>Chet, writer for Team Fortress 2, said that the Meet Your Match Update killed the game
Someone from Valve finally fricking admitted it, Ganker WON
>Chet, writer for Team Fortress 2, said that the Meet Your Match Update killed the game
>Chet, writer for Team Fortress 2, said that the Meet Your Match Update killed the game
Someone from Valve finally fricking admitted it, Ganker WON
I’d rather have an Artifact update.
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
https://vocaroo.com/19EecS1flGrM
kino
Ebin
moron
Congratulations your continual shitposting got me to actually download artifact and play the tutorial.
Don't really like it.
It was better at launch when it was real playes also learning how to play.
Artifact actually got my adrenaline going, felt high. Like cocaine. Unironically
>Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase
Yeah all one of them.
if you post this in one more thread I'll make artifact 3.0, keep going anon.
>Your friend, Big Gaben
I admire your dedication, but Artifact is a piece of shit.
Im genuinely glad they did specifically because of you
how many years has it been? Keep fighting the good fight brother
Berniebro (Fire Emblem) didn't last as long as this guy. Win.
what the frick is artifact
that was pretty clear
keep crying nothing will change bud
Oh no, valve screwed over 1 single person.
>implement matchmaking a s a kneejerk reaction to imitate overwatch
>it makes the game infinitely worse
pottery
>implement matchmaking a s a kneejerk reaction to imitate overwatch
This really pissed me off, imagine removing a GOOD FEATURE in a game because another popular game is too stupid to have that good feature.
I noticed that with youtube music and spotify
I use youtube music because there are things I don't like with the spotify app (+ youtube has all video game music) and I feel like with every update yourube music tries to imitate spotify
Recently I noticed I couldn't swipe down a music to close it anymore, just like with spotify. Why the frick would you remove that seriously
use innertune moron
Thanks for the recommendation Black person
I'll try it but from the screenshots it doesn't look much different
>a good feature
It's been so long that I don't even remember what was there before quickplay, but I remember quickplay killing community servers by making it so pretty much only valve servers were allowed on there.
I would have never expected I would miss quickplay.
Actually for many people quickplay was pretty shit and they preffered to find a server on their own via browser. Still it was better than casual, easier to get you friends on your team and such
I think it could have been fine if we had quickplay AND the matchmaking, and actually had an incentive to play matchmaking besides the other option being taken away. Seriously, there's no point, leveling up doesn't do anything.
I would have loved play of the game to be a feature in tf2. How did valve look at overwatch and decide the thing to fricking copy was the fricking matchmaking.
you don't want that. you think you want that but you don't. every potg would be a soldier Crit kill, sniper montage or pyro w+m1 kritzkrieg. you would be furious with the game day 1.
It'd also get old real fast, matchmaking is shit because it just adds more time between gameplay, now imagine a kill cam (can the engine even do that?) after every game
>you don't want that. you think you want that but you don't
Hi Blizzard.
>every potg would be a soldier Crit kill, sniper montage or pyro w+m1 kritzkrieg. you would be furious with the game day 1
Complete non-issue, just design the POTG system to put value on more interesting kills. A crit scores low on the system, so does w+m1. Airshots, reflects, headshots, all the good shit scores higher. Even Blizzard was able to figure out to do this.
Had STAR_ never said anything about Overwatch being like TF2 (it isn't) for the sole reason being he wanted to transition his content to Overwatch and take his audience with him, MYM would have never happened.
literally whom
>STAR_
People really undersell how much he and other big tf2 ecelebs at the time screaming and shouting for a comp scene back then fricked things. And then they fricked off to overwatch anyway when it finally dropped.
Didn't the comp community fricking hate star_ for playing demoknight?
Still one of the best videos he's ever done.
Never forget Jerma explicitly mentioned that Valve had the necessity to segregate the community through matchmaking. What a moron
>never forget that Star_ literally sat in an Overwatch match and shit himself while playing
hot. source?
I'll never agree with him switching to ow, but I get the frustration with tf2 at the time.
>This is the guy who blamed the entire TF2 community for years for his YouTube channel dying
people used to shit on quickplay for killing muh community servers but newbies weren't around for that i suppose
Can't they like...
revert the fricking update? Nobody will miss the matchmaking
that will require valve to click2 buttons, that is way too much effort for post 2012 valve
valve is too busy doing uhhhhhhhhhhhh
vr exclusive tech demos.
valve is much more focused on hardware.
ummmmmmmm no sweaty
it makes too much sense which why they will never do it plus i think that the people at valve how pushed it have massive egos and they can't have their vision of the game compromised my any means
>plus i think that the people at valve how pushed it have massive egos and they can't have their vision of the game compromised my any means
Anon, Valve has the exact opposite problem. They're terrified that what they're making is bad, so they scrap and rebuild a thousand times. Half Life Alyx was completely rebuilt within the last 6 months of development, HL1 and 2 both suffered from leaks that caused a massive shift in direction. TF2 went through 2 separate phases before settling on the third, Portal 2 was rebuilt from its original light / perspective concept. L4D3 was entirely scrapped near the finish line because Valve wasn't happy with how incomplete Source 2 was at that stage.
Not this fricking shit again
>Half Life Alyx was completely rebuilt within the last 6 months of development,
No it wasn't. The entire story was indeed rewritten, but within the constraint of the level track staying exactly as it was. You cannot rebuild an entire game of Half-Life Alyx's scale in 6 months.
>HL1 and 2 both suffered from leaks that caused a massive shift in direction.
No they didn't. Compare the leaked Day One demo to retail Half-Life or the stolen 2003 files to retail Half-Life 2 and you will see absolutely no massive changes in direction.
Virtually all the user server infrastructure is gone, if they just took matchmaking out of the game 99% of the playerbase would lose where they could play the game.
I think anon is saying revert to quick play
the valve servers would still be intact
Quickplay was just proto matchmaking. It was a dark time.
You got dropped into pay to win servers
that motd thing that showed ads every time you died
They responded by just making it valve servers.
What they need is to overhaul the server browser and give you a quick guide to using it. The problem is the browser is ancient, it hasn't really changed since gold source games.
>it hasn't really changed since gold source games.
And that's a good thing.
I would at least like to be able to change the font size and have it remember what I resized it to.
what's wrong with the server browser? Just filter by map and sort by ping or players, hide full and pw protected servers and all is well. Then favorite the servers you like (ones with good ping, good amount of players and no moronic rules) and play from there). You can't tell me people are too moronic to even do that these days
It could do with some improvements to make it easier to use for non-technical users, like adding maps by their non-internal names, Like 2Fort, Gorge, Gorge (Control Points). Or things like the Add Common Tags menu not being generated based on what's in the browser in the moment.
Or searching by servers by Hostname
Hell the simplified server browser has been broken for years (And could do with bumping to let people pick from maps, and all servers hosting said maps rather than how it works now where you're only allowed the "best" matching server for any given map when it does work). Same for searching for servers running workshop maps.
zoomers have a nervous breakdown when they see a UI that doesn't resemble their smartphones
Like
said, I would unironically settle for Quickplay again over casual. It's not like I played before it, anyway.
Matchmaking just works on the co-opted Valve Servers. Just disable Matchmaking and turn them back into Valve Servers, and everything is fixed!
It even makes the game healthier, because everything is "drop in, drop out" when you want, rather than trying to strongarm the addicts into getting an EXP drip for their stupid fricking badge.
>zoomer too young to remember when the server browser was the ONLY way to play the game
YOU moronic SUBHUMAN, HOW THE FRICK WOULD I KNOW THAT THE USER SERVER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT USED TO EXIST IS GONE?
EXPLAIN, YOU FRICKING homosexual. I'M SICK TO DEATH OF YOU WORTHLESS FRICKING moronS WANDERING IN HERE, PRETENDING TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE GAME YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T.
>HOW THE FRICK WOULD I KNOW THAT THE USER SERVER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT USED TO EXIST IS GONE?
what the frick are you babbling about you dumbshit? do you think there's something magical about running a dedicated server?
Because if you weren't 16 you would have seen it with your eyes
That’d require way more work than updating localization files and sending emails to workshoppers.
Valve physically can't "undo the matchmaking update".
The existing user infrastructure is gone, and the social usability of the internet doesn't exist these days either.
unironically just let them learn
they found out how to rocket jump, they can navigate a basic spreadsheet
>oh but the shock will make them angry about it
literally just takes even 1 of their youtuber gods to say "oh finally! its back ti how it used to be! this is good!" for them all to accept it
Valve doesn't care enough about TF2 to even consider doing anything at all
Probably for the best. We'd get cancerous updates like CS:GO got if they still gave a shit about TF2.
