just have to carry around this lump of flimsy plastic all day so you can play it on the bus or train for what is probably less than 30 minutes.
Trying too hard.
I know at least 13 people who own a switch. One of them has taken it out with them enough times to remember it. We've had this discussion a million fricking times because the one who does insists it's a huge selling point when in reality most people don't seem to give a frick.
Actual reality takes precedent over anecdotal reality. And actual reality states half of all switch users use the switch primarily in handheld mode which means about 70 million people seem to give a frick about portability. Btw portability doesn't mean only playing while on public transit or at the park. It just means it's not tethered to a power source.
>Btw portability doesn't mean only playing while on public transit or at the park.
It's a shame that playing it on public transit or at the park was the exact scenario in question then, isn't it? It's cool that you've got the stats on people using it undocked at home, but it's also not what I was talking about so I don't see why you're using it as a gotcha.
I see why
More like 70 million preferring handheld with only 14 million docking it, while the other 70 million have 21 million who play in handheld.
Yeah sure but what age group are you talking about here? Because that's the biggest reason I don't have a deck, a switch or any other handheld, because I'm an adult and I don't play games when I'm out of my house, and "no one" my age that I know gives a frick about it, but kids and parents of kids probably care about it a ton, and they are a pretty big part of Nintendo target demographic.
Switch has games. That's it.
Other consoles have all the power and yet can't use it at all.
>Switch has games
Really? Then where's Elden Ring, one of the best games in recent memory? Where's RE4 and Armored Core 6 ?
It has games, like Metroid Dread and Tears of the Kingdom and Mario Wonder. It just doesn't have the amazing games like the ones you mentioned. It's also missing Pizza Tower.
So it doesn't have games, most especially the ones that people actually care about and that are good.
It really depends. THe Ps3, Ps4 and PS5 all have games. It just so happens that alot of them are flat out terrible. Like I would highly recommend against playing shovelware like Uncharted or Princess Peach showtime.
>So it doesn't have games
It doesn't have those specific games.
>most especially the ones that people actually care about and that are good.
No it has plenty of those.
>So it doesn't have games, most especially the ones that people actually care about and that are good.
start by defining what "ones that people actually care about" means because the switch software sales are pretty good and people are buying those because they care about them
Nobody said switch has those games, lol
>he says it has games
>anon names games
>oh no we don't have those!
>he says it has games
yeah not all games
Common fricking sense. Expecting Nintendo to be on top of technology is a joke. The VITA was great, but even that was quickly abandoned due to not being able to handle PS3 tier games.
Deck was never "top technology". Surpassing Deck is not "top technology".
Vita had less than 1/10th of PS3's power.
>analyst
>bespoke
why do those digital foundry gays love saying 'bespoke' so much?
Trigger the chudcels like you.
It's a fun word to say, Anon. Go ahead, try it!
Richard is s right wanka
>things that literally no one would be surprised about
AMD is literally the of king of x86 SOC hardware. It's hard for anything Nvidia to make thats ARM to compete.
60FPS? What do you need 30FPS for? The human eye can't see past 24FPS. You liked OoT and that game also ran at 15FPS.
Sir, are you taking pictures of customers? I'm gonna need to ask you to leave. Let me see your phone then. Let me see it. No? Okay, then leave. No, I need you to leave now. Get out. I don't wanna see you in here again dude. Okay, bye!
release a deck 2, valve. the switch 2 is going to be whatever.
why is this surprising moron? nintendo will focus on battery duration over anything else
Deck is sold at a loss and Nintendo isn't going to sell hardware at a loss. They also aren't going to sell a $600 console to compete with an irrelevant PC peripheral.
A $400 tablet sold not-at-a-loss is guaranteed to be a piece of shit
There's a reason they keep delaying this thing. They had no competition when they released the Switch, now the market is saturated with shit that is more powerful and has a massive library
Nintendo would coast for the Switch into eternity if they could, convincing people to buy another underpowered tablet is a hard sell no matter how cheap
>There's a reason they keep delaying this thing
Because the current switch is still selling high teens millions each year so they don't need to rush out a successor.
Thats honestly why now would be a great time. Just release the switch 2 at like a way higher price so its future proofed with power then lower the price as the parts come down. Continue supporting the switch 1 and keep it as a budget option for kids and poor people. Almost every sony console has had a two year transition period and they're the best selling on average.
That's what the PS3 did, and it's Sony's worst selling home console.
Nah Nintendo does it better and is more successful doing it their way.
>is more successful doing it their way
um no? they're not even close look up any year sony always wins
info gets posted here all the time lurk more theres a noticeable trend
Now post profit
you post it
Revenue is useless information
There it is, the snoyBlack person seethe producer I was looking for
>revenue
most of Sony's revenue comes from mtx anyways. the switch is going to become the best selling console of all time by the end of the year
>more successful than the company with the best selling console of all time
Correct.
852 / 7 = 121 = 608 / 5 its a tie
Ah ok. Now divide PS2 by 2 because it was sold as a DVD player.
That was the same product though. Not necessary.
I disagree.
Do you have any idea how different modern snoy is than kutaragi era snoy lol, they went from a pitbull to a chihuahua, homosexual California troony company now. They couldn’t make a PS1 or PS2 cultural impact now if they tried.
So did microsoft tbf. Nintendo changed their turn during the wii and wii u era (though that was a different problem than the modern pozzed shit) but it looks like they'll probably be heading that direction soon.
If everyone sucks I guess the industry goes back to normal but the bar has been lowered through the floor and into the earths core. It’s time for Sega to then make a comeback with yet another iteration of the most moronic hardware known to man.
Nah valves still alright
The problem is valve doesn't make games beyond every other blue moon, they're pretty much just a storefront now.
True.
You fricking baboon, the underpowered tablet has killer software that these "ultra powerful" competitors WISH they had.
You buy a videogame machine to play videogames not to jerk off to the technical specs, which is why the Switch is still selling far more despite being a 7 years underpowered tablet.
It's not going up against the no games PS5 or xbone, it's going up against pc which has VASTLY more software that the switch wish it had and all the switch's and nintendo's software in general, but let's ignore that for now. Switch 2 isn't going to release with no other handheld on the market like the Switch did and have free reign for years, like the Switch did. It's going to immediately force comparisons, like it's already doing with the deck. If it doesn't stack up it's going to lose a lot of people before they buy in. There are not that many diehard dedicated Nintendo fans, most people bought the Switch for portability and the sheer number of games. If PC can do that better in its own handhelds now, that's a problem for Nintendo.
the switch fits in your pocket and ahs nintendo games. If someone primarily aligns with steam or PC games why would they play it on a handheld?
>the switch fits in your pocket
No it doesn't.
> If someone primarily aligns with steam or PC games why would they play it on a handheld?
Same reason everyone chose to play nintendo games on a handheld to the point nintendo had to kill off their home console line.
it fits in my pocket just fine
>Same reason everyone chose to play nintendo games on a handheld
back in....1995?
Nah they just transitioned to the vastly superior hybrid console line
>the switch fits in your pocket
homie you a giant or something
>going up against pc which has VASTLY more software that the switch
Same games as every other console minus some keyboard required RTS, early access, and Valve 1st party software. Your argument also works against the Steam Deck because steam deck is a vastly inferior PC compared to any laptop or desktop.
>Same games as every other console
???
PC has far more exclusives, organically, than all consoles combined. The amount of games on steam alone is well over ten times the switch's library.
>Your argument also works against the Steam Deck because steam deck is a vastly inferior PC compared to any laptop or desktop.
Just like the gameboy was vastly inferior to the nes and snes, yet sold more than both those systems combined. Or how the 3ds was inferior to the wii u, but sold 7 times as much.
>cheaper things sell more
wow, you really are on to something here. Ever considered a job in economics?
If you were smart you'd have used that to argue in favor of the switch
Nintendo hardware doesn't need PC games. It needs Nintendo games. And that's all it needs to move more units than Valve hardware.
This is always beyond wishful thinking. If people just wanted Nintendo software, Nintendo's home console line would still exist and it wouldn't have had constant flops. The one except to that in nearly the last 30 years was the Wii, which only sold to casuals because of a hardware gimmick.
Nintendo's home console line does exist. It's the Switch. Also it's portable lone exists as well. It's the Switch.
The switch is literally just a handheld with hdmi.
Don't be silly anon, obviously a DS or 3DS with a video out mod is a home console. Nintendo's advertising told says so.
What do you mean you don't just listen and believe advertising?!
It's a hybrid with an hdmi actually
They went from 2 lines to 1 line. However you want to argue semantics, that 1 line better hold or they're in trouble.
>They went from 2 lines to 1 line.
And outprofited both while offering a larger library of software. A case study on hardware excellence
>However you want to argue semantics, that 1 line better hold or they're in trouble.
Nah they'll just start over again like they did after the WiiU
>And outprofited both while offering a larger library of software
Again, consoles don't matter at this point. PC is eating everyone's lunch and Nintendo is primed to find that out, which is why I suspect they've been so quiet about the Switch 2 despite having no games this year.
>consoles don't matter at this point.
Yeah they do.
>PC is eating everyone's lunch
Looks like Xbox Series and PS5 are basically on mark with sales of their predecessors while Switch is greatly surpassing WiiU and 3DS. What are you basing this logic on?
No, you haven't thought it through.
Wii U didn't have Pokemon, 3D Mario, Animal Crossing, 3D Zelda (released on more popular hardware at the same time), Smash released on 3DS first. What it actually got released in between long software droughts due to Nintendo having to split resources between two systems.
Those issues don't exist anymore.
Wii U didn't, but N64 and GCN did. Nintendo's handhelds have historically crushed their home console line. The Wii U was just a return to the trend after the Wii.
