Do you want to see them continue to build on FF16's systems or do you want FF17 to be a new take again?
Yoshida lamenting that the time between entries has become too long, and the guys skill at essentially building pipelines for development makes me think that they might stick with the action focus for a another entry, since Square also poaching Suzuki wouldn't make sense if it was just for one entry.
I think that they've built a decent base, and that if the next entry or whatever did a proper party, or even made other characters playable, and then threw in some elemental reaction stuff that it would already be off to a good start.
Keep the engine, Ryota Suzuki on combat only have it be built around jobs instead of eikons now, and if not fully controllably party members, at least combination attacks/trinity like KH. Switch in Hiroyuki Ito directting and Natsuko Ishikawa writing. Soken retained on music.
No way uematsu is overrated. Soken cant write a fricking melody at all. All he does is le ebin orchestra 1 bar chords and some shitty arpegios (sometimes). Uematsu even with 16 bits games managed to make better soundtracks. Its almost a joke the difference.
Next one will be made most likely by them again and it will 100% be the same style of game.
Too many assets and systems to not reuse in a expanded manner.
Give Eikon switching to dpad, make 4 eikon equippable instead of 3. Use L2 for opening alternate menu for Torgal. Items should be relegated to menu rather than hotkeys.
They have to build upon FF16 as a base. It's just not feasible to do otherwise. Now, as far as FF16 goes, I think it's flaws have to do with over emphasizing some things and not emphasizing others enough. I'm not sure if you want to call it padding or what, but I think you could've made a much tighter story that flowed better with more highs and more flavor throughout the game and that would work better with the type of combat it has. But it has to be a major effort at improvement and not just a quick recycling of the game's engine and assets.
They have to build upon FF16 as a base. It's just not feasible to do otherwise. Now, as far as FF16 goes, I think it's flaws have to do with over emphasizing some things and not emphasizing others enough. I'm not sure if you want to call it padding or what, but I think you could've made a much tighter story that flowed better with more highs and more flavor throughout the game and that would work better with the type of combat it has. But it has to be a major effort at improvement and not just a quick recycling of the game's engine and assets.
any sign of this trash game in XVII means I will skip XVII too
Either keep it, or go insane and make FF17 and old styled traditional RPG.
But I assume the next main game won't be out until 2030 at least, there's still some time left.
However, there's also the dire possibility that FF17 will be a MMO. After all
11 - three games - 14 - three games - 17
>you homosexuals
I never said that. I admit it was in decline, but never dying. Now it is thanks to XV, the second worst FF, and XVI, the worst FF. Now FF isn't even a jrpg anymore, no party, no magic, no builds, nothing.
Yup, this is pretty much it. I don't even get why the nufans care. It's not as if they ever enjoyed JRPGs. Could call these games by any other name and it would be the same.
>Now FF isn't even a jrpg anymore,
Yes it is. >No party,
XV had a party, VIIR had and will continue to have a party, and FFXVI technically has a party, just an AI controlled party. Even the MMO has parties with both players and npcs nkw. >no magic,
FFXV and FFVIIR have magic.
FFXIV has multiple mage jobs like the Final Fantasy titles of old.
FFXVI's doesn't have a conventional magic system because Clive is essentially "What if a Summoner had a big fricking sword and was just Terra's Esper form all the time." Clive doesn't traditional magic because everything Clive does outside of basic attacks IS magic. >no builds,
FFXV has builds in the form of abilities.
FFVIIR has builds in the form of weapon upgrades and materia.
FFXIV, admittedly, has no builds.
FFXVI has builds in the form of what eikons you have equipped and what abilities you choose to use on the.. >nothing.
With the exception of a lack of builds in the MMO, they all have everything you just b***hed they didn't. Play more video games.
You're just upset because you're old and bitter and don't want change and just want to play (x) homies in a row turn based games until the sun dies even though there are still more than enough series out there doing just that.
>no builds,
XVI has more character customization than >I, IV, VI, IX, X
And it has more character customization than any action game I can think of besides God Hand
And I'll add the thing I enjoyed the most in the game is sitting in training mode and fine-tuning my loadout. Figuring out that stuff like Rift Slip was actually really good, completely changing the feel of the combat when it's equipped. So >no builds
is bollocks
Honestly I think that was part of the point with him. Clive also didn't have a clue what the frick he was going about other than "I work for Ultima you must obtain my power also I'm going to kill your girl." The scene with his mom was pretty funny though
I don't care what he's about, his encounter was pitiful. They pulled out all the stops for Bahamut then the rest of the game suffered because it couldn't compete.
>I don't care what he's about, his encounter was pitiful.
He is the best actual boss fight in the game. Replaying Titan isn't very fun, replaying Barnabas is fun. Barnabas was a duel between men, it would have been gay to end as a Kaiju battle. Few understand this.
How does the character suck?
He is literally the same as Clive, a what if version of him had he stayed as a lonely jaded murderer in the search of revenge and ended up as a broken man in the search of salvation.
It's the entire reason he is the last dominant to fight thematically and we fight him only as a man vs man.
It's incredible how media illiterate you people are good god.
11 months ago
Anonymous
M8 he's the most cookie cutter anime "free will is bad" bad guy ever. Him being the opposite of Clive means jack shit. And his VA is the worst one in the game.
Tales of Arise also pulled the main character opposite BS and it was just as stupid and bad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>cookie cutter anime "free will is bad" bad guy ever
This type of villain is actually very prevalent in JRPGs. Japan really likes the trope where a villain wants to remove free will from people because that's somehow a better idea. I also fricking hate this cliche. >Humanity is shit, therefore I will remove everyone's emotions and free will because HAHA FRICK YOU
What the frick?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's also prevalent in many JRPGs and it's stupid almost every time in my opinion.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>his VA is bad
It's not, it's one of the best. He perfectly acted going nuts in the 2nd half of the fight. Clive's VA also said Barnabas gave one of the best performances.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cool opinion from his VA, but he wasn't good at all. His delivery was awful.
But that's kind of expected from English dubs of Jap games. I'm surprised most of the FF16 VAs were even passable. Cid's was the best in my opinion, followed by Dion. But Gav, Jill, etc where also good. Clive's was fine, but I think the director told the VA to lay on the Batman voice a little too thick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Clive is especially bad when he is losing his shit. when Joshua dies, dude sounds like he's legit crying
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dunno, I personally dont care for Barnabas as a character except for his boss fight, I thought the entire setting being a scene by scene remake of DMC3 Temen Ni-gru was great and he obviously is meant to look and act like Vergil.
Dont care for Ultima as a character either, I think all the space alien bullshit in Final Fantasy games is garbage, whether it's Jenova, Ultimecia, Sin, the occuria in 12 or this shit. I dont understand them talking up all the Game of Thrones shit if its just going to devolve into space alien bullshit anyway, and you already get glimpses of this as soon as Phoenix's Rise.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That was my mine gripe. I thought the game would be a somewhat grounded tale of warring kingdoms. Like Triangle Strategy or something. And they talked it up too. But by like the mid game it was the same crap about killing some dick god/superior being.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>a what if version of him had he stayed as a lonely jaded murderer in the search of revenge
If Clive had stayed as a jaded killer in search of revenge he would have become a religious zealot king who thinks free will is a curse?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No because Clive was made a slave already, but yeah, you can bet had he kept going on that path, facing that he killed his brother alone and shit, he would have hated the shit out of himself and buy into whatever bullshit Ultima could entice him with.
The parallels are clearly there, from the design, to the revenge plot, to the yearn of being loved by their mothers.
Cuz barnabas is a real boss fight with actual mechanics
Titan and bahamut were just spectacle gimmick boss fights
It was deliberate, clive talked before about not wanting to rely on transforming into ifrit all the time, and barny also said that dominants use their eikon as a clutch. He wanted a real fight
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's still jarring though to have that progression from a gameplay perspective. And the Titan fight was did have more conventional segments too.
And that doesn't remove the fact that Barnabas is goofy af tbh. I was cracking up almost everytime he spoke. Like I said the boss fight by itself is fine in my opinion. Nothing special but OK. But the character is what sank it for me.
I will accept your opinion that he's the best, me and everyone I've talked to though in person did not jive with Barny fight, though. I'm sorry. I'm not referring to him not getting a kaiju battle those aren't exactly HIGH OCTANE. Even his human form gets interrupted by gay QTE and cinematic events. It's just lame anime bullshit when I want to fight a hard boss that isn't a random hunt. If barny could split the see why was his fight so fricking undercooked and underwhelming? Noone can answer this they just say "you just want kaiju you don't understand"
>If barny could split the see why was his fight so fricking undercooked and underwhelming?
It wasn't. I'm sorry you didn't play Devil May Cry 3 and couldn't appreciate it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but if you need to call back to another game to make the case for why it's so great that's kinda worthless. I didn't buy DMC3 + this. I bought FFXVI.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No I just played DMC3 the day it came out, yknow 17 years ago at the age you're supposed to enjoy mundane shit like that. Also I'm glad that you skimped on my next sentence saying noone can explain why they just deflect lol. Blind defenders are so curiously sad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It already was explained, you just said "nuh uh because I said so." Barnabas is the best actual boss in the game and the most fun to replay, by far. I'm sorry you didn't get a kaiju battle and instead got a duel between Dante and Vergil.
>DMC3 is "mundane"
Ah, so you have shit taste. It all makes sense now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
DMC clowns always get mad when you comment on their press square and triangle in different orders CCCCRAZY game. I beat these things in grade school, they're not for adults to defend like marvel films, be better than that. I'm glad I can elicit these responses from people who have no backbone and can't take criticism on something they didn't even make. lol. lmao even.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shonen anime writing at best I guess. I'm not thinking about it too hard necessarily it's just kinda frickin stupid if you ask me. There was no real time for character growth which is what normally happens in those shonen. They'll give you hours and hours to wrap up story beats before Ultima at the end, but they won't give clive room to breathe other than LIVE AND DIE ON MY OWN TERMS HURFDURF.
All in all, I still think this games the best FF we've had since 12. And it's even a good game in general, it's better than most shit we get. There's just some shit towards the end I really can't just look at and go "that's kino!!!!!111!" Music? Good imo, world is good, the characters are interesting. It was really just barny and ultima for me.
>clive and friends go on boat >meet barnabas at sea >barnabas cuts the ocean >clive powerless against him >jill lets him touch her boobs to get shiva >all of a sudden clive's strong enough to overpower him without much of a challenge and barnabas doesn't just cleave the towers down on some crazy shit.
Was the shiva power spike that big? Am I really supposed to believe that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's anime writing. Don't think about power levels too hard.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Probably operating under the idea that each eikon powers him up overall as well, though its not really reflected in gameplay.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He had sex anon. He became a full chad
11 months ago
Anonymous
The power of getting pussy
11 months ago
Anonymous
The power of getting pussy
11 months ago
Anonymous
>barnabas doesn't just cleave the towers down on some crazy shit.
He used the same exact move he used to split the sea. You just stopped it and Zantetsuken'd him.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's totally fine if Clive had any growth after the time he fought barnabas 3 hours before that. and lost miserably and ended up naked on a beach. It's just kinda weak and hammed up because it had to be done to progress the story. I've already said I'm glad you guys like the fight I just don't understand why you guys think it's gods gift to gaming lol there's really nothing that could have been done better??? really??
11 months ago
Anonymous
no it's just shoddy writing
you can tell the writers had peaced out by that point. even LoreLady stops giving you recaps because the story no longer exists
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Lorelady stops giving you recaps
I noticed this too! They really did just kinda give up I guess. Probably explains why they had to call Leviathan "Leviathan the Lost" because they lost the budget/time to make him work in this game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you can even tell because there's clearly a sea-focused portion of the story where Jill just immediately gets rescued after getting kidnapped with no repercussions and barnabas just shows up dicks around and fricks off
11 months ago
Anonymous
Wait. Which part of the game are you talking about? The one before fighting Barnabas at the bottom of the ocean?
I understand than, but the whole "interrupted before a kiss" is just such nonsense. They would have had to made camp on any of their journeys and had time alone. The idea that there's NO downtime pisses me off. Let them be girlfriend and boyfriend early.
Both time skips were really dumb. They added nothing to the story or characters.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Clive's hair grew longer and get removed his brand. Jill and everyone else remained unchanged. You're right.
So, what I'm gathering is the Bahamut fight was just a metaphor for the problems and consequences of incest among the royalty of Europe using a gigantic three-way orgy.
Yeah, I no longer will tell people that FF is an example of decent music in video games. They will check the XVI stuff and imaging that I'm off my rocker.
>Odin
opera fitting for royalty mixed with carnival waltzes to show Barnabas' madness >Bahamut
heavy emphasis on violins and strings to show Dion's status as an imperial prince and fitting for the strongest eikon >Titan
JAPANESE BUTTROCK
>write moderately decent quests
and yet another moron who either didn't play the game or skipped every sidequest.
You're right about the bad pacing but you're completely hillariously wrong about the sidequests. Don't just regurgitate opinions you read on Ganker
sidequests later in the game add a lot to the lore and characters but mechanically they're still generic as frick with them being either fetch quests or enemy gauntlets
I never said the sidequests weren't terrible gameplay wise, they play like badly ported XIV fetch quests.
the moron I was replying to said they were badly written, which they're not, they add a frick ton of great character work and worldbuilding, they're actually very very well written.
see he even doubled down on it here lmao.
bro they're voiced XIV quests frick off, shit's lazy and boring as frick
bro, like half of them are a regurgitation of "btw powerful rich people bad" or some shit like that
there's some good quests writing wise but a ton of them could be completely cut and the overall experience, message and understanding of the game woudn't change at all
oh sorry guys
let's hope they do make the exact same game without learning anything and have Yoship's brilliant MMO devbrained mind make the most formulaic and souless entry in the series
can't wait to see what interesting setting and genre they will settle with only to completely forget about it halfway through the game and hamfist some XIV plot points here and there for the most generic story ever I really wanted this game to be good and I am upset if it wasn't clear
You can cut all of the pre-timeskip quests and lose very little. Post timeskip you can cut a few, but you honestly can't cut half of them and you're being pretty disingenuous to imply that since a lot of them are quest chains that resolve toward the end of the game and develop the hideaway cast, party characters, worldbuilding and even the npcs in each major area like lostwing and dalamil..
I think there could've been a greater variety of quests, but since Clive is the hero and his one best skill is fighting, it limits the options. That said, you can certainly make them better and more elaborate.
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah
I think it also has a lot to do with the contrast from the super highs of the main main quests to the slow MMOlike quest lows you get into right after witnessing, say, the Bahamut fight
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know that in God of War 2018, I had the same problem. There's this great fight at the beginning of the game and it's just fricking great. Then I have to go play babysitter to the kid for hours as I jog through a bunch of linear areas.
>the entire game should be told through fetch quests
I don't get why people support this when Dark Souls, Elden Ring, and Witcher exists. Every quest should have consequences or changes made in the world. It should be related to the character and world in a more fleshed out manner. Not "save this guy" *fight mob guy thanks you" and "I need resources" *slay mob* *fast travel back for some sentimental lore dump cutscene*
>using FromSoftware as an example of good sidequests
Their "sidequests" are extremely barebones and nearly always are just "here's a tragic character, talk to them 3 times in different places and then they die while saying ZANZIBART..."
XVI sidequests are just worldbuilding loredumps. They didn't focus on gameplay, they're about the setting, and there's nothing wrong with that.
A lot of the sidequests are personal though and don't do much for the lore of the world. I think some of them are even decent, but plenty of other games have much better sidequests.
>They didn't focus on gameplay, they're about the setting, and there's nothing wrong with that. >they didn't focus on gameplay >and there's nothing wrong with that
frick off. Oh yeah and the stories for the sidequests suck. the exceptions being the last one for the crimson caravans and the last 2 for the blacksmith. That's it.
There are hunts for side gameplay. The sidequests are for lorebuilding. >frick off
I'm sorry this makes you upset.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> The sidequests are for lorebuilding.
and they are still shitty.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cool opinion. I liked a lot of them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But the sidequests also have gameplay. They just suck for the most part. I liked the game, but the sidequests are the weakest part.