It's less that they don't care, more that if they start working on TF2 at large, they're immediately going to be met with several youtubers and their mentally ill fanbases harassing them and honestly, why bother with that when they can just go work on CS:2 where they only whine about legitimately annoying shit.
Like not having Danger Zone.
Calm down, Gabe
Shut up, bootlickers.
Also how many times did TF2 "die" already? Sick of these homosexual ass takes.
OP is a homosexual.
This is what people have been saying for years at this point.
It killed the sense of community as well as fricked up the unique balance the weapons had.
Big G is mad..
This was obvious to anyone who cared long before the update came out. "Pro" tf2 players are literally the worst players in the entire game. They do not actually enjoy tf2 or it's mechanics and want nothing but it to be a different game entirely.
But no. TF2 died with the Mannconomy update. Everything after that was just shooting a corpse full of lightning and saying the twitching was life. Meet your match just FORCED the average player to realize how shit things had gotten. Anyone with any talent left the TF2 team ages ago.
Correct, the original Orange Box was literally designed as a good product to sell to consumers that needed to compete with other products in a competitive market, once it's sales dropped they changed the game to f2p and added cosmetics and other cancers that detract from gameplay in order to keep milking the existing playerbase for all they got.
After the relative financial failure of MvM (the team's first attempt to make even playing the game itself cost money) they went on the hip "competitive" train and made their own Competitive mode with MyM (the team's second attempt to make even playing the game itself cost money) to compete with "successful" Overwatch and it was an even worse financial failure, finally with Jungle Inferno (the team's third attempt to make even playing the game itself cost money by having a paid version of the previous update's contract system) Valve gave up on adding new monetization schemes (which if you've ever noticed IS the only time Valve has updated TF2 beyond holiday mode lol).
The new server queuing in place of Quickplay is just a side effect that Valve didn't ever consider an issue (beyond launch 1 vs 7 servers for first 3/4ths the map lol)
>the team's first attempt to make even playing the game itself cost money
Por que?
competitive passes
Ah.
mann up tickets
don't know why he's complaining about them though considering you can just play boot camp for free
Who the frick is this fat guy? Is he a TF2 pro?
ChuaN is an ASShomosexualS pro mainly known for being the only man to ever get a professional game of DOTA 2 paused (mid match) so he could have a snack break. Basically he's as chad as they come.
He's Chuan, the player who eats the best players
>tf2 died when people could give each other hats because I still didn't have any
Frick off moron, trading is only shit now because to give a friend a fricking sydney sleeper is a convoluted process where you have to verify on your phone and wait a month.
I miss idle item farming
You had a bigger chance to drop something if you die too
>trading requires 2fa
wait, what?
Yeah, all trading needs 2fa or a minimum wait of two weeks (generally longer depending on what you're trading and who you're trading with)
holy shit, that's cancer.
glad i dropped tf2 years ago.
It was always shit, you were always a homosexual.
>You noticed my attempts at pretending to be an oldgay??
>THE WHOLE GAME IS SHIT THERE'S NO POINT TO IT
Then why are you here, cousin
>THE WHOLE GAME IS SHIT THERE'S NO POINT TO IT
There is a point to it. The gameplay, which wasn't tradehomosexualry.
I said Mannconomy, moron. A lot more happened there than just trading. And no, I had hats by that point. Anyone who actually played the game did. You clearly were not there for that update or the huge shitshow it was at the time. Even Valve admitted, within the month, that they fricked up and ended up reverting a ton of shit. It was not enough.
And before you start screeching "oldgay cancer" I will gladly remind you the only reason Valve did not continue to force item sets with fricking stat bonuses in TF2 is BECAUSE those oldgays flamed them until they stepped back in line. That update was the murder weapon here. Only an ignorant moron would say otherwise.
It is that very update that allowed F2P to seem acceptable. They are connected as much as the shitshow that was MvM was only normalized BECAUSE of trading. It all goes back to the Mannconomy update. They tried to experiment and too much of it stayed in the fricking game.
I say all this as someone who enjoyed the hat concept, by the way. I have no issue with it. But what they chose to do with it was abysmal. The game is still playable, but only someone who missed out on it's glory days would say it's the same game. They killed that game years ago.
They put a punishment in for leaving casual games. They literally ripped shit straight from OW with no shame and only after every player on Earth yelled at them did they realize how fricking moronic that was.
That is the kind of team working on TF2. The kind who have NO CLUE WHAT THE FRICK THEY ARE DOING.
>Meet your match just FORCED the average player to realize how shit things had gotten
This. You always used to get valve apologists with tf2. That whenever valve made an update there would always be something that was a horrible idea but you would always get fricking fanboys who were delusional that valve always knew what they were doing.
Then meet your match happened and it was so bad on an objective level that no one was able to continue pretending valve knew what they were doing. It was kind of funny seeing people forced to finally admit the game was being handled by people who didn't know what they were doing.
Not like the playerbase has spent the better part of a decade expressing these exact thoughts.
When someone who actually worked and played the game knew shit was moronic, how in the frick did it not get rolled back anyway?
I'm guessing it has to do with the gay discord troony tier clique/hierarchy thing going on at Valve. Some higherup with a cactus up his ass refusing to admit he was wrong?
I pray that whoever came up with backporting CSGO slop into TF2 reincarnates as a wienerroach.
The seethe was unreal, and rightfully so. Valve was steering right into a tree and there was nothing anyone could do but watch it get closer and closer. Not even the bot crisis made people completely red in anger as MyM did.
>TF2 died with the Mannconomy update.
This is the harsh truth.
>tfw when tf2 turned into a beta test for their 0.5% lootbox scam while using other people's work
>tfw when f2p gachagays lap it up
it's sad really
TF2 was much more fun in the 2010's era pretty much it's peak popularity as a casual game.
Why does he spend so much time to say one thing?
He's a gamer.
college papers in a nutshell
he's a writer.
imagine having a to write a 400 page novel. you'd talk a lot of bullshit too
he's just making the point clear and with detail which is fine + he's an old man
is there a more boomer name than chet
George
Heh, he's just a writer...
Uncle Dane was really confident when he said that MyM didn't kill TF2, so I am going to listen to him instead of some random janitor that worked at Valve.
Uncle Dane thinks that men can magically will themselves into becoming women and he bans anyone from his servers who attempts to dispute this insane belief.
Compgays absolutely btfo
It was Valve’s own hubris, driven by the success of CSGO, that made MyM so terrible. They could have kept the beta format of having matchmaking only for competitive mode with quickplay remaining as the casual mode, but since Valve was already backporting features from CSGO, they went an extra step too far.
compgays wanted matchmaking for competitive, which valve did a shite job implementing
it was actually decent in the beta too
>Comp player around the time of meet your match
>Update drops
>Me and my team queue for competitive together to test it out
>Play a few rounds
>It's shit
>We queue for casual to check it out
>It's worse than before
>because we can all easily team stack we can just take over the game and run the show
>After a few rounds my team gets bored and some of us play on community servers while the rest only play when we have a match/scrim
The myth of competitive players demanding a matchmaking queue from valve will never stop irritating me. I was there, we hated it too. Even hated most of the weapon rebalancing because it took the fun out of the casual aspects out. There's like one change in it I think I liked and it was a nerf/buff to spy of some kind to make him less frustrating to deal with but more consistent to play.
But valve did listen to comp players for feedback
?t=210
>We're also doing a bunch of broad game balancing, so looking at a bunch of the weapons that the competitive players have given us feedback on specifically. In this case, we want to start to look at the game a little more closely at the high level in terms of balance too
Yes this was after MYM and before JI but I don't think it was really any different for MYM
Yes and they didn't listen to any of the suggested changes and did their own thing. I vaguely remember b4nny whining about it on stream and the tf2 competitive discussion revolved around, "WHY VALVE WHY."
>Tyler Mchomosexual
That's not a reliable source for anything.
>Half-Life 3 soon guys!
>It's coming this year!
>They're gonna announce it any day now!
I can understand it. They probably wanted data on the most used weapons, what weapons are used in what situations, etc. valve gets how people play casually but competitive tf2 is flat out a different game so figuring it out is a bit harder.
>Source is literally coming from Dave Riller saying it on camera
>Uhhhh it's not true! It's not reliable cuz Tyler!
>ignores the first half of my point
Nice job moron. Go back to jerking off Zestyhomosexual and pretending he's not a shitter like you.
REMINDER:
nta but compgays get dominated all the time
I dominated b4nny just a few days ago.
One of my troony friend actually got b4nny to ragequit instantly because he headshot him once.
