Buying a mister was the final straw
I'm never buying a physical game ever again and I'm considering selling my current stock
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Buying a mister was the final straw
Buying a mister was the final straw
I'm never buying a physical game ever again and I'm considering selling my current stock
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I quit physical games once flashcarts got really good.
Wait, what?
You mean you stopped buying real copies
Flash carts are still physical
mister? i hardly know her
Boo
I don't think we needed our daily Mister thread
Anyway... emulation is good... original hardware is good (and I've never sold anything that I had), but at this point it is just antique shopping, expensive and tiresome.
(Of course when I found an original RidgeRacerType4 for $20 I bought it lol)
>original hardware is good (and I've never sold anything that I had), but at this point it is just antique shopping, expensive and tiresome.
What about just buying the original console and getting a flashcart/ODE for it?
Somewhat. Instead of emulating on a CPU, it uses a FPGA, a Field Programmable Gate Array. Basically, it's a chip chose internals can be reprogrammed to physically act like other chips. It's basically re-creating the consoles in hardware instead of software, which gives the potential for 100% accuracy (assuming the person who wrote the core for that system did a good job) and no additional lag, as well as being electronically compatible with original accessories/connectors.
You can use your original controllers for example on it with an adapter, unlike USB adapters there is no conversion of the inputs taking place, it's basically electronically wired right to the FPGA the same way the original controllers or accessories or whatever were in the original console, so there is no additional lag that USB adapters would add or other differences/incompatibilities. It can output analog video the same way the original hardware did too.
>>$600
>when will this meme die
When you stop giving this troll attention.
>What about just buying the original console and getting a flashcart/ODE for it?
I've dreamed of that setup for a long time, I have the consoles but the cost of that project is fricking absurd. RGB or HDMI modding, cables, an upscaler, the flash carts, separate SD cards or HDDs for each console. You know what's cheaper than that? One of these with the swappable fronts for controllers. Tell me what I'm losing by just buying this and being done with it?
Yeah, unless you go with chinkware bootlegs by the time you hit 2-4 systems with a flashdrive depending on the system it can cost as much as a MiSTer. (the Neo Geo one ALONE costs as much as a MiSTer setup can cost)
And that's just the flashdrives alone, if you wanted to mod for RGB or HDMI that's generally around a $100-ish mod for each system.
>"But people who don't buy shoddy and possibly buggy $50 bootleg everdrives and don't use composite to a CRT are morons!" you say?
It still means keeping 20-40 year old hardware running that you likely will have needed to recap and perform other maintenance on by now and having the shelf space for all that, as well as having a large video-switching setup or manually plugging them in each time you want to change systems, to say nothing of room for storing all those. And still, for the rarer systems the hardware alone can cost a fortune and are too obscure for there to be bootleg flashcarts of. Those are the ones where the flashcarts tend to cost the most, as it's some rando making small matches himself.
And that's just for consoles, have fun setting up ancient computers... and then loading data off cassette or floppy.
>"But I could not care less about anything other than three major systems and could not care less if they are chink carts"
Then MiSTer isn't for you, most of the people who use a MiSTer don't just play one or two systems on it.
>MiSTer
Mister is on its way out, the chip is not purpose made for games, it's not staying cheap or in production forever. It's still 1080p, using snac is a mess too.
MARS is the only reason I have started to give a frick about FPGA. It looks like it's going to be an RT4K, flashcarts, and every system and arcade you can think of all in one box with a tidy menu.
>Mister is on its way out
Unless a cheap alternative FPGA is found for it's successor, I doubt it. Even the MiST project is still alive.
>the chip is not purpose made for games
No shit, it's based on a board meant for education to learn how to program a FPGA.
The NES's original CPU was not purpose made for games either, many 80s era console's CPUs were not.
>it's not staying cheap or in production forever
The DE-10 has been in production for a decade now I believe, and there is no reason to stop because the government is still subsidizing it since it's still overkill for it's intended purpose as a educational tool.
>It's still 1080p
.... you're playing 30-40 year old games.
>using snac is a mess too
You... just plug it in.
>MARS is the only reason I have started to give a frick about FPGA
By an ad. I am hoping the MARS makes headway in the FPGA world too but this is some laughable fanboying.
>It looks like it's going to be an RT4K,
Err no, no it's not. The FPGA chip in the RT4K has roughly 85% the amount of LEs and from my understanding the same amount of BRAM as the FPGA in the Mars. There is a difference between being able to easily output in 4K and do all of the advanced filtering that the RT4K can do.
>flashcarts
It has no cartridge slot. The Analogue systems are the only FPGA devices that let you play your carts.
>and every system and arcade you can think of all in one box
What if I think about the PS2 and Xbox?
So far literally the only system MARS has announced that the MiSTer can't do is Dreamcast/Naomi... and still haven't shown proof of that life.
>some laughable fanboying
Call it what you like but I'm confident in my prediction. A complete Mister set isn't much cheaper than the expected MARS msrp. No setup weirdness, no variances on ram or parts or where you get it. It's a concrete single item, it will take over.
>.... you're playing 30-40 year old games.
On a modern display that sucks at upscaling these kinds of graphics.
>You... just plug it in.
Dongle on dongle, hanging wherever. Not clean.
>The FPGA chip in the RT4K has roughly 85% the amount of LEs and from my understanding the same amount of BRAM as the FPGA in the Mars.
Woah. I wonder how Mike Chi is going to do it then.
>It has no cartridge slot.
By this I mean I can load all my games on it. As that's the point of flashcarts. Actual cart slot doesn't matter to me at all.
>What if I think about the PS2 and Xbox
There's limits, I admit. Dreamcast and various arcades are going to be a pretty hard cap.
Still a much better value proposition than mister, easier to buy, easier to use, neater. You've refuted very little of what I said and utterly failed to explain why MARS won't utterly supplant Mister.
Where can I buy a mars? What cores are available and does it have a jamma connection?
From them, all of mister and then some, yes.
You lying gayet.
>A complete Mister set isn't much cheaper than the expected MARS msrp
You work for MARS, don't you?
>On a modern display that sucks at upscaling these kinds of graphics
You are outputting in 1080p over HDMI, not 240i over composite, moron. A modern display will handle a 1080p output from HDMI just fine.
>Dongle on dongle, hanging wherever. Not clean.
You said it was "a mess", that's not "a mess", that's arguing for proprietary bullshit.
>Woah. I wonder how Mike Chi is going to do it then.
If you think it will do everything a $700 upscaler can do, you are high on farts. Even the MiSTer has filters, doesn't mean it can do everything a Retrotink does.
>By this I mean I can load all my games on it. As that's the point of flashcarts. Actual cart slot doesn't matter to me at all.
How moronic are you? You can do that with MiSTer too. You can fricking do that with a Raspberry Pi or your smartphone. You can do that with ANYTHING that emulates. Just admit you didn't know it had no cartridge slot and are desperately trying to backpedal on this one.
>There's limits, I admit. Dreamcast and various arcades are going to be a pretty hard cap
And CPS3 and N64 are going to be a pretty hard cap for the MiSTer. Soo.... it can do... one half-gen later console that the MiSTer cannot. Whoopee.
>Still a much better value proposition than mister
MARS has a MSRP of $700, you can build a MiSTer in the $400 range.
>You've refuted very little of what I said and utterly failed to explain why MARS won't utterly supplant Mister.
You were demolished with every argument and only in your mass delusions do you think a proprietary closed source project like MARS will kill an open source and cheaper project like MiSTer.
Like I said, buy an ad. Some of your arguments I literally saw on MARS's website or were endorsed by the website, are you so desperate to try to make your console sell that you have to shill on Ganker of all places while lying out your ass?
>You work for MARS, don't you?
Not that there's any way to prove one way or the other but no. I don't work in gaming at all. I've just been chasing this RGB/Flashcart perfect setup for so long that I'm just hyped as frick to see an all-in one box like this.
> just fine.
Just fine is not what I pay a couple hundred dollars for.
>You said it was "a mess", that's not "a mess",
Not all of us want to live in spaghetti cable houses. Their solution is cleaner.
>If you think it will do everything a $700 upscaler can do, you are high on farts. Even the MiSTer has filters, doesn't mean it can do everything a Retrotink does.
This was genuine, I actually am curious to wait and see what he's going to bring to the table with the new knowledge you've given me.
>You can do that with MiSTer too.
I wasn't contrasting MARS to Mister with that point, I was contrasting it to an ideal real hardware setup. Yes, my phone has that too.
>you can build a MiSTer in the $400 range.
Provided your time has no value and you're cool with doing the research and having it still having aesthetic compromises, yeah true.
>You were demolished
Now who's delusional? You misunderstand several points and think you've won an argument?
>BUY AN AD
Nothing to gain from their success. You just can't handle that I may be right.
>I've just been chasing this RGB/Flashcart perfect setup for so long that I'm just hyped as frick to see an all-in one box like this.
Yeah, so have I. That's why I am excited for MiSTer and WAS for MARs but it's now tossing me a ton of red flags that I have seen many failed or underdelivering hardware projects have.
>Just fine is not what I pay a couple hundred dollars for.
Nice misrepresentation of my words. You said that the upscaling would "suck", I pointed out how it outputs a 1080p image so you don't need to upscale it like a 240i image.
>Not all of us want to live in spaghetti cable houses. Their solution is cleaner.
So is this, it's just all wrapped up in a box. You want cleaner? Get the Multisystem, it lets you plug in SNAC adapters just like a MARS. You literally want to pay extra for a proprietary port in place of a standard one.
>I wasn't contrasting MARS to Mister with that point, I was contrasting it to an ideal real hardware setup
Like I said, the only devices that I know of that actually run games off the cart are the original hardware and the Analogue systems. Nothing else does. So it's a pretty silly thing to bring up when neither of them can do it.
>Provided your time has no value and you're cool with doing the research and having it still having aesthetic compromises, yeah true.
It takes like 5 minutes to put together, you have spent more time arguing here than it would take to build a MiSTer. Also there are literally hundreds of cases you can use to make it look like whatever you want. MARS has a grand total of one design.
>You misunderstand several points and think you've won an argument?
Says the one You misunderstanding several points and thinking they've won an argument
>Nothing to gain from their success. You just can't handle that I may be right.
Bull, I have no horse in this race, I just want FPGA to improve. And MARS started out great but is now tossing more red flags than a soccer riot.
>red flags
NTA, but holy frick you're coping and seething over the idea that MARS will make your 600 dollar investment obsolete!
I don't have a MiSTer, try again.
Also, I noticed that the people who bring up the "MiSter costs $600" argument are people advocating for MARS... curious.
https://retrododo.com/hands-on-mars-fpga/
>Once you take into account the cost of a DE-10 Nano, the analog output board, integrated USB and SNAC ports, and a proper sturdy case, you’re probably looking to shell out around $600, and that doesn’t even get you 4K video or JAMMA output.
Not only is that wrong as others pointed out $400 builds here, but there are JAMMA boards you can use in place of the analog and USB board together that would still cost under 600.
It's also telling those same people are screeching about shills to. Mars will flop because it's a single source closed bespoke hardware platform, without sorgelig.
