fallout 3 was released before steam really took a foothold on the market, and I'm willing to bet a majority of nv players started with fallout 3 on their consoles.
Yes: bad game gets lower score, good game gets higher score. Hope that clears things up for you
It's because the PC port of 3 is broken for modern systems
Because Fallout: New Vegas was rightfully "panned" (video game journalism still rated it like 8/10 because it's a ridiculously corrupt joke whose only objective besides shitting on normal gamers is sucking publisher wiener) for being a buggy mess.
fallout 3 was released before steam really took a foothold on the market, and I'm willing to bet a majority of nv players started with fallout 3 on their consoles.
I'm not denying that fact, everybody knows FNV is the superior game when compared to fo3, I'm trying to explain why fo3 had lower steam numbers than fnv.
I replayed it countless times on my Xbox 360 and it never once bricked my console. maybe try cleaning your dust and cheetos covered console once in a while
the best way to play FO3 was gutter sniping with the hunting rifle. melee was ass.
but again like I said earlier you have to put in four or more fixes for it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Melee only builds being viable in a game is a sign of bad design.
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe only in early game >it's the walking tank armor >it's the power gunblast fist
it's a fricking game, why put in options that aren't viable? >fallout is a realistic simulation and you could never kill roman football cowboys with a car bumper!!!!
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Devs should waste more time making sure my niche wholesome memelee builds are "viable" (s tier) or their game is hecking bad
3 months ago
Anonymous
they did it in the '90s so they better do it now too
Their budgets increased, didn't they?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody plays your shitty memelee builds, therefore giving them OP perks and other crap is a waste of time that could be better spent on making cool shit for badass builds that people like and actually play.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You sound like the homosexual moron who was project lead for fallout the frontier. have a nice day with utmost haste.
3 months ago
Anonymous
it's a fricking fallout game
the whole fricking game is a waste of dev time. nothing is focused or quality or good except maybe the writing
3 months ago
Anonymous
melee and ranged are so fundamentally different in how they approach combat it's very hard to make a game that supports both of them feel equally fun for both styles of play.
of course fallout 3 and new vegas fix that by making combat boring and easy because the creation engine sucks
3 months ago
Anonymous
yup
I have hopes for Elder Scrolls six because Bethesda knows their studio will get fricking gutted if it doesn't sell god damned gangbusters and it's going to have a budget of a small European nation
3 months ago
Anonymous
>i have hope for es6
you are moronic lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
lol you're fricking dumb
bethesda has been relying on mediocre 20110-tier gunplay for the past ten years to carry their games somehow. They'll have to buckle down and thing of something big to try and make a decent game without the shitty fallout 4 guns
3 months ago
Anonymous
>2010-tier
3 months ago
Anonymous
underaged moron can't comprehend that a giant studio will happily create and ship an inferior product that costs more to make so they can fold and go bankrupt long before they take a risk trying something new
3 months ago
Anonymous
Todd is at the helm. Todd has an ego. and a leather jacket
3 months ago
Anonymous
im closing the thread. you made it too obvious
3 months ago
Anonymous
Todd is at the helm. Todd has an ego. and a leather jacket
shouldn't have brought up the jacket, too far man, too far
3 months ago
Anonymous
not any of them but why? what is the joke here?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Please stop engaging with the obligatory Fallout thread 'guy who types like a complete moron pretending to be an indian hoping to get (you)s'
3 months ago
Anonymous
it's sad but it is the same discussion over and over
3 months ago
Anonymous
the best way to play FO3 was gutter sniping with the hunting rifle. melee was ass.
but again like I said earlier you have to put in four or more fixes for it
I like melee/unarmed in 3 and NV because it feels like oblivion. The guns feel terrible in both
maybe only in early game >it's the walking tank armor >it's the power gunblast fist
it's a fricking game, why put in options that aren't viable? >fallout is a realistic simulation and you could never kill roman football cowboys with a car bumper!!!!
melee and ranged are so fundamentally different in how they approach combat it's very hard to make a game that supports both of them feel equally fun for both styles of play.
of course fallout 3 and new vegas fix that by making combat boring and easy because the creation engine sucks
melee has always been the best way to play the games and with chems all builds are viable.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I like melee/unarmed in 3 and NV because it feels like oblivion. The guns feel terrible in both
3 months ago
Anonymous
get animation packs and mods like b42 inertia, it'll help make the guns feel less shitty
FO3 is barely an RPG so it better make its gunplay good at least.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Gunplay
Again, the frick do iron sights have to do with that? It's just a fancy gimmick unless you're a hardcore gun autist that shits and pisses everywhere because OH MY GOD THE GUN DOES NOT MOVE TO THE CENTER SAVE ME TRIGGERMAN.
It's not that much of an improvement that somehow improves the gameplay, not to mention it was moronicly buggy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nice strawman but the gunplay is shit with or without ironsights
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Strawman
You are the one strawmanning by bringing up the gunplay when i just talked about iron sights being insignificant in the post you mentioned, you fricking moron.
You have to (still) patch and mod FO3 to be playable >unofficial patch >NO BULLET RISE because they programmed bullets upside down >NO AUTO AIM ASSIST >AIM DOWN SIGHTS
this is the minimum to get gunplay working
Meanwhile New Vegas needs: >New Vegas Anti Crash or else it crashes nonstop. >New Vegas tick fix or else it microstutters to hell. >New Vegas Unofficial patch because it is still a buggy fricking nightmare.
That is the minimum to make the game PLAYABLE. You need more mods to fix the complete lack of any meaningful exploration.
Stop pretending that New Vegas is some perfect masterpiece you mindless obsidiot.
I 100%'d the game totally modless and barely ran into issues. Don't know what to tell you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why lie? It's the most crash-prone game in the series.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Why lie? It's the most crash-prone game in the series.
Why are you guys still making up shit? Fallout 3 is more stable in the ToTW mod than its normal version.
>New Vegas Anti Crash or else it crashes nonstop. >New Vegas tick fix or else it microstutters to hell. >New Vegas Unofficial patch because it is still a buggy fricking nightmare.
Didn't need any of these when I played the game for over 40 hours and I only crashed once or twice.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know about you but the micro stutters were too much for me.
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You have to (still) patch and mod FO3 to be playable >unofficial patch >NO BULLET RISE because they programmed bullets upside down >NO AUTO AIM ASSIST >AIM DOWN SIGHTS
this is the minimum to get gunplay working
people say all this but i have never had a single issue downloading, launching, and playing fnv or fo3 with no issues
if software bricks hardware it is literally always on the hardware manufacturer
there should be safeties in place to prevent hardware from being put in an invalid state or using dangerous amounts of resources
that applies whether it's this or whether it's something like uncapped framerates in menus of games like diablo 4 melting NVIDIA gpus
That could explain the general numbers, but they're both cheap and basically the same. Your explanation could explain a difference, but not a huge blow out
I love New Vegas and I must have finished it a dozen times by now, but you are right; I did start with Fallout 3 on my PS3. I got both GOTY editions on sale on steam some time after.
This is true but it's also because it was broken for a while unless you deleted some gfwl files.
Don't forget FO3 needed (still needs?) a patch to work on modern OS
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It's because the PC port of 3 is broken for modern systems
>2008
moron, it's because F3 is a broken piece of shit.
What these anons are saying is outdated. Fallout 3 did do an update in 2021 to remove games for windows live which made it boot on modern computers. Still buggy but probably less buggy than vanilla FNV
kek that was the dumbest shit
it was so stupid that they had to change it afterward due to the community mocking the shit out of it. Bethesda themselves never even saw an issue with it lol
A few reasons. Fallout 3 started the whole apoca scavenge bullshit, better or worse. It was revolutionary in it's time. STALKER existed but had basically no marketing in comparison. Critics played FO3 and it blew their minds because it was 2008. Metacritic probably has older user votes too.
New Vegas had a bad launch. Lots of crashes and bugs. Also obsidian didn't get more money from a contract stating it had to reach a certain score. Needless to say, it was 1 point short. Look into that fiasco.
>The bonus moronation again
You frickers do realize that they already had a massive paycheck for the game itself and the bonus was a small drop in the money puddle, right? >But my 1 point
The contract stated 85 points so it had to be 85 points, regardless of the difference. No fricking company ever is going to pay a bonus for a failed contract agreement.
Exploring the map is fun, as much as exploring Skyrim. Some quests such as Tenpeny tower or the Dunwich building are good.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>bethesda games >fun to explore
yeah i just love going into dozens of copy pasted low effort caves with nothing of value and low difficulty enemies
3 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah i just love going into dozens of copy pasted low effort caves with nothing of value and low difficulty enemies
I do not enjoy games so hard that I have to dedicate my life to become good in them, I play as a form of distraction not to get frustrated.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Exploring the map is fun, as much as exploring Skyrim
Yes. Both are shit.
Because those reviews were accurate at the time. F3 was mindblowing when it released while NV launch was a disaster and it made Bethesda games look polished in comparison.
Zoomers are ignorant and lack the cognitive abilities to rationalize anything but the present moment, they are literally unable to comprehend that people's perception of a subject can change over time.
>NV launch was a disaster
what fricking disaster? I picked up the NV disc midnight at release and I played it as much as I could on my xbox 360, did every factions' storyline and replayed it countless times. it never once became a "disaster" like you homosexuals love to cry about
i 99%'d the game back in 2018 in like 140 ish hrs and it only crashed once. when i shared my experience i realised the vast majority experiences a lot of bugs and shit when playing that game
i didn't. so mileage may vary between every person
Well said but unfortunately I think there is another factor at play with "fanboys" are trying revising past events for whatever little win they can get. I personally recall Ganker being flooded with threads people b***hing they couldn't get out of doc Mitchell's office and experiencing all kinds of graphical bugs and crashes.
Bethesda had an unholy game critic bonus in the 360 era. Go read contemporary reviews of oblivion and fo3, there will be things that make your eyes bulge that not even the biggest fo3 fans in 2024 would try to claim about the writing, combat, etc.
Why? I dunno if they had a more sophisticated pr machine or what. The fact that they are east coast and were nominally independent of public publishers back then made critic types way more favorable to them. American mainstream critics of the time also basically treated the 360 as when real videogames started because they had zero depth of PC knowledge beyond quake and total contempt for japan
Lol that's anything but true. Poor gays quickly review bomb anything. I don't try to judge, but I went checked out some of the bad reviews for tekken when that came out and it was guys trying to play it on 960s and 1050s. I don't judge, but I don't understand why these people even bother. Steam should honestly put hardware specs on reviews.
because people have a good taste in games. simple as that
New Vegas had a bad launch. Lots of crashes and bugs. Also obsidian didn't get more money from a contract stating it had to reach a certain score. Needless to say, it was 1 point short. Look into that fiasco.
>new vegas >bad launch >obsidian
seems about right
The writing in 3 is bad and NV expanded on 3's mechanics/fixed some gameplay issues that make it play better once the game isn't shitting the bed.
Also 3 was bricked on PC for a while because it required GFWL, which was discontinued, and Bethesda only patched the game to run without it fairly recently.
I hated Microsoft so much for gfwl. It was such a shitty, glitched, and overall garbage system. I get you have to compete, but put your fricking heart into it instead of phoning it in.
Also, frick Bethesda. My game froze 3 times at the intro section and I never went back to play fallout 3 again. Before steam gave refunds, so couldn't even get my money back.
Nv didn't fix anything, they added more shallow machines, complicated balances, left in a complete useless perk(maybe even more), change the running animation to a moon run(knick pick here), broke the gun sounds, made it have more glitches, iron sight misalignment, and weaker combat game play and atmosphere. NV only strengths is main story writing, and a roster of stronger notable factions and characters. Which made it far more memorable for popular culture. Also timing helped as well.
>shallow *mechanics
FTFY, no >complicated balances
no >left in a complete useless perk(maybe even more)
more info is needed >change the running animation to a moon run(knick pick here)
true, but running isn't that better in 3 >broke the gun sounds
no >made it have more glitches
yes, at launch, now it's more stable than 3 >iron sight misalignment
not for most weapons >weaker combat game play
wrong >atmosphere
lmao, you got me till there.
>more info is needed
I think he's talking about the "Knight in Shining Armor" perk. It's supposed to give you 20 DR against energy weapons, but they misspelled energy weapons so the perk is literally useless.
What happens to npcs that are enslaved?
I sometimes don't see em in the slave pen.
because new vegas still fricking works while fallout 3 hasn't been patched in the german version
i am imagining a lot of people are upset about it not running
tranfolx and chudkin are notorious review brigaders. its gotten to a point that I outright ignore user reviews, because there is a high chance the poster has an agenda and is lying or omitting certain things. train your intuition and you'll do well
It'd be more fitting to compare console sales since 3 was butchered on PC. I had to get a pirated copy because the Steam version refused to work, and that was in 2017-18, a whole decade after the release
Fallout 3 is unoptimized and buggy as shit.
New Vegas is as well but it's nowhere near as bad. Fallout 3 better fricking runs but as in any bethesda game you must never quicksave or quickload as that slowly corrupts your files (maybe do it if you like melting ragdolls or flying spaghetti monsters)
Most people who'd enjoy what Fallout 3 has to offer are better served by Fallout 4. New Vegas attracts people who otherwise hate bethesda style open worlds given it's essentially a standard CRPG running in the wrong engine.
>like how Bethesda actually builds their map >hate most everything else
Pain in the fricking ass. Including neat little random areas to find and explore just for their own sake is literally what Bethesda does (did) best, and it was the one element I felt was sorely lacking from New Vegas. There are too many fricking podunk shacks I'm NV that only exist as a generic quest location.
Not saying Obsidian didn't try, you've got places like the Deathclaw Promontory and that one cave you find Mercy in, but you can feel that they ran out of time.
Of course Bethesda's most recent game didn't even have that going for it.
What really baffles me is in Starfield although everybody gets the same planet layouts point of interest location is random, even if the generation did make something interesting you can't get the fun of sharing that with the community.
SteamDB has some special formula for calculating the rating score.
https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-rating/
It does now, they patched the game and removed GFWL in 2021. But it doesn't look Fallout Script Extender was updated yet, so people running mods are still using the GFWL version.
>mfw fo3 would have been so much more enjoyable if it wasn't for the hamfisted dad story >tfw bethshit pulls the same bullshit with fo4 with the hamfisted son story
Todd doesn't write the story, Emil does and even then he is not the one who is bringing daddy issues into their games. It's Brian Chapin, a bethesda.net moderator turned developer. He was quite outspoken about having issues with his father and trying to work them out through game development
It's weird. I some parts of 3 more and some of vegas more. This whole vegas vs 3 thing is stupid.
I think the main problem is that people think both games were aiming for the same thing and thus one must've "succeeded" and the other "failed". It was always clear to me that what bethesda wanted to do with 3 is different from what obsidian wanted with nv, both tone and gameplay-wise. I consider them separate games with different goals but similar means (or rather, engines)
>loredump about fallot dev dad issues
Lol I was just making a funny, that's comical how it was all really stemming from a b***h boy writing about his hurt feelings.
Yeah, Chapin is a massive homosexual who insisted that Father in FO4 should be killable during your first interaction because he hates his own dad
3 months ago
Anonymous
good frick father. He's unironically the worst part of fallout 4.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Shaun is responsible for everything that is fricking over the Commonwealth at the time of the game and also thought he could use his parents as rats in a maze experiment. He does sorta deserve to get shot dead.
3 months ago
Anonymous
His moronic reason aside, every character should be killable in fallout games
3 months ago
Anonymous
at least 1 and 2 did this right, and from the looks of modern RPGs, this is a bygone industry practice, fricking hugbox homosexuals
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody scripts their games to account for npc deaths, because most modern designers are failed hollywood writers who can only envision a linear narrative that the player must be captive to
Daddy issues usually don't end up in the story that glorifies your father as the hero.
Todd doesn't write the story, Emil does and even then he is not the one who is bringing daddy issues into their games. It's Brian Chapin, a bethesda.net moderator turned developer. He was quite outspoken about having issues with his father and trying to work them out through game development
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I think the main problem is that people think both games were aiming for the same thing and thus one must've "succeeded" and the other "failed". It was always clear to me that what bethesda wanted to do with 3 is different from what obsidian wanted with nv, both tone and gameplay-wise. I consider them separate games with different goals but similar means (or rather, engines)
Yeah, Chapin is a massive homosexual who insisted that Father in FO4 should be killable during your first interaction because he hates his own dad
But... Father is Shaun... Your son...
Is he literally just seething at the word FATHER itself, not the fact that YOU are the father in the scenario?
That was a good idea though. Goring him with a minigun the moment he's going in to say "Hi dad" is always hilarious.
despite being your son, Shaun behaves like an elder to the player character. Withholds information, assumes your ignorance, tries to be the guiding voice of reason. He takes on the role of father in the dynamic, whether you like it or not
fo4 feels schizophrenic with the writing. Most of the little unmarked sidequests are pretty great, but all of the main quests and companion stuff is shit.