Even even if you only count the writing, most of them also suck. Except for Blackthorne's questline in my opinion. And maybe one or two more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The hunts are pretty bare bones, but they're mainly ways to make more Gil and recognition for free gifts.
Quests should have been made of better quality. There's no incentive to do a single quest, they don't even pay much. Some give useless medallions you'll sell because you can only wear 3
This game needs to be constructively criticized so the next game is something worth GOTY like Witcher's Blood and Wine dlc.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Blackthorne's quest (plus some hunts) leads to the best sword in the game. Not that it's super useful. But it's something.
But yeah the read lead to useless mementos or maybe crafting parts sometimes plus a little gil.
There are hunts for side gameplay. The sidequests are for lorebuilding. >frick off
I'm sorry this makes you upset.
Also, there aren't just hunts for side gameplay. There's the final trails and more importantly, the Arcade Mode. Frankly, an action game doesn't even need sidequests to be good, and FF16 gives you a ton.
11 months ago
Anonymous
> There's the final trails and more importantly, the Arcade Mode
and why would I give a single frick about either of those?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because the game is 90% action game and 10% rpg, not 90% rpg and 10% action game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And? How does that explain why i should give a frick about the trials or the arcade mode?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Have you never played an action game like DMC before? most fans of those games enjoy getting high scores, which is the point of arcade mode.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay but I don't because I'm not an autistic gay.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The trials teach you how to actually play the game. A bit late in the game perhaps but it has each eikon covered.
And Arcade mode is the closest the game comes to being a DMC-like game, which is what it is.
All it is missing now is a Bloody Palace mode. Chronolith Trials doesnt really scratch that same itch
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The trials teach you how to actually play the game.
I know how to play the game. I beat the game. >And Arcade mode is the closest the game comes to being a DMC-like game, which is what it is.
I couldn't care any less. That's not a positive in my book.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I know how to play the game. I beat the game.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
11 months ago
Anonymous
Doing flashy combos on passive enemies who barely even fight back isn't fun even if you attach a score to it homosexual.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Action games aren't for you. Go play a different genre. Also you could never, ever get all S ranks on DMC3 DMD.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Action games aren't for you.
they are when they're actually fun like Ninja Gaiden or Dragon's Dogma and aren't about getting meaningless scores from doing combos on punching bag enemies. > Also you could never, ever get all S ranks on DMC3 DMD.
I could if I cared.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Doing flashy combos on passive enemies who barely even fight back isn't fun
Doing that shit to real people is why I love fighting games too.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>why would I gave a frick about scoring in a Devil May Cry game?
L O L >b-but it says Final Fantasy on the box so I need blitzball!
L O L
nonce.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>why would I gave a frick about scoring in a Devil May Cry game?
exactly. Why should I?
First of all they don't all die, some join you, some get saved, some turn to bosses, you can "fail" or not do the quests for different outcomes. You can lose a vendor, get help for another battle. And learn a bit about the world at the same time.
That's a huge problem, you're supposed to focus on gameplay in a single player game. Lore dumping through a fetch quest is what you do for an mmo that you need to level up in. This is not okay and should not continue.
There was ONE quest I did where a noble and his son died from getting a stronger wolf to kill bearers. That was a quest heading in the right direction. What this game needs is more of those. Game needs more NPC interaction aside from "oh we trust you do whatever you want with my seal". We could have quests where not accepting them leads to a consequence or where we need to rush to save a village or else. There's so much potential.
You shouldn't be okay with lore dumps. Important lore should be encouraged.
>Clive's mom >Barnabas' mom >the expecting Mom on Ash
I fricking love moms in this game. It pains me there's no PC version for the bawdmongers to rip the models out of.
>Clive's mom >Barnabas' mom >the expecting Mom on Ash
I fricking love moms in this game. It pains me there's no PC version for the bawdmongers to rip the models out of.
i'd take that over this braindead button mashing. they put zero effort into the battle system. maybe not exact, but something like it, with a party system and strategy would have been nice. such a downer after ffvii remake battle mech wise.
let me guess, you never played the game and fell for the gif of Yoshi P holding one button to win that was designed to show off the game journalist rings.
>i'd take that over this braindead button mashing. they put zero effort into the battle system.
You haven't played the game.
none of you homosexuals have played an ff game outside of ffxiv and xvi, you also hold GoT as the gold standard for the fantasy genre. this game was made for you. enjoy it morons.
>none of you homosexuals have played a ff game outside of xiv and xvi
I have quite literally played every single mainline FF game except for XI and XV to completion, and I tried really hard with XV to give it a chance but it was too bad. stop coping and just accept that you hate a game you've never played while people who played it enjoyed it.
my favourite FF games are IX and XII, and I have a huge soft spot for V, X and VI. Now how about you tell me what youre favourite FF games are if you've played all of them so much.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Good taste, anon.
Frick, but I do hope they don't butcher IX with the remake. They better have use the same bribong VA studio as CBU3, because I can't imagine Steiner being voiced by anything but some NORF bloke.
11 months ago
Anonymous
God I hope so as well. IX is such a comfy game, its a shame the load times suck and the combat is really slow, because outside of those things the game is great, great cast, great music, great side content. Great story and moments too. Not Alone still kills me everytime I hear it. (but remember according to some moronic shazam troony I haven't played a single FF game except for XIV and XVI)
>none of you homosexuals have played an ff game outside of ffxiv and xvi
I've played VI, VII, VIII, VIX, XII, and XIII >you also hold GoT as the gold standard for the fantasy genre
I have never watched a single episode of GoT. I haven't even watched like 2 minutes of it. I only listened to that one scene where Peter Dinklage talks about a hypothetical island of sex and food.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>never seen GoT
if you played ffxvi, you watched GoT. it's a direct rip off with a final fantasy skin.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Absolute moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>clive is jon snow, torgal is ghost
are you fricking braindead? they even have the same family dynamic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you done? Frick off.
What the frick is fun about doomposting when it requires you to present yourself as a literal inbred moron?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>inbred moron
cutting your dick off and calling yourself a woman doesn't change your genetics, in the same way that your attempt at guessing mine doesn't change my superior genetics. you know its true, the game is garbage and you're coping.
11 months ago
Anonymous
take your meds
11 months ago
Anonymous
>they even have the same family dynamic
try playing the game parrot
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Clive, Jon Snow >Ghost, Torgal >Jill, theon/sansa mish-mash (princess ward) >Archduke Elwin, Ned >Duchess Annabella, mish-mash of Cersei and Lysa Arryn >Her kid Olivier is basically Sweet Robin >Joshua is like Bran (loving relationship with Clive + spesho powers later) >Clive even gets conscripted to join a bunch of soldiers who are punished for desertion, badly under-equipped, ill-treated/respected, and Bearers (read the lore page) aren't allowed to have kids so he has a forced vow of celibacy >They even have a scene where a dragon goes crazy and burns down the capital city >Constantly use old-timey English to sound medieval, including words popularized by Got (yeah homosexual, other shit used it but GoT popularized it). Like who the frick says sellswords? You don't think shit like Titan's breasts is a riff on shit like Nipples on a Breastplate?
Like, it's not a 1:1 GoT copy, but you gotta be an absolute moron to not see the Got influence.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Influence? Yes. Core dev team has been making similar stuff for 30 years, no wonder they liked GoT and were inspired by its presentation.
But I don't remember a dragon, a phoenix and a hellbeast teaming up against a Demiurge or the merged phoenix and hellbeast fighting the dragon in space in ASoiaF. Which book was that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>But I don't remember a dragon, a phoenix and a hellbeast teaming up against a Demiurge or the merged phoenix and hellbeast fighting the dragon in space in ASoiaF.
Dumbass, they have literal fricking dragons, dire wolves, and fire witches teaming up to fight undead zombies.
You're too moronic to live.
11 months ago
Anonymous
all invented by GoT I'm sure
11 months ago
Anonymous
Influence? Yes. Core dev team has been making similar stuff for 30 years, no wonder they liked GoT and were inspired by its presentation.
But I don't remember a dragon, a phoenix and a hellbeast teaming up against a Demiurge or the merged phoenix and hellbeast fighting the dragon in space in ASoiaF. Which book was that?
I find it moronic that most of the core argument is basically >Y-yeah they totally wanted to do Tactics Ogre or <insert obscure dark fantasy game from the 90s-00s>! >Completely ignore that GoT was a massive world wide phenomenon when FF16 was in its development >Completely ignore that SE chases world trends far after they go out of style
I can understand Tactics Ogre having an influence, but what do you think is more likely - that Square and its devs looked at Tactics Ogre and thought "hm... lets do a dark fantasy this time..." or "Yo. Look at how popular GoT is! Lets do something like that! Don't we have people that worked on shit like GoT?"
Absolute morons.
11 months ago
Anonymous
considering the team is huge fans of said old games its extremely easy to think that they just did what they've always done, and sprinkled some stuff from other media they liked on top
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that Square and its devs looked at Tactics Ogre >Maehiro >Minagawa >majority of the dec team
They. Are. The . Exact. Same. People. Who. Worked. On. Those. Games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are the same kind of person who uses interviews like this to prove their point, then completely ignore shit like YoshiP making the dev team watch GoT.
Absolute goal-post moving, cherry-picking moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Go be a moronic zoomer somewhere else.
Them harping on about GoT was for marketing purposes, just like Fromsoft pretending George RR Martin helped with Elden Ring.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I-I don't have an argument, b-but you're the real b-baka!
11 months ago
Anonymous
zoomers really have to get the last word in no matter how stupid it makes them look
11 months ago
Anonymous
just ignore the moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's called marketing
Actually they had that solo Basch sequel game cancelled so they always wanted a medieval game starring an older man, they just recycled the idea into FF16, same as Dion being SoF from Versus XIII
11 months ago
Anonymous
game of thrones also invented english accents
11 months ago
Anonymous
>GoT with a different skin
you unironically proved the other anons point moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Dumb zoom zoom. Tactics Ogre predates the first aSoIaF novel being published.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anabella isn't really anything like Cersei other than being a mean blonde noblewoman. The rest I agree with, and there's also the line from Dion about always paying his debts that's an obvious Lannister reference. I don't think any of these things are significant enough to justify accusing it of taking too much from GOT though. They're surface level allusions.
11 months ago
Anonymous
zoomer
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
This all surface level setup stuff though. You'd get just as far calling it Naruto ripoff with Eikons/dominants being tailed beast vessels and Ultima being Kaguya moonbunny shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
lel
Ironically I wish they game leaned more into the gritty GoT-style fantasy. It basically drops it entirely in the later half. Would have been so kino to see Clive trying to gather an army to retake Rosaria from the Empire.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Keep yelling into the void pissant
11 months ago
Anonymous
my favorite part of got is when the MC does a literal kamehameha against the big evil badguy with the same pose
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I remember when Jon Snow morphed with Bran Stark and went to fight Daenerys in space while shooting laser blasts
moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
George R.R. Martin did not invent dark fantasy.
He did not invent people getting slaughtered.
He did not invent slavery.
He did not invent rape.
He did not invent zombies.
He did not invent incest.
He did not invent class disparity.
He did not invent sex scenes.
He didn't invent anything in his books. He just borrowed heavily from real historical events, smushed them all together with dragons and white walkers and other low fantasy elements, and wrote easy to digest prose that the casual reader could sit through without getting bored.
>i'd take that over this braindead button mashing. they put zero effort into the battle system.
You haven't played the game.
Nta, but button mashing doesn't mean holding a button down. Button mash is when there are no combos. In fighting games button mashing is a fighting style where you mash buttons and do miscellaneous combos.
In games like Bayonetta a lot of her abilities are combos you learn as you play and you'll have a whole list at the end of the game. I'm this game your abilities are just pressing a button, not a combination of moves where you have a punch, a kick, heavy slash, light slash, shoot, ability etc.
Now is it a big deal? No. But does it elevate this game? No. There about as much strategy as FFXIV since it's essentially the same battle system + stagger.
The people who like FF7R's combat like that you can slow down time and choose their next action via a command menu. I don't care for it myself, but once you accept that's how it plays, it's a lot easier to absorb.
Also, why did FF7R have such huge doors? 16 had it cause they're carried over from FF14 where everything is built bigger to accommodate multiple players moving through buildings and shit, but FF7R was always single player.
>i'd take that over this braindead button mashing.
XVI's biggest combat issues are directy lifted from VIIR
-No way to deal reliable damage without spamming ATB abilities
-No combo meter
-One weapon style
XVI improves on many aspects VIIR fails miserably such as
-Air combat is now doable as a melee thanks to O button abilities or X+Square
-Every projectile is actually dodgeable unlike unreliable dodge of VIIR
-Jump button
-Enemy step or Garuda's O which makes you keep enemies at air longer rather than being forced to back down
-Fixes shitty normal attack damage with giving you limit break almost all the time
There are still issues with it though and they 100% stem from the fact it tries to be JRPG with damage numbers. If Eikonik abilities weren't on cooldown but did far less damage and it also had these
Give Eikon switching to dpad, make 4 eikon equippable instead of 3. Use L2 for opening alternate menu for Torgal. Items should be relegated to menu rather than hotkeys.
(me)
It also needs a combo meter(which rewards player with more XP as player combos higher) and an actual hard mode that's not just an NG+ remix mode.
I think DMC's R1 (lock-on) and directional attacks as well as some delayed combo string timings would have gone a long way for the combat and giving more moves to do than just doing the same combo + magic burst while you wait for eikon cooldowns.
Directional attacks would be so much of a ripoff imo. I would've opted for faster but less powerful Eikonik abilities instead. People would be forced to combo them that way too since it wouldn't deal as much damage as the way they are.
The slavery stuff is so on the nose it's almost unbearable and it takes up way too much focus in the beginning. You can write a story about freedom/control without making it about literal slavery, and the game would have been better served by developing that theme through its characters' circumstances and relationships instead. I'm so perplexed that they nixed Benedikta almost immediately when it seemed like she was perfectly set up to explore that.
>LOOK AT ALL THIS DESTRUCTION >also never comes back to the Twinside in any way, shape or form using his power as leader of an organization built to help make a better world to provide humanitarian assistance or disaster relief
>people say game goes to shit right after Bahamut >actually enjoyed getting wrecked by Barnabas >last areas of the game were also fun >final boos and ending were good
The only reason people say that is because you feel the main story moving to a climax after Bahamut but that point and after Odin are when you unlock the biggest batches of hunts and sidequests.
Bahamut fight was absolute kino spectacle wise but in terms of actual gameplay it's just doing the same combo string and using your 2 cooldowns on rotation. Barnabas and Ultima fights were actually fun gameplay wise (but Barnabas was still too easy).
It just becomes generic JRPGslop afterwards. It's still enjoyable, but isn't as good as what came before and just left me feeling that there was a lot of wasted potential.
This kills the zoomers who say they are fans of games but never play them and somehow proudly say they experience those games through twitter or through playthrough on YouTube or Twitch and pretend they know everything.
BASED ELON.
Gameplay is the only thing that matters, you can go jerk off to as many low quality pixiv artist as you want. If story is all you give a shit chances are you were not even going to buy the game regardless, go experience the game through twitter and discord like all the women do. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE
How do you think they would fix the issues of the game for an eventual royal edition?
Final fantasy mode works as a NG+ difficulty because it adds late enemies to early encounters like DMD, so i feel like they would have to make a difficulty in between (and maybe make final fantasy mode harder)
Dead game series stays dead? That's nice. Call me when it goes back to turn based combat. Or not because all you homosexuals love upgrading your sword to +2 for customization I guess.
My favorite part of Game of thrones is when John snow performs the fusion dance with his brother and flies into space to have a gundam battle with a dragon to stop him from exploding the earth with a laser beam
>GoT invented people killing character
He didnt even kill Dion lmao.
