>buy $150 ryzen 3600
>can emulate any console except ps4 (xbone doesnt have games to emulate)
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>buy $150 ryzen 3600. >can emulate any console except ps4 (xbone doesnt have games to emulate)
real men get a 3950x, not a cut down chip.
>200 mhz lower base clock
the 3600 is unironically better
Base clock is all-core clock, moron. The 3950x will go higher in single core and 6 core load.
Dont spread facts, anon
You'll upset the poor who mark anything they cant afford a "meme"
>3950x
3900x is the real sweet spot
3950x gets you diminished returns at full sku markup
>buy pre-built Laptop
>GTX 1060 6GB
>Able to run Elden Ring and Minecraft at max settings
Pre-built Gang where you at?
>1060 6GB
>Elden ring max settings
you call 20fps "running"
60FPS consistently
Yeah in some dungeon
Liar, I have a 1070ti and a 5600X and the game frequently drops to 40fps in areas Limgrave
this homie must be blind
you running at 720p or something
I have exactl ythe same setup
Lenovo gaming laptop, GTX 1060 and an i7
I can‘t do this at all, are you kidding or are you undervolting?
If i run eldenring (i dont have eldenring but a performance equivalent) my laptop heats up and explodes. What are you doing?
He probably has a desktop
Have fun with your childrens toy i guess
T: A man with 7700k
HAHAHAH
T: tech illiterate
what? 3600 has higher boost clock and 2 more cores
cope more
the 7700k is barely 8% better than the 3600
show up with an alder lake cpu and I'll care
I bet you actually believe Userbenchmark.com is a legitimate non biased site dont you?
Intel's gone so far down the shitter though.
>3400G
>Dual channel Ram
>Can play literally everything worth playing and don't need a GPU
>worth playing
the mother of all copes
I know right? It's crazy the bloated garbage people think is worth playing.
>bought a 5800x at launch
>Won't need to upgrade for 8 years
Feels good, I did the same with my 2500k
3900x here
feeling gooood
The 5800x is amazing. I have 44 gaming PCs with that CPU in my LAN center.
Upgraded to a 5600x from my 1600 for $180. Amazing I can use the same b350 board.
>5600x
those are 300 bux tho
Not when I bought mine last week off amazon
You can grab one in the $200 range if you find a sale.
Just another day in the life of a chad
>mfw am4 motherboard crisis in 7 years time
5950X
I can't see myself buying another chip for a long time, its utterly overkill when most of the time I'm playing games that would run on a Pentium 3.
Went from a 2700x to a 5600 non x and the performance upgrade is ridiculous. My 3080 ti can't even bottle neck it unless i try to run at sub 1080p
It will bottleneck in some games at 1440p like kingdom come, hell let loose or cyberjunk. I've been considering a 5800X3D for kingdom come alone.
t. 5800x and 3080
Fricking HLL is driving me insane. I have 9700k@5Ghz with a 3080 and am waiting for the next cpus from AMD/Intel to hopefully get it to run better. It probably won’t. Frick.
even on my 3600 it doesnt bottleneck
>run ethereum miner at 100%
>play dota
>it still runs at 200+ fps
mining only stresses the vram not the GPU core. back in 2014 I used to mine doge and play osrs on my 2500k/7950.
idk bout that bruh
Task manager is not accurate for GPU core load i.e. it could be running at 500mhz for a low power game and if it's using 450mhz for the game it'll show 95% usage. When mining it's common to underclock the core and overclock the memory. Haven't mined on my 3080 in about a year but I used to have the clock speed at like 1000mhz and vram +1000.
Try GPU-Z and check clock speed.
Same bro, went from a 2600x to a 5600x and shit is flying (also got a 3070).
Also flashed the GPU and turned on resizable rebar, but honestly no idea if it does anything.
>no idea if it does anything
Just keep it disabled unless you have a RDNA2 card (RX 6000 series), that's currently the only GPU architecture where Resizable BAR / SAM actually improves performance.
The 3600 is such an amazing cpu I can't believe it.
You'll struggle in RPCS3 without AVX512 support.
>Current gen mobile 6800u can outperform a desktop 1050ti
>next gen APU has an IGP twice as powerful, will reach desktop 1660 performance in a 35w laptop
>8c/16t Zen4 CPU with integrated graphics capable of high 1080p gaymen in a 35w laptop
>will launch on AM5 for desktop as well
Rejoin, budget gays. The new era is upon us.
>>next gen APU has an IGP twice as powerful, will reach desktop 1660 performance in a 35w laptop
Doubt it but even matching 5 year old entry level GPUs would be enough considering all the new GPUs are either hundreds of dollars more for "entry" level or out of stock for months at a time, usually both
6nm Rembrandt with its 12 RDNA2 CU outperforms a desktop 1050ti while power constrained in a laptop.
4nm Phoenix is RDNA3, and the ALUs per CU is doubled, it clocks significantly higher, and uses Infinity Cache where as Rembrandt does not. RDNA3 is also over 50% more efficient than RDNA2, and the 4nm process has a power reduction vs 6nm of over 30%. Believe it.
Steam Deck is 25w and outperforms PS4 especially the CPU side, it's somewhere around 1050ti GPU power so we're not far off.
Doesn't Steam underperform the PS4 technically? In practice it's close but outputting at 1080p it only gets 2/3 of the frames the same game will get on PS4.
A super old i3 with an old 750ti can perform better than the PS4 when similar settings are used.
PS4 runs all games at 30fps (or less), Steam Deck can do majority at 60fps. The CPU is absolute dogshit in the PS4 which severely hampers performance.
I only got mine a few days ago but I'm really impressed with it, some examples.
>Dragon's dogma 60fps no sweat, PS4 30fps.
