Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
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>my commie head canon on capitalism
>company dump forever chemical in drinking water and choose to eat the fine instead of changing their ways when found out, will affect generations after generations cause it cannot be cleaned up from the environment
No, is real life capitalism, and you don't have to be a commie to see this.
I bet Deirdre has a thick bush and she doesn't wash often either.
In the novels Deirdre is a lesbian and wanted to frick the Col. Santiago that badly.
>Give her the grav tank
The novels were absolute shit though.
>canonical lesbian couple in 1999
never knew about the novels, thanks anon
>be santiago
>your naked body hangs limply in your chains
>your nerves are numb from the constant torture
>the door to your cell opens
>its deidre
>despite your hatred your body reacts to her presence
>you dont know how long youve been here, you dont know how many centuries your life is extended by the longevity vaccine
>all you know is that deidre forced you to orgasm until youre body reacts instinctively to her
Aki Zeta's for expansion, University or Hive for Original
>Why hive
Not as tech based but his desire to remould humanity into a hive like society with tech is pretty out there.
Kickass Blame! art by the way. I love how he does the setting but it would be nice to see the characters re-done with that kind of definition, not to replace the original but to supplement.
There is also a bit of an odd moment in the canon prologue story aboard the Unity where Deirdre stares admiringly at an unconscious Santiago and thinks of her as "a magnificent wild animal" or something like that.
Gee I wonder if the author has a thing for soft lesbian erotica.
>Lal still mourns for his dead wife
>Deidre is a raging dyke
>Zakharov is too intelligent for a gf
>Miriam is married to the Lord
>Yang doesn't see people as anything more than tools and flesh puppets
>Morgan loves wealth above all else
>>Lal still mourns for his dead wife
she's in stasis
loves wealth above all else
he had a wife back on earth and spent a lot of money on her
That is the blackest philosophy I have ever read
>By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
Boomercore
i dont get it
Malcolm X if he Black person.
who?
A chuddish antisemite.
Guy from unreal tournament.
It's the new term for Malcolmos/Malcolmas
black vergil?
Someone hire Dan Southworth on Cameo to read that.
The ethics of being a real g
sounds like a literal Boomer.
Only civ games I've played were civ 4 and beyond earth.
Which game is better, V or VI?
Neither. SMAC/SMAX.
VI but only if you like district autism and number go up
The sid/fireaxis games have rarely dropped in price on steam until years later.
Civ 6 was the fastest I've seen drop in price and I see sales all the time. Did it actually do badly?
>Did it actually do badly?
V was really popular and a lot of people who bought 5 bought it after years of expansions on sale for a reasonable price. VI has less civs, certain mechanics and victories that weren't in V and the only thing it really added was districts. This made a lot of people view the situation as "Why would I get 6 when I can get/keep playing 5 and wait until 6 actually has as much content as 5". Then on top of that the art was polarizing and there were performance issues. Over time the performance issues mostly got fixed, they reigned in a the art a little bit for new leaders (though now some early leaders who are more stylized look really out of place like Gandhi) and big expansions added features missing from V like diplomacy/diplomatic victories and added new features like loyalty and natural disasters. So it really wasn't until both big expansions came out that lots of people who liked V were willing to buy it so tl;dr yes I imagine the sales were disappointing for VI's launch considering how many people were playing V at the time.
V with the community balance patch mod is the best.
i'd play 6 since you played 4
5 forces you to have only 3 cities otherwise you lag behind, don't do it
I like 5 a lot more than 6, probably because 5 was my first civ so im biased but i have so many problems with civ 6.
I hate how districts decentralize cities, culture victory is fricking moronic, i think the pacing for the game is bad on all speeds, i hate the split tech tree, i hate how late game war works where you need oil PER TURN for every unit (including fricking basic infantry)
I can't get over the "it's current year" gender diversity quota shit for the leader selection and the historically irrelevant civs like Canada, Australia, Mapuche, and Cree.
>Australia
>irrelevant
They're literally the best asiatic and haji killers we've got.
We did not inherit Thule from our ancestors.
We have borrowed it from our children.
>Me waiting for a worthy successor multiple decades in a row
Civ Beyond Earth is really good now
Why did you even bother to lie so blatantly?
>sounds insane in context of Earth
>ends up being what almost everyone does on Planet
The brilliant part of Alpha Centari is how each faction is a combination of validity and caricature. Even Miriam's Believers, who are straight up fundies, end up having a very strong case against the abuses and perversions of the other factions, who in their extremes both achieve incredible feats and enact terrible atrocities.
We must dissent.
>We must dissent.
>Why didn't you dissent?
>[We are now here]
> we must dissent
> we dissent
> revolution.exe
> new thing
> we must dissent
> we dissent
> revolution.exe
> new thing
> we must dissent
> we dissent
> revolution.exe
> new thing
> we must dissent
> we dissent
> revolution.exe
> new thing
> we must dissent
> we dissent
> revolution.exe
> new thing
Irish women were a mistake
>And what of the immortal soul in such transactions? Can this machine transmit and reattach it as well? Or is it lost forever, leaving a soulless body to wander the world in despair? ~ Sister Miriam Godwinson,
>"We Must Dissent"
I feel like that cinematic would have been just as chilling if we didn't even see the ghost ship breaking away
Have the camera follow the ship, then slowly pan off to the starry void
Miriam's Believers only seem like fundies on a surface level until you realize they're every surviving Abrahamic religion united into a single faction and figure how much societal progress that must had taken to make a reality, even with Earth so severely depopulated.
I still don't get what her beef with Lal is though.
Miriam and Lal are similar in their desire to take it slow and be cautious but Lal doesn't want to be an extremist about it and Miriam does
Lal also places his faith in man and Miriam places her faith in God (or at least man under God) so Lal comes off as naïve because again, mankind has fricked things up and is fricking them up again
As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master
This is one of the best quotes in all of videogame history.
anon, jannies dont like if you post that
posting videogame quotes is bannable, chud. creating shitposting and porn threads isn't. Touch some grass.
The timestamp says it all
I got banned for DX quotes
Salute
>2014 so it's not on the archive
i would've loved to see why this resulted in a ban
newbie mod that was born after SMAC doesnt recognize the quote and thinks its politics outside of /misc/
Ah, the pre-2000's days of cyber-utopianism. If only they knew how hard the free flow of information would lobotomize the society into a new dark age of antivaxers, online witches or voodoo doctors and contrarian schizos.
>Complains about contrarian schizos whilst condemning the free flow of information because of "online witches" and "voodoo doctors"
Society has fallen
bro go build a rocket and strap yourself to it to prove the world is flat
What? You're insane, man.
>contrarian schizos
anon my entire team at work are anti-vaxers
Reminder that the shot is not a vax.
>2023
>thinking you got free flow of info
>NO IM OPPRESSED DAMMIT! I NEED TO BELIEVE IM OPPRESSED!
t. trannies every waking moment
>tries to sound smart when bootlicking corpocratic tyrants, proving Lel right
What a Genejack
>PEOPLE WANT TO AVOID THE CLOT SHOT IT'S LITERALLY A DARK AGE EVERYONE'S A NAZI SAVE ME FAUCIMANNNNNNN
I don't know if you're baiting or genuinely moronic, but either way you should have a nice day and I mean that sincerely
2 more weeks and I'll die from the shot, this time for sure!
>2 more weeks and I'll die from the shot, this time for sure!
No. Worse. You became trans. Sorry for your loss.
Both the people who act like everyone who took the memeshot will drop like flies by the millions and people who think its harmless are moronic
Truth is It really does have a relatively high risk of fatal blood clot, its up to you If you think the risk is greater than the virus
anti-vax was a thing before covid, you legitimate moron. Granola moms out there trying to say getting their kid a tetanus shot gave them autism. Existence does not revolve around the events of the year 2020 no matter what your takes and feelings are
>Granola moms out there trying to say getting their kid a tetanus shot gave them autism.
Someone should finally do a study on that so we can find out. Something about modern living is massively increasing autism rates.
no, we are just better at diagnosing autism
there are levels of autism too, you are possibly on the spectrum like most Gankerners
>>no, we are just better at diagnosing autism
of course, then you can sell them legal amphetamines
amphetamines are not a treatment for autism, as far as i am aware no medicine is prescribed for autism
i will agree that america does have an overprescribing problem but america is not the entire world yet autism continues to be diagnosed everywhere
Probably because even the slightest deviancy in socialibility or lack of care for certain normal subjects immediately gets a kid strung up under the autism label for how broad reaching its umbrella is.
yes, cuz autism is not a bad thing and it's actually more common than most people think
people hear autism and immediately think he's screeching or something not knowing that it's probably a low level of it and not bad enough to be a disability
The boomer's children are all pseudo-boomers themselves. Their grandchildren are homosexuals and cucks, and their great grandchildren are morons and trannies, often both. I think this is a fitting end for the west.