>the >$600 people were actually complaining that it wasn't expensive enough all along
Not even M. Night Shyamalan could write such a twist.
find a white picket fencepost and sit on it. or go away
Yeah, my MiSTer cost around that much and it was a waste of money. I would rather play on real hardware.
615*
Indeed. The MARS is about to make the MiSTer obsolete-o.
A flash cart for a neogeo costs more than a complete mister.
I looked at the site and I still don’t understand what it is
Hardware recreations of all the old consoles?
Essentially. Its just an alternate form of emulation, just super good. And depending on the core, very accurate. Milage my vary depending on how much you care for accuracy, input lag and original controller support.
Think about this way, you want to ride Ferrari 288 GTO but you're too poor to afford it, you have two choices get a replica (hardware emulation) which will look and feel as close to the real thing as you can get or you can get a gamer cage with a wheel and a racing sim (software emulation) which will be quite far from the real thing but you'll still be able to enjoy it and it will be cheaper too.
because you finally realized that video games are toys for children and offer nothing to a full grown man?
>offer nothing to a full grown man
then why are you here, anon?
>because you finally realized that video games are toys for children and offer nothing to a full grown man?
only video games worth playing as an adult are ones that challenge intellect, something like factorio where you are planning and calculating in your head, it's good workout for the brain, specially if you work at some random 9 to 5 dead end job.. but games like COD, FIFA, counter strik, action games in general are for loosers and kids
No Dreamcast, PS1 and Saturn still have plenty of bugs (inb4 prove it, check GitHub issues), CPS3 not done, paypigs required to get arcade cores completed, abandoned cores like the x68000 with no intention of ever completing them, N64 will require some degree of software emulation due to limits of DE-10, and ALL of this while delusional mister sisters tell people it’s flawless FPGA and no different than real hardware. Actual biggest bunch of bullshitters in the retro community today, it’s pathetic. Also your Mars snake oil cope is even worse but that’s a different story.
why does it always have to be eitheror in these threads?
just to start flamewar or what?
the misterfpga project is a wonderful gift
but the idea that pcbhardware are obsolete now is a farce
there is still much work to be done
& by the time MARS is outreadily available the nerdsgeeksdorksautists will move their efforts to the new shiny thing
mister is worth it alone though for:
neogeo, cps(2), and the vertical arcade games on crt
its one of my favorite computers ive ever had in a LONG time
anyways
bye
you don't need a $600 emulation box
>$600
when will this meme die
the de-10 is on ebay all the time sub $200
obv "worth it lol" at that price
no one told you to go on a shopping spree getting all those snac adapters, hubs, & iO ports and shieeeeett
If you're just coming into retro and got sold on the $200 de10, you still need controllers, controller adapters, USB hubs and whatever else in order to actually play the fricking games. It's a cash drop to get setup in any good format, not just hdmi out with 1 USB port. You wan to use actual controllers, you'll need adapters. you want more than HDMI out, you need an adapter, you want more USB hubs, you need an adapter, you want non hdmi audio, adapter, etc...
Mister sisters also need a protective case. Because if they keep it naked, wienerroaches will crawl into it.
>wienerroaches
Not everyone is affected by 3rd world problems
Yet it's poorgays who buy up a MiSTer due to the increase in price for original hardware, physical games, and accessories. Plus buying flash carts, HDMI converters, and ODE's are also pricey. Your emulation box also has issues with some consoles, as well as being unable to play Dreamcast, Xbox, PS2 and Gamecube. MARS is about to make the MiSTer obsolete. Thus you've wasted $615 on a MiSTer.
This is assuming that MARS isn't a wet fart, which it might be.
You fear the idea of MARS replacing your precious MiSTer.
>he doesn't know I also made the post that was hyped about more FPGA platforms
>This is assuming that MARS isn't a wet fart, which it might be.
Mars has already made an appearance at gaming conventions and has been play tested by people. It's legit.
>Mars has already made an appearance at gaming conventions and has been play tested by people. It's legit.
It was shown playing some obscure 80s arcade games. I want to see it doing things MiSTer can't do, like Dreamcast/Naomi. That was one of the things they were most hyping up about it, why didn't they show it?
Well, it certainly has enough gates to run Dreamcast in theory. The problem is that someone still has to create said core. As you move up in generations the hardware you're replicating becomes waaaaay more complex. It requires either a team of autismos willing to do it for free or actually paying people to do it. The N64 is probably the upper limit of what one person could do on their own and even that console is a collection of black boxes.
Mister is a good living project because of Sorgelig who basically delivered and maintains the whole platform. Alternatives like Sidi went stale pretty quickly, Mist is maintained somewhat but mister is driven by Sorgelig's pure anger.
>Sorgelig's pure anger
What is he angry about
600? damn mister is 15 dolla off right now? I'm finna get one
Sounds like a cope. Are you alright mister? Need a chill pill? Did the pressure of collecting physical get to ya? Oh well. Thankfully I've already collected every single game, console and handhelds I have ever wanted.
Based!
>when will this meme die
When MiSTerAddOns lowers the price of their completed MiSTer.
>When MiSTerAddOns lowers the price of their completed MiSTer.
You'd buy a Raspberry Pi from Amazon though; there's really no helping some people.
Well Raspberry Pi 5 just came out and is reasonally priced. From what I've seen, RP5 is impressive. So yeah, I would buy one.
OMFG you really are hopeless.
Not really. I see no valid reason to waste money on a MiSTer. But you go ahead and buy one if you think you need one.
They might be idiots or they're shilling. They know full well Gaming PC's are superior, but they refuse to put in the effort to buy & build one themselves.
Frick off marketer shill. I got a 3b+ years ago for $30 and it perfectly emulates everything up through PSX and a few N64 and Dreamcast games. No ones buying your over priced dogshit when they can get the same thing with a better UI and it's 20 times cheaper
Do you really think Misteraddons pays people to make threads here?
Do you really think businesses don't direct advertisements towards the densest populations of prospective customers they can find? Of fricking course there are paid shills here
Only the most plebian moron would buy from that ripoff site.
his ram is good
>i don't into comprehension
That's fine bub, you didn't need to pretend to follow the convo to make an idiot of yourself, but i thank you for not even trying.
I love it when marketers like you lose your shit it's fricking hilarious
yep, you got me, losing my shit. I mean, it's either that or simply that you didn't bother reading the thread.
I prefer “digital clone console” box
No cartridge slot or a CD/DVD slot, it's an emulation box.
You're trying to tell me something like the Retron or the AtGames versions of the Genesis mini consoles are not emulation just because they have a cartridge slot?
Yes. Heck the Genesis mini has a cartridge slot and it's not even functional! Lol But at least I get to insert a custom cartridge.
*emulation box
Nah, you do you though
>emulation box
Correct. FPGA is just a gimmick to sucker idiots to buy overpriced underpowered hardware. MiSTer is no different from buying a PC and installing emulators(cores) to play games with. At least ANALogue uses a cartridge slot to play games with, but their consoles is still overpriced. May as well be buying original hardware and an HDMI converter instead, since it's cheaper and better than ANALogue.
morons that say this never factor in the arcade PCB prices.
Arcades can be easily emulated on PC.
But not to the standard of MiSTer cores, you do follow the devs on twitter to see all the stuff they have done that MAME doesn’t? For example if we take the CPS2 do you know what Jotego’s FPGA emulation does better?
>follow the devs on twitter
You sound like you're trying to annoy the guy rather than convince anyone.
If you know something mister does better actually say it here.
I'm actually banned from twitterfor having both Anti-Nazi and Anti-Commie symbols on my banner, they consider it "hateful imagery", I'm unable to follow anyone, let alone devs(scammers). As for what MAME can or can't do, I'm not sure since I didn't download an entire library of arcade games. I only downloaded the games I enjoy playing most and they all work extremely well. Plus my graphics card might have played a part in it working well.
Not really, not from my experience anyways.
>Not really, not from my experience anyways.
Because you're a moron.
False. Only morons buy a MiSTer.
I've got real arcade PCBs. You use MAME and think nothing is wrong. lol
>buys arcade pcbs and mister
now thats a double moron
There really isn't anything wrong. For example when I play Splatterhouse on my PC, it performs better on PC than it would on my console minis(actually it doesn't even work on the minis). However I did test Batman '89 on one of my minis and it works fine, but performs better on my PC. So depending on the hardware, you'll either get shit results(mini consoles) or perfect results(PC).
There's a lot of compatibe games on MAME, but that doesn't mean I have time to play them all and not all of them are worth playing(MK4 for example).
> There's a lot of compatibe games on MAME, but that doesn't mean I have time to play them all and not all of them are worth playing(MK4 for example).
Which again has nothing to do with the point I made. Stupid as frick, the lot of you. Babbling morons.
>Stupid as frick
Says the guy who bought arcade PCB's and owns a MiSTer. Lol
Buying arcade PCB's are pointless by the way, it's like buying a Corvette without it's shell or wheels.
>Buying arcade PCB's are pointless by the way, it's like buying a Corvette without it's shell or wheels.
What the frick? That has to be the stupidest statement yet in what have become the most blockheadedly intransigent threads on /vr/. Can we give you a medal, please?
You sound triggered. The actual stupidity is buying an arcade PCB, when all you need is a PC and MAME.
That anti-hardware stance is neat. Enjoy yourself.
OMFG you anti-MiSTer clowns need to shut up about Misteraddons. Stop fricking advertising them.
https://nitter.net/topapate
I only download arcade playable games on MAME but that doesn’t mean I can’t look at what FPGA devs are doing on the many places to get that info. No one here that doesn’t own a MiSTer seems to be following what’s been done at all.
Correct, nobody here reads shitter but you.
Now, if after subjecting yourself to that you learned some valuable info on what the devs are doing that's actually relevant to the discussion you can share it here in your own words or at least post a screenshot, otherwise why are you even bringing this up.
I asked the question to prove that no one round here knows a thing, not been shown otherwise yet.
You have a unique chance to prove that you know a thing by saying what it is. The rest of us don't have the mental fortitude to spend hours scrolling past adverts for new controller adapters and 80's movie references and ugly 3d printed cases to get to the nugget of developer's wisdom.
>every tweet is some middle aged dude doing self promotion talking fluent marketingese like they're running mcdonalds corporate account
I respect the work some of them doing as developers but this is just painful to scroll through lol
Arcade software emulation has been shit for years.
>oh yeah? well what about the... ummm..--
>*checks viral marketing cheat sheet
>--prohibitive price of arcade printed circuit boards?
>Why yes I own several as well.
No, you misheard me, I distinctly said "steamed hams"
>we
Jesus Christ theyre providing you with fricking MySpace memes to bring to the front lines? Im gonna take a wild guess here and say that your marketing firm is based out of Canada
You are pretty invested in getting mad about mister. The lady doth protest too much, methinks
I dont give a frick about mister, but im not going to be gaslit by some homosexualy marketing moron. I hope you go bankrupt and your children starve 🙂
>No cartridge slot or a CD/DVD slot
yet
Also It doesn't change the fact its a digital clone
>>No cartridge slot or a CD/DVD slot
>yet
IIRC there aren't enough spare pins on the FPGA to implement a cartridge slot, though it might be possible through other means. Not sure how viable using multiplexers would work for something like that.