>Assassin's creed ezio trilogy 60fps easy, PS4 30fps.
>Sleeping dogs 60fps, PS4 30fps.
>RE1 remake 30??? on PS4.
>Cyberpunk of all things runs better on deck vs PS4
PS4 can't even run PS2 games above their native resolution, PS3 games not at all.
Tons of PS4 games aren't native 1920x1080 also. A lot of them use various scaling and interlacing bullshit from lower internal resolutions.
>8/16t zen4 laptop with high end iGP
>budget
kek, those things will be $1200 and you know it
It will be cheaper. My 5800H, RTX 3060 laptop was 1100€
gen mobile 6800u can outperform a desktop 1050ti
Fake news.
Maybe read the news once in a way, homosexualboy
>better than 1050ti
HOLY FRICK how good are RDNA3 igpus going to be?
RDNA3 Phoenix Point is supposed to be twice as fast as RDNA2 Rembrandt here.
>unironically using German benchmarks
Incel post
Shame it has plutonium, never upgrading from my 5800x
The shame is that morons have no idea what pluton is or how it actually works. You can simply turn it off in BIOS.
really tempted to get a X3D
but i know t's a bit excessive and could probably settle for a 5600(x) or overclock a 12400
probably wouldn't see much of a boost for what it's worth from my 8600k considering i would have to replace the mobo and likely cooler as well
I've learned over the years to just get the fastest CPU you can afford. buy cheap buy twice. 5800X3D is the fastest gayming CPU and mogs the regular 5000 series in some games. if you can afford it go for it, games are only going to get more demanding and you'll have room for an rx 5070 or whatever upgrade in the future without changing cpu/motherboard.
true
but i think ill end up waiting for zen 4 at this rate
>still using physical hardware
what years am I in?
>any console except ps4
Soo you cant emulate just bloodborne
>r3 1200
>steam decks runs csgo at higher frame rate than my puter
the RPCS3 people have been jerking off AVX-512 and saying it should help PCSX2 a ton also
He looks like he's pissing
pc gaymers be like
>hehe bigger number means its better
>Buy Nvidia
>Doesn't die in less than 3 years.
feels good.
I hope my FE 3080 dies next year so when I RMA I get a 4070/80. Years ago my friends 780ti died and he got a 980ti as a replacement since 780ti were not manufactured anymore.
Are there any good PS4 emulators
I also have a 3600
>5800X3D for gaming
>5950X for frick you cores (Stream/Record+Work+VMs)
>5600 on the cheap that has 90% perf.
Frick... I really can't choose
Unless you actually do work that will benefit from the extra cores, or you're the type to go for the latest and greatest no matter what, the 5600 is your best option. The performance per dollar is just that good, and realistically that 10% difference isn't gonna mean much. That said you could always wait for the 7000 series launching later this year. Even if you don't want one of the new cpus, it'll probably drop the price of the 5000 series just by existing.
Seeing the name RYZEN only makes me think of this unrelated thing
Enjoy silicon degradation in 1 year
Posted from 10400F
seething introony lol
You know, I wonder how intel's handling how badly they've been beaten on basically every metric there is.
actually on suicide watch
I'm convinced the 3600 will go down as one of the greatest cpus ever made
You will be wrong on that.
I upgraded to a 5800x but I'm absolutely holding onto my old 3600 forever
is it worth it to go from a 3600x to a 5600x?
honestly just get the 5600 instead of the 5600x. The price difference is $100 for maybe 1-5fps improvement and that's it. Unless the 5600x is only like $10 more than get it but the 5600x really isn't worth more than that over the 5600
>xbox slander
>poorgay upgrading from his ps4
lol, lmao even
I dont think its considered slander if its true
I fricked ya hoor mudda. No slander there
400€ 12900K here
>I fricked ya hoor mudda. No slander there
nice 'jak is he typing on the poorgay ryzen build
You don't need to spend that much on a cpu if you aren't running a custom semen cooled 4090+ XL power generator.
The Ryzen 5500 is cheaper and faster.
>still using my i7-4790k
What should I buy to replace it ? If possible it should hold up as well, price is not an issue if it performs for years.
If you want something now, then the 12700. If you want to wait because why not then wait for the 13700.
Aren't e-cores terrible and needs to be disabled to get good performance?
New CPU also means DDR5, I was looking at am4 as you can get very decent prices right now for CPU, Mobo and ram.
>Aren't e-cores terrible and needs to be disabled to get good performance?
They don't affect gaming performance in any way, for the most part. In theory it's a smart way to increase performance, because all the background stuff is handled by the e-cores, while the p-cores can focus only on the game.
But some games, especially older ones, don't like e-cores and you get low performance, stutters and frame drops.
>New CPU also means DDR5
Intel will keep supporting both DDR4 and DDR5.
As for AMD, Zen 4 will only support DDR5. But it seems their plan is to keep supporting AM4 as well, we'll probably see some kind of cheap Zen 3 refresh, just like they kept producing Zen+ CPUs even after Zen 2 came out.
if any e-cores are used while p-cores are rolling your p-cores are cucked, you know that?
If you're that worried about it then grab Process Lasso. Then you can choose what cores each program can use without disabling the ecores entirely.
I've personally not encountered an issue yet (since they updated win 10 to work properly with them). If there ever is an issue, Process Lasso will be your quick and easy fix.
So far seems to be saving me money since the ecores are all that gets used unless I'm gaming.
5800X3D = Best in gaming.
Intel 6- and 8-core CPUs = Best price/performance.
Ryzen anything else = Not that far behind Intel in price/performance, best option if you already own an AM4 motherboard.
New CPUs are expected by the end of the year, from both companies. So if you can wait a bit, I'd say you should wait.
