You should play legacy but watch the title screen from the original first
There is a stage in the game which has such extreme frustration in the original
THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL /vr/ RESIDENTS
AN ECELEB MADE A VIDEO SAYING C64 IS ACTUALLY... LE GOOD
YOU WILL GET A CONTRARIAN BRIGADE SPAM THIS BOARD.
YOU WILL GET PEOPLE INQUIRING ABOUT HOW TO PLAY THE GAME
YOU WILL GET PEOPLE PLAYING ON EASY MODE AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROGRESS PAST THE ELEVATOR
/vr/ has been saying CV64 is not as bad as people say for years now, though.
Reminder that the game got GOOD reviews upon release and it was only with the cynic "that game you like SUCKS" mentality of the 2000s that it started getting hate.
It's a cool 5th gen 3D adventure action game and has a lot of great, memorable moments, such as fighting actual vampires that aren't Dracula, being chased by chainsaw frankie in a maze and having skeletons riding fricking motorcycles inside drac's castle.
Kino.
Okay, so now any time somebody posts something positive about CV64, it just must be because they watched an ecelebs video (like you did). So what happens when someone else makes a popular video on why AKSHUALLY CV64 IS LE BAD? Will the only option for good folk like us be complete neutrality?
I always liked the game regardless of it being considered good or not, i dont need some random homosexual validating my opinion to enjoy something i like
Never even heard of this e-celeb, Black person. I played it back in 2017 and loved in spite of the fact that i'm not really fond of N64 games in general.
the term, "objectively" doesn't have to mean in the sense of a higher standard, or the true standard. Objectively can simply mean whether or not goals, or "objectives", were met.
I think CV64 is a fun game
prefer legacy but I tried watching that pretentious twat and turned it off after 10 minutes
whatever he likes about the game is not why I like it
>God Hand got dogshit reviews therefore it shit?
Have you actually checked the reviews overall, or are you fixated on the single review that is always meme'd?
Everyone here is saying it was ecelebs, but I've always been under the impression that ecelebs only shat on the N64vanias because it was already the popular thing to do because of overzealous IGA/SoTNgays. Not that it matters, the damage was done and they contributed to it.
im playing the original on normal so its far its pretty good. way over hated. don't listen to the autistic flame war starting drones. if you're thinking about playing it just try it out for yourself and DON'T play the original on easy.
My recommendation is Legacy of Darkness first (as Cornell / prequel story), then the original (as Schneider / Carrie); Legacy of Darkness is often considered a director's cut but the level layouts have been redesigned and restructured so much that it doesn't replace the original and you will get more variety playing both.
I really only find the first level to be significant to be worth playing through. The rest of the levels might have minor tweaks, but I think they're pretty comparable.
Some of the changes/new stages in Cornell's campaign screw up with the pacing and are not that fun, plus the stupid padding added to areas such as Castle Wall and the Villa. LoD with the CV64 characters is good fun though, since its QoL improvements are very good, some stages have been improved (Forest of Silence, Clock Tower), and none of the awful changes in Cornell's scenario apply in Reinhardt's and Carrie's campaigns.
It's funny how CV64 starts slow but then picks up, while LoD starts fast but slows down. Cornell mode just shits the bed when you get to the castle as it adds dumb shit like key hunting, waiting around and Sun/Moon card spam usage that wasn't there in the original. But LoD is actually quite cool in the non-Cornell modes, since it's mostly the same as what CV64 had but just faster and with more polish/QoL upgrades.
Castlevania 64 is the incomplete version of Legacy of Darkness; Konami released it because Nintendo wanted a Castlevania game for the N64 asap.
so should i just stop my C64 playthrough and just start LoD? im at the part where i have to bring the bombs to the arena wall and i can already tell its going to be awful.
only if you started on easy, since you'll have to do it again anyways. If not, I wouldn't worry about it. There are some minor difficulty tweaks here and there, as well as some gameplay refinements, but nothing to warrant essentially starting all over. As for the nitro + mandragora part, it's essentially the same on both versions. The only thing is that you don't have to do it in Legacy of Darkness as Cornell (or Henry, but his campaign is really short), as he doesn't go to that level.
Thinking of playing this, but should I play Legacy of Darkness or the original version?