4 was a predecessor to similar issues in Starfield, namely no one really being on the same page. Danse alone swings from >total ghoul death
to >they're just hekkin' SURVIVING out here like the rest of us!
and it depends entirely on which encounter he's responding to at the time. Bethesda's development practices are sloppy and their problems will continue until they work their shit out.
Obsidian devs are ultra woke libs. Yes, even back then they were, the difference is that back then they were mostly men and now they are mostly feminist women from twitter.
Yeah and they don't shove it in your face every 2 seconds, they're written like actual fricking people instead of "I'm gay, did you know I'm gay. Wow I'm so gay and brave"
Did you know the Velma show was almost universally hated and yet, it had a very large audience watching it?
Higher popularity does not always equate to better reception.
i've played new vegas a lot both with and without mods. you really don't need them, especially not for first playthrough when you dont know which mods to get
>Classic Fallout gets praised for its consistency compared to Bethesda Fallout >the fricking intro of 2 doesn't make sense at all and the devs have admitted as such
I fricking loved the interview Tim Cain did on tumblr (of all places) where he basically denounced fo2 as a cashgrab and regretted putting ghosts, talking deathclaws and stereotypical gangsters into the game
I felt so vindicated after spending years arguing with nma gays that fo2 is tonally all over the place and is a less cohesive game than fo1
I bought it at release, bounced off it a couple times over the years without ever getting past Novac, then it finally stuck in 2022 and I sank 100 hours into a playthrough (unmodded). I have no idea why.
>ip counter being gone
that's the most gayest thing that has happened to this site for years. it was one of our few weapons we could use to counter against samegayging morons, now it's gone. I blame the troony jannies for not doing their jobs properly
because this isn't /misc/ you fricking moron, you can't just move from /misc/ to Ganker and then demand Ganker be just like your own little board
next it'll be wanting flagposting
3 months ago
Anonymous
That's not an argument. /misc/ isn't even the only board with thread ids. Explain why they're bad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
anon you're not going to change my mind so how about you pre-emptively spew your garbage that i will no doubt ignore
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking homosexual, it js because of subhumans like you, trolls, troons and other desirables we need them >muh /misc/
They did something right unlike Ganker
3 months ago
Anonymous
I wish you le donald refugee frickers would just return to Reddit and stop trying to make Ganker like it. If you can't cope without a little label telling you who's who, you don't belong here
3 months ago
Anonymous
>le >capitalized r*ddit
you are a phoneposting homosexual who stumbled here from 9gag
3 months ago
Anonymous
i can't fault Ganker users for seeing that the website sucks and wishing for a way to improve it
and i also can't fault the average Ganker user for being too moronic to know what would make the site better and what would make the site worse
the real blackpill is that the only way to keep schizos from ruining every board is requiring account creation via phone verification to create threads (but all posts are still anonymous)
i have sympathy for the troony jannies because this website is host to the most insufferable and powerful schizophrenic autists of all time.
the vidya butts guy alone is too powerful for jannies to fix.
New Vegas is a better game. On mutiliple different fronts too. It's better in a lot of ways, and to fully discuss it would take me like half an hour to type all that shit up and I ain't about to do that.
For a long time Fallout 3 was simply unplayable and would crash from desktop. I believe it was linked to that archaic Games for Windows Live extension.
I had to refund my Steam copy and get it from GoG instead.
Never had issues with New Vegas. Just regular crashing and infinite loading screens 3 is also a victim of.
I was going to say that it seems very unfair to compare a level 2 perk to a level 10 perk in terms of function and also that FO3 has nerd rage as well but I did not realize how fricking grim the level 2 perks were as a whole for FO3. At least NV has shit like rapid reload, hunter and heave ho
the level 2 perks were mostly meant to buff people through potato early game.
min-maxers would take intense training (before the level 30 perk) but lady killer is the only fun option. swift learner is a moron trap and shouldn't be in there. I almost maxed all skills for a level 20 character by bug abusing the science and big guns books, taking high int early game, rushing skillbooks and bobbleheads first, etc.
It was fun but I'm glad I recovered from my autism
Aye, the perk system in 3 is grim. The one they set up in 4 is arguably worse because it's like they just baked 3's skills and perks together but also level-gated everything so you can't just go all-in on something, you have to spread your points around.
making perks define your backstory is fine. the real sin is making the benefit so boring.
like look at the new vegas perks. all of the "+5 this +5 that" perks are gone in favor of more flavorful stuff
>raised up 10
that's just another way of saying +10
did they mean to write "up to a max of 10?"
do fallout games even process the effects of anything SPECIAL being over 10?
because for skills it really feels like if anything goes over 100 it has a little bit of an effect
i have never been able to prove this so i want you to do it for me
fallout 1/2 going over 100 is pretty overkill on most skills. non combat skills is on rng chance to succeed so going to 150 can make it guaranteed instead of 99% success but just do it again instead??? combat skills going over 100 is helpful for dealing with penalty's like being in the dark and extreme range. i almost always go 130 skill in my main combat stat in fo1/fo2
Up to the max of 10 yes
Iirc the games before 4 did keep track of SPECIAL's above then but didn't show it, while Fallout 4 allows you to go way above 10 with bonuses
And yeah skills above 100 do have an effect, Boone is programmed to have like 110 Guns
Fallout 3 was originally a GFWL game, Microsoft's first failed attempt at making their own branded DRM. Mods really only worked when you gutted it though.
Easily. Most people played 3 and NV on console around release. But New Vegas blew up in popularity around 2016 (Yes when the troony memes blew up). When PC gaming already blew up and overtook consoles. Most of those reviews are comparitavely recent. And steamdrones dont actually play series, they just play the popular game in a franchise that was recommended to them. Especially when 2 games are very similar like 3 and NV but one is considered just the same but more. Same thing happened with 2 and 1. Most modern players who try 2 skip 1.
I hate that shit so much. It's not just steamdrones but normies in general. They just play the most recent entry, call themselves a fan and wait for the new one. My first fallout was 4, but I trickled back to all the previous entries and even played the isometric originals. Turns out I am an obscure minority, as most people don't want to deal with "simpler graphics" or "worse combat" so they just wait for more modern slop to arrive. And their money weighs as much as ours does, so companies will always side with the normie majority
It depends. I'm an oldgay who crew up on shit like Ultima and Crusader, and I fricking hate the older fallouts. Everything about them other than the writing, from the UI to the battle system is annoying as shit, and I don't blame anybody for not getting into them.
They're prohibitively obnoxious games, and it's not because of their age - other companies older than them were making isometic RPGs that were far friendly and enjoyable to play. IMO they get simped for far too hard just because bethesda have been morons with the series.
2 years apart may seem like a short amount of time to people already in their 30s but it also means that generally speaking the people who bought games on steam could be the younger generation who have different opinions.
I saw this once I started getting older and tastes were changing.
>you should blow yourself up NOW >ok how come >you did a bad job >you're...right...leave the facility i'll do it
that should answer every single question you have
Fallout 3 used to require Games for Windows Live on PC, unless you bought the GOG version.
Steam only recently got a version that removed GFWL, but you're not going to have a ton of people going back to buy FO3 at this point this many years later.
new vegas is a strictly better game than fo3 and people know it. the people they didnt know it learned it from cultural osmosis. they bought the good one and ignored the bad one. 14 years of that leads to a snowball effect in favor of the good game.
Fallout 3 wasn't on steam when it released.
Fallout 3 also was unplayable for a long on windows 7 and 10 without using mods to remove games for windows live shit.
>steam reviews >relevant
I've seen games go from very positive to mixed because people are tech illiterate and from positive to overwhelming because of a youtuber (the game is shit and people have 0.5hrs)
New Vegas does a better job of creating a realized world.
There is a sense of economy and interaction between different factions in the world, as well as the player has the freedom to ally or make enemies with different factions.
Fallout 3 is a grid, and every square in that grid has a perfectly measured episodic slice of adventure.
New Vegas is a world where factions roam and interact in messy ways. Theres empty desserts as well as eccentric towns full of strange peoples and stories that bleed and mix through their interactions with other peoples and places.
I personally like Fallout 3's "frick off anywhere" design. There's only a few areas like around DC and the missile bases up north-east that are clearly off limits. Fallout 3 is truly open world.
New Vegas has a much smaller map. As well the same 90% of runs start the same way for the first few hours, counter-clockwise around Primvac. >nah uh if you're autistic you can steal the stealth boy and sneak past the deathclaws and cazadores and high level bandits
>nah uh if you're autistic you can steal the stealth boy and sneak past the deathclaws and cazadores and high level bandits
Infinitely better than level scaling.
I legitimately think between FO4 into 76 into Starfield with 11 skyrim rereleases inbetween that we're at the point Blizzard was at around the diablo 3 release. You are either just such a thoughtless ball-licker that you're ride or die on this company and they can virtually do no wrong or you're an actual person capable of rational and critical thought that it's very obvious that anyone who had any talent has left that company long ago. I have never seen such consistency in removing features and dumbing down games in a long time. I don't even know if ES6 is going to be an RPG
>Can someone please explain why is this?
One has become a meme and the other hasn't, simple as.
The fact that there's at least one NV thread every month while there isn't a 3 should tell you everything you should know.
Funny how obsidiots have to compare New Vegas to Fallout 3 instead of Fallout 4 since 4 blew NV out of the water in terms of popularity and success.
They have never been able to cope with the fact that Fallout 4 raped its ass and that NV is only loved by a small group of rabid cultists.
Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good. In fact usually it's the opposite with bethesda properties. Fallout 4 and Skyrim are the best selling entries of their series and they're both watered down to the point of barely being RPGs. You can still like them, I do, but you must acknowledge that they aren't as good and cohesive games as past installments.
I don't get why people judge Bethesda games as rpgs, and the more rpg they are the better. They have always been shit at rpg element. the more they embrace the exploration based open world action game ethos the better the end product is
It's a subjective topic but if you look at the most core RPG Bethesda game (Morrowind) and the most exploration go anywhere do anything looter shooter Bethesda game (Starfield) There is a clear winner.
Honest hearts +3 crit armor
boone hat
9 luck boosted to 10
5 crti perk
laser weapon build for laser commander for another +10
50% critical damage perk
light armor which the 3 crit chance armor is +5% crit perk and 25% lower chance you receive crit
light armor 10% move speed perk
skill repair before anything else to get jury rigger as soon as you can. sell fully repaired weapons to buy higher damage enerrgy ammo and now your tri laser rifle can be repaired by just laser rifles a very common weapon.
tri laser laser rifle that has an absurd base crit chance already
you now critical for like 90 damage a beam on a 3 beam rifle pretty much every other click deleting everything in the game with a few click click clicks.
gun non shotgun gays don't understand this power.
explosives is also neat. this game has a lot of cool character building for a 3d shooter, usually thats pretty weak.
it has better character building than fallout 1/2 even though i love those games it does get old that realistically there's only like 9 good perks in the game with a lot of dead skills you don't care to skill up outside of one section like repair
Eh there are a few spread through the game, but you also have enough options to never touch any
Tho there's Cyborg which is both a skill booster and an actual perk at the same time
Eh there are a few spread through the game, but you also have enough options to never touch any
Tho there's Cyborg which is both a skill booster and an actual perk at the same time
the best skills in 3 are the boring skill ups with few exceptions like better criticals
name perk better than a free +15 to big guns.
better critical
5% more cirtical
grim reepaer sprint?
okay what about the other 27 level ups
3 months ago
Anonymous
>high luck >ninja >better critical >grim reaper's sprint
frick it, reminds me how amazing it all was
3 months ago
Anonymous
Even as someone who always makes a Sneak build, Ninja seemed kind of useless to me.
Sneak+ any type of gun is way better than Sneak + melee and unarmed unless you have a shit ton of stealth boys or the Chinese Stealth Armor. Plus, by level 20, your sneak criticals should be one-shotting anything less than a Behemoth anyway.
Grim Reaper’s Sprint is absolutely busted though and basically turns the game into Max Payne.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You might be right about ninja but the anons b***hing about most of the perks being shit are right
3 months ago
Anonymous
Most of the really good perks are locked behind Stat requirements. Stuff like Animal Friend, Robotics Expert, Cyborg and so on that actually enhance roleplaying and change the way you play the game have some decently high stat requirements.
I’m on the fence behind that. On the one hand, it makes perks seem initially more boring than they actually are, but on the other hand, it rewards you for making an actual build instead of trying to be a jack-of-all-trades.
Fallout 3 literally didn't work on a fresh install from steam for years. You needed a mod just to play it.
And im pretty sure New Vegas was just getting more popular at the time.
new vegas wasn't liked for like 2 months and then it was seen as the better game since just because its buggy ass launch really kneecapped it. also helps that its dlcs are beloved and it released quite a few. new vegas is the only game i know of that people actually discuss the dlcs in depth years later.
>discuss the DLCs
I mostly see people(me included) shitting on them tbh
They're probably the weakeat part of New Vegas's story for me, along with Yesman as a concept
I personally find it very weird how the public perception of 3 and NV shifted over time.
When 3 came out, it was seen as a highly influential masterpiece and ground breaking game (it still is, since it basically set the mainstream standard of what a post-apocalyptic game should look like), whereas NV was seen as a good, but flawed game that needed more time in the oven.
Nowadays it seems like that perception is reversed.
I honestly don’t see the big difference between the two games aside from structure since they’re basically mechanically identical. If anything, I prefer 3, but that’s because I’m not a fan of how NV’s attempts to railroad you for the first half of the game, plus the Mojave just isn’t as interesting.
Both games have their problems, but they’re both good though.
>Weird
It's unironically ecelebs
The spike in NV love 3 hate was not far after Hbomberguy did his review of vegas claiming it a masterpiece and 3 as trash. That opened gigantic normalgay floodgates, and, knowing Hbomber himself and his audience, lots of trannies, who love to cling onto things that aren't theirs and "bash the door down" in the community, which also resulted in lots of troony vegas spam.
There was also NMA-Codex homosexualry still being salty that bethesda actually did something about their bomb threat during the F3 announcement instead of caving in like Black Isle did back in the day.
So you have: >Giant eceleb calling it a masterpiece (Which his viewers, being children, trannies and terminally online morons are going to parrot without a second thought) >NMA-codex homosexuals, notorious for hating literally everything, claiming NV is "return to good and classic FO", the one they also spent years hating upon and terrorizing black isle for. Having the biggest fallolut forum on the internet, they have some "street cred" in the eyes of normalgays and spreading that opinion >Both snowballing over time into more youtubers spreading the idea of "F3 bad NV good", with allegedly people like Schizo Elijah starting meme shitfests like "Pajeetout 3" spam >Trannies gain a huge foothold on internet and claim New Vegas as their holy grail, being the most vocal group you can find, which makes submissive modern audience agree otherwise it's sexist or some shit, therefore painting NV as the "Good guy" for being troony ally. >Bethesda fricking up with later games, making people think it retroactively makes older games worse, even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
The list goes on but you get the point.
No, but they did send threats to devs at BIS when anything past FO1 came out.
This was partly a reason why Van Buren was canned too before Interplay went to sell the rights.
no people called new vegas better before that point. 3 wasn't liked by real fallout fans since literal day 1 release with speculation it was going to be shit before its release. stop trying to fit in
>even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
Skyrim was not groundbreaking in any way other than further normalizing striping out RPG features from an RPG for the sake of a dumber audience.
Fallout 3 had an INSANE amount of content. Ever try to get to the Arlington National Cemetery? Explore the mall's museums? Riley's Rangers? DC is an enormous dungeon complex with a few above-ground stations that reward you with some fast travel. Doing the plot with Rivet City and the Brotherhood and the Damn is really like 15% of the game. 3dog barely dips your toes into the DC clusterfrick.
I want to try New Vegas again and explore under shit vegas but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
>I want to try New Vegas again and explore under shit vegas but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
saying this after praising fallout 3 is fricking crazy dude.
also you mean a couple copy pasted looking rooms with nothing in it but more supermutants to shoot? that dc?
The metro is all pretty samey as a backdrop (go figure) but they put in a variety of lobbies, brightness, traps, defenses, lighting, and different enemies: Raiders, ghouls, mutants, lurks. To see where you pop out is the reward for the grind.
NV looks a little more complicated underground at first glance with a little arena. I really like mole-men friendly games where there's options to traverse underground.
3 months ago
Anonymous
its boring ass literal 1 texture tunnels with might as well be random encounter ghouls in copy pasted escalator rooms. if you like it that much than idk stick to fallout 3, its a pretty terrible game with tons of that. you can enjoy your lol not boring fallout 3 intro lmao. how are you real?
3 months ago
Anonymous
it was fun in 2010 and maybe 2015 but I'm not going back to it. There's so many clearly better games now that it's not worth it. But on release it was godlike
It didn't have as much content as NV (without including the cut content) and the writing was trash anyway, ridiculously corny voice acting just makes everything worse.
>but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
And 3 is better.. how? Or 4? Oh wait that's right, 3 started the trend of dogshit game openers. Obsidian just followed suit cause that's what 3kiddies wanted.