>intel
>best price/performance
Kek
Intel is only good for massive powerdrain and housefires these days. The only way their 16nm chips can keep up with AMD 7nm chips is consuming so much energy it makes Edison blush in embarassment.
Germans shouldn’t be allowed to post on the internet.
AMD chips are 50nm gate pitch
>BUYING AMD
Why do you think amd is bad, is it contrarianism?
its bad unless you buy a
I bought amd at $14 and sold at $46. Best investment I ever made
>can't emulate a console with a CPU from the same family
So...this...is the power of the PC...
Waiting for AM5. I'm hoping they'll be available within 6 months of release and prices won't skyrocket due to real world political stupidity. I'm ready to jump on a 5800X3D if anything goes weird before then.
PS3 and X360 emulation is pretty lackluster with harder to emulate games.
Not really. MGS 4 is fully playable
Nobody said something about it not being able to run, but stuttering and dropping into the 20s in harder scenes is not a very good experience.
We're talking about a game that's just about there and running at around 50fps minimum on an overclocked 12900k with e-cores disabled and AVX-512 enabled. We all know it doesn't run at full 60fps locked on your 3600.
It's ok, Konami will release the full MGS collection on PC at some point. They'll announce it soon, just two more weeks.
Irrelevant, PS3 and X360 emulation still has performance related issues in harder to run games, which was my original point.
>dropping into the 20s in harder scenes is not a very good experience.
On PS3 MGS4 was usually running at 20 fps, occasionally switching to 30 or 15 fps.
That was a shit experience too though. Since when is this acceptable now just because it was also shit on the original hardware?
that video is 2 years old piece of shit
now it runs at 60 fps on my pc
kek
what?
emulators get better as time goes on
Not that much better and this was one of a the games that already had a lot of dev time dedicated to it, to make it run better. The only CPUs it currently runs the way you described it right now are alder lake CPUs with AVX-512 enabled, like I stated in my other post. If it runs at 50-60fps on your 3600, make a recording and prove me wrong.
?t=4650
30-60 fps now kys
original ran at 30 fps anyways and im not autistic to only want to play games that run at 60
Fully playable with no glitches and stable frame rate? Last time I checked you needed some specific builds and even then it ran pretty bad.
it runs at 50 60 fps
seethe more consoletroony
>no video proof
ok schizo
I can't emulate MGS3HD at full speed with 3600
>can't run RPCS 3 Snake Eater at full speed with an R5 3600.
Why do you feel to poison the well for you intel overlords?
>YouTube Screenshot
>Long Ass file Name (named at all)
Grim
Based
I took the Ryzen pill 2.5 years ago, got rid of my Intel CPU and slapped a 3700x and Tomahawk MAX in there. Never looked back, and I've shilled Ryzen (for free) to every single friend upgrading his setup since then.
Where my 5900x chads at?
I'm waiting for a sub 400€ to join, what mobo do you have ?
I was going to call you a homosexual, but then I remembered I have a Ryzen 5600.
you guys think the 3600 is good for a few more years? I'm going to be switching to an itx case in a few months and I was wondering if I should save some money and just reuse my 3600 or upgrade to maybe a i5-12400f?
It depends on your target framerate. For 60 FPS, a 3600 is more than enough and will be enough for years. For 144FPS, I'd say wait for at least one more generation.
>i5-12400f
Same performance as the Ryzen 5600. Since you already own an AM4 motherboard, the 5600 is a much better deal.
I meant for gaming, of course.
>Gaming
>doesn’t post gaming benchmarks
?
Are you blind or illiterate?
I'll give you a hint: Geomean is not the name of a CPU benchmark like Cinebench.
Again, not gaming benchmarks like Hardware Unboxed do. Where can I play geomean?
Sorry, if you weren't able to complete high school I don't think you'll ever get it. Go watch your e-cucks.
Ok, then swap hardware unboxed for Techspot. Lots of passive aggressive energies here
Black person, google for one fricking second. Geomean, means the geometric average of all the gaming benchmarks they ran. Geometric mean and not arithmetic mean, because in the latter a game running very high fps and favoring one CPU over the other could throw off the whole chart.
Full article
>https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-12400-review
Those are gaming benchmarks, I took it from here https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5600-and-ryzen-5-5500-review/3
Also, you're mixing two different discussions.
Discussion #1 = Anon, you probably don't need to upgrade from the 3600 you already own. Here's this graph, see how the newest CPUs are barely 30% faster?
Discussion #2 = 12GB of VRAM is a bit overkill for videogames, but overall your computer is fine.
>few more years
3-4 years for 60fps?
i think so
Not to mention you have to have a very high end GPU and play at a fairly low resolution like seen in the benchmark above to notice any difference.
Most games at 1440p and above with mid-range GPUs will perform the same.
Good to know. That means my 3600 should be good for another 5+ years. I game at 1440p and wont be upgrading to meme 4K until I can buy those 144Hz.4K cards at sub 400 bucks..
>5800X
>6700 XT
Life is good. Frick Intel and israelitevidia.
neat
I ignored the waitgays and grabbed a 5700XT in 2019 before the market shat itself. Had a Sapphire 290 before which I bought after almost falling for the 3.5 meme and that lasted me that entire console gen, especially thanks to Mantle, DX12 and Vulkan. Never had any serious driver issues either.
Sauce?
what's it like to be poor?
Probably buddy. I was on a 6700k for the last 7 years and I was doing just fine. I only upgraded because I like emulation. Otherwise the 6700k was handling everything just fine.
It's fricking great. All I need now is ither a 1660 ti or a 3050 ti and I'm all set.
Rate my build.
>2060 12GB
A bit overkill on the VRAM, I didn't even know a 12GB model existed. Other than that, it's a well balanced machine.