Personally, I like CV64's more minimalist level design and stuff like vampire maidens crawling on all fours, but on the other hand, every character in Legacy including Reinhardt and Carrie arguably handle better, running, attacking, and sliding faster than before. Not only that, but I think some things are tweaked for better balance when fighting bosses like jumping in a straight line no longer being too fast for them to ever hit you, so now you have to put more thought into things. Also, while both games have a hard mode and I can think of at least one occasion where 64 adds an enemy or two while making enemies in general more resilient, I think LoD does it better, doing away with the extra defense but adding even more enemies in more places and I think changing them up a little to make them more dangerous? I know bone pillars are bigger c**ts than usual.
All that said, I don't you could go wrong with either, and I would think that the original version is way cheaper if you're going physical (don't forget a memory pak, though), but if you haven't already played either version or you're in the middle of 64 and not liking some things about the player character handling, I'd say go for Legacy.
>should I play Legacy of Darkness or the original version
The original version feels like a beta while LoD is the average clumsy 3D action platformer of its time. Graphics and level design have been revamped for LoD, also new levels and new characters.
Alright, I just recently went through all four of the campaigns on Legacy of Darkness as well as both campaigns on the original, so I think i'm at liberty to speak definitively about the differences between each game and the differences between the stages in each game.
First of all, don't sleep on Cornell's campaign, play it. It has the most differences. Second, Henry's campaign can be beaten in less than 30 minutes if you know what you're doing. It'd pretty much a mix of the other three's but the puzzles are already solved. There's one kid per level, and they shouldn't be too hard to find, but there's no shame in using a guide with how the coffin levels work and what time you have to go in to go to which level.
The gameplay itself is tweaked between the versions, even for the characters it shares. Most people agree that Legacy of Darkness has a bit better gameplay balances, physics tweaks, difficulty, etc.
Alright, now I'll cover the differences between the stages in each version.
Foggy Lake: New to LoD. Everyone has it except Henry.
Forest of Silence: I think this level gives a much better first impression for C64, as it starts off completely quiet and the first thing you see are trees ignited by lightning. LoD does this too, but not till later in the stage and it doesn't really hit the same. C64 tends to be more open ended and a bit more backtracking heavy, while LoD tends to streamline where you're going a bit more. C64 also has these crypts with fixed camera angles which are kinda neat, and LoD just has buildings with the roof blown off. LoD also removed the skeletons on motorcycles for some reason, they're just later in the game now.
Castle Wall: This level has some minor difficulty tweaks. I think LoD made it slightly easier, but the boss is significantly easier due to the camera actually working in LoD. Overall, an improvement in LoD, in my opinion.
Villa: No major differences.
Outer Wall: New stage, exclusive to Cornell (and Henry).
Underground Tunnel: No major differences, except a Spider Queen boss was added at the end.
Underground Waterway: No major differences, except Medusa (boss) was added at the end.
Art Tower: New level, exclusive to Cornell.
Castle Center: The only major change I could find is that the platforms in the infamous room where you have to carry the nitro, no longer fall.
Tower of Ruins: New level, exclusive to Cornell.
Tower of Science: This level starts off similarly, but the climb is longer in LoD. After the elevator part, they're almost two different stages. C64 tends to prefer wide open areas, while LoD has more hallway sections and turrets. LoD does add a new boss though. It's some sort of crystal that has turrets that shoot at you.
Duel Tower: Similar stages, in that you're caged to sections and forced to fight mini bosses, but the platforming sections are pretty different.
Tower of Execution: These stages are fairly different from each other. The original can be beaten in just a couple minutes while LoD is easily at least 3 times as long.
Tower of Sorcery: At first glance, I thought these levels were the same, but they're pretty different. I'd say the LoD version is at least twice as long. C64 has these crystal monster enemies that spit at you, while LoD has floating crystals that try to zap you and some that shoot crystals at you.
Room of Clocks: No Major Differences.
Clock Tower: These stages start off identically, but after the first couple rooms, they end differently. They both involve climbing rotating towers, but C64 seems to be shorter, but harder. LoD is much longer and has an extra room or two and tends to be more puzzle oriented. And you get to move the clock hands to access the final stage, how neat.
