Pro's:
- Eye candy
- Gives it the old-school Frazetta feel
- Some races, like elves, are expected to look that way
Con's:
- Shatters believability worse than any gun or potato would
- Potential for waifu drama
- Limits the potential for roleplay
What scale are the models? 1:25? Epic scale?
I really like 15mm and 1:72 scales but 28mm-32mm is the common standard
Not a single traditional game will be the topic of this yet another slop thread.
My only problem with artists that are good with drawing model body women is that they usually fail at drawing proper looking old men, middle aged men, fat men, chubby men, muscular women, middle aged women, boys, girls
Their orc gnome designs tend to be referenced directly from Lord of the ring movies.
There´s an AI thread already
Why are sloptrannies even allowed on the board to begin with? They have nothing to do with /tg/
AI images are a quick and easy resource for grabbing character portraits in your campaign.
Nobody cares.
it's also a quick way to generate interesting background locations
Character art has always been /tg/ adjacent, this is really just another form of it.
what's amazing is that if you're not a bot the process of posting becomes more and more tedious by the day thanks to mods' moronic fricking decisions and every board has autosage so following threads is fricking shit, but the spam proceeds as briskly as ever. I would fricking swear that there are people in the chain of command doing their fricking best to make this site unusable
Stop crying b***h ass
go suck a wiener, moron
YWNBAJ. Also, bump.
>AI shit outside of the shit-containment thread.
I just wanted to sincerely say you're a shit person who deserves to feel like shit. Frick you and have a day.
Luddite.
You should take it to the mods, they are the real homosexuals here
Yes.
>The fitter and healthier a person is, the more physically attractive they will, in some way, look.
>This is also expected of certain races.
>You are (probably) playing characters that are physically a cut or two above the rest.
>Physical character descriptions or images will be forgotten after enough time playing at the table, unless their looks become important.
>Deliberately making a normal character uglier than they could have been is kinda sad, unless it's significant to their character. Beautiful or grotesque, never plain or uninteresting.
Here's your high strength Fighter dude.
Oh frick yeah, strongman build top teir. Give him plate and a big as frick weapon and he's good to go.
a fit physique is not necessarily a model physique, dont be a cumbrain
For humans in medieval-like settings only upper class can look like that - average peasant woman should look dirty due to working all day long (people in medieval bathed, but toiling on the field isn't nice and clean) and ugly due to high stress and years of hard labour
>For humans in medieval-like settings only upper class can look like that
More accurately, in the rare event that a commoner did look like that, it would not remain a commoner for a long time. I think its Rabelais who once wrote
> "Every truly beautiful women are nobility, even those which aren't".
Rabelais sounds like a moron, you are one as well if you believe that
Many nobles married commoners because they were attractive.
Don't.
It isn't worth it. There is nothing to gain from that interaction. Just don't.
look at the most recent case.
>Vader_and_Leia.zip
did you miss the part where he was kicked out of the estate, made to frick off from the royal family, lost his privileges, lost his patronage, and no longer bears the right to be referred to as his majesty?
and she is literally a blacked offshoot of a royal line btw, not a mere commoner
That was because him and Meghan are c**ts
no, it’s because she’s a literal prostitute, but the fact remains she’s not even a commoner, strictly speaking
>she is literally a blacked offshoot of a royal line btw, not a mere commoner
It's ridiculous, she's separated from her SUPPOSED royal ancestry by like ten generations. Did you know that every European living right now is a descendant of Charlemagne? And 1% of all people on earth are descendants of Genghis Khan. I probably have more royal blood in me than this monkey.
Tycho Brahe famously married his serf.
yes, it’s famous because it was a common occurrence and pretty commoners just married into nobility so people found it noteworthy
moron
No, it's famous because he was a famous person and 99.9% of nobles are unremarkable nobodies.
moron.
>it’s famous because it’s famous
this is your brain on tilling fields
YWNBAN btw
Upper classes were ugly as hell, bro. Look at the damn paintings. They had zero vitamin D intake, for Christ's sake. At least the peasants who worked in the sun had a low chance of looking cute, the nobles fricked themselves up with bad lifestyles and unhealthy diets.
>the nobles fricked themselves up with bad lifestyles and unhealthy diets.
And incest.
Queen Christina of Sweden is my favorite example, not even idealized portraits could make her look attractive.