>A bit overkill on the VRAM
Not really, I have a 1660Ti with 6 gigs of VRAM and I can't edit a 1080p video without lagging so hard.
Would you kindly rate my build?
The spiking temps will make me never go Ryzen again
>fx 6300
>gt 710
will i ever make it? what gfx would let me run tf2 at 60 fps without a config?
You could get one of those entry level ryzens with igpu and that will give you a better performance than what you have. Sell your dogshit and add $50
Ryzen 2000/3000 APUs still go for like $80 used. The cheapest new ones are $180. A cheap AM4 motherboard will be at least $50. A cheap kit of 2x4GB DDR4 (wouldn't recommend because it's a bottleneck for many games after like 2013 but it'll be fine for TF2) is still like $40.
Unless he has a rare high end motherboard, there's no way he'll be able to sell his old shit for $120.
I'm still rocking with a R7 2700
3300X only struggle with ps3 games that need 6 cores
>AMD
Enjoy your housefire
2015 called
Quit fricking shilling AMD.
I want the price to stay low
I have a 3700x right now, I'm very tempted by the thought of ryzen 7000 with the 3D cache.
Ask yourself why you bought the 3700x in the first place.
I wanted 8 cores and it was better value than intel at the time? If I remember right the intel option was the 9900k which was faster but also nearly twice as expensive
The 3D cache CPUs will obviously be less value than the regular cpus, but I could see a 3d cache 7000 series ryzen having a very repectable performance increase over the 3000 series especially.
Around what the 5800x3d costs now, but I'll probably wait and see.
I have a 6800xt and I'm using a 1440p 165hz monitor, I think there's a reasonable number of titles where I'm going to be CPU bound especially at higher refresh rates. I'm not in a huge rush, but I do want to redo a few things about my current setup. I'm still using an 840 pro SSD as a boot drive for example, I'd like to move to mostly NVME drives.
How much are you willing to pay?
Are there currently any games you want to play that don't run at high enough fps for your taste, where the GPU is not the limiting factor?
If no, there's no need for you to buy a new CPU.
I'd say upgrade the GPU first and then reevaluate, maybe even buy a new monitor first (though honestly, I'd hold out on that too, cause the step up from LED to OLED/QDOLED is so insane) and then you can look towards buying a new CPU. By then the motherboards, CPUs and more crucially the DDR5 required for AM5, will be a lot cheaper.
There are also rumors about an AM4 version of zen4 coming out for DDR4 platforms, so that's also something you might want to consider waiting for.
> There are also rumors about an AM4 version of zen4 coming out for DDR4 platforms, so that's also something you might want to consider waiting for.
Source?
>https://wccftech.com/amd-might-be-considering-ryzen-zen-4-desktop-cpus-with-ddr4-compatibility-for-existing-am4-motherboards/
Greymon55 has a pretty good track record for AMD leaks from what I remember.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Kepler_L2/status/1541460626798743552?cxt=HHwWgMC4-byRr-QqAAAA
Lol, Greymon is 50/50. He was also the one who said 3D Zen would be available in December 2021
>There are also rumors about an AM4 version of zen4 coming out for DDR4 platforms
I doubt it honestly. But, as I said here
, we'll probably see one last Zen 3 refresh. At the end of the day they are still producing Zen 3 Epycs, and the defective dies have to go somewhere.
Again, it's exactly what happened with Zen+ and Zen 2: Ryzen 3000 was their premium line-up, but they kept selling gigacheap Ryzen 1000 and 2000 CPUs on 12nm for a very long time. That's because they were still producing 12nm Epycs at the time.
Are there any motherboards that run a 5600 (not the x version) straight out of the box?
I'm pretty sure the b450 boards and upwards do.
>want to upgrade to 5600x
>don't want to get cucked out of PCIe 4.0 support since I have a b450 board
>also don't want to waste money on a dead platform at end of life (b550/x570)
>zen 4 is around the corner
i might as well just fricking wait at this point since my HTPC is still on an i7 4690, so waiting for whatever mid-range zen 4 cpu and then throwing the 3600/b450 platform in my HTPC will probably be the better move. plus at that point i could have a cpu upgrade path for both pcs.
Only thing you have to consider is you're going to be locked into buying new, more expensive ram with the 7000 series. AMD has committed to only supporting DDR5 for the 7000 series
amd being ddr5 only with zen 4 will push ddr4 prices down. ddr5 costs more than it should since intel was wishy washy with maintaining ddr4 support so everybody that bought alder lake bought the ddr4 version, and now more brands will begin to manufacture it.
a 5200 2x16GB ddr5 set from crucial costs like 180 right now. i paid more for my 16gb 3200 ddr4 a couple of years ago because i bought during the ram shortage, so i'm fine buying into a new platform.
actually the only thing potentially steering me into buying used zen 3 parts is the inclusion of pluton in zen 4, but we don;t know how bad that is yet.
>will push ddr4 prices down
will push ddr5 prices down, i'm moronic and haven't had my coffee yet
>more demand will push prices down
???
supply will vastly exceed what we have now out of necessity since all ddr4 capacity will shift to ddr5.
same thing happened to ddr4 before there was a flood that wiped out half of manufacturing and shot prices up. of course something like that could happen with ddr5 but i'll take my chances i guess.
>same thing happened to ddr4 before there was a flood that wiped out half of manufacturing and shot prices up
So THAT'S why ram was so fricking expensive in 2017?
No they used it as an excuse to drive prices up
they still havent gone down
nope
in 2016, a DDR4-2400 kit was about $80
in 2018, that same kit was $200
today, you can get a DDR4-3200 16GB kit for $60
meant to specify 16GB kit for each example, but the point still stands
stfu loser
Good morning, sir
I have an important question, will a 5900x improve my loading times in koikatsu compared to a 5600x ?