Optical drive though SHOULD be doable.
Considering this idiot keeps going "LOLOLOL $615! Misteraddons is the only official site!" it's clear he's just a troll who isn't even putting any effort into changing his low-hanging bait.
Anyone, such as
, who thinks anybody would give the slightest shit to "shill" on Ganker of all places in 2024, especially the fricking retro board, is an idiot. This place is full of people who are skeptical and jaded as frick as well as trolls, trying to "shill" here would be a waste of time. This isn't 2006 anymore, there are far better places to find far more gullible morons to shill to, look at how easily people believe anything on TikTok. There is a new "hack" or "challenge" or whatever the frick they call it now on there that starts trending every 10 seconds.
All the cartridge slots on the Retron or AtGames Genesis do is dump a copy of the ROM into a file and then run that file like any other software emulator. Even the Polymega does this. The only systems I am aware of that that actually run the game off the cart and not just a dumped copy are the Analogue systems.
It would be possible on the DE10-nano to use one of the GPIO banks to interface a cartridge port, the GPIO is used for the RAM board and in many cores a ROM image is copied to the RAM board and executed as if it were a cartridge. The analog FPGA systems interface with carts and they have much less powerful hardware than the DE10.
It is possible to plug a Commodore disk-drive or printer into the Mister as well and use them natively. It would be possible to do this with any
There are endless chink handheld threads on this very board where the shills for wumao product A fight against the marketers for wumao product B. It's not a stretch at all to assume an even higher dollar product that is very specific to this boards tastes would be shilled here
Those wumao fights are incredible though, it’s like digital bum fights, I’d bet on them if I could find a bookie for it
No need to shill mister it sells itself, amazing project. Its competitors analog and mars, well...
>I don't need to shill it, this bad boy sells itself
Retroarch does everything it does and more, for free
Mister is also free, it's a framework with vhdl recreations of classic systems. The de10-nano is not free, but neither is a computer so I'm not sure what your point is.
the device you made that post with will be able to at least emulate everything the mister can
Yes but it's not in the same room as my TV. Hence the preference for a separate device.
Everyone outside of Nigeria already has a phone and computer capable of running retroarch. There is zero cost.
We get it you love your dumpster dive PC. You can't bear to be without it, it is your life. When you're not curating your library of emu roms, you're playing a couple of levels of all your favourite kids games before settling in for 12 hours of whispering sweet nothings to your PC while you goon yourself blind to troony porn. We get it, you do you.
Looks like
was right. It's always funny when shills get put in their place and have to pretend to be regular anons. You stand out like a Black person at a klan rally because nothing you post is organic
>guerilla marketer having a melty
Uh oh! Stinky! Welcome to Ganker, homosexual. You're here forever now.
Yes I have a M.i.s.t.e.r. too
My
Incredible
Sexy
Tender
Efficient
RaspberryPi
You find Pi's sexy?
My
Incredible
Seethe
Triggering
Electronic
Rig
>I'm considering selling my current stock
lol
I haven't even gone through the trouble of buying a MiSTer but I did sell my entire retro collection with one in mind. Of course, I didn't sell it out of sheer principle--but instead I really needed to scare up a few thousand dollars. Even if I had just continued to collect for "mainline" consoles it would have never ever ended. and paying more money for games as time goes on--it isn't like the used copies in circulation are getting any nicer. Used hardware isn't getting any younger. not that I'm scared of tinkering but cleaning dirty carts with q-tips and cracking open plastic shells to clean connectors and replace disk drives and such--that's also not why I'm there, in the first place. and I'm definitely a latency homosexual but I also have realized that the only games that feel really wrong and fricked to me are the games I've been extra familiar with for my whole life already, and while that does account for many games, it is nothing compared to the thousands of games I have only ever heard about, or rented once or something.
I was laid off for a few months this year and ended up messing around a lot with RetroArch and Launchbox after I grabbed a full MAME set. I had a blast. It even kind of slowed down my drive for a MiSTer because PC emulation really is about 90% as good as FPGA stuff, and the difference is very, very very minimal. Still I think it would be fun to have a dedicated box to plug into my CRT, and should I ever decide that it's extra necessary for me to play a game with the proper controller, I could if I really wanted to.
There's so many games I wanna check out and I just don't need to own them all. and so many rabbit holes that would just be ridiculous to go down in the "legit hardware" sense. Like, what am I gonna do, pay 3000 dollars for a copy of Metal Slug X? I'm not a maniac.
the future of old games is bright. thank god for hackers and such.
MiSTer bros, Atari has just announced a mini Atari 8-bit. If that thing plays Mr. Cool while the MiSTer Atari 800 core draws garbage on that game, it's over.
Mistergays will tell you it’s indistinguishable from the real hardware but if any game is buggy they either ignore it or say “well it’s open source someone COULD fix it” (last commit 2 years ago)
>last commit 2 years ago
That's unfortunately kinda true for Atari 800 core. There was a recent grind on the C64 core to get rid of an extremely obscure graphic glitch in one particular demo, involving half a dozen people cooperating and brainstorming solutions. Meanwhile there's not a single dedicated dev who wants to work on Atari computer core, leading to still being pretty much a direct port of a way older FPGA implementation with all of its non-MiSTer related quirks and issues.
If mistergays were a little more honest about this stuff I wouldn’t even bother, but there’s SO much bullshit and lying about this problem and the whole “it’s 100% always better than software emulation” stance is such unfiltered dog shit lying it’s pathetic, buy a fricking ad already damn
>seething about shit you dont own
lol, rent free
>rent free
Wrong. MiSTer Foundation mails me $50 every month so I keep thinking about them.
>B-b-but it's cheap!!!
So? It's not free.
>There was a recent grind on the C64 core to get rid of an extremely obscure graphic glitch in one particular demo, involving half a dozen people cooperating and brainstorming solutions.
Nice to see, I recall watching a video recently on something similar to MAME's implementation of the TRS-80 CoCo being problematic for a single game (Dragonfire) that did some odd things, but trying to fix it was hard without breaking many other games. I wonder how the MiSTer handles Dragonfire on the TRS-80 CoCo.
this game also has issues when being played on a CoCo 3 rather than a CoCo 1 or 2. Imagic did some weird shit.
CoCo2 core shits itself completely on Dragonfire.
The game apparently does a lot of funky things as each horizontal line is being drawn to manage the colors it does, there was a guy who documented how he fixed it in MAME:
Isn't this just RGB vs NTSC output or something?
reminds me of the NES palettes
CoCo3 core looks even worse, but the game is not supposed to work properly on a real CoCo3. MAME CoCo3 emulation shows similar garish colors.
Atari fans could always patreon Sorgelig or Kitrinx or whoever to fix it. Whenever I play on that core all I think is I could be playing this on c64 or Apple.
It's probably a minor timing glitch on the copper drawing those lines. The vic20 had some timing issues and broken NTCS and Sorgelig fixed them one day when he got around to it. There's still some edge-case issues visible in robotic liberation but otherwise perfect, the problem is that Sorgelig is just one guy.
>Jeux
>choix
god i hate frogs and everything they stand for
Why?
>I'm never buying a physical game ever again
Even if I tell you I have the only known build of the last game made by your late father?
I rarely buy physical games as I have my consoles modded and have even been selling my duplicate games off piece by piece. MiSTer and SNAC do make keeping my peripherals worthwhile as I can still use my PlayStation, Genesis, and SNES stuff.
FGPA Everdrive>Steam Deck>>Aya Neo pro>>Aya Neo Air>Recalbox>Ayn Odin 2>>Ayn Loki Max>>Asus ROG Ally>Retroid Pocket 4 Pro>Retroid Pocket 4 Pocket 3/3+
RG552>>Ayn Loki Pi>Homebrewed and CFW-injected PS Vita A13>>KTR1 X28>Caanoo>Lakka>Aya Neo regular>RP2S Mini Flip>>MARS>Miyoo Mini +>Anbernic RG505 Smart Pro>Powkiddy A12>>Ayn Odin>Powkiddy X18S>Powkiddy RK2023 353p>Anbernic351p Pocket 2/2+>Powkiddy RGB 30MAX 35XX+>Bactocera>Hacked and CFW injected 3DS Mini>>Game Park 32>>CFW-injected PSP>Minisforum>Anbernic RG35XX>>Revo k101 330>Powkiddy RGB 20S>Powkiddy RGB 10 Max 320 v90 Pocket Pocket 1
>Data Frog SF2000>Dingoo 380>Powkiddy q80>Gamebox SP>Anbernic RG 405m q20>Coolboy rs-97+
>Pirate multicart>Powkiddy q90>MiSTER Flip>Poly Mega>Powkiddy a66 rs-97
>Retroid Flip>Poly Mega>Powkiddy a66 rs-97
What did they do to be at the bottom?
Well I can't speak for the others, but Polymega promised a modular FPGA system and then just delivered a fancy overpriced equivalent of a Retron, except at FPGA prices and still with the overpriced modular accessories. So I feel that one deserves to be at the bottom of the list.
Also to the copypasta guy: "Polymega" is one word.
it's really amazing how big a pile of shit the polymega became, and how fast, and how overpriced, and how bad the clusterfrick was.
Add in the absolutely ridiculous saga with getting pre-orders shipped. I think it took four years after starting to take money to get the first units shipped, and even then they prioritised Youtube 'influencers'.
There's a good thread on Atari Age chronicling the debacle. Looks like some people are still waiting for theirs!
https://forums.atariage.com/topic/261689-retroblox/
They probably made more money releasing what they did than releasing what they promised.
Frick off, shill.
Yep a shill for FPGA . they need them
It's Gotta play Saturn & Dreamcast or not buying it
When will they finally support a new FPGA board?
AMD and Sipeed came out with boards that are cheaper and more powerful than the DE10 Nano
Who's "they"? There are alternatives which are cheaper like sidi or the original mist. But the de-10 nano hardly breaks the bank at $225.
$225 for an underpowered board? No thanks.
What boards are those, anon?
Kria and Tang Mega
That's actually pretty dope, I'm not sure if you could directly port MiSTer to the Tang Mega since that uses a RISC-V CPU instead of ARM, but it'd be based if we actually did see FPGA emulation on something cheaper than a DE-10 nano.
I can't seem to find (readable) specs for the Kria, but the Tang Mega has about 28k more LE than the DE-10 nano. I wonder if that'd be enough to emulate any more systems of worth?
>I can't seem to find (readable) specs for the Kria, but the Tang Mega has about 28k more LE than the DE-10 nano. I wonder if that'd be enough to emulate any more systems of worth?
There's more to it than just the LE's, the amount of BRAM and the speed matters too, among other things.
there is already a project making mister cores board agnostic.
DE10 nano is subsidised, I doubt any other FPGA would be that cheap
Sorgelig and a group recently had a crunch and got the last 1% of glitches out of the c64/c128 cores, now they are absolutely perfect.
astroturfed board
why can you people just buy a PC, what is so scary about it lol... you dont have to put it together yourself if you really insist on not having lego skills. Skip all this 'mini consoles', retro creampies and other shit and just join the big boys already. Annoys me that there are even this many products, it's like dont you already have a PC?? Why the frick not???