Some guy made the Mojave in roblox and I was playing with Schizo Elijah running around shooting people. Had no idea the guy was a israelitetuber. He ran around the game as Father Elijah with holograms blasting people. It was a quality gaming experience.
Bethesda got an ungodly amount of leeway back in the 360 era. Despite how much shitposting about New Vegas gets (and rightfully so) about being buggy at launch, Fallout 3 and Oblivion weren't much better in this regard. It's all nostalgia for Fallout 3. And hell Ganker was among the first to point out its many issues. (pic related is over a decade old at this point.) Most people that are fans of Fallout now started with 3. Personally I have no idea how someone could like 3 over NV these days. NV is just 3 but with actually decent writing and combat that isn't a total slog due to half the enemies being damage sponges.
Anon half the people with these asinine takes just do so in order to have a "unique" opinion on something. In liberal society, being a "libertarian" or "free thinker" is basically just a simulacrum of what it actually means to be those things. It's all a calculated choice to maximize one's "based" stats, saying anything too unpopular, such as liking age of decadence, shadowrun returns, mainframe defenders (IDK some other shit but i got the most shit for these) would get you in the "cringe" category
>the Mojave just isn’t as interesting
This. I played both games around the time of their release and I remember FO3 more fondly than NV because it had way more memorable locations. Whereas the New Vegas strip, which I feel I spent most of my time in is one of the ugliest, "uncomfy" locations in any game I've ever played, and the orange piss filter didn't help matters.
>Weird
It's unironically ecelebs
The spike in NV love 3 hate was not far after Hbomberguy did his review of vegas claiming it a masterpiece and 3 as trash. That opened gigantic normalgay floodgates, and, knowing Hbomber himself and his audience, lots of trannies, who love to cling onto things that aren't theirs and "bash the door down" in the community, which also resulted in lots of troony vegas spam.
There was also NMA-Codex homosexualry still being salty that bethesda actually did something about their bomb threat during the F3 announcement instead of caving in like Black Isle did back in the day.
So you have: >Giant eceleb calling it a masterpiece (Which his viewers, being children, trannies and terminally online morons are going to parrot without a second thought) >NMA-codex homosexuals, notorious for hating literally everything, claiming NV is "return to good and classic FO", the one they also spent years hating upon and terrorizing black isle for. Having the biggest fallolut forum on the internet, they have some "street cred" in the eyes of normalgays and spreading that opinion >Both snowballing over time into more youtubers spreading the idea of "F3 bad NV good", with allegedly people like Schizo Elijah starting meme shitfests like "Pajeetout 3" spam >Trannies gain a huge foothold on internet and claim New Vegas as their holy grail, being the most vocal group you can find, which makes submissive modern audience agree otherwise it's sexist or some shit, therefore painting NV as the "Good guy" for being troony ally. >Bethesda fricking up with later games, making people think it retroactively makes older games worse, even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
The list goes on but you get the point.
This seems about right. Something about NV's popularity nowadays seems over-inflated beyond all comprehension, considering it's unfinished and stuck in a fossil of a game engine. Ultimately, both games are incredibly flawed because of that reason. I can imagine preferring NV just slightly over FO3 because of the writing or whatever, but I'd argue both games are (or were, rather) around the same level of "recommended". The difference being that NV is so insanely fricking overrated now, it's almost sickening.
I'm not. I played both games, then moved on. And as time passed, the more my love/hate relationship with games running on that engine turned into more hate than love. The delusion here is thinking NV is some earth-shattering ludo compared to FO3, you'll be dealing with the same mechanical jank in both. Writing alone isn't going to save that.
>Writing alone isn't going to save that.
But it does. You won't find such a reactive AAA RPG anymore. There's a reason why NV is still talked over and played by thousands of people every day. Either way, great writing and memorable characters are extinct in RPGs. FO3 was just dogshit on those parts and its gunplay was ludicrously boring (uniques don't even look different). You could only shoot someone if you spammed VATS.
>There's a reason why NV is still talked over and played by thousands of people every day.
I was curious about that claim, so I went to check on it. Right now, both Skyrim and FO4 are at 20k and 15k players respectively, way higher numbers than NV and it's not even close (for comparison, Starfield sits at 6k players, which is also much lower than both Skyrim and FO4, so it's not just a matter of recency bias). Even FO76, which has been pretty consistently shat on since its inception has higher numbers than NV.
>FO3 was just dogshit on those parts and its gunplay was ludicrously boring
Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV. I half-expect this will turn into some autistic comparison about how you can change ammo types and other gimmicks, but seriously, even at the time the gunplay in both games was garbage at worst and mediocre at best. >You could only shoot someone if you spammed VATS.
Now this is just wrong.
>fondly
That's because you enjoy theme parks masquerading as a desolate, war-torn wasteland.
I have no fricking idea what this even means.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Another wall of shitty cope, impressive
3 months ago
Anonymous
Coping about... what? What the frick are you talking about? Are you a bot?
3 months ago
Anonymous
We're all bots here, anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why don't you compare NV to 3 now? Also, nobody plays vanilla FO4 or Skyrim at all. >Even FO76, which has been pretty consistently shat on since its inception has higher numbers than NV.
Yeah, bigger numbers=/=more quality. Is this what you're trying to imply? >Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV.
NV has far superior guns, iron sights too. With F3 you'll get shitty trash dispensers and ayylien weaponry, which are immersion breaking at best. None of the unique variants of the weapons either feel or look unique. This has gotten worse in F4 and F76 just straight up copies weapons from Tactics. Also, why shouldn't ammo types and weapon modding be valid reasons for NV's superiority? It clearly has more depth and thought put into it, where Bethesda couldn't even bother to add them. >Now this is just wrong.
I'm completely right. F3 guns are pathetic and only something like Combat Shotgun will deal good enough damage to the tanky enemies with high DR.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Also, nobody plays vanilla FO4 or Skyrim at all.
And people play vanilla NV? Highly doubt that. >Yeah, bigger numbers=/=more quality. Is this what you're trying to imply?
No, on the contrary. What I'm saying is that you are vastly overplaying the game's strengths. You said writing alone saves NV from being a janky clusterfrick, and that supposedly is a reason as to why thousands of people are still playing the game. I don't believe that for a second. Despite how great you might argue the writing in NV is, there isn't much left for the average player to find out in a 14 year old game. Only a few dozen of truly obsessed autists would still be playing NV for the story to this fricking day. It's a ridiculous explanation. The reason that a fair amount of people are still playing NV is because it's a sandbox game that can run on virtually any PC these days, and the Steam version of NV is in arguably better state than FO3 as it's been pointed out in this thread. It's not because of some "deeper" reason about the believable reactive world, writing, or whatever. If it was, more people would be playing NV than fricking FO4.
Also,
>There's a reason why NV is still talked over and played by thousands of people every day.
I was curious about that claim, so I went to check on it. Right now, both Skyrim and FO4 are at 20k and 15k players respectively, way higher numbers than NV and it's not even close (for comparison, Starfield sits at 6k players, which is also much lower than both Skyrim and FO4, so it's not just a matter of recency bias). Even FO76, which has been pretty consistently shat on since its inception has higher numbers than NV.
>FO3 was just dogshit on those parts and its gunplay was ludicrously boring
Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV. I half-expect this will turn into some autistic comparison about how you can change ammo types and other gimmicks, but seriously, even at the time the gunplay in both games was garbage at worst and mediocre at best. >You could only shoot someone if you spammed VATS.
Now this is just wrong.
[...]
I have no fricking idea what this even means.
>Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV.
3 doesn't even have iron sights
>unironically using iron sights as an argument as to why NV's shooting is better than FO3
It means what it means, moron. Don't you play enough RPGs to get that? You prefer le wacky, nonsensical stuff over a more immersive, believable world. There are lots of morons like you who play bottom-of-the-barrel "RPGs" and call themselves RPG enthusiasts.
>It means what it means, moron.
No, I really don't know what you mean, and I still don't. You're calling NV's world immersive and believable and that has scratching my head. This is what makes NV fans so deluded to me, because the problems that massively hurt the believability and immersion in FO3 (and other Bethesda games in general) like rubble and trash scattered around lived in areas, the stiffness of animations in NPCs and repeated voice actors for different characters also plague NV.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This is what makes NV fans so deluded to me, because the problems that massively hurt the believability and immersion in FO3 (and other Bethesda games in general) like rubble and trash scattered around lived in areas, the stiffness of animations in NPCs and repeated voice actors for different characters also plague NV.
Thanks for proving my point. You don't care about writing, about characters, about the story, or plot. You just want to consume low quality slop tailored for braindead arpiggies. That's why you find F3 good. It's because of homosexuals like you that real RPGs are a dying breed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you've been seething and acting like a drama queen all this time for no reason. I made it quite clear from the start I haven't cared much about Bethesda games in years. I'm not really defending FO3 either, my argument has more to with NV being overrated because it suffers too much from running on a shitty ass game engine and generally sharing many of the same problems other Bethesda games have.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The reason why F4 is still played is because it offers people decent gunplay, which F3 lacks. And NV offers people a wide variety of role playing mechanics, which F3 also lacks. It has nothing to offer. That's why nobody mods for it either.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>F4 is still played is because it offers people decent gunplay
Right, which both FO3 and NV lack, just to be clear. And considering we're talking about a collection of games where moment-to-moment interactions are very prevalent, and you're spending a lot of your time walking around and taking in the view, the reality is that people will naturally gravitate towards the slightly more polished and visually appealing options.
Essentially, all the good writing and roleplaying in NV gets bogged down by the fact that is stuck in an FPS RPG with a very wonky and ugly framework, full of technical issues and limitations. The best NV fans can do is cope about nuggets of gold being buried under a steaming pile of shit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It means what it means, moron. Don't you play enough RPGs to get that? You prefer le wacky, nonsensical stuff over a more immersive, believable world. There are lots of morons like you who play bottom-of-the-barrel "RPGs" and call themselves RPG enthusiasts.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV.
3 doesn't even have iron sights
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't immerse himself by purchases shitty boxes of bulk ammo from the dollar store
Must be terrible not to be able to engage with material
3 months ago
Anonymous
no it's not.
Ironsights aside, in Fallout 3 damage you deal with a weapon scales with your skill.
Something I've never understood about the Fallout 3/NV debate is how people claim that NV "added" or "brought back RPG elements" by removing percentages on skill checks. But dice rolls for skill checks come from pen and paper games. You can't get more "RPG elements" than dice rolls/RNG.
Dice rolls are something that works only if you have prepared contigencies for varying degrees of failures or success.
Digital RPGs don't have a game master who does that so fallout 3 is just savescumming until you get the desired result, having a threshold reduces the amount of save scumms to 0 or 1 if you have uatism and need to succeed using doping
>orange piss filter
You do know it changes from location to location, right? The reason it's orange is because the game is situated in a hot desert, there are other areas that are in different color, such as Camp Searchlight, Freeside, Jacobstown etc. Meanwhile the entirety of Fallout 3 is just shitty green? Why? Because of le bombz lul even though 200 fricking years has passed. It's nonsensical.
I find the Mojave interesting and DC boring. The Mojave feels real and lived in while DC was cool back in the day, it's just a amusement park of zany places and things, oh so zany!
Bethesda got an ungodly amount of leeway back in the 360 era. Despite how much shitposting about New Vegas gets (and rightfully so) about being buggy at launch, Fallout 3 and Oblivion weren't much better in this regard. It's all nostalgia for Fallout 3. And hell Ganker was among the first to point out its many issues. (pic related is over a decade old at this point.) Most people that are fans of Fallout now started with 3. Personally I have no idea how someone could like 3 over NV these days. NV is just 3 but with actually decent writing and combat that isn't a total slog due to half the enemies being damage sponges.
>WE NEED WATER >DON'T THINK ABOUT IT JUST LOOK AT THE SHINY THING AND SHOOT THE GUNS
Bethesda are fricking terrible at world building. Literally the worst in the business that even the simplest things are too far out of their writing capability. They can't write or world build for shit lmao
They are actually the best in the business at environmental storytelling. The autistic haters don't like it because they have to actually infer something that isn't stated directly in a text dump.
>oh look at this skeleton that shouldn't be here and is still in the same position at a writing desk long after it should have turned to dust >oh my god he must have been writing a love letter to his lover who was in love town playing love songs about his long lost love >Bethesda are the bestest ;_;
fricking lol
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he didn't get it
sorry bro, not everyone can be smart
>NV’s attempts to railroad you for the first half of the game
lmao wut? the only railroading is fo3’s prologue, in both games you can go anywhere from the start
In NV, you can theoretically go wherever you want, but the game attempts to force you down the intended path by putting Deathclaws and Cazadores everywhere. In 3, the game honestly doesn’t care if you ignore the intended path once you leave the Vault (which takes like 15 minutes if you know what you’re doing).
its not “theoretical”, you CAN go anywhere
you can choose to go to the area with high level enemies that will kick your teeth in, this is the opposite of handholding
Bro you can reach Vegas without combating any cazadores or deathclaws, by just running. Have you even played the game? FFS one of the main min-maxing methods is just walking to Vegas so you can buy an INT implant before leveling up.
the cazadores stop being a threat as soon as you get your hands on an SMG, which is the moment you are allowed to wander around Doc Mitchell's house if you have 30 repair, or 20 repair and a skill magazine.
pick one up, pack up some bullets and spray in their direction, their wings will be crippled and render them unable to move around and jump at you like a spastic monkey.
you could also walk the initial segment of black mountain and ignore the brutes and the nightkin on that spot then climb up the ledge where the rocks fall, that spot leads straight to the strip by the way of repcom's headquarters, with no deathclaws or cazadores in sight.
if you fight the cazadores, you clean up enough of a path to get both chance's knife and love and hate, two amazing melee weapons for the early game
still shit tho, especially for new players. 3 did it better. also you just skip half of the worldbuilding of the game, which are nothing but info dumps but still.
Bro you can reach Vegas without combating any cazadores or deathclaws, by just running. Have you even played the game? FFS one of the main min-maxing methods is just walking to Vegas so you can buy an INT implant before leveling up.
the cazadores stop being a threat as soon as you get your hands on an SMG, which is the moment you are allowed to wander around Doc Mitchell's house if you have 30 repair, or 20 repair and a skill magazine.
pick one up, pack up some bullets and spray in their direction, their wings will be crippled and render them unable to move around and jump at you like a spastic monkey.
you could also walk the initial segment of black mountain and ignore the brutes and the nightkin on that spot then climb up the ledge where the rocks fall, that spot leads straight to the strip by the way of repcom's headquarters, with no deathclaws or cazadores in sight.
if you fight the cazadores, you clean up enough of a path to get both chance's knife and love and hate, two amazing melee weapons for the early game
It's almost as if doing the big loop de loop serves multiple purposes, such as introducing factions one by one, tell the first act of a story, let the player actually gain levels and build a character before dropping them in the conflict, and to tease New Vegas itself
>Weird
It's unironically ecelebs
The spike in NV love 3 hate was not far after Hbomberguy did his review of vegas claiming it a masterpiece and 3 as trash. That opened gigantic normalgay floodgates, and, knowing Hbomber himself and his audience, lots of trannies, who love to cling onto things that aren't theirs and "bash the door down" in the community, which also resulted in lots of troony vegas spam.
There was also NMA-Codex homosexualry still being salty that bethesda actually did something about their bomb threat during the F3 announcement instead of caving in like Black Isle did back in the day.
So you have: >Giant eceleb calling it a masterpiece (Which his viewers, being children, trannies and terminally online morons are going to parrot without a second thought) >NMA-codex homosexuals, notorious for hating literally everything, claiming NV is "return to good and classic FO", the one they also spent years hating upon and terrorizing black isle for. Having the biggest fallolut forum on the internet, they have some "street cred" in the eyes of normalgays and spreading that opinion >Both snowballing over time into more youtubers spreading the idea of "F3 bad NV good", with allegedly people like Schizo Elijah starting meme shitfests like "Pajeetout 3" spam >Trannies gain a huge foothold on internet and claim New Vegas as their holy grail, being the most vocal group you can find, which makes submissive modern audience agree otherwise it's sexist or some shit, therefore painting NV as the "Good guy" for being troony ally. >Bethesda fricking up with later games, making people think it retroactively makes older games worse, even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
The list goes on but you get the point.
This board is such a mangled fricking corpse at this point me even making the claim that it has been raped and defaced is pointless. You people were literally born in like 2005. It doesn't matter anymore.
the "attempts to railroad" you felt natural even though you knew exactly what they were. beating all the npcs in your way or getting past them was the funnest stuff and is more like a classic rpg where you go somewhere you aren't supposed to be at that level and get fricked up. now everything has to be scaled cause devs are moronic casual homosexuals like you that cry if the game doesn't cater to their every b***hing whim.
3 is definitely a finished and fully realised product. It’s just buggy (unsurprising given the scope of the game).
NV has entire questlines and areas that were completely scrapped. It’s obvious that the east side of the river was meant to have way more to it originally.
