So I've spent this weekend cheating in CS2 and Apex Legends and I tried to treat it as an experiment, not unlike G0at's Tarkov video a few months ago.
Here are my findings:
CS2: tested about 10 hours.
--esp w/ stick figures + see their aim direction
I tested cheaters by first, crouching over and over while looking directly at them thru walls/across the map.
-Many players would respond by crouching back at me.
-Others would look directly at me for a second and then would avoid me all match.
-last test was to engage the cheater in text chat and try and get them to admit their cheating by acting like I was trying to be helpful. Was somewhat successful. Where successful, cheater effectively would go from "lol wit no" to "okay thanks I'll try to tone it down" (basically admitting their cheats)
Apex: tested for 1 hour
--esp w/ HP + shield + distance
I was never able to test for cheaters directly, but what I noticed is that at least on of my 3 teammates would have an uncanny ability to make a straight line to the closest opponents.
-Normally you can't tell but with the esp on my screen my team mate was more obviously also cheating and running directly at them.
Conclusions:
1: CS2 appears to have at least 1 cheater in every match of casual, 2 and 3 weren't uncommon at all.
2: Apex appears to be worse, in that of the 5 matches I played, there was ALWAYS 1 (apparent) cheater in my squad (not including myself).
Notes:
I only used ESP and I tried not to actually kill players, only killing where it was useful to the experiment (like pressuring a cheater into admitting it).
The only final thing id ask is who else wants to admit their sins?
I'm genuinely curious how many have cheated in a PvP multiplayer game.
You can admit it here, its all anonymous.
didn't read, will continue rekting losers with lmaobox on tf2. I didn't today cuz I took a nap after work, but will probably obliterate some shitters tomorrow, possibly posting fruits of my labors here on this very mongolian basket-weaving forum
#TeamShenti
This guy’s name is Stephen Catt. He’s single, lives with his parents in Midwest City, Oklahoma and doesn’t have a job. He’s 33 years old.
seethe, cope, mald and dilate. Your mom makes me tendies immediately post coitus 🙂
>shenti
curbstomped your ass while playing completely legit.
Pathetic Black person, get on my level.
>parents didn't name him Kit
What a blunder
thank you anon, i laughed.
WTF BRO THAT'S ME
DELETE THIS OR I SUE Ganker
Wow he’s literally me
thankfully antisocial people like you either die of overdose or end up in jail for cp or scams
>no video evidence
discarded
I only cheated in singleplayer Vidya
does this count?
You monster
>So I've spent this weekend cheating in CS2 and Apex Legends
Believe it sight unseen, Source multiplayer is a waste of everyone's tine.
Make a video if your hero complex is strong enough
Source multiplayer is god tier, just not as a competitive FPS
It should be for goofing around with your friends
any fps has at least 30% of the player base using cheats by now and it will only grow, in a few years playing with cheats will be the normal thing and they will be cheaper and more accessible to normies
same time as last night
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Wtf? I'm not advertising shit.
sadly this seems to be the case in my experience this weekend.
zoomers especially seem to think ESP is still "legit" because you have to aim.
thing is, the esp is worse than aimbotting imo.
if they want to just left click heads, go play cookie clicker. its so weird to think removing the strategy and thought from the game is ideal.
I understand aim cheating, youre just tryong to not suck, but esp.. idk.. CS2 and Apex was just turned into running down boxes, with no room for strategy etc.
What the frick is ESP.
It's called wallhack.
Yeah and I know what is called ESP. To whitewash and normalize term. wallHACK is term that has cheating in it's name. ESP doesn't, ESP sounds like le hecking superhero powers from le hecking Marvel movies.
ok professor
You're not wrong
a wallhack is, by definition, extra-sensory perception
Wording matters. There's a reason it's called "enemy combatants" and not "enemy soldiers". It's easier to distance yourself from the atrocities you're committing when you think of opponents as "combatants" instead of soldiers (ie: human beings) like yourself.
Trying to change it to esp is, as the other anon said, an attempt to whitewash and normalize cheating so you can tell yourself it's okay since it doesn't have "hack" or "cheat" in the name anymore.
They‘re called combatants because that is the correct term in international law
Nah anon has a point. In training we'd have to use the term 'terminate' the 'threat' instead of 'kill' and shit like that. Wording plays a big part in big brain frickfrick games, gay as it is.