Neither of them had Pokemon and Animal Crossing was nowhere as big. Wii U also added Splatoon which is another system seller.
N64 and GCN also had droughts due to having to support 2 systems.
Nothing changed about the Wii. The DS still murdered it.
The only thing the wii u didn't have was animal crossing or a mainline pokemon game. If botw had released on the wii u as an exclusive like originally planned it would've sold 5-6 million at best.
It had freaking mario kart, splatoon, smash (which is obviously a console experience) and mario maker which was a revolution at the time, and still no one bought it
Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is, much less have the technical know-how to understand such comparisons. And anyone who does understand would know that "power" isn't a single number. Switch 2 will have a custom OS, much lower-level APIs, and Nvidia-specific stuff like DLSS and increased RT performance. That's what really matters, not the TFLOPS.
>Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is, much less have the technical know-how to understand such comparisons
There we go, that's the real argument in Nintendo's favor. Nintendo will bank on consumer ignorance as they typically do, same strategy as Apple. But you can bet a lot more people are about to learn about the Deck and other competitors, or view them as a lot more attractive, when they're being asked to buy into another $400 system.
I wouldn't call it ignorance.
Switch 2 will be cheaper, lighter, have better battery life and the games will look and run better. Who cares if Deck has 1.65TF while Switch 2 has 1.60TF (portable)?
Pure wish fulfillment, you're not getting all that in a handheld, sacrifices will be made.
People thinking Deck is some sort of marvel of engineering never stop being funny.
Are you kidding? The screen was shit, the battery life was shit playing anything demanding, it's huge and it's more expensive. People like you just believe in magic until reality slaps you in the face and it's moronic.
No because people buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games. Valve doesn't offer that.
13 million do. The rest are buying it for portability and other games.
Tell that to the 60 million people who bought Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
MK8 is a horrible argument. If those 60 million people actually wanted it, they would've gotten it on the Wii U.
MK8D is a vastly superior game to MK8
you switchlets are hilarious
They're both MTX filled shit and not a reason I bought the Switch.
My post had nothing to do with you.
Just stating facts.
>My post had nothing to do with you.
>everyone cares about X on Y
>I don't
>I didn't mean you
Everyone means everyone.
cares about X on Y
Nobody said that
What MTX? There's the Booster Course Pass, but that's $25 for the same amount of tracks as the base game.
The 60 million who didn't buy a Wii U because they don't exclusively buy Nintendo exclusives, you mean? This just reads like Eric cope.
>blud doesn't know about the wii u
>13 million do
Decks sold? That number is inflated by at least 8 million. Either way that's considered a historical flop in the big leagues.
Anon...I thought you were trolling but now I think you're actually moronic, so let me break this down for you.
Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth, Nintendo does. This alone cripples its sales. Steam Deck isn't on shelves and doesn't exist for 90% of consumers because its mail order for people who are already in Valve's ecosystem, so it has terrible advertising as the only people who know about it are already customers. Valve has Zero, and I mean like literally zero not a single god damn 1, exclusive and good games to compel people to buy the steam deck.
I want you to think about that. Why the frick would someone pay 400 dollars to buy a console with no games? So it can play modern AAA slop at 1/10th the resolution, with worse frame rates and more compatibility problems? So they can play old games from 3+ generations ago that already run on their current smart phones? So they can play away from their computer for 2 hours until the battery dies?
The steam deck is akin to the playstation portal; it has its uses for people who want to move around their house while they play most of their games on their stronger hardware, but you would never buy that overpriced toy unless you were already a hardcore drone for the company in question. It is a niche piece of hardware, not some legitimate console. Specs mean nothing compared to games, as the fact the Switch is dominating the console market can show you.
>Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth, Nintendo does. This alone cripples its sales
Again, this is the right argument. The only one Nintendo has in its favor.
>muh exclusives
This is just that ignorance I was talking about. Exclusives are dogshit and not needed on PC, PC has all your games. But again, ignorance works for Nintendo, they make bank off it.
Anon, nintendo owns at least FOUR very strong brands that help carry their system. You have to be a complete Black person to ignore them. No amount of exclusives the PC has will outshine their brands. If what you said was actually true the switch wouldn't even sell as much as the original fricking xbox.
The hardware and portability is what sells all of them except perhaps pokemon, which is a system seller. The rest have all been on systems that have flopped and the most played game on the switch is still fortnite, same as everywhere else.
>PC has all your games
Meaningless when consoles have every PC game.
Cool where can I buy Slay anbd DXball on my Switch?
Oh, right, I can't.
Well exclusives don't matter, or at least someone told me that 1 post ago.
Exclusives don't matter for pc, because it gets all your games. For a console, that's all you got, so you cling to them.
Half of Steams top 10 selling 2023 titles were PC exclusives.
Uh huh
Nice try on moving the goalposts.
What they said doesn't matter, YOU just said there are no exclusives on PC. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
Ok bye
Even I have to call you out on that one.
Ok so exclusives matter. Glad we agree.
half of those statements are factually wrong
Steck Deck had multiple physical advertisement events. Steam has multiple exclusive games, Valve just doesn't pay for exclusitivity and of course there is nothing inherently exclusive to Deck.
Being away from your computer doesn't mean you have no energy source.
Phone comparisons are dumb because the mobile game market intersection is laughably small. At release
>Valve doesn't sell the Steam Deck in every country on earth
not gonna nitpick about "every country" but it makes sense to not do this. In many countries there is no money to be made, you only build brand reputation as a future investment.
>The steam deck is akin to the playstation portal
What's funny about this is the deck can literally do everything the portal does, and do it for the xbox and pc as well. The deck is an extremely capable device and if it were any other company than valve, there's nearly no end to the marketing bullet points you could run down to sell this thing to someone.
>What's funny about this is the deck can literally do everything the portal does
What's *really* funny about it is that it almost certainly was created to use up a lower bin of the PS5 chip run.
>Most people don't know what the frick a Steam Deck is
because it was an untested device. there was no advertising or store sales. you're just now starting to see these things in store rog ally is the most common
Steam Deck has been advertised on Steam's storefront since before launch to its 120 million active users and as of today it has managed to reach still less than 5% of them. And all of them sold didn't earn Valve a cent because they were all sold at a loss. There is no market for a successful UMPC. Your hope is based on spite.
Why did it flop and shit so hard?
The target demo it reached on steam is small, there is a very small crossover between people who want to play games on a PC and people who want a handheld portable PC to play games on, and that group shrinks even more when you remove people who would still rather just have a laptop for a portable option option for PC gaming.
It didn't. How many did you think they were expecting to sell?
homie that ain't advertising shut the frick up
>homie that ain't advertising
yes it is. it was also given for free in the goty event
>listing your product on your own store is advertising
Black person shut the frick up
It is
holy hell you're moronic so every ecommerce store is just constantly advertising their products all the time? Black person shut the frick up
Sorry bro, I'm right. Just gonna have to brush this one off and come back harder next time. Nothing personal.
Cool. Let me know when your ad agency that just tells companies to list their product on their site takes off. Can't wait to see you finally make it out your mother's basement.
Marketing to your own users is still marketing. You can say that it wasn't enough but it is marketing regardless.
marketing and advertising are two different things
Ok then steam advertised to their own users
They didn't.
Yeah they did.
It's funny how right you are but how wrong you are at the same time. The deck is kind of an autist hobbyist thing, most people looking for a handheld are looking for a plug and play experience, mostly parents looking for something for children, the new switch will also have a better price point and first party games, all that combined with the normie name recognition across generations I don't see a world where the steam deck has any effect on switch sales or vice versa. I don't have a horse in the handheld shit, but I wouldn't even consider the switch and deck as competing, their target audience has a pretty small overlap.
>The deck is kind of an autist hobbyist thing, most people looking for a handheld are looking for a plug and play experience
That's the thing, that's what the deck is and is getting better at all the time. It's what made deck such a big deal. The only reason the deck is not flying off the shells is because it's getting practically no marketing, is not in any retailers and isn't in most countries. That could change with the deck 2 if valve thinks it's ready for that, but even if it doesn't it kickstarted what valve wanted to achieve, which was better handheld competition for pc.
>the new switch will also have a better price point
The funny thing is you can get a deck for cheaper than a switch right now. Refurbished, sure, but cheaper because valve is being incredibly competitive with the price. The switch 2 is not going to be cheaper than the switch.
>things could change if valve changes them
Sure anything can change if it changes lol but as things stand now, Nintendo has far more name recognition than Steam or valve could ever hope for, if I showed my grandmother Gordon freeman she would be confused, if I showed her Mario she would know exactly who it was, that's my main point. Regardless of anything else Valve decides to do or not do marketing wise, Nintendo always will have a huge jump up on that front with non autists.
I disagree that the switch won't have a lower price point than the deck, and even if it is the same as a deck I would still doubt it wouldn't be lower than the next deck iteration, but will concede that it's possible for it to have a similar price point, but regardless of that I think the first point I was talking about matters sooo much more than you think it doesn't.
Valve doesn't have to market their own games. They can market games like BG3 and tens of thousands of others. Nintendo does have brand recognition with casuals, but Valve has a hell of a lot more leeway in what they can show off and sell something like the Deck with.
>I disagree that the switch won't have a lower price point than the deck
The Deck can already be officially bought right now for cheaper than a base Switch and Valve isn't even doing one of their sales which they've been pretty good about. This isn't a matter of disagreeing, it's a simple fact. They are being extremely competitive with the price.
Every UMPC has flopped including Valve's UMPC. Your hope is based on spite.
>based on spite
It's based on consoles no longer holding their games back. It's also overly optimistic hoping that the average person isn't stupid and just claps for whatever they see on tv/walmart and that their friends are buying.