Genetic degeneration from a lack of selective pressures. We need a great big war.
>lack of selective pressures
nukes vaporize chad just as easily
The survivors of a nuclear war will be a thousand times stronger and genetically fit than those that perished. If we're not euthanizing the sick and deranged, we need to send them out to the slaughterhouse.
you're moronic, this is not how evolution works
You'll have a bunch of stunted, underfed goblins after a nuclear war, not gigachads. If that is how it worked all the countries stuck in decades of civil unrest wouldve been chad central
>You'll have a bunch of stunted, underfed goblins after a nuclear war, not gigachads. If that is how it worked all the countries stuck in decades of civil unrest wouldve been chad central
Yeah the average IQ in Africa would be like 130 by now if that's how it worked.
we dont need a war, if genetic degenerations is such a problem you could fix it yourself, you are here its clear you arent well adjusted and productive individual might as well practise what you preach and have a nice day homosexual.
That's not how you clean up a genepool anon, we need to wipe out every single weak, sick, dysgenic individual. If not through euthanasia, through conflict and conquest.
If liberty and free speech leads to trannies, I don't want it.
>Genetic degeneration from a lack of selective pressures. We need a great big war.
You can say that but you're making it up from nothing at least as much as the pre-covid antivaxers were.
Wars don't select for fitness you fricking moron, especially not modern wars. It's basically rng tier method of picking who survives or not
>free
7/10 bait made me reply, good effort
Do you feel free yet?
you are moronic zoomer who never experienced pre 2010 internet, what we have is a mockery of original internet and theres no free flow of information.
Pre-2010's internet was always just a stepping stone towards what we have now. Lemme guess, you're one of those libertarians/economic republicans that pearlclutches about mom and dad stores, even though Walmart was and will always be the natural conclusion of capitalism.
you are partially the reason internet sucks now, it was best when it was used by tech nerds, now its used as propaganda tools and filled with low iq morons like you
>Lemme guess, you're one of those libertarians/economic republicans that pearlclutches about mom and dad stores, even though Walmart was and will always be the natural conclusion of capitalism
>you either have to either abolish le capitalism or let It """"naturally"""" destroy small businesses, no other way around chud
>Why? Because you just have to, ok?
If you use the law to stop walmart from monopolizing everything you don't have a deregulated market anymore
They hated Jesus because He told them the truth.
The issue is the spread of "data" without the spread of wisdom
The antivaxxers were right and that simple truth is too painful for you to ever admit.
antivaxxers only? what about flat earthers
9/11 deniers (yes those exist, not that it's an inside job but it never happened) among other moronations (the year 2012 never happened)
All valid povs. They're not hurting anybody.
it's still absurd that those views exist during a time when you can google 99% of humanity's knowledge about the sciences for free
>the holocaust didn't happen but the earth is definitely round
If you're going for conspiracy theories you might as well go all the way.
pfft, you believe the earth is real?
Could you kindly stop baiting
But some of them are mutually exclusive.
>among other moronations (the year 2012 never happened)
Redpill me on this one lmao
i remember reading it on /misc/ and trust me OP wasn't shitposting
>2012 didn't happen, we skipped over it by switching dimensions before the world ends so we didn't die
>any memory you have of 2012 is fake, anything you got from 2012 is fake
>The dreaded nine "eleven" deniers
>what about flat earthers
well poisoning.
are you moronic?
flat earthers almost never come up, unless someone is talking about something else. its pretty nakedly transparent what is happening and why.
the point was mentioning moronic conspiracies, not to poison any well you moron
I wasn't accusing you of well poisoning, I was stating that flat earthers are used in that way, but you seem fairly defensive about it.
oh, i misunderstood then
i thought you didn't read the context
but yeah, pure schizos are indeed controlled opposition
Those morons were always around, the only difference is that the village idiots have all gotten together into their own idiot village.
how many jabs?
This gay literally and unironically thinks Yang would make the best society if tried irl.
YANG GANG
YANG GANG
YANG GANG
i think he is saying that people are moronic, nothing about vaccine mandates but rampant anti vaxxer nonsense that is dominating social media nowdays
>people are moronic so we have to censor them
>not autoritarian btw, just hate when people I don't like have rights.
he said nothing about censoring them, he said that the free flow of information did nothing but make people moronic (which in itself is a moronic statement as world literacy and education is at an all time high)
Yeah buddy, it's not like your ilk have been using vaccine "misinformation" as an excuse to try and censor/deplatform people or anything.
Of course if it did happen that would be a good thing I'm sure you agree. Totally not censorship though because it's for the greater good.
>being moronic is when you are skeptical of the pharmaceutical industry and when you think people trying to justify the violation of medical informed consent most likely have alterior motives.
quite, adults are speaking
Not an argument, dipshit. Explain why immunologists specifically get to ignore all the ethical rules regarding consent and extensive demonstration of high benefit vs risk that every other field of medicine has to follow before even RECOMMENDING a product or intervention.
>alterior
>quite
lol
lmao
neither of you should post for the foreseeable future
shut up
>hurr durr you made a spelling mistake!
And you say that there's no way that medical research fraud can't happen in defense of a company that paid a 2 billion dollar fine for research fraud.
jesus christ SHUT THE FRICK UP
NOONE CARES
NONE OF US ARE POLITICIANS, IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER I DON'T VOTE
THERE IS NO POINT TO THIS, GO CONVINCE SOMEONE WITH POWER SOMEWHERE ELSE
Don't start shitposting if you're not willing to follow up on your moronation then.
Ganker is the nucleus of the internet. What we say here matters more than the pundits on CNN. Deal with it or have a nice day.
>none of us are politicians
donald trump is literally in this thread
>NOTHING WE SAY MATTERS ANYWAY
Why is this the go-to cope for all the normoids when they fail to defend the official narratives they buy into?
>Ok yeah, it's bullshit but the powerful said so and we gotta do what they say!
Total sheep mentality.
if we were on /misc/ i'd respond to you and have a civilized discussion where we portray each other as the soi wojak, but this is a thread about a game I like so please cease and desist
At least drop the subject like a man instead of doing this passive aggressive act. Here I'll end the argument you started for you. Agree to disagree. There. Done. Frick off and bait discussions in a different thread.
>immediately starts screeching when he can't shut down his opposition
The only ones opposing free flow of information are the likes of you that would get dabbed on in a calm and rational discourse in a topic you're very emotional about because you consumed enough brain rotting propaganda to lash out whenever it is criticized or discussed in any fashion other than nodding heads and obeying. Despicable.
Did everyone forget when they spread heroine addiction on purpose? And tobacco addictions in the 50's?
Didn't happen and even if it did you deserve it.
>some people have critical thinking and dont want to take experimental drug which doesnt even work
>a lot of recent leaks proven government were corrupt, taking money from pharmaceutical companies to accept not tested drugs agreeing for one sided contract with 0 responsibility incase of side effects
>you get called flat earther or antivaxxer by morons if you point that out
can you go away? noone is trying to start an argument with you so quit forcing it
the thread is literally 1 autistic homosexual spamming his smac folder and quotes, nobody besides maybe 3 people on Ganker played that game and they all left 20 minutes ago.
there is 98 posters
>can't have an SMAC thread since some lil gay will have a cry about it
lel
clearly it was you who was crying you disingenuous homosexual
>n-no u!
Frick off homosexual, we're talking about VIDEO GAMES
theres no talk about gameplay here Black person
sage
>still doing it
are you going to keep b***hing about 1 OT post i made in your thread you samegayging Black person
>image
it saddens me how potent this tactic is
/misc/ plays into their hands, they don't even have to plant morons cuz /misc/ and /x/ will do it for free
we can't point out how hollywood abuses kids, cuz you get accused of being a moron that thinks pizzagate is real
it's so tiresome
how was pizzagate not real
it's not how child trafficing works, and served as nothing more than a red herring as the real pedos get to claim "tinfoil hat!" to anyone pointing out that they are pedos
go to the pizzaria in question yourself if you want, it's not there
it was real and the shooter was a fed plant, as usual
Ah yes, the violent criminal who shoots one single bullet directly into the hard drive of the only computer in the building and then sits down and waits for arrest is completely normal.
Same for the man who somehow snuck more than fifty rifles and hundreds of pounds of ammo up into a populated hotel just to shoot down through a shatter proof window randomly into a concert crowd.
Don't forget to get your mind stapl-i mean Tesla brain chip!
moron
By posting this meme you are helping the glow Black folk. Mixing moronic shit like aliens and past lives in with actually real and well documented shit like emergence of de facto monopolies via aquisition and government studies on manipulation of social consensus.
yea i agree that picture sucks dick i didnt actually want to post it after reading all that moronic shit which got included in top panel, got distracted clicked post and it was too late
The issue is the whole NWO/mark of the beast/sterilization injection grand conspiracy instead of the more reasonable idea that it's an experimental drug widely adopted and pushed to assuage public fears with additional financial benefits to people in power.