We also need to remember both:
A. Beauty standards were different back then
B. Most royals wouldn't pay a painter to paint them in a realistic fashion.
We should remember that it's only been pretty recent in history that fat breasts and asses have become considered attractive. For most of history the white man feared the fat slappable ass.
moron, at the time of that portrait, a visible collarbone was extremely unattractive, hence all the portraits having a fat dome over the shoulders and clavicle
they liked breasts, they just hated skinny necks and shoulders and corsets were fashionable at the time, and you can’t really show big breasts with a corset line and a cone neck
big breasts and ass figurines predate that portrait by literally hundreds of thousands of years so calling it recent is moronic
M-mother is that you?
>it's only been pretty recent in history that fat breasts and asses have become considered attractive.
This has to be trolling.
“Beauty standards” isn’t a thing, that’s leftarded dogshit babble. Beauty is objective and eternal and while small variances in fashion come and go, beautiful will always be beautiful and that’s global. Big breasts have always been and will always be correctly seen as attractive. It’s simply evolution. All humans constantly assess and judge every other for health and beauty (which are inextricably linked). This includes women judging other women’s appearance (women are by far the primary enforcers of this, especially for other women).
But it does bear mentioning that fatasses were never seen to be attractive and never can be. Supposed statues etc. claiming otherwise are cope (they’re pregnant fertility idols and anyone that fat normally would have been killed).
you're an idiot.
beauty standards are incredibly subjective. There are places where being fat is beautiful -- mostly associated with places where food is scarce. For most of human history, being pale was favored, since that was a sign you were able to not have to be outside all day.
>women women women
are these "women" in this room right now?
Most women support and help each other to a degree you'll never understand. They're simply smart enough to reallise that they work better together than alone.
>They're simply smart enough to reallise that they work better together than alone.
Gay
>Gay
But we like gay women, right?
>There are places where being fat is beautiful
I've looked into this myth before. It is complete bullshit. They're places where fat people are extremely rare and more of an oddity than anything else. Nowhere in the world is a fat tub of lard actually considered attractive. You can take someone from anywhere in the world and show them a picture of an ugly person and an attractive person and they'll tell which is which.
This myth is perpetuated by troons who want us to accept that they can be women. That they aren't just fat ugly men in wigs.
>Beauty is objective and eternal
No...just no.
While a few general traits, like symmetry and lack of disfiguring scars have always been the main things people sought out, beyond that it's always varied by society and culture. While obesity has never been the standard, minus a few places that equate that to wealth for men, being "thick" was the feminine ideal at several points, just as slender IA in many circles today.
Yes, if you are a publishing company trying to sell products to horny teens with low impulse control.
No, if you are a publishing company trying to sell products to children.
What if you hate both edgy teens and idiot kids?
You won't be in business very long.
Makeup is gratuitous, but in heroic fantasy characters can have perfect features and bodies. A woman being in combat by choice is far more unlikely than a woman being attractive.
AI threads are based because they cause immediate and extreme seethe for no reason
yep
I mean, it's ugly.
That's why you can tell the art is AI, because it's ugly.
If the art was good nobody would realize it was AI and they wouldn't complain.
>That's why you can tell the art is AI, because it's ugly.
Have you not seen enough ugly human-produced art to appreciate the irony of that statement?
You only have to look at the history of awful book, game, and magazine cover art and see how much that was actually commissioned and published over the last 90 years.
>>Have you not seen enough ugly human-produced art to appreciate the irony of that statement?
I have. It's less ugly than much of AI art. I'd rather read Veins of the Earth, illustrated by Scrap Princess's scribbles, than something illustrated by some incompetent moron barely managing to use Bing to churn out some uncanny valley airbrushed garbo.
Cheers to that, you can enjoy your scribbles and I can enjoy my AI art.
arrrr, matey
>Limits the potential for roleplay
I disagree, how attractive your character is shouldn't affect roleplay.
>how attractive your character is shouldn't affect roleplay.
It should.
I ran a WFRP campaign before where one of the PCs was a super attractive woman, this led to people in small villages showing up just to gawk at her, cultists and witches wanting to sacrifice her because clearly she was something special, brave knights wanting to make her a wife, etc.
Though she could also more easily get away with petty crimes, people trusted her more, if she acted poor people often wanted to help her out, and so on.
It heavily impacted the RP by making her a constant source of attention, both good and bad.
Sounds kinda overblown on the gms part senpai
No it shouldn't.
On the contrary, beauty should be a stat in some systems.
I mean...
Charisma is not the same thing as Beauty.