>one of my troony friend
stopped reading there
>once
started reading there
>I dominated b4nny just a few days ago.
>Engineer
>I
Your aimbot minion dominated him
>ignores the first half of my point
Sorry I trust the actual fricking dev saying it in person than b4nny just mumbling about it in some random stream
>Pulls out Zesty for no fricking reason
rent free
>The dev says comp players gave suggestions!
>The comp players all unanimously agree the patch is shit
>Somehow, this makes it comp players fault
Knew you were a zesty homosexual by your lack of knowledge on the subject. Cope. Your savior is as shitter just like (you).
lol yeah, B4nny is trash in casual. He forgets sometimes that people aren't constantly called so you can flank the shit out of him it's great. Still have a perfect record against him.
I don't get your obsession with Zesty, the frick do I care
Both parties are to blame, whatever comp players Valve reached out to for suggesting shitty ideas and Valve for implementing them
>The comp players all unanimously agree the patch is shit
You mean AFTER, the update came out, and it was only because of shit like
>Turbine is in the map pool
>The weapons we don't like are still in the game
>>Half-Life 3 soon guys!
Name one time he said this
Most people suggested weapon bans similar to hero bans in games like LoL and Dota2 but for some reason Valve seemed dead set on having no restrictions.
Is Comp TF2 still active?
I want to give it a try, Overwatch and Valorant are the current "competitive" shooters and that's a fricking joke
The latter literally installs a rootkit and doesn't even stop cheaters
Comp TF2 still exists but they don't use the official competitive because they weren't given granular enough control to ban weapons, maps, players and have re-quarantined themselves to the mega gay zone.
as active as the game, yeah
try the following based on your region (just googling it works)
NA - rgl
EU - etf2l
AUS - ozfortress
asia - asiafortress
good luck on your competitive journey. do understand that it is as much of a social game as it is a skill based game if you wish to win anything meaningful
This. I cant name one fricking game that became better because the developers listened to the compBlack folk.
CompBlack folk dont play the game for fun, they're like speed runners, it's a pathology and obsession to them. The best games, even for the competitive scene, dont listen to compBlack folk at all.
Glad to see it. Compgays are Black folk. I once had a compgay roommate and I almost ending up murdering the guy because he was so fricking obnoxious.
Based. Meet Your Match killed TF2, and the bots and cheaters are the maggots infesting its rotting corpse. Ganker is in complete fricking denial about how bad TF2 is right now.
I guess it's nice to know that not everyone at Valve, past or present, is blind to what killed TF2 and the stubbornness of refusing to go back on it.
Metagays ruined L4d and TF2...It's over boys
The introduction of team sided mics is the thing I hate the most
Compsisters....our response?
Suck their tongues and go back to grinding for the gold, ofc. They are genuinely brainless people.
total compBlack person death
Final Solution to the Compgay question when?
let them run competitive on their own private servers like it was ages ago and let Valve host only casual servers
holy frick is that acne all over his face or is he just a crippling alcoholic?
looks like rosacea
probably this
but I suspect a bit of alcohol too
he's got boomeritis, high blood pressure and cholesterol makes his face red
I’m 30 and still get acne…
feels bad man
31 and and very mild if ever on my face but bad on the rest of my body despite major scrubbing
>Pyrogays killed the game
I WILL ALWAYS BE CORRECT!
>it le killed le game
>has 10x the players as 10 years ago
yeah ok boomer
Chet should not pretend to be an authority after making anacrusis
I don't get why devs leave their games to rot like this instead of just making them f2p or something
He knows what happened to TF2
I don't know how my friends still play this shit. Matchmaking just fricking sucks and now nobody even tries to jump on fun custom servers.
Did anyone genuinely enjoy the matchmaking system? It took so much longer to get into a lobby than it took to just hop onto an official Valve server via the server browser.
Matchmaking does have problems but lets not rose tint glasses the past. Before matchmaking Valve servers were constant mid-match autobalances, then before that it was all pubstomps where no vote to scramble the teams ever went through.
There are problems with matchmaking but this guys rambling only makes him sound like an idiot who can't articulate any reason why.
Genocide all compgays
whats wrong with his face?
looks like some type of rosacea
Uncle Lame is responsible for the compgay push to ruin the game.
Tyler McBlack person is responsible for the source code leak that allowed bots to ruin the game.
There's a reason Gabe and so many other key players in Valve hate these morons. Journo cretins to the fricking extreme. No talent, no purpose. Just drag everyone else down with their mediocrity. The average 12 year old Brazilian smashing his keyboard playing spy is worth more.
And no, i'm not snogging GabeN's butthole. The man has gotten lazy and shit WILL hit the fan when he finally shoves that last hot pocket down his gullet (entirely due to his laziness in prepping for death) but pretending these boobtube grifters aren't a blight is fricking deranged.
The decline has already begun. I know several troony interns who got hired to work on tf2/half-life. They're literally all LGBT freaks.
And they're very mediocre zoomer programmers. They're younger than 25, and have very little to 0 guidance from the OG team which has mostly left.
>That one that keeps mocking Zesty Jesus on twitter and let the Trans Rights Easter egg in
It's unironically over, I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't addressing bots to upset people who still enjoy this "chud" game
the bots were made by a troony named nullifiedcat in russia too lmao.
>I know several troony interns who got hired to work on tf2/half-life.
It's literally just Eric and the contractor, who's a dude with a penis and wants to keep said penis. Everyone else at Valve fricked off to Dota, CS:2, VR, or Linux because they don't want to deal with the annoying fricking homosexual youtubers or trannies.
Closest real example you have is the guys that made koth_krampus were invited to playtest the map.
And let me just add an asterisk on this, when I say
>were invited to playtest the map
I'm referring to a netgame.
the contractor doesn't work on TF2 since like a year now
It's just Eric now
>troony programmers
God they're the only programmers somehow worse than pajeets.
Valve doesn't hire interns
Nice try though
>Tyler McBlack person is responsible for the source code leak
You're moronic
I'm glad someone at Valve realizes what a fricking mistake MyM was. Christ.
my favorite is when you're playing on your server and so many matchmaking randoms get dumped in they start dictating the rules and shit. absolutely horrible.
Meet your Match didn't really even do anything. You just click play and get some map and server. The bots did. Now you pretty much have to play on community servers unless you want to spend half the match vote kicking.
>Meet your Match didn't really even do anything. You just click play and get some map and server
That's the problem, you fricking moron. That's EXACTLY what it did. When people had to go into the server browser and click on a server, the constant flow of randoms coming and going in between waves of server regulars are what kept community servers (and, by extension, the COMMUNITIES THAT RAN THEM) alive. Now you can't have a community server without some discord/steam group "organized playtimes" homosexualry because there's nobody keeping the server active during the off-hours any more.
Before Meet your Match you just picked one of the Valve Matchmaking Server #1234 from the server list. With Meet your Match those servers are gone and instead you get to your Valve Matchmaking Server #1234 through the matchmaker. Community servers still exist like always.
>Before Meet your Match you just picked one of the Valve Matchmaking Server #1234 from the server list.
Unless you saw a non-Valce server that caught your eye, and tried that. Or you used Quickplay, which put you in vanilla-ish Community Servers that would often have a !hop command to allow people to jump to less vanilla servers in their network.
Now, you just get slapped into the matchmaking machine and never have even a chance of ending up with a real community.
You are WRONG.
You can still use the server browser. Stop with this endless doom posting.
Not to join a valve server. And match making servers are moronic. It used to be a map would be on for about 40 minutes and you could vote to extend time or change map. Now its best out of 3 then the map changes. It gets really shitty whenever there is steam rolling which is pretty common.
You were just complaining about lack of regulars and now you want to join to random Valve servers where you play against a team of 6 brazilian sniper kids on their moms laptop?
I'm not him moron. And yeah random valve servers that I can browse > match making severs.
Did you just completely ignore what I fricking said, moron? The issue is that matchmaking existing at all takes random "pubbies" away from the community server, which results in the community servers going empty when waves of regulars are not there. People aren't going to join an empty server alone, which means regulars don't join either, and the server dies. This process was even accelerated by Valve making contracts impossible to obtain on non-Matchmaking servers, essentially bribing users to abandon the server browser entirely.
If you don't remember how many fricking fantastic community servers died in the wake of MyM, you're too much of a newbie to be involved in this discussion.
If anything it made the community servers have even more regulars than before. There are now less server but the communities are more tight. People who don't care about community can just keep playing the Valve servers.
Not an argument. Think about it. A game (server) with 10 000 unique players vs 1 000 unique players. Which one do you think has more regulars?
The one with 10.000.