>could never figure out if Yang was a disembodied head bolted onto an agrav platform or that was some kind of psychic neckbrace that he uses to control the plebs
We need to create context
>Supporting corpos and the authoritarian state to how le chuds
>Supporting corpos and the authoritarian state to how le chuds
Not saying it's ok or a good idea but that's exactly what the right did when they were culturally dominant. The pendulum of McCarthyism finally swung all the other way.
an actual smart take on Ganker, i was starting to think those don't exist anymore
That's fine. Stupid needs to have ways to exit the system. Maybe we should promote more antivaxx. Those dumb enough to buy it should die.
it really is natural selection
>never got vaxxed
>never got covid
>every single person I know that vaxxed got covid, their friends and friends of their friends and families
You keep saying that we'll die out, but it just doesn't happen. If the faccine is not effective, what is the point in taking it? And if it is effective, why did the people get sick anyway?
>If the faccine is not effective, what is the point in taking it?
Control and lining the pockets of big pharma. Funny how all of the fricking libtards and communists who hates big corporations are supporting the most corrupt corporations in big pharma.
>And if it is effective, why did the people get sick anyway?
Cause it doesn't work? An actual vaccine needs 10 years of testing and development for it to be safe. You can't make a vaccine that works in a year. Trump showed his true colours with Operation Warp Speed and hiring Fauci. He's just a israelite puppet.
Pic related. It's why ~~*they*~~ forced an unsafe vaccine on the masses.
Go back to your containment board
Have a good day genejack.
Man i get what you're saying, but i have a question.
Did it hurt when you got nerve stapled?
I do not set aside my values or opinions at your leisure, homosexual.
The only point was slowing down early covid until it took on a weaker form.
Everything else is greed.
>The only point was slowing down early covid until it took on a weaker form.
Everything else is greed.
The vax doesn't and never has reduced transmission to any measurable degree. It didn't and couldn't slow covid down at all.
There is no increase in people believing in conspiracy theories despite what you assume.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0270429
not him but indeed, i think they just got more vocal due to social media now and bored news "reporters" making clickbait articles cuz of a single post on twitter or reddit
This quote is transphobic, and doesn't jive with the new democracy we're building. Sorry bud, but the days that white men rules over us is over.
Nobody will stop the white supremacy of UN Commissioner Pravin Lal! Nobody!
So post-ironic he wouldn’t even recognize himself in the mirror.
Look at all the gays in here who have never even played this game. Look at those who did, but never understood a moment. Look at me, the most foolish of all.
We shall all be fools, together.
>Implying the current hyper-corporatization of media isn't just a natural outcome of Lal-esque idealism
He is still right you know
So was he right, or was the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo right
Morally, he was right.
Practically, the Patriots were. A free flow of information is only beneficial if the information is accurate. What we have now is democratized propaganda. You have access to infinite information, but no way to tell what is true or false.
Of course, relying on benign tyrants is both cowardly and foolish. So I guess they're both right, they're both wrong, and I can't remember what the question was
guy is an antisemitic white supremacist nazi chud
Might be the most anti-semitic thing I’ve seen in a video game
Look at who's saying it and tell me they don't support Palestine
Knowing that Snowden played games and Greenwald mentioned they formed a not insignificant part of his moral psyche, it's reassuring to know this quote is something he all but certainly encountered and agreed with.
this line even more so, because this one we see is happening right now.
>happening right now
who is keeping you from accessing information? and no not being allowed to say Black person on twitter doesn't count
Censorship and book burning are good things, as long as the right people are doing it. Every political ideology agrees, but those on the left fail to realize that they are the wrong people.
Perfectly describes the left and american "liberals." They're just plain, censorship-loving authoritarians now.
i used to think that people should be allowed to say what they want, but i'm starting to see people actually dying from online disinformation, namely medical shit
i'm starting to see boomers invading the cancer forum i browse (i have cancer) and shilling psuedo science treatments for cancer like ivermectin and essential oils
this shit is absolutely out of hand, the least companes can do is allow you to correct it like the reader added insight twitter and facebook have
Let's not forget the rise of trannies predating upon and grooming minors, the mentally ill, and other vulnerable persons. A righteous society would not allow this to happen and would persecute, silence, and eradicate this poisonous, degenerate ideology.
>Sacrificing liberty (freedom of information) for temporary security
Huh, looks like we're heading to the Big Brother future sooner than I thought. Recently saw another poll where the majority voted for more surveillance if it made them safer
We live in a collectivized world. Either you side with a benevolent authority or get crushed by a malevolent one. The time for naive moronic libertarianism is over.
>benevolent authority
There's no such thing, you stupid cuck. No one in the west is allowed to speak about african immigration being destructive and racial differences. You're the one that's naive.
You are not intelligent enough or benevolent enough yourself to imagine what a benevolent authority would be like. There's a reason libertarians tend to be very low IQ on average. The only prominent high IQ ones are ridiculously rich, so they imagine themselves shielded from the fallout of a malevolent collectives attack.
>There's a reason libertarians tend to be very low IQ on average
kek at the headcanon inversion of reality. Actually, libertarians are consistently at the top of ideological iq studies.
>can't imagine what an benevolent authority would be like
Becuse it can't exist, at least if humans are going to be in charge.
>muh disinfo
The pseudo vax has killed tens of millions, and Ivermectin is an effective treatment for severe covid. The government and their propaganda outlets are very rarely truthful or right. Anyway, sorry about your cancer, bro.
i too skip my medications in the morning
Yeah, I see that.
People who end up falling prey to false information and destroying themselves due to it deserve to perish. If anything, we need more freedom of information so that people have more opportunities to destroy themselves so these morons who are easily misled fail to reproduce and die off
I don't know if ivermectin helps against covid, but it doesn't hurt. It's essentially impossible to have a nice day with it, we don't even know what a lethal dose of ivermectin is because the worst that ever happens, even on insanely huge doses, is some vomiting and diarrhea. The covid vax, on the other hand, can actually kill you, and like all injected vaccines against all viruses that enter via the respiratory tract, it does absolutely nothing to stop transmission. Getting a shot for the flu has never even once in history prevented a case of the flu either. Antibodies in your bloodstream quite literally do nothing to prevent the spread of a disease in the respiratory pathway. This has been known for a long time and is likely the reason that the authorities pretended for so long not to know that covid 19 is respiratory virus.
>Perfectly describes the left and american "liberals." They're just plain, censorship-loving authoritarians now.
It does but if you aren't underaged you should remember that it was exactly the other way around up to about 20 years ago. The elites just use whichever faction is culturally dominant as their vehicle for restricting information. Throughout the cold war, Reagan, up until the liberals decisively won the culture war, the right was completely on board with all different flavors of authoritarianism and censorship.
Even now you can find tons of conservatives saying that when and if they find themselves in power, they intent to support every kind of censorship against liberals and the left. Liberals and conservatives are both very obviously controlled opposition for the corporate elites.
I don't get it
How different is Alpha Centauri from Civ 4? I've been meaning to get around to playing it for years but learning is hard.
Not too different, although it's more like Civ 2 or 3
Just play on lower difficulties and fiddle with the settings to find the ones you want and don't want, you can finetune a LOT in Alpha Centauri, from game settings to individual units to entirely custom factions
You'll get the hang of it
Well, for starters, it's Civ 2 and not 4. So write that down...
I know but I haven't played Civ 2
Unhappiness system is different IIRC and there's no strategic resources. Other than that it's not radically different. I think maintenance costs works different in civ 4 too, can't really remember.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
-- Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7. Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. (TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED)
The epistemological principle of disregarding all arbitrary assertions is a prerequisite for staying within the bounds of rationality.
Otherwise known as "ytilanoitar fo sdnuob eht" to the scientists watching you fog and write on the glass of your brain jar (thanks to your latent psychic abilities)
You can't fool me, I was born in the shadow of a Chinese room on a cave wall in a butterflyman's dream
I liked the chink guy
Tyranny, you say?
I legit think that most people say that they wouldn't want to be a drone for vanity only, otherwise they wouldn't act like they do. Same goes for freedom, everyone claims that he needs it, but would gladly trade it for comfort.
Everyone wants to be comfortable in some respect, but you can't rely on other people 100% of the time to give you the comfort you need, they're never going to be that in tune with each other
Except if you go the hivemind route, which is a whole other can of mindworms, or the drone route by reducing their needs to bare essentials which sometimes doesn't take either (and forms the Free Drones)
I wonder why this guy didnt take a science malus, he pretty much kills serendipity
Hive scientists either do science or they get sent to the punishment spheres
And if the quotes are anything to go by the Hive does some interesting science right up until the endgame
putting a gun to someone's head to do science doesnt really speed it up. It would only cause competition, idea theft and short projects designed to get quick successes. Would make more sense than -1 economy.