But yeah you're right did happen, john snow jumped into space, turned into super saiyan 3 and had an epic anime battle with her, i also liked the part where he sliced a mountain in half
it's tied with Lightning Rod as the most broken ability in the game. Upgraded it completely negates the next 4 attacks no matter how strong they are, and the cooldown is so quick that you can realistically have it up constantly. That combined with it's synergy with lightning rod makes it easily S-tier
Windup is really good. Upheaval is just AOE Windup and gets auto-powerful if you're already high up in the air like after a Wicked Wheel
I like Titan Counter since it also annihilates Will if you parry a strike but the supermove for Titan is also really strong. I use that along with the two mentioned above.
As far as Garuda goes, I hear Gouge is good at shredding Will too but I always feared I'll get hit out of it if the enemy doesn't get stunlocked into it. Wicked Wheel is your ez-bake launcher and air-combo maker. Rook's Gambit is a weaker will-killing parry compared to Titan Counter but I think it's uptime is way higher.
The supermove for Garuda just obscures vision so I don't use it.
it's tied with Lightning Rod as the most broken ability in the game. Upgraded it completely negates the next 4 attacks no matter how strong they are, and the cooldown is so quick that you can realistically have it up constantly. That combined with it's synergy with lightning rod makes it easily S-tier
Nothing except her feat.
My setup:
Shiva: Rift Slip + Lightning Rod
Garuda: Will-O-The-Wykes + Diamond Dust
Odin: Dancing Steel + Gigaflare
Perfect dodge with Shiva's feat into a permafrost, get off Lightning Rod, Rift Slip into Wykes, then Diamond Dust which should take care of the first stagger bar half, Garuda Feat into Dancing Steel (buffed with accessory), if necessary repeat Permafrost and Rift slip with regular melee to fully break stagger.
Then lvl 5 Zantetsuken, LB combo, Rift Slip into another Dancing Steel, Gigaflare, finish with another lvl 5 Zantetsuken.
Repeat until enemy is dead without seeing the majority of their moveset.
Nothing except her feat.
My setup:
Shiva: Rift Slip + Lightning Rod
Garuda: Will-O-The-Wykes + Diamond Dust
Odin: Dancing Steel + Gigaflare
Perfect dodge with Shiva's feat into a permafrost, get off Lightning Rod, Rift Slip into Wykes, then Diamond Dust which should take care of the first stagger bar half, Garuda Feat into Dancing Steel (buffed with accessory), if necessary repeat Permafrost and Rift slip with regular melee to fully break stagger.
Then lvl 5 Zantetsuken, LB combo, Rift Slip into another Dancing Steel, Gigaflare, finish with another lvl 5 Zantetsuken.
Repeat until enemy is dead without seeing the majority of their moveset.
First it went from >You gays only like this because of Game of Thrones
Then >It's all based on Game of Thrones
And of course >Just because you didn't watch Game of Thrones doesn't mean you didn't watch Game of Thrones
I get some of the GoT talk, but at the same time, I don't cause I don't remember that much from GoT except the funny midget and his badass body guard and they didn't put that in FF16. Wish they had.
>GoT invented people killing character
He didnt even kill Dion lmao.
But yeah you're right did happen, john snow jumped into space, turned into super saiyan 3 and had an epic anime battle with her, i also liked the part where he sliced a mountain in half
Unfortunately the somewhat challenging stuff is locked behind NG+ same as VIIR. Only on Final Fantasy and Ultimania mode do trash mobs get aggressive, and attacks actually start to deal hefty chunks against you. And in Ultimania mode your potions are limited. Potions are way too powerful and plentiful in the base game.
He's the best character in the game, which ended up surprising me because his design, especially his armor is too goofy. Orange, really?
But he's a total bro.
I think his voice sucks and his personality is milquetoast.
Really sucks that Cid died. He made shit like the door opening/wood smashing qtes fun.
Should've had Hugo survive, forgive Clive, and join the team as a bro that's always playfully smacking Clive on the back. Have him feel guilty about smashing up hideaway mk.1 and want to attone for it by helping Clive's cause. He could've picked up more of the slack that Cid left behind.
Shit, they could've made Benedikta a female Vegeta.
Your party is starving for personally by the end of the game. >Jill
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring. >Josh
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring. >Dion
Too little too late. >Torgal
A good boy. No more no less. >Gav
Okay I guess, but needs a better voice actor. >Geotz
Not there enough.
Even if you count the folks glued to the hideaway, what do you got? >Otto
Entire personality is just "I'm the hard ass community leader with a gooey center." Cookie cutter as frick. >Vivian
Even less personality than Otto. Might as well not even have a name. >Tomes
He's good, albeit a bit shit at his job in the story. >Mid
Almost as much of a cookie cutter character as Otto. I mean, who's ever seen a young/cute girl with a happy go lucky/quirky/abrasive personality and genius level scientific/mechanical intellect in a piece of media before? What a great type of character to make while the industry is only flooding further and further with overly snarky and overly talented female characters. >Tarja
Exists to b***h at literally everyone except Jill, her lesbian crush.
Just as helpful as Mid is at helping with the "female characters written by reddit" fatigue.
>Byron
Forgot about that homie somehow.
Probably the closest in quality as a party member to Cid out of literally anyone else in the game.
I think his voice sucks and his personality is milquetoast.
Really sucks that Cid died. He made shit like the door opening/wood smashing qtes fun.
Should've had Hugo survive, forgive Clive, and join the team as a bro that's always playfully smacking Clive on the back. Have him feel guilty about smashing up hideaway mk.1 and want to attone for it by helping Clive's cause. He could've picked up more of the slack that Cid left behind.
Shit, they could've made Benedikta a female Vegeta.
Your party is starving for personally by the end of the game. >Jill
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring. >Josh
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring. >Dion
Too little too late. >Torgal
A good boy. No more no less. >Gav
Okay I guess, but needs a better voice actor. >Geotz
Not there enough.
Even if you count the folks glued to the hideaway, what do you got? >Otto
Entire personality is just "I'm the hard ass community leader with a gooey center." Cookie cutter as frick. >Vivian
Even less personality than Otto. Might as well not even have a name. >Tomes
He's good, albeit a bit shit at his job in the story. >Mid
Almost as much of a cookie cutter character as Otto. I mean, who's ever seen a young/cute girl with a happy go lucky/quirky/abrasive personality and genius level scientific/mechanical intellect in a piece of media before? What a great type of character to make while the industry is only flooding further and further with overly snarky and overly talented female characters. >Tarja
Exists to b***h at literally everyone except Jill, her lesbian crush.
Just as helpful as Mid is at helping with the "female characters written by reddit" fatigue.
It's a weird situation where the alternative reality of >the power of friendship where former enemies become allies
Could be an interesting dynamic if people like Benedikta and Hugo survived and joined the cause.
He's your younger brother, the first eikon fight in the game, and the only other person you can play as in the entire game.
He also more or less keeps the big bad sealed in his chest for most of the game.
Other than Clive and Ultima, he's probably the most important character in the game.
Yeah, it has barely any resemblance to GOT at all outside the first hours (and even then isn't all that much like it really).
The game is pretty upfront about it being just about Clive and following his journey.
Whatever kingdoms and other character may be doing between themselves has barely anything to do with him. He is all about the bearers and taking advantage of moments of weakness to infiltrate and destroy the crystals.
kingdoms and other character may be doing between themselves has barely anything to do with him. He is all about the bearers and taking advantage of moments of weakness to infiltrate and destroy the crystals.
The funny thing is that all the pre-release interviews were very clear: FF16's is Clive's story yet people still thought they were get some GoT rip-off.
>stun enemy with bahamut projectiles >lay down lightning rod on top of the enemy >use limit break and attack to build up multiplier >gigaflare and follow up with windup if they don't die
the damage is insane and i haven't gotten shiva or odin yet
I killed the S-rank dragon and big mech thing within two breaks with the Lightning Rod + Will of Wykes combo.
Well and two supermoves and a buffed Ignition
I didn't bother to actually memorize the writings and had to guess my way through it but I think I guessed right? Or does the NPC just accept whatever you tell him cause he seemed like I choose the right answers.
we never would have beaten liquid flame or gotten out of the split ocean without jill so stop calling her useless because she's far more useful than tifa rinoa or garnet
actually yeah why was lava a big deal again
also clive could've just primed and flew out of the parted ocean as we've seen him done before
frick maybe jill really is useless
Once Clive learned how to prime, he could've been in that state forever. There was nothing that suggested he couldn't. He was special even if no one, not even Clive, cared to examine the fact he was a second Eikon of fire or that he could absorb other Dominant's powers.
>Once Clive learned how to prime, he could've been in that state forever. There was nothing that suggested he couldn't.
Except that's clearly shown to not be the case in the Odin fight. He doesn't suffer the curse, but he still has limits to how long he can fully prime.
What limits? The only thing that de-primed Clive was a stab in the heart by Odin. Otherwise, the only time anyone mentions a limitation for Clive's priming is so he doesn't wear himself out. But he's gets winded fighting in an un-primed state anyways and it's not like after a big Eikon fight Clive goes into a coma for days to recuperate or anything.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The only thing that de-primed Clive was a stab in the heart by Odin.
He deprimes twice in that fight. Once from that direct attack, once from exhaustion before Barnabas goes full combatsexual.
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11 months ago
Anonymous
Then he has a time limit on his fully primed form. That still means he can use it often and regularly, just not in long stretches, even though he sure as hell used it for a long time in the other Eikon fights.
actually yeah why was lava a big deal again
also clive could've just primed and flew out of the parted ocean as we've seen him done before
frick maybe jill really is useless
I swear you anti-Jill Black folk just skimmed through the cutscenes on YT
Clive couldn't turn into Ifrit around that time
It did not make sense for him to not be able to turn into Ifrit. He already had Eikonic Disfunction at Drake's Heart and when he transformed against Typhon literally went "I remember now". Its like the Writers who watched GoT just forgot about it and rehashed the plot point.
You bring up a good point. Did it really take up all of Jill's powers to hold the lava at bay? She couldn't have done that AND fight against Liquid Flame with me?
>scene opens with Dion getting up in the MIDDLE of the bed >girl comes in and sees he's awake >runs back out to grab some water and brings it o him to drink >SCENE FADES TO BLACK AND THEN BACK AGAIN >now Dion is sitting on the EDGE of the bed near the window waxing solemnly about his sins
FF16 does this A LOT and it comes from FF14, but it looks so fricking cheap. If you're going to do a fully voiced and motion captured cutscene that the player has to sit through and watch, don't cheap out like this. Record someone move across a bed and lean himself out the window. I think a lot of the cutscenes should've just been cut.
NTA but have you seen Haurchefant? G'raha? Estinien? Aymeric? Emet-Selch? Hesperos? Themis? I don't want to agree with that homosexual but there's a significant amount of the male cast in that game that has all the marks to grab fujo/yumejo attention.
Besides Dion though FF16 has frick all of that sort.
NTA but have you seen Haurchefant? G'raha? Estinien? Aymeric? Emet-Selch? Hesperos? Themis? I don't want to agree with that homosexual but there's a significant amount of the male cast in that game that has all the marks to grab fujo/yumejo attention.
Besides Dion though FF16 has frick all of that sort.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also literally voiced by G'raha's VA.
I thought that was the case but didn't want to check until I beat the game just recently. Yeah, I guess it was obvious with hindsight
11 months ago
Anonymous
Fourchenault's and Estinien's va's voice multiple characters too.
[...] >ignoring cecil and kain >ignoring sephi x cloud >ignoring sora and riku >ignoring squall and cloud fanservice they used to have >ignoring Dissidia
I hate zoomers
you're making it sound like ffxiv did something out of the ordinary
If a game has pretty boys then you have fujos all over it yeah. Any KHgay and ff7gay can tell you how much fujo shit they saw
Also this just shows you are complaining about a game you played for over 1000 hours so that means the game must not be that bad
Tendies hate yoshida since in their twisted and mentally ill minds ff was supposed to run towards Nintendo arms after that ff14 v1 almost killing FF until Yoshida appeared and made it a popular MMO giving SE a new chance
Notice how they treat Octopath 2 as a used bawd because it's not exclusive anymore kek
And apparently ff9r might be ps exclusive so prepare for mlre seething
FFXIV is peak fujobait, not surprised the same devs infected 16 with the same cancer
>ignoring cecil and kain >ignoring sephi x cloud >ignoring sora and riku >ignoring squall and cloud fanservice they used to have >ignoring Dissidia
I hate zoomers
Such a shame NT didn't live up to expectations. I don't see why they couldn't have taken elements from Duodecim while adding the new 3v3 instead of replacing everything in favor for 3v3.
I think it might've been more interesting if she lived and joined Clive/Cid's team and later on had a confrontation with Hugo where she fesses up that it was all just manipulation. And then he snaps her neck and that's what sends him over the edge.
Ending discussion Did Clive die ????
My answer is it's ambiguous, but he may have because of them showing Metia and Jill always wishing for his safety, and he also promised Jill in her final sidequest that he would live and they would travel to the far continent
It's not really ambiguous. There's all the leadup to it from the side quests, the lyrics of both ending themes, but the clincher is that Clive is the one who narrates the game's opening and ending. Not Joshua. Those lines at the beginning and the "and thus did our journey end" are the first and final lines of the book.
It doesn't matter what the devs were going for because the japanese fandom is extremely pissed at the ending.
Even if Clive was meant to die the devs will never confirm it because it would lead to a massive shitstorm.
Back then nips were complaining about Noctis dying at the end of XV, then Takai (the director of 16) told them "don't worry bros the ending will be satisfying this time !" which turned to be a big lie and they are very mad about it. Plus the game ending with the heroine crying made them even angrier, the devs fricked up big time tbh.
>Plus the game ending with the heroine crying made them even angrier, the devs fricked up big time tbh.
nips have shit taste, the ending was spectacular and ultimately not made with their sensibilities in mind. They can get fricked and play the newest Tales of waifu simulator if they want their happy soulless onaholes.
Yea. We can tell the game was made with "western sensibilities" in mind, which is why the game sucks fricking ass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>which is why the game sucks fricking ass.
the genshin general is two doors down
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do you realize the ending it's just like FF10 right
Actually one of the FF8 theories was that Squall died in cd1, not to mention ff7 original edgy ending
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you realize the ending it's just like FF10 right
no anon, in FF10 it's clear that Tidus was a dreamperson and was 100% gonna die. He literally jumped off the airship and burst into treats
11 months ago
Anonymous
You are a fricking moron. As expected from an FF16 "fan".
But it was a good ending. It would have been gay if Clive showed up in a rowboat at the hideaway, but if people were paying attention to the lore / sidequests / metia / dawn shit it's very likely he survived.
But the problem is that those sidequests don't become available until right near the final dungeon. So if you just rushed Origin, which I imagine most players did, the ending will seem shit to them since they didn't get the quill / jill shit.
>So if you just rushed Origin, which I imagine most players did, the ending will seem shit to them since they didn't get the quill / jill shit.
it's a shame how many people don't understand the concept of delayed gratification. Sure I spent 6-7 hours doing all the sidequests/hunts/trials that popped up right before the point of no return, but in hindsight I'm much happier that I did them instead of just rushing in
11 months ago
Anonymous
I was almost going to rush Origin, but then I noticed Joshua had a sidequest about your dad and "Oh, theyre doing character wrap-up sidequests, I better do all of these." They needed to make it clearer to the player that >FINAL SIDEQUESTS HAVE BEEN UNLOCKED, ITS A GOOD IDEA TO DO THEM
because the average player is moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They needed to make it clearer
uhh...no they fricking didn't. It was clear as day that this was the final mission. They even give you the "are you sure you want to do this?" message that precedes any point of no return
11 months ago
Anonymous
I think it's kind of nice that CBU3 wanted people to actually play all of the story content of the game to create a better picture for the ending.
You're playing a god damn story driven game, why would you skip story content?
I wonder what they'll do about him if he lives. His entire character/aesthetic is so tied to Ifrit and Eikon abilities that removing it all in the ending seems like a huge mistake if they want further adventures in the setting.
