Can't Enter Because The City Is Blackout.

making it less moronic means you fixed some of the moronation. Stop pretending it's all the same just because you're coping about Shitnoh being worse.

Did you know that good pokemon don't learn HMs too?

>Nothing in any pokemon game requires this
You're right. I can just stop playing the bad game and play a good one instead.

But Pokémongs hate Digimon?

A franchise a dozen times better than modern Pokémon.

>Nothing in any pokemon game requires this
You're right. I can just stop playing the bad game and play a good one instead.

Another disingenuous moron, and on /vp/ no less. Why am I not surprised?

Strength is a solid base power Normal-type move that gets STAB. Rock Climb is even stronger than strength, and in addition to STAB, it has a slight chance of confusing the enemy if it hits. Cut is less powerful than Strength, but you hardly ever need it after you get it. Waterfall and Surf are amazing moves. Rock Smash is a coin toss that has a 50/50 chance of lowering the opponent’s defenses, making up for its relatively low base power. Put it on a Pokémon with a high attack stat, especially a fighting type, and profit. Whirlpool does chip damage and traps Pokémon, which, combined with its low base power, makes it great for engaging roamers. Flash lowers accuracy, the benefits of which should be self-explanatory to anyone that actually remembers playing a Pokémon game when they were a kid.

Every HM in the game has a practical use and some of them (Surf, Waterfall) are really fricking good. Put Waterfall on your Red Gyarados and you’ll tear through the latter half of HGSS. People don’t like HMs because they’re generic and that can make them come off as flavorless, but they’re not burdensome. Maybe the idea of a move you can’t get rid of without a special NPC makes them come off as burdensome or something that you don’t want, but the only reason they’re “locked” into your move set without the Move Deleter is so that you don’t overwrite a traveling HM while you’re in a place you can only access or leave with that HM and end up soft locking yourself.

At a glance, these eight+ generic attacks narrow the uniquity, the novelty of a Pokémon’s move sets, but this is an illusion. In truth, Hidden Machines broaden the player’s repertoire of fighting strategies, opening new doors with which to approach battles with. At the same time, they embolden the aspect of the game that suggests players are traveling alongside their select team of creatures. Hidden Machines are excellent.

You don't need to leave anything in your party, moron. That's the point. Most HMs only enhance the move sets of the Pokemon they're on. And even if they didn't, you have a PC with which you can switch party members around. That's what it's there for.

Didn't know you needed Fly to beat Pokemon!

That post did make me think it'd be cool if Fly was a mandatory HM in like a Rom Hack or something because you needed to go to a floating castle/city/town/continent/whatever.

because it's pointlessly tedious.

Didn't know you needed Fly to beat Pokemon!

>the fact that I need to leave things in my party with mandatory moves just to navigate is moronic.
>fast travel without having a pokemon with fly on my team? how?
>fly is mandatory
Of all the HMs you pick one that has literally never been required. moronic, ESL, and underage. Stay in your favela.

>j-just walk everywhere bro!
Ah, so the game is still shit, got it.

>Or bike, or run, or use the natural shortcuts, or plan your routes better
or play a better game

How is it tedious?

You should have enough party space to always have the Fly pokemon. /vp/ says you should only play pokemon games with one pokemon.

But since Gamefreak intended for pokemon games to only be played with an overleveled starter, the 5 other party slots were obviously intended for HM users. It's well designed.

Did you forget that good pokemon can't learn fly?

>Then you'll be called bad for needing to minmax ingame teams and nothing will change.

Protect is not that common in game and the NPC trainers still end up misusing it often enough when they do have it. Fly is more than twice as strong as peck, peck will never do more damage over 2, 10, or 1,000,000 turns. Play the games.

>dps in a turn based rpg
Fly is fricking strong as shit. You're basically immune to damage for one whole turn.

>it's bad when [fictional scenario that will never happen in the campaign]!!!
Every fricking time.

Status Ailments have never been an issue in the campaign because I have access to Full Heals or Regional Treats.
GF will never program the AI to smartly use Protect or equivalents because that might make the game too hard for Little Kenji, who, if he experiences resistance and loses, will piss and shit and cry and whine and no longer like Pokemon, losing the franchise a vital media consumer.

I didn't have to diddle kids to learn that, I just had to figure out how to work a Nintendo DS.

>Maybe the idea of a move you can’t get rid of without a special NPC makes them come off as burdensome or something that you don’t want
my entire hang-up with them is this, when combined with the fact that said NPC is usually inaccessible until the 50% mark or later in every single game where HMs exist.
there is no excuse for introducing non-overwritable moves to the gameplay loop without the mechanic to delete them also being present at the exact same time.
just pick any one of the obligatory early town NPCs with pithy dialog about how you can open your bag with the start button or some other useless babying trite and make them the deleter. it's not like there's no room for them.
this is one of the few things swsh actually did right. though, of course, only after it's two generations too late for HMs. figures.

>HMs are gone
Wow, it fixes everything.

>putting shitmoves on goodmons to cut a little tree or climb rocks every time you go through a route
sounds moronic