They had 18 fricking months to make the New Vegas game and it was a miracle they cobbled something that works for the most part in that insane time frame.
The frick?
New Vegas is my favorite game, but i think 3 is amazing too. Why the frick are there so many negative reviews? It's an iconic and still enjoyable game
There’s literally no evidence that Bethesda dislike NV. They were actually a huge part of why the game even got out the door to begin with, and the NV team said that they were a big help to them during development.
Doesn’t really prove anything. They were working on Skyrim during NV’s dev cycle, so it was released as an outsourced spin-off before they took the reigns again.
This whole “based Obisidian was cheated by the EVIL Todd Howard” just reeks of sensationalist rumours that don’t even line up with what the actual devs have said about the game. Chris Avellone himself said that the whole “84 Metacritic conspiracy” was a myth.
But it seems kind of obviously an embarrassment for Bethesda.
Buy property, release successful sequel.
Some of the individuals from the old property what to make their own game in the same engine with the same assets.
It is universally praised and accepted as the greatest iteration in the new franchise to the extent that people now retroactively dunk on your original successful sequel.
It is immediately clear to absolutely everybody the disparity in quality of writing and design, that this third-party team understands the property better, and did more with the same tools that your team did (even though yes admittedly they had the freedom to build off of your work).
Release another sequel, that everybody fricking hates.
Release another mmo sequel, that is an absolute disaster, and everybody hates.
> It is universally praised and accepted as the greatest iteration in the new franchise to the extent that people now retroactively dunk on your original successful sequel.
This is historical revisionism.
Lots of people dunked on NV when it first came out because of how unfinished it was and because it didn’t have the same “vibe” as 3 (which is something a lot of people praised about 3 when it came out). The general consensus was “its basically a DLC/ Fallout 3.5”.
NV only got praised to high heaven after a bunch of e-celebs made video essays about it, and people will believe anyone who sounds vaguely academic in their speech.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nah homie
everybody always frickin loved New Vegas
3 months ago
Anonymous
You obviously don’t remember what a lot of critics and gamers in general were saying back then.
No one’s saying that the game was disliked, but it was considered flawed until about 2013 when a flood of video essays came out claiming it was a flawless game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
nobody has ever frickin cared about what critics had to say
it was never considered "flawed"
because what would the "flaw" be except an inherent weakness of their engine which was duct-taped together by somebody else
Ganker has always liked and respected New Vegas more despite contrarians
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You obviously don’t remember what a lot of critics and gamers in general were saying back then.
You obviously act like a fricking moron. I was there when it came out and every reviewers praised NV and mercilessly compared it to F3 despite the loads of bugs making it almost unplayable
3 months ago
Anonymous
No we do zoomer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Okie what was the terminology used to for boundaries that saturated NV?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>2013 >Meanwhile Hbomberguy's video on New Vegas only came out in December 2020
3 months ago
Anonymous
>NV only got praised to high heaven after a bunch of e-celebs
lmao the cope
fo3 gays are truly something else
Fallout 3 was always a bad game, just like 4. It never stopped being bad either. Cope.
The fact that Fallout Tactics is unironically better than both says a lot and I've played and beat everything up to 76 (which I wouldn't even dare touch).
>old devs vs new devs >west coast vs east coast >completely different design philosophies
Why should we like each other? FO3gays have more in common with FO4gays.
contrarianism for clout when F3 "fans" attack NV
probably also a little grassroots marketing for bethesda's newer games, this new tv show, etc.
nobody with any braincells thinks Fallout 3 is better
but also New Vegas fans sometimes take this too much to heart, and suffocate on their own pretentious farts
It’s mostly an astroturfed conflict pushed by people who REALLY don’t like Bethesda, even though they played a big role in the development of both games.
Obsidian literally couldn’t get the engine to work, so they needed Bethesda to show them how to get it to function. Plus, literally all of the core mechanics minus the crafting system were designed by Bethesda.
I don't understand Beth haters. The Elder Scrolls is one of the comfier franchises. Yeah they've gotten worse but thats almost a given in this industry
Your point? Bethesda haters existed back then when it really wasn't warranted other than 'this isn't the exact game from my childhood and was dumbed down'
They are a old school developer whose best days are behind them, every other developer from that time is retired or washed up completely (LeFay, Cain) they just hate the corporate Zenimax branch of the company and Scapegoat Todd and say a bunch of revistionist shit
The people that 'hate' them were they're biggest fans, who should be thankful they grew up with good games
>I don't understand Beth haters.
They've never made a game better than mediocre and have an enormously outsized effect on the gaming industry as a whole. They also invented microtransactions, resent the modding community, put less and less effort into their products, have fricking horrible consumer policies, invested heavily into live service and mobile game dogshit, and actively insult and denigrate anyone who suggests they should or even could do better.
Again, your hating the corporate side. Your just a low IQ idiot who can only parrot the opinion of everyone and youtube essay writing idiots, you are just a bitter moron
Poo in loo moron, the creative side and business side are fundamentally tied together. Their games are creatively lazy, bland, and boring because they know they will sell well regardless, because of moron third world trash like you, who are endlessly entertained by playing fricking oblivion over and over again, and worse every time.
>They've never made a game better than mediocre
And theres that revisionist bullshit, why do you hate a company you never liked? As I said real Beth haters were the biggest fans, plus og fallout fans but thats different
Claims like these are why I can't take all this Beth hate serious. your just a ignorant zoomer
People like Elder Scrolls but Todd has ignored Elder Scrolls. I'm primarily a morrowindgay but Skyrim is still a great game even with all the jank and all the shitposting the game is fun I even play it vanilla sometimes.
It’s the NVgays. They’re ridiculously hostile and you can see that in their responses to you, If someone even implies NV isn’t a masterpiece or that they prefer 3 they tantrum like a fricking toddler.
f3 is full of developers creating a sick game
fnv is full of artists taking a sick game and injecting it with a very large bucket of drugs i mean chems
naturally Gankeraultists screech at each other over which is better for gaming, the hyper homosexuals--artists, or the autogays--devs.
it's like you fricks conveniently forget how bad FO3 was at launch, both, performance AND story wise
because you couldn't unfrick the ending (since its literally tied to a DLC)
Anons who played 2 back then, what was the common consensus on the appearance more real-life guns? Adding to that, what was the common consensus on Tactics adding even more real-life guns?
I played it a few years after it came out and the only thing I really remember was people used to praise it much more than the first one, now it's the reverse.
76 isn't canon. That said, 4 is rated as the 2nd worst Fallout in existence behind 76. You shouldn't bother with it ever unless some killer mod comes out for it.
>unless some killer mod comes
Listen to you >4 is rated as the 2nd worst Fallout
4 didn't live up to NV but it was still good and fun, by not playing it your just listening to morons that only deal in extreme absolutes, If it's not a masterpiece it's shit and not worth the time. Literal low IQ take
>homosexual unironically defending 4
Lmao here's that (You) you desperately craved like a prostitute to wiener (like your mom) for that braindead take.
New Vegas was always a Steam release.
Fallout 3 wasn't. Most people who played Fallout 3 at release played the non-Steam GFWL version of the game.
The rating just comes from NV generally being more well liked. That and Fallout 3 is literally broken on modern systems without some patching - unlike New Vegas which is also a very broken game without patches but atleast it doesn't die right away.
>NCR is full of women soldiers >Literally all of them are useless and do nothing but frick up and waste time and resources
What did Obsidian mean by this
Fallout 3 actually doesn't work well or at all in some cases on modern operating systems. I think there would be a lot more reviews and they would be more positive if it wasn't such a hassle to get it running like New Vegas has been all this time.
this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/73126
grab this unique revolver too. i used fnvedit to make it a .44 revolver for the swc ammo
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/73891
Something I've never understood about the Fallout 3/NV debate is how people claim that NV "added" or "brought back RPG elements" by removing percentages on skill checks. But dice rolls for skill checks come from pen and paper games. You can't get more "RPG elements" than dice rolls/RNG.
the game mechanically runs a lot worse than new vegas. aiming down sights in 3 is a waste of time and most of the guns aren’t even that interesting. traversing the world is also tedious in 3; if I want to run straight to the tops casino at the start of new vegas, I can. I thoroughly enjoyed 3 when I played it on release, but playing new vegas after made me realize how much the formula could be improved with a handful of tweaks
Fallout 3 is better than New Vegas.
Skyrim is better than Morrowind.
You can cope, seethe and dilate all you want but these facts shall remain as what they are; the truth.
imagine being such a contrarian and Bethesda wienerrider that you actually think 4 and 76 are worthwhile at any point in time. I've played 4 and kek that was definitely one of the worst Fallouts ever
for every high spot in 76 there’s about 10 low spots. I thought bugging out in the woods and shooting cryptids was cool, but frick the grabbler and that cash shop
I'm playing 3 right now.
The gunplay seems different. I'm missing a lot more I think, and I'm kinda forced to use more resources which I don't really mind.
In NV I just sniped everyone from miles away which was comfy.
I feel like 3 is almost harder because of this?
the gunplay is not different it's just shittier. New Vegas really fixed ADS. fallout 3 was the first 3D fallout so I think they semi kind of wanted to keep VATs as a thing like the originals instead of turning the game into a full fledged FPS. I also think it might be lazy bugthesda. The gunplay between the games is just very different. Melee has always been the best way to play in every game. Combat was more fun in the originals when the enemies could miss and blow their friend's head off.
they're all hiding in vaults and caves and shit. it's weird how much stuff I found that blew my mind after replaying the game again. things like the hidden chinese bunkers. oasis. also a lot of stuff in the swamp dlc I didn't see cause I rushed through it.
fallout 3 is absolutely terrible at leading you to intererest content, you literally have to get the explorer perk and guess the interesting locations based on the names
kek get filtered, homosexual. not to mention there are literally npcs across the map that talk about places they came from and enemies in general directions. just like in all the older games talking to npcs will reveal locations. do you need a quest hud too?
>high level areas right next to low level ones >identical green rock textures conceal every location >almost zero interesting locations in game you can see from a distance like novac, new vegas, helios one, etc >>lies about npcs directing you to said content when they fricking don't at all and shit like paradise is only told to you from a rare random drop
cope
>almost zero interesting locations in game you can see from a distance like novac, new vegas, helios one, etc
you literally see megaton tenpenny tower and paradise falls as soon as you exit the vault and explore just a little
>>>lies about npcs directing you to said content when they fricking don't at all and shit like paradise is only told to you from a rare random drop
the npcs in big town literally tell you about the mutants that attacked them then tell you which direction they came from which you can then go to the mutant area. they also tell you about lamp light. if you aren't moronic npcs will lead you to locations.
they're all hiding in vaults and caves and shit. it's weird how much stuff I found that blew my mind after replaying the game again. things like the hidden chinese bunkers. oasis. also a lot of stuff in the swamp dlc I didn't see cause I rushed through it.
it's almost like you were children when you played it the first time and that's why you rate it so highly
Fallout 3 isn't in my top 10 favorite games. It's just not complete garbage especially compared to the slop that comes out now. Fun game that lets me be a psycopath.
FO3 was amazing when it came out only because fallout was finally getting a sequel(this was before every thing ever being made being soft rebooted for money). People who played and listen to the games story was pretty much let down over how it got worse as the game went on.
FONV came out and just had a smash story. The problem with this game is that it only reenforced the "heeheehaahaa" nature FO was shifting and it is boringly linear. It was a cult hit right away to the right people.
Then 2016 rolls around and some reason trannies claim FONV. Now people meme that FO3 was the real good one because the trannies have claimed basically every game in the past 30 years as theirs.
fallout 3 has been the target of an online crusade by salty nerds who are mad that todd "stole" their game. it started before fallout 3 ever released but it didn't really take hold until many years after 3 released because most normal people have moved on and they can not. they are pathetic and relentless. that's all there is to it.
Todd made a better fallout than himself.
76 after what, 5 years of updates, blows 4 out of the water. >Actual dialogue >Skill checks >4's gunplay >No moronic personal story - you are just the guy doing the task >Fun quests >fun characters >Massive arsenal with both new and classic fallout weapons >Frickable assaultron next big update
The only thing that holds it back is that it's fricking 76 and 4s gunplay gets dragged down by latency, but it actually feels like a proper RPG now.
If the game actuslly shipped that way i bet the entire launch shitshow would have been averted.
I heard about how Fallout 3 was designed under the assumption that the player would go through it at a low level and with low-tier gear. How true is this?
I remember James apologizing for making you go through a bunch of super mutants in the Memorial as if it was a difficult assault, but I had a minigun and enough ammo at that point.
>I heard about how Fallout 3 was designed under the assumption that the player would go through it at a low level and with low-tier gear. How true is this?
As soon as you get to DC if you have shit gear and weapons you get curb stomped. Same thing with any area that has deathclaws.
I fricked up and forgot to say Fallout 3's main questline. That line of dialogue about going through the muties in the Memorial stuck out.
Been years since I've played 3, so I might get things wrong.
Fallout 3 is bad
It's because the PC port of 3 is broken for modern systems
oblibion with guns is bad
F3 is fricking dogshit and only 75 iq poos like it.
FPBP
they patched it, it just works now (im ACKually serious)
when you're right you're right
This.
Because Fallout: New Vegas was rightfully "panned" (video game journalism still rated it like 8/10 because it's a ridiculously corrupt joke whose only objective besides shitting on normal gamers is sucking publisher wiener) for being a buggy mess.
should I finish my current run that I haven't player for a year and finish it or just start a new run with this installed?
Yup
bloody bastard bich DELET SAAR DELET MOTHER FRICKER
FPBP.
Anything that isn't New Vegas post-Interplay is NOT Fallout.
Frick Bethesada, frick them raping the Fallout I.P. and frick Fallout "3", "4", "Online" and their future shitty Elder Scrolls with Guns mods.
the bethestards who still think Starfield was a good game that infest Ganker nowadays are chimping out for sure
cope and seethe gacha games and battlepasses have burned out your abilities to play real video games
no refunds
was sbi really working on starfield
fallout 3 was released before steam really took a foothold on the market, and I'm willing to bet a majority of nv players started with fallout 3 on their consoles.
or maybe NV is simply a better, more polished and objectively a more interesting game?
I'm not denying that fact, everybody knows FNV is the superior game when compared to fo3, I'm trying to explain why fo3 had lower steam numbers than fnv.
>more polished
Of all the positives new vegas has, polish is not one of them
lol wrong moron, fo3 had no ironsights
fo3 didn't permanently brick people's consoles
I replayed it countless times on my Xbox 360 and it never once bricked my console. maybe try cleaning your dust and cheetos covered console once in a while
>console
why don't you go play madden or something?
literally who the frick cares about iron sights that much you fricking gun autist.
Its all still a frickfest of innacuracy in the end.
the new vegas iron sights were aids anyway kek i turned them off after five minutes
yeah, the lowered gunmodel and using the reticle is far superior. it's a video game, I don't need realism blocking my fricking view if the game.
the best way to play FO3 was gutter sniping with the hunting rifle. melee was ass.
but again like I said earlier you have to put in four or more fixes for it
Melee only builds being viable in a game is a sign of bad design.
maybe only in early game
>it's the walking tank armor
>it's the power gunblast fist
it's a fricking game, why put in options that aren't viable?
>fallout is a realistic simulation and you could never kill roman football cowboys with a car bumper!!!!
>Devs should waste more time making sure my niche wholesome memelee builds are "viable" (s tier) or their game is hecking bad
they did it in the '90s so they better do it now too
Their budgets increased, didn't they?
Nobody plays your shitty memelee builds, therefore giving them OP perks and other crap is a waste of time that could be better spent on making cool shit for badass builds that people like and actually play.
You sound like the homosexual moron who was project lead for fallout the frontier. have a nice day with utmost haste.
it's a fricking fallout game
the whole fricking game is a waste of dev time. nothing is focused or quality or good except maybe the writing
melee and ranged are so fundamentally different in how they approach combat it's very hard to make a game that supports both of them feel equally fun for both styles of play.
of course fallout 3 and new vegas fix that by making combat boring and easy because the creation engine sucks
yup
I have hopes for Elder Scrolls six because Bethesda knows their studio will get fricking gutted if it doesn't sell god damned gangbusters and it's going to have a budget of a small European nation
>i have hope for es6
you are moronic lmao
lol you're fricking dumb
bethesda has been relying on mediocre 20110-tier gunplay for the past ten years to carry their games somehow. They'll have to buckle down and thing of something big to try and make a decent game without the shitty fallout 4 guns
>2010-tier
underaged moron can't comprehend that a giant studio will happily create and ship an inferior product that costs more to make so they can fold and go bankrupt long before they take a risk trying something new
Todd is at the helm. Todd has an ego. and a leather jacket
im closing the thread. you made it too obvious
shouldn't have brought up the jacket, too far man, too far
not any of them but why? what is the joke here?