If they wanted to continue with the world then they wouldn't have done the magic is gone with the ending. They could do a direct sequel set pretty much right after with magic fading but it still works, but I don't see a direct sequel.
There won't be a sequel, the real question is whether they will damage control and admit Clive is safe and well in an attempt to calm down the rabid nips, or do they decide to keep things in the dark (at the risk of worsening their reputation).
There is no real reason to keep things in the dark since doing all the side content and actually paying attention point to Clive surviving, but it is far too early in the post-release for CBU3 to come out and do an ending discussion.
Yoshida probably even doesn't care, because they went with ambiguity because they wanted discussion.
Honestly I hate to say it considering the length they went to shill it and the poor lip sync, but the japanese dub mogs the shit out off the english one.
I never took the japanese language off.
I admit, I'm ambivalent towards the characterization they tried to go for with the english, being the "original" here and all, but some of it is a bit funny.
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My only really legitimate complaint about the game is the scoring system on higher difficulties, which is junk. The game needed an actual style meter and you needed to be penalized for just abusing the big cutscene moves, and rewarding much more for long combos / royal guard variants. I don't have much desire to go for all S ranks in Ultimaniac in the current system.
Has there been any new stuff discovered for score? It seems weird that the only S rank on the Greatwood I saw was designed around doing as little damage as possible, taking 2 hours, and spamming failed Windups.
It's pretty clear that Clive lived some way or another, not only is he the narrator of the book but his whole motto was about creating a world where people could live in their own terms instead of dying in their own terms like the one Cid had. So thematically is what it is.
I don't know how he did it because it looked like he couldn't contain Ultima's power and gave everything with that last spell as his body started to rapidly petrify, but he is alive.
>I don't know how he did it
My interpretation is that Metia was magic-based and expended the last of its payer to grant Jill's wish, which is why it died out.
Man I would have loved for the game to be actually gory there, like sure, ultima made his way inside him, but the kid disappearing like ash was lame. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people thought he wasn't real.
Clive lived and had lots of kids with Jill.
Joshua lived, had lots of kids with Jote, and wrote about Hugo's cuck fantasies.
Dion lived and adopted medicine girl with Terrance.
All he did was kiss Dion and probably took some of that bahamut wiener offscreen. The fujos will probably pretend he doesnt exist and ship Dion with Joshua instead.
The trio who faced ultima all lived. You are without a fricking doubt a moron if you don't believe this. >wHAT ABOUT DION
he is also alive >well, we wont get a sequel
Bro, the entire game is talking about Southern continent and how they sometimes comes to valista to buy bearers and feeds them + clothes them like they are kings.
They better make that DLC or sequel with focus on Leviathan.
Just thinking about how cool that Eikon's power set could be makes me sad it was completely omitted in this game. Water is the most devastating element.
Was there a Harpocrates entry on Leviathan? I recall Joshia calling him "the Lost" so I just assumed his Dominant was just seen once then never again. I could see the game getting one expansion pack that adds him and some side zone / area
Water is the scariest element.
From catastrophic floods to "blood bending" to potential deflection or evasion techniques (similar to intangibility) it's the most terrifying and versatile power to have.
The ocean depths are pure darkness.
If you have mastery over the sea, you can utilize darkness and insane water pressure as well. Pressure akin to gravity magic.
I understand what they were going for, but it still feels like as if FF IX ended at the Iifa tree with no character epilogues and Zidane coming back to Garnet.
Is Final Fantasy mode NG+ worth doing right now, or should I wait for the PC release? I am not interested in getting all S-ranks for Ultimaniac mode given the current state of the scoring system; I am kind of hoping they patch it somehow. Or perhaps people have discovered Accoladtes that award huge points like "dont get hit / finish the level fast" that make the current cheese strats not worth it?
I dunno if its enough for S ranks but not getting hit gives you a huge bonus at the end for each part of the stage you no hitted.
there's also a huge bonus for each "ultimate" skill a boss has that you parry.
NG+ is by far the best way to experience the combat, action-focused might as well have been story mode. All the fights are remixed and in my opinion a lot better
OK, I will do it that since i loved the combat and it got way too easy near the end of the game (a single Impulse would do 25%-50% stagger on anything)
Does FF mode add any additional hunts / sidequests or nah?
nta not sure since im not far enough but some boss patterns are changed and skills made harder to dodge. so I sure hope they added a superboss or something even if its just a way harder svarog or ultima.
nta not sure since im not far enough but some boss patterns are changed and skills made harder to dodge. so I sure hope they added a superboss or something even if its just a way harder svarog or ultima.
no superbosses unfortunately, the only thing other than being able to get upgraded accessories is having the "very hard" difficulty Ultimaniac available in the arcade mode. That one is really fun because in addition to making enemies even more aggressive and damaging the limit the amount of potions you get, so you have to really lean on your LB if you're a shitter
>I played the first 2 hours of a 40+ hour game >My opinion is validated
Fricking hate this era so much. I hope Musk just continues to bend over and frick Twitter, because that shit just needs to go.
genuine shit take when it comes to the combat. It doesn't even come into its own until you get 3 eikons, which happens at least 10-12 hours into the game
Literally who?
Why would anyone ever value the opinion of someone who calls themselves the Salt King?
That's like a straight man going on a date with a woman who introduces herself as Actual Man
FF16 >forced romance between Clive and his childhood friend who was like a sister to them >cutscenes for simply walking >boss battles that all end in cinematics >only 3 accessories to equip with beneficial effect >armor is just stagger, attack and defense >story only interesting at the very beginning and at the very end >unskippable Spoils/Quest ended screen
I hope people criticize this game front and back so they make it better and that they move onto a better engine.
Jill was a very good female character in a world of mary-sue girlbosses. She hated being a Dominant and Clive taking her power made her happy. Deep down she wanted to knit him shit and travel, an actual female.
Game had a lot of good characters. Ultima was actually a very weak villain compared to Hugo and Barnabas. And yeah luv Gav and all the other hideout characters.
You thought Barnabas was a good villain? His whole motive was just following Ultima because free will causes suffering. He also had the weakest VA out of everyone I think. At least in English.
>His whole motive was just following Ultima because free will causes suffering.
Vergil's whole motive was just to get power because being powerful prevents suffering. I mean, you could reduce any character to such a simple sentence and say they're shit. Barnabas was a good foil to Clive, and was the only rival to ever put Clive on his ass twice. Had an awesome DMC3 homage boss fight too.
True, it's a just common trope in Japanese games for some reason. Tales of Abyss is similar too. I just think they could've done better. I thought they were setting up some medieval warring kingdoms plot, but then they revealed Ultima was pulling all of the strings
I wouldn't know about the homage so I can't speak to that part.
>be me >hop on the Barnabas hypewagon after watching the fourth trailer like many anons >game launches, he barely appears early game but it's fine, he will cement the game as GOTY in his next appearance >mwf he is kneeling to the bald cuck
Did they really have to make the Final Boss 90% QTE and cinematic "splendor"? It's not like the S ranks were even that hard, so would have been nice for them to put the player in their place a little bit without having to play FINAL FANTASY CRAZY WHACKY MODE (DO ALL THE SAME SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!)
Did the devs expect most people to skip side quests and exploration?
Because party banter in GoW was millions of times better than this. As well as rewards from chests.
>CBU3 is not done with Final Fantasy XVI and wishes to make more FF games
Which translates to: XIV will keep going downhill and they will blame it on the lack of manpower
I recall in an interview Yoshi P said he doesn't really want to work on another mainline FF for awhile. Because he's done so much story heavy stuff he really wants to do some story lite stuff to mix it up next
I am sure CBU3 might be involved in FF17 but I doubt Yoshi will volunteer for it unless he's downright ordered to head it.
>Jill spends huge parts of the game in the infirmary and doesn't say much when traveling with you. >she writes you stupid letters as if Clive realistically isn't in the infirmary patiently waiting like a dog for her to speak to him >they "fall in love" after 30 years with no conversation
Clive has enough time to entertain Mid and his Uncle, but not enough to talk with Jill. Come on.
I understand than, but the whole "interrupted before a kiss" is just such nonsense. They would have had to made camp on any of their journeys and had time alone. The idea that there's NO downtime pisses me off. Let them be girlfriend and boyfriend early.
Which is why they should've gotten together even earlier. Especially after Clive's trauma was settled. People who grieve are more likely to seek someone to be intimate with. The 5 year time gap but still getting interrupted and getting letters was so dumb. When you go talk to Tarja her dialogue implies Clive visits way too much. It's just all over the place.
You also have to understand that Clive and Jill did not have a normal upbringing at all. That’s why they’re so awkward around each other for a while, and the tension is mainly shown in small but still touchy gestures.
They wanted each other but didn’t know how to make the next step normally because there’s so much luggage on their shoulders.
Clive is the main culprit though. His martyr/messiah complex is so bad he said “frick my promises to Jill” and gambled his life to save everyone in the end.
And they never really unpacked that luggage. Exactly how much time did we spend getting to see them decompress from their 13 years of slavery? There was 13 years of it! It should've been oppressive all the baggage the player would've heard.
They didn't hook up sooner because Clive is a hover-handing emo. It looks like he even hurt Jill with his hesitation so she closed off a bit and focused on her duties too.
Only after the 30+ yo time skip did Clive start making moves.
What better items could quests reward you with?
How can we make reinforcing actually worth getting all these useless crafting items?
How can we make parry feel better?
What other accessories could we have that's like the Berserker Ring?
Can we hope to get more slots for Eikon abilities?
How should sidequests be improved?
>What better items could quests reward you with?
Accessories should grant more interesting effects than "10% reduced cooldown" or "10% more will damage." Very few accessories do this. For example, here's one that could be good
>Rift Slip no longer stops time when used to cancel an action. Instead, your next attack deals 200% increased damage and Rift Slip's cooldown is reduced by 90%.
>How can we make reinforcing actually worth getting all these useless crafting items?
literally do exactly what nuGOW does. Each armor piece can be upgraded individually using crafting materials and you choose the armor pieces more for their unique effects than anything else.
Marital sex with Mid
Anal sex with Jill
my wife, jote 🙂
your wife, my prostitute LOL
Untrue. She only craves one wiener and one wiener alone.
Said who?
Also, why does the Final Trial rules says "trial begins with only 80s"?
Would you look at that, seems Yoshida is not "leaving" anytime soon, unlike a certain developer.
>FFXVI Zero
>Barnabas as the protagonist
Make it happen.
Wait a minute who is the mother?
Who is the father?
Benedikta of course. Which would explain why Cid was sad over her death.
It’s not even actually his daughter
Cid adopted her from the streets. When you finish the Mid side quest, it updates the Lore page on her. It's not mentioned in actual dialogue.
Other info. Mid is at least 16. She was 11 or 12 when she fixed the Orchestrion, and this was pre-time skip.
Fricking finally someone else who picked up on her being adopted
I want to huff her pits while she jerks off my dicklet
Do you want to see them continue to build on FF16's systems or do you want FF17 to be a new take again?
Yoshida lamenting that the time between entries has become too long, and the guys skill at essentially building pipelines for development makes me think that they might stick with the action focus for a another entry, since Square also poaching Suzuki wouldn't make sense if it was just for one entry.
I think that they've built a decent base, and that if the next entry or whatever did a proper party, or even made other characters playable, and then threw in some elemental reaction stuff that it would already be off to a good start.
Keep the engine, Ryota Suzuki on combat only have it be built around jobs instead of eikons now, and if not fully controllably party members, at least combination attacks/trinity like KH. Switch in Hiroyuki Ito directting and Natsuko Ishikawa writing. Soken retained on music.
I'd be fine with this except I want someone other than Soken doing the music. I'm tired of his over reliance on choirs.
One criticism I have of the soundtrack is that there are way too few tracks. Ideally every boss fight should have had a new track.
and soken claims he recorded over 200 tracks for this game
he is about disappointment
Oh and Ayumi Namae as character designer and Toshiyuki Itahana on art direction.
soken is overrated
should've had proper differentiation in tracks for scenes, bosses and enemy types imo
>soken is overrated
So is Uematsu and Shimomura.
What now ?
No way uematsu is overrated. Soken cant write a fricking melody at all. All he does is le ebin orchestra 1 bar chords and some shitty arpegios (sometimes). Uematsu even with 16 bits games managed to make better soundtracks. Its almost a joke the difference.
Oh gee, its as if you want them to make Final Fantasy game or something. Don't you think you're asking too much?
Next one will be made most likely by them again and it will 100% be the same style of game.
Too many assets and systems to not reuse in a expanded manner.
Im good either way, might as well build on what you already have so we can have FFXVII in the next 5 years (andnIm being optimistic)
Give Eikon switching to dpad, make 4 eikon equippable instead of 3. Use L2 for opening alternate menu for Torgal. Items should be relegated to menu rather than hotkeys.
(me)
It also needs a combo meter(which rewards player with more XP as player combos higher) and an actual hard mode that's not just an NG+ remix mode.
They have to build upon FF16 as a base. It's just not feasible to do otherwise. Now, as far as FF16 goes, I think it's flaws have to do with over emphasizing some things and not emphasizing others enough. I'm not sure if you want to call it padding or what, but I think you could've made a much tighter story that flowed better with more highs and more flavor throughout the game and that would work better with the type of combat it has. But it has to be a major effort at improvement and not just a quick recycling of the game's engine and assets.
any sign of this trash game in XVII means I will skip XVII too
But you have a PS5 ready for Rebirth, right?
Yeah I already had a PS5 for intergrade and SoP.
>Do you want to see them continue to build on FF16's systems or do you want FF17 to be a new take again?
New take
16 is a mess.
Get together with Nomura's team.
Take what works in FFXVI and FFVIIR and mash them together. Drop what doesn't.
build on the system. It is extremely easy to fix. Like the glaring issues are so easy. Make side quest interesting and add in a few rpg elementals.
Just refine the action combat, and add in Mass Effect 2's party system, banter and all.
They're probably waiting to see how 7Rebirth's combat is received before starting XVII, since it has all of that shit already.
Either keep it, or go insane and make FF17 and old styled traditional RPG.
But I assume the next main game won't be out until 2030 at least, there's still some time left.
However, there's also the dire possibility that FF17 will be a MMO. After all
11 - three games - 14 - three games - 17
we're all gonna make it bros...
I am too ugly to find a husband.
Love these homos
your first mistake was being gay
No wonder they zoomed out, that animation looks awkward as hell
CBU3 should stick to MMOs if 16 is the best they can do.
THE HYPEST GAMEPLAY
>CBU3 wants to kill FF even more
Thanks.
you homosexuals have been saying FF has been dying for like 20 years
>you homosexuals
I never said that. I admit it was in decline, but never dying. Now it is thanks to XV, the second worst FF, and XVI, the worst FF. Now FF isn't even a jrpg anymore, no party, no magic, no builds, nothing.
shut the frick up moron
you sound like a moron
Yup, this is pretty much it. I don't even get why the nufans care. It's not as if they ever enjoyed JRPGs. Could call these games by any other name and it would be the same.
>Now FF isn't even a jrpg anymore,
Yes it is.
>No party,
XV had a party, VIIR had and will continue to have a party, and FFXVI technically has a party, just an AI controlled party. Even the MMO has parties with both players and npcs nkw.
>no magic,
FFXV and FFVIIR have magic.
FFXIV has multiple mage jobs like the Final Fantasy titles of old.
FFXVI's doesn't have a conventional magic system because Clive is essentially "What if a Summoner had a big fricking sword and was just Terra's Esper form all the time." Clive doesn't traditional magic because everything Clive does outside of basic attacks IS magic.
>no builds,
FFXV has builds in the form of abilities.
FFVIIR has builds in the form of weapon upgrades and materia.
FFXIV, admittedly, has no builds.
FFXVI has builds in the form of what eikons you have equipped and what abilities you choose to use on the..
>nothing.
With the exception of a lack of builds in the MMO, they all have everything you just b***hed they didn't. Play more video games.