Pretty sure that's mostly limited by SSD/HDD speed. Definitely store it on an SSD if it's currently on an HDD.
>buy intel cpu
>have avx-512
>own3d amdtrad in rpcs3
AVX512 is a meme, Intel just emulates better in general
>posts the one video in the one game where they found no difference
Not anymore. Only the first couple of batches of alder lake still had AVX512 and only the older revisions of motherboards have bios versions that allow you to enable AVX512. Now it's fused off on the chips and updated bioses on new motherboards don't have an option to enable it even if you have a chip without that still has the instruction set.
zen 4 has avx 512
>Ryzen 7 3700x
>3060ti
I fricked myself by matching that CPU with that GPU didn't I?
They're fairly well matched actually. Unless you wanted that cpus best potential fps at 4k or something. At 1080p they're fine together.
>Ryzen 5 3600
>6800 XT
No, you are a Zen 2 chad such as myself.
>posts SSJZen3
No, it's fine. The only thing you "fricked up" is the motherboard, the X570 chipset is overkill for 99% of users.
Also, the RAM isn't running at XMP.
>Also, the RAM isn't running at XMP.
It is, I went into BIOS and did it weeks ago Im just too lazy to take a new SS. I didn't even realize the X570 was overkill either. To be honest I copied my friends build almost piece by piece just upgraded the CPU and GPU.
Your computer is fine then. "This component is way too good" is not a bad problem to have.
at least you have pcie 4.0 support across your cpu and gpu, you just need to get a pcie 4.0 ssd at some point and you'll get full support for direct storage.
No I did
Your RAM is running like complete shit
The CPU/GPU balance is fine for 1440p high settings.
I have the same combo bro and everything I play runs at 1440p just fine.
bow to your sensei
>$500 on a gaming cpu
lol, lmao even.
>you have something better than me!
>you're a loser!
cope seethe mald
MY KNEES ARE BENDING ON THEIR OWN
Anon, you got scammed. That thing makes sacrifices out the ass for that cache.
It's literally the best performing gaming CPU of all time. It's $100 less than the intel equivalent. How did I get scammed again?
It does not have an intel equivalent because it gets squashed in so so many programs. Guess emulation doesn't count as gaming either, huh.
The only relevant application is gaming on this board. Anyone who needs a good cpu for something else is smart enough to look elsewhere. Emulation performance won't even be that limited since it's only slightly worse than a normal 5800x because of the MHz deficit and that handles most emulation fine.
It gets utterly wrecked by intel in emulation and only ties it in regular gaming. Calling it the best gaming cpu is just disingenuous.
>It gets utterly wrecked by intel in emulation
lol okay buddy.
>only ties it in regular gaming
oh, you're in the tribe, I see.
Stick your head in the sand all you want, but it won't make you right.
It takes a 12900k with DDR5 6000 to match a 5800x3d on DDR4 3600 with budget mobo options and you think that counts as a tie.
a) no it doesn't. ddr4 is fine.
b) are you fricking moronic? A tie is a tie.
>no data on what speed the ram is at for any of the metrics
>only ties it in regular gaming
It ranges from "ties" to "Intel gets absolutely roflstomped", depending on how much that particular game likes the big chungus cache. Pic related, a games that loves the cache.
>AMD
dude you shoulda went Intel
see
>
0.001 rupees deposited
If you have a 3700X and a GPU better than a 3070, you are getting significantly bottlenecking your card.
T. own a 5700X with 3080. Upgraded from a 3700X
my 3700x bottlenecked my 3080 even at 4k in some games.
Bottlenecking depends on the game and what frame rate you're targeting. It's never cut and dry "this CPU will bottleneck your GPU"
If you're going for 4K/60, you don't need to worry much about your CPU. If you're going for higher refresh or it's just a very CPU heavy game, then you can get some bottlenecks.
In my experience, a 5600x is plenty good enough for 144 Hz, it's always the GPU that will bottleneck.
>3600
>$150
LOL
anon?
You might as well spend a little bit more.
or you could just buy used 3600 and sell old cpu for that mighty upgrade
>buy cheap laptop my classes
>it can emulate dolphin decently
CPUs are surprisingly powerful these days
Is there a "chart" or something that shows what the numbers in CPUs even mean? Like whats the difference between Ryzen 3, 5 and 7 and why are some Ryzen 5's better than some Ryzen 7's? what does the X mean at the end of the number, like Ryzen 7 3700x? What the frick are threads and cores?
Your CPU is just a complicated adding machine. But, the kind of tasks it performs belong to well defined categories. In the old days, there was just one adding machine that did everything. Now, there are lots of smaller, specialized adding machines that can take on basic b***h tasks so the specialized ones aren't bogged down and wasting time. Graphics cards just follow this trend to its logical conclusion, it has gorillions of cores that are good for drawing things on the screen.
See picture. Keep in mind naming is a bit of a mess, they don't even follow their own rules most of the time.
>why are some Ryzen 5's better than some Ryzen 7's?
A Ryzen 5 from 2022 is going to be faster than a Ryzen 7 from 2017. But "faster" doesn't mean much by itself, it depends on the application.
A Ryzen 5 5600 is going to be faster than a Ryzen 7 3700 in videogames, but not in 3D rendering.
>What the frick are threads and cores?
Cores are processors. We used to have one single core per CPU, but we can only increase frequency so much. So instead of having one single super fast core, we were able to achieve much greater performance by combining two, slower cores together. And then three, and four, and six...
Threads are "virtual" processors. By default, CPUs can only do one single thing at the time. With threads we can "split their mind" in two, so they can do two things at the time. The idea is the same as before: more, slower threads is better than few, faster threads.