Please stop engaging with the obligatory Fallout thread 'guy who types like a complete moron pretending to be an indian hoping to get (you)s'
it's sad but it is the same discussion over and over
melee has always been the best way to play the games and with chems all builds are viable.
I like melee/unarmed in 3 and NV because it feels like oblivion. The guns feel terrible in both
get animation packs and mods like b42 inertia, it'll help make the guns feel less shitty
BETHESDA
FO3 is barely an RPG so it better make its gunplay good at least.
>Gunplay
Again, the frick do iron sights have to do with that? It's just a fancy gimmick unless you're a hardcore gun autist that shits and pisses everywhere because OH MY GOD THE GUN DOES NOT MOVE TO THE CENTER SAVE ME TRIGGERMAN.
It's not that much of an improvement that somehow improves the gameplay, not to mention it was moronicly buggy.
nice strawman but the gunplay is shit with or without ironsights
>Strawman
You are the one strawmanning by bringing up the gunplay when i just talked about iron sights being insignificant in the post you mentioned, you fricking moron.
You have to (still) patch and mod FO3 to be playable
>unofficial patch
>NO BULLET RISE because they programmed bullets upside down
>NO AUTO AIM ASSIST
>AIM DOWN SIGHTS
this is the minimum to get gunplay working
Meanwhile New Vegas needs:
>New Vegas Anti Crash or else it crashes nonstop.
>New Vegas tick fix or else it microstutters to hell.
>New Vegas Unofficial patch because it is still a buggy fricking nightmare.
That is the minimum to make the game PLAYABLE. You need more mods to fix the complete lack of any meaningful exploration.
Stop pretending that New Vegas is some perfect masterpiece you mindless obsidiot.
I 100%'d the game totally modless and barely ran into issues. Don't know what to tell you.
Why lie? It's the most crash-prone game in the series.
>Why lie? It's the most crash-prone game in the series.
Why are you guys still making up shit? Fallout 3 is more stable in the ToTW mod than its normal version.
It will not crash any more than fallout 3 does
>New Vegas Anti Crash or else it crashes nonstop.
>New Vegas tick fix or else it microstutters to hell.
>New Vegas Unofficial patch because it is still a buggy fricking nightmare.
Didn't need any of these when I played the game for over 40 hours and I only crashed once or twice.
I don't know about you but the micro stutters were too much for me.
people say all this but i have never had a single issue downloading, launching, and playing fnv or fo3 with no issues
FO3 on Steam still doesn't work without a patch.
wrong. game is stable without mods, i know becasue i have 200 hours logged.
>New Vegas Anti Crash or else it crashes nonstop.
Correct. It makes it so it only crashes every 2 or so hours instead of always.
It's never Obsidian's fault, though.
if software bricks hardware it is literally always on the hardware manufacturer
there should be safeties in place to prevent hardware from being put in an invalid state or using dangerous amounts of resources
that applies whether it's this or whether it's something like uncapped framerates in menus of games like diablo 4 melting NVIDIA gpus
>more polished
>more polished
LOL
Game was buggier than CP77 on launch
>objectively a more interesting game?
You can objectively measure individual people's subjective interests?
2nd post best post.
I bought fallout3 on disc for pc.
the difference is 2 years, not 12 years
Fallout 3 came out with GFWL
Don't forget FO3 needed (still needs?) a patch to work on modern OS
ironically FO3 runs better out of the box then New Vegas on steam ever since the update to remove games from windows live
That could explain the general numbers, but they're both cheap and basically the same. Your explanation could explain a difference, but not a huge blow out
I love New Vegas and I must have finished it a dozen times by now, but you are right; I did start with Fallout 3 on my PS3. I got both GOTY editions on sale on steam some time after.
>2008
moron, it's because F3 is a broken piece of shit.
This is true but it's also because it was broken for a while unless you deleted some gfwl files.
What these anons are saying is outdated. Fallout 3 did do an update in 2021 to remove games for windows live which made it boot on modern computers. Still buggy but probably less buggy than vanilla FNV
I hated that moronic mutant and just kept him in his box every playthrough after that shit
they fixed this in a patch, you can send him in to do it, lol
only if you pass a speech check for some weird reason. so frick the mutie still.
kek that was the dumbest shit
it was so stupid that they had to change it afterward due to the community mocking the shit out of it. Bethesda themselves never even saw an issue with it lol
gonna post this premptively before 3tards try and spam their shit screencap that 'refuted this'
>completely ignoring the part where autumn wanted to literally piss in the well with FEV
Lmao
fpwp
filtered
>[Success] Hegelian Dialectic on Ganker is proof of Our autism.
Yup, I had F3 on the PS3 and then played FNV on PC. Same applied to my friend.
because Fallout 3 on PC was literally unplayable, Bethesda literally patched it like a year ago lol
why do schizos just make shit up?
Yes: bad game gets lower score, good game gets higher score. Hope that clears things up for you
Then why is fallout 3 higher on metacritic?
A few reasons. Fallout 3 started the whole apoca scavenge bullshit, better or worse. It was revolutionary in it's time. STALKER existed but had basically no marketing in comparison. Critics played FO3 and it blew their minds because it was 2008. Metacritic probably has older user votes too.
New Vegas had a bad launch. Lots of crashes and bugs. Also obsidian didn't get more money from a contract stating it had to reach a certain score. Needless to say, it was 1 point short. Look into that fiasco.
literally me.
>The bonus moronation again
You frickers do realize that they already had a massive paycheck for the game itself and the bonus was a small drop in the money puddle, right?
>But my 1 point
The contract stated 85 points so it had to be 85 points, regardless of the difference. No fricking company ever is going to pay a bonus for a failed contract agreement.
85 isn’t even a bonus-worthy score, it’s a threshhold chosen so that an 89 doesn’t lose the bonus a desired 90 would have earned.
Pic genuinely made me laugh
Game critics are fricking moronic
Nah both fallout 3 and new vegas are alright. But they really pale in comparison to the original 2 games.
No, fallout 3 is total dogshit. Nothing about it is good.
it's fun in it's own way
>frick the quest I'm walking to science pods
have a nice day troony
Fallout 3 is gayer than chud vegas
Exploring the map is fun, as much as exploring Skyrim. Some quests such as Tenpeny tower or the Dunwich building are good.
>bethesda games
>fun to explore
yeah i just love going into dozens of copy pasted low effort caves with nothing of value and low difficulty enemies
>yeah i just love going into dozens of copy pasted low effort caves with nothing of value and low difficulty enemies
I do not enjoy games so hard that I have to dedicate my life to become good in them, I play as a form of distraction not to get frustrated.
>Exploring the map is fun, as much as exploring Skyrim
Yes. Both are shit.
Because those reviews were accurate at the time. F3 was mindblowing when it released while NV launch was a disaster and it made Bethesda games look polished in comparison.
Zoomers are ignorant and lack the cognitive abilities to rationalize anything but the present moment, they are literally unable to comprehend that people's perception of a subject can change over time.
>NV launch was a disaster
what fricking disaster? I picked up the NV disc midnight at release and I played it as much as I could on my xbox 360, did every factions' storyline and replayed it countless times. it never once became a "disaster" like you homosexuals love to cry about
i 99%'d the game back in 2018 in like 140 ish hrs and it only crashed once. when i shared my experience i realised the vast majority experiences a lot of bugs and shit when playing that game
i didn't. so mileage may vary between every person
Well said but unfortunately I think there is another factor at play with "fanboys" are trying revising past events for whatever little win they can get. I personally recall Ganker being flooded with threads people b***hing they couldn't get out of doc Mitchell's office and experiencing all kinds of graphical bugs and crashes.
bethesda games are all like that on release
Bethesda's drones
Bethesda had an unholy game critic bonus in the 360 era. Go read contemporary reviews of oblivion and fo3, there will be things that make your eyes bulge that not even the biggest fo3 fans in 2024 would try to claim about the writing, combat, etc.
Why? I dunno if they had a more sophisticated pr machine or what. The fact that they are east coast and were nominally independent of public publishers back then made critic types way more favorable to them. American mainstream critics of the time also basically treated the 360 as when real videogames started because they had zero depth of PC knowledge beyond quake and total contempt for japan
Anyone not a zoomer remembers that New Vegas was cyberpunk tier broken at launch.
every game is it seems like
>Metacritic
Critics don't matter
fallout 3 is legitimately unironiclaly tailor made for games journalists
Lol that's anything but true. Poor gays quickly review bomb anything. I don't try to judge, but I went checked out some of the bad reviews for tekken when that came out and it was guys trying to play it on 960s and 1050s. I don't judge, but I don't understand why these people even bother. Steam should honestly put hardware specs on reviews.
>Steam should honestly put hardware specs on reviews
Kek, I can imagine all the moronic poorgays being exposed
>fallout 3
>bad game
are you moronic?
because people have a good taste in games. simple as that
>new vegas
>bad launch
>obsidian
seems about right
Fallout 3 was fricked on steam until recently because of GFWL shit
Oh yeah, they fixed it recently. I should play it again, just gotta mod off a few of the moronic shit like the filter
The top collection on Nexus makes it pretty good, I put a good 20 hours into it last year
Thanks for the tip, looks good anon
The writing in 3 is bad and NV expanded on 3's mechanics/fixed some gameplay issues that make it play better once the game isn't shitting the bed.
Also 3 was bricked on PC for a while because it required GFWL, which was discontinued, and Bethesda only patched the game to run without it fairly recently.
I hated Microsoft so much for gfwl. It was such a shitty, glitched, and overall garbage system. I get you have to compete, but put your fricking heart into it instead of phoning it in.
Also, frick Bethesda. My game froze 3 times at the intro section and I never went back to play fallout 3 again. Before steam gave refunds, so couldn't even get my money back.
Nv didn't fix anything, they added more shallow machines, complicated balances, left in a complete useless perk(maybe even more), change the running animation to a moon run(knick pick here), broke the gun sounds, made it have more glitches, iron sight misalignment, and weaker combat game play and atmosphere. NV only strengths is main story writing, and a roster of stronger notable factions and characters. Which made it far more memorable for popular culture. Also timing helped as well.
>shallow *mechanics
FTFY, no
>complicated balances
no
>left in a complete useless perk(maybe even more)
more info is needed
>change the running animation to a moon run(knick pick here)
true, but running isn't that better in 3
>broke the gun sounds
no
>made it have more glitches
yes, at launch, now it's more stable than 3
>iron sight misalignment
not for most weapons
>weaker combat game play
wrong
>atmosphere
lmao, you got me till there.
>more info is needed
I think he's talking about the "Knight in Shining Armor" perk. It's supposed to give you 20 DR against energy weapons, but they misspelled energy weapons so the perk is literally useless.
Pretend they got sold off to The Pitt.
It was also suppose to originally reflect laser weapons. But they change it years down line when that never worked I think.
>GFWL
Gfwl still works if you install it properly though
because new vegas still fricking works while fallout 3 hasn't been patched in the german version
i am imagining a lot of people are upset about it not running
Fallout 3 won't even work on Windows 10 without mods some time ago.
Fallout New Vegas has always been considered the better game outside of weird contrarian circles so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised really.
because nobody cares about vanilla fo3 you dumb homosexual
people buy the GOTY edition
https://store.steampowered.com/app/22370/Fallout_3_Game_of_the_Year_Edition/
>close to 34k
lol
Check who developed FNV and who developed F3. There is your answer.
Despite the contrarian memes, New Vegas has better story and gameplay.
tranfolx and chudkin are notorious review brigaders. its gotten to a point that I outright ignore user reviews, because there is a high chance the poster has an agenda and is lying or omitting certain things. train your intuition and you'll do well
Seek meds
Notice the troony Internet Defense Force came swooping in.
It'd be more fitting to compare console sales since 3 was butchered on PC. I had to get a pirated copy because the Steam version refused to work, and that was in 2017-18, a whole decade after the release
Fallout 3 is unoptimized and buggy as shit.
New Vegas is as well but it's nowhere near as bad. Fallout 3 better fricking runs but as in any bethesda game you must never quicksave or quickload as that slowly corrupts your files (maybe do it if you like melting ragdolls or flying spaghetti monsters)
fo3 never functioned on steam until I played it with TTW which uses new vegas
Most people who'd enjoy what Fallout 3 has to offer are better served by Fallout 4. New Vegas attracts people who otherwise hate bethesda style open worlds given it's essentially a standard CRPG running in the wrong engine.
>like how Bethesda actually builds their map
>hate most everything else
Pain in the fricking ass. Including neat little random areas to find and explore just for their own sake is literally what Bethesda does (did) best, and it was the one element I felt was sorely lacking from New Vegas. There are too many fricking podunk shacks I'm NV that only exist as a generic quest location.
Not saying Obsidian didn't try, you've got places like the Deathclaw Promontory and that one cave you find Mercy in, but you can feel that they ran out of time.
Of course Bethesda's most recent game didn't even have that going for it.
What really baffles me is in Starfield although everybody gets the same planet layouts point of interest location is random, even if the generation did make something interesting you can't get the fun of sharing that with the community.
Does FO3 even run on modern hardware?
SteamDB has some special formula for calculating the rating score.
https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-rating/
It does now, they patched the game and removed GFWL in 2021. But it doesn't look Fallout Script Extender was updated yet, so people running mods are still using the GFWL version.
Wait what, I bought FO3 on steam are you saying I can mod it? Didn't they update that shit recently when all the mods broke again?
I can't think of even a single reason why it would be worthwhile to replay Fallout 3 at this point. I replay NV at least once every couple years.
>mfw fo3 would have been so much more enjoyable if it wasn't for the hamfisted dad story
>tfw bethshit pulls the same bullshit with fo4 with the hamfisted son story
Todd has daddy issues, what do you expect.
Todd doesn't write the story, Emil does and even then he is not the one who is bringing daddy issues into their games. It's Brian Chapin, a bethesda.net moderator turned developer. He was quite outspoken about having issues with his father and trying to work them out through game development
I think the main problem is that people think both games were aiming for the same thing and thus one must've "succeeded" and the other "failed". It was always clear to me that what bethesda wanted to do with 3 is different from what obsidian wanted with nv, both tone and gameplay-wise. I consider them separate games with different goals but similar means (or rather, engines)
>loredump about fallot dev dad issues
Lol I was just making a funny, that's comical how it was all really stemming from a b***h boy writing about his hurt feelings.
Yeah, Chapin is a massive homosexual who insisted that Father in FO4 should be killable during your first interaction because he hates his own dad
good frick father. He's unironically the worst part of fallout 4.
Shaun is responsible for everything that is fricking over the Commonwealth at the time of the game and also thought he could use his parents as rats in a maze experiment. He does sorta deserve to get shot dead.
His moronic reason aside, every character should be killable in fallout games
at least 1 and 2 did this right, and from the looks of modern RPGs, this is a bygone industry practice, fricking hugbox homosexuals
Nobody scripts their games to account for npc deaths, because most modern designers are failed hollywood writers who can only envision a linear narrative that the player must be captive to
>I think the main problem is that people think both games were aiming for the same thing
it's pretty much just because the games look and play similar, a la abes exoddus and oddysee.
i mean, you can get a mod that literally puts both games together, come on
Daddy issues usually don't end up in the story that glorifies your father as the hero.
But... Father is Shaun... Your son...
Is he literally just seething at the word FATHER itself, not the fact that YOU are the father in the scenario?
That was a good idea though. Goring him with a minigun the moment he's going in to say "Hi dad" is always hilarious.
despite being your son, Shaun behaves like an elder to the player character. Withholds information, assumes your ignorance, tries to be the guiding voice of reason. He takes on the role of father in the dynamic, whether you like it or not
fo4 feels schizophrenic with the writing. Most of the little unmarked sidequests are pretty great, but all of the main quests and companion stuff is shit.
4 was a predecessor to similar issues in Starfield, namely no one really being on the same page. Danse alone swings from
>total ghoul death
to
>they're just hekkin' SURVIVING out here like the rest of us!
and it depends entirely on which encounter he's responding to at the time. Bethesda's development practices are sloppy and their problems will continue until they work their shit out.
The companions were the only good part of 4.
I replay both games fairly regularly and think that they are good
I don't know why people have to choose a side
It's weird. I some parts of 3 more and some of vegas more. This whole vegas vs 3 thing is stupid.
>I some parts
yeah, I some parts too
I completely forgot to type out enjoy. oops. Sorry about that.
Obsidian devs are ultra woke libs. Yes, even back then they were, the difference is that back then they were mostly men and now they are mostly feminist women from twitter.
Two of the games main companions are gay, you can also spec into being gay and/or bisexual, cry about it
Yeah and they don't shove it in your face every 2 seconds, they're written like actual fricking people instead of "I'm gay, did you know I'm gay. Wow I'm so gay and brave"
I just play modded New Vegas as my cope Doctor Who game
Did you know the Velma show was almost universally hated and yet, it had a very large audience watching it?
Higher popularity does not always equate to better reception.
I have it, should I give it another chance?
without mods? no
i've played new vegas a lot both with and without mods. you really don't need them, especially not for first playthrough when you dont know which mods to get
New Vegas is literally the only TES-like game which is good enough to play without mods.