You're just upset because you're old and bitter and don't want change and just want to play (x) homies in a row turn based games until the sun dies even though there are still more than enough series out there doing just that.
>no builds,
XVI has more character customization than
>I, IV, VI, IX, X
And it has more character customization than any action game I can think of besides God Hand
And I'll add the thing I enjoyed the most in the game is sitting in training mode and fine-tuning my loadout. Figuring out that stuff like Rift Slip was actually really good, completely changing the feel of the combat when it's equipped. So
>no builds
is bollocks
This, tendies said the same with resident evil
>muh action muhncoop muh demake muh first person will kill RE
Demakes killed resident evil though. We would've been at RE10 and several spinoffs if not for forgettable demakes that only defames originals.
So you loved 13 and 15?
13 unironically has better combat than 16
lets not say things we cant take back
Because it's been true for 20 years.
barnybros..
It's amazing how much he filtered people, barely anyone gets what he is about.
I think it's the dialogue they hate not the fight.
he did prattle on way too much imo
Too bad we're missing a proper Eikon fight with Odin
Honestly I think that was part of the point with him. Clive also didn't have a clue what the frick he was going about other than "I work for Ultima you must obtain my power also I'm going to kill your girl." The scene with his mom was pretty funny though
I don't care what he's about, his encounter was pitiful. They pulled out all the stops for Bahamut then the rest of the game suffered because it couldn't compete.
>I don't care what he's about, his encounter was pitiful.
He is the best actual boss fight in the game. Replaying Titan isn't very fun, replaying Barnabas is fun. Barnabas was a duel between men, it would have been gay to end as a Kaiju battle. Few understand this.
The boss fight wasn't bad or anything, but the character sucks so much it ruined the fight for me.
It's also jarring to go from increasingly bombastic fights to the Barnabas fight, but I guess that's personal preference.
How does the character suck?
He is literally the same as Clive, a what if version of him had he stayed as a lonely jaded murderer in the search of revenge and ended up as a broken man in the search of salvation.
It's the entire reason he is the last dominant to fight thematically and we fight him only as a man vs man.
It's incredible how media illiterate you people are good god.
M8 he's the most cookie cutter anime "free will is bad" bad guy ever. Him being the opposite of Clive means jack shit. And his VA is the worst one in the game.
Tales of Arise also pulled the main character opposite BS and it was just as stupid and bad.
>cookie cutter anime "free will is bad" bad guy ever
This type of villain is actually very prevalent in JRPGs. Japan really likes the trope where a villain wants to remove free will from people because that's somehow a better idea. I also fricking hate this cliche.
>Humanity is shit, therefore I will remove everyone's emotions and free will because HAHA FRICK YOU
What the frick?
Yeah it's also prevalent in many JRPGs and it's stupid almost every time in my opinion.
>his VA is bad
It's not, it's one of the best. He perfectly acted going nuts in the 2nd half of the fight. Clive's VA also said Barnabas gave one of the best performances.
Cool opinion from his VA, but he wasn't good at all. His delivery was awful.
But that's kind of expected from English dubs of Jap games. I'm surprised most of the FF16 VAs were even passable. Cid's was the best in my opinion, followed by Dion. But Gav, Jill, etc where also good. Clive's was fine, but I think the director told the VA to lay on the Batman voice a little too thick.
Clive is especially bad when he is losing his shit. when Joshua dies, dude sounds like he's legit crying
Dunno, I personally dont care for Barnabas as a character except for his boss fight, I thought the entire setting being a scene by scene remake of DMC3 Temen Ni-gru was great and he obviously is meant to look and act like Vergil.
Dont care for Ultima as a character either, I think all the space alien bullshit in Final Fantasy games is garbage, whether it's Jenova, Ultimecia, Sin, the occuria in 12 or this shit. I dont understand them talking up all the Game of Thrones shit if its just going to devolve into space alien bullshit anyway, and you already get glimpses of this as soon as Phoenix's Rise.
That was my mine gripe. I thought the game would be a somewhat grounded tale of warring kingdoms. Like Triangle Strategy or something. And they talked it up too. But by like the mid game it was the same crap about killing some dick god/superior being.
>a what if version of him had he stayed as a lonely jaded murderer in the search of revenge
If Clive had stayed as a jaded killer in search of revenge he would have become a religious zealot king who thinks free will is a curse?
No because Clive was made a slave already, but yeah, you can bet had he kept going on that path, facing that he killed his brother alone and shit, he would have hated the shit out of himself and buy into whatever bullshit Ultima could entice him with.
The parallels are clearly there, from the design, to the revenge plot, to the yearn of being loved by their mothers.
Cuz barnabas is a real boss fight with actual mechanics
Titan and bahamut were just spectacle gimmick boss fights
It was deliberate, clive talked before about not wanting to rely on transforming into ifrit all the time, and barny also said that dominants use their eikon as a clutch. He wanted a real fight
It's still jarring though to have that progression from a gameplay perspective. And the Titan fight was did have more conventional segments too.
And that doesn't remove the fact that Barnabas is goofy af tbh. I was cracking up almost everytime he spoke. Like I said the boss fight by itself is fine in my opinion. Nothing special but OK. But the character is what sank it for me.
I will accept your opinion that he's the best, me and everyone I've talked to though in person did not jive with Barny fight, though. I'm sorry. I'm not referring to him not getting a kaiju battle those aren't exactly HIGH OCTANE. Even his human form gets interrupted by gay QTE and cinematic events. It's just lame anime bullshit when I want to fight a hard boss that isn't a random hunt. If barny could split the see why was his fight so fricking undercooked and underwhelming? Noone can answer this they just say "you just want kaiju you don't understand"
>If barny could split the see why was his fight so fricking undercooked and underwhelming?
It wasn't. I'm sorry you didn't play Devil May Cry 3 and couldn't appreciate it.
NTA but if you need to call back to another game to make the case for why it's so great that's kinda worthless. I didn't buy DMC3 + this. I bought FFXVI.
No I just played DMC3 the day it came out, yknow 17 years ago at the age you're supposed to enjoy mundane shit like that. Also I'm glad that you skimped on my next sentence saying noone can explain why they just deflect lol. Blind defenders are so curiously sad.
It already was explained, you just said "nuh uh because I said so." Barnabas is the best actual boss in the game and the most fun to replay, by far. I'm sorry you didn't get a kaiju battle and instead got a duel between Dante and Vergil.
>DMC3 is "mundane"
Ah, so you have shit taste. It all makes sense now.
DMC clowns always get mad when you comment on their press square and triangle in different orders CCCCRAZY game. I beat these things in grade school, they're not for adults to defend like marvel films, be better than that. I'm glad I can elicit these responses from people who have no backbone and can't take criticism on something they didn't even make. lol. lmao even.
Shonen anime writing at best I guess. I'm not thinking about it too hard necessarily it's just kinda frickin stupid if you ask me. There was no real time for character growth which is what normally happens in those shonen. They'll give you hours and hours to wrap up story beats before Ultima at the end, but they won't give clive room to breathe other than LIVE AND DIE ON MY OWN TERMS HURFDURF.
All in all, I still think this games the best FF we've had since 12. And it's even a good game in general, it's better than most shit we get. There's just some shit towards the end I really can't just look at and go "that's kino!!!!!111!" Music? Good imo, world is good, the characters are interesting. It was really just barny and ultima for me.
Not to mention the following
>clive and friends go on boat
>meet barnabas at sea
>barnabas cuts the ocean
>clive powerless against him
>jill lets him touch her boobs to get shiva
>all of a sudden clive's strong enough to overpower him without much of a challenge and barnabas doesn't just cleave the towers down on some crazy shit.
Was the shiva power spike that big? Am I really supposed to believe that?
It's anime writing. Don't think about power levels too hard.
Probably operating under the idea that each eikon powers him up overall as well, though its not really reflected in gameplay.
He had sex anon. He became a full chad
The power of getting pussy
>barnabas doesn't just cleave the towers down on some crazy shit.
He used the same exact move he used to split the sea. You just stopped it and Zantetsuken'd him.
That's totally fine if Clive had any growth after the time he fought barnabas 3 hours before that. and lost miserably and ended up naked on a beach. It's just kinda weak and hammed up because it had to be done to progress the story. I've already said I'm glad you guys like the fight I just don't understand why you guys think it's gods gift to gaming lol there's really nothing that could have been done better??? really??
no it's just shoddy writing
you can tell the writers had peaced out by that point. even LoreLady stops giving you recaps because the story no longer exists
>Lorelady stops giving you recaps
I noticed this too! They really did just kinda give up I guess. Probably explains why they had to call Leviathan "Leviathan the Lost" because they lost the budget/time to make him work in this game.
you can even tell because there's clearly a sea-focused portion of the story where Jill just immediately gets rescued after getting kidnapped with no repercussions and barnabas just shows up dicks around and fricks off
Wait. Which part of the game are you talking about? The one before fighting Barnabas at the bottom of the ocean?
Both time skips were really dumb. They added nothing to the story or characters.
Clive's hair grew longer and get removed his brand. Jill and everyone else remained unchanged. You're right.
Cute dragon prince.
artist?
@vYe98i
H-hot...I wanna be wrapped-up in tail.
imagine getting dominated that badly by a known gay
Knowing Dion is gay, did he shove his dragon wiener in front of us like that on purpose?
Maybe.
So, what I'm gathering is the Bahamut fight was just a metaphor for the problems and consequences of incest among the royalty of Europe using a gigantic three-way orgy.
In space, anon. You forgot to say in space. That's the most important part of the metaphor.
?t=7
soken should stick to the mmo
Yeah, I no longer will tell people that FF is an example of decent music in video games. They will check the XVI stuff and imaging that I'm off my rocker.
Let's be real, you don't talk to people irl
>Odin
opera fitting for royalty mixed with carnival waltzes to show Barnabas' madness
>Bahamut
heavy emphasis on violins and strings to show Dion's status as an imperial prince and fitting for the strongest eikon
>Titan
JAPANESE BUTTROCK
???
That's not the Titan theme. The actual titan theme is pure kino.
fricking garbage.
He shouldn't have shied away from using vocals completely and rekegated then to background noise rap in JRPGs is kino.
Honestly i preferred the Find The Flame cover in the sony showcase
TITAN LOST
IFRIT WON
>Ifrit went from the shitter starter summon everyone forgets to this in just 1 game
Why does Hugo keep losing his DAMN HANDS
>Ifrit got to be the main summon of FFXVI because CBU3 felt bad because Ifrit being the starter summon usually led to him being forgotten
Ifrit won.
A fricking Rider Kick
Very nice
More like Inazuma Kick
So basically you just have shit taste
nah it sounds like b-side from tekken that they never used
shitty westernized garbage
yeah fricking westernized anime moments and kaiju fights
Give me a XVI-2 with Jill, Mid and Jote in loose outfits having sexy adventures in the southern continent.
Clive should have died and made Gav the MC.
hopefully they learn to pace a game better and write moderately decent quests
>write moderately decent quests
and yet another moron who either didn't play the game or skipped every sidequest.
You're right about the bad pacing but you're completely hillariously wrong about the sidequests. Don't just regurgitate opinions you read on Ganker
bro they're voiced XIV quests frick off, shit's lazy and boring as frick
sidequests later in the game add a lot to the lore and characters but mechanically they're still generic as frick with them being either fetch quests or enemy gauntlets
I never said the sidequests weren't terrible gameplay wise, they play like badly ported XIV fetch quests.
the moron I was replying to said they were badly written, which they're not, they add a frick ton of great character work and worldbuilding, they're actually very very well written.
see he even doubled down on it here lmao.
oh right
bro, like half of them are a regurgitation of "btw powerful rich people bad" or some shit like that
there's some good quests writing wise but a ton of them could be completely cut and the overall experience, message and understanding of the game woudn't change at all
shut up moron
oh sorry guys
let's hope they do make the exact same game without learning anything and have Yoship's brilliant MMO devbrained mind make the most formulaic and souless entry in the series
can't wait to see what interesting setting and genre they will settle with only to completely forget about it halfway through the game and hamfist some XIV plot points here and there for the most generic story ever
I really wanted this game to be good and I am upset if it wasn't clear
didn't ask
frick off
moron
go be moronic somewhere else
You can cut all of the pre-timeskip quests and lose very little. Post timeskip you can cut a few, but you honestly can't cut half of them and you're being pretty disingenuous to imply that since a lot of them are quest chains that resolve toward the end of the game and develop the hideaway cast, party characters, worldbuilding and even the npcs in each major area like lostwing and dalamil..
I think there could've been a greater variety of quests, but since Clive is the hero and his one best skill is fighting, it limits the options. That said, you can certainly make them better and more elaborate.
yeah
I think it also has a lot to do with the contrast from the super highs of the main main quests to the slow MMOlike quest lows you get into right after witnessing, say, the Bahamut fight
I know that in God of War 2018, I had the same problem. There's this great fight at the beginning of the game and it's just fricking great. Then I have to go play babysitter to the kid for hours as I jog through a bunch of linear areas.
>the entire game should be told through fetch quests
I don't get why people support this when Dark Souls, Elden Ring, and Witcher exists. Every quest should have consequences or changes made in the world. It should be related to the character and world in a more fleshed out manner. Not "save this guy" *fight mob guy thanks you" and "I need resources" *slay mob* *fast travel back for some sentimental lore dump cutscene*
>using FromSoftware as an example of good sidequests
Their "sidequests" are extremely barebones and nearly always are just "here's a tragic character, talk to them 3 times in different places and then they die while saying ZANZIBART..."
XVI sidequests are just worldbuilding loredumps. They didn't focus on gameplay, they're about the setting, and there's nothing wrong with that.
A lot of the sidequests are personal though and don't do much for the lore of the world. I think some of them are even decent, but plenty of other games have much better sidequests.
>They didn't focus on gameplay, they're about the setting, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>they didn't focus on gameplay
>and there's nothing wrong with that
frick off. Oh yeah and the stories for the sidequests suck. the exceptions being the last one for the crimson caravans and the last 2 for the blacksmith. That's it.
There are hunts for side gameplay. The sidequests are for lorebuilding.
>frick off
I'm sorry this makes you upset.
> The sidequests are for lorebuilding.
and they are still shitty.
Cool opinion. I liked a lot of them.
But the sidequests also have gameplay. They just suck for the most part. I liked the game, but the sidequests are the weakest part.
Even even if you only count the writing, most of them also suck. Except for Blackthorne's questline in my opinion. And maybe one or two more.
The hunts are pretty bare bones, but they're mainly ways to make more Gil and recognition for free gifts.
Quests should have been made of better quality. There's no incentive to do a single quest, they don't even pay much. Some give useless medallions you'll sell because you can only wear 3
This game needs to be constructively criticized so the next game is something worth GOTY like Witcher's Blood and Wine dlc.
Blackthorne's quest (plus some hunts) leads to the best sword in the game. Not that it's super useful. But it's something.
But yeah the read lead to useless mementos or maybe crafting parts sometimes plus a little gil.
Also, there aren't just hunts for side gameplay. There's the final trails and more importantly, the Arcade Mode. Frankly, an action game doesn't even need sidequests to be good, and FF16 gives you a ton.
> There's the final trails and more importantly, the Arcade Mode
and why would I give a single frick about either of those?
Because the game is 90% action game and 10% rpg, not 90% rpg and 10% action game.
And? How does that explain why i should give a frick about the trials or the arcade mode?
Have you never played an action game like DMC before? most fans of those games enjoy getting high scores, which is the point of arcade mode.
Okay but I don't because I'm not an autistic gay.
The trials teach you how to actually play the game. A bit late in the game perhaps but it has each eikon covered.
And Arcade mode is the closest the game comes to being a DMC-like game, which is what it is.
All it is missing now is a Bloody Palace mode. Chronolith Trials doesnt really scratch that same itch
>The trials teach you how to actually play the game.
I know how to play the game. I beat the game.
>And Arcade mode is the closest the game comes to being a DMC-like game, which is what it is.
I couldn't care any less. That's not a positive in my book.
