>can't obtain every pokemon in one game
>forced exp share
>gimping movepools by either outright cutting moves like Pursuit and Signal Beam or forcing transfer mons to forget their current moves
>really bad graphics that don't make up for cut content
>friendship and affection merged into one mechanic
>online features are locked behind a payw
and depending on what game it is
>no battle facilities
>no option to turn off battle animations
>no set mode
>no abilities
>no held items
>toby fox and/or ed sheeran ruining the soundtrack with their shitty music
the Switch era is unarguably the worst era of Pokemon. how is it that there are people who still insist that there are games worse than every single game in pic related? only gen 1 and to a lesser extent gen 2 come close to being this barebones but those are the two oldest gens in the series so the only reason they are missing some features is because they either weren't thought of yet or because of the limitations of technology at the time
poketurds would eat literal shit if it had the gamefreak logo on it
At least for me, the thing that bothers me is them removing the option to disable the xp share in the newer games. I just like being able to make choices
ngl friend, the most difficult of those games are BW and BW2... and i strongly suspect that brainlet is a self protrait
>the most difficult of those games are BW and BW2
bait
> troonycord gets filtered by games made for literal preschoolers
heres a (You), go buy yourself a brain.
>Obvious bort
>discord PTSD
Black person of course those games would be the most difficult you've never played any other Pokemon game lmao
>usm
>challenging in any capacity
The only reason people call it challenging is because of ultra Necrozma and that wasn't hard because it was designed to be, it was "hard" because it was roughly 10 levels above where the game wanted you to be. I mean, you fight fused Necrozma at level 50 before ultra which is 60 so it catches you off guard at first but then you paste his ass when you adjust to it.
As much as I hate ultra changes, play the game before posting your dumpster shit oppinion
Tho Totem battles are relatively challenging(for you not for an expert like me)
>BIG SHITMON SPARKLES
Neurological activity of a fish
>Tho Totem battles are relatively challenging(for you not for an expert like me)
So what you're saying is to find it hard you have to be an expert and supposed casuals find it easy.
You ESLs are fricking idiots.
>USUM
>Challenging
>OH NO THE SHITMON IS HUGE AND HAS SPARKLES OVER IT!
The Pokemon fanbase has the neurological activity and attention span of a fricking fish
and yet it's still more challenging than the DS games you perpetually wiener suck
stay mad
Oh no it's delusional.
You can beat USUM with a party of 4, and ScaVio? Lmao, Kieran is the only challenging part and he plays like a great ball ranked moron.
>Scat Toilet
>Decently challenging parts.
LMAO
hi yawngay
When the frick does Legends arceus have a hard fight? Fricking Scarlet and Violet? What the hell?
Volo
Erin
Professor fight
Blueberry fights
Volo is the only one that isn't free, but it will at most take you a second attempt once you know what bullshit he has
this thread has been made a hundred times, your opinion isn't unique or worth listening to. whining on Ganker isn't going to make TPC change their mind or do anything different, so either play the games or don't.
i don't care homosexual
it is fun to talk shit about things that i hate
>can't obtain every pokemon in one game
All 493 pokemon are obtainable in BDSP. More than their base games and 3rd version.
>forced exp share
This doesn't make a difference.
>gimping movepools by either outright cutting moves like Pursuit and Signal Beam or forcing transfer mons to forget their current moves
Doesn't do this.
>really bad graphics that don't make up for cut content
Best looking gen 8 game.
>friendship and affection merged into one mechanic
Doesn't make a difference.
>online features are locked behind a paywall
Doesn't do this
and depending on what game it is
>no battle facilities
Battle Tower
>no option to turn off battle animations
Autism
>no set mode
>no abilities
>no held items
BDSP has them
I FRICKING KNEEL
>Best looking gen 8 game.
stopped reading, gain taste
BDSP are great games. I love going through an older region without the hassle of HMs, Slow HP bars, and limited EXP share making it more grindy to raise multiple pokemon. The challenge of the Elite 4 rematches and Battle Tower was also great.
But honestly, they're still the worst Pokemon games on the Switch. That's just a testament to how strong the line-up is for Gen 8 and 9. Just banger after banger.