Again, Nintendo has the die hard tendie gays in the autist camp, and they don't care about anything that isn't on Nintendo hardware, and the normie child audience also only really cares about their first title stuff and something like fortnite, which the switch can play. And the switch 2 will play, they have enough 3rd party support regardless of that just based on their brand recognition (which is part of why I personally believe valve made the deck in the first place, but that's a whole different thing) regardless so I don't see that as any sort of advantage for the deck
>a refurbished deck is less than a switch so the price point is better
Ehh, again I'll concede the price point thing is possible, but I'll believe it when I see it, Nintendo is great at peddling cheap shitty hardware, I Aldo never said the deck wasn't competitively priced, just that the switch will be cheaper, and that (or even a matching price point) paired with its extreme brand loyalty and recognition, will still result in better sales for the switch, I could be wrong here, but I would be surprised if I was.
>Again, Nintendo has the die hard tendie gays in the autist camp
I know, I used to be one of them. One of those 13 million who bought a Wii U. I've been with Nintendo through all their video game successes and failures. I have bought every Nintendo system up until this point. I'm not going to do that anymore because the Deck and PC is just so much better and I wish I did it sooner. Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but if that simple fact can be conveyed to the masses and the hardware readily available and easy for them to buy, then that'll be real interesting to watch.
>just that the switch will be cheaper
The Switch Lite is cheaper. But I have a very hard time believing that the Switch 2 will be less than the $270 you can get the cheapest Deck for. I'm expecting $400, at best $300 with some real caveats to reach that price, and that'll still give Valve a year or more to lower the price of the Deck even further.
>will still result in better sales for the switch
Oh I'm not arguing the Switch 2 won't outsell the Deck. It absolutely will due to the reasons you said, as well as actual marketing and retailer/country presence. Just that I think it's going to lose significant marketshare and that it feels like the beginning of the end times for consoles.
I can agree that there is room for a decent shift in the market when it comes to the switch 2, and newer decks, but I think the price point deal is going to be a large factor, and only really with the hobbyist audience, although when you lay out the numbers plainly, it is a more compelling argument that they will be comparably priced.
>less than the $270 you can get the cheapest Deck for
There's also no real downside to that deck, unlike a switch lite, which is just a kneecapped switch. The only difference is memory that you can easily replace or add to. Expecting the average person to do that is farfetched, but it's totally viable for anyone who should know better.
this wont deter nintendoids from buying another scam tablet. except this time it will even have DEI included in their playskool games.
Sorry about your console/brand/tribe. Its nothing personal. Nintendo is just really good at making video games and selling hardware for those video games. Pick a different enemy next time.
i played them on my pc, they were terrible except maybe zelda and mario? what else did they release? not much really. the pokemon games were borderline criminal, broken buggy and looked like a childs project.
I already knew you had vitriolic hatred for Nintendo. That's why I suggested you pick a different enemy.
yes i do hate them, because theyre not making good products anymore. stop buying their playskool tablets for $400 and waggle wii bullshit so we can get something good for once.
I don't care how you rationalize your hatered.
It didn't deter Valve fans from buying the Deck despite Valve contracting with Sweet Baby
im no valve fan, i think theyre homosexuals too. but nintendo products are just really bad now.
And Valve still told sweet baby to frick off when they demanded them to remove the curator
They didn't tell them shit, they just did nothing as they always do and will contract them again when it's time for another LGBT sale or if they bother to make another woke Half Life game like Alyx.
>did nothing
Not deleting a curator list should be the bare minimum expected of a platform. What should also be expected is not giving those homosexuals money in the first place.
Take the L with a shred of dignity
Why? It's all yours, after all.
Expecting anything more than disappointing out of Nintendo hardware illustrates how poorly you understand their history and business model
>Bros, is it ogre?
It might actually be better. Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance since they are so specialized and optimized. Even if it doesn't surpass a Steam Deck, getting close for a handheld would be nice. I won't stop having a PC as my main gaming center.
>It might actually be better. Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance since they are so specialized and optimized.
Anon are you mongoloid? honest question.
>Steam Deck is a PC, but consoles can squeeze almost 2x the performance
Bro that is not how it works. Consoles have the double edged sword benefit of very specific locked in hardware which means devs can optimize for them. But that's it. There's no magic performance gain or difference from pc. You want to know what else has that benefit? The steam deck.
>You want to know what else has that benefit? The steam deck.
And every other UMPC, desktop, tablet, and laptop. Valve should figure out how to compete with them before taking on a juggernaut like Nintendo.
Nintendo handhelds have just existed for me to play Pokemon and LoZ. Both franchises are trash now and I could get anything else on PC
They better fix the JOY CON DRIFT at least
Why do they keep doing it?
Why would I care what a homosexual has to say about consoles?
>muh specs
Switch already mogs the sneed deck, only pchomosexuals care for specs because they cant play games otherwise
>According to leaks
>Insiders say
>Industry veteran says
>Says analyst
Ignore articles that contain any of these things. Unless the "leaks" are a concrete set of files you can look at that give you some kind of real info like the pokemon datamining or the nintendo server leaks a few years ago that gave us all of the spaceworld shit, it's ALWAYS clickbait nonsense. This thread was made by someone trying to stir up shit when we don't even have any real info. Frick off, Black person
Switch pro anyday now anon, anyday now
Nintendo are cheap. I fully expected it to be less powerful because they don't want to sell at a loss. It will probably still sell gangbusters though just on brand name.
>switch
>has worse specs then Steam Deck
>focuses on games and not specs
>doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences"
>wins the generation
I wonder what the common theme is here
That you are disingenuously framing the issue.
how?
>doesnt waste hundreds of millions on AAA GaaS slop and "narrative experiences"
Soul
>soul
holy frick 20 hours? who plays this shit?
Ironically, people who enjoy "narrative experiences" like TLOU and Uncharted, which makes
ironic.
Based people
Not necessarily a good thing. I'd be embarrassed to play a game thats one third movie.
It's much higher than that. That youtube vid is just the straight up cutscenes. It doesn't count all the boring dialogue segments, or the FF7 style summons, that are 30 second long cutscenes.
>one third movie
Xenoblade is much longer than just 60 hours anon
>That youtube vid is just the straight up cutscenes
the videos contain bosses and combat tho
>the videos contain bosses and combat tho
aka cutscenes. See
yeah the game has animations. what about it ACgay?
Animations masquerading as gameplay, despite the lack of button presses. I don't have to tell you the problem with a 20 second long stint of """"gameplay""""" where the player isn't actually doing anything. And that happens at every single moment of combat. The player isn't actually doing anything, they're just sitting there as damage numbers pop up.
>Animations masquerading as gameplay
animations is part of the gameplay moron
>gameplay involves standing in one place while the game plays itself
Sounds like a "narrative experience" instead of a game.
>push buttons
>animation happens
>animation ends
>push buttons again
>push button
>20 second animation happens, without any button pushing required
>choose to use special attack with longer animation
>gets mad when the animation is longer
based moron
>claims that longer animation is 100% gameplay
>when there's no button presses required whatsoever and goes on so long that you can put the controller down and take a piss while it's playing out
Why would you consider "longer animations" to be a good thing? That's like arguing in favor of longer load screens.
>claims that longer animation is 100% gameplay
well they are part of the gameplay. you deliberately choose to use those longer, often stronger, attacks to deal more damage
>when there's no button presses required
well I guess that QTEs are gameplay now right doug?
>well they are part of the gameplay. you deliberately choose to use those longer, often stronger, attacks to deal more damage
The animation is punishing me for using those stronger attacks, by removing gameplay and forcing me to watch cinematic shit. How is that fun?
>well I guess that QTEs are gameplay now right doug?
The fact that this makes a QTE look good in comparison should be alarming to you. Sadly, even when there is a button press sprinkled in here and there, Xenoblade still manages to botch it with an atrocious gameplay/cutscene ratio of 1:100, while giving the player as little agency as possible. At the end of the day, you're arguing that you'd rather watch the game then play it. That makes it a "narrative experience" the very thing that
complained about.
Not a cutscene.
>The animation is punishing me for using those stronger attacks, by removing gameplay and forcing me to watch cinematic shit
then play on "hard mode" and don't use them
>At the end of the day, you're arguing that you'd rather watch the game then play it.
nope. never said that
>never said that
Then why not remove these segments? What purpose do they serve other than to pander to the *gags* narrative experience crowd?
Because cutscenes like strafing left for 8 second while watching a cinematic cutscene are "ludo kino" or whatever. Fans (like you) love them.
>Then why not remove these segments?
because the devs want that in the game. I want them as well, I like those animations
>What purpose do they serve
to look cool
>narrative experience crowd
you think that JRPGs appeal to the people that care about ultra realistic cinematic games?
>because the devs want that in the game. I want them as well, I like those animations
But they're depriving you of potential gameplay. Why argue for their inclusion? Especially when they'll go on for minutes without player interaction? Isn't gameplay the most important part of the medium?
>to look cool
That doesn't make a game better. Thats like arguing in favor of expensive, realistic graphics. You're just wasting time and money.
>you think that JRPGs appeal to the people that care about ultra realistic cinematic games?
Both crowds hate gameplay, that's why they do everything to avoid it. It's a match made in heaven.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>But they're depriving you of potential gameplay
20 seconds isn't depriving me of anything really. besides they look cool
>That doesn't make a game better.
that's a nice opinion but I disagree
>Thats like arguing in favor of expensive, realistic graphics
no? I think realistic graphics are the opposite of cool
>You're just wasting time and money
these games aren't expensive to make and considering that monolith soft is working on multiple projects at the same time having two games in the same generation is pretty good
>Both crowds hate gameplay
source? because I know that people that like JRPGs like turn based games, which contains a lot of gameplay
>20 seconds isn't depriving me of anything really. besides they look cool
How is it cool to NOT play the game? If it was fun, you would want more gameplay.