>I know how to play the game. I beat the game.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Doing flashy combos on passive enemies who barely even fight back isn't fun even if you attach a score to it homosexual.
Action games aren't for you. Go play a different genre. Also you could never, ever get all S ranks on DMC3 DMD.
>Action games aren't for you.
they are when they're actually fun like Ninja Gaiden or Dragon's Dogma and aren't about getting meaningless scores from doing combos on punching bag enemies.
> Also you could never, ever get all S ranks on DMC3 DMD.
I could if I cared.
>Doing flashy combos on passive enemies who barely even fight back isn't fun
Doing that shit to real people is why I love fighting games too.
>why would I gave a frick about scoring in a Devil May Cry game?
L O L
>b-but it says Final Fantasy on the box so I need blitzball!
L O L
nonce.
>why would I gave a frick about scoring in a Devil May Cry game?
exactly. Why should I?
First of all they don't all die, some join you, some get saved, some turn to bosses, you can "fail" or not do the quests for different outcomes. You can lose a vendor, get help for another battle. And learn a bit about the world at the same time.
That's a huge problem, you're supposed to focus on gameplay in a single player game. Lore dumping through a fetch quest is what you do for an mmo that you need to level up in. This is not okay and should not continue.
There was ONE quest I did where a noble and his son died from getting a stronger wolf to kill bearers. That was a quest heading in the right direction. What this game needs is more of those. Game needs more NPC interaction aside from "oh we trust you do whatever you want with my seal". We could have quests where not accepting them leads to a consequence or where we need to rush to save a village or else. There's so much potential.
You shouldn't be okay with lore dumps. Important lore should be encouraged.
I like the game, and some of the qmside quest plotline could've worked, but they could've made then more interesting. Fetch quests suck.
me going into the Apodytery under Phoenix Gate for the first time
?t=44
I want to frick Barnabas' mom.
>Clive's mom
>Barnabas' mom
>the expecting Mom on Ash
I fricking love moms in this game. It pains me there's no PC version for the bawdmongers to rip the models out of.
Seriously. If I had to rate the top hottest women in the game
>Barnabas' mom
>Edda (Pregnant girl from Ash)
>Anabella
In that order.
Move aside, thots.
>despite date raping Joshua's wiener for 18 years, she's still not pregnant
can you open that ruin door just off the path to Phoenix Gate? I finished the game but forgot to check again.
>torgal's magical state is color coordinated with jill's outfit
ludo
why didn't they just use the ffvii remake battle system? it would have been a perfect game if they just copy pasted that one feature.
>just copy paste shit
You already get 3 games using that system mate.
i'd take that over this braindead button mashing. they put zero effort into the battle system. maybe not exact, but something like it, with a party system and strategy would have been nice. such a downer after ffvii remake battle mech wise.
>i'd take that over this braindead button mashing. they put zero effort into the battle system.
You haven't played the game.
people like you are so annoying
let me guess, you never played the game and fell for the gif of Yoshi P holding one button to win that was designed to show off the game journalist rings.
none of you homosexuals have played an ff game outside of ffxiv and xvi, you also hold GoT as the gold standard for the fantasy genre. this game was made for you. enjoy it morons.
go be moronic somewhere else
>he also still believes the GoT meme
All the markers of a shazamgay who hasn't played either this or any other FF game.
frick off moron
>none of you homosexuals have played a ff game outside of xiv and xvi
I have quite literally played every single mainline FF game except for XI and XV to completion, and I tried really hard with XV to give it a chance but it was too bad. stop coping and just accept that you hate a game you've never played while people who played it enjoyed it.
my favourite FF games are IX and XII, and I have a huge soft spot for V, X and VI. Now how about you tell me what youre favourite FF games are if you've played all of them so much.
Good taste, anon.
Frick, but I do hope they don't butcher IX with the remake. They better have use the same bribong VA studio as CBU3, because I can't imagine Steiner being voiced by anything but some NORF bloke.
God I hope so as well. IX is such a comfy game, its a shame the load times suck and the combat is really slow, because outside of those things the game is great, great cast, great music, great side content. Great story and moments too. Not Alone still kills me everytime I hear it. (but remember according to some moronic shazam troony I haven't played a single FF game except for XIV and XVI)
>none of you homosexuals have played an ff game outside of ffxiv and xvi
I've played VI, VII, VIII, VIX, XII, and XIII
>you also hold GoT as the gold standard for the fantasy genre
I have never watched a single episode of GoT. I haven't even watched like 2 minutes of it. I only listened to that one scene where Peter Dinklage talks about a hypothetical island of sex and food.
>never seen GoT
if you played ffxvi, you watched GoT. it's a direct rip off with a final fantasy skin.
Absolute moron.
>clive is jon snow, torgal is ghost
are you fricking braindead? they even have the same family dynamic.
Are you done? Frick off.
What the frick is fun about doomposting when it requires you to present yourself as a literal inbred moron?
>inbred moron
cutting your dick off and calling yourself a woman doesn't change your genetics, in the same way that your attempt at guessing mine doesn't change my superior genetics. you know its true, the game is garbage and you're coping.
take your meds
>they even have the same family dynamic
try playing the game parrot
>Clive, Jon Snow
>Ghost, Torgal
>Jill, theon/sansa mish-mash (princess ward)
>Archduke Elwin, Ned
>Duchess Annabella, mish-mash of Cersei and Lysa Arryn
>Her kid Olivier is basically Sweet Robin
>Joshua is like Bran (loving relationship with Clive + spesho powers later)
>Clive even gets conscripted to join a bunch of soldiers who are punished for desertion, badly under-equipped, ill-treated/respected, and Bearers (read the lore page) aren't allowed to have kids so he has a forced vow of celibacy
>They even have a scene where a dragon goes crazy and burns down the capital city
>Constantly use old-timey English to sound medieval, including words popularized by Got (yeah homosexual, other shit used it but GoT popularized it). Like who the frick says sellswords? You don't think shit like Titan's breasts is a riff on shit like Nipples on a Breastplate?
Like, it's not a 1:1 GoT copy, but you gotta be an absolute moron to not see the Got influence.
Influence? Yes. Core dev team has been making similar stuff for 30 years, no wonder they liked GoT and were inspired by its presentation.
But I don't remember a dragon, a phoenix and a hellbeast teaming up against a Demiurge or the merged phoenix and hellbeast fighting the dragon in space in ASoiaF. Which book was that?
>But I don't remember a dragon, a phoenix and a hellbeast teaming up against a Demiurge or the merged phoenix and hellbeast fighting the dragon in space in ASoiaF.
Dumbass, they have literal fricking dragons, dire wolves, and fire witches teaming up to fight undead zombies.
You're too moronic to live.
all invented by GoT I'm sure
I find it moronic that most of the core argument is basically
>Y-yeah they totally wanted to do Tactics Ogre or <insert obscure dark fantasy game from the 90s-00s>!
>Completely ignore that GoT was a massive world wide phenomenon when FF16 was in its development
>Completely ignore that SE chases world trends far after they go out of style
I can understand Tactics Ogre having an influence, but what do you think is more likely - that Square and its devs looked at Tactics Ogre and thought "hm... lets do a dark fantasy this time..." or "Yo. Look at how popular GoT is! Lets do something like that! Don't we have people that worked on shit like GoT?"
Absolute morons.
considering the team is huge fans of said old games its extremely easy to think that they just did what they've always done, and sprinkled some stuff from other media they liked on top
>that Square and its devs looked at Tactics Ogre
>Maehiro
>Minagawa
>majority of the dec team
They. Are. The . Exact. Same. People. Who. Worked. On. Those. Games.
You are the same kind of person who uses interviews like this to prove their point, then completely ignore shit like YoshiP making the dev team watch GoT.
Absolute goal-post moving, cherry-picking moron.
Go be a moronic zoomer somewhere else.
Them harping on about GoT was for marketing purposes, just like Fromsoft pretending George RR Martin helped with Elden Ring.
>I-I don't have an argument, b-but you're the real b-baka!
zoomers really have to get the last word in no matter how stupid it makes them look
just ignore the moron
It's called marketing
Actually they had that solo Basch sequel game cancelled so they always wanted a medieval game starring an older man, they just recycled the idea into FF16, same as Dion being SoF from Versus XIII
game of thrones also invented english accents
>GoT with a different skin
you unironically proved the other anons point moron.
Dumb zoom zoom. Tactics Ogre predates the first aSoIaF novel being published.
Anabella isn't really anything like Cersei other than being a mean blonde noblewoman. The rest I agree with, and there's also the line from Dion about always paying his debts that's an obvious Lannister reference. I don't think any of these things are significant enough to justify accusing it of taking too much from GOT though. They're surface level allusions.
zoomer
This all surface level setup stuff though. You'd get just as far calling it Naruto ripoff with Eikons/dominants being tailed beast vessels and Ultima being Kaguya moonbunny shit.
lel
Ironically I wish they game leaned more into the gritty GoT-style fantasy. It basically drops it entirely in the later half. Would have been so kino to see Clive trying to gather an army to retake Rosaria from the Empire.
Keep yelling into the void pissant
my favorite part of got is when the MC does a literal kamehameha against the big evil badguy with the same pose
Yeah, I remember when Jon Snow morphed with Bran Stark and went to fight Daenerys in space while shooting laser blasts
moron
George R.R. Martin did not invent dark fantasy.
He did not invent people getting slaughtered.
He did not invent slavery.
He did not invent rape.
He did not invent zombies.
He did not invent incest.
He did not invent class disparity.
He did not invent sex scenes.
He didn't invent anything in his books. He just borrowed heavily from real historical events, smushed them all together with dragons and white walkers and other low fantasy elements, and wrote easy to digest prose that the casual reader could sit through without getting bored.
The hilarious part is that the game is the farthest thing from got. You'd know if you would play the fricking game moron
Nta, but button mashing doesn't mean holding a button down. Button mash is when there are no combos. In fighting games button mashing is a fighting style where you mash buttons and do miscellaneous combos.
In games like Bayonetta a lot of her abilities are combos you learn as you play and you'll have a whole list at the end of the game. I'm this game your abilities are just pressing a button, not a combination of moves where you have a punch, a kick, heavy slash, light slash, shoot, ability etc.
Now is it a big deal? No. But does it elevate this game? No. There about as much strategy as FFXIV since it's essentially the same battle system + stagger.
You have played neither XIV or XVI.
yeah i love the confused mess of atb and action
i fricking love only having 2 shortcuts where i keep having to slow down the combat every 10 seconds
I'll never understand why people praise 7R's shitty combat.
The people who like FF7R's combat like that you can slow down time and choose their next action via a command menu. I don't care for it myself, but once you accept that's how it plays, it's a lot easier to absorb.
Also, why did FF7R have such huge doors? 16 had it cause they're carried over from FF14 where everything is built bigger to accommodate multiple players moving through buildings and shit, but FF7R was always single player.
>i'd take that over this braindead button mashing.
XVI's biggest combat issues are directy lifted from VIIR
-No way to deal reliable damage without spamming ATB abilities
-No combo meter
-One weapon style
XVI improves on many aspects VIIR fails miserably such as
-Air combat is now doable as a melee thanks to O button abilities or X+Square
-Every projectile is actually dodgeable unlike unreliable dodge of VIIR
-Jump button
-Enemy step or Garuda's O which makes you keep enemies at air longer rather than being forced to back down
-Fixes shitty normal attack damage with giving you limit break almost all the time
There are still issues with it though and they 100% stem from the fact it tries to be JRPG with damage numbers. If Eikonik abilities weren't on cooldown but did far less damage and it also had these
it would be almost DMC tier.
I think DMC's R1 (lock-on) and directional attacks as well as some delayed combo string timings would have gone a long way for the combat and giving more moves to do than just doing the same combo + magic burst while you wait for eikon cooldowns.
Directional attacks would be so much of a ripoff imo. I would've opted for faster but less powerful Eikonik abilities instead. People would be forced to combo them that way too since it wouldn't deal as much damage as the way they are.
As it stands, there is probably a really slim chance for DLC happening
unless you get to play as other characters
He will be the protagonist of DLC. With Dion as a party member/controllable character.
when did it change from kwark to kweh
Mid armpit sex
>Tfw 60% into game an realise its just 4 small maps and reeks of cut content
>Joshua mentions "lost leviathan" and "the southern continent"
They are going to do another FFXV and try and season pass a final fantasy, arent they?
No wonder yoshi p has spent the last two weeks trying to distance his name from it.
>3 threads up crying about pic related
Mind. Broken.
The slavery stuff is so on the nose it's almost unbearable and it takes up way too much focus in the beginning. You can write a story about freedom/control without making it about literal slavery, and the game would have been better served by developing that theme through its characters' circumstances and relationships instead. I'm so perplexed that they nixed Benedikta almost immediately when it seemed like she was perfectly set up to explore that.
bros
Based thanks anon I've been looking for this.
FINALLY ITS UP
i wish she got crushed by rubble instead
That would be too on the nose
>LOOK AT ALL THIS DESTRUCTION
>also never comes back to the Twinside in any way, shape or form using his power as leader of an organization built to help make a better world to provide humanitarian assistance or disaster relief
>people say game goes to shit right after Bahamut
>actually enjoyed getting wrecked by Barnabas
>last areas of the game were also fun
>final boos and ending were good
this is why i never listen to reviews or nu-/v/
The only reason people say that is because you feel the main story moving to a climax after Bahamut but that point and after Odin are when you unlock the biggest batches of hunts and sidequests.
>final phase of the final boss
>the soundtrack is a remix of the protag’s theme
It never gets old man frick
Not only is the music great but the name drop was based too
“The only fantasy here is yours, and we shall be its final witness”
The only way it could've been better was if instead of Ultimalius his final form was called Ultima Fantasia.
Bahamut fight was absolute kino spectacle wise but in terms of actual gameplay it's just doing the same combo string and using your 2 cooldowns on rotation. Barnabas and Ultima fights were actually fun gameplay wise (but Barnabas was still too easy).
It just becomes generic JRPGslop afterwards. It's still enjoyable, but isn't as good as what came before and just left me feeling that there was a lot of wasted potential.
Sex with odin
did Ultima make my mommy have sex with another man?
This kills the zoomers who say they are fans of games but never play them and somehow proudly say they experience those games through twitter or through playthrough on YouTube or Twitch and pretend they know everything.
BASED ELON.
Gameplay is the only thing that matters, you can go jerk off to as many low quality pixiv artist as you want. If story is all you give a shit chances are you were not even going to buy the game regardless, go experience the game through twitter and discord like all the women do. OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE
You would think more uninformed shitposters would make use of that entire scene with a naked Barnabas and Ultima-Hugo
Without the context you'd think they were spitroasting benedikta there, hahaha.
Hugo doesn't come across as a guy who likes to share.
Kinda surprised that Hugo was by far the best villain in the game.
I legit felt bad for the dude, he was manipulated at every turn. But the Titan fight was KINO.
MYY HAAAAANSSSSS
MYY HAAAAANSSSSSSSS
Where are the Van Darkholme edits?
How do you think they would fix the issues of the game for an eventual royal edition?
Final fantasy mode works as a NG+ difficulty because it adds late enemies to early encounters like DMD, so i feel like they would have to make a difficulty in between (and maybe make final fantasy mode harder)
I don't think it's possible. The issues I have are too deeply ingrained into the game.
some of them like pacing yeah, but things like making the game more difficult arent too hard to do
This was already posted anon but I forgive you
Oops i just joined
IT SHOULD BE ME NOT HIM
Cute
Dead game series stays dead? That's nice. Call me when it goes back to turn based combat. Or not because all you homosexuals love upgrading your sword to +2 for customization I guess.
>look to see whats going on from japanese people
>apparently a decent amount are CONSOOMING stuff like this
My favorite part of Game of thrones is when John snow performs the fusion dance with his brother and flies into space to have a gundam battle with a dragon to stop him from exploding the earth with a laser beam
you mean when jon snow killed denaerys? didn't look quite like that but yea it happened.