I found BDSP way better than SwSh, SV and LGPE. I'd only rank PLA above it
>>can't obtain every pokemon in one game
>All 493 pokemon are obtainable in BDSP. More than their base games and 3rd version.
Where can I get gen 5-8 Pokemon in BDSP?
exp share
>This doesn't make a difference.
Maybe if it was one of the games made with the Exp. Share in mind, but shoehorning it into a port of DP just makes an already easy game even more piss easy
movepools by either outright cutting moves like Pursuit and Signal Beam or forcing transfer mons to forget their current moves
>Doesn't do this.
How can I teach my Lopunny Return in BDSP?
bad graphics that don't make up for cut content
>Best looking gen 8 game.
SWSH and even LGPE look far better than BDSP's muddy color palette and chibi shit.
and affection merged into one mechanic
>Doesn't make a difference.
See Exp. Share point.
If you're gonna shill for a Switch-era Pokemon game at least pick one that isn't complete shit on every single aspect
>getting this butthurt over pursuit, signal beam, and return
meds
>BDSP doesn't cut moves
>actually yes it does
>why are you this butthurt?
Wanting Return on a physical normal type that evolves with friendship sounds reasonable.
Signal beam was also a kickass move for a lot of electric types too.
And that's why Signal Beam got cut. GameFreak didn't like the idea of multiple non-bugs having Special Move Bug Coverage, compared to Bug Buzz which is far more limited in distribution to only really being a move you'll find on bugs.
>Nooooo why can't I catch my ugly Kalosmons that nobody likes 🙁
I love the only "arguments" you pro dexit gays have is "It makes the people I don't like BTFO" and "Where can I get newer gen mons in older games that aren't meant to update?"
It's almost as if you're only pro dexit for the sake of being a contrarian dipshit and you don't even believe your own bullshit.
Oh and I dare you to complain about nugen shit in remakes that are quite literally designed to change and modernize the old games.
Quality > quantity.
>Quality over quantity
>SWSHIT
Hilarious.
>All 493 pokemon are obtainable in BDSP.
And yet you forget that remakes or any current gen game is meant to include all Pokemon up to the current gen in order for it to include "all Pokemon". I can't tell if you're baiting or if you're this moronic.
>This doesn't make a difference.
It kind of does, and it's a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because less grinding. It's a curse because you can't fricking turn it off for a more challenging experience so you don't overlevel.
>Doesn't do this.
It absolutely fricking does, also BDSP defeats the purpose of the remake by making it """faithful"""
>Battle Tower
You mean the shitty bare minimum of battle facilities when it cut the battle frontier?
>Autism
Maybe I want the option to turn off animations to play the game faster
>BDSP has them
Again, you mean like the bare minimum for a game as early as gen 4?
Why the frick is this game defendable again?
>remakes or any current gen game is meant to include all Pokemon up to the current gen
Says who? I'd rather a game have good looking classic designs than the slop from gens 6, 8 and 9.
>It's a curse because you can't fricking turn it off for a more challenging experience so you don't overlevel
Unless you're going out of your way to grind you're never overleveled for important fights.
>It absolutely fricking does, also BDSP defeats the purpose of the remake by making it """faithful""
No it doesn't. BDSP is a successful remake because it's better than it's base game, includes most of the Platinum stuff and then includes new things without going overboard.
>the shitty bare minimum of battle facilities when it cut the battle frontier?
It's not bare minimum when the Battle Tower was massively expanded and improved. Copy pasting the Platinum battle frontier and keeping it the same would've been lazy.
>he doesn’t know that movepools were gutted
>he doesn’t know that the Tower has the worst balanced singles in the series
>he doesn’t know that you can skip animations
Ask me how I know that you don’t play battle facilities. Bonus complaint: modern items were also left out of BDSP, leaving you with fewer team building options. Why include things like Hidden Abilities, Fairy typing, and fricking affection if you’re going to remove items, move, and mon? The answer is that the devs are lazy hacks. It was all arbitrary.