Castle Keep: No major differences, but I think they added a gap during the escape sequence to the elevator so you have to jump to it instead of falling off.
Anyways, there's all sorts of things I didn't even get into, like how the violin is a more iconic intro to the game, and how LoD even shows the violin for the game over screen, even though it's nowhere else to be seen. Ultimately, I still think Legacy of Darkness is the better game. Cornell's campaign alone makes it worth it, and the revisions mostly add and improve upon the game.
Having said all that, I think the original has its place, and for anyone that wants to maximize on the differences and/or experience both versions. I'd recommend playing Reinhardt and/or Carrie's campaign(s) on C64 first, and then doing Cornell's on Legacy of Darkness. You can skip Henry's if you don't plan on playing as Reinhardt or Carrie in LoD.
Castlevania 64 isn’t outright “shit” but it’s inexcusably janky for a 1999 release from a major publisher like Konami. It looks and plays like an N64 title from 1997.
CV64 isn't the worst game ever made but it's funny seeing N64 kids try and force it because they're so starved for games. Also, as a Castlevania entry it's utterly abysmal. Imagine if your last Castlevania game was Rondo of Blood or something and you ended up waiting six years for this piece of shit (it came out in 1999 and still somehow looks terrible)
No.
You should play legacy but watch the title screen from the original first
There is a stage in the game which has such extreme frustration in the original
THIS IS A WARNING TO ALL /vr/ RESIDENTS
AN ECELEB MADE A VIDEO SAYING C64 IS ACTUALLY... LE GOOD
YOU WILL GET A CONTRARIAN BRIGADE SPAM THIS BOARD.
YOU WILL GET PEOPLE INQUIRING ABOUT HOW TO PLAY THE GAME
YOU WILL GET PEOPLE PLAYING ON EASY MODE AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROGRESS PAST THE ELEVATOR
Based, call out and shame this shit everywhere you see it
autism
/vr/ has been saying CV64 is not as bad as people say for years now, though.
Reminder that the game got GOOD reviews upon release and it was only with the cynic "that game you like SUCKS" mentality of the 2000s that it started getting hate.
It's a cool 5th gen 3D adventure action game and has a lot of great, memorable moments, such as fighting actual vampires that aren't Dracula, being chased by chainsaw frankie in a maze and having skeletons riding fricking motorcycles inside drac's castle.
Kino.
>Reminder that the game got GOOD reviews upon release
NO IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE SHIT, YOU CAN'T REWRITE HISTORY LIKE TH-
Let's play 'spot the moronic error'.
I've legitimately liked this game for years, atmosphere being a key part of that. I've never heard of this "eceleb" but thanks for the video, I guess.
I wouldn't have even known if you didn't post this
Okay, so now any time somebody posts something positive about CV64, it just must be because they watched an ecelebs video (like you did). So what happens when someone else makes a popular video on why AKSHUALLY CV64 IS LE BAD? Will the only option for good folk like us be complete neutrality?
C64 was always good, symphoBlack person.
I always liked the game regardless of it being considered good or not, i dont need some random homosexual validating my opinion to enjoy something i like
Never even heard of this e-celeb, Black person. I played it back in 2017 and loved in spite of the fact that i'm not really fond of N64 games in general.
i mean sure contrarians exist but they just do it for attention, not cause muh ecelebs or whatever
You mean to tell us that there is an eceleb who actually has standards? Didn't know that but thanks.
How do people listen to 50 minutes of this guy's voice
Also anyone who uses the contradictory terms 'objectively good' and 'objectively bad' is an instant moron in my book.
the term, "objectively" doesn't have to mean in the sense of a higher standard, or the true standard. Objectively can simply mean whether or not goals, or "objectives", were met.
I think CV64 is a fun game
prefer legacy but I tried watching that pretentious twat and turned it off after 10 minutes
whatever he likes about the game is not why I like it
i stopped watching when he called it a metroidvania. yea it has exploration but its nothing like SOTN.
CV64 is great
It's no masterpiece.
God Hand got dogshit reviews therefore it shit?
>God Hand got dogshit reviews therefore it shit?
Have you actually checked the reviews overall, or are you fixated on the single review that is always meme'd?
have you considered that he meant that relying on reviews is moronic
because it is
that's just ecelebs before ecelebs basically
Then he should have typed that than stating what he thinks actually happened.