Facts. It really is the best Gamebryo engine (Idgaf if they rename it per update) game out there.
Morrowind
yes
No. You clearly can't make your own decisions so I suggest you follow the bandwagon and play the fotm, I think it's FF7 or Dragon's Dogma 2.
Looking at sales it's clearly not ff7. It's still helldivers 2 at the moment. I wonder what's the next game everyone will jump on.
yeah man, its a fun game
>Classic Fallout gets praised for its consistency compared to Bethesda Fallout
>the fricking intro of 2 doesn't make sense at all and the devs have admitted as such
I fricking loved the interview Tim Cain did on tumblr (of all places) where he basically denounced fo2 as a cashgrab and regretted putting ghosts, talking deathclaws and stereotypical gangsters into the game
I felt so vindicated after spending years arguing with nma gays that fo2 is tonally all over the place and is a less cohesive game than fo1
reno is kino and so are ghosts. Frick him
I agree. love F1 so much because of it's tight narrative that's tied into gameplay and consistent world building that expands and the story does.
Mr. Cain has a YouTube channel now where he talks a lot about more unknown aspects of Fallout and other games he worked on.
I recently found out about it; it's great. https://www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames/videos
I can't remember in which video(s) he said it but yeah, he really didn't/doesn't like some of the ways FO2 diverged.
yes, it can take a while to click but if it does then you'll really like it
I bought it at release, bounced off it a couple times over the years without ever getting past Novac, then it finally stuck in 2022 and I sank 100 hours into a playthrough (unmodded). I have no idea why.
I tried it 3 times before it finally clicked. Now it's one of my favorite games of all time
jeet taking big advantage of the IP counter being gone today
>ip counter being gone
that's the most gayest thing that has happened to this site for years. it was one of our few weapons we could use to counter against samegayging morons, now it's gone. I blame the troony jannies for not doing their jobs properly
There's literally no reason not to have thread IDs on all boards but trannies would cry about it
Yeah, man, and we should all have something that helps keep track of us between threads so we can follow anons we like
IDs reset each thread, there's nothing to track
i don't want thread ids.
Why not
because this isn't /misc/ you fricking moron, you can't just move from /misc/ to Ganker and then demand Ganker be just like your own little board
next it'll be wanting flagposting
That's not an argument. /misc/ isn't even the only board with thread ids. Explain why they're bad.
anon you're not going to change my mind so how about you pre-emptively spew your garbage that i will no doubt ignore
Fricking homosexual, it js because of subhumans like you, trolls, troons and other desirables we need them
>muh /misc/
They did something right unlike Ganker
I wish you le donald refugee frickers would just return to Reddit and stop trying to make Ganker like it. If you can't cope without a little label telling you who's who, you don't belong here
>le
>capitalized r*ddit
you are a phoneposting homosexual who stumbled here from 9gag
i can't fault Ganker users for seeing that the website sucks and wishing for a way to improve it
and i also can't fault the average Ganker user for being too moronic to know what would make the site better and what would make the site worse
the real blackpill is that the only way to keep schizos from ruining every board is requiring account creation via phone verification to create threads (but all posts are still anonymous)
So you can troll, spam and samegay? ID on all boards
i have sympathy for the troony jannies because this website is host to the most insufferable and powerful schizophrenic autists of all time.
the vidya butts guy alone is too powerful for jannies to fix.
>IP Counter gone
For what reason? Janny caught samegayging?
New Vegas is a better game. On mutiliple different fronts too. It's better in a lot of ways, and to fully discuss it would take me like half an hour to type all that shit up and I ain't about to do that.
Games For Windows Live
One is more popular than the other
For a long time Fallout 3 was simply unplayable and would crash from desktop. I believe it was linked to that archaic Games for Windows Live extension.
I had to refund my Steam copy and get it from GoG instead.
Never had issues with New Vegas. Just regular crashing and infinite loading screens 3 is also a victim of.
Trannies
The writing in Fallout 3 is fricking horrible. Not to mention it's even more buggy and unstable than NV.
building is an important part of what makes RPGs fun and new vegas lets you do that better
I was going to say that it seems very unfair to compare a level 2 perk to a level 10 perk in terms of function and also that FO3 has nerd rage as well but I did not realize how fricking grim the level 2 perks were as a whole for FO3. At least NV has shit like rapid reload, hunter and heave ho
the level 2 perks were mostly meant to buff people through potato early game.
min-maxers would take intense training (before the level 30 perk) but lady killer is the only fun option. swift learner is a moron trap and shouldn't be in there. I almost maxed all skills for a level 20 character by bug abusing the science and big guns books, taking high int early game, rushing skillbooks and bobbleheads first, etc.
It was fun but I'm glad I recovered from my autism
Aye, the perk system in 3 is grim. The one they set up in 4 is arguably worse because it's like they just baked 3's skills and perks together but also level-gated everything so you can't just go all-in on something, you have to spread your points around.
forcing point spreading is kino when you do it right thoughever
They tried to supplant your character's backstory and personality with these perks. Stupid, but that is what the intent was
making perks define your backstory is fine. the real sin is making the benefit so boring.
like look at the new vegas perks. all of the "+5 this +5 that" perks are gone in favor of more flavorful stuff
To be fair, I think they wanted to recreate the skill buff perks from the original games. Speaker and Mr. Fixit come to mind
Well they clearlry didnt put any fricking effort into them, just like most of the game.
>raised up 10
that's just another way of saying +10
did they mean to write "up to a max of 10?"
do fallout games even process the effects of anything SPECIAL being over 10?
because for skills it really feels like if anything goes over 100 it has a little bit of an effect
i have never been able to prove this so i want you to do it for me
fallout 1/2 going over 100 is pretty overkill on most skills. non combat skills is on rng chance to succeed so going to 150 can make it guaranteed instead of 99% success but just do it again instead??? combat skills going over 100 is helpful for dealing with penalty's like being in the dark and extreme range. i almost always go 130 skill in my main combat stat in fo1/fo2
Up to the max of 10 yes
Iirc the games before 4 did keep track of SPECIAL's above then but didn't show it, while Fallout 4 allows you to go way above 10 with bonuses
And yeah skills above 100 do have an effect, Boone is programmed to have like 110 Guns
>Nerd Rage is from New Vegas
Uh oh, anon.
Fallout 3 was originally a GFWL game, Microsoft's first failed attempt at making their own branded DRM. Mods really only worked when you gutted it though.
Easily. Most people played 3 and NV on console around release. But New Vegas blew up in popularity around 2016 (Yes when the troony memes blew up). When PC gaming already blew up and overtook consoles. Most of those reviews are comparitavely recent. And steamdrones dont actually play series, they just play the popular game in a franchise that was recommended to them. Especially when 2 games are very similar like 3 and NV but one is considered just the same but more. Same thing happened with 2 and 1. Most modern players who try 2 skip 1.
I hate that shit so much. It's not just steamdrones but normies in general. They just play the most recent entry, call themselves a fan and wait for the new one. My first fallout was 4, but I trickled back to all the previous entries and even played the isometric originals. Turns out I am an obscure minority, as most people don't want to deal with "simpler graphics" or "worse combat" so they just wait for more modern slop to arrive. And their money weighs as much as ours does, so companies will always side with the normie majority
It depends. I'm an oldgay who crew up on shit like Ultima and Crusader, and I fricking hate the older fallouts. Everything about them other than the writing, from the UI to the battle system is annoying as shit, and I don't blame anybody for not getting into them.
They're prohibitively obnoxious games, and it's not because of their age - other companies older than them were making isometic RPGs that were far friendly and enjoyable to play. IMO they get simped for far too hard just because bethesda have been morons with the series.
I agree there are better general implementations of isometric RPGs, but at the very least Fallout 1 is still a must play.
Shut the frick up boomer
Make me, pantsshitter.
>pantsshitter
such a strange and specific insult you must have experience in pants shitting
Fallout 3 has horrid shooting mechanics and the game is really fricking ugly even compared to new vegas.
New Vegas is good and Fallout 3 is shit. It is really as simple as that.
not to burst anyones gay little bubble but only ONE of these games even fricking works without tinkering around.
Most people bought the physical version of FO3.
Yeah and they refunded it afterwards.
2 years apart may seem like a short amount of time to people already in their 30s but it also means that generally speaking the people who bought games on steam could be the younger generation who have different opinions.
I saw this once I started getting older and tastes were changing.
>you should blow yourself up NOW
>ok how come
>you did a bad job
>you're...right...leave the facility i'll do it
that should answer every single question you have
New Vegas just hit different
yeah, it hits
with a pile of shit in the face
that's kind of hot
>zoomer doesn't know what gfwl is
It became cool to praise new Vegas. Maybe I’m just imagining this but I really remember new Vegas getting shit on before fallout 4 came out
Lol yeah I remember that too. Wonder how those gays feel now.
Fallout 3 used to require Games for Windows Live on PC, unless you bought the GOG version.
Steam only recently got a version that removed GFWL, but you're not going to have a ton of people going back to buy FO3 at this point this many years later.
new vegas is a strictly better game than fo3 and people know it. the people they didnt know it learned it from cultural osmosis. they bought the good one and ignored the bad one. 14 years of that leads to a snowball effect in favor of the good game.
not rocket science.
fallout 3 doesnt run on most peoples machines.
NV is overrated and is just as bad as 3
Fallout 3 wasn't on steam when it released.
Fallout 3 also was unplayable for a long on windows 7 and 10 without using mods to remove games for windows live shit.
New vegas didn't have those issues.
>steam reviews
>relevant
I've seen games go from very positive to mixed because people are tech illiterate and from positive to overwhelming because of a youtuber (the game is shit and people have 0.5hrs)
New Vegas does a better job of creating a realized world.
There is a sense of economy and interaction between different factions in the world, as well as the player has the freedom to ally or make enemies with different factions.
Fallout 3 is a grid, and every square in that grid has a perfectly measured episodic slice of adventure.
New Vegas is a world where factions roam and interact in messy ways. Theres empty desserts as well as eccentric towns full of strange peoples and stories that bleed and mix through their interactions with other peoples and places.
I personally like Fallout 3's "frick off anywhere" design. There's only a few areas like around DC and the missile bases up north-east that are clearly off limits. Fallout 3 is truly open world.
New Vegas has a much smaller map. As well the same 90% of runs start the same way for the first few hours, counter-clockwise around Primvac.
>nah uh if you're autistic you can steal the stealth boy and sneak past the deathclaws and cazadores and high level bandits
>nah uh if you're autistic you can steal the stealth boy and sneak past the deathclaws and cazadores and high level bandits
Infinitely better than level scaling.
you're right but I go into fallout expecting the level scaling shit so I can roam
>New Vegas has a much smaller map.
its larger just not spread evenly
I haven't played New Vegas since close to its release, do I really need an account to mod it?
I legitimately think between FO4 into 76 into Starfield with 11 skyrim rereleases inbetween that we're at the point Blizzard was at around the diablo 3 release. You are either just such a thoughtless ball-licker that you're ride or die on this company and they can virtually do no wrong or you're an actual person capable of rational and critical thought that it's very obvious that anyone who had any talent has left that company long ago. I have never seen such consistency in removing features and dumbing down games in a long time. I don't even know if ES6 is going to be an RPG
>Tfw one of my closest friends is still a Blizzard and Bethesda Fallout dickrider
He has never played Fallout, Fallout 2 or New Vegas though.
>Can someone please explain why is this?
One has become a meme and the other hasn't, simple as.
The fact that there's at least one NV thread every month while there isn't a 3 should tell you everything you should know.
Funny how obsidiots have to compare New Vegas to Fallout 3 instead of Fallout 4 since 4 blew NV out of the water in terms of popularity and success.
They have never been able to cope with the fact that Fallout 4 raped its ass and that NV is only loved by a small group of rabid cultists.
0/10
Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good. In fact usually it's the opposite with bethesda properties. Fallout 4 and Skyrim are the best selling entries of their series and they're both watered down to the point of barely being RPGs. You can still like them, I do, but you must acknowledge that they aren't as good and cohesive games as past installments.
I don't get why people judge Bethesda games as rpgs, and the more rpg they are the better. They have always been shit at rpg element. the more they embrace the exploration based open world action game ethos the better the end product is
It's a subjective topic but if you look at the most core RPG Bethesda game (Morrowind) and the most exploration go anywhere do anything looter shooter Bethesda game (Starfield) There is a clear winner.
>ITS POPULAR SO ITS GOOD
Good goy.
It was non playable without a wizard level knowledge computers before a 2019 update
Honest hearts +3 crit armor
boone hat
9 luck boosted to 10
5 crti perk
laser weapon build for laser commander for another +10
50% critical damage perk
light armor which the 3 crit chance armor is +5% crit perk and 25% lower chance you receive crit
light armor 10% move speed perk
skill repair before anything else to get jury rigger as soon as you can. sell fully repaired weapons to buy higher damage enerrgy ammo and now your tri laser rifle can be repaired by just laser rifles a very common weapon.
tri laser laser rifle that has an absurd base crit chance already
you now critical for like 90 damage a beam on a 3 beam rifle pretty much every other click deleting everything in the game with a few click click clicks.
gun non shotgun gays don't understand this power.
explosives is also neat. this game has a lot of cool character building for a 3d shooter, usually thats pretty weak.
it has better character building than fallout 1/2 even though i love those games it does get old that realistically there's only like 9 good perks in the game with a lot of dead skills you don't care to skill up outside of one section like repair
meanwhile my epic fo3 charater building is literally just a bunch of +5-+10 skills *yawn*
I never understood this meme. The only Perks that are flat skill boosters are the ones you get from the first few level ups.
Eh there are a few spread through the game, but you also have enough options to never touch any
Tho there's Cyborg which is both a skill booster and an actual perk at the same time
the best skills in 3 are the boring skill ups with few exceptions like better criticals
Hell no, unless you chose to play a low int character for some reason.
name perk better than a free +15 to big guns.
better critical
5% more cirtical
grim reepaer sprint?
okay what about the other 27 level ups
>high luck
>ninja
>better critical
>grim reaper's sprint
frick it, reminds me how amazing it all was
Even as someone who always makes a Sneak build, Ninja seemed kind of useless to me.
Sneak+ any type of gun is way better than Sneak + melee and unarmed unless you have a shit ton of stealth boys or the Chinese Stealth Armor. Plus, by level 20, your sneak criticals should be one-shotting anything less than a Behemoth anyway.
Grim Reaper’s Sprint is absolutely busted though and basically turns the game into Max Payne.
You might be right about ninja but the anons b***hing about most of the perks being shit are right
Most of the really good perks are locked behind Stat requirements. Stuff like Animal Friend, Robotics Expert, Cyborg and so on that actually enhance roleplaying and change the way you play the game have some decently high stat requirements.
I’m on the fence behind that. On the one hand, it makes perks seem initially more boring than they actually are, but on the other hand, it rewards you for making an actual build instead of trying to be a jack-of-all-trades.
Fallout 3 literally didn't work on a fresh install from steam for years. You needed a mod just to play it.
And im pretty sure New Vegas was just getting more popular at the time.
new vegas wasn't liked for like 2 months and then it was seen as the better game since just because its buggy ass launch really kneecapped it. also helps that its dlcs are beloved and it released quite a few. new vegas is the only game i know of that people actually discuss the dlcs in depth years later.
>discuss the DLCs
I mostly see people(me included) shitting on them tbh
They're probably the weakeat part of New Vegas's story for me, along with Yesman as a concept
They're great, almost all of them are very unique side stories that kinda tie into each other.
I personally find it very weird how the public perception of 3 and NV shifted over time.
When 3 came out, it was seen as a highly influential masterpiece and ground breaking game (it still is, since it basically set the mainstream standard of what a post-apocalyptic game should look like), whereas NV was seen as a good, but flawed game that needed more time in the oven.
Nowadays it seems like that perception is reversed.
I honestly don’t see the big difference between the two games aside from structure since they’re basically mechanically identical. If anything, I prefer 3, but that’s because I’m not a fan of how NV’s attempts to railroad you for the first half of the game, plus the Mojave just isn’t as interesting.
Both games have their problems, but they’re both good though.
>Weird
It's unironically ecelebs
The spike in NV love 3 hate was not far after Hbomberguy did his review of vegas claiming it a masterpiece and 3 as trash. That opened gigantic normalgay floodgates, and, knowing Hbomber himself and his audience, lots of trannies, who love to cling onto things that aren't theirs and "bash the door down" in the community, which also resulted in lots of troony vegas spam.
There was also NMA-Codex homosexualry still being salty that bethesda actually did something about their bomb threat during the F3 announcement instead of caving in like Black Isle did back in the day.