PCs can't do 240p analog out.
I agree OP, I've been selling off my consoles and games and I just stick with emulation now. It does everything.
Just get a PC that isnt complete dogshit and get retroarch
>Just get a PC that isnt complete dogshit in order to install something on it that's complete dogshit
Can retroarch do hardware emulation?
>hardware emulation
>software emulation
>emulation
The FPGA scammers truly brainwashed you.
>the motherboard manufacturer scammed you when you built your PC
That's how dumb you sound
kek
>FPGA is better than PC
That's how dumb you sound.
When people were using these boards as crypto minors do you think people were saying PCs were better?
>the motherboard manufacturer scammed you when you built your PC
You bet they did
>Can retroarch do hardware emulation?
Does it really matter?
Can you honestly put Gambatte on 1 screen and MiSTeR's GB core on another and tell me the precise difference between how Donkey Kong '94 is running with a visual example?
MiSTeR would be impressive if it were emulating consoles that didn't already emulate practically perfectly to perfectly and did up to Dreamcast, GCN and PS2.
>but N64
Full of hacky solutions, just like the current state of PC emulation.
I have one as well. Geez get a job kid.
And where can I find a pc that has zero latency perfectibility synchronized audio/video output?
I do this because I'm not a dumb fricking incel.
Games play just as good emulated, look just as good with some shader tweaking, and don't guarantee me to a life of being a moronic basement shitheel. Feels good.
>Newest console it can emulate is the PS1
Kek. At that point I'd rather play the sudoku from the newspaper. You gays really spend more than 100 bucks to play games a fricking thinkpad could emulate perfectly?
it can emulate n64 games too!
It actually can’t, at least nowhere near the degree software emulation can. Also can’t do Saturn as good as beetle Saturn, can’t do Dreamcast at all, can’t do NDS or PSP which while not retro are easily emulated everywhere else and do have some definitive editions of retro games like SF Alpha 3 and chrome trigger, plenty of other half assed or abandoned cores
SPURG: "JUST GET A PC ITS ALL YOU NEED!!!?"
GADGET ENJOYER: "why not have multiple hardware. Specialized hardware for different things?"
Spurg: "YOU JUST CANT OKEY....!"
>stock
frick off price gouging troony. im not selling my games to you
$599 with promo codes & price drops on Black Friday and no higher. I mean, get real.
You think fpga can compete with handhelds if both keep raising their prices.
It's STILL emulation. STILL piracy. What are you really investing in.
Suggest op keeps his collection
>aluminum
>armor
You can do a lot cheaper than that.
This video has a good overview of software emulation vs FPGA.
how about a gif that shows what FPGA is
Field Programmable Granny Arrays?
gay Posters Gooning Always
Forget Playstation Games Anyway
homosexual Poor Groomer Allies
audibly laughed.
You know what's funny? I have every single console from a2600-xbox, boxed up with every major peripheral, arcade stick, every drives and od'ed, I went on a spree over covid. You know what keeps me from selling physical collection? The off brand shit like the 3DO that doesn't have a core yet. If I could get everything up the Xbox on mister I'd sell it all. I love the mister its fantastic, its literally like a generation and a half away from being perfect.
meh
If "perfect" emulation was what you were waiting for then sure
Mister definitely runs things better than emulation. Even basic shit like SNES stuff runs better, cps1 arcade cores run better. I'm not trying to convince anyone, I personally have a better experience playing on mister. With a front end it would be fricking psycho.
I think it's mostly placebo, not shitting on it but a lot of people talk about it like emulation for the consoles it does, outside of arcade because MAME is pretty shit, mostly seems like people like it because they don't have to deal with setting up emulators
I played on emulators since the 90s, and was on the fence for a Mister until I started playing a lot on my hacked mini consoles. It made me realise that minis suck for emulation and that I wanted a small, quiet system that I could play games on my couch. So I got a mister and it was night and day. If you like games, get one.
I genuinely don't feel like it is. Here's the thing I have an Xbox S setup with retroarch I have a PC that used to have everything on it, now it only runs fightcade. I literally get farther in arcade game runs like final fight on the mister. Don't get me wrong I love fightcade, stuff seems to run a little better on that the my Xbox.
You might be right it could be placebo, but even turn punching in FF is easier, games with tight combo timing like the early KOF games seem easier too. I dunno. Mister can be fricking chore, I didn't go into it with any bias. Update all seems to break my mister once a year, the folder system is dumb and I hate the fact that there's nothing in terms of a front end, its not that I WANT to love it, I just do, hell I bought mine years ago when they didn't cost much.
To each their own, I dont hate traditional emulation, something's are better some are worse. Mame and retroarch can go frick themselves though.
>Mame and retroarch can go frick themselves though.
A lot of Mister lovers are RA haters, not surprising to be honest
I just prefer using real hardware
My tastes tend to retro computers which are really cluttery and prone to just taking a shit. Mister is a godsend for me.
I can definitely see that for sure
VMs can be a pain sometimes and DOSbox isn't the best
But that was the original intended purpose for it wasn't it?
Yeah first minimig then mist which begat mister. The Commodore 8-bit cores are really amazing now and the Speccy is also perfect, with much developement in the past from ZXuno/ZXnext etc.
Also AppleII and Mac+ cores are pretty nice as is the Amstrad cores.
I don't mind retroarch and use it occasionally but really really hate mame so kinda true.
MiSTer lover here. Retroarch is my go-to frontend whenever I want to software emulate. I use it for everything but Dolphin and PS2.
You're making up false scenarios in your head (which I imagine you do a lot)
Exceptions aren't the rule
>I hate the fact that there's nothing in terms of a front end
This is the best part.
it runs every console it supports at its native refresh rate on my panasonic plasma tv that doesnt even support those refresh rates. zero stutter, zero audio artifacts, near zero lag. not a single pc emulator can do that.
and if you think I'm wrong, then show me Crono sprinting at the milenial fair without a single hitch
>and if you think I'm wrong, then show me Crono sprinting at the milenial fair without a single hitch
lol, it definitely is a placebo
>Crono sprinting at the milenial fair without a single hitch
Question, wouldnt this hitch occur on any sidescrolling game? Like why not do a hold-right kaizo level in SMW to prove the point
no?
why would it do that?
FPGA is also pretty interesting, I wish this was available when I was studying digital design over 30 years ago.
It was, it was just really expensive.
>Saturn core gets updated for the second time in less than a week
Life is good
Open source projects don't have marketing budgets...
frick off marketing homosexual. you have failed here. perhaps you will have better luck on twitter
All these years later and you are still too poor to own one.
Not owning one has nothing to do with being poor. For example I have $615 to buy one right now, but I choose not to because it's 100% useless to me, it holds no real value.
Why are you here then? Just ignore it.
I'm here to Add On to the discussion, MiSTer.
>You are too poor to own a Mister
Kopi luwak, the coffee made from beans shat out by cats, is also expensive. Doesn't mean I have to go out and buy it just to prove I'm not poor.
>cats
It's not actually a cat, but yeah your point still stands.
But do you lose your mind and go on a crusade to shit up any and every discussion on kopi lowak because you think regular coffee is just as good?
Nobody is 'losing their minds' here, but if I were a coffee enthousiast who frequently visits a dedicated coffee forum _and_ get spammed by literal randoms who claim that Kopi Lowak is the best thing ever with anyone disagreeing is labeled as poor will indeed get the feedback to frick off with their overpriced shit.
Mister isn’t overpriced though, it’s a massive bargain for what you get. I could spend $3k on a PC and it won’t do what I can with that little box.
Mister isn’t for you, so go engage in a topic that is because you aren’t well close to being well informed enough to partake in this one or make any judgement on the quality of either software or hardware emulation, you frick off with your shit.
Except you're not getting spammed. People make a single thread about the MiSTer and post in it. The board isn't full of MiSTer or FPGA threads. This is like someone making a single thread about Kopi Lowak to discuss it and people who hate it going into that thread to keep trolling the other posters there. You CHOSE to enter this thread, about the MiSTer, just to complain about the MiSTer. And not even make valid complaints but go "LOLOLOL $615! Misteraddonss is the only valid site. You are all shills LOLOLOL!"
mmm look at those payday bars
No one wants to buy your little emulation PC. I could easily buy and build a micro-PC and have retroarch installed instead. No point in buying a MiSTer.
>No one wants to buy your little emulation PC. I could easily buy and build a mister and have cores installed instead. No point in buying a jank.
Between buying and building a gaming PC versus buying a MiSTer at $615, I'd say a gaming PC gives you more for your money than some jank emulation box(MiSTer). Sure gaming PC's cost more, but it is worth it.
You seem like the kind of guy that would actually buy a $600 "gaming PC"
Wrong. *I* seem like it, not him. You can't even tell us apart.
Nah. My gaming PC cost around $1200 to put together.
Defensive?
I was actually bragging. It was a fun build.
I don't care what the haters say, I like my mister.
Groovy_mister core also looks pretty cool and lets you render PC to mister with groovy. Lower latency than to video card too!
Shhhh, don't derail the thread with actial MiSTer discussion.
Poorgays get buttmad at anyone interested in an expensive products. If your not going to add to the conversation then leave. Come on, get!
Software emu is like gooning to troony porn and pretending it's as good as a real woman.
That same logic can be applied to "hardware" emulation. Never as good as real hardware is.
Composite always being better than RGB, you mean?
Mister is actually better than original hardware. Much clearer video, no gay mods or gay carts to deal with, use any controller you like, works on HDMI.
I prefer a professional product that won't be out of date once Mars comes out.
Here's the real shilling.
>Mister posters calling others shills
Oh the irony
Why?
How's arcade gaming on the mister these days? Are the CPS boards hardware accurate?
I believe the CPS cores are used for fightan tournaments, now.
No, wait, they're not good. They're horrible. You should use a gaming PC. I mean, they should. The fightans. I'm just a shill who thinks you should overpay for an open-source project because you're moronic. Or something. Did i get that right, guys? Hur hur.
>gayC as an authority on anything
no.
yeah, why trust the guys who care about accuracy, right? Good job.
IDK but if the anon near the start of this thread is right about there being probs with CPS3, then i would guess not?
Anon was obviously a troll, nothing they wrote is correct. Jotego said CPS3 would take a lot more time to develop than he originally thought so put it to the side, but it will happen, man power is the only problem there.
>man power is the only problem there
Just like with software emulation. Or with any software development. Your Mister is no special.
>CPS cores are used for fightan tournaments, now.
Also cps3?
Every single opinionated thread on this website can be and ought to be boiled down to poors vs. not-poors. Always remember that.
/vr/ games are basically free and yet there are constant console wars and shitflinging at various games.
FPGA's are being used to model the human brain.
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>FPGAs are being meme’d for funding
ftfy
thats just what someone with a brain poorly emulated on a lenovo desktop found in a dumpster would say
yeah im not paying $600 for a fricking scratched up ps2 horror. i like the idea of using my old hardware im just not gonna pay scalpers anything
>The emulators I used in my gaming PC seems 100% accurate to me.