It's not stated in the game but the Hive is entirely immune to efficiency issues; Yang is watching everyone so closely that problems like that are quashed because individuals are crushed in service of the state
It's not wholly realistic (you did basically describe IRL China and these are the Hyper Chinese) but we are dealing with a guy who turns proles into Genejacks and feeds smart people into Virtual Worlds, he's a control freak exaggerated to make Orwell blush
The economy thing I'd chalk up to how insular the Hive is, even though the description for it says "little political freedom" which doesn't seem as related
I mean, the xpac introduced literal Gankerners as a potential response to that kind of thing so they probably had more foresight than you'd think
The chinese had problems during their nuclear program because mao tried exactly that, put a gun to their head and demand a nuke. Only when he gave them some space to breathe did they get shit done.
The game's economics are a bit weird. Its only when I learned more about america that I realized its basically some weird wienertail of libertarianism objectivism and shareholder supremacy. Thats why the free market social engineering choice nukes your policing value. And why most choices that increase economics have to do with freedom. It is built upon the idea that entrepreneurship requires a lot of individual freedom and that drives the economy. At the same time stuff that reduces freedom often costs efficiency rather than economy (although efficiency also ends up reducing your income).
It would be nice if SMAC2 would have a bit more sensible modifiers. Like policing and pacifism not being on 2 ends of the same modifier
>putting a gun to someone's head to do science doesnt really speed it up.
Depends whose head you put it to. Menacing scientists probably wont do anything, menacing homosexuals that hoard resources or act uncooperative towards other departments might.
>give them the T
How is it possible to tyrannize someone that feels no pain?
then he shouldn't be screaming when i capture him and torture him
My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
Chairman Sheng-ji Yang, "Essays on Mind and Matter"
The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil
When did you stop being a redditor atheist and realized Miriam was right Ganker?
Miriam fricking spawned next to me and declared war before either of us had developed beyond scout patrols.
Were you playing as university?
If so, they are mortal enemies and she's hard coded to pretty much decalre war within a couple of turns of finding her.
Miriam is my favorite leader in SMAC but I still remain atheist.
I never doubted her because I think science and spirituality/religion are not incompatible.
Also I really like to hack people and steal their technologies lamo
>start out with social psych
>set up to get the first secrets tech
>gets no tech progress for the first 10 turns
LMAO
I’m still an atheist, never stopped being one. No one visit Reddit though.
If you're too sick for school, you're too sick for video games.
Frick you mom.
I wish BE was anywhere near this good.
>no giant gromit taking the place of joi
mary had a little lamb,
little lamb,
little lamb.
mary had a little lamb
whose fleece was white as snow
final transmission
I still think about the Dream Twister quite a lot
>cable with 800 channels on an alien hellhole planet
There's something very funny about this not even getting into how funny the video itself is.
>Black folk in charge of low time preference
Has anyone ever drawn a parody of the Libertarianism "Don't Tread On Me" flag except the snake is a mindworm?
Someone should
Youll take the "I cant remember the name high" parody and like it.
Cromartie High
That's pretty good but we've had that one since forever
Its probably almost as old as this site. I legit dont remember a time when SMAC threads havent had it posted at least once.
I miss bullying Toady.
I liked the church lady, but holy frick the research debuffs are insane.
Kill your neighbours and take their research
Miriam is mostly used for rushing since her units are strongest early game.
Find zak early and enslave him to be your research b***h.
SMAC is very good about factions knowing when they've lost and trying to vassalize rather than die.
You steal tech good at least. You're very strong early game.
what's the best way to play SMAC these days anyway
Imagine if Praxis put the amount of effort into Beyond Earth as they did meticulously looking for minority civ leaders for Civ6
they completely missed the point of SMAC and even with 10x more effort it would still be shit
>"Mary had a little lamb Little lamb little lamb,
Mary had a little lamb, whose fleece was white as snow." ~Assassins' Redoubt - Final Transmission
How is he wrong?
t. economics experts
It only works if you can manage to build a rocket to travel to the next habitable planet before you run out.
Sounds pretty easy once you get the hang of it.
>once you get the hang of it.
I have often been asked: if we have traveled between the stars, why can we not launch the simplest of orbital probes? These fools fail to understand the difficulty of finding the appropriate materials on this Planet, of developing adequate power supplies, and creating the infrastructure necessary to support such an effort. In short, we have struggled under the limitations of a colonial society on a virgin planet. Until now.
„
~ Col. Corazon Santiago,
"Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"
I kinda hate that they couldn't make Miriam more sympathetic. Because she very clearly is evil. Yeah she makes good points in "We must dissent", but you must always remember that it explicitly says she is just a propagandist trying to lure people into her just as totalitarian and intolerant cult. Could have been a nice change of pace if she was more hippy-dippy, but I guess that would infringe on Deidre's turf. I guess they could have leaned in more heavily to the "we will fricking kill you with mind worms" angle for Gaians and made the Believers more of a pacifist-defensive civ.
The whole point is that everyone is evil because extremism is evil.
Yeah, but Lal and Deidra literally aren't evil in the slightest, and I'd argue Spartans are basically neutral if not leaning-good.
>lal
he's the only good leader.
>deidre
full on ecoterrorist
>corazon
her aggression caused the unity to collapse in the first place. Maybe she's neutral in her intent, but the result is a faction that increases the amount of death and suffering
>full on ecoterrorist
But she's right by the logic of the story. Earthlings killed their own planet and now they have spread to potentially kill another planet like a cancer. Any logic about being humane and diplomatic doesn't make sense when you consider that the mindworms and the planet are also sapience beings and the humans are invading them.
>muh evil
Grow up
>im a teenager and i just discovered nihilism
>Clearly evil
How exactly?
Everything she does is for God. Is that the problem you see?
what a shitty take
mirian starts off as schizo, you think who the frick is religious when we are in space? then you start seeing the atrocities everyone is committing and now the planet is alive and suddenly she makes fricking sense
>the spartans sneaking onto the ship and going apeshit woke them up
where did you read that?
>already started talking to deidre on the ship
i knew about that
>mfw yang is the reason the brethren moons in deadspace exist
>It is every citizen's final duty to go into the tanks and become one with all the people.
even as a kid that quote creeped me the frick out
the thought is fricked up, and i don't even need the dead space implication for this kek
Then you'd better not read the book they took the quote from.
This book gave me the chills worse than most anything else. Fricked up.
>get in the fricking tank
>Get in the fricking tank Shinji
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/96102-sid-meiers-alpha-centauri/faqs/7985
>For those of you who have no idea what this is supposed to be, this small section was made to inform you. I DID NOT write any of this story. If I did, it would be called "fanfiction." Instead, this story was written by Firaxis and distributed from its web site. It was made for the sole purpose of giving the wonderful game of alpha Centauri a story. In the game manual, they only give you some of it. This is the COMPLETE version of the story. If this still doesn't clear it up, let me know, and I'll see what I can do.
>"As you may know by now I was released from the cryosleep by a self-executing agent placed into your system by a...friend back on Earth. I and fifty of my companions are members of the Spartan Coalition...do you know of us?"
too much soul, it hurts how we will never have a game like this again
Kino read
>ATROCITY
Post the complete picture, please
>What's more important, the data or the jazz? Sure, sure, 'Information should be free' and all that—but anyone can set information free. The jazz is in how you do it, what you do it to, and in almost getting caught without getting caught. The data is 1's and 0's. Life is the jazz.
>DLC homies on their way to have 2 quotes each
Feels like her faction was an attempt at making an anarchist faction of some kind. Or maybe one dev wanted an anarchist faction and one wanted hackers and this is what we got as a compromise. I just don't buy a loose conglomerate of hackers getting together and making hovertanks. Still fun to play though.
I never really understood her factions political ideology? Was it just the same as the Peacekeeping forces just more hackery? I got her concept it was like 70s blaxploitation aesthetic and it was hacking and techno heavy but I never really understood what they thought the world would be like or what their society was like? They just kept talking about jazz
>By creating a planetary network, mankind on Planet now has the ability to share information at light-speed. But by creating a single such network, each faction has brought themselves closer to discovery as well. At the speed of light, we will catch your information, tag it like an animal in the wild, and release it unharmed—if such should serve our purposes.
>Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
— Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "For I Have Tasted the Fruit" (Accompanies discovery of the "Intellectual Integrity" tech)
>The popular stereotype of the researcher is that of a skeptic and a pessimist. Nothing could be further from the truth! Scientists must be optimists at heart, in order to block out the incessant chorus of those who say "It cannot be done."
>"Now it's day and night the irons clang, and like poor galley slave. We toil and toil, and when we die, must fill dishonored graves.
But some dark night, when everything is silent in the town. I'll shoot those tyrants one and all, I'll gun the flogger down. I'll give the land a little shock, remember what I say, And they'll yet regret they've sent Jim Jones in chains to Botany Bay."