>he doesn’t know that the Tower has the worst balanced singles in the series
Anon what the frick does this mean this is blatant padding because you wanted 3 things
That issue is related to the other issues (because you are given fewer options for team building due to removed content), but it’s a separate issue. The balance for 3v3 singles is delicate because of its volatility. BDSP blows it by turning the masters singles into an incredibly autistic minmaxing simulator, where only the best cheese or stats is going to be consistent enough to streak. Comparatively, the Battle Tree struck a better balance, allowing for the use of niche favorites for ribbon streaks.
I got by with
>Feraligatr
>Breloom
>Metagross
in both the Battle Maison and Battle Tree, but that team isn’t even worth thinking about running in BDSP.
>someone finally said it
Thank you. I can appreciate a challenge but when the teams are designed to completely destroy you or if they directly counter you due to their archtype and strategy, you can only really minmax as opposed to what Battle Facilities were like before, which is teambuilding a balanced team while expecting some common threats and building around checking those.
It cannot be overstated how often you’re at the mercy of one of a handful of 10-50% rolls. You can have a beast of a team, but with a little bad luck or an opponent who counters you, it’s over. This kind of thing works in pvp, especially in a best-of-3 doubles match. But to leave the player with the impression of “nothing you could have done lol” in a single player, 3v3 singles best-of-1 game? It’s frustrating and comes up way too often in BDSP. You can get meta with it by running moves like substitute as a counter to OHKO, but you still risk the OHKO on swap (and they’ll land it).
It’s more trouble than it’s worth.
The battle facilities have ALWAYS been like this dude. That's why the vast majority of people really don't give a shit that they are gone.
They aren’t in Gens 6, 7, and 8 (granted that one is too easy). That stigma hadn’t held true for years before BDSP.
Bro the entire concept is built on RNG. You fight infinite shitmons until the game decides you lose to something like a bright powder, 90% miss, or quick claw OHKO move. The individual battles (especially in singles) don't have some interesting decision making going on, you're just killing the opponents before they can do some stupid bullshit.
>bro the basic gameplay of pokemon is stupid
>no, the number of rolls does not affect RNG frickery
This is what you sound like. The point I’m making is that BDSP fricks you over more often than other modern facilities through RNG. It does this on top of throwing generally strong sets at you. It’s harder than DPP’s tower, one of the notorious old-school RNG frickfests.
You cannot be serious saying stupid like this as if you don’t understand how BDSP’s Tower can be seen as a step down from other modern facilities.
>The point I’m making is that BDSP fricks you over more often than other modern facilities through RNG
Ok I disagree. Because no matter what in every facility in every gen you are only ever going to lose to RNG in singles. The game doesn't allow you to make informed decisions (locked lead and no team preview) and enemies use blatantly bad strategies that can lux hax you like 1% of the time. BDSP having slightly stronger sets doesn't make it "more RNG" just because the AI can put up more of a fight.
>Ok I disagree
You can be wrong if you want to be.
>you are only ever going to lose to RNG in singles
In some shape or form, yes. The frequency is the problem.
>slightly stronger sets doesn't make it "more RNG"
It makes it a double whammy. Doesn’t help that the player has a gutted tool kit, further reducing viable team building options.
None of this is hard to understand. It feels like you’re arguing for the sake of it when your points are all trying to boil this down to “but it’s *kinda* like that in every game” when that’s only true in a vacuum, ignoring the full scope of the issue. I’m going to bed now, fren.
I don't think pulling the singles roulette slot machine magically becomes more interesting because I lose 1% of the time instead of 2% of the time.
Oh ok.
So by "unbalanced" you mean "vaguely hard"
>he didn’t play it
Got it. Reading you loud and clear. Masters singles in BDSP is only fun if you approach towers in a very specific way. It’s sad when even SWSH’s tower can be more fun if you take advantage of how easy it is by throwing pure shitmon at it with no team comp and finding success.
I did play it but singles is just fricking gay in general.
>singles is just fricking gay in general
It can be fun, but in general, it is harder to balance. It’s overtuned in BDSP (made even worse by a gutted arsenal at your disposal). Like I said before, the only way you don’t see this as an objective downgrade to the Maison and Tree is if you already played the minmax simulator with the best of the best tools instead of mon / strats that you enjoy despite being suboptimal.
>toby fox ruining the soundtrack
Black person are you deaf
While Toby Fox goes hard, let's not forget how he took a soundtrack about two 13 year olds having a baby and made it the battle tower theme in SWSHIT.