But they aren’t.
> The Genesis/Mega Drive isn't that hard to emulate.
So show me a gate level accurate software emulator for the console if it’s that easy.
> So am I "uninformed"?
Very much so, which you reinforce with every sentence you type.
> MiSTer isn't breaking new ground because people who prefer original hardware
MiSTer isn’t for that crowd, it’s breaking new ground for emulation.
> Gaming PC's can already do what MiSTer does.
Just not at full speed on the best available desktop CPU money can buy.
> Raspberry Pi 5 also rivals the MiSTer and so will the MARS.
Pi is a fine choice if you’re a casual on a budget, again not the same audience that will want FPGA hardware.
>Your MiSTer is already becoming obsolete.
Good, FPGA made software emulation for the consoles and arcade games it supports obsolete so hopefully MARS can do the same for Dreamcast and others, once it does that I will buy it too. Unlike you I welcome progress.
>Unlike you I welcome progress.
You can wait years and years for "progress". I on the other hand will play my games right now on both CRT or HDTV with original hardware.
Mister is the progress for emulation that I have waited years and years for, now it actually exists I too can use it on a CRT and HDTV. You prefer real hardware? That’s cool, good for you.
>N64 emulation still sucks
>Dreamcast emulation still sucks
>PS2 emulation still sucks
>Everything else still sucks
>"Mister is the progress that I have waited years for"
???
>Why hasn't this FPGA based emulator magically made all of software emulation better? Including software emulators for systems it doesn't even support like Dreamcast or PS2?
Meanwhile the CPS emulation in MAME has gotten better because the MiSTer code for it Jotego made showed that it was running at very wrong speeds and caused much higher error rates in tests (0.08% in MiSTer vs 44% in software emulation)
If the fixes got ported back to MAME anyway, what's the raspberry pi for?
Because not all of them do get ported back, some can't be ported back due to it being an advantage of a FPGA. Also the fixes for your Walmart ePC would never have gotten there without MiSTer existing in the first place.
Which?
>Because not all of them do get ported back, some can't be ported back due to it being an advantage of a FPGA.
Excuse me, allow me to consult the giant list of every improvement FPGA brought over the years of reading about them and cross-reference it with my list of which ones did and did not make it to software emulators.
Is it that painful to say that you don't know?
More I did read up on several among thousands of other bits of FPGA emulation news over the years but I didn't commit specific cases of that to memory like I did the CPS example.
Seems like mister got dedicated developers that care about accuracy while mame doesn't
Not true, the CPU wait states are still not emulated in MAME and neither are the DMA timings that you referenced. MAME still has HLE Qsound too, CPU requirements would go way up with LLE so the devs don’t want to include it.
>Not true, the CPU wait states are still not emulated in MAME and neither are the DMA timings that you referenced
It's not even like those things are prohibitively demanding on consumer CPUs. mGBA implements them for a comparable platform and it runs on cheap chinkphones. MAME just sucks, as a matter of development priorities.
Didn't even know MAME used HLE tricks like that. Just how much would the requirements go up? QSound isn't exactly something used in anything recent.
CPU requirements would go up a lot, i7-6700 thread territory. Then it doesn’t emulate those DMA timings at all, that would be another CPU hit as would CPU wait states. CPS2 is no joke to emulate accurately in software, this is why FPGA’s are ideal, none of those timing and accuracy improvements have a performance impact.
>CPU requirements would go up a lot, i7-6700 thread territory.
This processor is nearly 10 years old. Poorgays need to be shown the door.
A top of the line CPU from 2015 that is JUST for the Qsound part, not even the entire rest of the system. That's pretty excessive. There are games that still make my 11700K stutter in MAME even without those additional layers. People talk about using a Pi here all the time, the 6700 would trounce even a Pi5.
>There are games that still make my 11700K stutter in MAME
Any that play on MiSTer? Genuine question, I don't bother with MAME much.
Not that I am aware, no. Mostly those are newer titles. Some are a total mess of barely working emulation though that the Mars (if it's not snake oil) MIGHT be capable of handling... others are well out of the realm of any FPGA that would not cost as much as a car.
I don’t think that’s the emulator but more so the shitty front end that MAME uses that doesn’t take modern niceties like VRR and shaders like RA does
I think sync issues are the number one problem with stutter and input lag with standalone emulation
Stop replying to yourself
idiot
Progress in hardware, emulating on an affordable FPGA with a solid community effort behind it.
It was thought any sort of N64 emulation was impossible on the DE-10, but it will still be better than anything software can do when finished. DC and PS2 lmao, those will come later on better FPGA’s.
>which is very necessary for certain shmups.
Maybe, if you're a dirty fricking cheater.
If I'm a cheater, then why I'm not in jail? That's right, because autofire is condoned by law.
It seems cool but I'm honestly pretty pleased with the Wii as an emulator box. I'm sure there are improvements by going the FPGA route but nothing I've seen has really screamed 'you need this' to me
That's cool if your happy.
I was using a wii for over a decade before I got a Mister. The Mister is slightly better but if you already have a wii lying around it is hard to justify the upgrade if you are a poorgay.
>30+
lol
It will be exactly 29 years on March, 2024. At least, get the numbers right.
>I'm never buying a physical game ever again and I'm considering selling my current stock
I stopped buying physical games when my smartphone was able to emulate the PS1 with no problems. It's so convenient to be able to play some game while waiting for a meeting.
>Saturn updates are now regular instead appearing once a few months like for the last two years
I'm amazed the dude has managed to drop saturn and 32X while sperging in a war zone.
his cores suck
his genesis core got completely replaced recently
if he never started saturn fpgazumpass would have had it near perfect by now
He did SNES and Sega CD. Genesis core is a port of another pre-MiSTer project. The Sega CD and 32X cores should be rebuilt around the Mega Drive core though.
His SNES core is mostly a portjob as well right?
Regardless, all these early cores that were based on conjecture and not actual decapped boards are worthless.
people suck that guys wiener but he set this project massively
The HDL code for the SNES core is original, but it uses bsnes documentation for the architecture. SNES PPUs were complete black boxes at the point of core creation.
>bsnes documentation for the architecture
lmao
hopefully someone realizes how garbage a lot of these early cores are and we get a proper snes core like we did with MD.
>lmao
>garbage
You are lmaoing bsnes? I get that basing algorithms on recreations is less authentic than basing them on original hardware, but c'mon. You are offending byuu's unprecedented autism levels.
I am yeah, bsnes has problems
the snes core on mister is a bsnes core, not an actual implementation of the hardware.
I think the NES core is the same way but I'm not entirely sure
at this point, i'd rather use zsnes because at least it's comfy and runs on a potato
You're a fricking moron and you're not in good company trying to piggy back off my posts.
i can't hear you over the sound inaccuracies of the bazednes emulator
Does this thing even have a UI? You need usb adapters for every controller right? I don't quite get this product
It has the UI but it is spartan as frick. People compain about this, but the reason is that it is rendered by FPGA and has to coexist with all cores.
You have to have some USB device plugged to control it. Most USB controllers or adapters work out of the box. There's also a thing called SNAC which lets you use native controllers with appropriate cores on direct hardware access level, negating all latency from USB protocol, but this is limited to cores which used the interface of your controller and you can't interact with UI that way.
I see. It doesn't sound as plug and play as I'd like but I may invest in one a few years down the line when it's more refined and has more cores avalible. I'd want one for N64 which I don't think it does yet
>I see. It doesn't sound as plug and play as I'd like but I may invest in one a few years down the line when it's more refined and has more cores avalible.
In what way? Technically all you need is the DE-10 board itself and a microSD card, though many would recommend a RAM module as well since many cores won't run without it. Anything else is just fluff.
Also what cores do you want that it can't do yet? About the only thing left is CPS3 and random older arcade games. If you are hoping for Dreamcast or anything later, not possible.
>I'd want one for N64 which I don't think it does yet
It does, the N64 core has been in active development for a year now. When 2023 started Robert was hoping he would have at least one game booting on his N64 core by Christmas... the first game started booting in July and by early December EVERY N64 game was booting on the core. It's not 100% finished yet but most games are fully playable by now.
>I'd want one for N64 which I don't think it does yet
I think we are probably only a couple of months away from the N64 core getting released as part of the main distribution.
>People compain about this
They do? It's one of my favorite features. I hate the overdesigned ugly crap most emulator frontends use. With the exception of ZSNES UI purely for nostalgia.
You either love it for its utility or hate it for its lack of flavor. We both obviously fall into the first camp, but there are many more casual users who want a UI with game covers and shiet. Thr MARS guy already made a statement that his platform will have a more presentable interface.
I've never understood the want for game covers. You generally have to track all of those down, don't you?
(disregard the idea I've had for a flashcart with an e-ink label that changes to a label of the game you're currently playing)
>I've never understood the want for game covers. You generally have to track all of those down, don't you?
Not really, there are databases of them. Many frontends or emulators with built-in cover viewers like that have the option to just download them from said database. Even my ISO loader I have for my Wii lets me download the covers AND scans of the disk itself automatically from a database.
>(disregard the idea I've had for a flashcart with an e-ink label that changes to a label of the game you're currently playing)
You mean like this?
https://www.retroonyx.com/product-page/virtual-boy1
>it exists but only for a console less popular than the fricking Master System
W E W
Why don't we have this for N64 or Genesis, and in color?
>Why don't we have this for N64 or Genesis
Probably cost. You would need not just the screen but now need the modify the PCB to have a screen connector, program the software for it, and you can't use mostly the same molds for N64 carts everyone else uses with slight modifications but will need to make major modifications to now have a screen in place of the label.
Though I admit it would be neat as a premium version of the product, but I don't think there would be enough that would purchase it over the non e-ink version to justify the cost of development.
Virtual Boy has the advantage of practically no other flashcarts existing for it. (I have one that came from a series of HAND-MADE batches that aren't made anymore... and it doesn't even support saving... granted there was only about two or so Virtual Boy games that actually saved your progress and not just high scores, and of those one is(was) cheap and easy to find and could still be beaten in a single sitting if it came to that)
>and in color?
Color e-ink screens are still very uncommon in the US... or anywhere outside of... I think Germany? So I assume a color e-ink screen would not only be expensive to get, but also HARD to get... especially in a miniature size like that instead of a sheet-of-paper size intended for e-readers.
Best I could find with some quick searching is a 6 inch screen that costs about $70-75
https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/inky-impression-5-7?variant=32298701324371
Usually the best you can find when looking for a "color" e-ink screen (especially a tiny one) is one that on top of black and white can do ONE additional color (as in it can do only that one additional color, not that you can choose the color), usually red or yellow, such as pic related. These are generally intended to be used as price tags in stores.
Forgot to add to the bit about "I don't think there would be enough that would purchase it over the non e-ink version to justify the cost of development"
How many even look at the cart when playing the game anyway? Especially for systems where the cart goes into the system so you can't even see it.
Yeah they would be all the wahoomers that started coming onboard when the gen5 consoles got cores.
>but the reason is that it is rendered by FPGA and has to coexist with all cores.
Wait, really? I thought the UI was rendered on the ARM CPU?