~ Jim Jones on Traditional
Foreman Domai is really the only good xpac faction
I don't want to hear one word from SvenBlack folk
Sven is fun gameplay wise but he's 100% the most squandered potential of the DLC factions, possibly factions as a whole, for his actual philosophy.
pretty much felt like they wanted a sea faction first, ideology second
I find it fun that he has no ideology its just "Brand new world? Frick it, lets be pirates"
>he has no ideology
the entire point of SMAC is that its ideologydriven.
Could it be said that his lack of ideology is an ideology in of itself? Apathetic anarchy?
What is it? Is it just we should live at sea? Genuine question as I never had any idea I dont play him and he never appears in my games.
return to crab
Oceans are dangerous. A challenge. You aren't really living unless you challenge yourself and your society. Adversity keeps you sharp. Or so I'm spitballing. I can't say I've played the expansion much, I don't really like the new factions (particularly the aliens).
are dangerous. A challenge
its the exact opposite. The sea is better for humans than land
Nice try, dolphin
>t. giant squid
What little we get is that he wants to be free and strong, which happens to involving living at sea (kinda makes sense, leave him uncontested long enough and he stays that way)
So he's basically Santiago but with boats instead of guns
That's sort of the issue with the xpac factions, they're all spinoffs of the original factions in a sense which could be an interesting idea but the game isn't really built for that, they're treated as equals to the other factions when it doesn't make sense in a lot of ways
And then there's the alien factions that are a little interesting but don't really matter at all in any way
>they're treated as equals to the other factions when it doesn't make sense in a lot of ways
Thats definitely my issue with them. The biggest example of this is the Data Angels to me. They just come off as a smaller hacking group, with a singular base, rather than an entire faction colonizing and creating cities and spreading over the planet. Because we don't really see a lot of their politcal ideologies, we just constantly hear about free flow of information and revealing secrets and doing it with jazz. We know they wanna hack other factions databases and allow that information to be out in the open and accessed by anyone, but we don't really know how their cities run, what their opinion on religion is, etc. They don't really fit the whole "lets colonize this planet" theme they just more seem like a minor nuiscance trying to disrupt stuff, but you can't really play them as that due to how the game works.
data angels would make more sense as a 1 city rebel faction. Something you can vassalize or trade with or pay to attack other factions. Would be neat if they would pop up after a certain amount of time/certain tech is researched.
It got shilled pretty aggressively on Ganker. I guess they're going for the expansion milking audience now
It would've been cool if they had some unique text interludes that dealt with having suddenly become a faction on par with the rest of them, the faction leader having to sit down and actually figure out what the hell they're trying to accomplish
I feel like if AC ever got a sequel or remade or something they'd go with the city state model later Civ games used, though maybe they could grow in power and eventually become real factions if you don't keep them in line
What custom graphics do you use?
You do use custom graphics, right?
Just a picture of uncle H.
>It would've been cool if they had some unique text interludes that dealt with having suddenly become a faction on par with the rest of them, the faction leader having to sit down and actually figure out what the hell they're trying to accomplish
could be neat if you could have a revolution. And every faction has a revolution faction they can turn into. For example if you have a ton of sea bases as the spartans you can get a revolt that turns you into the pirates, or if you use a ton of worms as gaians you might turn into the cult of planet.
Yeah in modern games they'd 100% be city-states/risen barbarians rather than full playable factions.
I SAID SHUT UP NOT ME
ONLY ME IS ALLOWED TO EXIST BECAUSE ME IS ME
EVERYTHING MUST BE ME
shut up genejack
WHY WON'T YOU JUST BE ME
I mean even that is ideologically driven the issue is that he's simple and they didn't explore it. The DLC factions are breakaways from main game factions so it follows that he's the breakaway from Santiago and he should've been even more extreme survivalist and actually be legitimate about being individualist. Sven should've leaned way into this quote
>A ship at sea is its own world. To be the captain of a ship is to be the unquestionable ruler of that world and requires all of the leadership skills of a prince or minister.
>Col. Corazon Santiago, "Leadership and the Sea"
Each base is merely a loose association of vessels, with every square foot having a different owner willing to lease area for hookers and space booze so they can become more independent off plundered riches. Ultimately they sell off their shacks, buy their own boat, and sail for the great beyond past the tides of monsters.
Each ship is a nation unto its own, and Sven is the man who can muster and unite them.
I feel all the DLC factions didn't reach their potential in terms of their concept due to the lack of content, specifically lack of quotes. I think with the exception of Cult of Planet they were all gameplay idea first, ideology second.
Very much this. Most of their lore & ideologies are paper thin & usually outright moronic, especially compared to the original 7 who are rock solid and play off each other perfectly.
(Never got the dlc for precisely that reason)
I get what they were trying to go for which were offshoots of original factions but they shouldn't have been full factions because they have no ideology regarding growing as a nation. They should have been story baed offshoots that happen naturally in the game over time and grow no more than a single city.
Some of them kind of do, but the problem is that they don't deviate enough from the original faction to warrant being there to begin with
>Cha Dawn is militant, insane Deidre
>Sven is Santiago with boats
>Aki-Zeta is cybernetics policies, which is something everyone can do
I'd argue that Domai brings something new to the table but he's still an amalgam of the originals, just nice in comparison
And then there's Roze who is an actual meme faction
It'd be less of an issue if they had more lore behind them but they get maybe three quotes apiece and they're mostly generic crap and empty platitudes
>Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?
I liked this quote. Never thought of that argument before playing this game.
>Men in their arrogance claim to understand the nature of creation, and devise elaborate theories to describe its behavior. But always they discover in the end that God was quite a bit more clever than they thought.
>Information, the first principle of warfare, must form the foundation of all your efforts. Know, of course, thine enemy. But in knowing him do not forget above all to know thyself. The commander who embraces this totality of battle shall win even with inferior force.
Canonically got WORMED by Skye
>awaken in the darkness of the punishment sphere
>they're dumping more rapeworms in through the feeding tube
>constantly being raped by mindworms that also project mental images of the same thing happening to all of your beloved underlings in other spheres.
>Deirdre achieves transcendence, this is your eternal hell until entropy destroys the universe.
Wtf Reynolds too far.
Doesn't she still get quotes after the "Our Secret War" story wraps up? I don't think the timeline supports the theory that she dies with the fall of Sparta HQ.
isnt our secret war the capital move quote? its hard to pinpoint the relative timeline of all the quotes, but i think deidre wins, she ends up having quotes for longer than santiago, and its hard to find anything else that couldve killed snatiago.
sounds like something an ecoterrorist would say.
Nope, Santiago quotes go to about tech level 5 and then disappear. Miriam quotes end a bit later, endgame is mostly Gaians and University.
>Deidre was the first to canonically walk the path of transcendence as per the quotes
>Zakharov in all his autism was the one to have actually woken Planet up leading to the slow ramping up as all biological defense systems get kicked into overdrive
>political affiliations and mindsets melt away as the fronts shift into the metaphysical and downright spiritual
Its disappointing that Miriam bowed out as early as she did. Would've been interesting to see how strong her faith stands in the face of alien god. Yang too but his would've been a battle of dominance.
fun to imagine Miriam getting Planet to believe in Jesus
>Man has killed man from the beginning of time, and each new frontier has brought new ways and new places to die. Why should the future be different?
>What do I care for your suffering? Pain, even agony, is no more than information before the senses, data fed to the computer of the mind. The lesson is simple: you have received the information, now act on it. Take control of the input and you shall become master of the output.
>If our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras, perhaps this is simply a sign of our maturity as a sentient species. As our collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are at last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only purpose is life itself.
>Technology conditions society. The range of possible human activities, as set by the state of technical progress, always serves to define what form society can take. The danger is that such progress may permit or even require society to assume an unhealthy form. What does it profit a man if he masters the physical universe, but in so doing loses his soul?
>Once a man has changed the relationship between himself and his environment, he cannot return to the blissful ignorance he left. Motion, of necessity, involves a change in perspective.
>Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed has followed us to the stars and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.
This quote has been living rent free in my head for years.
Because, like many of the early game establishing quotes (when they're less extremist), its 100% true. It is completely impossible to remove economic considerations, simple opportunity cost analysis, from human behavior until you do the impossible and remove scarcity.
Its why the communist mindset is functionally impossible, for everyone to be equal you'd have to lobotomize your citizenship and make it impossible for them to individually attribute relative value.
Same. It's because it's true, even if his other quote is repugnant (the got mine! Frick the future! one). There's a lot of grist for the lintellectual mill in SMAC.
>living rent free
Typical communist, willingly chooses to be "exploited" and then has the gall to complain about it.
>Wealth is the universe's way of rewarding those who are clever and efficient. Those who scorn it are turning their backs on the imperatives of life.