>no? I think realistic graphics are the opposite of cool
They're in the same boat, they're excess not making the game better.
>these games aren't expensive
So it wasn't sold at 60 dollars, with obscenely expensive DLC?
>source? because I know that people that like JRPGs like turn based games, which contains a lot of gameplay
And yet you are arguing for the inclusion of non-gameplay, so much of it that you spend hour after hour NOT playing the game. IF you liked the game, the very thought of a cutscene interrupting you should be like boiling hot acid hitting you in the face.
After all, you did complain about "narrative experiences". You can't turn around and change your mind.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>How is it cool to NOT play the game?
But I am playing the game. I chose to use that attack and I see it dealing damage to the enemy
>They're in the same boat
nah. good animations is a pretty important thing in a game
>So it wasn't sold at 60 dollars, with obscenely expensive DLC?
it was sold at 60 dollars and had 30 dollars DLC that added 30 hours to the game. the price of a game doesn't reflect on their budget tho
>And yet you are arguing for the inclusion of non-gameplay
that wouldn't even mean that I dislike gameplay. you can like more than one thing you know?
>IF you liked the game, the very thought of a cutscene interrupting you should be like boiling hot acid hitting you in the face
sounds like projection
>But I am playing the game. I chose to use that attack and I see it dealing damage to the enemy
It's not gameplay though. I should be having more button presses. Every single last moment should be something that I'm actively influencing. If there's any more than a 5 second delay in button presses, then I'm not having fun.
>nah. good animations is a pretty important thing in a game
That's just gaslighting by graphics designers looking to get paid. A game can look like an atari game, with nothing but t posed characters hitting eachother like they were in a gmod video, and it would still be better than overproduced cinematics.
>it was sold at 60 dollars and had 30 dollars DLC that added 30 hours to the game.
Exactly. Spent way too much money on too little of a return.
>that wouldn't even mean that I dislike gameplay.
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. "-Mathew 6:24 Figured this was appropriate because of all the religious references in Xenoblade.
>sounds like projection
More like having your priorities in order.
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>It's not gameplay though
yes it is. I use the attack, I see it happening. simple as
>That's just gaslighting by graphics designers looking to get paid
what good games have you played that don't have any animations?
>A game can look like an atari game
if it's a good game yes it can be whatever it wants
>No one can serve two masters
well video games aren't my masters, they're leisure. jesus doesn't say you can't enjoy/like two things, but that's you can't worship both and I'm not here to worship video games
>Spent way too much money on too little of a return.
I don't know but two 100 hour games in a generation seems pretty good to me
>More like having your priorities in order.
nah. it sounds like you can't accept that people don't agree with you
>I use the attack, I see it happening
That's no different from walk-and-talk segments in a western game. "I'm technically pressing forward, it's gameplay!" Again, it's hypocritical to complain about narrative experiences, while arguing that cutscenes belong in an interactive medium.
>what good games have you played that don't have any animations?
Pong, Tetris, Minecraft, the list goes on. Modern gamers have been suckered into thinking that games need to be pretty.
>well video games aren't my masters,
Missing the point. Where a cutscene exists, gameplay cannot exist. You are thus pushing out one to embrace the other.
>I don't know but two 100 hour games in a generation seems pretty good to me
And 90 hours of that was cutscenes. Just doesn't seem like a valid return on investment.
>nah. it sounds like you can't accept that people don't agree with you
I'm just pointing out hypocrites. You don't get to complain about narrative experiences while championing JRPGs, which are objectively unable to function without their narrative. The gameplay is so terrible that it falls apart in seconds.
>That's no different from walk-and-talk segments in a western game
it is. the walk and talk sequence doesn't give me a choice. in combat I can chose to use or not those attacks
>Again, it's hypocritical to complain about narrative experiences
I don't complain about them, I just don't play them
>Pong, Tetris, Minecraft, the list goes on
pong and Minecraft objectively have animations. what do you think you see when a creeper walks or when you attack? I'd say that Tetris is debatable since the most animations we see is the player turning the blocks
>Missing the point
no it isn't. you're incorrectly using the quote. that quote is about worship and worship only. one person can like multiple things even if they're opposite.
>And 90 hours of that was cutscenes
no it isn't
>I'm just pointing out hypocrites
where?
>The gameplay is so terrible that it falls apart in seconds.
in what sense exactly?
>it is. the walk and talk sequence doesn't give me a choice. in combat I can chose to use or not those attacks
Does the combat give me the option to kill off the characters, so they stop talking? Because no matter they never stop making snarky quips. Is there also an option that involves me more in combat? Autobattling is boring. There's not even any verticality. For a non-turn based series, you just sit on a place and watch the characters autobattle without you. It's a glorified cutscene.
>I don't complain about them, I just don't play them
i literally linked you to a post complaining about narrative experiences.
>pong and Minecraft objectively have animations. what do you think you see when a creeper walks or when you attack? I'd say that Tetris is debatable since the most animations we see is the player turning the blocks
The point is that their budgets are rock bottom, and can be made with a few people, max. No game should need nor demand more.
>that quote is about worship and worship only
Well, I hate to say this, but you're kind of worshipping the cutscenes and story. You directly imply that the games would not be playable without them. like lacking context would suddenly suck away all of the fun from the gameplay.
>in what sense exactly?
See above. You should be able to enjoy a game even if there was no graphics, music, story, menues, title screens, or anything. The bare gameplay should be all that matters. When you don't adhere to this, you end up with snoy movieshit, where the spectacle is more important than the substance.
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Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>Does the combat give me the option to kill off the characters, so they stop talking?
???
>i literally linked you to a post complaining about narrative experiences
???
>The point is that their budgets are rock bottom
no the point is that they have animations. objectively. also care to show their budgets? because mojang as of today has 600 employees and they're still working on minecraft 10 years after the original release
>Well, I hate to say this, but you're kind of worshipping the cutscenes and story
again this sounds a lot like projection
> You directly imply that the games would not be playable without them.
I think I directly said the opposite. I literally said that a game can be anything as long as it's good
>You should be able to enjoy a game even if there was no graphics, music, story, menues, title screens, or anything
what game do you like that has no interface?
>???
the point is that the movieshit encompasses pretty much all of the gameplay, and is forced on me without consent. The cutscene attacks are just a tiny bit of the problem.
>also care to show their budgets?
Minecraft was made by one guy and maybe some of his friends. Once they bloated mojang and brought Microsoft into the mix, it got objectively worse. All that money and fancy technical prowess didn't bring anything to the table.
>again this sounds a lot like projection
If it was, then you should have no problem with me hating the cinematics and non-gameplay.
>I literally said that a game can be anything as long as it's good
Then the game should be able to function without the cutscenes.
>what game do you like that has no interface?
I like games like Terraria and TF2, where you can downgrade the graphics and strip all the elements out until it's nothing but purple error messages and developer textures. None of that matters as long as the gameplay is good, and the difference here is that I'm not arguing that the games can't function without it. Infact I'd argue that the games would be better without the graphical clutter.
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>play a game
>enjoy the cutscenes so that the story beats allow you to take a quick mental break while also immersing you in this new virtual world you're exploring
>replay the game
>skip all of the cutscenes because you already know what happens and now merely enjoy the juicy gameplay
This is the winning move, and to say otherwise is gay
>play the game first time
>ignore the story in its entirety because story in a video game can never be good no matter what
ftfy
>you consented when you bought the game. why would you play a game you dislike anon?
You're the one trying to argue that it's a masterpiece, I merely disagreed and explained why.
>yeah it was made by notch but the game is still being worked on this day.
Yeah, by Microsoft. That's why it got worse.
and it can survive without cutscenes
No, not really. The sheer hostility shown at the notion of removing the cutscenes will immediately disprove that notion.
>I'm pretty sure you can't do that on those games
Terraria lets you mod everything out and remove the entire graphical interface. As for TF2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67LPSFtVlsk
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>You're the one trying to argue that it's a masterpiece
care to point where I've said that? I don't think I've used this word at all
>Yeah, by Microsoft. That's why it got worse.
so what was the budget?
>The sheer hostility shown at the notion of removing the cutscenes will immediately disprove that notion.
what hostility?
>Terraria lets you mod everything out and remove the entire graphical interface. As for TF2:
you ... you understand those games still have graphics right?
>care to point where I've said that? I don't think I've used this word at all
If you don't think that, then you should have no problem with me saying that it's no masterpiece, or not even close.
>so what was the budget?
10 dollars. Source: Notch's twitter.
>what hostility?
This thread's a good example. People respond with so much hate because I say that the games waste too much on excess.
>you ... you understand those games still have graphics right?
Don't get cute with me. You know what I mean. The textures could look like ultra realistic 4k images, or they could just be pixellated trash, and nothing would change. Nobody plays these games for the graphics, which is why they're so easily interchangeable.
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>then you should have no problem with me saying that it's no masterpiece
like I said I don't care about what you think anon
>twitter
sounds a little too low since he said he'd sell Mojang for two billion
>People respond with so much hate because I say that the games waste too much on excess.
I don't see that happening anywhere
>You know what I mean
no I don't. how could I possible know? you mentioned games without a graphical interface and you used the game having customizable UI and textures as an example. that's just plainly wrong
>like I said I don't care about what you think anon
Then what's with the hostility?
>sounds a little too low since he said he'd sell Mojang for two billion
That was Microsoft overspending for no reason. They love wasting money.
>I don't see that happening anywhere
It's why people call me a gay. They say it's wrong to focus on gameplay above all else, which is HEAVILY ironic considering the thread. People here are like "the switch 2 doesn't need more power, the gameplay is what's important" but to spite me, they suddenly turn around and argue that graphics and storytelling and music are so damn important.