I may be actually wrong on that, but the point is still valid. DE10-Nano ARM CPU is too weak to run an elaborate frontend. Existing menu already slows down CHD audio and MSU1 when you save.
>Existing menu already slows down CHD audio and MSU1 when you save.
That sounds more like slowdown from interfacing from the FPGA t outside components (opening the menu on the ARM/RAM and writing to MicroSD)
It's got a 800MHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 with 1GB of DDR3 RAM. It's no Pi5 in terms of ARM power but it's no slouch for something as simple as a GUI. Nobody is saying it needs to be like Batocera or Hyperspin.
>Does this thing even have a UI?
Yes, picrel.
>You need usb adapters for every controller right?
Not USB adapters, SNAC adapters.
They might look like a USB port (some use a HDMI port) but they are not wired like one. Don't plug a SNAC adapter into any standard USB port on any device either.
Also they are only needed if you want to use the original controllers/accessories. You can use any USB or wireless controller if you don't care about using the original controllers.
Just need a good low latency USB pad, that'll work on any core. I use a retrobit megadrive pad with the shoulder buttons.
Don't project your desires on others, that may come off as rude. I could have used any other image to express the feeling of joy after waiting for a long period of time.
man what is the point of these blatant shill threads
MiSTer is open source so I have no idea if the people shilling these are on MiSTer add-ons or just some autist
MiSTer is just that damn good, cope
Mister is perfect for me because that's what I want people to call me. Nintendo is for children. I'm an adult with money to waste
All this talk about "cores". Let's call it what it really is...EMULATORS!
its too ugly to look at, plus i like the tactile experience of (non US) snes carts
>its too ugly to look at
Well good news, that's just one of literally hundreds of cases and form factors. You can even not put it in a case at all, put it in an ITX board that fill fit in any PC case that accepts ITX motherboards, put it in an arcade cabinet with a JAMMA board, make it look like a console, whatever.
you're forgetting about this upcoming beast.
Not familiar with that one
the Atlantis mini itx board is only $11 too. so for like $60 your mister could look like this.
Mister is too fricking good and there is no reason for me to touch a traditional emulator again except convenience or lack of FPGA support.
I got bad news for ya mister, the MEMEster...er I mean MiSTer does have emulators. The shills refer to these emulators as "cores". And like any emulator, it will have problems(Saturn emulation isn't perfect).
>MiSTer does have emulators
>The shills refer to these emulators as "cores"
I think that's a curious remark because, for some reason that I don't care to understand, Retroarch refers to the compiled software emulators for libretro as cores. An FPGA core differs in that it physically reprograms the logic gates to behave as the target hardware. A libretro core cannot physically reprogram a general purpose CPU, but it can ask the CPU to interpret the instructions (which the more complicated the instructions, the more capable the CPU needs to be). That difference is why it's crucial that the human interprets the schematics to then turn it into instructions for the FPGA. Different solutions for the same desired outcome.
Seems these days people are trying to redefine or change meanings to words. But the way I came to this conclusion is this...
FPGA = PC graphics card/motherboard
Cores =Emulators
Emulators(cores) work like consoles. They usually need to be installed into a source(PC/FPGA) in order to work. Updates are always needed for improvement.
Now obviously without these emulators(cores), there is no way these games(rom files) will play automatically without it.
Where as with original hardware, the games will work automatically. Which isn't the same with FPGA because ANALogue consoles that uses cartridges has to dump the rom file before loading the game to play and those consoles are known for using FPGA.
Now the MiSTer is likely to act like a PC, since you need some kind of user interface to access the emulators and select the rom file to play the game. Plus the MiSTer lacks a cartridge or CD port, so how else do you access the emulators(cores) to play the rom files?
So in conclusion, there really is no difference between a MiSTer and a PC, or emulators and cores.
>Seems these days people are trying to redefine or change meanings to words.
More like people clearly not understanding the subject or deliberately mislabling things for the sake of sensationalizing a topic.
>So in conclusion, there really is no difference between a MiSTer and a PC, or emulators and cores.
The process for loading a ROM is similar, but the technical explanation is not as trivial.
Yet you're the one not understanding my side of the argument. I'm going to make very simple...
Original hardware = Woman
PC/FPGA = Transwoman
Emulators/Core installation = feminization surgery, breasts implants, etc
Obviosly emulation(hardware and software) will never be original hardware(real women).
Traps are superior to real women so this argument is silly.
Only a gay guy would make that claim.
>t. Muhammad
I don't know how, but you managed to make your original "FPGA = PC graphics card/motherboard" argument even more moronic.
Just fricking stop, you are about as good at making similes as Nintendo is at making netcode.
That's the stupidest thing I've seen all week and that's saying something.
What's stupid is your lack of common sense.
He’s arguing semantics
He’s not really wrong it’s just most people want to differentiate the word because the method is different
Here’s Wikipedias definition
>In computing, an emulator is hardware or software that enables one computer system (called the host) to behave like another computer system (called the guest). An emulator typically enables the host system to run software or use peripheral devices designed for the guest system.
>FPGA = PC graphics card/motherboard
I know I shouldn’t be but I’m still surprised at just how stupid the average internet user is. Know absolutely jack shit about a subject? Comment anyway lmao.
This is like saying a coal plant and a nuclear reactor are the same thing because they both provide electricity.
Not really since a coal plant would be like original hardware and nuclear would be a PC.
The main advantages of FPGA are that the reproduced logic operates synchronously as it would on the original platform, and is directly analagous to wiring chips up together. This provides accurate timing as a property and is why FPGA cores are more easy to implement deterministically accurate reproduced systems.
Also FPGA enthusiasts understand digital circuits and VLSI silicon chips, where software devs are usually trannies.
RetroArch has "cores", Ares has "cores", Mednafen has "cores". MAME is the odd one out and calls their cores "drivers".
MiSTer is an emulation framework which can load cores to emulate particular platforms. There's no evil intent to create newspeak behind the word "core".
One could say that emulation is "soft core" and FPGA is "hard core".
only original hardware is hardcore. Emulation like mister is for poorgays
And these "cores" consist of emulators. RetroArch being the prime example of using emulators. Somehow "emulators" has become a bad word in the FPGA community.
I bought one and been playing it ever since. I probably will never be able to move out of my mom's basement or lose my virginity after having hours of fun with the MiSTer!
emukiddies seething
MiSTer is emulation.
You just saved me $615! Thanks for your input.
samegay
It costs half that if you buy a DE-10 from Digikey and a parts/case kit from AliExpress. Assembly is ezpz
There are people making money off the mister project, but mister is open source
Don't feed the troll, he's been doing the "It costs $615!" bait for weeks now. Now that you took the bait he's about to point to you Mister Addons, show how a pre-built one is $615, and insist that's the "official" site. Dude's about as predictable as a chess game on the Atari.
I usually don't buy cheap parts from AliExpress, they're prone to fail.
That sounds completely made up. $615 gets brought up a lot when it comes to theprice of the MiSTer. Hence why I said $615. Never been to mister addons.
There are good sellers and bad sellers on Ali. The kit I bought there has been nice and stable so far, no issues
Alright, I'll check it out.
>We all know the only one bring up $615 over and over in these threads is you
>$615
You brought it up. So did you just admit to being the $615 "troll"?
According to his own logic, yes since he too brought it up. He can't imagine there would be more than one person mentioning that price, yet he mentions it too.
>You brought it up. So did you just admit to being the $615 "troll"?
What kind of Kindergarten level argument is that? Are you going to tell me "He who denied it supplied it" next too? I wasn't even the one who brought it up, it was
who brought it up, I warned the anon who took the bait that it's just the same troll who has been in these topics for months now.
Like I said, you tried to troll and got called out for your trolling and now are desperately trying to backpedal and go "No u!" so you can keep your braindead troll bait attempts going. I know you didn't have much going for you but holy shit, resorting to "You brought it up so you're the troll!" is some extreme infant level desperation.
>wall of text
Guilty conscious confirmed!
Alright, thanks anon.
I bought the kit from here (there is no reason to buy the DE-10 from them):
ttps://a.aliexpress.com/_mtORD6M
>So did you just admit to being the $615 "troll"?
Yes, I admitted. But I only did that because I love MiSTer. You wouldn't understand.
Desperately trying to change tactics because you got read like a book? We all know the only one bring up $615 over and over in these threads is you and your weak trolling attempts.
I recently sold all of the games for consoles that I can perfectly (or close enough) emulate on my PC.
I even use the real controllers now too, so it's no difference to me. I don't care about input lag, I've never noticed it.
I have a lot of retro hardware and it looks like FPGA will be the way those devices can be kept working into the distant future.
fpgas are rarted. Just get original hardware, or emulate. The frick is the point of this overpriced half measure?
I don’t think they’re bad, seems silly to be so anti device
The benefit is that it is a small box that lets you play most /vr/ at scale on any TV without a hitch and a some similar features of modern emulation
I get to have multiple systems that feel like original hardware in a device that looks perfect on my CRTs and has a small footprint. Only one video cable and one PSU to deal with.
Retroarch never even vaguely made me consider getting rid of original software or hardware, meanwhile Mister does.
What if the Pi5 runs 6th gen games on a CRT as well?
I ran a Pi3 through an analog RGB hat and it never looked as good as Mister output. It also required a janky custom build of retropie maintained by one guy. Maybe there are better ways now. Plus Retropie menus are shit and Retroarch is full of feature creep
Mister works quite well for the 2D stuff, think NES, Genesis, SNES, etc as it's pretty much identical to actual HW in behavior
For newer stuff (5th gen and up) the Mister is too slow for proper accurate emulation so you are better off with emulation as that gives you more flexibility overall.
It's not "too slow" in fact with PSX core it can run turbo and add texture processing. It just reaching the limit of logic elements available on the chip.
Mister is too slow for real accurate PS1 emulation. It uses a lot of hacks and shortcuts to make it run at fullspeed. Just use Duckstation instead.
Mister is (near) perfect for things like the NES, Genesis, and SNES
Shut up you stupid c**t
Why so upset? He's just stating the truth.
The mister isn't powerful enough to do _accurate_ 5th gen emulation. All those cores are full with shortcuts to make it work.
>All those cores are full with shortcuts to make it work.
What shortcuts?
>The mister isn't powerful enough to do _accurate_ 5th gen emulation.
Neither is a PC, nor can it emulate older consoles like the mega drive and neogeo to the accuracy of FPGA implementations. If the quality of emulation is exactly the same in software and hardware for a console, then the latter is stil the better environment to run that task in.
the differences are imperceptible when you play it
it is a placebo
I emulated on PC for over a decade, using an FPGA with no input and audio latency with the orginal console refresh rate isn't a placebo. That sounds like somethign someone who has zero experience of the hardware would say.
Still no one has answered my earlier question. What all these masses of hacks and shortcuts that the PS1 core is apparently full of? Can someone name a single one?
You emulated poorly
How come you never posted of the screen scrolling in that Chrono Trigger town?
LMAO are you really that guy again
Jesus christ
between you and the Mister hater these threads are fricked
Ultra low latency in the nvidia control panel, vsync off, hard gpu sync 0, exclusive fullscreen, frame delay 8ms, run ahead at 1 frame and forcing 1000hz USB polling via HIDUSB.