You may laugh but this is how a lot of thirdies view geopolitics
>In the great commons at Gaia's Landing we have a tall and particularly beautiful stand of white pine, planted at the time of the first colonies. It represents our promise to our people, and to Planet itself, never to repeat the tragedy of Earth.
>You see in this dome the intermingling of native and Earth plants. Outside, they are competitors, struggling over the trace elements required for life. Often, one destroys the other. Here, they are tended with care and kept well nourished. They thrive together, and the native fungus does not unleash its terrible defenses. As you can see, competition is unnecessary when resources are plentiful and population growth is controlled.
>and population growth is controlled
Deidre is an eco fascist larping as a hippy.
>Those who join us need only give up only half of their humanity—the illogical, ill-tempered, and disordered half, commonly thought of as 'right-brain' functioning. In exchange, the 'left-brain' capacities are increased to undreamed potentials. The tendency of Biologicals to cling instead to their individual personalities can only be attributed to archaic evolutionary tendencies.
>You now remember that her faction exists
>The question I pose to you is simple. Who is to be the master, you or the bits of talented meat that secrete hormones for you? Your glands are the product of aeons of evolution, and they are not to be scorned, but neither are they to be obeyed blindly.
>Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future.
is this why chrome uses all of my ram?
>Let the others fight their religious wars and bicker over the scraps of the Unity. At sea, you can face down the elements and win battles worth winning. At sea, you can find treasure the like of which the land-huggers will never know. At sea, you can be free, really free for the first time in your life.
>stay out at sea enjoying the plethora of aqua nutrients and minerals
>don't need to engage in autism wars and war crimes on the land with the rest of the jobbers
>only things that you need to watch out for are the council votes for sea level changes
>"Land-huggers could be here" he thought.
>"I've never been on this planet before. Land-huggers could be anywhere".
>The sea... vast, mysterious... and full of wealth! And the nations of Planet send their trade across it without a thought. Well, the sea doesn't care about them, so it lets them pass. But we can give the sea a little hand in teaching the landlubbers a lesson in humility.
>Without our work, nothing is built. Without our work, no wealth is gathered. Without our work, no secrets are discovered. Without our work, no base can be defended. Now you tell me: why should our work be taken for the benefit of others?
>The managers always talked about having the view from 30,000 feet. The only problem with having the view from 30,000 feet, is that at that height, everyone looks like ants.
>Mankind has been blind for thousands of years—for all of its history. We have come to a place whose wonders are a hundred-fold more amazing than anything on Earth. Around us is clear evidence of the will of a higher power. I bring the Vision to the blind eyes of men. I bring the Word to the deaf ears of men. I will make them see it. I will make them hear it. The ancient Chinese had a name for it: Feng Shui. We call it energy flow. It is the same thing, the same thought: energy is everywhere, but only a fraction of it is tapped by humans for their purposes. Now the Progenitors have taught us that we can tap not only our own latent abilities, but the latent abilities of the Universe itself.
Humans were unfortunate enough to evolve on a world in which they comprised the most intelligent and powerful species. Thus the overwhelming arrogance wired into them, to imagine gods in their own image and then discard them when they become inconvenient. That will not be possible here. Make no mistake, Planet itself is a sleeping god, and when it wakes there will be apocalypse.
Any game compares to alpha centauri?
I just play my own custom National Socialist faction. Simple as.
Anyway to get SMAC and Crossfire to run on modern systems?
Doesn't the GOG version work just fine?
GoG works
>My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?
>be genejack
>my job is to tighten the bottom screw on the pistolgrip of the laserrifle 14 hours a day
>1 hour per day is feeding/washing
>7 hours per day is sleeping
>get 2 hours of free time
>kinda tightening that one screw all day, but im not allowed to
>go to my cell and boot up Ganker.planetnet
>open my wojack and pepe folder
>post them all night together with my 60 IQ posts
>get (You)s, people must like me
>go to bed
i love how they justify their crimes against existence
brainlet, existence recognices no crimes
I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.
I still find it mindblowing how much thought and personality SMAC factions had put into them. Especially when you contrast them with something like Civilization: Beyond Earth.
A lot of that wild west ideological stuff don't really work today anymore. For example, the Deirdre's weird hippie stuff, Prokhor's I-fricking-love-science and Lal's generic liberal world order all kind of blended together into generic mainstream center-left politics, while Godwinson's devotion and anti-intellectualism, Santiago's fetishization with strength, and Morgan's frick-you-got-mine attitude are essentially your average facebook addicted republican uncle.
Yeah modern politics doesn't really have that nuance anymore you're either fully left and everything that comes with it or fully right and everything that comes with it. Even centricism is dwindling.
Yang is basically the only guy that really remains truly unique and feeling like an exploration of a idea(only the collective/species matter) after all those years.
He is also the only one that avoids the issue here .
Meant for
but we are not a hive, his views are unique for sure but frick man i am not a thought in a brain
i am a human, not part of a hivemind
Ever thought about all the electrical signals the world is being bombarded with in order to achieve wifi? Now combine that with static electricity and our brains functioning through nerves which function through electrical signals. It's not so farfetched to consider that sometimes the thoughts of someone in your area get mixed up with yours.
existence and the fact that i will one day cease to exist are terrifying enough without that possibility in my head
The undertone of the whole story is how almost all of them are actually pretty horrible; Godwinson was the most right but gave up and tele-suicided.
>Miriam led the last of her flock into a teleporter and never returned
>Yang died in the central hive with the rest of his people
>Santiago was raped by Dierdre's mindworm swarms
>Lal cloned his dead wife and killed himself after she eventually died again
Can't remember what happened to the rest of them.
>Morgan got shook by how people reacted when they discovered what his private research labs were up to
>Zakharov shot his load directly into Planet's brain after becoming so enraged about whatever happened at Lab 13 he swore revenge on Planet
>Deidre probably won, though in the short stories it was a threeway tie between her, Lal and Yang, of all people
And then there's the xpac factions but who cares lmao
What would it be like if Lal won, ignoring current year politics? I love that he tried really hard to be the classical idealist.
Democratic ending:
>The transit shuttle rolls on its axis and you are treated to your first view of Planet from orbit since you left the Unity over 12 centuries ago. Through the whitish haze of the atmosphere, the oceans have the same deep vibrant blue, and you can easily make out the violet-orange of the major fungal forests. A sharp line of green marks the edges of the ever-growing Human Zones, and here and there a glint of silver reveals some major metropolis. Blue, red, green and silver, the colors of Planet--mile after mile out to the curve of the horizon.
>The docking thrusters fire and you hear the airlock bolts thud into place. You have arrived at the new orbital Planetary Headquarters to assume leadership of the fledgling Executive Council. Not a word has been heard from Earth in all the years since Planetfall, so one can only presume that you and your colleagues now preside over all that is left of humankind.
>All of the remaining faction leaders have at last agreed to unite, putting aside the last vestiges of faction rivalry. All of the true enemies have been vanquished, those of your former colleagues who refused to unite for the common good, who foolishly place ideology ahead of humanity's survival. The human race has at last achieved the Unity of which the U.N. Interstellar Colonization Agency dreamed so long ago.
>The growing fungal neural net will be the first issue humanity must confront as a united species. After a period of quiescence, the fungal forests are on the march again, now with an almost devious cleverness behind them. Planet is clearly awakening, and it remains to be seen whether humans will even be allowed to maintain a foothold on the surface. You realize, though, as the airlock hisses open and you step into a floating nation of 100,000 souls, that in the long run one world is of only passing significance. Humanity owns the stars once again, and the stars will ever after be its true home.
Frick yeah, humanity!
Isn't that the entire point, though? Planet IS the Wild West, it starts out untamed and everyone wants to fill it with a new kind of civilisation that the Old World didn't have
Except you get to see what those ideas result in when everything is run by extremists taking things to their logical, terrifying conclusions thanks to technology and aliens
AC is compelling because it does more than throw a bunch of ideologies together in a cage match, it interrogates and plays them out to see just how far things can go before hitting apotheosis and setting the rules of reality instead of mere society
There's even quite a few quotes about the leaders breaking down because they think things have gone too far, or things have gone too far and they have to do something (crazy) about it
>Miriam's last quote in the game is implied to be her Jonestown-ing her entire faction via Psi Gates after her previous quote about the Bulk Matter Transmitter possibly not reattaching souls after transit
Things were as ideologically homogeneous and polarized in the 80s/90s as they are today.
For example, you had a lot of fairly well know public figures(including Richard Dawkins) supporting fertilization in vitro on openly eugenics grounds.