But it isn't whitewashing, ESP encompasses a wider scope of cheating than just wallhacks.
^this
Enemies do not have to be soldiers to be combatants, like guerilla and militia forces which other wise would be inappropriately legal grey area.
>But it isn't whitewashing
It is. ESP is an already established term that doesn't carry any negative associations like "hacking" or "cheating" does. By trying to redefine your cheating as something else, you're trying to whitewash it.
Fatgays use the same tactic to avoid the stigma associated with "fat". They're just running out of already established words to appropriate, so they have to invent new ones like th*cc (no I will not endorse that kind of Black folklang by typing it). Go to pretty much any pornsite and tags like "curvy", voluptous", etc. will be filled with hamplanets.
Wallhack is a kind of ESP but ESP isn't necessarily wallhack.
That's the reason why the term has gotten so much use, you can get way more information than just wallhacking.
It doesn't matter. Term can expand and stop meaning exactly. Like terms "jeep" or "arcade games". People don't play "arcade" games on arcades. wallHACK can easily mean also radar. But it had literally HACK in its name and it makes hackers squirm every time they hear it.
Extra Sensoric Powers sounds much less offensive, or even it praises hacker "le hecking superhero powers of the choosen one" to kick ass of lol normies!
Wallhack lets you see through walls. ESP is basically a radar.
Nice LARP, will you start dumping shroud webms now?
>Nice LARP, will you start dumping shroud webms now?
Its cool man, just admit you cheat. No one will know. Let's have a convo
I'll share this as proof. Otherwise IDC if you think I'm lying. I know what I experienced this weekend.
>VITTHAL doing the "check out how hard I can pee"
Post the picture.
So since developing an anticheat AI is so expensive why can't valve hire jannies that work for no monetary compensation who'd have the same function as a dedicated server admin?
Except Valve is shilling that is uses a new AI anticheat for CS2.
even with a whole squad reviewing vods full time it wouldnt even make a dent in it, not to mention if the cheater isnt moronic you wont be able to tell even looking through his pov
Yeah with people who are actually good at cheating you can only really tell in hindsight. That said, most people in games that are not cs (and even in cs) are not good at cheating
>cheating in online games
Absolutely disgusting
f2p multiplayer lobbies are absolutely filled with bots and cheaters. I can make a snarky one liner like how these games are misery simulators anyway, so not much of value was lost, but it genuinely does suck when you just want to wind down and find the fun.
That being said, I find bots to be even more annoying. The computer science student trying to ruin everyone's game with the garbage bot they picked up from the depths of GitHub, that just breaks halfway through the match. Fun.
They're only misery simulators if you take it all too seriously.
I like to just hang in CS2 casual with friends and talk shit. but everyone just wants to do tryhard competitive now, and that's where the cheating really ruins it all.
Why bother sweating when it's very likely at least one on the enemy team is cheating in some way (esp in solo que).
But even CS fell for the tryhard mlg pro sport meme... got rid of classic, unbalanced, but fun maps like Aztec and Assault.
>I like to just hang in CS2 casual with friends and talk shit. but everyone just wants to do tryhard competitive now, and that's where the cheating really ruins it all.
I agree 150%.
That being said, stuff like League of Legend's surrender system or Overwatch 1/2's Role Queue is game design cancer. Even if you want to play casually it gets in the way.
Frankly they just need to bring back community servers.
Keep their Ranked matchmaking nonsense for all they imagine its worth, but community servers are where its at for casual and for actually controlling cheaters.
Hell Let Loose is a very flawed game in many ways, but it has a community server browser system and I swear its one of the least cheat infested games put these days.
But regardless, the cheating is an epidemic now and I don't think we will ever get back to the good old days.
Which sucks because I'm a pvper by nature.
>cheating is an epidemic now
it's been an epidemic for awhile but people are finally waking up and admitting it instead of living in denial. If it's an FPS MP game and it's popular, it's guaranteed to have cheaters.
>I tested cheaters by first, crouching over and over while looking directly at them thru walls/across the map.
>Many players would respond by crouching back at me.
This sounds like the Tarkov wiggle experiment, which makes me believe this post less.
>This sounds like the Tarkov wiggle experiment, which makes me believe this post less.
I literally said I was inspired by his video.
I adapted it to CS, since you cant lean in CS2.
Why do you even bother opening your fat face?