Some reviews are more important than others.
the level of autism on display is too damn high
ecelbs ruined the image of this game for decades, DECADES, and now that wrong is being righted.
Let’s not go crazy here. Neither N64 Castlevania title rises above a 7/10 at best.
Everyone here is saying it was ecelebs, but I've always been under the impression that ecelebs only shat on the N64vanias because it was already the popular thing to do because of overzealous IGA/SoTNgays. Not that it matters, the damage was done and they contributed to it.
>AN ECELEB MADE A VIDEO
oh no...
How did you find out???
im playing the original on normal so its far its pretty good. way over hated. don't listen to the autistic flame war starting drones. if you're thinking about playing it just try it out for yourself and DON'T play the original on easy.
My recommendation is Legacy of Darkness first (as Cornell / prequel story), then the original (as Schneider / Carrie); Legacy of Darkness is often considered a director's cut but the level layouts have been redesigned and restructured so much that it doesn't replace the original and you will get more variety playing both.
I really only find the first level to be significant to be worth playing through. The rest of the levels might have minor tweaks, but I think they're pretty comparable.
Some of the changes/new stages in Cornell's campaign screw up with the pacing and are not that fun, plus the stupid padding added to areas such as Castle Wall and the Villa. LoD with the CV64 characters is good fun though, since its QoL improvements are very good, some stages have been improved (Forest of Silence, Clock Tower), and none of the awful changes in Cornell's scenario apply in Reinhardt's and Carrie's campaigns.
It's funny how CV64 starts slow but then picks up, while LoD starts fast but slows down. Cornell mode just shits the bed when you get to the castle as it adds dumb shit like key hunting, waiting around and Sun/Moon card spam usage that wasn't there in the original. But LoD is actually quite cool in the non-Cornell modes, since it's mostly the same as what CV64 had but just faster and with more polish/QoL upgrades.
so should i just stop my C64 playthrough and just start LoD? im at the part where i have to bring the bombs to the arena wall and i can already tell its going to be awful.
only if you started on easy, since you'll have to do it again anyways. If not, I wouldn't worry about it. There are some minor difficulty tweaks here and there, as well as some gameplay refinements, but nothing to warrant essentially starting all over. As for the nitro + mandragora part, it's essentially the same on both versions. The only thing is that you don't have to do it in Legacy of Darkness as Cornell (or Henry, but his campaign is really short), as he doesn't go to that level.
Personally, I like CV64's more minimalist level design and stuff like vampire maidens crawling on all fours, but on the other hand, every character in Legacy including Reinhardt and Carrie arguably handle better, running, attacking, and sliding faster than before. Not only that, but I think some things are tweaked for better balance when fighting bosses like jumping in a straight line no longer being too fast for them to ever hit you, so now you have to put more thought into things. Also, while both games have a hard mode and I can think of at least one occasion where 64 adds an enemy or two while making enemies in general more resilient, I think LoD does it better, doing away with the extra defense but adding even more enemies in more places and I think changing them up a little to make them more dangerous? I know bone pillars are bigger c**ts than usual.
All that said, I don't you could go wrong with either, and I would think that the original version is way cheaper if you're going physical (don't forget a memory pak, though), but if you haven't already played either version or you're in the middle of 64 and not liking some things about the player character handling, I'd say go for Legacy.
Just push on with CV64 unless you started on Easy, then revisit it again with LoD whenevr you feel like it.
Castlevania 64 is the incomplete version of Legacy of Darkness; Konami released it because Nintendo wanted a Castlevania game for the N64 asap.
>No 64 sequel with Reinhardt fighting Malus and bad end Carrie
you absolutely destroy everything in furry mode. annoying that i can't seem to turn it off except for walking into a cutscene.
I always liked C64, hedge maze was kino
>should I play Legacy of Darkness or the original version
The original version feels like a beta while LoD is the average clumsy 3D action platformer of its time. Graphics and level design have been revamped for LoD, also new levels and new characters.
Alright, I just recently went through all four of the campaigns on Legacy of Darkness as well as both campaigns on the original, so I think i'm at liberty to speak definitively about the differences between each game and the differences between the stages in each game.