So you have:
>Giant eceleb calling it a masterpiece (Which his viewers, being children, trannies and terminally online morons are going to parrot without a second thought)
>NMA-codex homosexuals, notorious for hating literally everything, claiming NV is "return to good and classic FO", the one they also spent years hating upon and terrorizing black isle for. Having the biggest fallolut forum on the internet, they have some "street cred" in the eyes of normalgays and spreading that opinion
>Both snowballing over time into more youtubers spreading the idea of "F3 bad NV good", with allegedly people like Schizo Elijah starting meme shitfests like "Pajeetout 3" spam
>Trannies gain a huge foothold on internet and claim New Vegas as their holy grail, being the most vocal group you can find, which makes submissive modern audience agree otherwise it's sexist or some shit, therefore painting NV as the "Good guy" for being troony ally.
>Bethesda fricking up with later games, making people think it retroactively makes older games worse, even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
The list goes on but you get the point.
Wait
NMA threatened to bomb Bethesda AND Black Isle?
No, but they did send threats to devs at BIS when anything past FO1 came out.
This was partly a reason why Van Buren was canned too before Interplay went to sell the rights.
no people called new vegas better before that point. 3 wasn't liked by real fallout fans since literal day 1 release with speculation it was going to be shit before its release. stop trying to fit in
>3 wasn't liked by real fallout fans
Eh who cares the game wasn't really popular until after 3 anyway, NMA are as worse as NV trannies
>muh trannies
The biggest Cuckout 3 shill is a lying, troon supporting little b***h.
>even though both Skyrim and Fallout 3 were groundbreaking in the years they came out
Skyrim was not groundbreaking in any way other than further normalizing striping out RPG features from an RPG for the sake of a dumber audience.
I remember it being liked before people got to the end then everyone was pissed that it had one ending because it was promised to have a shitload.
Fallout 3 had an INSANE amount of content. Ever try to get to the Arlington National Cemetery? Explore the mall's museums? Riley's Rangers? DC is an enormous dungeon complex with a few above-ground stations that reward you with some fast travel. Doing the plot with Rivet City and the Brotherhood and the Damn is really like 15% of the game. 3dog barely dips your toes into the DC clusterfrick.
I want to try New Vegas again and explore under shit vegas but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
>I want to try New Vegas again and explore under shit vegas but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
saying this after praising fallout 3 is fricking crazy dude.
also you mean a couple copy pasted looking rooms with nothing in it but more supermutants to shoot? that dc?
The metro is all pretty samey as a backdrop (go figure) but they put in a variety of lobbies, brightness, traps, defenses, lighting, and different enemies: Raiders, ghouls, mutants, lurks. To see where you pop out is the reward for the grind.
NV looks a little more complicated underground at first glance with a little arena. I really like mole-men friendly games where there's options to traverse underground.
its boring ass literal 1 texture tunnels with might as well be random encounter ghouls in copy pasted escalator rooms. if you like it that much than idk stick to fallout 3, its a pretty terrible game with tons of that. you can enjoy your lol not boring fallout 3 intro lmao. how are you real?
it was fun in 2010 and maybe 2015 but I'm not going back to it. There's so many clearly better games now that it's not worth it. But on release it was godlike
It didn't have as much content as NV (without including the cut content) and the writing was trash anyway, ridiculously corny voice acting just makes everything worse.
>but I hate the opening of that game because it's the same shitty opening beats every time.
And 3 is better.. how? Or 4? Oh wait that's right, 3 started the trend of dogshit game openers. Obsidian just followed suit cause that's what 3kiddies wanted.
3dog is a piece of shit. only troons like that homie. I'm starting to think 3 might be the troon game.
>Hbomber himself and his audience
>It was then that anon realized he was in fact the homosexual.
Take your e-celeb addiction and frick off.
>See apples fall from the tree
>That means you are the apple on the tree
Not very bright, are you?
No real Fallout fan liked that Bethesda fanfic.
Some guy made the Mojave in roblox and I was playing with Schizo Elijah running around shooting people. Had no idea the guy was a israelitetuber. He ran around the game as Father Elijah with holograms blasting people. It was a quality gaming experience.
Bethesda got an ungodly amount of leeway back in the 360 era. Despite how much shitposting about New Vegas gets (and rightfully so) about being buggy at launch, Fallout 3 and Oblivion weren't much better in this regard. It's all nostalgia for Fallout 3. And hell Ganker was among the first to point out its many issues. (pic related is over a decade old at this point.) Most people that are fans of Fallout now started with 3. Personally I have no idea how someone could like 3 over NV these days. NV is just 3 but with actually decent writing and combat that isn't a total slog due to half the enemies being damage sponges.
Anon half the people with these asinine takes just do so in order to have a "unique" opinion on something. In liberal society, being a "libertarian" or "free thinker" is basically just a simulacrum of what it actually means to be those things. It's all a calculated choice to maximize one's "based" stats, saying anything too unpopular, such as liking age of decadence, shadowrun returns, mainframe defenders (IDK some other shit but i got the most shit for these) would get you in the "cringe" category
>When 3 came out, it was seen as a highly influential masterpiece and ground breaking game
Prove it.
>the Mojave just isn’t as interesting
This. I played both games around the time of their release and I remember FO3 more fondly than NV because it had way more memorable locations. Whereas the New Vegas strip, which I feel I spent most of my time in is one of the ugliest, "uncomfy" locations in any game I've ever played, and the orange piss filter didn't help matters.
This seems about right. Something about NV's popularity nowadays seems over-inflated beyond all comprehension, considering it's unfinished and stuck in a fossil of a game engine. Ultimately, both games are incredibly flawed because of that reason. I can imagine preferring NV just slightly over FO3 because of the writing or whatever, but I'd argue both games are (or were, rather) around the same level of "recommended". The difference being that NV is so insanely fricking overrated now, it's almost sickening.
>around the same level of "recommended"
No, you're completely delusional and out of your mind.
I'm not. I played both games, then moved on. And as time passed, the more my love/hate relationship with games running on that engine turned into more hate than love. The delusion here is thinking NV is some earth-shattering ludo compared to FO3, you'll be dealing with the same mechanical jank in both. Writing alone isn't going to save that.
*when you'll
>Writing alone isn't going to save that.
But it does. You won't find such a reactive AAA RPG anymore. There's a reason why NV is still talked over and played by thousands of people every day. Either way, great writing and memorable characters are extinct in RPGs. FO3 was just dogshit on those parts and its gunplay was ludicrously boring (uniques don't even look different). You could only shoot someone if you spammed VATS.
>There's a reason why NV is still talked over and played by thousands of people every day.
I was curious about that claim, so I went to check on it. Right now, both Skyrim and FO4 are at 20k and 15k players respectively, way higher numbers than NV and it's not even close (for comparison, Starfield sits at 6k players, which is also much lower than both Skyrim and FO4, so it's not just a matter of recency bias). Even FO76, which has been pretty consistently shat on since its inception has higher numbers than NV.
>FO3 was just dogshit on those parts and its gunplay was ludicrously boring
Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV. I half-expect this will turn into some autistic comparison about how you can change ammo types and other gimmicks, but seriously, even at the time the gunplay in both games was garbage at worst and mediocre at best.
>You could only shoot someone if you spammed VATS.
Now this is just wrong.
I have no fricking idea what this even means.
Another wall of shitty cope, impressive
Coping about... what? What the frick are you talking about? Are you a bot?
We're all bots here, anon.
Why don't you compare NV to 3 now? Also, nobody plays vanilla FO4 or Skyrim at all.
>Even FO76, which has been pretty consistently shat on since its inception has higher numbers than NV.
Yeah, bigger numbers=/=more quality. Is this what you're trying to imply?
>Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV.
NV has far superior guns, iron sights too. With F3 you'll get shitty trash dispensers and ayylien weaponry, which are immersion breaking at best. None of the unique variants of the weapons either feel or look unique. This has gotten worse in F4 and F76 just straight up copies weapons from Tactics. Also, why shouldn't ammo types and weapon modding be valid reasons for NV's superiority? It clearly has more depth and thought put into it, where Bethesda couldn't even bother to add them.
>Now this is just wrong.
I'm completely right. F3 guns are pathetic and only something like Combat Shotgun will deal good enough damage to the tanky enemies with high DR.
>Also, nobody plays vanilla FO4 or Skyrim at all.
And people play vanilla NV? Highly doubt that.
>Yeah, bigger numbers=/=more quality. Is this what you're trying to imply?
No, on the contrary. What I'm saying is that you are vastly overplaying the game's strengths. You said writing alone saves NV from being a janky clusterfrick, and that supposedly is a reason as to why thousands of people are still playing the game. I don't believe that for a second. Despite how great you might argue the writing in NV is, there isn't much left for the average player to find out in a 14 year old game. Only a few dozen of truly obsessed autists would still be playing NV for the story to this fricking day. It's a ridiculous explanation. The reason that a fair amount of people are still playing NV is because it's a sandbox game that can run on virtually any PC these days, and the Steam version of NV is in arguably better state than FO3 as it's been pointed out in this thread. It's not because of some "deeper" reason about the believable reactive world, writing, or whatever. If it was, more people would be playing NV than fricking FO4.
Also,
>unironically using iron sights as an argument as to why NV's shooting is better than FO3
>It means what it means, moron.
No, I really don't know what you mean, and I still don't. You're calling NV's world immersive and believable and that has scratching my head. This is what makes NV fans so deluded to me, because the problems that massively hurt the believability and immersion in FO3 (and other Bethesda games in general) like rubble and trash scattered around lived in areas, the stiffness of animations in NPCs and repeated voice actors for different characters also plague NV.
>This is what makes NV fans so deluded to me, because the problems that massively hurt the believability and immersion in FO3 (and other Bethesda games in general) like rubble and trash scattered around lived in areas, the stiffness of animations in NPCs and repeated voice actors for different characters also plague NV.
Thanks for proving my point. You don't care about writing, about characters, about the story, or plot. You just want to consume low quality slop tailored for braindead arpiggies. That's why you find F3 good. It's because of homosexuals like you that real RPGs are a dying breed.
Anon, you've been seething and acting like a drama queen all this time for no reason. I made it quite clear from the start I haven't cared much about Bethesda games in years. I'm not really defending FO3 either, my argument has more to with NV being overrated because it suffers too much from running on a shitty ass game engine and generally sharing many of the same problems other Bethesda games have.
The reason why F4 is still played is because it offers people decent gunplay, which F3 lacks. And NV offers people a wide variety of role playing mechanics, which F3 also lacks. It has nothing to offer. That's why nobody mods for it either.
>F4 is still played is because it offers people decent gunplay
Right, which both FO3 and NV lack, just to be clear. And considering we're talking about a collection of games where moment-to-moment interactions are very prevalent, and you're spending a lot of your time walking around and taking in the view, the reality is that people will naturally gravitate towards the slightly more polished and visually appealing options.
Essentially, all the good writing and roleplaying in NV gets bogged down by the fact that is stuck in an FPS RPG with a very wonky and ugly framework, full of technical issues and limitations. The best NV fans can do is cope about nuggets of gold being buried under a steaming pile of shit.
It means what it means, moron. Don't you play enough RPGs to get that? You prefer le wacky, nonsensical stuff over a more immersive, believable world. There are lots of morons like you who play bottom-of-the-barrel "RPGs" and call themselves RPG enthusiasts.
>Gunplay is essentially the same shit as NV.
3 doesn't even have iron sights
>he doesn't immerse himself by purchases shitty boxes of bulk ammo from the dollar store
Must be terrible not to be able to engage with material
no it's not.
Ironsights aside, in Fallout 3 damage you deal with a weapon scales with your skill.
Dice rolls are something that works only if you have prepared contigencies for varying degrees of failures or success.
Digital RPGs don't have a game master who does that so fallout 3 is just savescumming until you get the desired result, having a threshold reduces the amount of save scumms to 0 or 1 if you have uatism and need to succeed using doping
>orange piss filter
You do know it changes from location to location, right? The reason it's orange is because the game is situated in a hot desert, there are other areas that are in different color, such as Camp Searchlight, Freeside, Jacobstown etc. Meanwhile the entirety of Fallout 3 is just shitty green? Why? Because of le bombz lul even though 200 fricking years has passed. It's nonsensical.
>fondly
That's because you enjoy theme parks masquerading as a desolate, war-torn wasteland.
I find the Mojave interesting and DC boring. The Mojave feels real and lived in while DC was cool back in the day, it's just a amusement park of zany places and things, oh so zany!
I don’t give a frick about public perception. I liked NV more ever since release. It’s just better in every way.
>It’s just better in every way.
>worst radio music
>worst open world
>worst storytelling
>worst quests
>no dungeons
>no random encounters
>no difficulty
>no exploration
This is poe's law. It is impossible to tell if you're a moronic subhuman or trolling.
>no counter argument
>you're just trolling!
i accept your concession
see
so much of your post is factually wrong that we can only assume that you're baiting or moronic
>WE NEED WATER
>DON'T THINK ABOUT IT JUST LOOK AT THE SHINY THING AND SHOOT THE GUNS
Bethesda are fricking terrible at world building. Literally the worst in the business that even the simplest things are too far out of their writing capability. They can't write or world build for shit lmao
They are actually the best in the business at environmental storytelling. The autistic haters don't like it because they have to actually infer something that isn't stated directly in a text dump.
>oh look at this skeleton that shouldn't be here and is still in the same position at a writing desk long after it should have turned to dust
>oh my god he must have been writing a love letter to his lover who was in love town playing love songs about his long lost love
>Bethesda are the bestest ;_;
fricking lol
>he didn't get it
sorry bro, not everyone can be smart
>Accidental find, no markers on the map, no clues. I love this game.
These are the kind of homosexuals you're discussing the game with btw
>NV’s attempts to railroad you for the first half of the game
lmao wut? the only railroading is fo3’s prologue, in both games you can go anywhere from the start
In NV, you can theoretically go wherever you want, but the game attempts to force you down the intended path by putting Deathclaws and Cazadores everywhere. In 3, the game honestly doesn’t care if you ignore the intended path once you leave the Vault (which takes like 15 minutes if you know what you’re doing).
its not “theoretical”, you CAN go anywhere
you can choose to go to the area with high level enemies that will kick your teeth in, this is the opposite of handholding
still shit tho, especially for new players. 3 did it better. also you just skip half of the worldbuilding of the game, which are nothing but info dumps but still.
Bro you can reach Vegas without combating any cazadores or deathclaws, by just running. Have you even played the game? FFS one of the main min-maxing methods is just walking to Vegas so you can buy an INT implant before leveling up.
But now we are meta gaming, which is arguably not intended with initial designed choices.
the cazadores stop being a threat as soon as you get your hands on an SMG, which is the moment you are allowed to wander around Doc Mitchell's house if you have 30 repair, or 20 repair and a skill magazine.
pick one up, pack up some bullets and spray in their direction, their wings will be crippled and render them unable to move around and jump at you like a spastic monkey.
you could also walk the initial segment of black mountain and ignore the brutes and the nightkin on that spot then climb up the ledge where the rocks fall, that spot leads straight to the strip by the way of repcom's headquarters, with no deathclaws or cazadores in sight.
if you fight the cazadores, you clean up enough of a path to get both chance's knife and love and hate, two amazing melee weapons for the early game
It's almost as if doing the big loop de loop serves multiple purposes, such as introducing factions one by one, tell the first act of a story, let the player actually gain levels and build a character before dropping them in the conflict, and to tease New Vegas itself
An on-rails beginning that sprawls out is underrated game design. Especially if the "On-rails" just exists on your mind.
is almost as the sheep got mindwashed by youtubers and their cherrypicked essays.
This board is such a mangled fricking corpse at this point me even making the claim that it has been raped and defaced is pointless. You people were literally born in like 2005. It doesn't matter anymore.
being in the old gay thread 30 mins ago before the jannies nuked tells you all you need to know
the "attempts to railroad" you felt natural even though you knew exactly what they were. beating all the npcs in your way or getting past them was the funnest stuff and is more like a classic rpg where you go somewhere you aren't supposed to be at that level and get fricked up. now everything has to be scaled cause devs are moronic casual homosexuals like you that cry if the game doesn't cater to their every b***hing whim.
Fallout 3 was the beta, new Vegas was the final finished product.
They're both unfinished as frick
3 is definitely a finished and fully realised product. It’s just buggy (unsurprising given the scope of the game).
NV has entire questlines and areas that were completely scrapped. It’s obvious that the east side of the river was meant to have way more to it originally.
They had 18 fricking months to make the New Vegas game and it was a miracle they cobbled something that works for the most part in that insane time frame.
The frick?
New Vegas is my favorite game, but i think 3 is amazing too. Why the frick are there so many negative reviews? It's an iconic and still enjoyable game
to this day, bethesda still fricking SEETHES about the new vegas reviews
Source?
There’s literally no evidence that Bethesda dislike NV. They were actually a huge part of why the game even got out the door to begin with, and the NV team said that they were a big help to them during development.
they never let them make another game
Doesn’t really prove anything. They were working on Skyrim during NV’s dev cycle, so it was released as an outsourced spin-off before they took the reigns again.
This whole “based Obisidian was cheated by the EVIL Todd Howard” just reeks of sensationalist rumours that don’t even line up with what the actual devs have said about the game. Chris Avellone himself said that the whole “84 Metacritic conspiracy” was a myth.