Still not as responsive as using an FPGA, you're the one emulating pooly lmao, just to dense to understand why.
No, I use actual real hardware on a CRT because I like it
you use Mister for the placebo
Others use it because it a handy let box that plugs into the TV easily
I use MiSTer becuase stuff like the CPS2 arcade core is that much better than MAME. When Darksoft CPS2 kits are going for over $1k gettign a MiSTer instead is an easy choice, everything else is just a bonus.
You use real harware, that's cool. So you arent interested in software or hardware emulation, havent used a MiSter and know very little about it. So why are you here exactly, to give ignorant opinions on stuff you aren't even interested in?
I never claimed a PC emulated better. Stop being so triggered
>All those cores are full with shortcuts to make it work.
Again, what are these shortcuts exactly?
>Again, what are these shortcuts exactly?
Too dense to search this yourself? Or do you find it inconceivable that the Mister isn't perfect?
Anyway, just quoting the dev from one of the tickets reported on github
>Game is using a single framebuffer in 240p mode and depends on either exact rendering times (real psx) or instant VRAM copy(software emulators)
>MiSTer cannot fulfill either of these, as we don't have external memory that can fulfill the original VRAM specs. Therefore this cannot be fixed.
Also reminds me of some Mister thread from last year, that basically was about how an already perfect Genesis core (as claimed by the community) got an update to make it even more accurate somehow.
My problem isn't with the Mister, that thing is fine for what it does. My problem is with the delusional fanbase.
Answer the question lmao, what shortcuts were taken?
Literally said so in the quote that it cannot implement original behavior, resulting in graphical issues.
>So what shortcut is taken?????
Really? Mistergays are the worst, ignoring reality and just pushing back demanding someone gives a full technical description on how a core deviates from real hardware.
The PSX core is already the most mature from the 5th gen set, saturn and n64 are less accurate.
That describes an inaccuracy caused by the DE-10 using DDR3, not a shortcut.
>Mistergays are the worst
Don’t have one, just asking a simple question and you can’t answer it lol.
Anytime you cannot do a 100% accurate representation of the original behavior you automatically take a shortcut.
Lol
>got an update to make it even more accurate somehow.
What would be more accurate, bsnes or a gate level SNES emulator made entirely from decapped chip information?
>>Game is using a single framebuffer in 240p mode and depends on either exact rendering times (real psx) or instant VRAM copy(software emulators)
cannot fulfill either of these, as we don't have external memory that can fulfill the original VRAM specs. Therefore this cannot be fixed.
What game is this exactly? And isn't there an option to use dual-RAM to increase accuracy on the PSX core?
>The PSX core is already the most mature from the 5th gen set, saturn and n64 are less accurate.
The UNFINISHED cores are less accurate? You don't say?
>What game is this exactly?
pic
>And isn't there an option to use dual-RAM to increase accuracy on the PSX core?
The problem is not the size of RAM. It's its speed.
>The problem is not the size of RAM. It's its speed.
That's exactly the purpose of going dual-RAM. Smaller RAM modules used to exist, but everyone uses 128MB RAM Modules in MiSTers now even though that's massive overkill because they are affordable. The purpose of using two RAM sticks is not for capacity, it's for speed. Similar to using two RAM modules in dual-channel on modern computers.
>What game is this exactly? And isn't there an option to use dual-RAM to increase accuracy on the PSX core?
Did you even bother to look up the github page? You want to be spoonfed everything?
>Also reminds me of some Mister thread from last year, that basically was about how an already perfect Genesis core (as claimed by the community) got an update to make it even more accurate somehow.
>My problem isn't with the Mister, that thing is fine for what it does. My problem is with the delusional fanbase.
this core which was made using several assumptions we made on how og hardware behaves passes all hardware tests and is indistinguishable from real hardware
vs
this core we made based exactly on how we now know og hardware behaves etc...
the result is the same
>reminds me of some Mister thread from last year,
You sad, sad person.
But that's not true, the psx core is very accurate.
>So is duckstation
I second this
why are you so triggered?
> It uses a lot of hacks and shortcuts to make it run at fullspeed.
Like what? Name 'em.
Ode, flashcarts, meister
I've completely given in. I haven't bought a cartridge in years and I don't regret it.
I kept what I already collected, but I'm not expanding it any more.
If MiSTer went to war, would you go with it? Would you bear the fear of having your life stolen from you, at any moment, just to support your brother in arms? Or would you puss out saying "a-actually, fpga has nothing to do with war a-a-and... I'm a pacifist, okay???"
Emukids running in circles and tearing up the carpet in these threads trying to convince themselves that their extremely-tweaked Retroarch setup is superior to an entry-level Mister setup (and worried that they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference anyway)
I've never really collected games (i bought physical copies obviously though). Now that I'm moving I'm trying to get rid of it all.
every console I own (ps2, ps3, ps4, xbox, 3ds, vita, switch) can run """"""""""backups""""""""""" so I see no point.
If all I wanted to play was ultra boomer games then I'd just get one of these, a really good controller and sell everything else.
>ultra boomer games
Hi groomer. Ganker is that way --->
I'm at my locals right now having late night fast food and had my first encounter with a vocal anti-FPGA tard. It was so sad and hilarious trying to have a rational conversation with this guy. What didn't help his image was that he was a low class guy floating around with an iNNEXT SNES controller. The owner of the station next to ours also had a MiSTer and offered him a spot to play. First thing he does after they setup his buttons is criticizing the OSD and claiming there's more input delay than the real console as he did his button check. We tried laughing and going along with it despite the fact that we were playing the arcade version of Super Turbo. We tried asking him questions about the setup he has at home and he began talking about how he has a loaded laptop with all of the ROMs hooked up to his big OLED. We tried complimenting his setup before he begins a rant how little he spent compared to our MiSTer setups saying if someone brought a Raspberry Pi, we wouldn't even be able to tell. Since I was on the other MiSTer station just hearing this guy go off, I was amazed that these people actually exists and they're posting in these threads daily.
>things that totally happened
>poeople would NEVER discuss setups while playing fighting games in public.
...so how can you tell the difference between this and emulation?
It is emulation, only in hardware on an FPGA, google it.
There's no difference. The cores consist of multiple emulators. FPGA itself can't automatically detect the rom without having an installed emulator associated with that rom.
>so how can you tell the difference between this and emulation?
Many people like to downplay input delay, but that's because they have adjusted to digital display lag or actually don't care but still wanna put in their two cents. When you're playing old school games, the input timing was designed around CRTs so you'll need one to get a good reference. If you've been practicing a game long enough on a digital display, when you get a chance to play on a CRT, the difference is clear between software emulators and FPGA emulators.
If you're just casually playing a game with no intent to get better than proficient to beat the same, it won't matter what solution you choose and input delay is the least of your problems.
You neglected to address other factors that contribute to input delay. A CRT helps a lot, particularly for 6th gen and older consoles (maybe 7th gen consoles but that's stretching the point). Both software emulators and FPGA have USB controller support thanks to their respective OS which can add a significant amount if you choose to use a shitty encoder with more than a frame of delay. FPGA does have the advantage of SNAC which eliminates input delay that isn't native to the emulated console, but not everyone is going to go out of their way to set this up so USB is the only fair comparison.
Basically:
>missing documented measurements
>no elaboration
>oversimplification of input delay
>etc.
But comparisons have been made on a CRT
There are no differences in input delay
Maybe you were using low polling controllers
I think the other posters have probably explained it better than I could, but to me, software emulation never felt “right”, as in even when it was accurate, there were one or two or three differences about it that I could perceive but not identify. That doesn’t happen to me with Mister through a CRT. It could be as simple as having the video come out of the cores and go directly to 240p with no intermediary scaling or processing.
stutterless video without introducing audio glitches or screen tearing, plus lower input latency.
Still not sure if I want to build a sandwich, a Multisystem, or something else.
Main thing holding me back from wanting the Multisystem is that it's MT32 module only works with Pi Zeros, and they apparently don't have the processing power for some really complex MiDi music that a standard Pi has.
The multi system looks more bulky
Do you want to actually spend $600 on it?
It's about $185 or so for the motherboard, which includes the RAM module too and basically a built-in analog I/O board and USB hub. Although that does not include the case or PSU.
At this point I would rather build my own gaming pc than building a mister.
You literally just plug the DE-10 Nano into that board and connect like two wires.
How does the I/O work on this? does it have Y/C integrated into it? or do I still need to use the adapter.
Which I/O? All the digital and analog connections are integrated, there are no additional boards to get. That being said, there is a composite/S-Video output adapter you can get that plugs into the expansion port if you want that.
I don't know what Y/C is though.
>Which I/O?
That PCB diagram you posted shows an integrated I/O but not to what extent. This makes me assume the Multi-System is outdated since the newer I/O boards and upcoming all-in-one are implementing MikeS' Y/C.
>That being said, there is a composite/S-Video output adapter you can get that plugs into the expansion port if you want that.
>I don't know what Y/C is though.
Y/C is native Composite and S-Video developed by MikeS.
>That PCB diagram you posted shows an integrated I/O but not to what extent. This makes me assume the Multi-System is outdated since the newer I/O boards and upcoming all-in-one are implementing MikeS' Y/C.
Probably doesn't have that then, no, the Multisystem came out about 2-3 years ago.
That being said, it's design has since been open sourced so you can check the Gerber files to see if it has that, or if you had the electronics engineering skills, modify it so it does and just build your own board instead of buying a pre-made one.
https://github.com/Heber-co-uk/Multisystem
That Y/C works fine on any analog output, you don't need any modification it's just present on the pins if you change the settings appropriately.
Does that come in white? That version of the MiSTer looks better than the one in OP's pic.
It’s a 3D printed case from a freely available design, so you can have it made in whatever color
Awesome!
Just wait until this (
) is announced. It's the end-game of MiSTer cases.
You know, there is no need for the MT32.
I wasted money on a MiSTer built with a nice aluminum case & it was a pre-configured setup. I should have kept my collection of consoles & games instead because there's like the feeling of physically owning and playing what you have.
Was it $615?
Yes. I regret my purchase, it feels soulless compared to playing on real hardware.2hnad
eBay scalpers seething
>eBay scalpers seething
No, *I* am seething! I've seethed the hardest in this entire thread and no one ever notices. Then, a literal nobody gets a little angry and everybody goes "ooohh, look at him seething". Wtf? Can't you recognize a real seether, you bunch of stupids?
I'd rather pay eBay scalper prices than to pay 600 for an overpriced and underpowered emulation station.
So buy the parts instead of paying somebody $600 to assemble it for you
Or shop at another vendor I've seen complete misters for way less than 600.
>lying on the internet
There would be no logical reason for him to lie.