Why do you bother making shit up? Either record some proof or frick off.
>Why do you bother making shit up? Either record some proof or frick off.
*yawn*
I found a flaw in your methodology. You claim there is always one cheater in every match of casual, and this is true for your experience, but for those that do not cheat there is not the guarantee of having 1 hacker. I think it is flawed to not exclude yourself when counting hackers.
funny. I wasn't counting myself in the cheater count.
You really should have.
imagine typing all that shit just to justify using cheats in games, like... dude, big OOF bro... Seriously.
*yawn*
I've never used cheats myself, but nor have I ever really thought of others using them. I'm roughly a c- in competitive games anyway, so I just figure anyone beating me just gives a frick and has working hands.
I would say the usual gay shit like "I don't see the appeal winning that way" but honestly I used to get incredibly angry and wound up over winning and losing that I could see someone cheating just to experience that triumph, even if it's fake.
I believe there's a lot of cheaters in CS2 but if you won't post proof then your post is worthless
I had mat hacks in TF2 before. It was just replacing the player models with ones that were visible through walls. It was after I already played over 1000 hours and I didn't care to get better or anything. Just wanted an easier time.
I've never cheated in an online game but there I am at the top of the score board being accused all the time, it's still funny.
I'm curious about the cheater count in Battlebit because I've been playing it now since it launched on Steam, and there have only been a handful of times I've been killed suspiciously. And most of those times I went to spectate or walk over to where I was shot from and found out it probably wasn't cheating at all.
So I haven't had a run in with a definite cheater at all as far as I can tell but people are still hackusating each other constantly.
You'd be surprised at the number of cheaters once you do it once.
Also, many imagine that aimbotting is the worst kind of cheating, but the truth is that wall hacking/esp is the real killer.
Someone might be good or bad, but that's not the key here.
The key is them know where you're moving, how/if you're rotating, etc.
Consider it like this:
Aimbotting is a player using steroids.
Wallhacking is like having the opposing team's playbook, or being able to know the play they're going to run before they do it.
Far more aggregious IMO is the ESP/WALLS.
With esp you might as well play cookie clicker.
But if you're good at aiming with your mouse, then you'll prob hit top spot.
That all said. The cheat I used had Battlebit in their subscription.
Its really easy too. Just load it to a USB, and it runs off the USB.
In that case said hackers are fricking trash if I'm wiping the floor with them. I'm nowhere near my peak even, my reaction times are slow and I constantly make poor decisions.
I'm not surprised when I round a corner and get popped in the head by somebody faster than me, that's just the game.
I imagine though, the kind of person who cheats in a video game is the same kind of person who cheats things in real life.
And that's an actual problem, it's a real societal issue and I'd love to see somebody research the correlation.
>And that's an actual problem, it's a real societal issue and I'd love to see somebody research the correlation.
see china, all their culture revolves around cheating and saving face, not only in games but in every aspect of life
>In that case said hackers are fricking trash if I'm wiping the floor with them. I'm nowhere near my peak even, my reaction times are slow and I constantly make poor decisions.
I'm not surprised when I round a corner and get popped in the head by somebody faster than me, that's just the game.
My experience as well. Only reason I'm OK at CS is because I've been playing it casual for 20 years. Only started comp a couple of years ago - I'm old and slow.
Yet I rarely play with people I'm sure are cheating. Usually I can chalk losses up to me or my team playing bad or being slow. And we still often end up winning those games in the end.
>I'm not surprised when I round a corner and get popped in the head by somebody faster than me, that's just the game.
try a cheat in cs2.
use a different pc and make a throw away steam account with a throw away email.
Try just using ESP.
You'll see.
>In that case said hackers are fricking trash if I'm wiping the floor with them.
battlebit is kinda dead, so the pool is wienered up.
But that said, yes, cheaters tend to be trash. Absolutely.
Doesnt change the fact that ESP is insanely powerful in other games with more established communities and hardcore ranking mechanics.
A game like battlebit isnt going to be the most sweaty.
I play a lot of hell let loose and thats a lot like battle bit.
Limited community population and so less high skilled players and more average games in general.
I dominate in HLL, constantly.
But im middling to poor at CS2 and other tryhard games.
Part of that I imagine is the cheaters, but I also recognize that a big part of me sucking at CS2 is me just not taking it seriously and being poor at aiming etc.