I agree theres no explicit evidence of it.
But it seems kind of obviously an embarrassment for Bethesda.
Buy property, release successful sequel.
Some of the individuals from the old property what to make their own game in the same engine with the same assets.
It is universally praised and accepted as the greatest iteration in the new franchise to the extent that people now retroactively dunk on your original successful sequel.
It is immediately clear to absolutely everybody the disparity in quality of writing and design, that this third-party team understands the property better, and did more with the same tools that your team did (even though yes admittedly they had the freedom to build off of your work).
Release another sequel, that everybody fricking hates.
Release another mmo sequel, that is an absolute disaster, and everybody hates.
> It is universally praised and accepted as the greatest iteration in the new franchise to the extent that people now retroactively dunk on your original successful sequel.
This is historical revisionism.
Lots of people dunked on NV when it first came out because of how unfinished it was and because it didn’t have the same “vibe” as 3 (which is something a lot of people praised about 3 when it came out). The general consensus was “its basically a DLC/ Fallout 3.5”.
NV only got praised to high heaven after a bunch of e-celebs made video essays about it, and people will believe anyone who sounds vaguely academic in their speech.
nah homie
everybody always frickin loved New Vegas
You obviously don’t remember what a lot of critics and gamers in general were saying back then.
No one’s saying that the game was disliked, but it was considered flawed until about 2013 when a flood of video essays came out claiming it was a flawless game.
nobody has ever frickin cared about what critics had to say
it was never considered "flawed"
because what would the "flaw" be except an inherent weakness of their engine which was duct-taped together by somebody else
Ganker has always liked and respected New Vegas more despite contrarians
>You obviously don’t remember what a lot of critics and gamers in general were saying back then.
You obviously act like a fricking moron. I was there when it came out and every reviewers praised NV and mercilessly compared it to F3 despite the loads of bugs making it almost unplayable
No we do zoomer.
Okie what was the terminology used to for boundaries that saturated NV?
>2013
>Meanwhile Hbomberguy's video on New Vegas only came out in December 2020
>NV only got praised to high heaven after a bunch of e-celebs
lmao the cope
fo3 gays are truly something else
Two words: Joshua Eric Sawyer
I'm surprised Tim Cain's the homosexual and not Sawyer tbh
He juat looks the type
wtf? get out of here..
Turning into a crazy cat lady wine aunt
Grim
I like them both
Fallout 3 initially launched with GFWL that made people want to kill themselves.
Fallout 3 was always a bad game, just like 4. It never stopped being bad either. Cope.
The fact that Fallout Tactics is unironically better than both says a lot and I've played and beat everything up to 76 (which I wouldn't even dare touch).
no way 4 is worse than tactics. now THIS is trolling
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1073664/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706601/
Fallout 3 won
>And people claim those aren't moviegames
LMAO
>fricking imdb scores
>replying to the hit-and-run bait
morons.
i don't really get why do fallout nv and fallout 3 players throw shit at each other
3trannies started it when NV started getting popular because you know, it's actually good unlike 3.
>old devs vs new devs
>west coast vs east coast
>completely different design philosophies
Why should we like each other? FO3gays have more in common with FO4gays.
contrarianism for clout when F3 "fans" attack NV
probably also a little grassroots marketing for bethesda's newer games, this new tv show, etc.
nobody with any braincells thinks Fallout 3 is better
but also New Vegas fans sometimes take this too much to heart, and suffocate on their own pretentious farts
mostly just angry contrarianism and trolling
It’s mostly an astroturfed conflict pushed by people who REALLY don’t like Bethesda, even though they played a big role in the development of both games.
>development of both games.
Lmao, bathesda could never make something like NV, literally all of their games after NV proves that.
No one will admit it but every Bethesda game is just updated Morrowind.
However, unlike Morrowind, 3, 4, Skyrim, and Oblivion are actually bad.
Obsidian literally couldn’t get the engine to work, so they needed Bethesda to show them how to get it to function. Plus, literally all of the core mechanics minus the crafting system were designed by Bethesda.
>couldn’t get the engine to work
damn. sounds like an awful piece of garbage. and youre telling me beth are still using it!? madness
>bethshitsda's engine is so fricking atrocious that only they know how to work it
I don't understand Beth haters. The Elder Scrolls is one of the comfier franchises. Yeah they've gotten worse but thats almost a given in this industry
The last TES game was 13 years ago moron.
Your point? Bethesda haters existed back then when it really wasn't warranted other than 'this isn't the exact game from my childhood and was dumbed down'
They are a old school developer whose best days are behind them, every other developer from that time is retired or washed up completely (LeFay, Cain) they just hate the corporate Zenimax branch of the company and Scapegoat Todd and say a bunch of revistionist shit
The people that 'hate' them were they're biggest fans, who should be thankful they grew up with good games
They only made 1 good game and that was Morrowind, 22 years ago. They're beyond washed up now and I hope Starfield woke them up. Not really.
>I don't understand Beth haters.
They've never made a game better than mediocre and have an enormously outsized effect on the gaming industry as a whole. They also invented microtransactions, resent the modding community, put less and less effort into their products, have fricking horrible consumer policies, invested heavily into live service and mobile game dogshit, and actively insult and denigrate anyone who suggests they should or even could do better.
Again, your hating the corporate side. Your just a low IQ idiot who can only parrot the opinion of everyone and youtube essay writing idiots, you are just a bitter moron
Poo in loo moron, the creative side and business side are fundamentally tied together. Their games are creatively lazy, bland, and boring because they know they will sell well regardless, because of moron third world trash like you, who are endlessly entertained by playing fricking oblivion over and over again, and worse every time.
>They've never made a game better than mediocre
And theres that revisionist bullshit, why do you hate a company you never liked? As I said real Beth haters were the biggest fans, plus og fallout fans but thats different
Claims like these are why I can't take all this Beth hate serious. your just a ignorant zoomer
People like Elder Scrolls but Todd has ignored Elder Scrolls. I'm primarily a morrowindgay but Skyrim is still a great game even with all the jank and all the shitposting the game is fun I even play it vanilla sometimes.
It's just people who never worked a day in their life thinking "Bonus" is the same as "Paycheck"
I heard that some pajeet started it
It’s the NVgays. They’re ridiculously hostile and you can see that in their responses to you, If someone even implies NV isn’t a masterpiece or that they prefer 3 they tantrum like a fricking toddler.
f3 is full of developers creating a sick game
fnv is full of artists taking a sick game and injecting it with a very large bucket of drugs i mean chems
naturally Gankeraultists screech at each other over which is better for gaming, the hyper homosexuals--artists, or the autogays--devs.
i actually don't care why i just wanted to share that i don't get it
1. Fallout 3 is extremely mid
2. GFWL bullshit for years
it's like you fricks conveniently forget how bad FO3 was at launch, both, performance AND story wise
because you couldn't unfrick the ending (since its literally tied to a DLC)
>song written and performed by Josh Sawyer, the lead designer and project director of New Vegas
SOUL. Todd Howard could never.
Anons who played 2 back then, what was the common consensus on the appearance more real-life guns? Adding to that, what was the common consensus on Tactics adding even more real-life guns?
Anon I don't think those people would be posting here. They'd have to be like 50 easily.
I played it a few years after it came out and the only thing I really remember was people used to praise it much more than the first one, now it's the reverse.
>people criticize the game when it first came out
>devs release patches and DLC
>people praise the game
yeah, because what's underneath the bugs is great
It's better, simple as.
NV is good. Fallout 3 is probably the worst Fallout Ive played, but I didn’t play 4 or 76 because everyone tells me its just as bad
76 isn't canon. That said, 4 is rated as the 2nd worst Fallout in existence behind 76. You shouldn't bother with it ever unless some killer mod comes out for it.
>unless some killer mod comes
Listen to you
>4 is rated as the 2nd worst Fallout
4 didn't live up to NV but it was still good and fun, by not playing it your just listening to morons that only deal in extreme absolutes, If it's not a masterpiece it's shit and not worth the time. Literal low IQ take
>homosexual unironically defending 4
Lmao here's that (You) you desperately craved like a prostitute to wiener (like your mom) for that braindead take.
the coolest gun in the game (lever action) is bugged without mods so it gets a 0/10 from me
I would honestly advise you to learn slavic to play Russian Fallout 2 total conversion mods than touch anything Fallout 4/76 related.
MrBtongue opened the can of worms and it was just downhill for Bethesda Fallouts.
Well.. at least people are in agreement that 4 and 76 are irredeemable piles of shit not worth playing, right?
New Vegas was always a Steam release.
Fallout 3 wasn't. Most people who played Fallout 3 at release played the non-Steam GFWL version of the game.
The rating just comes from NV generally being more well liked. That and Fallout 3 is literally broken on modern systems without some patching - unlike New Vegas which is also a very broken game without patches but atleast it doesn't die right away.
AND it's also a worse game, which is why even after all these years, the player count is still pretty much dead.
>Crap, you don't even want to live a few more days? Go. Get laid one more time or something - we're walking away. Three days.
>NCR is full of women soldiers
>Literally all of them are useless and do nothing but frick up and waste time and resources
What did Obsidian mean by this
>pull out grenade launcher as soon as they turn around
ah the old Fallout New Vegas vs Fallout 3 debate.
Is it possible to acquire NV mods without having to sign up to some homosexual website?
Americans and trannies. They spend all day on the internet eating goyslop and commenting on shit because they think they matter or something.
Fallout 3 actually doesn't work well or at all in some cases on modern operating systems. I think there would be a lot more reviews and they would be more positive if it wasn't such a hassle to get it running like New Vegas has been all this time.
I love both but New Vegas more
both mogged by Fallout 4
There releasing a collection in an atomic bomb case and their updating the games so they work.
/thread
What happens to NPCs that are enslaved?
I sometimes don't see em in the slave pen.
Also, I can't seem to get mods active in the fallout 4 gog version.
Anyone know what the problem is?
New Vegas is good and FO3 is bad
What's so hard to understand
>Caucasian
> male
>canon courier duster
>Cowboy build
yep, it's fallout time!
courier duster
Which one, though? There's at least three of them on the Nexus.
this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/73126
grab this unique revolver too. i used fnvedit to make it a .44 revolver for the swc ammo
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/73891
>that looks like shit, way too busy and complicated for someone that walks a desert wasteland
the outfit or the gun?
Something I've never understood about the Fallout 3/NV debate is how people claim that NV "added" or "brought back RPG elements" by removing percentages on skill checks. But dice rolls for skill checks come from pen and paper games. You can't get more "RPG elements" than dice rolls/RNG.
TTW made playing standalone FO3 obsolete.
the game mechanically runs a lot worse than new vegas. aiming down sights in 3 is a waste of time and most of the guns aren’t even that interesting. traversing the world is also tedious in 3; if I want to run straight to the tops casino at the start of new vegas, I can. I thoroughly enjoyed 3 when I played it on release, but playing new vegas after made me realize how much the formula could be improved with a handful of tweaks
Fallout 3 is better than New Vegas.
Skyrim is better than Morrowind.
You can cope, seethe and dilate all you want but these facts shall remain as what they are; the truth.
I never played Fallout 3 after it's initial release, I should get back to it someday.
I remember downloading the Fallout 1 demo on a 56k modem. I left it all night and played it a bit before going to school.
I could never finish New Vegas. Was just too shit. Same with fallout 3. Just not a good series. I blame the schizophrenic tone.
F1=F2=NV>F3>F4>76
F2=NV > F1 >>>>> F4 >> F3 = F76
imagine being such a contrarian and Bethesda wienerrider that you actually think 4 and 76 are worthwhile at any point in time. I've played 4 and kek that was definitely one of the worst Fallouts ever
for every high spot in 76 there’s about 10 low spots. I thought bugging out in the woods and shooting cryptids was cool, but frick the grabbler and that cash shop
why you would even play that trash? 4 was enough for me to consider fallout dead tbh
People recognize Bethesda is trash at writing Fallout, and people praise NV simply because there's nobody else to praise anymore.
I'm playing 3 right now.
The gunplay seems different. I'm missing a lot more I think, and I'm kinda forced to use more resources which I don't really mind.
In NV I just sniped everyone from miles away which was comfy.
I feel like 3 is almost harder because of this?
the gunplay is not different it's just shittier. New Vegas really fixed ADS. fallout 3 was the first 3D fallout so I think they semi kind of wanted to keep VATs as a thing like the originals instead of turning the game into a full fledged FPS. I also think it might be lazy bugthesda. The gunplay between the games is just very different. Melee has always been the best way to play in every game. Combat was more fun in the originals when the enemies could miss and blow their friend's head off.
yes, 3 is way harder than new vegas.
>In NV I just sniped everyone from miles away which was comfy.
no, it was gay. game has no challenge.
what weirded me out going back to 3 was just how little quests, settlements and npcs there are in the game
they're all hiding in vaults and caves and shit. it's weird how much stuff I found that blew my mind after replaying the game again. things like the hidden chinese bunkers. oasis. also a lot of stuff in the swamp dlc I didn't see cause I rushed through it.
fallout 3 is absolutely terrible at leading you to intererest content, you literally have to get the explorer perk and guess the interesting locations based on the names
>needs his handheld
kek get filtered, homosexual. not to mention there are literally npcs across the map that talk about places they came from and enemies in general directions. just like in all the older games talking to npcs will reveal locations. do you need a quest hud too?
>high level areas right next to low level ones
>identical green rock textures conceal every location
>almost zero interesting locations in game you can see from a distance like novac, new vegas, helios one, etc
>>lies about npcs directing you to said content when they fricking don't at all and shit like paradise is only told to you from a rare random drop
cope
I thought you were talking about Fallout 3.
>almost zero interesting locations in game you can see from a distance like novac, new vegas, helios one, etc
you literally see megaton tenpenny tower and paradise falls as soon as you exit the vault and explore just a little
>>>lies about npcs directing you to said content when they fricking don't at all and shit like paradise is only told to you from a rare random drop
the npcs in big town literally tell you about the mutants that attacked them then tell you which direction they came from which you can then go to the mutant area. they also tell you about lamp light. if you aren't moronic npcs will lead you to locations.
>needs for the game to tell him where to go
kek, what a homosexual. no wonder why you like new vegas. 3 is for explorers.
it's almost like you were children when you played it the first time and that's why you rate it so highly
Fallout 3 isn't in my top 10 favorite games. It's just not complete garbage especially compared to the slop that comes out now. Fun game that lets me be a psycopath.
Trannies are higher in numbers
FO3 was amazing when it came out only because fallout was finally getting a sequel(this was before every thing ever being made being soft rebooted for money). People who played and listen to the games story was pretty much let down over how it got worse as the game went on.
FONV came out and just had a smash story. The problem with this game is that it only reenforced the "heeheehaahaa" nature FO was shifting and it is boringly linear. It was a cult hit right away to the right people.
Then 2016 rolls around and some reason trannies claim FONV. Now people meme that FO3 was the real good one because the trannies have claimed basically every game in the past 30 years as theirs.
fallout 3 has been the target of an online crusade by salty nerds who are mad that todd "stole" their game. it started before fallout 3 ever released but it didn't really take hold until many years after 3 released because most normal people have moved on and they can not. they are pathetic and relentless. that's all there is to it.
case in point:
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todd made a better fallout than the original developers and trannies got salty. that's it. and they are still seething after all these years.
nah Fallout 3 just sucks lmao
>LE TRANNIES
>LE CONSPIRACY CAMPAIGN
mental illness
Todd made a better fallout than himself.
76 after what, 5 years of updates, blows 4 out of the water.
>Actual dialogue
>Skill checks
>4's gunplay
>No moronic personal story - you are just the guy doing the task
>Fun quests
>fun characters
>Massive arsenal with both new and classic fallout weapons
>Frickable assaultron next big update
The only thing that holds it back is that it's fricking 76 and 4s gunplay gets dragged down by latency, but it actually feels like a proper RPG now.
If the game actuslly shipped that way i bet the entire launch shitshow would have been averted.
New Vegas is better than 3
FO3 needs a remaster. It doesn't run well on modern windows.
works on my linux machine
Any good slavery mods for both?
I'm tired of NPC's just disappearing. I wanna see muh collection.
Any other games that have this as well?
I heard about how Fallout 3 was designed under the assumption that the player would go through it at a low level and with low-tier gear. How true is this?
I remember James apologizing for making you go through a bunch of super mutants in the Memorial as if it was a difficult assault, but I had a minigun and enough ammo at that point.
>I heard about how Fallout 3 was designed under the assumption that the player would go through it at a low level and with low-tier gear. How true is this?
As soon as you get to DC if you have shit gear and weapons you get curb stomped. Same thing with any area that has deathclaws.
I fricked up and forgot to say Fallout 3's main questline. That line of dialogue about going through the muties in the Memorial stuck out.
Been years since I've played 3, so I might get things wrong.
hahahahaha
I enjoyed Mothership Zeta.