Holy moron
I much prefered having a server browser to join valve servers than match making. With a server browser can I see all the active servers and instantly join which one I want. With match making I have to wait until it picks one for me.
>removed vote to scramble teams, leading to unbalanced gameplay
>added an unnecessary ranking feature, so you know instantly when your team is shit
>added a shit autobalance feature
The only real difference is quickplay in the past included community servers assuming they met the algorith requirements, now only Valve servers are part of quickplay.
>Click play
>Wait 30 seconds to several minutes to join a lobby of people
>Wait even longer to load a map
>It’s at the very end of the match and you’re assigned to the losing team
>Tons of people leave the server as everyone is forced onto a new map after like 3 rounds
>Teams are completely imbalanced due to people leaving
>This causes more people to leave because no one wants to fight a 4v8 where one team has a Medic pocketing some homosexual
>Can’t choose teams and are assigned to a team as you load into the server, but the game will recognize a 4 player 4 loading in team as 8 full players anyways
>Match is either boring because you’re stomping the other team due to player skill and number advantage, or boring because you can’t leave spawn without encountering 3 players by yourself
>You leave and look for another game, repeating the cycle
Then account for bots too.
$20 for a game good
$140 for a game bad
>If overwatch hadn't come out with the moronic e-sports bullshit, competitive wouldn't have been added to TF2, at least so soon
>Meanwhile overwatch since then has turned into a shambling corpse only propped up by whales
>Like TF2
Huh. So overwatch did kill TF2 after all.
why is he so red
rattman looking homie
balding 35 yo trooncel game
For a smart guy, he sucks at making games by himself
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1120480/The_Anacrusis/
he's 100% right, meet your match completely ruined the game.
nothing is going to bring me as much joy as playing this game when i was still a carefree kid, its about time it dies off at some point i really don't want to see it getting raped even more by cheaters and imaginary gender flag people
so what's the solution?
just tell people to stop trying to win in a videogame?
getting people to play on good vanilla community servers
Nobody wants PabloSantiago88 with 300 ping into their community servers anyway.
that's what votekick is for
Such as?
MYM is directly responsible for the deaths of the good community servers moron.
Every last one of them
Ignore eceleb grifters and compBlack folk
7 years later and I am still seething.
Frick comptrannies adn frick Valve.
I still remember the first few hours the MyM released
everyone was fricking seething over it
All they had to do was add matchmaking on top of what the game had. But no, they had to remove all valve servers.
So are they going to fix it now?
Remove matchmaking, community servers are all you need.
And please port TF2 to current consoles so I can play it again before I die.
literally everything about tf2 would be improved by the removal of matchmaking
It was pretty clear at the time that mym was an attempt to make tf2 modernize with what was perceived as its main competitor, Overwatch.
They weren't just trying to appease compgays, they wanted the comp scene to grow because they were already making tons of money off of the scenes for CSGO and Dota 2 respectively. When that didn't work, they set up the contract + war paint system to have one more effective way of monetizing the game and then left it at that for the most part.
It's been 7 years you Black person.
Quit pretending that the competitive update TOTALLY had nothing to do with the competitive community.
>writer
>for a game focused entirely on gameplay
who gives a shit what this moron thinks?
Nonono anon you don't get it, I HAVE TO doompost about an update that came out 6 years ago! I have to!
homosexual
He’s the one who wrote most of the voice commands and responses that people quote endlessly and help provide context for events in-game
>waah waah players don't socialize anymore
I don't like tryharding either, but normalgays who insist on everyone playing same way as them deserves all the suffering.
>t. compgay troony
There's no way a moron is actually defending meet your match in this thread, no fricking way
It's been ages. What did Meet Your Match bring to the table besides matchmaking?
>search community servers
>either 24/7 turbine or hightower
I haven't played fastlane in almost 10 years, frick Valve
host a fastlane server yourself
Oh god I forgot Fastlane. I loved Fastlane. I miss Fastlane.
I miss all the custom maps.
So many good maps that sit abandoned because people refuse to branch out.
I hate what multiplayer gaming has become.
>Despise Compgays with all his might
>Constantly sabotaged by Trannies due to his criticism towards Valve shitty practice
>Won
WHO WILL STOP HIM?
who's that
/our/ tf2tuber
Zesty Jesus
A based TF2 Youtuber (probably the only one.)
Eh, he's alright for getting people to actually pay attention to the TF2 workshop and for not spreading FUD about Sprays and Decals, but he's still got youtuber Brain Cancer where he thinks he's an authority on what should and shouldn't go in the game.
BUY A FRICKING AD homosexual
No one until he can find a qt3.14gf who can tolerate his bionicle obsession.
Then he'll spend less time on his hobby.
So it might be awhile...
He has a gf though
He does?
First I've heard of it.
Is she cute or is she a whale?
He's never shown her for privacy reasons, so take that as you will
iirc he did show a prom pic with her face blurred out, but not sure it's the same girl
A wise policy.
Zesty is the only reason I haven't completely abandoned TF2.
I agree with him on almost everything and his taste in 2d women is sublime but he gets borderline hysterical about his opinions like a react youtuber. When he's calmly stating or refuting something he's fine but once he starts raising his voice and making strawman arguments it just undermines his own - already correct - point.
He gives off some manchild energy (like everybody who plays TF2 these days) but he's unironically right about most things and the fact he lives in twitter trannies' heads rent free is a testament to that.
I always hoped for a Valve server when using quickplay back in the day.
At best, a community server was basically the same, but you usually get spammed with ads and shit plugins that disrupt the experience.
They should do something to make community servers and mods more prevalent, but turning the "i just want to play a game of normal TF2" button into russian roulette of bullshit isn't the way.
The real crime is how people joining mid-game is bugged to shit and having to reload after every two games instead of letting you play as long as you want on a single map.
It's amazing that TF2 lasted as long as it did. Live service games are cancer.
>listening to Chet in current year
You are listening to the guy that shat out Anacrusis. He has nothing worth listening to say.
Yet he is still right.
He's not working at valve anymore is he? That always works wonders for making these people a million times more honest.
community servers were full of bronies and ban happy troony cliques. quick play you can actually just jump into random games with normal people.
Compgays pretty much ruined TF2. Who knew they would influence Valve to fricking remove quickplay and that it would influence the game to go to shit so badly? Now we just have trannies that manipulate community made content to be added into the game so they can profit off of it. Compgays don't even touch the dedicated comp features Meet Your Match added. Majority of players are sweaty tryhards that also somehow play like shit at the same time. E-celebs have also polluted the game too.
I played TF2 last month for the first time in 8 years but for some reason I wasn't enjoying it and I couldn't figure out why.
They removed quickplay? Maybe that's it.
Compgays didn't ask valve to remove quickplay
TF2 is like a pig in the sense that every part of it has some use, mechanically it works great both as a casual and competitive game, and in their way the community balanced it out incredibly well, once Valve decided to stick their nose in and try to cater to one group but not really and try to make a setting that would fit everyone that's when things started going down, the balancing also took a big hit and now we are left with pretty big stinkers that will forever stay incredibly bad or in a state of relevance that is more annoying to fight against than fun to use.
>Meet Your Match Update killed the game
Mannconomy killed tf2.
moron
The one silver lining to Meet Your Match is that it definitively proved that matchmaking is a plague killing multiplayer gaming.
No, it was Tough Break.
And everyone FRICKING knows it so why are we still talking about this?
Gun Mettle and Tough Break were just the beginning of the end. They were the ones which started backporting CSGO features, and Meet Your Match is the ultimate result of that experimental phase.
In Tough Break they balanced around moronic comp meta that wasn't even stable to begin with, ruined fun for casual players, and deleted the actual identity of the degreaser because they were too fricking stupid to realize that a stunlock "puff-sting" with an airblast was different than just lighting on fire than following up with a generic combo because the airblast removes the ability of the other player to move and fight back.
So instead of unfricking the stunlock at that exact moment they fricking did it later on AFTER fricking the degreaser.
They could have made it -50% damage if -10% wasn't enough, it was always a fun challenge to outstrafe other pyros at disadvantage.
Man that was my main strange with parts and everything and they KILLED it rather than remove shitty stunlock and nerf the phlog
This. Gun Mettle is underhated for the uninspired garbage it was.
>gun mettle and tough break
Yep, someone gets it
I remember beginning to play TF2 during the Two Cities and Love and War update. I have seen it turn into a husk of its former self over the years. Stopped playing when MYM came out because casual is so bad, and the only reason to play was community server gamemodes like Freak Fortress 2. Rest in Peace TF2.