>you mentioned games without a graphical interface and you used the game having customizable UI and textures as an example
The point is that the graphical interface isn't important. Hence why it can be removed.
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Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>Then what's with the hostility?
what hostility anon? I don't think I've attacked you in this entire conversation
>That was Microsoft overspending for no reason
well notch himself set the two billion dollars price
>It's why people call me a gay
I don't see that happening here either
>The point is that the graphical interface isn't important. Hence why it can be removed.
again you're confusing having a graphical interface with having UI/textures. you see the gameplay through the graphics. and unless these games become black screens controlled by inputs I don't see how they don't have graphics. vidya is an interactive media
>what hostility anon? I don't think I've attacked you in this entire conversation
It's more a general hostility. You'd think a fandom that complains about narrative experiences and movie games would be more sympathetic to someone who hates JRPG cutscene excess.
>well notch himself set the two billion dollars price
Well, Microsoft was silly for buying it at that much. Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
>I don't see that happening here either
ctrl+f "acgay". 5 results minimum.
>"vidya is an interactive media but it's also a visual one"
And what good are the visuals when they get in the way of the gameplay?
>It's more a general hostility.
I have no idea what you're talking about
>a fandom
or who you're referring to
>Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
the fact that it was simple enough so that they could port the game to mobile. prior to the mobile version I'm pretty sure the game sold around 40 million units but after that they managed to get it to 300 million (technically they count the sales of every Minecraft version together but not may people played the Minecraft story game so it's not relevant)
>And what good are the visuals when they get in the way of the gameplay?
try playing minecraft, terraria or TF2 blindfolded and see what good are the visuals
>I have no idea what you're talking about
It's a general sentiment of the fandom. They get angry at the mention of Nintendo games suffering from excess and wasteful spending.
>the fact that it was simple enough so that they could port the game to mobile. prior to the mobile version I'm pretty sure the game sold around 40 million units but after that they managed to get it to 300 million
None of this inflated the budget, which is why it was so cheap to make. No ultra realistic graphics or cinematic storytelling or even voice acting. That's all time and money saved which is a good thing.
>try playing minecraft, terraria or TF2 blindfolded and see what good are the visuals
I'd honestly have a better time than playing a bloated snoy movie.
>Aren't you the one who admitted yesterday that you attack fanbases you don't like by saying the games they like suck?
Incorrect. I judge a game more harshly depending on the fanbase. I try not to at first, and judge the game by its own merits. But if it's a mediocre game, and the fandom doesn't help, then it's gonna hurt the score.
And only a mediocre game would sell on graphics and storytelling and anime breasts.
>Incorrect. I judge a game more harshly depending on the fanbase
That's what I said. You critique gameplay unfairly when you don't like the people who play the games. Essentially you're critiquing the fanbase and not the game itself.
Also since you're talking to me again: Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>It's a general sentiment of the fandom
why are you even talking about fandoms here?
>None of this inflated the budget
well the port didn't come from nowhere. the updates that the game got over the years didn't either. the budget for a game that is in constant development is in constant growth, with mojang having hundreds of employees basically just to work on minecraft
>I'd honestly have a better time than playing a bloated snoy movie.
but if you don't play these games like that all the time you're still playing with graphics. don't you see how silly this all is?
>why are you even talking about fandoms here?
the fandom regularly complains about narrative experiences, and yet they defend JRPGs. It's hypocritical. And I blame the whole fandom for this logical contradiction, since not enough people call it out.
>well the port didn't come from nowhere. the updates that the game got over the years didn't either
I don't count the game after a certain point of development, since it got way too bloated. I only uphold early Minecraft as a good example of not wasting money on the budget.
>but if you don't play these games like that all the time you're still playing with graphics
I have no attachment to the graphics. They can be taken away at will, and it doesn't bother me. That's what I'm trying to get across.
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>the fandom regularly complains about narrative experiences
Then you have a lot in common with them.
At least I'm not arguing for the inclusion of hours of unnecessary cutscenes.
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>narrative experiences, and yet they defend JRPGs
give an example of a narrative experience
>I don't count the game after a certain point of development
you can't arbitrarily choose that. that isn't the product that achieved everything the most recent version did
>I have no attachment to the graphics
so you only play these games blindfolded?
>give an example of a narrative experience
Any game where the story is given way too much importance over the gameplay, to the point where large swathes of the game are dedicated to exposition. Uncharted, Modern Tomb Raider, TLOU, etc. I figured Nintendo fans would be on my side with this, but the industry found out that people will buy movie games en masse if they have anime breasts in them.
>that isn't the product that achieved everything the most recent version did
You're right. The most recent version is basically a new game compared to the old version. That's why I like the old version. Pre-hunger. I'd rather not have the new features if Microsoft is gonna bungle the whole thing.
>so you only play these games blindfolded?
Takes skill, but yes. My gaming skill is "heckin poggers" as the young kids would say.
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
>Uncharted, Modern Tomb Raider, TLOU
don't you think it's silly to compare those games with JRPGs in general seeing that they're longer?
>I figured Nintendo fans would be on my side with this
so you think only nintendo fans dislike those and like JRPGs?
>Takes skill, but yes. My gaming skill is "heckin poggers" as the young kids would say.
so why were you mentioning the games taking away UI and textures if you don't even see them?
>don't you think it's silly to compare those games with JRPGs in general seeing that they're longer?
Length doesn't mean anything. If Uncharted was 1000 hours long, would that redeem the terrible gameplay or bloated and obnoxious story? A ratio only justifies so much.
>so you think only nintendo fans dislike those and like JRPGs?
With the upmost respect, a rational person would dislike both. Or at least understand the core failing of a JRPG, which is that it "wants to tell a story". That should already be a red flag for any gaming enthusiast.
>so why were you mentioning the games taking away UI and textures if you don't even see them?
For the challenge.oh, and less space used in memory. Textures are expensive.
>Length doesn't mean anything
it really does. it's how people measure if a game is a movie game or not
>terrible gameplay or bloated and obnoxious story
I think both are subjective statements
>a rational person would dislike both
that doesn't really answer my question
>For the challenge
how is it a challenge if you weren't seeing them to begin with
>it really does. it's how people measure if a game is a movie game or not
A game that's 1000 hours long means nothing if that 1000 hours is terrible. Especially if it's fake gameplay, where there's no challenge and it's just a piece for exposition to be pushed in your face. I'll take a 5 minute long game over the longest cinematic experience.
>that doesn't really answer my question
It's not just Nintendo fans who should hate cinematic walk and talks, but it's hypocritical for anyone to turn around and worship JRPGs.
>how is it a challenge if you weren't seeing them to begin with
That's the challenge.
>A game that's 1000 hours long means nothing if that 1000 hours is terrible
well according to your idea a 1000 hours game with 20 hours of cutscenes could be awesome for 980 hours
>worship JRPGs
I think the term worship is a little strong here. these are some of the worst selling genres in the entire gaming landscape. that's why their budgets are pretty small
>That's the challenge.
disabling visual components when you're already blindfolded isn't a challenge
>well according to your idea a 1000 hours game with 20 hours of cutscenes could be awesome for 980 hours
Means nothing if the gameplay is bad.
>I think the term worship is a little strong here. these are some of the worst selling genres in the entire gaming landscape. that's why their budgets are pretty small
and yet any criticism is regarded as heresy, as if these games can never be commented on in a negative light.
>disabling visual components when you're already blindfolded isn't a challenge
Different strokes for different folks.
>Means nothing if the gameplay is bad
but turn based combat isn't necessarily bad
>and yet any criticism is regarded as heresy
no, you're just taking this too seriously.
>Different strokes for different folks.
how is that even applicable here? if you're playing a game blindfolded, which you claim you are, disabling the other options don't change anything
>but turn based combat isn't necessarily bad
It is, if it's reliant on cinematics and spectacle.
>no, you're just taking this too seriously.
I just hate hypocrites.
>how is that even applicable here? if you're playing a game blindfolded, which you claim you are, disabling the other options don't change anything
It's personal preference. Don't worry too much about it.
Hi you seem to be ignoring me.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
Armored Core 6 coming out basically ruined ACgay. I'm loving it
>It is, if it's reliant on cinematics and spectacle
they aren't. you could have those games without a story
>I just hate hypocrites.
again taking this way too seriously
>It's personal preference
no it isn't. it's a redundant thing
>they aren't. you could have those games without a story
Then the fandom should stop getting angry at the idea that the games should have less cutscenes. Their actions betray their words.
>again taking this way too seriously
I disagree.
>It's more a general hostility
Aren't you the one who admitted yesterday that you attack fanbases you don't like by saying the games they like suck? Why the hostility?
>Prior to the buyout, what was in the game that really justified a 2 billion dollar price tag?
potential
oops. Meant to say "vidya is an interactive media but it's also a visual one"
>the point is that the movieshit encompasses pretty much all of the gameplay
???
>and is forced on me without consent
you consented when you bought the game. why would you play a game you dislike anon?
>Minecraft was made by one guy and maybe some of his friends.
yeah it was made by notch but the game is still being worked on this day. also show the budget
>then you should have no problem with me hating the cinematics and non-gameplay
I don't care about what you think anon
>Then the game should be able to function without the cutscenes.
and it can. most JRPGs, and RPGs in general, would be just grinding without the story/cutscenes but grinding in turn based games is fun
>I like games like Terraria and TF2
they still have an interface
>where you can downgrade the graphics and strip all the elements out until it's nothing but purple error messages and developer textures.