But again, faster or slower depends on the application. As I said
>A Ryzen 5 5600 is going to be faster than a Ryzen 7 3700 in videogames, but not in 3D rendering.
That's because 99% of videogames don't use more than ~6 threads nowadays. So it doesn't matter if the 3700 has 50% more threads, since they're going unused in videogames anyway.
>3070Ti
>all bought with crypto before it crashed
feels good man
i bought my 2060 super literally 3 weeks before the massive crypto pump
>buying Shintel and not the white mans choice
Ok pajeet
I have a 3600, and it’s easily the worst part of my build. Looking forward to upgrading it when AM5 comes out and Zen 3 drops in price.
what are you even playing that requires more than that incel?
>calling someone an incel for wanting better stuff
He might not need it but he's futureproofing himself by trying to get higher end parts.
futureproof for what? what games are coming out that need more than a 4.5 ghz 6c12t processor?
Inceldom is real
Uh excuse me sweaty GOAT is releasing next month
Kingdom Come Deliverance
Modded Skyrim
Total War
RPCS3
Ultrawide gaming hits your cpu harder than 16:9
1% lows is really the biggest reason. The 1:1 ccd to ccx ratio of 5000 Ryzen is far more future proof.
You'll just end up playing pixelshit anyways
>bro i need the latest cpu to play uh.. axiom verge at 1200 fps..
>bro i need the latest cpu
I don’t want the latest cpu, tho. I just said I’m waiting until AM5 releases to upgrade to a 5000 series. You’re a bit of a silly b***h, aren’t you anon?
bad time to buy a cpu right now, both intel and amd have dead end sockets
>wait for next gen bro its releasing soon
next year-
>wait for next gen bro its releasing soon
>built a 5600G pc with all components for £550 last november
>plays every game I actually want
it's good brehs
>AMDlets lost to 12th gen intel, lol
Will Zen4 be SSJ God or GT SSJ4?
I have a 3 4300G, fricking love the thing.
I'm too poor to afford those high end parts, but what I have should suffice for years
im a poorgay but a 4d future thinker
bought a 5700g pro and when I upgrade (10 years from now) I'll just turn it into a server/htpc
>be 5950x chad
>only play league of legends
Reminder 5950X is still king of multicore and X3D is king of gaming.
wheres 3600
~10600K
feels gud
>tfw 2600x since 2018
>Can upgrade one final time without upgrading my motherboard
Lmaoing@inteljeets
>Higher is better
INTEL WINS AGAIN, LET'S GOOO
inteljeets are braindead enough to believe this
>doesn’t know what sarcasm is
Germans are too easy too spot, always on incel rage.
Thanks for proving my point.
Ok Germutt. Shouldn’t you be on the Freibad with your demographic replacement?
>keeps seething over germans out of nowhere
Lmao how can someone be this mindbroken
Köter are too easy to spot
>IESLB
I win. EZ just like your mom LMOA
Ok Alman
Ok chaim
>da jooz
Lol no wonder Germany spawned the polface
You lost chaim
t. rapebaby
I bought a 5600 non x because everyone over at Ganker told me that I was basically paying $20 extra only for the x since the performance was basically the same
now that I checked the difference in price right now is actually $46, and the performance difference is exactly 1%-2% so yeah definitely not worth it
thinking about a 5900x since they are $399 now
then get a gpu upgrade further down the line when games stop running well at 1440
If you're only gaming get 5800X3D, if you need the multicore too then 5900X is a good choice yeah.
multicore for running arcgis pro which is my job + all the other stuff i need while doing that
gaming is secondary
I want to build a gaming pc for like 1500 USD but trying to shop for a motherboard and cpu is too confusing. All I know is it seems like a 3060ti FE is the way to go for a graphics card
3060ti gets rekt by 6700XT.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
Plug in 3060ti under GPU and then keep adding compatible parts
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MPrc4s
would you say this is reasonable then? Or am I missing something
The gpu price is not listed, so it's 1500 dollars without the 3060ti. If you don't do anything other than gaming you can drastically lower that price if you want to
Thats fine but if I were you I would get a small M.2 just for your OS (or a small SSD and a much larger M.2 might be even better). I had a critical failure a few months ago and had to completely reinstall Windows but all my data was saved since I had two of them.
thanks for the advice, I'll keep that in mind. Didn't even think about that.
>you can drastically lower that price if you want to
What would be your suggestions? I already have a computer for work/hobbies, so this would just be for gaming
You don't need a x570, for example. a good b550 can handle it just fine. Your PSU is a bit overkill too. Liquid cooler also it's mostly aesthetics, there are fan coolers that do a good job, silent and cheaper. Also, i believe that the 5700x is considerably cheaper and in games they aren't much different, i suggest you to look up comparisons.
And if you think the 3060TI is too expensive, AMD prices seem to be way better at the moment. The 6600XT isn't that much worse than the 3060TI, but some people don't like Radeon drivers, so it's up to you
thanks for all the advice, it's very much appreciated. It's nice when anons can help a brainlet like me
You said you wanted to spend 1500 for a full pc and this list is already at that price without adding in the gpu cost which will be $400 if you can find somewhere that will sell that model to you new. You could go for a cheaper air cooler for your cpu if this is your first pc build, you can get cheaper RAM. You could switch to a 5600 to save on cpu cost.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8vgPKp
Actually, B450 doesn't support PCIe 4.0, I forgot about that.
I changed the motherboard with a B550 model: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DHkw78
If you feel like spending more, you can upgrade the GPU with a 6800 or 6800 XT. The power supply should be enough for both.
>Actually, B450 doesn't support PCIe 4.0, I forgot about that.
