This hell I built my own PC and I don't know what the frick a Kernel is frick IDK how this fricker even worked I followed the vauge cartoons that came with my parts and a 3 minute youtube video and it just fricking worked for the last five years and multiple upgrades since.
I'm convinced it's some ork shit and it only works because I think it should.
the Kernel is the part of your OS that talks to your hardware on the behalf of your programs.
Web browser wants to read from the keyboard in order to let you post on Ganker/v/, so it asks the OS which then supplies it via a Kernel routine.
>Everyone here is le dumb. I am le smart
If you were actually any smarter than the average Gankertard you wouldn't be where you are, and you wouldn't be the first post in a frog thread.
I don't even really know what games use kernel level cheats. Apex, Finals, CS all work without it. I'm just not going to play games that do this, online FPS is a highly competitive market, i have tons of options.
Not anymore. Gamers have lost the Rootkit War. Soon enough, we won't even have computers with hard drives in them. Everything will be cloud-only so it ultimately won't matter whether anything wants kernel-access.
>play Genshin when it came out >blue screen >look up error code >related to kernel level anticheat garbage >uninstall Genshit
simple as. I never get blue screens. tells me enough how bad kernel level shit is.
Microsoft totally redid how sound drivers were supposed to work because vendors constantly wrote buggy crashing drivers that would bsod windows. Microsoft finally got windows to a place where it'll generally never blue screen unless something actually bad happened.
Now gaymers are going to destroy the stability of their computers because of this basically malware. Nevermind security implications. It's a nonstarter if you take privacy or security seriously.
>Yes, and you’re a wienersucking homosexual if you want chink companies having full access to your pc.
I've heard shit like this for decades now, starting with Steam's release.
Does anyone have any examples or news articles of any company using kernel-level DRM to do anything malicious?
Or any examples or news articles of kernal-level software from a video game affecting someone's life?
The DRM aspect goes more into the philosophy of ownership, but it has been proven that DRM can negatively impact performance and also cause problems for any setup that isn’t a bog standard windows install.
As for the anticheat, I forget the name but recently some jap mmo had it exploited to steal some network information. And regardless, it’s not a good argument to make that it’s fine since it hasn’t caused problems yet.
“Well, the bomb hasn’t exploded and killed us yet, so I guess it’s fine to let it sit in our living room.”
>The DRM aspect goes more into the philosophy of ownership, but it has been proven that DRM can negatively impact performance and also cause problems for any setup that isn’t a bog standard windows install.
So if it runs fine, there's no issue?
>And regardless, it’s not a good argument to make that it’s fine since it hasn’t caused problems yet.
I'm not making an argument. I just think it's interesting how autistic people get about privacy or whatever, but three decades of internet later and not one studio's thought of being malicious with their kernel-level access.
And to add onto this, kernel level anticheat doesn’t even work. You are letting Ching Chong lo Ci steal your computer for NO BENEFIT. there is absolutely no reason to have it.
the real question is why is winblow$ letting you run software at the kernel level anyway? a real operating system like Arch Linux running SELinux wouldn't let you do that for security purposes
You install it, preferably in a clean environment, and use various tools, both physical and digital, to detect what exactly it's accessing on your hard drive and what information is being sent out via the internet.
But for the layman, you just google it and trust news articles and reddit posts.
use steam. it tells you on the page. here's an example
the reason I ask was because how Capcom was sneaking in Enigma in the older games on Steam, but they aren't reporting it on their sales pages. Is the lay person just fricked in those situations unless someone blows the whistle? Can't Steam force devs to report?
that's why I'm saying use steam. you don't have to buy the game to look at it's stats and requirements. they warn you if there is tos, 3rd party boot, or drm
Enigma is even worse than Denuvo because Denuvo is not going to throw away their business to look at your furry porn folders. Enigma is made by some literally who with a fake/obscured address, they don't have to answer to anybody if they do something malicious.
I fricking hate Capcom so goddamn much. Their old games are good but now my entire Steam collection is pozzed, I had to delete all my Capcom games because some moron in management decided to add third world DRM to fricking Resident Evil 5 and other decade old games.
every game page is required to do so. did origins finally die?
give me an example. I want to look it up
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Dead space remake never used to say it but they've added it now. I'm sure they only did it post-release but it should really be there before it goes up for being up for sale
3 months ago
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the original is better on ps3
3 months ago
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it never had it before it went up for sale which is fairly deceptive from EA. Also the original is better on pc
3 months ago
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the original is really good
3 months ago
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Oh yeah? That's unfortunate, I loved the original. Never got the sequels, though. Was thinking of getting the remake since they said they would expand on the ship.