I'm pretty sure you can't do that on those games
homie minecraft is the slowest fricking game ever, "Oh you want to break a block? Well instead of clicking the block and it disappearing because that would allow for more gameplay time, instead you have to stand completely still and hold the left mouse button anywhere from 1-15 seconds, sounds fun? Now do this literally thousands of times".
You don't even have consistency in your arguments, you ultimately just shitpost "game I like=good, game you like=bad" with flowerly dumb language to attempt to sound smart and bait replies. Which is fine, I too like to shitpost about games you don't like but it feels like we can't have one fricking thread without your autism.
Go outside already, jeez
>Not a cutscene.
Well it is actually, according to you. Why is this such a difficult subject for you? You freeze up every time I ask you.
>Why would you consider "longer animations" to be a good thing?
Well you did, for one. Remember that webm you posted of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? You called it ludo kino or something like that. That's autism for "I like this" right?
Gigachads
>all cutscenes
eww
People who enjoy moviegames like Half-Life 2
SOUL
Maximum soul for when Valve used to make premium moviegames for us gamers.
Why does Gordon need to be saved by a mystery meat female?
>200 hours RPG has cutscenes
and?
>200 hour RPG has 190 hours of cutscenes
That's kind of a problem.
>190 hours of cutscenes
where?
see
that video doesn't show 190 hours of cutscenes doug
Cutscenes are bad for games.
>it might be worse but actually it might be the same or it could be better
Riveting stuff
How? Steam Deck is $300 device with years old hardware. How could a next gen handheld be worse? Nintendo has got to be the most israeli corporation in the world.
Steam Deck is $399 and the base model sells at a loss.
>How?
Because its a moronic clickbait article using anonymity as its source and you being a double moronic homosexual for biting it.
>using anonymity as its source
Everything that being talked about is either guesswork or from leaked info that's now 2 years old meaning any shit could change. Right now nobody is going to get anything right except that nintendo is going to profit off their newest successor hardware from day fricking 1. But even that might not happen since now you have to pay to go online like with the other console manufacturers.
Thats make it worse as the vid literally agreed that the leaked spec is better than SteamDeck.
>Nintendo has got to be the most israeli corporation in the world.
The Switch its a scam, this generation they won because the competency have 0 games
...not that anyone needed an analyst to figure that out, right? right?
>easy to emulate Nintendo handheld
this is good news
Only if it has a day 0 exploit for CFW devs to utilize (it won't)
Investors won’t let that happen. If it’s inferior to the cheap ass Deck, they’re going to pull investments if they can’t force board members to step down
I hope Switch 2 get cracked as early as the original.
Tough luck. Switch only got cracked so fast because it used a chip with a security hole that was well documented and exploited a year before it even released.
Switch 2 uses a custom SoC.
I will laugh when they find another one.
They didn't with any of the Switch revisions which is why soldering a chip for CFW is your only option V1 and up (said chip only exists due to knowhow from the original day 0 hack).
Me too because it will guarantee over 100m sold units if its crackable day one like OG switch was
The SoC they're using is technically custom as well anon.
Being customized doesn't mean it lacks the security flaws present in the base.
You can customize your PC set up all you like but it still has all of the same security flaws as the release version unless you went through and fixed them yourself.
>Switch pro will only be a small upgrade meant to bridge a couple year gap
Whoa!
This thing will be so utterly fricked with all the mandatory dlss.
You say that like the Deck doesn't include FSR directly in the OS.
Except it's opt in. Every Switch 2 game will ship ruined.
This is quite likely.
The deck is not sold with a big margin, only via valve direct and starts at approx.. 500 USD for the OLED model.
Nintendo wants to earn on HW and sells the consoles at retailers or online stores who also need to earn something in each console sold.
Even if the Switch 2 is the same price as the Deck, it would probably be less powerful, as those 500 USD would include margins for two parties vs. hardly any margin.
In reality, the Switch 2 will probably only cost 400 USD max. So yes, it's likely way less powerful then the Deck.
I'm still debating on whether I should send my switch in for repairs and pay the 111$ or just wait for the new console. I would like to finish TotK but I'm not dying too or anything. I also didn't finish Kirby.
>Can't Compete With Western Techology
Doesn't surprise me. It should at least be as powerful as the Xbox One though.
How absolutely ass raped shitter shattered buck broken is this board going to be by another decade of famitsu threads where the ps5/ps6 gets bodied on a weekly basis.
>where the ps5/ps6 gets bodied on a weekly basis.
Good I hope it does along with nintendo's trash hardware so they can stop holding games back and being giant israelites.
This was always going to be the case
>Nintendo sells their devices not only at profit, but a relatively large one.
>They tend to sell their devices cheaper compared to other consoles in order to appeal to families to buy multiple devices, one for each kid.
>The device needs to be small and light so younger children can use it
>Needs to have an acceptable level of battery life.
>Adding more power would just add to development costs, which Nintendo wants to keep down relative to other companies.
>company who wins with worse technology since the:
NES/TG16
SNES/Genesis (although colors and the Genesis sound chip filtered Americans)
Gameboy/game gear
N64/PS1/Saturn (really debatable here, they all excelled at something the others didn’t (2D and arcade games for Saturn before you Black folk green text the Saturn))
6th gen lost to PS2 but handhelds continued to mog
DS vs PSP
Wii vs 360/PS3
>Pii U lmao
3DS vs vita
Point is they’ve never been afraid to roll out shit hardware, they learned early on that the name of the game is the games. Switch 2 could just be switch 1 with a coat of paint and it would still sell gangbusters for bing and Zelda. Switch 2 is gonna move a frick ton of units if it isn’t a total failure on the tier of the Pii U, you guys need to come to terms with it already. If it can run PS4 games more or less like the leaks claim then it’s even more likely to do serious numbers.
Lateral thinking with withered technology is why they’re so fricking cash rich and basically not anywhere near at risk financially if they had a dozen flops console wise.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm excited for the Switch 2 and I'm glad it's going to be a weaker device. Nearly every game I play could run on the Vita. The obsession with chasing power is killing the industry.
>The DS beat the PSP
The PSP was the best handheld ever made when it came out, if it had a second joystick it would have been basically perfect.
I love the PSP and play the games constantly. The DS still sold more. I’m not trying to sales gay i consider myself a console agnostic /vr/ gay for the most part although I love the Wii, DS, and PSP dearly (after that things really start backsliding industry wise imo). Only reason I said all that was to show that historically Nintendo doesn’t mind rolling worse hardware out. The PSP was a technological marvel at the time imo, especially when you look at what phone gaming was like then and the multimedia capabilities of it.
Oh okay that is a fair point
All I'm saying is they better have a killer launch library. If they shit the bed on that we'll have another Wii U.
Which post are you conceding to? I just want to make sure I'm tallying my wins correctly.
No one, I'm just pointing out that if they have a handheld similarly priced to the deck that has less power without any pluses, then they're fricked.
Yeah but that wasn't your first post in this thread. Who did you lose to?
This. I can only imagine that's why this year is barren as hell and they've taken so long without so much as a hint of it. If they don't come out of the gates swinging immediately at launch that'll be a huge mistake.
I disagree.
If you disagree that they should have a good launch lineup you are kind of stupid.
We already know they're gonna have the biggest mario kart ever and a new 3d mario. Splatoon and animal crossing are guarantees along with unconnected shit like kirby, fire emblem, warioware, xenoblade and pokemon. It'll be fine. They really only need 1 "nintendoy" game like donkey kong or fzero to excite people.
I think aside from the first-party launch title, they need a bunch of ports at launch to fill the catalog much easier too; stuff from FromSoft, GTA 5, or Monster Hunter Wilds port announcement for the system for example.
Power doesn't matter and never has. 40 years of gaming history proves this.
Imagine giving a shit about the Switch 2
https://thatparkplace.com/nintendo-of-america-localization-job-listing-requires-awareness-of-culturalization-and-dei-related-topics/
https://sweetbabyinc.com/client/valve-2/
Uh oh....
that's not even officiall
Nintendo stood for gay rights against Japan
I genuinely don't know what you meant by that, but the thing about that other post is how it didn't get into the platform
I only reply to this post because I want to laugh at tendies.
thank god its on shitty tablet hardware again. i love experiencing all my childhood favorites on a 720p display at 30 fps. counting my blessing that we get another 7 years of shit like pokemon scarlet and violet
I hope my posts were the ones that caused your tantrum
>switch 2 will be as strong as a $200 minipc from amazon
that's bullshit and i don't believe it
You know it's not going to even be as strong as 'eck but only because of battery life.
If we had better batteries that would last 4+ hours it would not be a problem.
Also it has to be cheap because for some reason normalgays can't afford $600 console but will gladly pay $70 for a game.
The cheap thing never made sense to me, the switch is cheaper up front but the games cost too much long term. People saying it’s cheaper have got to be coping fanboys.
T. Chipped switch owner
The games cost too much because it's more expensive to manufacture cartridges over discs.
But there's loads of cheap shovelware games, it's just the big games that never go on sale or drop more than 10% over their entire lifecycle.
We will never know what % of total sales are parents buying hardware for their kids vs fanboys.
I just remember when I was 8 or 9 y/o and I wanted to get gameboy. The console itself was rather cheap but the cost of a game was rather high so I didn't get my GBC that day.
I knew only one kid who had GB, rest just had PCs or PSX and pirated games.
imagine the absolute seethe if switch 2 cant even run ps5/xbox x generation 30 fps ports
Absolutely no fricking chance, and Ganker will tell you that it's a good thing
Doesn't need them. Just like how Xbox and PS doesn't need Nintendo games.
no $2000 smartphone could do it. What are you on about it?
No smartphone can do it due to formfactor and stricter heat requirements than the switch has to deal with.
A $2000 tablet definitely could. Or honestly a tablet in the $600-1000 range.