By the time it becomes relevant, you'll be needing a new mobo anyway
If he's spending over $1000 on a new computer, he might as well spend $50 more and get a nice motherboard imo. It even has integrated WiFi, which is nice because he can connect Bluetooth controllers without using an external dongle.
that's a very similar build to the one I ended up coming with, although I'm kind of starting to regret going with the motherboard I chose since it doesn't have bluetooth nor wifi, but I bought everything very recently so I can still return it and change it for a different one
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsYp3y
Postan intelcope
>Single core doesn't ALWAYS matter
>Multi-core doesn't matter
>Productivity doesn't matter
>Price/perf doesn't matter
>Perf/watt doesn't matter
>Power usage doesn't matter
>Temps don't matter
>Soldered dies don't matter
>Stutters don't matter
>Streaming doesn't matter
>Datacenters don't matter
>Locked CPUs don't matter
>OEMs don't matter
>Hyperscalers don't matter
>Upgradeability doesn't matter
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter
>Locked platform features don't matter
>Synthetic loads don't matter
>PCIe lanes don't matter
>Burnt pins don't matter
>Heat doesn't matter
>1771w cooler doesn't matter
>Server space doesn't matter
>ECC doesn't matter
>Free RAID doesn't matter
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter
>StoreMI doesn't matter
>IPC doesn't matter
>10/7/5/3nm doesn't matter
>StoreMI doesn't matter
>HEDT doesn't matter
>Stock coolers don't matter
>Security doesn't matter
>Games don't ALWAYS matter
>Enterprise doesn't matter
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter
>VMware doesn't matter
>MySQL doesn't matter
>Unix doesn't matter
>Linux doesn't matter
>Wafer yields don't matter
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter
>Asian markets don't matter
>Own fabrics don't matter
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter
>Cisco doesn't matter
>HPE doesn't matter
>AZURE doesn't matter
>TDP doesn't matter
>Cache doesn't matter
>iGPU doesn't matter
>PCIE 4.0 doesn't matter
>Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter
>Stock voltage doesn't matter
>Amazon sales don't matter
>Prime95 AVX doesn't matter
>Large corps don't matter
>Your DATA doesn't matter
>Context switch duration doesn't matter
>202x market outlooks don't matter
>VRM doesn't matter
>Desktops don't matter
>Laptops don't matter
>High settings don't matter
>Macs don't matter
>Base clocks don't matter
>XMP doesn't matter
>Stock price doesn't matter
>Jim Keller doesn't matter
>Internal trading doesn't matter
>Rendering doesn't matter
>Performance doesn't matter
>DirectX doesn't matter
>Mobo prices don't matter
leftist memes be like
How long will my rig last?
5 years??
Easily 3-4 more years and probably 6-7 if you run newer games at 1080p. I used a GTX470 until 2018 and then a preowned GTX1080 until the 3060ti launched
do you think the 3600 can handle the 4000 series without massive bottlenecks?
No way to tell, but GPUs will probably still be the bottleneck at 4k in modern games
Im happy with my budget king i3 12100
I got a 5600x for $200 just a couple weeks ago.
Needs a better cooler than stock, though.
What's the consensus on the 5800x3D? Is it worth it for gaming?
If you're gaming only then frick no.
Not that much better than the regular 5800x
If you want the best and have the money for it, sure. But there are better value CPUs on the market.
No.
AM4 is a dead Platform and the cache doesn’t scale with Unreal 5 for example. Doesn’t seem worth it because of how expensive it is really.
best for gaming, but well off bang-for-buck
Very worth it for gaming
>same price as 5950x in france
where did you find a $150 3600
>wasting money on high tier gpus
>only to use it for gaming
what is the fricking point?, those CPUs are for high workloads, graphics designes, artists that need to render shit. If you are building a gaming rig then anything more than a i5 12400/ryzen 5 5600 is a complete waste of coin.
Tell me a way to use my CPU to make passive money and i'll do it
why buy a 3600 for $150 when you can get a 5600 for $150
Is 4k still a meme?
Use 1080p and some flavor of AA, or draw 4x as many pixels and still need some AA on top to completely eliminate all jaggies
Or if you're Nvidia tacitly admit that 4K is a worthless performance killing meme and just use some fancy upscaling to turn native 1080p into 4k
Do you play on a monitor? Then yes. Do you play on a TV? No
Unironically the opposite is true.
Sitting up close to my 27" 4K monitor. the difference between 1080p, 1440p and 4K is ridiculously obvious.
In my living room, I play on a 55" 4K TV. 1080p is slightly softer than native but 1440p is indistinguishable and even fricking 720p is fine because of the distance I sit from the TV. I'm not right up on it like I am my monitor so it's way less noticeable.
only if you can afford a 3080/6800, but performance isnt perfect.
4k without upscaling is overkill
TAA and upscaling need enough detail to be sharpenable without moire and fine detail artifacts, which is satisfied between 1440p and 4k, closer to 1440p. If the game still has moire and detail problems it's purely a software issue at that point
more than that done with pure raster is way past the point of diminishing returns
For gaming, yes.
If you do shit like streaming, video editing, etc 4k actually worth
It always will be unless you game on a tv
it's even more a meme on a tv, it's just a more gullible audience
Sony disagrees. https://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/articles/00008601
So does RTings https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship
For standard definition go big screen and sit back but for these high modern resolutions you should sit close.
>tv manufacturer denies 4k is overkill
lol
Being silly anon is unbecoming. Techradar also says sit close for 4k (closer than 1080p). https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/tv-viewing-distance
Panasonic also says sit close https://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions-learn/televisions/tv-size-to-distance-calculator-how-to-find-the-perfect-size-tv.html
You will disregard this post as facts get in the way of shitposting but a very real problem is people following standard definition viewing distance guidelines and then saying "I sat 20 miles away from my 4k screen and couldn't see a difference between it and 720p! 4k is a fricking meme!" little realising they are doing it wrong.
probably
>viewing distance - centimeters
>screen size - inches
>pixels per inch
wtf is this abortion?