3 months ago
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when they say expand it means censoring it and adding... never mind. Just don't do it
3 months ago
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the original is better on ps3
dead peace 3 marks a lot of red flags
3 months ago
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dead space remake
3 months ago
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you seriously can't be this ignorant. wth
3 months ago
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it didn't have denuvo listed before it released I swear
the original is really good
Remake was completely unnecessary, the graphics aren't even that dated
3 months ago
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it's OK new friend.
3 months ago
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it's OK new friend.
that's what I mean by use steam. it will tell you
3 months ago
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I do use steam but before release date devuvo drm was not listed, only post-release so I believed it may be cracked day one then they dropped the news it had denuvo
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don't trust Capcom. fricking ac6 did the same thing
I honestly forget what type they are but the only two drm's I tolerate are denuvo and EAC. And its a gamble really. I tolerate them because having experienced them one reason or another, they didn't frick me. So I trust they will continue not to frick me. But who knows!
Yes. Because Sony has a history of making everyone install something illegal that gets exploited in international security breaches.
Game is already full of cheaters, just like everyone said, because nProtect can be safely removed from any application as it has been for almost 20 years. Any dumb dumb with cheat engine can just peel it off and cheat like mad. And they are. So why install intrusive software that failed on day 1, like everyone said it would?
Yeah. I don't play any games with anti-cheat, especially cancer like battleye. I'm not interested in cheating, I just don't want that shite running on my PC.
Kernel level anti cheat only beats low level and skilled script kiddies
Mid to High skill cheaters use their own DMA or raspberry pi
Kernel level or ring 0 anti cheat is useless
depends how chinese it is >but your cou-
nah frick off, i'm not going to be a part of the chinese botnet with all the washing machines and other smart devices
Doesn't bother me unless it noticeably impacts performance.
Chinks can steal my info too just be subtle about it.
I ignore all reviews crying about drm
Honestly gaben should deny any company that does this access to steam. They wouldnt host keylogger software and sell it on steam, so why this anticheat?
Just a matter of time till it starts bricking peoples computers due to a bug. Maybe not valorant and maybe not helldivers 2 but some day
>Microsoft sends every image you look at to glowtrannies to check their CP database and log you
>Windows 11 is always online even if you haven't even connected it to the internet this is for both intel and amd, its using built in CPU or motherboard backdoor connection
I know that this is a cucked mindset that no one should take as a validation but I have nothing to hide. In fact, if they're spying on me, I hope they noticed all my bara furhomosexual porn and get the hint to add such characters in games. That said, I don't play free2play shit or modern multiplayer games so I don't think any games I play have kernel level anticheat regardless.
i'd rather they just permaban the 3rdies by motherboard CID
force those poorgays to build entirely new PCs every few weeks until they give up and stop being homosexuals.
>KeRnEl AnTICHeAt >anti cheats
Lmfao, fricking morons.
You CANT stop people that want to cheat, the next step will be literal DIMM probing to read memory.
DMAs still have their firmware that can get detected (if they are shit)
No one will reach shit.
People are already theorizing on probing the DIMMs directly for memory access, when that develops no anticheat or OS will be able to stop people from cheating 100% undetectable in games.
private DMA firmwares are already running laps around FACEIT, ESEA and Vanguard.
If I deleted my games with Enigma is it actually gone from my PC? I read that it was supposed to be a simple exe obfuscator but I only partially understand what that means.
Well for Helldivers 2, I bet the anti cheat is why the game crashes every 2 missions. So yeah, anticheat is almost always integrated as a gimped crutch if not donr perfectly seemless (impossible).
it's hilarious.
contrast with No Man's Sky. >No anti-cheat >Currently doing a F2P event for 12 days >If someone in your lobby is cheating you just go into your client settings and disable their interactions with you >Just ignore cheaters
Everyone i know that was moronic enough to install kernal malware had to reformat their PC because it ran like shit even after uninstalling, no matter if you do a full clean removing the registries etc.
you can't uninstall it without wiping your storage.
A friend got his GPU fried by Valorant, mid-covid supply hell. He had to play, and I shiver to even think about it, ON A PS4 for a while.