First of all, don't sleep on Cornell's campaign, play it. It has the most differences. Second, Henry's campaign can be beaten in less than 30 minutes if you know what you're doing. It'd pretty much a mix of the other three's but the puzzles are already solved. There's one kid per level, and they shouldn't be too hard to find, but there's no shame in using a guide with how the coffin levels work and what time you have to go in to go to which level.
The gameplay itself is tweaked between the versions, even for the characters it shares. Most people agree that Legacy of Darkness has a bit better gameplay balances, physics tweaks, difficulty, etc.
Alright, now I'll cover the differences between the stages in each version.
Part 1/?
Foggy Lake: New to LoD. Everyone has it except Henry.
Forest of Silence: I think this level gives a much better first impression for C64, as it starts off completely quiet and the first thing you see are trees ignited by lightning. LoD does this too, but not till later in the stage and it doesn't really hit the same. C64 tends to be more open ended and a bit more backtracking heavy, while LoD tends to streamline where you're going a bit more. C64 also has these crypts with fixed camera angles which are kinda neat, and LoD just has buildings with the roof blown off. LoD also removed the skeletons on motorcycles for some reason, they're just later in the game now.
Castle Wall: This level has some minor difficulty tweaks. I think LoD made it slightly easier, but the boss is significantly easier due to the camera actually working in LoD. Overall, an improvement in LoD, in my opinion.
Villa: No major differences.
Outer Wall: New stage, exclusive to Cornell (and Henry).
Underground Tunnel: No major differences, except a Spider Queen boss was added at the end.
Underground Waterway: No major differences, except Medusa (boss) was added at the end.
Art Tower: New level, exclusive to Cornell.
Castle Center: The only major change I could find is that the platforms in the infamous room where you have to carry the nitro, no longer fall.
Tower of Ruins: New level, exclusive to Cornell.
Tower of Science: This level starts off similarly, but the climb is longer in LoD. After the elevator part, they're almost two different stages. C64 tends to prefer wide open areas, while LoD has more hallway sections and turrets. LoD does add a new boss though. It's some sort of crystal that has turrets that shoot at you.
Duel Tower: Similar stages, in that you're caged to sections and forced to fight mini bosses, but the platforming sections are pretty different.
Part 2/?
Tower of Execution: These stages are fairly different from each other. The original can be beaten in just a couple minutes while LoD is easily at least 3 times as long.
Tower of Sorcery: At first glance, I thought these levels were the same, but they're pretty different. I'd say the LoD version is at least twice as long. C64 has these crystal monster enemies that spit at you, while LoD has floating crystals that try to zap you and some that shoot crystals at you.
Room of Clocks: No Major Differences.
Clock Tower: These stages start off identically, but after the first couple rooms, they end differently. They both involve climbing rotating towers, but C64 seems to be shorter, but harder. LoD is much longer and has an extra room or two and tends to be more puzzle oriented. And you get to move the clock hands to access the final stage, how neat.
Castle Keep: No major differences, but I think they added a gap during the escape sequence to the elevator so you have to jump to it instead of falling off.
Anyways, there's all sorts of things I didn't even get into, like how the violin is a more iconic intro to the game, and how LoD even shows the violin for the game over screen, even though it's nowhere else to be seen. Ultimately, I still think Legacy of Darkness is the better game. Cornell's campaign alone makes it worth it, and the revisions mostly add and improve upon the game.
Having said all that, I think the original has its place, and for anyone that wants to maximize on the differences and/or experience both versions. I'd recommend playing Reinhardt and/or Carrie's campaign(s) on C64 first, and then doing Cornell's on Legacy of Darkness. You can skip Henry's if you don't plan on playing as Reinhardt or Carrie in LoD.
Castlevania 64 isn’t outright “shit” but it’s inexcusably janky for a 1999 release from a major publisher like Konami. It looks and plays like an N64 title from 1997.
All the delays didn't help that.
Both
CV64 isn't the worst game ever made but it's funny seeing N64 kids try and force it because they're so starved for games. Also, as a Castlevania entry it's utterly abysmal. Imagine if your last Castlevania game was Rondo of Blood or something and you ended up waiting six years for this piece of shit (it came out in 1999 and still somehow looks terrible)