>GoT invented people killing character
He didnt even kill Dion lmao.
But yeah you're right did happen, john snow jumped into space, turned into super saiyan 3 and had an epic anime battle with her, i also liked the part where he sliced a mountain in half
How the frick do I use Lightning Rod?
Use it with Will o Wykes and deal fricked up damage
will o wykes seems lame as frick
Use it with Lightning Rod like I said. It wrecks shit
it's tied with Lightning Rod as the most broken ability in the game. Upgraded it completely negates the next 4 attacks no matter how strong they are, and the cooldown is so quick that you can realistically have it up constantly. That combined with it's synergy with lightning rod makes it easily S-tier
>Will o Wykes + Lightning Rod + Impulse if you want
Watch things fricking MELT. Tack on some supermoves after break and watch things melt even harder.
I thought so too but then it just shreds will bars and gives you four guardpoints.
what would you recommend for Garuda and Titan skills?
Windup is really good. Upheaval is just AOE Windup and gets auto-powerful if you're already high up in the air like after a Wicked Wheel
I like Titan Counter since it also annihilates Will if you parry a strike but the supermove for Titan is also really strong. I use that along with the two mentioned above.
As far as Garuda goes, I hear Gouge is good at shredding Will too but I always feared I'll get hit out of it if the enemy doesn't get stunlocked into it. Wicked Wheel is your ez-bake launcher and air-combo maker. Rook's Gambit is a weaker will-killing parry compared to Titan Counter but I think it's uptime is way higher.
The supermove for Garuda just obscures vision so I don't use it.
thanks anon
The Wicked Wheel + Upheaval combo is an obvious pick
thanks tbh
Nothing except her feat.
My setup:
Shiva: Rift Slip + Lightning Rod
Garuda: Will-O-The-Wykes + Diamond Dust
Odin: Dancing Steel + Gigaflare
Perfect dodge with Shiva's feat into a permafrost, get off Lightning Rod, Rift Slip into Wykes, then Diamond Dust which should take care of the first stagger bar half, Garuda Feat into Dancing Steel (buffed with accessory), if necessary repeat Permafrost and Rift slip with regular melee to fully break stagger.
Then lvl 5 Zantetsuken, LB combo, Rift Slip into another Dancing Steel, Gigaflare, finish with another lvl 5 Zantetsuken.
Repeat until enemy is dead without seeing the majority of their moveset.
Ah, and if cooldown is back up, use another Lightning Rod right before you stagger the boss.
This is what I'm using but with Impulse instead of Will-o-the-wykes
First it went from
>You gays only like this because of Game of Thrones
Then
>It's all based on Game of Thrones
And of course
>Just because you didn't watch Game of Thrones doesn't mean you didn't watch Game of Thrones
I get some of the GoT talk, but at the same time, I don't cause I don't remember that much from GoT except the funny midget and his badass body guard and they didn't put that in FF16. Wish they had.
Is this brainless DMC-like juggling game? Is there at least some difficulty, other than bloated health bars?
nope. its all eye candy, see:
these anons only defence is le epic cutscenes.
Unfortunately the somewhat challenging stuff is locked behind NG+ same as VIIR. Only on Final Fantasy and Ultimania mode do trash mobs get aggressive, and attacks actually start to deal hefty chunks against you. And in Ultimania mode your potions are limited. Potions are way too powerful and plentiful in the base game.
Did you like him?
He's the best character in the game, which ended up surprising me because his design, especially his armor is too goofy. Orange, really?
But he's a total bro.
>Orange, really?
Frick you.
I was scared he might bite it early but was glad he got through it.
I'll be honest, never played the game. But for what I've seen of Gav he seems like a better character that compliments Clive than Jill is.
Considering how big of a role he plays in the MSQ I'm shocked he was in literally 0 marketing.
He should've used daggers as weapons. Not sure why they just gave me a sword.
yeah he's like britbong zell
Was more of a character than fricking Jill. Wish he tagged along instead.
Devs realized that and that's why he accompanies you and Joshua to Waloed instead of useless Jill.
Yes.
This.
Wtf I thought first panel was some giant hairy wiener in the thumbnail
I warmed up to him during part 2
Gav and Byron the based are the best characters in the game.
>Byron
Forgot about that homie somehow.
Probably the closest in quality as a party member to Cid out of literally anyone else in the game.
Him being voiced partially by Haurchefant's dad really tells how long this was in dev.
Every ff game needs a thief. This was the most FF game I played in a long time. Reminds me the early ff game settings.
I think his voice sucks and his personality is milquetoast.
Really sucks that Cid died. He made shit like the door opening/wood smashing qtes fun.
Should've had Hugo survive, forgive Clive, and join the team as a bro that's always playfully smacking Clive on the back. Have him feel guilty about smashing up hideaway mk.1 and want to attone for it by helping Clive's cause. He could've picked up more of the slack that Cid left behind.
Shit, they could've made Benedikta a female Vegeta.
Your party is starving for personally by the end of the game.
>Jill
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring.
>Josh
Stoic and serious 99% of the time. Boring.
>Dion
Too little too late.
>Torgal
A good boy. No more no less.
>Gav
Okay I guess, but needs a better voice actor.
>Geotz
Not there enough.
Even if you count the folks glued to the hideaway, what do you got?
>Otto
Entire personality is just "I'm the hard ass community leader with a gooey center." Cookie cutter as frick.
>Vivian
Even less personality than Otto. Might as well not even have a name.
>Tomes
He's good, albeit a bit shit at his job in the story.
>Mid
Almost as much of a cookie cutter character as Otto. I mean, who's ever seen a young/cute girl with a happy go lucky/quirky/abrasive personality and genius level scientific/mechanical intellect in a piece of media before? What a great type of character to make while the industry is only flooding further and further with overly snarky and overly talented female characters.
>Tarja
Exists to b***h at literally everyone except Jill, her lesbian crush.
Just as helpful as Mid is at helping with the "female characters written by reddit" fatigue.
It's a weird situation where the alternative reality of
>the power of friendship where former enemies become allies
Could be an interesting dynamic if people like Benedikta and Hugo survived and joined the cause.
I don't even remember who Josh is
He's your younger brother, the first eikon fight in the game, and the only other person you can play as in the entire game.
He also more or less keeps the big bad sealed in his chest for most of the game.
Other than Clive and Ultima, he's probably the most important character in the game.
Holy shit that Titan fight was insane.
Bahamut is even fricking crazier
Wait till you see the next Eikon fight
Yes, I was surprised too since he seemed like some nobody NPC at first
I used Rising Flames the entire game.
I used Phoenix the entire game, shift is just that good.
same. I never took Garuda off my bar either
The prologue/demo is the closest to being GoT. That's it. The full game is your typical JRPG but with f-bombs.
Doomposters dont play games anon
I enjoyed the colorful language
Someone should make a compilation of all the fricks said in the story.
i think they went a tad overboard with the fricks but nothing too serious and nowhere near as bad as some western games
It really only felt excessive in Eikon battles, but also what else are you going to say while getting punched by a mountain
Yeah, it has barely any resemblance to GOT at all outside the first hours (and even then isn't all that much like it really).
The game is pretty upfront about it being just about Clive and following his journey.
Whatever kingdoms and other character may be doing between themselves has barely anything to do with him. He is all about the bearers and taking advantage of moments of weakness to infiltrate and destroy the crystals.
kingdoms and other character may be doing between themselves has barely anything to do with him. He is all about the bearers and taking advantage of moments of weakness to infiltrate and destroy the crystals.
The funny thing is that all the pre-release interviews were very clear: FF16's is Clive's story yet people still thought they were get some GoT rip-off.
Journos couldn't shut up about the comparison, that's why.
Jesus Christ gaming journalism is truly the bottom of the barrel.
Not even the demo is very GoT. It starts and ends with a kaiju fight.
They have no choice but to milk it through nothing but prequels huh? Unless they do some asspulls a la compilation.
There's enough space between Bahamut and Odin or Odin and Ultima to fit in a Leviathan/Sins of Dzemekys DLC.
wasn't mid a boy in FF5? this is kinda troony shit.
Are they gonna fix the game and turn it from an offline mmo into an rpg?
>stun enemy with bahamut projectiles
>lay down lightning rod on top of the enemy
>use limit break and attack to build up multiplier
>gigaflare and follow up with windup if they don't die
the damage is insane and i haven't gotten shiva or odin yet
I killed the S-rank dragon and big mech thing within two breaks with the Lightning Rod + Will of Wykes combo.
Well and two supermoves and a buffed Ignition
i like how ben voices the wrong answers
I didn't bother to actually memorize the writings and had to guess my way through it but I think I guessed right? Or does the NPC just accept whatever you tell him cause he seemed like I choose the right answers.
we never would have beaten liquid flame or gotten out of the split ocean without jill so stop calling her useless because she's far more useful than tifa rinoa or garnet
>"oh no, not lava! Really hope there's an eikon of fire out there or else I'm fricked"
actually yeah why was lava a big deal again
also clive could've just primed and flew out of the parted ocean as we've seen him done before
frick maybe jill really is useless
Clive wasn't consistently able to prime at that point.
Once Clive learned how to prime, he could've been in that state forever. There was nothing that suggested he couldn't. He was special even if no one, not even Clive, cared to examine the fact he was a second Eikon of fire or that he could absorb other Dominant's powers.
>Once Clive learned how to prime, he could've been in that state forever. There was nothing that suggested he couldn't.
Except that's clearly shown to not be the case in the Odin fight. He doesn't suffer the curse, but he still has limits to how long he can fully prime.
What limits? The only thing that de-primed Clive was a stab in the heart by Odin. Otherwise, the only time anyone mentions a limitation for Clive's priming is so he doesn't wear himself out. But he's gets winded fighting in an un-primed state anyways and it's not like after a big Eikon fight Clive goes into a coma for days to recuperate or anything.
>The only thing that de-primed Clive was a stab in the heart by Odin.
He deprimes twice in that fight. Once from that direct attack, once from exhaustion before Barnabas goes full combatsexual.
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Then he has a time limit on his fully primed form. That still means he can use it often and regularly, just not in long stretches, even though he sure as hell used it for a long time in the other Eikon fights.
I swear you anti-Jill Black folk just skimmed through the cutscenes on YT
Clive couldn't turn into Ifrit around that time
It did not make sense for him to not be able to turn into Ifrit. He already had Eikonic Disfunction at Drake's Heart and when he transformed against Typhon literally went "I remember now". Its like the Writers who watched GoT just forgot about it and rehashed the plot point.
You bring up a good point. Did it really take up all of Jill's powers to hold the lava at bay? She couldn't have done that AND fight against Liquid Flame with me?
God bless the other sales threads to have the doomposters there, this thread is comfy
The hours they spend doomposting could have been used to shill and support other jrpgs
This is why Doomposters are just dishonest schizos
CLAIM ME AS YOUR PRIZE, MYTHOS
my prince
They will reunite someday.
>scene opens with Dion getting up in the MIDDLE of the bed
>girl comes in and sees he's awake
>runs back out to grab some water and brings it o him to drink
>SCENE FADES TO BLACK AND THEN BACK AGAIN
>now Dion is sitting on the EDGE of the bed near the window waxing solemnly about his sins
FF16 does this A LOT and it comes from FF14, but it looks so fricking cheap. If you're going to do a fully voiced and motion captured cutscene that the player has to sit through and watch, don't cheap out like this. Record someone move across a bed and lean himself out the window. I think a lot of the cutscenes should've just been cut.
I-is that a heckin' Berserk reference?
I kneel
I thought he would be more muscular considering all the spear wielding
Yet another fandom tainted by fujos and gays. Sad!
this franchise has been fujo bait since the mid 90s if not earlier
FFXIV is peak fujobait, not surprised the same devs infected 16 with the same cancer
you're obsessed with FFXIV aren't you?
yes actually, that's why I know how infested with fujogays the game is
NTA but have you seen Haurchefant? G'raha? Estinien? Aymeric? Emet-Selch? Hesperos? Themis? I don't want to agree with that homosexual but there's a significant amount of the male cast in that game that has all the marks to grab fujo/yumejo attention.
Besides Dion though FF16 has frick all of that sort.
Joshua? Also literally voiced by G'raha's VA.
>Also literally voiced by G'raha's VA.
I thought that was the case but didn't want to check until I beat the game just recently. Yeah, I guess it was obvious with hindsight
Fourchenault's and Estinien's va's voice multiple characters too.
see
you're making it sound like ffxiv did something out of the ordinary
If a game has pretty boys then you have fujos all over it yeah. Any KHgay and ff7gay can tell you how much fujo shit they saw
Also this just shows you are complaining about a game you played for over 1000 hours so that means the game must not be that bad
Did you seriously play FF14 and the 4 fricking expansions?
Nomura is unironically the one who brought fujos first
That said, who the frick cares
it also has heaps of babes so what's your point
they have literally millions of people to appease
Tendies hate yoshida since in their twisted and mentally ill minds ff was supposed to run towards Nintendo arms after that ff14 v1 almost killing FF until Yoshida appeared and made it a popular MMO giving SE a new chance
Notice how they treat Octopath 2 as a used bawd because it's not exclusive anymore kek
And apparently ff9r might be ps exclusive so prepare for mlre seething
You will never be a woman, you disgusting troony freak
>ignoring cecil and kain
>ignoring sephi x cloud
>ignoring sora and riku
>ignoring squall and cloud fanservice they used to have
>ignoring Dissidia
I hate zoomers
>Dissidia
Just found out i can now emulate it at 60fps on PPSSPP. I should go play it again.
Such a shame NT didn't live up to expectations. I don't see why they couldn't have taken elements from Duodecim while adding the new 3v3 instead of replacing everything in favor for 3v3.
he just admitted he's a schizo who's obsessed with ffxiv
I think it might've been more interesting if she lived and joined Clive/Cid's team and later on had a confrontation with Hugo where she fesses up that it was all just manipulation.
And then he snaps her neck and that's what sends him over the edge.
Ending discussion
Did Clive die ????
My answer is it's ambiguous, but he may have because of them showing Metia and Jill always wishing for his safety, and he also promised Jill in her final sidequest that he would live and they would travel to the far continent
It's not really ambiguous. There's all the leadup to it from the side quests, the lyrics of both ending themes, but the clincher is that Clive is the one who narrates the game's opening and ending. Not Joshua. Those lines at the beginning and the "and thus did our journey end" are the first and final lines of the book.
It doesn't matter what the devs were going for because the japanese fandom is extremely pissed at the ending.
Even if Clive was meant to die the devs will never confirm it because it would lead to a massive shitstorm.
>because the japanese fandom is extremely pissed at the ending.
what are they madge about?
Back then nips were complaining about Noctis dying at the end of XV, then Takai (the director of 16) told them "don't worry bros the ending will be satisfying this time !" which turned to be a big lie and they are very mad about it. Plus the game ending with the heroine crying made them even angrier, the devs fricked up big time tbh.
>Plus the game ending with the heroine crying made them even angrier, the devs fricked up big time tbh.
nips have shit taste, the ending was spectacular and ultimately not made with their sensibilities in mind. They can get fricked and play the newest Tales of waifu simulator if they want their happy soulless onaholes.
Yea. We can tell the game was made with "western sensibilities" in mind, which is why the game sucks fricking ass.
>which is why the game sucks fricking ass.
the genshin general is two doors down
Do you realize the ending it's just like FF10 right
Actually one of the FF8 theories was that Squall died in cd1, not to mention ff7 original edgy ending
>Do you realize the ending it's just like FF10 right
no anon, in FF10 it's clear that Tidus was a dreamperson and was 100% gonna die. He literally jumped off the airship and burst into treats
You are a fricking moron. As expected from an FF16 "fan".
But it was a good ending. It would have been gay if Clive showed up in a rowboat at the hideaway, but if people were paying attention to the lore / sidequests / metia / dawn shit it's very likely he survived.
But the problem is that those sidequests don't become available until right near the final dungeon. So if you just rushed Origin, which I imagine most players did, the ending will seem shit to them since they didn't get the quill / jill shit.