Bob from RetroRGB is going to war with Porkchop Express from MisterAddons. I guess they had a bad breakup and now Bob is endorsing Mister Castles instead.
oooooOOOOOOOooooooOOOOoh! gossip! pray, do tell, do tell indeed! mmmhhmmm
Now he made a video about retrocastle and never mentioned MisterAddons. This clown world is just a popularity contest and circlejerk.
lol. imagine that sad sack accusing anyone of living a sad life
joocy e-celeb drama, let's go!
imagine being reginaldstubtoe4185
imagin all the ppl
Hey thanks for the pointer, that retrocastle kit is pretty good value.
when you add the price of the de10 nano + sdram you are up to $600 and are getting less than what you get with hat ultimate mister setup that gets spammed here for the same price
Whatever you say dickwad.
I say your mom's pussy is the trash can you fell out of
Trash? We're proud of trash. My mom was very, very poor, until she started a recycling business. We take what your society deems unworthy and turn it into something useful. I'd eat trash for breakfast if I could, but I wouldn't ask for seconds, because I respect nature. Your ignorance is showing.
Retrocastle's build is $480 including the DE-10 and sdram, where are you getting $600 from? Even if I just buy the case and parts seperately its still nowhere near that price, do eveyone a favor and stfu.
I clicked the link in retro slobs youtube video
https://castlemaniaentertainment.com/collections/retro-castle-1
>do eveyone a favor and stfu
don't ever try to talk tough with me homosexual. you don't have the muscle or the wit to come out on top. now go back to spooning your boyfriend
>https://castlemaniaentertainment.com/collections/retro-castle-1
3rd party seller, you're paying over the odds for someone else to stock everything.
>don't ever try to talk tough with me homosexual
Just did, now be a good girl and stfu.
Why isn't there a MiSTreSs? Are you so sexist that you're ok with that?
make one yourself
Pretending the problems of our society has nothing to do with you. What a scum!
Now that's a true hero! You, sir, solved one of the injustices of our kind, and will be forever remembered as a pioneer of justice, unlike that other anon. My faith in the MiSTer project is restored.
https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/mistress
>current stock
OP is a reseller and a shill, great.
What the hell is that?
A power supply unit.
Google is free
no its not. you are the product.
its like the shang tsung of consoles. it can morph into an exact replica of any console it supports
Too bad there's no case that the MiSTer can mimmick of any console due to it's retangler shape.
Huh? What are you talking about? There are tons of examples of people who put their MiSTer setup in the case of a NES, SNES, Commodore, Amiga, and just about every other system and PC case out there.
So basically I'd have to rip out the guts of an existing console, then put a MiSTer in it with a bunch of wires stuffed inside it? No 3D-printed cases?
Shitloads
Amiga floppy soon.
.ipf support is legit hype. There's historical value in cracktros and WHDLoad is convenient, but sometimes you want to play the game like it was intended to play..
Are the poor gays still crying that Mister is white mans emulation and is the superior race? I can't believe this thread isn't dead.
Just give me 3DO and dreamcast FPGA and I'm selling everything. FPGA is the future.
>I like to eat shit
yes you do
>homosexualry Pedophilia Gay Anuses is the future.
I'm pretty sure it isn't. Real Hardware is the future.
>Real Hardware is the future
Real hardware that is 30-40 years old literally does not have a future. Many are already dead and many more require maintenance. How many Xboxes out there do you think the owners knew to remove the faulty clock cap by now? Less than 1%?
Yes, for now you can replace caps and resistors when they fail (assuming it's not an Xbox situation where it spews acid all over the board)... what will you do once their ICs start to fail? It's already a problem for the Commodore64 when it's SID chip and infamous PLA chips fail.... guess how people manage to get the original hardware working again when it's both difficult and expensive to find a working 40+ year old chip that hasn't been made in decades and no factory has even had the capability to make them anymore for years? They use FPGA replacements.
And even that will not save you for something like the infamous Sega Hikaru arcade boards whose CPUs had a defect where they would literally tear off the board. Near impossible to find a working one of those, and there have been several cases of when someone did find a working one the CPU tore off in shipping. Software emulation attempts at that platform are garbage as well, barely run the game with many missing effects and crash constantly.
90s hardware is just getting into the caps taking a shit phase and all surface mount...
On the subject of PLA, they're the tech predecessor to FPGA and most of those 80s computer systems have some sort of PLA/ULA.
Yet my Xbox, NES, Sega Genesis and all my other hardware work perfectly fine. The only thing I had to upgrade on my consoles is a battery mod for my Dreamcast and Gamecube so that way it would be easy to swap out & replace batteries.
I love how the shills say that OG hardware is obsolete and make excuses like "rotting plastic" or "replacing caps or resistors" as the reason why we should buy a MiSTer. Yet at the end of the day I'm playing my Sega Genesis on my 4KTV, the plastic shows no signs of rot. I've seen more failure in modern consoles than 30+ year-old consoles.
And even if these OG systems start dying at some point, we can still switch to FPGA or whatever when the time comes.
No need to prematurely start emulating as long as the real systems still work.
I would definitely get your ROMs downloaded and backed up though. People aren't noticing but the internet is becoming MASSIVELY censored 15 years from now people will be getting their ROMs from each other physically and not on the internet anymore.
The thing I love about emulation is that there's no noticeable difference and I don't have to buy overpriced FPGA hardware(especially from ANALogue) to play old games from past consoles. Although there is some consoles I still play games on(Saturn, N64) that emulators and FPGA hardware can't seem to get right.
>That's not the case for everyone. My SNES's sound died last year, and tens of thousands of old consoles have failed by now. I would prefer it if they would last forever, but they are coming close to hitting half a century old, and the tech to re-create most of their parts except for the simplest ones is long gone.
Ah the SNES. Mine still works, but I now use a hacked SNES mini to play games on. Thus giving my SNES much needed rest, especially since the SNES mini has HDMI output and the og SNES does not.
Real hardware is definitely not the future. Nobody will want to play games in a few years, this was the first generation that I didn't buy a new PlayStation, can't you tell? New video games are dead, just like nobody besides Black folk watch israeli Hollywood movies nobody is going to play israeli funded DEI video games. The only shit worth playing is stuff FPGA plays and whatever the successor turns out to be. Keep playing israeli made trash on your digital only strokestation 7 with an 85 dollar a month subscription.
What value am I getting out of buying one of things rather than doing >pic rel
>PS2
Good luck with that anon
MISTER can't run ps2 games? Why the frick would I waste the time buying one then.
What can it play?
Even though there is no way you didn't know this and are clearly asking the question in bad faith:
It can go up to N64 currently. Very unlikely it will be able to do DC. Mind you this includes PC platforms (just about anything 486 and older) and arcade systems too.
I highly doubt any FPGA system will be able to do PS2 anytime soon, the complexity of the 6th gen of consoles shot up dramatically... like how PS2 emulation is a mess of glitchy legacy spaghetti code.
>bad faith
homie I just found out about the thing.
Fine, fair enough.
It's a FPGA based emulation device. Basically, the chip in it can reprogram itself to actually physically act like the original console's hardware. This makes it possible to write a "core" that is basically 1:1 to the original hardware (not all cores are 100% accurate though, but in most cases that can always be fixed with a better core) with no additional lag, and to use the original accessories in an electronically compatible way.
It's accuracy is high enough that it's used in place of actual hardware in some tournaments and speedrun competitions, and it has led to more inaccuracies in software emulators (many of them mame) being found.
It's basically a replacement for people who want the original hardware but don't want to or can't afford to have dozens of decades old systems and flashdrives/HD output mods for them, a MiSTer would be the next closest thing to that.
If the accuracy/analog output/original accessories doesn't matter to you and/or you want to use emulator enhancements like uprendering games at 4K or so then the MiSTer is not for you.
Thanks, I might pick up one if more cores become available - going off this:
https://mister-devel.github.io/MkDocs_MiSTer/cores/console/
N64 & PS2 are a must for me before I even consider purchasing it.
What about controllers does it have bluetooth support?
Just about any XInput controller will work, be it USB/Bluetooth/2.4ghz. There's also SNAC for using original controllers with their cores, but those only work with their specific cores (You can't use a PS1 controller on a Genesis core), requires a specific adapter as well, but it is just about the lowest latency you can get.
>Thanks, I might pick up one if more cores become available - going off this
That's not even a complete list, it's not counting the 3rd party cores like Jotego's which includes cores for many arcade systems in CPS1 and CPS2 among others
https://github.com/jotego/jtpremium/tree/main/_Arcade
And currently beta cores like the Sega Saturn or N64 ones (the N64 one is very VERY far along though, every game boots now)
>N64 & PS2 are a must for me before I even consider purchasing it
Unfortunately there is no way PS2 will ever happen. It's highly unlikely that the MiSTer can even do DC or the upcoming MARS that can do DC would be able to pull off PS2. The PS2 is massively more complicated than the DC or anything before it, and to make a FPGA implementation you basically have to re-create the circuits of the PS2 in that FPGA. It's going to take an expensive FPGA and a LOT of man hours to pull off something like that.
>What about controllers does it have bluetooth support?
Supports pretty much any controller. USB, Bluetooth, or even the original controllers through a SNAC adapter.
That's not the case for everyone. My SNES's sound died last year, and tens of thousands of old consoles have failed by now. I would prefer it if they would last forever, but they are coming close to hitting half a century old, and the tech to re-create most of their parts except for the simplest ones is long gone.
>And even if these OG systems start dying at some point, we can still switch to FPGA or whatever when the time comes.
>No need to prematurely start emulating as long as the real systems still work.
And where do you think the research so you can do that in the first place will come from? People can't just whip up a FPGA replacement for your SNES's PPU chip overnight if it fails, it has to have had years of research. Like that FPGA implementation of the Commodore's SID chip.
>And where do you think the research so you can do that in the first place will come from? People can't just whip up a FPGA replacement for your SNES's PPU chip overnight if it fails, it has to have had years of research. Like that FPGA implementation of the Commodore's SID chip.
It was a response to the idea that OG hardware should be ditched right now, as it's 'rotting away' and alternatives exist.
I think thats BS. Anyone who likes OG hardware can just keep using it for the foreseeable time, no reason to switch (yet). And as a fallback, should at some point in the future all OG hardware become unusable then alternatives exist to switch over to at that point in time.
>It was a response to the idea that OG hardware should be ditched right now, as it's 'rotting away' and alternatives exist.
I never claimed that, I argued that claiming real hardware is "the future" is silly as it's literally the opposite of that in
>Ah the SNES. Mine still works, but I now use a hacked SNES mini to play games on.
That's.... that's just basically an underpowered Pi. It does not compare to real hardware at all.
FPGA isn't real hardware either. Fact of the matter is, the SNES mini plays SNES games perfectly, "underpowered" or not. This "underpowered pi" is not required to play other systems.
Does the SNES mini play Neo Geo?
Buy a NEO GEO
>FPGA isn't real hardware either.
It's a hell of a lot closer than a low-end ARM processor.
>Fact of the matter is, the SNES mini plays SNES games perfectly, "underpowered" or not.
Umm, no, no it does not
Lookup the SNES Classic Mini CANOE Compatibility List, I tried posting it here but the site keeps thinking the link is spam because it's a Google Sheets link.
RetroArch helps with compatibility issues. I'd know because I had a hard time booting Lobo on the SNES Mini, got around that problem with retroarch.
I wish GBA games had looked half as good on the GBA Player as they do on a PVM via the Mister.