What if TF2 would have copied Ultimates from Overwatch, instead of fricking matchmaking?
tf2 already has pseudo ultimates in the form of ubers and banners
I'll say it again, they should have copied Play Of The Game.
>demoman stickytrapping a hallway/payload checkpoint/ethereal piece of map geometry gets play of the game for the billionth time
Woooow
>Old sandman is effectively Ana's sleep dart
>Mad milk and Jarate are rechargable mass debuff
>The existence of banners and uber
>Natascha
TF2 has plenty of Overwatch-ish mechanics.
then it would be even worse moron
One thing OW does better than TF2 is that ultimates have team-specific voice lines so you know if it's a friend or foe. Could be useful in TF2 for things like Uber and charging demos.
We already have it somewhat with the banners
No
Meet Your Match was the closest I got to completely giving up on TF2. What a dogshit update.
Old Valve spent nearly a decade on creating the game, crafting it purely to be a fun pub experience. New Valve only cared about betraying that design in order to force another success with CSGO, even though the two games were on opposite ends of the spectrum. One was made purely to be a competitive esport, the other a fun and social game you played after work to relax.
I think it's hilariously ironic that what "killed" TF2 in the end were several updates trying to modernize the game, as if fulfilling the niche of a chill non-sweaty shooter you could play with autismos screeching about metas or ranked grinding and whatever else gay shit is meant to extract engagement out of morons these days.
And ever since Valve doubled down on their mistakes there's still a huge void left for shooters that are made for fun in mind rather than being an esports grindfest you're supposed to treat like a job with seasonal passes, dailies, and fomo events/ items etc.
Best TF2 maps? For me, it's Upward because I like to sticky bomb and rocket jump
Wutville
>He made a 4 min vid about shit we already knew instead of making a 4 min video on the final tf2 comic
Jay Pinkerton was the lead writer of the comics, he says as such in the video
Did he say why Jay could join the vid and talk about the final comic? No? Thought so, b***h.
gay Black personton deleted this tweet
he's probably taking this to the grave
I thought this had already gotten leaked, although I guess it could've been an elaborate fanfiction by some random anon.
I've screenshotted that "leak" and read nothing about it
I'm waiting for the comic to release in 40 years and check if Anon was right
Without giving any spoilers, it sounded about right for what I'd expect but also I disagree with its conclusion.
care to share?
It's small conform but I can finally rub this into every comptroony's face
i dont understand why meat your match was so hated, if you were to undo it and bring the game to the state prior, youd still basically have matchmaking but you just picked your own mode, just like if you were filtering modes
MYM also did this thing where you had to reload an entire server after round end instead of replaying until map change.
it's been said a million times over.
No more browsing Valve servers though the server browser
Friends initially couldn't join mid-game initially
Servers changed map every game, restarting the server killed the flow
No more map rotations like in QP
No sprays in matchmaking
No mods in matchmaking
Probably a ton of other shit my brain blocked out.
Quickplay didn't have queues. You picked a game mode or browsed for a specific server, and you joined it instantly.
The ability to pick servers would have worked wonders to combat bots. You would be able to just check the players on a given server and see before even joining if it was bot filled or not. MYM made it so you could be just thrown into a server that was bot filled and you could do nothing about it.
yeah, RIP all those maps that never got any play anymore after the 24/7 koth / ctf / payload valve votemap servers went down. Frick forced competitive
Selecting specific maps to play is the one (1) thing that casual mode is good for, even if some have longer queues than others
RIP nightfall and pipeline, especially nightfall. completely died after the update and ive maybe played nightfall 8 times after all these years
I swear the trace of this looks familiar but I can't put my finger on it. Animated movie?
It's from that Spider-Man 2 game, the part where Venom chokes out MJ.
It's fricking maddening when they revert the deserved nerf of stickybomb launcher that it's impossible to have any balancing towards fricking explosive classes
Demoman and Soldier are both very easy to self destruct with. They are both pretty friendly to new players who just want to blow stuff up, but said new players are also the ones most liable to blow themselves up.
Noobs die no matter what class they play, and that "weakness" doesn't hold back people who actually know what they're doing while giving said veterans a fairly beefy class with insanely high damage output and mobility.
I think I should take a bait this time, demo and soldier are classes that basically do 60% of the work themselves
Without moron and Black person in your team there would be nobody to push through huge nest, nobody to spam corridors so a huge crowd won't come in and rape your medic gf and camper civilians like sniper and engie, you think spy or scout can do that job? They are here just to take off one guy so he won't kill actual huge impact targets, they can't reliably team wipe
When you try to 1v1 a work horse of enemy team you should keep in mind that he has to fight dozens of people like you while you only have to kill him
However soldiers and demos that are roaming and spawncamping are gays
We know why the game's balance sucks their dicks anon, it still doesn't change the fact the game's balance sucks their dicks.
Demo and Soldier stay winning.
insane homosexual image for losers
>Sniper
>High skill
You literally only need to know how to click heads or just install an aimbot that can't be detected. It's the lowest skill class since you are never in danger except against another homosexual sniper. The myth of snipers in games being hard to play is so fricking cringe.
Can we at least still keep the GMOD/SFM vids? Or the general fun of casual, server based, TF2 where we all just frick around and have fun?
I mean I knew TF2 proper is gone, and the comic will never fricking get a ending. But I don't want to end it all on something so fricking sour to admit.
>SKIBIDI TOILET SFM VIDEOS
frick no, this community is dead and buried. let it rest
Some tard is making a game of it now
The way this guy talks, it's so obvious they truly cared and loved what they worked on before. Team Fortress 2 was lightning in a bottle and something like it will probably never happen again.
How hard would it be to get a job at Valve? Surely at least one of you Black folk has the chops to get in and revert to quickplay before they give you the boot.
By this point, I'm sure that some new hire or even a bitter old employee like Chet already tried to unfrick some of the issues, but were shot down by higher-ups who are content with updates just being community assets.
You can get hired, but you can't just say "alright I'm gonna exclusively work on TF2!"
They'll put you where your skills are needed, which for Valve is definitely not on TF2
>They'll put you where your skills are needed
valve has an open project system where people work on whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want so long as they're making productive results. this is one of the benefits of a private company with a massive pool of money not having to make shareholders happy, but also a reason why something like TF2 is suffering, because people can decide to just stop working on it
They can't work on anything they want in reality
some former valve employees commented on it and it turned out you can only work on what's popular or you'll get fired
IIRC in the Final Hours of Alyx they mention that they've already changed their structure since it clearly didn't work considering the massive gap in games they've had+the no hierarchy leads to high school style drama and popularity contests. What is one guy determined to work on TF2 going to do when the rest of the company is working on the next big project?
>Hey anon, we need your skills on (REDACTED)
>B-but I'm trying to fix TF2
>Haha...oh you're serious.
Plus you should remember performance reviews. There's a reason why companies like to push meaningless updates that might make things worse. If asked you can say you did this and that. Say that you've been exclusively trying to unfrick TF2 with nothing to show and they'll show you the door.
Unless someone like Robin Walker, someone who has the seniority to get his own team, decides to fix TF2, it ain't happening.
yeah, valves old 'do whatever you want to' team style worked when Valve was smaller and only had the manpower to be able to work on like 2/3 things at a time max if they really pushed it.
but these days? Valve has just way, WAY too many moving parts for that to be sustainable since it leads to nothing getting done because everyone is bouncing around too much
>I miss the old TF2, the run-and-gun TF2
>The play for fun TF2, the 'Meet Your Match' stunned TF2
>I hate the changed TF2, the compgay TF2
>The not the same TF2, turned into a fake TF2
>I miss the casual TF2, the silly matches TF2
>See I was fan of TF2, a veteran of TF2
>I used to play TF2, I used to stay in TF2
>And now I'm leaving this TF2, the not the same TF2
>The bots have won TF2, the joy's all done from TF2
quickplay and matchmaking both sucked ass
get rid of official servers and make morons use the server browser again
doesn't TF2 have more players than ever? it has like 6 times more than this "golden age" he speaks about in the vid
It has more bots than ever, which account for half of the game's active players at any given time.
that's still 3x more players than before
>that's still 3x more players than before
golden age TF2 had >70k active players daily
He doesn’t strictly mean the number of players, he means the ways in which TF2 used to be fun before matchmakimg stripped them down
This 100%. Meet Your Match queue system and the removal of
>Valve servers
>all-talk votes
>Mute votes
>Next Map votes
completely made the game worse. I gave up TF2 in 2017, came back in 2023 with the Hale update, but dropped again as I can't really have run with the shitty queue system and how fricking dead private servers are.
>Never ever
>Want to connect to the server your friend is currently playing on? Sorry, Ad-hoc connections only!