Thing is, depsite my poor aim at CS2, I would dominate when I tried because I knew where they were going to be.
Regarding CS, reminds me of this video I saw.
Pros are still shitstomping the "stealth" hacks with superior reactions, reads and strategy.
I can say I'm not pro level but I'm WAY faster than the casuals they had on so I wouldn't be surprised if I was playing hackers and just never realized.
you're playing agaisnt shit tier players using hacks, good players with hacks are top ranks
Then the solution is simple, we kill the hackers.
Anyways, that's the reason I don't really play competitive FPS anymore, I like casual bang bang action like Battlebit, Planetside and UT.
I did play Overwatch to top 500 way back but I didn't encounter many cheaters.
At least what we need for comp shooters is better standards for tournaments, some tourneys only allow provided peripherals and that's how it should always be.
you're out of your mind if you think only shitty players use cheats, at the top any little advantage helps and esp is like steroids for bodybuilders
Is there anything that shows the cheater they are currently being spectated?
this i can do anything with walls
frick aimbot
give me walls
ill out chess move you every single time
i remember 10 years ago cheating was about getting the most egregious and obvious ragehack and killing all the lobby with your knife in a few seconds just for fun, now its people trying as hard as possible to hide their hacks to have an edge, people unironically believe legit cheating (esp) is not really cheating
>i remember 10 years ago cheating was about getting the most egregious and obvious ragehack and killing all the lobby with your knife in a few seconds just for fun, now its people trying as hard as possible to hide their hacks to have an edge, people unironically believe legit cheating (esp) is not really cheating
Yep. in 1.6 some kid would show up with a ragehack and the server admin would tell everyone "cheats one guys" and we'd all cheat until the kid either quit or admitted they were cheating and promised theyd stop.
Then we'd all turn em off and go back to normal play.
Now it's all "legit" cheats and "stealth" cheats.
The fricking gymnastics they use to justify cheating is amazing.
in 1.6 i had a jedi force mod on my server that let me pick people up and pin them in place. speed hackers were my favorite. id put them someplace high up and when theyd use their speedhack theyd hit the ground so hard they would explode. it was funny for everyone but the hacker so theyd just leave
the best griefing was in that shitty korean game with Gunz
some guy was running with flame trails and using dragon ball attacks, thats how fricking broken that shitty game was.
you probably don't want to use a youtube clickbait thumbnail as your header if you have vested interest in spreading a message - it's why you're getting so many hostile shitposts
was an interesting read, albeit nothing a skeptic wouldn't continue to doubt or an enlightened wouldn't already know. thanks
>you probably don't want to use a youtube clickbait thumbnail as your header
fair. i needed a pic and this was the first result
- it's why you're getting so many hostile shitposts
pretty sure its one dude trolling.
Ultimately, I don't care if anyone believes me or not. If I were actually motivated, I'd consider doing this again but with screen capture software and then build a video with evidence, etc.
But I don't really care. Just sharing what I got/discovered with anons. might make another post or two tomorrow and then get bored.
I like the potential for discussion more than anything.
The genre is clearly dead. It was more for myself than anything, just so I knew i wasn't crazy.
It's a crazy feeling when entire communities of ignorants basically gaslight you into questioning if youre wrong when youre positive youre right.
So this weekend was more than anything an exercise done to prove to myself that I'm not crazy.
Knowing what I've experienced is proof enough for me now.
>I allegedly spent a whole weekend testing cheats in different games
>but booting up OBS to record it simultaneously is too hard
>because I just...actually don't care
lol
I keep getting banned in fricking warzone.
I’m a trackball user who eats MnK and controller chuds for lunch.
How does this make you feel?
you unironically post that shit on twitter? what is wrong with you?
its the best way to reach out to the dumb Activision support
That sucks dude, are trackballs really THAT good? I find that I'm too imprecise with a mouse for anything, gaming included
everquest, with "myseq/ShowEQ"
it's basically ESP on steroids - imagine wallhack except it's a spatial registration of all entities on the map, updated in constant realtime with trajectory view of both players and monsters
while it is absolutely cheating as it gives the equivalent of regional omniscience, it's by far the most interesting and fun form of it that i've ever encountered
>Fog of war off
Cool
I've only ever cheated in minecraft. and I got a rootkit on my computer 12 years ago as punishment. I didn't use auras or anything like that, I only used xray. I never really did anything pvp and would never use cheats in a pvp situation, I even dislike using "dishonest" characters or strategies in a lot of games.