Modern ARM chips have advanced leaps and bounds in recent years. The graphical power of the M2 Max has proven to be pretty decent, for example, and while there's few examples it's pretty safe to say it can do 30fps ports of PS5 games.
Obviously that chip's too big for a switch, but a switch also needs a fraction of the CPU power.
as long as its cheaper and has better battery life than the steam deck it will probably be a success for nintendo.
it will also need to have a good marketing message
>as long as its cheaper and has better battery life than the steam deck
Better battery life maybe, but the steam deck is already arguably cheaper than the base switch.
You can buy two switch lites for the price of one deck
Nintendo doesn't optimise, they simplify. They go for stability rather than bleeding edge. They've never bothered with being the best hardware. So this really means nothing. Also at least Nintendo has the balls to sell in Australia and uphold those consumer protections. Valve is so hackneyed and garbage they're too afraid to be held accountable for their product.
>Also at least Nintendo has the balls to sell in Australia and uphold those consumer protections
lol
The joke here being that Australia sued Valve for not offering digital refunds, something Nintendo still does not do. In fact they're the only ones who don't. Meanwhile Valve didn't have to offer refunds globally, only in Australia, but they still made it available to everyone.
>Nintendo doesn't do
Yes they do. Just not to other countries. They have to, to sell things in Australia. They sell the switch in Australia, the steam deck isn't sold in Australia.
That somehow makes it even worse that they would only do it in australia because they're forced to and nowhere else. God forbid they ever stop treating their consumers like shit.
You miss the point, it's not about exclusivity, it's about companies being forced to take responsibility for what they sell you. The best result would be them upholding the same consumer protections they have in Australia, everywhere.
Nope, legislation also covers if it's been falsely advertised or is not fit for purpose. It also means that terms cannot be changed after the purchase has been made, so EULA is unenforceable. Ultimate it means they have to actually sell you what they claim to sell you.
It should be a basic commercial understanding of both parties being honest, instead of "caveat emptor" bullshit where only the purchaser has to be honest.
The thing that is actually confusing is why people would actually defend the latter instead of demanding the former.
They will only refund a digital purchase in Australia if it's literally defective or damages your device and no other reason or leeway. Even then, only in Australia.
>the deck came out 2 years ago
what the frick? what is this called? its like the reverse of that time passing shit
It was over the moment it was decided to make a switch 2. Most of the investor demands were staved off by Nintendo insisting that they'll always innovate when making consoles, and not repeat themselves.
>captcha: W8M8HA
Actually a good point, the last time they did a second iteration of a console the wii-u diiiiid shit the bed.
A very good point. Nintendo's consoles have buy and large sold off of portability and innovation. If it's just another Switch but a little more powerful and can play some newer games that everyone has already played, the general public will consider it a lot more boring. The Switch had incredible marketing, but I don't see "you can dock it! again!" making the Switch 2 fly off the shelves. If it's just something like that I expect it to sell about half as much.
>PC fats obsess over power but don't actually use it to play games
>Nintendo Chads don't give a shit about power, just want pure unfiltered gameplay
>this is the level of cope tendies have reached after play games at 720p 17fps for years
Genuinely depressing
1080p/900p at 30 to 60fps actually
Aww...sure sport....sure
Glad we agree.
Why are you trying to bait based PC autists?
What have we ever done to wrong you?
You're annoying preachy cultists.
Hilariously, i saw this reply before what you replied to and immediately thought of tendies
Anon, but I don't give a frick.
I simply get to enjoy the best games from all platforms without paying a dime.
Nice. Enjoy those games
How do you spot a PC gamer? They already told you.
Good example
under utilized power is a developer issue
>nintendo: makes good games
>steam: doesn't make games at all
I know which one I'm buying.
the main problems with handhelds are battery life and weight. if the switch 2 is better than the deck in these respects it'll be a better console
that's so they make even more profit when they sell 100 million units and resell their nes/snes libraries to their loyal customers.
>steamdick = 0 exclusives
>ninbendo = 1000 exclusives
>I have no idea why the steamdeck exists
Exclusivity is one of the most israeli things in this industry and it's sad console users wage their master's wars over them. Luckily PC gets all the games anyway.
No reason to buy gimped locked down hardware without exclusives. I should be able to install whatever I want on a console. I also shouldn’t have to pay for internet. Consoles in 2024 are israeli, they made sense in the past with the rate of change in PC hardware and wider amount of standards to target.
>Exclusivity is one of the most israeli things in this industry
why?
Because he's a communist
>PC gets all the games anyway.
Not really. PC plus consoles gets all the games.
>Capitalism is israeli
Switch exclusives:
>Mario Odyssey
>Smash Ultimate
>The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
>Splatoon 2 + Octo Expansion
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2
>Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna the Golden Country
>Snipperclips Plus
>1 2 Switch
>Fast RMX
>Arms
>Golf Story
>Mario+Rabbids Kingdom Battle + Donkey Kong Adventure
>Gal Metal
>Kirby Star Allies
>Mario Tennis Aces
>TWEWY ~Final Remix~
>Super Mario Party
>Pokémon Let's Go
>Fitness Boxing
>Yoshi's Crafted World
>Pokémon Sword & Shield
>Animal Crossing: New Horizons
>Fire Emblem Three Houses
>Luigi's Mansion 3
>Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3
>Super Mario Maker 2
>The Legend of Zelda: Link’s Awakening
>Astral Chain
>Box Boy! + Box Girl!
>Tetris 99
>Cadence of Hyrule
>Mario & Sonic at the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games
>Bayonetta 3
>Metroid Prime 4
>Shin Megami Tensei V
>Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive Edition
>Ring Fit Adventure
>Famicon Detective Club remakes
>Brain Training Switch
>Sports Story
>Taiko no Tatsujin Drum & Fun
>Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX
>Ninjala
>Groove Coaster Wai Wai Party
>Clubhouse Games: 51 Worldwide Classics
>Good Job!
>Paper Mario: The Origami King
>New Pokémon Snap
>Bakugan: Champions of Vestroia
>Picross S Series
>Vitamin Connection
>Working Zombies
>Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity
>Fitness Boxing 2
>Kirby Fighters 2
>Rolling Gunner
>Buddy Mission BOND
>Mario Golf: Super Rush
>Splatoon 3
>Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl
>Pokémon Legends Arceus
>Monyuu
>Pacman 99
>Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate
>Game Builder Garage
>Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope
>Mario Party Superstars
>Metroid Dread
>WarioWare: Get It Together!
>Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp
>Kirby and the Forgotten Land
>Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes
All on Steam Deck. Cope and seethe
Nintendo will give preference to battery life above all else. That's why it underclocked the already weak Nintendo Switch (even in docked mode, as a way of ensuring that there isn't too much disparity between the modes resulting in games that don't run well on the handheld mode).
If you force Deck to its full potential, it will drain the battery in less than an hour. Nintendo won't accept something like that.
They can't work miracles in terms of battery either, even if the system is more optimized because of its mobile nature.
Finally, DLSS is far from being the miracle people think it is, like all of NVidia's AI-based technologies, it only gives acceptable results when you're already starting from a decent base resolution, so it's more like "if it's good, it can get even better" than "if it's garbage, it can get acceptable".
Based dlss truth, wish it was more versatile, and some day it will be I'm sure, but as it stands the only thing it's good for is upscaling 1080p or higher to 4k.
DLSS might as well be a miracle. Better image quality at none of the cost.
>says analyst
I wouldn't trust anyone who likes anal
How do people STILL not understand the business plan behind the deck even to this day? Man Ganker may really be the most moronic board. At least Ganker understands why half their underperformning crap still gets made.
No we understand it. The problem is "spiritual success" isn't a language we speak in the big leagues. Steam deck is a flop by all objective measures. You're allowed to be a fanboy of it however. But keep the success talk to your reddit and resetera echochambers. They understand you.
>I'm in the big leagues but gabe isn't
L M F A O
I didn't say this.
>we
sounds like you need to go back to school esl kun
You're the one who brought up Ganker
>I didn't say that!
>okay I said it but let me bring up something else!
lmao moron
Maybe quote actual things I have said instead of making up easier strawman to argue with. You're a big boy, you dont need unfair advantages. Or maybe you do, idk
already did, read the chain dumbass
Nah I'm done with you. You're basic. Come back if you have anything interesting to say.
>blatantly btfo
>lies and dodges instead of owning up to it
>I-I-I'm done with you
lmao how bad you holding back those tears buddy?
Sure.
Thought you were done-
oh thats right you conveniently change your tune with every post I guess that keeps things "interesting"
>No we understand it
Then explain all the posts itt misunderstanding it.
How about instead you reply to those posts and not me.
Why did you reply to my post if you weren't gonna engage? Why did I not reply to everyone? Because there would be like 200+ quotes and its easier and more elegant to just reply to the thread in general.
Sure.
Is repeating the same word over and over interesting?
Personally yeah. You lack the ability to have basic discourse so I'm just going to not try anymore with you. Be better next time.
Rich coming from you. Is your english just that bad or do you actually think you're actually contributing to the discourse?
>so I'm just going to not try anymore
now where have I heard that before?
Sure.
>claims to be out twice
>still in
truly a master of the english language here
Sure.
Deck and Switch are not competitors because the Switch gets along well with a PC, thanks to its exclusives.
I have a good PC, with an RTX3090, a super low latency monitor that allows me to get insane refresh rates, yet I still play Switch because of games that don't exist on PC, like Easy Come Easy Golf, Mario Maker, Tetris 99, etc. Of course, I can emulate some of these games, but while emulation is excellent in some cases, it's not capable of 1. reproducing part of the experience (the online part, for example), and 2. reproducing games outside the mainstream in an acceptable way (an example is Densha de Go, which runs like total shit on emulators).