I hope my cautionary tale can save your moronic soul.
literally 97% of the people who say "kernel level" don't even know the definition of kernel outside of corn
I don't like it, but don't know enough to be truly concerned about, basically i'm
This one?
no, the one who does something about the clapping asscheeks.
This hell I built my own PC and I don't know what the frick a Kernel is frick IDK how this fricker even worked I followed the vauge cartoons that came with my parts and a 3 minute youtube video and it just fricking worked for the last five years and multiple upgrades since.
I'm convinced it's some ork shit and it only works because I think it should.
the Kernel is the part of your OS that talks to your hardware on the behalf of your programs.
Web browser wants to read from the keyboard in order to let you post on Ganker/v/, so it asks the OS which then supplies it via a Kernel routine.
stupid fricking frog poster, im still not playing LoL or Valorant.
FPCP
First post corny post
>food analogy
>food analogy
>Everyone here is le dumb. I am le smart
If you were actually any smarter than the average Gankertard you wouldn't be where you are, and you wouldn't be the first post in a frog thread.
>YOU ARE LE STUPID FOR NOT WANTING THE CCP TO HAVE RWX PERMISSIONS FOR YOUR ENTIRE HARDDRIVE
haha, game fun 🙂
machine gun go brrrrrrrrrr
While I wouldn't play a game with one, they only ever seem to be used on trashfire games anyways, so really it doesn't effect me.
I don’t play PvP games because they are a waste of time and money so I don’t care about anti cheat. no content and they get patched into the ground
I wouldn't run some game companies kernel module. I am not a child and use my computer for adult things. I'm not going to taint that.
t. Linux user
Translation: "Devs got sick of cheaters on Linux so I'm banned and am completely sour grapes about it."
No one actually uses a Linux OS to cheat
https://github.com/ekknod/EC
I don't even really know what games use kernel level cheats. Apex, Finals, CS all work without it. I'm just not going to play games that do this, online FPS is a highly competitive market, i have tons of options.
Video game board Ganker
Yes
It's literally malware that people have accepted
Not anymore. Gamers have lost the Rootkit War. Soon enough, we won't even have computers with hard drives in them. Everything will be cloud-only so it ultimately won't matter whether anything wants kernel-access.
>play Genshin when it came out
>blue screen
>look up error code
>related to kernel level anticheat garbage
>uninstall Genshit
simple as. I never get blue screens. tells me enough how bad kernel level shit is.
Microsoft totally redid how sound drivers were supposed to work because vendors constantly wrote buggy crashing drivers that would bsod windows. Microsoft finally got windows to a place where it'll generally never blue screen unless something actually bad happened.
Now gaymers are going to destroy the stability of their computers because of this basically malware. Nevermind security implications. It's a nonstarter if you take privacy or security seriously.
Yes, and you’re a wienersucking homosexual if you want chink companies having full access to your pc.
Same with DRM. Don’t suck corporate wiener.
>Yes, and you’re a wienersucking homosexual if you want chink companies having full access to your pc.
I've heard shit like this for decades now, starting with Steam's release.
Does anyone have any examples or news articles of any company using kernel-level DRM to do anything malicious?
Or any examples or news articles of kernal-level software from a video game affecting someone's life?
The DRM aspect goes more into the philosophy of ownership, but it has been proven that DRM can negatively impact performance and also cause problems for any setup that isn’t a bog standard windows install.
As for the anticheat, I forget the name but recently some jap mmo had it exploited to steal some network information. And regardless, it’s not a good argument to make that it’s fine since it hasn’t caused problems yet.
“Well, the bomb hasn’t exploded and killed us yet, so I guess it’s fine to let it sit in our living room.”
>The DRM aspect goes more into the philosophy of ownership, but it has been proven that DRM can negatively impact performance and also cause problems for any setup that isn’t a bog standard windows install.
So if it runs fine, there's no issue?
>And regardless, it’s not a good argument to make that it’s fine since it hasn’t caused problems yet.
I'm not making an argument. I just think it's interesting how autistic people get about privacy or whatever, but three decades of internet later and not one studio's thought of being malicious with their kernel-level access.
>So if it runs fine, there's no issue?