>Want to easily see what servers you can play on so you don't join an empty server? Sorry, the matchmaker will do that for you!
>Want to connect instantly to the server you want? Sorry, the matchmaker will take a long-ass time to find one (1) server!
>Want to choose which team you're on? Nope!
>Want your friend to be on the opposing team? Coming Soon! (never)
>Want to spectate? Lol!
>Want to play Arena? We just flat out removed that for some reason
Amazing how much shit this update removed. But hey, we got minimal viewmodels so that's nice!
Removing the ability to switch teams, spectate, and vote for next map and all-talk took away so much soul from the game.
I want to live in the timeline where MyM never happened
It'd be nice to live in the version of reality of where most of the state of Team Fortress 2 isn't Cankle Strain and troony Thangs hosting bots to try and get valve to appoint them as moderators so they can start jannying the actual game 99% of the community plays.
Or armchair developers impotently screaming about weapons they want ruined even though Valve stopped listening to them years ago "to fix the game balance".
Quickplay* never happened
quickplay wasnt even that bad because you could still join into valve servers from the server browser.
>quickplay wasnt even that bad
It was the first nail in the coffin for community servers
>when the game ends after a couple of rounds on a map
shit is just disgusting and i leave instantly.
>join a game of 2Fort
>Scout quickcaps because your team is moronic
>Literally only get to play 1 round and now we are on to votemap
Baffling that they set a 2 round limit on PL and CP and 1 round limit on all other modes.
What is wrong with his skin?
>chuds crying that TF2 is dead
>it gets an update an hour ago
https://steamcommunity.com/games/TF2/announcements/detail/3866967812859742103
>Fixes to a single map that the map creator sent Valve and all they did was just upload them
TF2 is #saved guyz!!!!
>valve killed the game with shitty updates
>also valve please update the game even know the last ten major updates were dogshit that made the game worse overall
So which one is it?
>fixed obscure errors on a single map
>doesn't fix bots
lol
lmao, even
Guys I just want new weapons it's been 6 years
I just want them to unfrick everything they nerfed.
>Too many people have this one item equipped, lets just completely ruin it instead of buffing the underpreforming weapons in that slot
>Oops, half the weapons in the game are filler now
>this new summer update will feature maps, items, and who knows what else?
>uh actually we meant community fixes
That was telling you without any ambiguity that it was time to move on.
Best part is they didn't even add the "promised" community fixes
They actually did, it's just that most of what they implemented wasn't stuff like
Blue Scout has blue pants.
anon, if i was working on that game i'd give you tons of new weapons
Do you think we'll ever get a proper TF3? Or will it just be a "CS2" treatment that's a glorified patch? Or will it just be nothing?
I'd love a TF3 that keeps the art style of TF2 (I think its genuinely one of the best in all of gaming) and general gameplay but trims the fat and doesn't run like dogshit for a 16 year old game.
"Proper" TF3 would mean it'd be a unique experience only somewhat similar to TF2 like TF2 was to Team Fortress. It's a wild card, but with how attached people are to the game I think most would consider it a monkey's paw even it ends up being good in it's own ways.
TF2 S2 would be the safest bet, but I imagine it'd launch in a disastrous state that'd take years to patch up into what it should be. Both are probably still better than nothing.
Even if Valve has been dragging their feet to an obscene degree with releasing the linux tools they have, a source 2 version is sort of inevitable as Hammer gets progressively more fricked by changes to Windows and it's reliance on Havok.
The best we can hope for is a Source 2 port they repackage as a brand new game.
Most everything is ported over with some minor tweaks minus the hats which would be ported over in waves to keep interest alive. Items don't carry over, which would give everyone a fresh start, but also piss off all the trade gays. (So who cares.)
However thanks to the million tiny movement exploits people love, Valve probably won't be doing this anytime soon.
Maybe they'll start in 10 years when Source 2 is beyond out dated. Like how the updated Half Life out of the blue.
Honestly I assume that TF2's economy is what is holding everything up. Not so much that they care about pissing the traders off, but that the steam market transaction fees are essentially free money, which would drop off immensely if they made a TF3 without as robust of an 'economy'.
Another reason they won't do it anytime soon.
Once the TF2 economy starts wavering, they'll begin work on "Team Fortress Two 2."
what fricking economy dumb c**t. nobody but bots playing this corpse. and cetrainly absolutely no one cares about hats lmao
>and cetrainly absolutely no one cares about hats lmao
literally the only reason that shithole game and csgo are as popular as they are: zoomer dumb fricks addicted to buying and using sKiNzzZZZz
Hence why a Source 2 port seems likely. Nobody's expensive CSGO skins disappeared after the transition to CS2.
valve doesn't do shit but collect an 80% finders fee from other developers on their platform
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I just said
>Source 2 update
>Native 100 players support with better utilization of multicore CPU
That would be epic
I'd rather it got a CS2 treatment than an entirely new game.
It probably will, since vscript is forwards compatible with Source 2.
I'm not sure how that means they will probably port it. My biggest fear is that Valve will never do anything with the IP again.
Basically, the coding people write into maps like Krampus, Infection, Versus Saxton Hale (Should) just be copypastable from Source 1 to Source 2, this gets around the issue with a lot of more advanced Source 1 custom content since Sourcemod isn't forwards compatible.
Well, yeah, I guess porting the few VScript-based things we have would be easier.
>CS2 treatment
I'd rather it go untouched. There was no reason for them to kill CS:GO at the same time, and CS2 is in a much worse state than GO was just with the staggering amount of missing features it has.
You can still play CS:GO, and people who actually care enough about the missing feature that they need it NOW instead of waiting are still playing.
No, I doubt we ever will. The best we can probably hope for is a Source 2 port.
I enjoyed what little I've played of TF2 Classic, but that was a few years ago, and I've since gone back to regular TF2. It would be nice if Valve themselves would make a "real" TF2 Classic, but I'd honestly be happy if they even shat out some stupid sequel in Source 2 or just ported the game.
Sooner or later, I'd say yes. It's a well known IP and therefore someone will eventually want to squeeze some more money out of it.
But it'll be like defusing a bomb. One small mistake can blow up in their face. TF2 on Source2 seems like too big an effort for little reward, specially with the absurd amount of cosmetics. Even if it meant fixing the bot problem for good, presumably, it's unlikely they'd be anymore active than before meaning the game would plateau again and there's the possibility that some things would get lost along the way. Stuff like rocket jumping physics being slightly off or something not working like before could spell disaster.
A TF3 is a big risk. Do you bring over the cosmetics and already start off with bloat, clean slate but risk people getting upset about losing their loadouts mostly tradegays and frick tradegays, do you have a new cast to justify a sequel but risk the new cast not being as fun as before? Would the game's edge be sterile or esport focused from day 1?
Honestly making Half Life 3 seems like a safer bet than TF3.
By Valve the only possible thing is a Source 2 port which I don't really want.
I think it could be possible for there to eventually be a spiritual successor. The problem with that is that it'd be directly competing with TF2 and appealing to a relatively small and niche audience and thus not find much financial success. Also a lot of the appeal of TF2 comes from the characters which obviously can't be carried over to a game made by a different company.
>Also a lot of the appeal of TF2 comes from the characters
you are a secondary!
you got me, I've only read the TF2 novels, I've never played tabletop
What would it take to make a new game akin to TF2 that doesn't die in the water like the """"Hero shooters"""" or all of TF2's forks did?
>Big map pool
>Maps with a good balance and flow to them
>Classes with plenty of options while sticking to a core design
>plenty of mod support and fricking-around material
>plenty of mod support and fricking-around material
>at least 24 players max
That's it. It's that easy. I think Overwatch would have been a true competitor to TF2 if it just had those two things.
An Overwatch that leaned into the casual, open-pub sort of game instead of being a 5v5 """competitive""" (lol) (lmao) abomination might've been great. Instead they're still chasing an e-sports market that doesn't even exist anymore.
Blizzard will never let people mod their games since losing DOTA left them eternally seething.
Pic very related
I sent you those emails calling you a Black person weekly for a reason Valve.
Revert it.
why does he have tumblr nose
If it's SO obvious it's a prevalent point of view, it's not difficult for the dev team themselves to share the same opinion. Valve's smart, they put alot of thought into their games...
I wonder what their staff's up to right now instead of working on TF2...
How did it kill the game when the game has 3x more players online at any time now compared to when the update came out 8 years ago? Genuinely asking.
OP's wording is off, Chet didn't say MYM killed the game, but that it changed it into something that TF2 isn't because the devs were trying to push it into a more competitive direction (as he believes probably caused by OW)
I still cannot believe that Valve decided to frick off after dropping that shit. They could have salvaged it, but no.