>anal-yst
Not even Nintendo would be this stupid.
you're forgetting this is the company that made the wii u you're also probably forgetting the 3ds launch
You really think Nintendo is going to make a system as big, power hungry, and hot running as the Steam Deck?
It is going to be a relatively minor upgrade, with most of the gains put into being smaller, cooler, running longer on the same battery.
If the Switch is the OG 3DS, the Switch 2 is the New 3DS.
All they need is 4k 60fps, or 1080p 120fps. That gives both camps something to be proud about and anything about 1080p 60fps is just masturbation anyway.
Wrong. They don't need 4k 60fps, it's what YOU want it to have. It'll sell gangbusters without that and you know it, and Nintendo knows it.
Lmao its gonna play botw at 1080p 60fps upscaled to 4k and tendies will say it looks better than ps5 games
probably looks better than most ps5 games once stellar blade goes multiplat
More like GBA to DS jump
Hopefully a switch ds
Nintendo sells their fans literal cardboard. Whether Nintendo is dumb or not doesn't matter much, only how dumb their users are, and their users are very dumb.
so does google whats your point?
>Analyst
Paid speculators with 0 insider info kek
This, anyone assuming a single thing is a literal moron wasting their own time. Until there's an actual paper showing the specs, we're just throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks.
And tendies all around the world will somehow still act smug with their underpower piece of shit tablet that can't run games at 60 fps
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe 60 fps isn't all that important?
I will never have my dream of an amazing looking xenoblade game...Nintendo will never let monolith soft cook.
They have more of an artstyle problem than power one
If you haven't given up on xenoblade by now I don't know what to tell you.
>one bad game
>abandon the series
>1
2
It's called Xenoblade X.
Steam deck is affordable, more powerful, an open platform, and has games that are often a quarter the price.
Since when was there a switch 2? If it is not that much more powerful, than it will just be a slightly better clone that is still can’t handle unreal engine games.
You Tendies will gobble that shit up.
I don't want another handheld anyway
Nintendo is so damn israeli. Dishonorburu to their Samurai ancestors.
oh come on, it should at least have equal performance
nintendo should start caring about specs again bro
>I NEED TO SEE ATTACK ANIMATIONS???? I'M GOING INSANE
mental illness
Odd reply but ok. You doing alright buddy?
>Odd reply
who am I replying to?
Who were you quoting? I'll help you find them
ACgay
Until Nintendo officially says something about it even fricking existing, it can't be ogre if it never started in the first place
Let's just chill for another 5 years for Nintendo to get ready, and then we can speculate
people don't care about power anymore. No one bought a PS5, every kid now just plays fornite, roblox or minecraft, the console wars are dead, and the only ones still fighting are childless men in their thirties. From a business standpoint I get why nintendo don't feel the need to increase power. They could release switch 2 with the exact same graphics chip and people would buy it.
I feel like Nintendo is even making up numbers, they know zoomers dont care that much about their products
>I feel like Nintendo is even making up numbers
the software sales do corroborate their revenue and profit numbers tho. there's no inconsistency big enough to make investors skeptic over their numbers at least. they were also announced as the richest company in all of Japan these days
Nintendo stopped making games for all ages and started making them for literal babies, normalgays and tendie manchildren. I swear in the past 15 years maybe like 5 Nintendo first-party games made ACTUALLY felt like Pre-Wii titles that weren't sterilized toddlershit
I disagree.
Genuinely, what have they made with ACTUAL edge, CONSISTENT difficulty, (not "baby mode for 99% of the game with one meme hard level at the very end") and wasn't gimmickshit? All I can think of is Tropical Freeze and
Metroid Dread, but those weren't even made by Nintendo they were made by Retro and Mercury Steam
retro is owned by nintendo and they directly supervised metroid dread.
I can think of more. I must think better than you it seems.
Sneed
The switch 2 can have WORSE performance than the switch 1 and people will still buy it. Nintendo can't stop winning.
I don't buy consoles based on what they can do. I buy consoles if they have games I want to play. This thing will have bing bing wahoo games, so I'll get it when those games come out.
Nintendo has been following the
>instead of creating a more powerful console, do something original with cheap existing hardware
design philosophy since the fricking GameCube flopped
how is this news to anyone
>Focusing on making fun games instead of giving Mario 50000% more triangles (invisible to the human eye while causing FPS dips and full crashes) and being Toad's gay lover in the brown&grey post-apocalyptic Mushroom Kingdom (featuring walking segments and slow, downbeat acoustic guitar)
Based as always, play it loud. "Cinematic Interactive Experience" gays on suicide watch.
>brown&grey post-apocalyptic Mushroom Kingdom
You aren't going to believe this
Hi! Peter Griffin here! This thread has devolved into quite a mess, so I'm gonna explain a few things for you to help clear this up.
You see, there's a particular individual dubbed "ACgay" by the Ganker Ganker community. He's given that name based on his professed love of the movie game series "Armored Core". Now, this ACgay has been quite vocal about his opposition to what are perceived to be cinematic events preventing him from playing video games. What's funny, is that he's being prevented from playing video games, by obsessively posting reductive arguments and webms on the internet, instead of playing video games. And I think that's pretty hilarious.
Very true. The other day he admitted that he critiques gameplay based on whether or not he likes the game's fanbase. Crazy how someone gets to this point.
I mean, I just played Signalis and thought it was really good.
I utterly loathe the Ganker threads, I just wanted to talk about the story or how to open that one safe, and all the threads were was shitty lesbian porn. That doesn't make the game retroactively bad, it only means it's just one I won't have a meaningful conversation about on Ganker. Why should what other people do affect your own fun?
Consequently, I think the only good animal crossing game was the gamecube title but love the threads for animal crossing, best coom threads on the website by a mile
I think he's just incredibly autistic. He can't perceive people having a different opinion, is genuinely confused when people DO differ in opinion, and is hyper-fixated on his own preferences but shit at expressing them. I'd feel bad, except wait no I don't I'm literally so autistic I was used by the state as the case study of autism in children and I still had to learn on how not to be an butthole.
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You can add this pic of him to your collage. He posted this yesterday (he thinks this looks cool).
I'm not going to add anything because I didn't make it but isn't that just a youtuber? I'm pretty sure I've seen this guy posted here before
who the frick expects a nintendo console to be on the same level as a high-end pc in your palm
I'll be shocked if it's on the same level as a PS4
I'd say nintendo doesn't need to be powerful, but they're going to need a good reason to buy a switch 2 and I pray to god they're not going to force another shitty gimmick
Right now we're in the mode where every "tech analyst" pretends they don't know about the T239 chip so everybody's speculating wildly.
>Still no next gen Gears of War
>Still no next gen God of war
>Still no next gen Fable
>Still no next gen GTA
>Still no next gen games
The Xbox series X and PS5 are so fricking powerful that we have literally no games because it takes too fricking long to make them. Frick power, give me a gimp machine that devs can actually make games for in a timely manner with out wasting years and years on moronic super graphics.
In the same way I am a PC elitist and frequently stop into topics to mention my 4090 and what a cheap piece of shit the PS5 and Xbox are, thirdies do the same with the Switch. I’m not looking for it but I promise the “Nintendo shitch” homosexual is here.
>ITT
>overpriced
>crap hardware
>paid online
>no games
>when the new version comes servers will disappear
who the frick would get a nintendo tablet over a steam deck?
Me. If I wanted a Steam deck I'd buy one of those as well, it's not that complicated.
my condolences. not really, people like you who think mcdonalds is a great destination isnt really who i ask for advice
>no games
Lol
>selling point of the switch was that it would focus on gameplay over le expensive graphics and cinematic novelization
at this point you're just making shit up to complain
Then let me streamline my complaints. There is nothing wrong with complaining about a JRPG being bloated, especially when a JRPG fandom will complain about movie games being bloated and having too much exposition and dialogue.
>JRPG being bloated
being bloated in what sense? those games have some of the smallest budget in any non indie game
>complain about movie games being bloated and having too much exposition and dialogue.
oh yeah I guess that comparing a 100 hours game with a 20 hours one is completely valid
>selling point of the switch was that it would focus on gameplay over le expensive graphics and cinematic novelization
>now this is a bad thing and everything needs to be like Uncharted and Metal Gear
sigh
>implying that nintendo cares about graphics when they make games with stylized graphics over ultra realism
>implying that if a game has cutscenes it's uncharted and metal gear
...
you can make something that isn't cinematic slop and have actual mechanics in a game that still has a story and graphics. your idea of a video game is just mechanics alone in a void. would you seriously play a game with no music and everything is just pixels in a black void if the mechanics were "fun"?
As a veteran gamer who grew up with the atari and nes and old redacted radar equipment hastily glued together, I suppose it's easier for me to garner an appreciation for pure gameplay. I would've been among those defending the switch for caring less about graphics and more about delivering a good game experience, if they didn't immediately shoot themselves in the foot trying to chase trends like le expensive anime movie cinematics. Even now it's easier to go back and enjoy a random Atari game, then touch a modern JRPG or snoy walk and talk sim. You may not think that JRPGs are bloated, and you may think they have small budgets, but there used to be a time when you could just play a game without exposition being endlessly shoved into your face.
>oh yeah I guess that comparing a 100 hours game with a 20 hours one is completely valid
I've played games like Terraria for 5000 hours, and they sure didn't need even a crumb of cinematic exposition. No offense, but Xenoblade doesn't have an excuse. No JRPG does.
Do you still have that AC6 webm of strafing left for 8 seconds while watching a cinematic cutscene? Can you post it and tell everyone that you used that webm as an example of good gameplay?
Imagine a world where people didn't engage with ACgay.
The switch 2 reveal is literally going to break this board