It is mathematically impossible for DRM to not negatively impact performance.
frick off Ji Xinpi
https://archive.is/jKpxm
And to add onto this, kernel level anticheat doesn’t even work. You are letting Ching Chong lo Ci steal your computer for NO BENEFIT. there is absolutely no reason to have it.
just get an arduino
>But they use ring-0 level cheats
I might be willing to consider it as a necessary evil if they even fricking worked, which they don't.
yeah those games you can't play w/linux have 0 cheaters, right?
yeah I own all permissions to my PC. frick you
I don't want unsecure garbage code from gamedevs running with that level of privilege when these anti-cheats are easily bypassed.
Kernal level can't be trusted with the fricking morons. I'd rather download Trojan viruses off pirate bay
this. I don't want Pajeetware running as root
the real question is why is winblow$ letting you run software at the kernel level anyway? a real operating system like Arch Linux running SELinux wouldn't let you do that for security purposes
they hired all of the hackers from the 90s so they can steal your information
Nope
I care because depending on the game it means that it won't run the Steam Deck.
>I just want to play Fortnite in bed.
How can you tell what games want that level of access beforehand?
You install it, preferably in a clean environment, and use various tools, both physical and digital, to detect what exactly it's accessing on your hard drive and what information is being sent out via the internet.
But for the layman, you just google it and trust news articles and reddit posts.
the reason I ask was because how Capcom was sneaking in Enigma in the older games on Steam, but they aren't reporting it on their sales pages. Is the lay person just fricked in those situations unless someone blows the whistle? Can't Steam force devs to report?
that's why I'm saying use steam. you don't have to buy the game to look at it's stats and requirements. they warn you if there is tos, 3rd party boot, or drm
go to the game page and the tan highlighted text are the warnings
Enigma is even worse than Denuvo because Denuvo is not going to throw away their business to look at your furry porn folders. Enigma is made by some literally who with a fake/obscured address, they don't have to answer to anybody if they do something malicious.
I fricking hate Capcom so goddamn much. Their old games are good but now my entire Steam collection is pozzed, I had to delete all my Capcom games because some moron in management decided to add third world DRM to fricking Resident Evil 5 and other decade old games.
I only had MHRise installed, but yeah never gonna play that shit again unless I bother to figure out both pirating and moving my save over somehow.
use steam. it tells you on the page. here's an example
Not all games. EA especially never list Denuvo on steam
who the frick buys EA games in steam?
Dunno I'm just saying they don't make it known that they implement denuvo DRM on their steam page
every game page is required to do so. did origins finally die?
give me an example. I want to look it up
Dead space remake never used to say it but they've added it now. I'm sure they only did it post-release but it should really be there before it goes up for being up for sale
the original is better on ps3
it never had it before it went up for sale which is fairly deceptive from EA. Also the original is better on pc
the original is really good
Oh yeah? That's unfortunate, I loved the original. Never got the sequels, though. Was thinking of getting the remake since they said they would expand on the ship.
when they say expand it means censoring it and adding... never mind. Just don't do it
dead peace 3 marks a lot of red flags
dead space remake
you seriously can't be this ignorant. wth
it didn't have denuvo listed before it released I swear
Remake was completely unnecessary, the graphics aren't even that dated
it's OK new friend.
that's what I mean by use steam. it will tell you
I do use steam but before release date devuvo drm was not listed, only post-release so I believed it may be cracked day one then they dropped the news it had denuvo
don't trust Capcom. fricking ac6 did the same thing
here's your warning
>quit being a homosexual
I honestly forget what type they are but the only two drm's I tolerate are denuvo and EAC. And its a gamble really. I tolerate them because having experienced them one reason or another, they didn't frick me. So I trust they will continue not to frick me. But who knows!
I do.
What are some games that came out in the last decade that have kernel-level anticheat?
all of the shitty ones
Yes. Because Sony has a history of making everyone install something illegal that gets exploited in international security breaches.
Game is already full of cheaters, just like everyone said, because nProtect can be safely removed from any application as it has been for almost 20 years. Any dumb dumb with cheat engine can just peel it off and cheat like mad. And they are. So why install intrusive software that failed on day 1, like everyone said it would?
Yeah. I don't play any games with anti-cheat, especially cancer like battleye. I'm not interested in cheating, I just don't want that shite running on my PC.