>Casual is full of bots
>MVM full of high tours throwing the game seething that they never got a single aussie drop
>community servers such as Skial and Uncletopia full of powertripping troony jannies and their ass kissing dingleberries that flip their shit whenever you call someone a homosexual
servers such as Skial and Uncletopia full of powertripping troony jannies and their ass kissing dingleberries that flip their shit whenever you call someone a homosexual
I've never seen anyone get banned once on EU Uncletopia
>ywn live in the alternate timeline where MYM never happened and instead got the scrapped Spy vs. Engi update
>we will never get the scrapped engie catapult
>we will never get a spy building to make spy a better support
>we will never get a cool grapple hook/ movement tech watch replacement
Frick Valve man
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Tbtbh I'd just be satisfied with that knife sidegrade where you jab a bomb into the enemy then remotely detonate it.
well ye tf 2 never need any matchmaking. servers were already absolutely perfect.
as someone who only plays TF2 every once in a while and not a diehard fan?, what exactly was it about matchmaking that killed TF2
You know what? He's right.
If you ask me, adding matchmaking to a game that didn't have it for eight years (or need it at all) was kinda just like the nail in the coffin to longtime players who were already kinda unhappy with the microtransaction-focused direction TF2 had taken.
I've played thousands of hours of the game since buying the Orange Box 15 years ago, and at the risk of sounding like a total hater or an old man yelling at clouds I just have to say that the changes that came along with the addition of both competitive and casual matchmaking has added to TF2 just fricking sucks major dick and balls.
Nu-competitive players (very different from people who play this game competitively, to be clear) can be annoying and introduce unneeded toxicity to the playerbase, matchmaking and the artificial leveling system it uses is something that shamelessly apes other games that I am consciously choosing to not play when I play TF2 and, worst of all, the addition of matchmaking has funneled the majority of the playerbase's interest towards only playing on official servers instead of community servers which has in turn led to a serious dearth of quality community server options. And I guess to beat a dead horse I'll b***h about the fricking ugly cosmetics a bit at the end here too, why not.
The problem wasn't the addition of matchmaking, the problem was making it the only way of playing in valve servers. Matchmaking is garbage, if it was an option it wouldn't have been a problem.
>the addition of matchmaking has funneled the majority of the playerbase's interest towards only playing on official servers instead of community servers
You must have not played this game before matchmaking, because holy shit what a stupid opinion. When quickplay got added it already killed most community servers, because it was simply easier than opening the server browser for the average casual player. Shit, even when the server browser was the only way to join, official Valve servers were some of the most popular ones even with tons of healthy communities around.
It's been a few years and I don't remember well, wasn't quickplay okay at first? I think I remember it was an update that made it so in practice you would 99% get valve servers from quickplay which killed a lot of community servers.
In 2014 Quickplay exclusively used Valve servers, before that it also had a mix of mostly vanilla servers
There was the quickplay kosher guidelines that you had to meet (in theory) to be valid for quickplay to pick your server.
>
he's right
not everything has to be competitive
So why did they shit the bed then catering to comp gays? The fricking irony of debasing the game trying to be like Overwatch
Don't care, still going to grind TF2 until the day I die because my dopamine receptors have been utterly fried by rocket jumping and other movement mechanics
i respect that greatly, super cute post
still the best fps out
dude... is Chet okay? Why is everybody on the planet literally dying rn?
Zesty won
tf2 compgays still exist?
TF2 died with the goldrush update
Man I used to love playing TF2 back in late 2020/early 2021. I don't like it too much anymore, I know it's partly because I eventually get bored of stuff but I think it's because it was more fun when I sucked.
>All the anons in this thread saying they miss how this game used to be
At least I can take solace knowing I'm not alone in feeling this way about TF2.
>not just uninstalling and playing tf2 classic instead
TF2C is riddled with trannies
Because TF2 isn't?
You can tell them to kill themselves without getting banned on regular TF2
unlike in tf2 they got full power in the game and it takes one word on their discord to get you banned on entire range of servers if they don't like you
so? just kill the trannies then. in game of course
>TF2 is so free, we're not like that dumb Overwatch who ban people for chat toxicity. Also we make offensive loadout like demoman terrorist, we could Say we're different
>That sniper is a huge nono, please troony workshop fix it or get twitter cancelled
The worst part of matchmaking is just how quickly every server shuts down. Oh you captured the point 3 times in a little over 5 minutes? Game over, everyone go home, have fun in the next queue.
always thought this update was crazy as i was sure that everyone knew TF2 was a casual game.
like the idea of comp TF2 is hilarious. you would have to be some sad homosexual to take that seriously. if you want an actual competitive game go play CS2 or quake or frick even overwatch.
>Meet Your Match Update
I don't know what that is
It's when they got rid of quick play for casual and started doing player ranks and pandering to the might as well be non-existent compgays by buffing and nerfing weapons at their requests.
Would you say that PvZ: GW2 was the only modern Class-based shooter to come close to capturing TF2’s essence?
>TF2 has matchmaking now
holy shit hahahahahahah
>now
anon it's been almost 8 years
I stopped playing the game immediately after the first class update, it literally peaked in beta. This is sad as frick though.
>writer for Team Fortress 2
in how many threads are you going to post this same image
If TF2's voice lines are so iconic and memorable, you can in part thank him for that
>TF2's voice lines are so iconic and memorable
they really aren't.
Contrarian gay or child
Just because you keep hearing the same voice lines in your gmod youtube poops doesn't mean they are "iconic" or "well written".
I remember when the game was played for the fact that it was a fricking game and not some stupid VRchat analog
The fact this Black person is saying the game is a chatroom w/ guns and advocating for banning people from his server for playing without chatting is insane
There has never been a game whose ball was dropped harder than TF2
Do you realize how weird it is to act like a 2007 multiplayer game was as antisocial and dehumanized as modern multiplayer games is?
Do you realise how weird it is to have this fetishistic insistence that a FPS game played for the fact it's an FPS game is wrong?
And nobody's insisting that you can't play an FPS game as an FPS game. I'm pointing out that you're coming at this from an entirely modern perspective on Vidya multiplayer.
It's a first person shooter wtf
It's a multiplayer game, you can squirm and screech about how it's "A first person shooter", but it will always be a modern invention that the multiplayer might as well be against bots like the campaign of Q3 Arena.
That being said, you've now given me the interesting idea of a Team Fortress 2 Campaign.
#SaveTransFortress2
Honestly the bots aren't really that bad since 2019 after they tweaked some stuff. Nowadays either the server is lost to bots or you kick the one or two rouge bots and play normally.
I think youtubers exaggerate just so they have material to b***h and moan to create those homosexual essay "content" videos and make a quick buck. Play for hours sometimes with 0 bots and if I see one almost at least 10 people on either side are aware and calling it out. I
Also it doesn't matter if the irrelevant muttland servers have bots. The real hub for TF2/CS2 is europe.
I've noticed pretty much exclusively bots spin up in activity when people are whining about them, so I've come to the conclusion that it's attention seeking behavior.
I didn't even remember that update.
I miss when you could just stay in one server and play the whole goddamn map rotation. with same people.
Now that consistency is gone and it feels i spend more time on the menu than ingame
>I miss when you could just stay in one server and play the whole goddamn map rotation. with same people.
Can't you just join a community server?
>killed the game
Game seems the same as it ever was to me.
t. 24/7 IR 2fort enjoyer
Just make Team Fortress 3 at this point.
It will allow them to:
- rework matchmaking from the ground up so it's not shit
- get rid of bots through code obfuscation alone
- fix lag compensation bullshit
- rework random crits without making pablo.escobar.2009 on reddit seethe
- modernise default settings and utilise the GPU more
- make more money
Please, for the love of god, do SOMETHING. If a game that's been this beloved for well over a decade was in any other hands, the IP would have had like 3 new games by now.
>Valve
>making new games
hehehe huhuhu
>new
It'd be about as new as Counter Strike 2 is.
>thinking at all
>TF2 before matchmaking
>Used to join one server
>Great rotation of vanilla and custom maps
>Everyone knew each other
>Lots of fun shit talking
>Average to high skill players so the games were usually good
I miss it bros. It was such a great time. We were like a little family. Matchmaking can never compare.
you should've dropped in 2011 when it went f2p like every one who had a brain
The server I was on had a plugin that auto kicked F2Ps. It was pretty based.
I haven't played tf2 seriously or for a long period for about 3-4 years now and I got on to play with my friends who wanted to try it out and I just couldn't do it. Magic is gone. 1400 hours of the game and I just can't do it anymore, all those good memories as a kid but I just don't love it anymore.