>Things were as
Things weren’t as*
>yang gets exterminated between drone riots and aggressive neighbors
>Zakharov drops all pretense of reserved intellectual at the thought of his precious brain being violated by mindworms, declares all out war in the late game fungal blooms stopping his ascension
>Miriam is so horribly disgusted by their societies, not even the planet as a living god, that her entire faction suicides
>Lal fades into nothing, absorbed by some stronger faction under the trampling boots of progress
>Santiago's entire faction gets mind raped by worms not even knowing its an organized attack effort from deidre
>Morgan becomes even more obsessed with personal power and hedonism and makes a play at cornering the global power market but is too slow
>deidre approves the mass murder of entire societies to avoid the complete genocide of humanity by an alien god
Shut the frick up hippy, get back to work.
I didnt like how this was available right from the start. Its this kind of horror tech that should only unlock at a certain point
>Required reading for any SMAC thread
https://paeantosmac.wordpress.com/
a lot of sci fi secret projects in alpha centauri became reality, namely the human genome project
isn't that cool?
also terrifying.
time flies, it's insane
before we know it we would be exploring the alpha centauri system
Do you remember the initial premise for SMAC? The Unity itself was an international effort that pooled the last of Earth's resources into a single generational ship. What can be implied is that everything went up in flames the moment it left orbit. From the transcendence ending with the advances made on Planet they went back to fix the problems but most of the average plebs are long gone by that point.
if you read the prequel story the unity was just a stunt to try and show political unity while the earth when down in flames. The ship captain just looked good on camera, he was bad at actually being a leader. Although if you get a conquest victory the end screen says you try to connect to earth and you dont get any signal back. So the PR stunt does end up saving humanity
yeah, earth got fricked and the best of the best were selected to go on a colony ship
but a malfunction woke them up early from cryosleep and they found their designated leader assassinated so they split
i love the feeling of earth that was, the feeling of being so isolated is really suffocating
frick man SMAC was really scary, especially when the planet starts talking
>You waited so long to heed us, EarthDeirdre, Almost we pruned you, as we may yet prune your branches.
i liked the implication that planets waking up is a bad idea, even if i hated alien crossfire
>Tau Ceti Flowering: Horrors visited upon neighboring systems must never be repeated. Therefore: if it means the end of our evolution as a species, so be it
>Risks of Flowering: considerable. But rewards of godhood: who can measure?
Every time the planet killed all intelligent life by waking up, which meant it lost its sentience and went back to sleep. Ironically zakharov nuking planet with a massive science pulse pushed it beyond its childhood state
Even in the best circumstances it's a pretty terrifying notion
You think Morgan or Yang being Planetgods would end well for the rest of the universe?
>Prokhor Zakharov starts going full schizo claiming that the Planet is alive and its an alien god
>a man who up until this point didn't believe in that shit
Kino
>yeah, earth got fricked and the best of the best were selected to go on a colony ship
No they just put up some decent people.
>but a malfunction woke them up early from cryosleep and they found their designated leader assassinated so they split
the spartans sneaking onto the ship and going apeshit woke them up.
>they found their designated leader assassinated so they split
guy was alive at first, but he got captured by the spartans (because he sucked) and then as the spartan demands increased the few crewleaders that were awake started to fued and all secretly decided to sneak off and set up their own colony
>especially when the planet starts talking
already started talking to deidre on the ship
So billions died on earth and probably like a couple hundred thousand got saved?
yes, it is heavily implied that you are the last humans left in the galaxy, atleast civilized ones
i love how all alien lifeforms go crazy when you try to transcend, they tried something similar in beyond earth as a victory type but aaaaaaaaaaah don't get me started on that game
Less than that maybe 100k at the most. Even then most of the factions didn't get their fair share when everyone split. Most of the settlements barely crack past that number at their height. I think the conversion rate is somewhere between 100 - 1000 population per unit portrait.
The diplomacy ending mentions ruling over a nation of 100,000 people, but that seems kinda low
It probably helps that people are living longer, sometimes even across the entire span of a game (which is usually a few hundred years)
The game itself seems very pro low population. It seems to be something a lot of the factions, particularly the "good aligned" factions seem to agree on: Low population is good, this is whats causing our utopia, this is what causes our system to work.
It's not really that. Resources are scarce on a hostile alien Planet and you can only support so many people before it starts to hinder your colony's prosperity. Part of SMAC's brutality is that humans did not evolve on Planet and for us, it's barely liveable without human technology and industry. You really couldn't just start a small town out in the fungal fields when the main colony gets too crowded. You'd die.
>Part of SMAC's brutality is that humans did not evolve on Planet and for us, it's barely liveable without human technology and industry. You really couldn't just start a small town out in the fungal fields when the main colony gets too crowded. You'd die.
Landlubbers btfo. Take the seapill and claim the seas as your own.
I will not terrorize the High Seas. I will not assault the people of the land. I will respect the Spanish Crown.
the human genome project was already underway when they made the game. A lot of the early tech is stuff already discovered, or close.
Shut up, not me.
I've come up with the perfect system. I call it meism. Basically, I get all of the stuff, I get to do whatever I want without consequences, and everyone else is forced to do whatever I want them to do. This is the perfect system because it only benefits me, and I am the only person who matters because I'm me. If I wasn't the most important person, I wouldn't be me. Me good because me is me. Me me me me me me me me. Meeeeeeeeeee. MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
I think Horatio would fare okay in Alpha Centauri, though it does take a while before you can get Clone Vats
Isn't the whole plot of Horatio story in Endless Space that Horatio Prime gets murdered in like the very first event and then you play as some clone of his?
Prime was locked up by one of his clones who poses as Prime while dealing with other clones who want to pose as Prime
It's very difficult to keep track of things when everyone is You and vice versa
Each faction's quest has different paths depending on which objectives you pursue. For Horatio IIRC you have Horatio Prime, and two other Horatios who want to replace him, and which of the three wins depends on the path you choose.
Someone should import pepe into the game so it can be a playable faction. The quote being
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" - Pepe, Ganker thread 2023.
Childhood is doubting Yang. Adulthood is realizing that goyslop is good for you.
this game had such a memorable quotes and voice acting, i heard beyond earth is trash so I tried "successor" coming from indie dev instead, gameplay seemed fine but without soulful characters, fun dialogue options it wasnt even 1/10th as good
Yes, unfortunately a big, if not the biggest contributor to SMAC status as a cult classic is its writing and nuance. Both of these things are increasingly rare to find across most media these days.
I hated Beyond Earth for many reasons, but the big one was that there was little difference between factions because of the way the tech web worked.
Dat opening cinematic tho.
There is nothing wrong with this ideology. Frick you, I got mine is in fact the most righteous ideology to hold.
Its the ideological form of Black person thinking processes
Kino centauri
>The Warrior's bland acronym, MMI, obscures the true horror of this monstrosity. Its inventors promise a new era of genius, but meanwhile unscrupulous power brokers use its forcible installation to violate the sanctity of unwilling human minds. They are creating their own private army of demons. - Commissioner Pravin Lal, "Report on Human Rights"
>A handsome young cyborg named Ace,
>wooed women at every base
>but once ladies glanced at
>his special enhancement
>they vanished
>with nary a trace
there is nothing to disprove the fact teleporters do not actually teleport you only copy and paste you
Wonder why this is popping up now. Is this because of the coin flip game? or some old sci-fi stories?
SOMA did something similar but not with teleportation only with your conscious being uploaded to someplace else. theres never really been a discussion about how teleporters work, only that they do
There's a character in Star Trek who refuses to use teleportation because he's 100% sure it just kills you.
Not specifically teleporting but Venture Bros. really turned me on to it with the whole cloning conceit for the boys https://youtu.be/JhZjQwHJFJY
Gantz manga explores a similar idea as well with the way the ball both teleports people and "revives" the dead.
They have the same grim reality that for everyone else who could be observing it, it objectively does work as it seems. A perfect copy of you taking your place in an instant wouldn't be perceptible at all. It's only your own conciousness and our total lack of quantified as any sort of matter. So if a teleporter breaks down and re-assembles matter, is it really moving your conciousness, or just destroying and replacing it?
what if a portal just opens a shortcut through time and space for you to pass through
>test fricks up
>you go one way and your ass goes the other
Pinky knew that feeling all too well.
But what if..
>dude give a definite answer about fantasy technology which has 0 explanation
why not explain a technology that has been prevelant in sci fi and pop culture for the past 50-60 years if not longer
What if they locally speed up time so the Earth spinning below you transfers you to a different location.
that era was perfect for sci fi horror
>SMAC thread is just anons posting quotes from the game
>for the umpteenth time
>still better than most threads on Ganker
Truly the most timeless of ludokino.
it s funny to think how gaming degraded thanks to sanitization and mass appeal needs. something like this will never be made again by a non indie studio
we ll keep getting slop like diablo 4 forever
fricking morgan
Does SMAC still work right out of the box or do I need to frick with source ports and fan patches now?
it works, but the controls are ass and it has no wide screen support
http://alphacentauri2.info/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=364
https://github.com/DrazharLn/pracx/releases
Which new world utopia would you wanna live in the most and the least?
My man Yang of course.
why not go to china
I don't want to be chinese.