That will never not be hilarious to me.
the area zero theme and the SV raid themes sound like shit
>can obtain mostly all Pokémon that are allowed in each pair of games mostly among the two games
>the ones that can't give intrinsic value to trading which was sorely needed on the GTS
>the GTS is just a phone app so you can access it literally anywhere without having to bring your Switch around and trade on the fly
>you can even trade locally with people if you meet them at a convention, game store, college, etc
>the games all have amazing QoL that makes injecting not a massive advantage and actually playing the games not a massive timesink
>the online support and being able to battle people around the world has never been better and you don't even need to pay for it if you find people that can add you to a family plan for free
>want to host a tournament in person for fun anyways? Sword and Shield could do this
>more incentives for catching due to marks, ribbons also got buffed and have an actual purpose due to Titles
>there might be some less than great songs but everyone can pick out a personal favorite from the Switch games
>the new Pokémon are great additions
>old Pokémon get buffs constantly to make some not maintain the battle viability of a stale tuna sandwich
I don't know dude, if you told me I could train a full team in an afternoon without breeding and then participate in a weekend long competition or a seasonal ladder and get a ribbon for getting the top rank when I was a kid I would have been far more optimistic for the future.
also pic related
>they brought back gambling and made it spicier
>Own region pokemon are fricking terrible and need to rely on others regions pokemon.
>Awful as frick gameplay and hardly any content.
>No Battle Tower
Kys shill
I genuinely don't get why people shit on SV difficulty in comparison to older games. Like compare Sada and Turo's teams to any other endgame boss in pokemon and Sada and Turo always come out on top. Compare the BB league to any other in game team in the series and they come out on top. SV gives you tools to make those fights easy through max leveling and it being easy and convenient to max out pokemon, but that doesn't detract from the objective superiority of the in game battles
The fact that people result to using said tools to level effectively means that they're hard, you can't just walk in unprepared without a plan. And even so, with some of those battles if you walk in to them blind and get a disadvantage off the start, you can lose your level 100s.
Look up the Sword/Shield Battle Tower theme, people say he copypasta'd it from some MPreg shitpost song he did. He was much more involved with SV then he was with Sword/Shield, as during that time he was doing the soundtrack for Little Town Hero.
>>Toby fox ruining the soundtrack
What did he even make? All I remember is that he probably made the Area Zero theme which is probably one of the best in the franchise
>can't obtain every pokemon in one game
I've come to the conclusion with Home that you actually totally can with PLA, people are desperate as frick on the GTS for Hisuian-mons. I've completed Sword/Shield's dex without ever playing it.
>Home
being forced to use a paywall phone app is NOT AT ALL the same thing as having them in the game itself. gamefreak is just fricking lazy and anti consumer
HOME is free.
>Gotta buy things
How did you even make it this far?
I will never understand the hate for LGPE, SwSh and BDSP. They're good Pokemon games.
Legends doesn't feel like a Pokemon game and SV is just godawful in general.
PLA is a fun game minus abundance of slop cutscenes with no skip feature.
SV has the best methods to shiny hunt.
The osts are pretty good.
Thats where my praise for switch era ends. What a pile of slop and waste of everyones time.
SV has dogshit music.
Here is what Pokemon as a game series needs to do. Have 3 mainline releases per generation.
>Standard new game version 1 and 2
New region, new mons, new gimmicks. Gyms E4. Limited Dex. Have a good fully fleshed out story. This is where world building should be done. Basically merge PLA with the mainline games.
>Remakes
Just don't do lazy ass BDSP style remakes. Use the generation gimmick and full 3D. Same as above besides that.
>Stadium Reboot
"EVERYONE IS HERE!", the full dex is in the game. Every single gimmick is back. Megas to Tera. Triple Battles are back. Everything has high quality animations and models. The story and cut scenes for single players are limited to "you are in a world tournament". They can Reuse npcs from the nearly 30 years of games. All of the moves from all the games are back. All the various items are easily unlockable/obtainable. Battle Facilities are here. Have it be the first game released of each generation and give it updates as new games come out.This is where the focus of Competitive battling is.