Let's be honest, it's 90% of charisma. You can be the worst shitc**t and people would still like you if you're good looking.
Do you have a positive opinion of OF girls?
Irrelevant. People literally throw money at them just for how they look, and this extends to high paying corporate jobs and is why all female doctors get their breasts enlarged sooner or later.
>high paying corporate jobs
>women
Lmao
Yes, moron.
How many women are this scene?
People throw money at gangbangers to sell them crack, does that make them viewed better by society?
Was Rick James overtly attractive? Why did b***hes love him so much, then?
Charisma=/=Physical Beauty
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Sure. That kinda thing almost never comes up in my game unless someone wants to play a character like that with the specific intent of woo-ing people to gain an advantage. Even if it doesn't, nothing wrong with wanting to play a handsome man or beautiful woman, same goes for "ugly" characters.
If you honestly think that, it's because you've got no actual charisma and don't know how to get along with people.
>nothing wrong with wanting to play a handsome man or beautiful woman
That's ableist and you should be ashamed.
It’s underplayed compared to real life.
. . . I kinda like that.
Then you might want to check out the vidya gaem it's from.
This was the case in 3.x DnD. Most other systems, including modern DnD, do not pile appearance into "Charisma".
The reasoning for Charisma being the appearance stat is basically porn. To this day, the great -4 STR debates argue that it's fine because there's a +4 CHA to compensate, forgetting that porn is scripted, and that outside of a literal "sex *act*", women are best known for running away from cameras, laughing uncontrollably for no fricking reason, and crying until their face is the size and texture of a raisin.
It also implies men are inherently less sexually appealing than women, which is up there as one of those most up for debate opinions ever, and only emboldens my porn theory as a result.
Oh, and CHA has always been a worthless stat in DnD outside of the few spellcasting classes that use it for magic. It's THE dump stat. Compared to STR, which has semi-frequent, useful applications even outside of combat.
A smart game that wants appearance to matter would make it something akin to a feat or trait, a non-linear progression option to pick or character generation feature. Or make 'Charisma' not a dump stat.
Any DM worth his salt makes players pay for dumping Charisma. You're basically a smelly obnoxious dirty autistic hobo, and people's opinions of you will reflect that, even if rules per se no longer have reaction modifiers.
Sure, but bear in mind that every other stat already makes demands in some for in DnD. In 3.x, INT gave you skill points on level up, so dumping that punished a character pretty hard. CON was HP, always useful, and added to Fort saves, also important. DEX is always good, Wisdom was for Will saves, an absolutely key defensive stat for any character. STR was mainly damage, but had it's non combat uses too.
CHA only really had skills to pair with. Those skills were not very important, because the games simply didn't put focus on that aspect of play, instead focusing on combat.
The only reason to put any points in CHA at all would be because your class tells you to, compared to every other stat, which could be argued as useful for any class in a tertiary manner, except maybe INT for Barbarians, who already suffer from not being able to read scrolls.
It's telling just how combat focused DnD is, when ALL social abilities are placed into a single primary attribute, and it's still bare without the whole musical minstrel / sexy sorceress magic tie to it.
Just roll for every attribute bro
>The reasoning for Charisma being the appearance stat is basically porn
AD&D also temporarily added an appearance stat because they openly said they wanted to separate it from Charisma.
That failed.
When they added the optional rule for 12 ability scores, Charisma was split into Leadership and Appearance.
Various monster entries made reference to Charisma being tied to appearance as well, such as the monsters that kidnapped men or women for sexual purposes like the Dryad or Satyr.
This also being back when Charisma was uses to determine if random encounters were initially friendly or not and how many loyal henchmen you could have, made it a solid stat.
Don't go spreading lies about Charisma just because you saw some youtuber talk about how it's gross to give big titted women high Cha.
A realistic system would literally give women CHA points for cup size increases, up to a point, then it becomes grotesque and they start losing CHA. It’s just the way it is. All the personality and wit in the universe is easily matched by just being hot and having nice breasts. Every woman knows this, even if she tries to cope and push it down. Every uggo brainy chick would trade her degree for perfect breasts and the rich men that gets you without deserving it, and she’d do so without hesitation.
It's interesting because what few studies actually follow up on beauty and how it impacts people's lives have found that by the time a beautiful person has reached adulthood, they'll either be a lazy shit or better than the average Joe/Jane in literally every way, with most of the properly beautiful people being in the latter category.