>So if you just rushed Origin, which I imagine most players did, the ending will seem shit to them since they didn't get the quill / jill shit.
it's a shame how many people don't understand the concept of delayed gratification. Sure I spent 6-7 hours doing all the sidequests/hunts/trials that popped up right before the point of no return, but in hindsight I'm much happier that I did them instead of just rushing in
I was almost going to rush Origin, but then I noticed Joshua had a sidequest about your dad and "Oh, theyre doing character wrap-up sidequests, I better do all of these." They needed to make it clearer to the player that
>FINAL SIDEQUESTS HAVE BEEN UNLOCKED, ITS A GOOD IDEA TO DO THEM
because the average player is moronic
>They needed to make it clearer
uhh...no they fricking didn't. It was clear as day that this was the final mission. They even give you the "are you sure you want to do this?" message that precedes any point of no return
I think it's kind of nice that CBU3 wanted people to actually play all of the story content of the game to create a better picture for the ending.
You're playing a god damn story driven game, why would you skip story content?
>the japanese fandom
frick them
I wonder what they'll do about him if he lives. His entire character/aesthetic is so tied to Ifrit and Eikon abilities that removing it all in the ending seems like a huge mistake if they want further adventures in the setting.
If they wanted to continue with the world then they wouldn't have done the magic is gone with the ending. They could do a direct sequel set pretty much right after with magic fading but it still works, but I don't see a direct sequel.
Final Fantasy XVI: Origins Barnabas Electric Boogaloo
There won't be a sequel, the real question is whether they will damage control and admit Clive is safe and well in an attempt to calm down the rabid nips, or do they decide to keep things in the dark (at the risk of worsening their reputation).
There is no real reason to keep things in the dark since doing all the side content and actually paying attention point to Clive surviving, but it is far too early in the post-release for CBU3 to come out and do an ending discussion.
Yoshida probably even doesn't care, because they went with ambiguity because they wanted discussion.
modern nips are the worst
They are going to make FF16-2 with Hag Idol jill and Clive will be back then die decapitated in a quest
>when Ultima loses his usual monotone composure and starts speaking in first person instead of collective we
Triggered.
Honestly I hate to say it considering the length they went to shill it and the poor lip sync, but the japanese dub mogs the shit out off the english one.
I never took the japanese language off.
I admit, I'm ambivalent towards the characterization they tried to go for with the english, being the "original" here and all, but some of it is a bit funny.
Pic unrelated
Odin was actually the best boss in the game and people who wanted "le epic spectacle" lost. DMCchads won.
It flopped.
I want a medicine girl wife
'ere we go again
I wonder if Dion's libido is enhanced by being Bahamut's dominant.
Why couldn't Eikons just be on the dpad. I HATE items
My only really legitimate complaint about the game is the scoring system on higher difficulties, which is junk. The game needed an actual style meter and you needed to be penalized for just abusing the big cutscene moves, and rewarding much more for long combos / royal guard variants. I don't have much desire to go for all S ranks in Ultimaniac in the current system.
Has there been any new stuff discovered for score? It seems weird that the only S rank on the Greatwood I saw was designed around doing as little damage as possible, taking 2 hours, and spamming failed Windups.
It's pretty clear that Clive lived some way or another, not only is he the narrator of the book but his whole motto was about creating a world where people could live in their own terms instead of dying in their own terms like the one Cid had. So thematically is what it is.
I don't know how he did it because it looked like he couldn't contain Ultima's power and gave everything with that last spell as his body started to rapidly petrify, but he is alive.
Did he impregnate Jill before the end?
>I don't know how he did it
My interpretation is that Metia was magic-based and expended the last of its payer to grant Jill's wish, which is why it died out.
No one lived the story didn’t happen. It’s a fricking moronic book. Your head canon doesn’t matter, Clive and Joshua died in the book Final Fantasy.
That's one interpretation, but it's probably wrong based upon Harpocrates quill and Clive narrating the beginning and ending of his book.
>Clive and Joshua died in the book Final Fantasy.
>Writer of the book is Joshua himself
>post yfw dion threw that spear
which time?
Man I would have loved for the game to be actually gory there, like sure, ultima made his way inside him, but the kid disappearing like ash was lame. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people thought he wasn't real.
Clive lived and had lots of kids with Jill.
Joshua lived, had lots of kids with Jote, and wrote about Hugo's cuck fantasies.
Dion lived and adopted medicine girl with Terrance.
>Terence such a nothing shit tier NPC that nobody remembers how to spell his name
All he did was kiss Dion and probably took some of that bahamut wiener offscreen. The fujos will probably pretend he doesnt exist and ship Dion with Joshua instead.
>when you realize Ifrit basically looks like he's in bawd gear
Are you telling me SE thinks fujos want to be dicked by monster wiener?
so he's dressed like Clive then?
Pretty much yeah, you can see how Ifrit's design echoes Clive's arm/legwear/waist corset in a way.
He looks like he wears same moronic armor style as Clive
>Arms, legs, hands and feet are all armored.
>Chestpiece? Heh... I'm too cool for that.
>lightning rod into raging fists counter
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The trio who faced ultima all lived. You are without a fricking doubt a moron if you don't believe this.
>wHAT ABOUT DION
he is also alive
>well, we wont get a sequel
Bro, the entire game is talking about Southern continent and how they sometimes comes to valista to buy bearers and feeds them + clothes them like they are kings.
They better make that DLC or sequel with focus on Leviathan.
Just thinking about how cool that Eikon's power set could be makes me sad it was completely omitted in this game. Water is the most devastating element.
Was there a Harpocrates entry on Leviathan? I recall Joshia calling him "the Lost" so I just assumed his Dominant was just seen once then never again. I could see the game getting one expansion pack that adds him and some side zone / area
water element is lame as frick
Water is the scariest element.
From catastrophic floods to "blood bending" to potential deflection or evasion techniques (similar to intangibility) it's the most terrifying and versatile power to have.
>it's the most terrifying and versatile power to have
nah, that's clearly dark element. It's not even remotely close
Kek Odin has successfully shown Dark is one-dimensional dogshit.
The ocean depths are pure darkness.
If you have mastery over the sea, you can utilize darkness and insane water pressure as well. Pressure akin to gravity magic.
Water absolutely stomps
I understand what they were going for, but it still feels like as if FF IX ended at the Iifa tree with no character epilogues and Zidane coming back to Garnet.
Is Final Fantasy mode NG+ worth doing right now, or should I wait for the PC release? I am not interested in getting all S-ranks for Ultimaniac mode given the current state of the scoring system; I am kind of hoping they patch it somehow. Or perhaps people have discovered Accoladtes that award huge points like "dont get hit / finish the level fast" that make the current cheese strats not worth it?
I dunno if its enough for S ranks but not getting hit gives you a huge bonus at the end for each part of the stage you no hitted.
there's also a huge bonus for each "ultimate" skill a boss has that you parry.
Perhaps it's a DMC5 situation where no-hits are by far the easiest path to S rank. Would make Will-o-Wykes really really valuable
not sure if they count hits you take when using will-o-wykes or not. My guess is that they do, even if you don't take any damage
NG+ is by far the best way to experience the combat, action-focused might as well have been story mode. All the fights are remixed and in my opinion a lot better
OK, I will do it that since i loved the combat and it got way too easy near the end of the game (a single Impulse would do 25%-50% stagger on anything)
Does FF mode add any additional hunts / sidequests or nah?
nta not sure since im not far enough but some boss patterns are changed and skills made harder to dodge. so I sure hope they added a superboss or something even if its just a way harder svarog or ultima.
no superbosses unfortunately, the only thing other than being able to get upgraded accessories is having the "very hard" difficulty Ultimaniac available in the arcade mode. That one is really fun because in addition to making enemies even more aggressive and damaging the limit the amount of potions you get, so you have to really lean on your LB if you're a shitter
>Didnt even get past the tutorial/prologue
Total eceleb death.
>I played the first 2 hours of a 40+ hour game
>My opinion is validated
Fricking hate this era so much. I hope Musk just continues to bend over and frick Twitter, because that shit just needs to go.
genuine shit take when it comes to the combat. It doesn't even come into its own until you get 3 eikons, which happens at least 10-12 hours into the game
>gets like max 10k on his video
how the frick does he pay rent?
Literally who?
Why would anyone ever value the opinion of someone who calls themselves the Salt King?
That's like a straight man going on a date with a woman who introduces herself as Actual Man
ok WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE FALLEN DOOR IN THE DIM NEAR PHOENIX GATE. WHAT THE FRICK DOES IT MEAN?
FF16
>forced romance between Clive and his childhood friend who was like a sister to them
>cutscenes for simply walking
>boss battles that all end in cinematics
>only 3 accessories to equip with beneficial effect
>armor is just stagger, attack and defense
>story only interesting at the very beginning and at the very end
>unskippable Spoils/Quest ended screen
I hope people criticize this game front and back so they make it better and that they move onto a better engine.
dion needs a wife.
Anyone have a archived link of Kotaku's clickbait whining over FFXVI's Jill not being a Mary-Sue? It's really awful.
Jill was a very good female character in a world of mary-sue girlbosses. She hated being a Dominant and Clive taking her power made her happy. Deep down she wanted to knit him shit and travel, an actual female.
It's weird too because she saves Clive at least once and gets captured. It's not like she's a wet rag that does nothing.
You should see the latest Kotaku article on FFXVI. They have to namedrop a certain scam artist as the better "woman".
Game had a lot of good characters. Ultima was actually a very weak villain compared to Hugo and Barnabas. And yeah luv Gav and all the other hideout characters.
You thought Barnabas was a good villain? His whole motive was just following Ultima because free will causes suffering. He also had the weakest VA out of everyone I think. At least in English.
>His whole motive was just following Ultima because free will causes suffering.
Vergil's whole motive was just to get power because being powerful prevents suffering. I mean, you could reduce any character to such a simple sentence and say they're shit. Barnabas was a good foil to Clive, and was the only rival to ever put Clive on his ass twice. Had an awesome DMC3 homage boss fight too.
True, it's a just common trope in Japanese games for some reason. Tales of Abyss is similar too. I just think they could've done better. I thought they were setting up some medieval warring kingdoms plot, but then they revealed Ultima was pulling all of the strings
I wouldn't know about the homage so I can't speak to that part.
Don't know anything about this game.
What the frick is she wearing here on her neck?
>name her Mid
>shes not mid
what a "handsome" fellow
What a handsome fellow indeed.
What the FRICK was that cutscene
I have no clue. But it was a pleasant surprise to see Hugo and Barnabas in the nude.
Exposes Barnabas as a very flawed person, who despite his badass exterior actually couldn't cope with loss like Clive could.
>be me
>hop on the Barnabas hypewagon after watching the fourth trailer like many anons
>game launches, he barely appears early game but it's fine, he will cement the game as GOTY in his next appearance
>mwf he is kneeling to the bald cuck
Well it wasn't really Hugo, anon. At least take some solace in that.
So was Clive's mom insane from the start or was she also being heavily manipulated by Ultima?
It's implied he's been pulling strings for decades, seeing as he even stopped Barnabas' aging to keep using him.
I think she was just always a b***h and Ultima used that.
b***h was an ambitious c**t from the start. Ultima just nudged her in the right direction
I can't find the archive of Kotaku's clickbait article on FFXVI's Jill. All I can find is this video.
Did they really have to make the Final Boss 90% QTE and cinematic "splendor"? It's not like the S ranks were even that hard, so would have been nice for them to put the player in their place a little bit without having to play FINAL FANTASY CRAZY WHACKY MODE (DO ALL THE SAME SHIT AGAIN!!!!!!!)
Did the devs expect most people to skip side quests and exploration?
Because party banter in GoW was millions of times better than this. As well as rewards from chests.
>tfw you get your first 2 gil
You waste hours seeing a "Quest complete, Spoils" screen that's unskippable. Also most people Skip side quests in XIV and Yoshida is from XIV.
Add gilgachad in the DLC pls
I'm the only one who think Jill both looks, act and sound like a grown up Neon?
>CBU3 is not done with Final Fantasy XVI and wishes to make more FF games
Which translates to: XIV will keep going downhill and they will blame it on the lack of manpower
Ain't that Gladio's sister from XV? xd
XIV is essentially over now that there's no threat and they killed all the Garleans.
As much as a new MMO would be nice, don't want to have to play 2 MMOs.
I recall in an interview Yoshi P said he doesn't really want to work on another mainline FF for awhile. Because he's done so much story heavy stuff he really wants to do some story lite stuff to mix it up next
I am sure CBU3 might be involved in FF17 but I doubt Yoshi will volunteer for it unless he's downright ordered to head it.
Ishikawa is for sure already writing XVII
> She's totally not Tifa with grey hair bro!
my fist vs barry’s face
How is it possible that each time a Cid character exist, he's based?
I bet Charon was a smoking hot semen demon in her youth.
With an eyepatch to boot probably
>Jill spends huge parts of the game in the infirmary and doesn't say much when traveling with you.
>she writes you stupid letters as if Clive realistically isn't in the infirmary patiently waiting like a dog for her to speak to him
>they "fall in love" after 30 years with no conversation
Clive has enough time to entertain Mid and his Uncle, but not enough to talk with Jill. Come on.
Tbf I think they liked eachother since they were children.
I understand than, but the whole "interrupted before a kiss" is just such nonsense. They would have had to made camp on any of their journeys and had time alone. The idea that there's NO downtime pisses me off. Let them be girlfriend and boyfriend early.
>They would have had to made camp on any of their journeys and had time alone.
This was already shown in Eastpool, where they almost slept together.
Which is why they should've gotten together even earlier. Especially after Clive's trauma was settled. People who grieve are more likely to seek someone to be intimate with. The 5 year time gap but still getting interrupted and getting letters was so dumb. When you go talk to Tarja her dialogue implies Clive visits way too much. It's just all over the place.
I'd assumed they were banging through the 5 years
I agree it was weird of then to push most of it to the end.
You also have to understand that Clive and Jill did not have a normal upbringing at all. That’s why they’re so awkward around each other for a while, and the tension is mainly shown in small but still touchy gestures.
They wanted each other but didn’t know how to make the next step normally because there’s so much luggage on their shoulders.
Clive is the main culprit though. His martyr/messiah complex is so bad he said “frick my promises to Jill” and gambled his life to save everyone in the end.
And they never really unpacked that luggage. Exactly how much time did we spend getting to see them decompress from their 13 years of slavery? There was 13 years of it! It should've been oppressive all the baggage the player would've heard.
They didn't hook up sooner because Clive is a hover-handing emo. It looks like he even hurt Jill with his hesitation so she closed off a bit and focused on her duties too.
Only after the 30+ yo time skip did Clive start making moves.
The romance between Clive and Jill is very poorly done. Why? I'm not sure.
Would you frick Ultima if he turns into the girl you love the most?
six winged bluefrit or bust
Barnabas dlc? Also if they're doing another ff game have you switch between characters on the fly.
What better items could quests reward you with?
How can we make reinforcing actually worth getting all these useless crafting items?
How can we make parry feel better?
What other accessories could we have that's like the Berserker Ring?
Can we hope to get more slots for Eikon abilities?
How should sidequests be improved?
>What better items could quests reward you with?
Accessories should grant more interesting effects than "10% reduced cooldown" or "10% more will damage." Very few accessories do this. For example, here's one that could be good
>Rift Slip no longer stops time when used to cancel an action. Instead, your next attack deals 200% increased damage and Rift Slip's cooldown is reduced by 90%.
>How can we make reinforcing actually worth getting all these useless crafting items?
literally do exactly what nuGOW does. Each armor piece can be upgraded individually using crafting materials and you choose the armor pieces more for their unique effects than anything else.
They didn't show Ifrit and Shiva fighting side by side in fear of launching too many doujins
Transferring your eikonic power gives the strongest orgasm ever
>Jill came buckets into Clive
Confirmed Futawiener.
He looks kind of doglike so there may be some anyway.
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