You are a scum of the earth piece of shit
everyone wants to be a famous streamer, theres two ways to be a successful streamer, being really charismatic or being really good, people who are neither (99% of population) see hacks as a means to an end, their only chance at getting noticed and to make their stream grow
people did vac checks on accounts of people that they played with in cs:go 2 years ago or so by checking their accounts like 4 months after they played with them.
16% of people got vac'd, and that's only who got detected. (sample size was like 141 games or something)
You have a cheater in every game.
16% is more than one cheater every game
bro that's nothing
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/
look at the steam VAC forum, 99% of it is thirdies screeching about being banned in counterstrike lmao
>plaese ser it was mi brother play mi account
What I love cheaters now!
>Anti cheat is disproportionately targeting trans people!
>psychopaths that pretend to be transsexuals also psychopathically cheat in video games to have power over others
WOW REALLY
Literally all the Top CS players aimbot. The game is worthless
I quit playing competitive videogames due to cheating Chinabugs
thank you for reaffirming my habit of only playing shooters with bots, cheating scum get the rope
There's always a cheater in every big game but far more idiots who think otherwise.
The number of smoothbrain morons who claim to "have never seen a cheater" is astounding. I used to call them out in BF2 all the time and getting them kicked was like pulling teeth.
Gamers are braindead losers hence why I stopped buying games and never will until there's some mechanism to permaban shitty people. But that'll never happen because those losers are who dump money into cosmetics and gaming companies are toxic as frick who put profits over ethics.
How much Apex you play before? There's a definite cheater problem but I can reliably predict enemy movements and track down fights.
SBMM should take care of the cheating problem.
If you perform extraordinarily well you end up in exclusive cheater leagues since only cheaters can match your performance. If you're cautious with your cheating or if you're a bad player even with cheats then you will be matched against players who perform just as badly as you do, with or without cheats.
>enemy skywrath mage has instant rod of atos spell dump script
>mfw picked dyks assassin
I think he didn’t know how to turn that shit off and kept killing himself over and over again. Granted there are some very useful hacks in doturd like map particle exploits to show where the other gays are at (Valve fixed it but it probably has a 17% to come back every update).
Afaik Valve goes around cheating and smurfing problem by shadow polling you if they detect you doing shit, so whalecum to the shadow realm timmy (probably).
>play zombie escape on Counter-strike source
>notice people are insanely accurate and i get beamed into a corner
>spectate them
>literal aimbot
>record and send to admin
>gets banned for 2 hours
>gets unbanned by head admin because they are friends
it's all so tiresome
There are less cheaters now than there ever will be. It will never get better and I saw this coming back in 2016 Rust days where everyone was using recoil AHK's. Dropped the entire FPS genre, you can't compete if you're not a complete sweat or sub to some code monkey pumping out ESP.
I'm too casual to know hot to cheat, can someone help me? I want to feel better by ruining the game to other people
>brown esl wants to cheat
no surprises there
>apparently every cs2 lobby has cheaters
>i topfrag regularly and have a 70% winrate as a legit player
I guess im built different.
It's morally okay to cheat in Apex. homosexual devs and homosexual game deserve to die
Cheats were always a thing in first person shooters but the situation has gotten out of hand because of e sports and streamers.
We've reached a point where you can buy a strike pack for a controller at a supermarket because somehow aim assist isn't enough. The cheat industry is massive and a shitload of streamers are using custom ones but everytime they get caught they have white knights defending them even if they get banned by the game or do things like a 180° snap turn without even touching their mouse.
Multiplayer FPS games are a joke and it will only get worse with AI cheats.
This is one of the downsides when "gaming" is marketed to everyone and it's "competitive". Nu-kids have social pressure because they have been grown up with social media ingrained with their own idendity so hard they get depressed when they don't get enough likes. And these c**ts (or unfortunate victims?) want to emulate their favourite streamer. Now what is the result when people who don't even want to game think they are gamers and want to emulate some (probably cheating) streamer?
It's going to be pretty vicious for those who just want to enjoy little multiplayer now and then.
If you don't cheat, you deserve to lose.
I don't play online multiplayer pvp games
Why do cheats matter when most games are 10-20 tickrate now?
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