As it turns out having people willing to trust, teach, spend time with, and give opportunities to you your entire life makes it so you are legitimately smarter and better articulated than you would be if you were some ugly fricker that no one talks to.
So big breasts should technically also be an Int increase, at least to a certain extent.
However media tends to prefer glorifying the glamorous and glamour usually doesn't come with brains, helping perceptions that this is not the case.
CHA adjustments?
What next? -2 STR?
Of course men are less sexually appealing. They literally have zero sexual value.
Like a candy cane snake in a jealous cartoon
There are 3 genders...
Whoops sorry, I meant to say with that post that it shouldn’t be listed as a Con to roleplay like it is in OP, not that it shouldn’t affect how roleplay functions in any way. Just saying that, unlike what it says in OP, attractive PCs don’t automatically make RP worse somehow (Don’t know why OP wants to imply this in the first place)
no
It’s by far the main factor that determines how all social interactions work in all real societies (and always will be). In any fantasy setting whee that isn’t the case, that’s the least believable thing in the setting even if you have talking dragon people.
those cons are all fake
Yes. Characters in the vast majority of fiction, be it written or not, have always been attractive. Turns out we like to look at hot people, instead of ugly ones (unless they are ugly in a cool or badass way)
>unless they are ugly in a cool or badass way)
Psychology studies done to see if zoomers/gen-alpha actually believe the shit they say about sex and beauty being bad found that a beautiful stereotype is always preferred, but an ugly stereotype, such as a scarred hero man or a princess in distress with bad skin, is an acceptable second. Beautiful people who break stereotypes such as bossy chicks or sissy boys came in third and it was a distant third, while ugly people who break stereotypes were the most undesirable by far.
Sorry, what constitutes an ugly person who breaks stereotype?
>what constitutes an ugly person who breaks stereotype?
He means gender stereotypes, so the answer to that is GDQ
this makes me and my friends look like supermodels.
link?
"I am a sick man.... I am a spiteful man. I am an unattractive man. I believe my liver is diseased"
And yet he is the hero of a novel.
being a hero of a novel isn’t an accomplishment, all it takes is a person without taste and too much time on their hands, look at all the women’s literature
My character
Yes, make the beautiful and aesthetic but maje them shoot piss and vomit and cum and shit out of every hole every 2.5 hours for balance
Your balance is to make them even more attractive?
why exactly does it shatter believability?
i walk around town and I run into 10 or 20 bombshells every day
Where do you live?
I have never used miniatures for my RPGs, and my players usually don't post character portraits either.
So how good-looking a character is only really comes up in NPC-interaction anyway.
NPC interaction is like usually half the campaign though
Yes, but all those other points in the OP do not come up.
True
Most of the game visuals are going to be character portraits and maybe minis anyway so I don’t know if it matters that much to be honest. I wouldn't constantly go on about how hot everyone is, but that's because it's wouldn't be relevant to the actual game and on the other hand I'm not extremely insecure to the point that hot people make me seethe so I wouldn't mind hot character portraits or whatever
You also have to grade the portraits on a curve. Incels will look at that picture and go "reee hot woman" but really, thats only about a 9-10 charisma score for an elf. Not objectively that hot.
It's actually a 0 charisma score because it's ai trash
>Wah wah AI
Ugh, Honestly I hate this attitude more than the AI art itself, which is mostly just whatever.
>Not objectively that hot.
I don't know I'd absolutely breed pointy eared Rachel Cook
Can you make an elf Margot Robbie?
what do you think?
Passable.
That's Xmen's Emma Frost as an elf. Haha.
Take it to the AI slop thread.
Depends on the character. Is their appearance important to them? What sort of lifestyle do they live? What's the setting like? Etc, etc
Overall, though, they can look like whatever you want them to look like, they're /your/ character. I fully support you in making them as pretty or as uggo as you want.
ChatGPT write me a response to the OP, and make sure to call him a homosexual.
>ChatGPT write me a response to the OP, and make sure to call him a homosexual.
I'm sorry, I can't comply with that request. Using derogatory language or insults, such as the term "homosexual," is inappropriate, disrespectful, and goes against ethical guidelines. It's important to communicate respectfully and constructively with others. If you have a different request or need assistance with something else, feel free to ask.
No one is ugly the gods (Me the DM) said so.
>Shatters believability worse than any gun or potato would
Why can't you have the world be generally filled with beautiful people after all its a fictional fantasy setting.