Technocracy
Lal and Domai seem like the safe choices in any case
Zakharov if you're smart
Deidre if you're not gonna get eaten by mindworms
Morgan if you're rich
Miriam might be okay, but hopefully you'll be dead before any inter-faction religious wars break out
Santiago, Sven and even Roze are a little too darwinistic to be really reliable, maybe if you had your own fort and a lot of guns it could work
Zeta is Zeta, opinions irrelevant, resistance futile
Dawn and Yang are death traps
Miriam and Domai are safe bets. I'd much rather act like I believe in sky daddy than go into the tanks.
You still go into the tanks, you'll just be dead when it happens
I haven't played this since I was much younger, I thought the spartans were all about just pure military strength? Was their ideology more like as long as you are good or strong at something? Just judging by the quote saying "the greatest minds"
Strength in all its facets probably. Fighting is one part but being able to stay ahead of the curve means that you remain the top dog.
I need Top Lal.
You WILL enter the recycling tanks and you WILL be happy.
why aren't the cities named after their position in the grid?
Yang best faction.
every faction can do that and pod crawling is the OP strat anyway. and yang gets -1 energy on every city. the no efficiency is only useful if you end up covering the entire map.
Just stopping by to say
Miriam was right
>uploaded 16 years ago
Holy shit
>completely fricks over the living standards of your populace
>those efficiency gains
Why did they have to make the secret projects absolutely horrifying yet so good?
or the gray goo that turns dead bodies into hovertanks. or the cloning vats that create perfect soldiers, or the cyborg factory. the whole point is that the window of acceptablity constantly slides
Makes you wonder which of the technologies doesn't come with a caveat like this. Can't imagine that things like the orbital mining platforms are powered by the suffering of a pregnant mother or that the space elevators are balanced upon the backs of a hundred orphans. Most of the tech in its application is pretty grim for the most part hell even something like a recycling tank illicits a different response in this game. The description puts it plainly enough.
>Why did they have to make the secret projects absolutely horrifying yet so good?
It's a good way to show how powerful people always inevitably try to build a dystopia for the majority, no matter what their ideology or culture is. Dystopias are simply way too beneficial to the ruling class.
>tfw you prototype build 20 planetbusters in 1 turn.
good game but outdated UI and control scheme
also
>Infinite City Sprawl
yawn
https://vocaroo.com/1iU95Bcsusxy
>sus
I'm not touching that link
I like how he still signed off at the end
i have this game but i still dont know how to play. got blown up by the catholics i think on my first try, is it better to play wide or tall?
Just play on the easier difficulties
alright thanks anons i'll try your suggestions (except playing on easier difficulties thats for gays and women)
best is spamming towns since a town upgrades the tile its on with +1 energy +1 minerals. they dont have drone problems and 3 tiny towns are more effective than a few huge towns. but if you play lower difficulty you can just focus on a few big towns. early on you want a town thats in the middle of a bunch of minerals since those let you build faster. i recommend spartans first since you start with a rover and get stronger units.
but why do the planets go insane when they awaken?
wouldn't you go insane if a bunch of tiny monkeys were crawling all over you
Doesn't exactly go insane, it's just that the increased activity kills off so much fungus that by the time it becomes sentient, there's not enough left to sustain it and it collapses into moronation again.
it needs the fungus?
It is the fungus
oh, so it's not the giant rock rather a sentient hivemind fungus?
Bingo. Including the sea fungus.
its instinctual. zakhov blasting it made it mature
its a survivalist cult.
where do you read about zakhov doing that?
https://alphacentauri.fandom.com/wiki/The_Voice_of_Planet
did you dumb Black folk even play the game
i did, but for some reason i don't remember this
Imagine being woken up to a series of slaps followed by incessant screaming and being tied to a chair. Forced to watch the collective history of an entire people as they destroy themselves repeatedly before they decide to kill you next. Planet was essentially given the equivalent to Leeloo from the 5th Element seeing humanity in its entirety and asked to pull the trigger because Zakharov mindfricked it with an encyclopedia on suffering.
Remaster when?
They'd frick it up badly; hopefully never
would you trust modern Firaxis with something as culturally important as SMAC?
Only if I had a Punishment Sphere ready for them should they fail in their attempt
Has anyone ever played Civ and then Alpha Centauri back to back to create one long human history narrative?
I think I did once when I was 15, played as the Egyptians in Civ II then played as Morgan (we wuz I know, but mainly because his faction color is yellow, that was the reason at the time) but renamed him and faction to egyptians in space
Morgan Industries became New Thebesm that kind of thing
I'd only trust them if Brian Reynolds was called in and had total control over it.
how did sid mier drop the ball so hard on beyond earth?
Sid have nothing to do with it besides his name, hell he doesnt have much involvement in Alpha Centauri as well
whats the faction for based transhumanists and posthumanists?
University. Can't go wrong with a society that seeks knowledge in all forms.
Too much truth in one quote, its why leftists can't reply to it without le 'ironic' baitposts like the idiot with all the replies. They have no actual retort to it, because its absolutely true and it makes them seethe uncontrollably.
if morgan was real, he'd be pushing for woke stuff in games to sell more and you'd be calling him a leftie
>woke stuff
>sell more
thats not why they do it
its what killed the original earth in the game.
morgan would see the hype and sell a woke game and pretend to care about the planet
he's the kind of guy who sells torches and nooses at a KKK rally then immediately sells weapons to Black folk on the other side of town
you need to do woke for eSG points and funding, not to boost sales.
yes, then he'd do it for ESG funding while funding ben shapiro with the same money
morgan doesnt need ESG funding.
It is why they do it, you can keep deluding yourself that it's all lies all you want but it sells because 99% of people don't care. As long as the people really calling the shots get their money's worth the creative peons are allowed to do what they want, the moment it stops being profitable they're replaced with what is.
>It sells
>99% of people don't care
Pick one.
>let's consume all resources till we run out
then what?
The resources you're talking about can't be replenished homosexual, you're delaying the inevitable.
>his society still requires resources to function
ngmi
and you're making it come faster
you are not supposed to agree with anyone in SMAC, they are all absolute extremes of their ideologies and you are an extremist if you agree with any of them
this is moronic, as many resources are unique to our planet like oil that cannot be found anywhere else
you are doing the opposite of the old man who plants a tree, you are uprooting a tree to get all the wood out of it and screw everyone tomorrow
You find more resources dumbass, the universe is filled with more resources than humanity could ever possibly use. The main hurdle is escaping the solar system which could be done with a huge amount of resources coupled with ambition, planning, and knowledge.
well we didn't escape our solar system and instead we ran out of resources cuz of greedy fricks
our one and only earth is all we have right now and you are not treating it with respect
His quote was literally the boomers' strategy, and what do you know? Now the world is economically and culturally shit for the current generations and all generations in the foreseeable future. Prior generations tried and succeeded in building a better world for their children.
>Best space building game is still AC
>Best exploration/talking to aliens game is still SC2
Why have neither been topped yet?
before i go to bed i am here to remind you that none of the characters in SMAC are to be emulated, they are all extreme ends of the political spectrum and you should really reconsider your world views if you find yourself agreeing with a SMAC leader
goodnight
>none of the characters in SMAC are to be emulated, they are all extreme ends of the political spectrum and you should really reconsider your world views if you find yourself agreeing with a SMAC leader
goodnight
Yarr, walk the plank ye scruvy dog. I ain't paying no one for nothing and I'll sail the ocean blue 'til me dyin' days.
>freedom of speech
If the internet has revealed anything to me, it's that the majority of people are fricking stupid
Maybe freedom of speech is a mistake
>maybe
The main merit of free speech, besides it being morally just, is that it introduces lots of error correction into society. Even dumb people talking with each other can spot wrongness and organize ways to fix matters.
And yet, those same dumb people voted for homosexuals to sodomize the sanctity of marriage, to import millions of unwashed savages, to export our employment, to destroy our cities, and will vote to allow trannies to abuse children freely.
Do you actually fricking think that the masses came to those conclusions on their own and that these matters were actually put under public scrutiny and free debate?
You stupid fricking Black person. All of the things you mentioned, be it troons, mass immigration or homosexualry , were pushed to our societies BY OUR FRICKING "LEADERS" . Western ELITES want that shit. None of it is organic and natural and whatever public approval it has originates solely due to decades of propaganda and ongoing efforts to further push these ideas into the heads of the masses by our ruling class.
We already live in the type of top down controlled society you desire, it's just that the controllers have different interests than you have. They want the masses to be rootless, spineless, demoralized mysterymeat consumer cattle that can never threaten the elites.
The west hasn't had free discourse for decades. You haven't noticed this?
everyone but you, right?
Yes
frick you im the smart one here.
I can't see how anyone thinks restricting freedom of speech or information is a good idea. Do you think you're gonna be exempt from those restrictions?
Get in the tank