Two 1080 panels will be immensely more useful than one 4k screen if given the choice, and honestly the extra demand and lower framerates doesn't generally feel worth it
If you're going to go with an overpriced meme might as well go for ultrawide instead, it's extremely nice in games that actually support it. Just don't use it as your only screen, trying to play dragons dogma and it is extremely unhappy with anything over 16:9 aspect ratio
you should get an arm and mount one or more of those side monitors in portrait instead
I did this and after a whole month I still cant get used to the portrait orientation except for reading the news.
>Shitty ikea desks and monitor arms
Nope
This is why my desk is an inch thick. God bless office surplus.
But ultrawides are curved and that bothers a lot of people.
I tried using one of those ultrawides that was flat and it felt like the edges were actually curving away with how wide it was. I think at this size/width a little curve is good to have, and having those side screen follow that curve helps it all kinda blend together
I can't find any normal monitor stands that support that, I've thought about it but I don't want to mount an arm to my wall or desk
Are you moronic? You cam get a 5600 for 150.
>Are you moronic?
Yes.
>R5 1600
>friend bought a new pc so he offers me his 3600
>scared my povert tier b350 will shit itself
You'll be fine. Just remember to upgrade the BIOS to the latest version before swapping CPUs.
why? they both have a TDP of 65W
Every B350 is going to handle a 3600 just fine. It is the A tier mobos you need to worry about.....when chucking a 3900x on it.
why, it uses the same power as the 1600
Just try not being a moron and you’ll do just fine.
It won't. Don't forget to update it. You can put a 5600 if you want to, probably. Anyway, even a bottlenecked high end CPU is better than a lower end CPU in most cases
Is the x570 MB higher end? I want to upgrade and was looking at it.
That's the tier of board for putting in highest tier Ryzen stuff and overclocking it with no power delivery issues. b550 is fine if you aren't going to be doing that.
need some advice anons, this is my setup
3070
ryzen 3600
b450m
32gb ram
what should I update first? do I even need to? I play mostly 1080p @144 or @280 for competitive
you don't need to update anything
You only need to update your cpu if you’re actually pro level at competitive shooters. Very few people will be able to tell the difference between 144 and 280 frames. You’re in the 1% of the 1% of human perception in that territory.
I'm not at pro level but I can tell the difference
which CPU should I go for? I would like one that lasts me for years like the 3600 did (I bought it on release)
With AM4 coming to a close this year your options are limited to Zen 3. 5800x/5800x3d are the best gaming cpus. There are a couple of games out there that can take advantage of the 5900x and 5950x, but since they have more than one complex they have a higher reliance on reducing latency through the infinity fabric, which usually costs them a tiny bit of performance in games. 5800x if you want a more “balanced” and overclockable chip and 5800x3d if you want to sacrifice productivity for straight gaming performance.
Also it's placebo because frame timing events isn't a thing
Ryzen+Radeon best efficiency.
>actual working chipset not made in china
>emulate the future
>5600x
>6600xt
Feels good, can play most anything at 1440p.
Might switch to a 4000 series card when those release if I can find one at not moronic prices. Kind of want to stick to AMD because Nvidia cards don't like Linux in my experience.
It may have been silly of me to buy a 5800X over a 5600X
Might age a little better since it has 8 cores instead of 6.
Going mother got me a RX 6600
i currently have a 2600
whats a good upgrade
???
upgrade from the 2600
A CT scan.
R5 5600, you don't need more.
nice thanks
I think when I bought mine on release it was 300 ;....;
Finally upgraded to a 5800X3D, it is smooth as glass
Nice one. Its nice consooming good products instead of coping daily on lebanese carpet stiching forum.
AHHHH I'M COMSOOMING AHHHHHHHHH
b-bros, I still have a 4790k, is that ok?
I couldn't decide between the 5900X and 5800X3D, but went with the 5900 in the end since it was actually cheaper and seems more reasonable when you don't exclusively play videogames. So far I'm very happy with it.
Can somene explain to brainlet why emulators requre a powerful cpu?
You're using CPU resources to run simulated versions of all the hardware in the console you're emulating. Consoles often have obfuscated processes, hardware that interfaces in ways significantly outside of the norm, all for the sake of piracy prevention and system security. An emulator reproduces all of these steps in software.
There's a bunch of crap that has to be replicated from the original hardware and it usually gets done on the CPU because some of the math isn't meant for GPU cores which basically do one kick a thousand times
I vividly remember the Intelgays going "y-you will never emulate shit on your poozen"
My 3700x is basically my i5 2500k replacement I never thought I'd get ever again, and yet, here we are. I'll run this little baby 5 more years, if not more.
>New PC build has a x570 motherboard
>Specifically bought for gen4 nvme and new ryzen gen
>Buy $150 ryzen 3600 as a temp holdover and plan to upgrade later, just need something to run it for now
>Two years later
>Still feel no need to upgrade from this thing
I still even just have the stupid stock cooler on it with a much better noctua cooler I was planning on using with the new cpu sitting in its box
Really is no point upgrading it. 1440p and higher your gpu will be the bottleneck or you’ll be paying a gigantic premium for around 10% more performance. 3600 will be drivable until 4K high fps
I run a 5600G
Aint nuthin but a G thang
is ryzen 3600 good for 1080p gaming?
yes, but it's much cheaper used than new, now.
would you buy a used processor?
Unless you're massively unlucky you shouldn't be getting a scrap cpu that someone burned up. Most are just people getting rid of their old cpu after upgrading.