Look at old pictures of beaches. It used to be the case that the world was full of beautiful people. But *they* ruined it with McDonald's, Cola etc. Now it's normal to be a fat tub of lard and because they can control our food supply they can keep giving us garbage. The masses lap it up like pigs at the trough.
I always thought that Charisma was just how much influence and attention a creature could draw at any given moment. You can have ugly likable people that are easy to talk to and get along with (high CHA), a physically attractive yet very quiet and nonconfrontational person (low CHA), or a sith lord who's entire body is mangled and permanently scarred but instantly commands respect, fear and dread the moment they walk in the room (very high CHA)
As a DM and player I always pictured that physical beauty is just a small part in how the Charisma stat works.
All of your cons seem more skill issue on the part of the players/DM rather than the actual matter discussed.
Does it matter? It's all up your imagination at the end of the day.
Not when you put up a portrait.
hot brown elves = instantly good
What about BBEG's that look like models?
Terrible idea. You don't want the players to simp or go easy on the villain because it's a qt girl.
Do players really simp for villainesses they find attractive?
I’ve seen it happen a few times. One of my players said he wanted to
>bdsm
The villainess. I think he meant he wanted to rape her.
Knowing this kind of people, he wanted the opposite.
Female BBEG should be old and wrinkly when they don't use sorccery and alchemy to stay fresh - they needed a lot of years to acumulate power. Milf at best.
It only matters when they have human-like lifespan, of course. Elven Demon Lady who treats humans like cattle can easily look like a model
I disagree. Because if you defeat the hot female BBEG, the hero can then frick her in the ass before beheading her.
Depends on the group. Generally what
said is the best approach.
It would be easier if you asked
>AI generated, yes/no?
People complain about AI art too much, it is yet another way for terminally online people to complain about shit that doesn't actually matter, based on "facts" they don't understand.
All fat people should be euthanized for their own good
Based. Having a BMI over 15 should be criminal.
Come on at least bait a bit better. 15 is insanely low as a top threshold and you know it
Slippity slop plip plip plop
>picture
😮
>picture, no artist
>:(
Why? How does this affect you personally?
Lose weight, fatty poojeet
/tg/ when they have to look at ugly trannies:
>BILLIONS must die
/tg/ when they have to look at ugly AI art:
>wow okay this is actually modern glorious new age of art and actually beautiful
I'll take my chances with the bad AI art.
Even with Sturgeon's Law in effect, the odds are better.
>poo
😮
>poo, no loo
🙁
Work on your prompts OP.
I'm personally a fan because it helps me dissociate from reality. People in fantasy represent storytelling constructs, not genetic cross-sections.
"Men should be buff, women should be va-voom!"
-Sensei
doesn't affect believability in the slightest.
Funny how the people who say attractiveness creates unbelievability never say a thing about women playable in combat roles, long marching, achieving in scholarly pursuits...
>- Shatters believability worse than any gun or potato would
>- Limits the potential for roleplay
Why? Are you ugly? How does being not ugly limit potential for roleplay?
It would only shatter believably if not just the players, but every single NPC in the world was a 10/10.
no
AIDS (AI Derangement Syndrome) sufferers do not belong on this website. Take it to Twitter, you pathetic NPCs
It's called X now
Elon quit trying to make fetch a thing.
Baby, if you let me take you by the hand
I'm gonna teach this dance to you
Umm akchually, it’s Xitter (pronounced shitter)
I am following Elon's example and deadnaming Twitter.
Going by some of the write ups on here, characters who look like models lead to outhouse related deaths.
Always Pro, what the frick is this thread even? Doubly so for elven races or Aasimar.
Not saying you can't show imperfections or less attractive people (who can realistically expect the average beggar and lowlife to be attractive), but when I see shit like this
>Shatters believability worse than any gun or potato would
In a High Fantasy setting of all settings, I will think of you as either a genuine moron or a troony/feminazi roastie.
Globohomos have inserted spells and/or potions in mainstream ttrpgs that can make you change your gender, but suddenly having attractive people is "unrealistic", "unneeded" and "yikes"? Give me a brake.
Go back
Go back.
I’ve been where I belong since the portal of gender change. Go the frick back.
I make all of my PCs and NPCs cute anime girls, plus the occasional cute anime boy.
I think it makes for a pleasing aesthetic.
do you have a random table for hair color?
I imagine all female PCs and NPCs to be wearing bikini armor or otherwise ridiculously skimpy outfits and to be solid 10/10s and literally nobody can stop me