I don't even know what a kernel is when it isn't popcorn.
you should own any technology
I know my limitations anon, I just don't do anything fancier than having noscript for dodgy websites.
at least understand what you're spending your cash on, and who it's going to
I don't even know what game this thread about is though. Tech moronation makes me immune.
dragons dogma 2, and dead space remake were the steam store front pages I posted
Kernel level anti cheat only beats low level and skilled script kiddies
Mid to High skill cheaters use their own DMA or raspberry pi
Kernel level or ring 0 anti cheat is useless
yeah i won't play anything that uses it
depends how chinese it is
>but your cou-
nah frick off, i'm not going to be a part of the chinese botnet with all the washing machines and other smart devices
I dont play sweaty MP garbage so I never play any MP with kernel level anticheat
why has twitch got so much Ganker stuff the originated on Ganker on it? Pepe, kek etc. Tbf most well known memes started here
Yessum.
have a nice day shiller. Go suck corpo wieners somewhere else
Doesn't bother me unless it noticeably impacts performance.
Chinks can steal my info too just be subtle about it.
I ignore all reviews crying about drm
you can directly pay me to my PayPal account if you want to get rid of middle man
Honestly gaben should deny any company that does this access to steam. They wouldnt host keylogger software and sell it on steam, so why this anticheat?
Just a matter of time till it starts bricking peoples computers due to a bug. Maybe not valorant and maybe not helldivers 2 but some day
he's a fat libertarian. it's your money that's being wasted. at least he warns you
didn't helldivers 2 brick some pcs anyway?
My favorite is Americans calling everything "chinese spyware", as if they weren't being spied on by Microsoft, Google, etc at all times anyway
yeah our government perfected this shit during ww2
Google is not going to blackmail me by threatening to expose my vore collection. Chang or Ivan might.
>Microsoft sends every image you look at to glowtrannies to check their CP database and log you
>Windows 11 is always online even if you haven't even connected it to the internet this is for both intel and amd, its using built in CPU or motherboard backdoor connection
>but
>but-but, muh valorant is the new Counter Strike!
Kys
shut up malcolm
I know that this is a cucked mindset that no one should take as a validation but I have nothing to hide. In fact, if they're spying on me, I hope they noticed all my bara furhomosexual porn and get the hint to add such characters in games. That said, I don't play free2play shit or modern multiplayer games so I don't think any games I play have kernel level anticheat regardless.
thats pretty gay
i'd rather they just permaban the 3rdies by motherboard CID
force those poorgays to build entirely new PCs every few weeks until they give up and stop being homosexuals.
I'm not installing your chinkware, frick off.
>KeRnEl AnTICHeAt
>anti cheats
Lmfao, fricking morons.
You CANT stop people that want to cheat, the next step will be literal DIMM probing to read memory.
DMAs still have their firmware that can get detected (if they are shit)
Microsoft will reach quire cum by 2030.
No one will reach shit.
People are already theorizing on probing the DIMMs directly for memory access, when that develops no anticheat or OS will be able to stop people from cheating 100% undetectable in games.
private DMA firmwares are already running laps around FACEIT, ESEA and Vanguard.
typo I meant microwiener will require cum to play game you don't own by 2030
Why are cheaters such gigantic homosexuals?
If I deleted my games with Enigma is it actually gone from my PC? I read that it was supposed to be a simple exe obfuscator but I only partially understand what that means.
Denuvo and Eligma are VM they are gone with uninstall they are not kernal level DRM
Good to know, thanks m8
Well for Helldivers 2, I bet the anti cheat is why the game crashes every 2 missions. So yeah, anticheat is almost always integrated as a gimped crutch if not donr perfectly seemless (impossible).
>kernal level anticheat
>denuvo
>in game microtransaction skin shop
>for a fricking co op game
Im not playing helldivers 2 frick off
it's hilarious.
contrast with No Man's Sky.
>No anti-cheat
>Currently doing a F2P event for 12 days
>If someone in your lobby is cheating you just go into your client settings and disable their interactions with you
>Just ignore cheaters
yes you fricking nerd, if it makes my pc run worse I do
Everyone i know that was moronic enough to install kernal malware had to reformat their PC because it ran like shit even after uninstalling, no matter if you do a full clean removing the registries etc.
you can't uninstall it without wiping your storage.
A friend got his GPU fried by Valorant, mid-covid supply hell. He had to play, and I shiver to even think about it, ON A PS4 for a while.
I hope my cautionary tale can save your moronic soul.
Games shouldn't be played on the WWW anyway. Only solo or with friends in person.