Goodbye forever TF2
I hate comptards so much it's unreal. They, together with streamers, have ruined gaming communities
mann-conomy update killed the game, turning it f2p a year later just filled it with hispanics and morons
>people keep saying tf2 is dead but I play it a few times every week and there's still full servers of both long time players and noobs just getting into the game
I still have a lot of fun with TF2 even if it's a lot different now
Yeah same. It's still TF2.
Same, but sometimes it's depressing how few active community servers there are, especially when I just left 2 consecutive games with bots.
why is he so red
I still prefer playing with an actual timer and having a new map load in after a couple of rounds.
I get the hate, but I prefer the current gameplay rules over just endless ctf for lobotomites.
You understand that's how official servers used to work anyway, right? It wasn't one map 24/7.
Wasn't it longer tho? I have all these memories of having to vote for a new map.
The vote system was created for MyM
Back then we got a Map rotation hence this picture everytime you join a match
hot take: they don't need to remove matchmaking, but instead swap it around to promoting the server browser as the default and bury quickplay under a second click instead.
>writer
Who gives a shit what this nobody has to say?
I don't understand the hate for matchmaking and stuff, couldn't you always just play on some community server like you could at launch?
I thought TF2 died because of item bloat and the game being an unreadable mess from all the cosmetic items
Nothing has killed TF2.
Not matchmaking.
Not MYM.
Not F2P.
Not other games.
You have 100k+ players daily. It's not fricking dead you morons.
Stop ruining my doomposting bubble you Black person
It sucks that matchmaking is in the game, objectively though, since there aren't as many decentralized communities.
the golden age of community servers was definitely the best time to play tf2. there's still plenty of fun to be had though.
Oh for sure, if we're just talking as a game, TF2's probably the best thing on the market.
It just sucks that "the community" as it exists outside of the game is as centralized as it is because it means you have to deal with extremely annoying homosexuals
>You have 100k+ players daily.
90k+ bots
Just try playing casual, select all maps. You will constantly run into the same players, day in and day out amongst the hordes of bots.
>Just try playing casual
Why would anyone do that? Community servers are where it's at.
I thought the game wasn't dead anon? Why are you admitting the most popular mode of play has gone to shit?
>Community Servers
And holy frick if that's the preferable alternative.
>Ganker is now so contrarian it is against dedicated servers you browse and join yourself
cripes
Community Servers have gone to complete shit you moron. It's not a problem with the concept of them it's that the actual servers have completely dropped in quality.
sounds like a you problem
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only play on the Ganker server then
Well you've just summed up how bad things have gotten now haven't you?
when I played TF2 on launch, I would only play on one of like 3 servers because everywhere else was full of squeakers and tweakers
>everywhere else was full of squeakers and tweakers
That was in 2011 after it went F2P. That's the real day TF2 went to shit.
nope, I bought it at launch in The Orange Box. still have the israeliteel case and discs somewhere. I had already stopped playing as much when it went F2P and only started again because irl friends I made in college did, so I would strictly play with them.
but squeakers don't have money and cannot buy m rated games.
The under-18s infiltrated the game in droves once it was free.
Did you only play your first video game at 18, anon?
Parents buy games for their kids all the time
Nobody wants to play 24/7 instant respawn 2fort except for brain dead cretins
yeah. morons on Ganker will cry and seethe and say there's no bots until you actually launch tf2. out of the 100k i wouldn't be shocked if 80k are bots in dead lobbies, on the main menu queuing into a dead lobby, or currently ruining a lobby with people. its honestly so obvious i don't get the point of lying about it, unless its trade gays not wanting the game to die killing there inventory's.
your only options is to play uncletopia or a 24/7 map/meme server. theres no way to play regular tf2 with constant map changes, and no stupid rules in current year but Ganker will shit on uncletopia because uhh ecelebs i guess.
with that number nobody would be able to play any game on any way, shape or form in casual.
in general it has been found that only 20% of the players are both which puts the game at the same level of players it has always had since 2013 (120k players), that doesn't mean that the game state isn't shit tho, just that tf2 is so good that even with a lot of issues is still excellent. (valve won't fix it by being tards tho).
It's also not even considering the logistics of running 80k tf2 clients even if you're the kind of moron that thinks TF2 magically runs with zero resource usage for bots.
yeah.
>with that number nobody would be able to play any game on any way, shape or form in casual.
i wouldn't call casual playable unless you enjoy literally every 20 seconds morons spamming kick bot in chat over and over. i remember when meet your match first came out and valve had real numbers of current players in server and searching for community and official valve servers. it was only ever 7-10k despite steam charts stating there was 40k people online. now that tf2 is more dead and irrelevant than ever before you want me to believe there's actually 120k on 24/7 like 8 years later? my theory is a frickton of trade gays wanting the illusion the game is alive to keep there inventory from imploding having mass bots afk at the menu on top of the normal nu sniper bots.
this screen was removing because reddit gays were having a meltdown daily it made the game look dead. just like Ganker lol
you can run tf2 without graphics. people used to do that for mass idling farms newbie
Meet your Match literally made tf2 unplayable
>queue times are forever
>join either at the end of match or when both teams have less than 6 players combined
>shitty balance
>compgays
>the begining of the end, the start of life support updates without anything major or playable outside of misc passtime and mannpower
does anyone remember playing on the voogru servers?
I stopped playing after the weapon rebalances so its probably correct.
Are there any servers even remotely similar to Gankeran? Samwiz1's server is full of gays, and everyone on Kogasatopia hates fun.
>Samwiz1's server is full of gays
How? He’s super homophonic and transphobic, much more so than Zesty.
If 1% of people b***hing about TF2 being dead tried to actually do shit about it, we'd have so many servers to play on we'd need to shut down some of them.
Somehow game was alive for a few years before Valve even started hosting their own servers (which were known to be shit from the day one), but in 2023, when everyone are much more tech savvy and tools to host servers became much easier to figure out, it's an impossible task for some reason.
What would a fan do? start their own server with their own maps and mods? people do that
>start server
>it never takes off because it never gets an influx of players because everyone queues for casual or joins an already populated server
>blaming the game because he has no friends
kek
Yes, let me just pull 23 friends out of my ass to play tf2 with me whenever I want.
Thanks, but I'm still playing TF2C
fricking this. TF2C is everything I want in terms of playing TF2 and no one ever talks about it, we all just b***h about current TF2.
>no cosmetic hat bloating the game and lagging it
>tf2 in it's purest form
>4 team gamemode
>modded servers have actual new weapons and
not just skin changes for the current weapons
>valve sent a c&d, team sent a response, and it took so long for valve to hear back from them, that they just brought it back again
It's more fun than I've had playing on any frickin skial/duncletopia server.
>Tf2c
you are worse than a compgay
i dont hate hats. i like cosmetics bein able to customize how my guy looks. but whats rly gay is how people absolutley fricking ruin the games art style over the years with a assload of community shit and paint.
Same. I once played TF2C for like, 8 hours straight. Haven't done that with live tf2 since before matchmaking was added.
>playing a mod where they gave heavy stickies without reloads
>jump pads that ruin all map balance
lmao you're fricking moronic
#savetf2 was a fricking failure and I knew it was gonna be from the get go.
If TF2 fans really wanted to save tf2, they would've asked valve to revert matchmaking which would've taken care of the bot crisis in itself, but your average modern TF2 player is a 20 year old zoomer moron who started playing after jungle inferno and doesn't know better. But hey, at least we were heckin' wholesome chungus 100 Keanu reeves minecraft good fortnite bad with our demands and didn't make the poor multibillion dollar corporation feel threatened in any way! Toxicity won't fly in this fandom sisters
Frick this fricking community.
Funny how that immediately died off after one tweet from Valve
And bot situation has not changed even in the slightest since
Nononono you don't get it! There were a couple of weeks where valve implemented some (community made) fixes that were called out in shounic's videos! That means they care!
how would reverting matchmatcking prevent bots from just joining valve servers directly?
thats all quickplay was. it threw you in a valve server directly removing the need of looking at the server browser
pretty much, quickplay ain't gonna solve the bot problem unless it also lets you play on community servers (that haven't banned you)
You could see who's in a server before joining, and if a server is compromised when you get in it won't take but a few seconds to join another server instead of waiting on the matchmaker. Plus, community servers with their own anti-cheat systems and admins could easily deal with bots.
just use an actual chat room if you guys are lonely holy shit lol
Black person frick off to a single player game if you don't want to interact with other people.
i can't find a single piece of info that he worked for tf2. everywhere states he mostly wrote for left 4 dead. is this a grifter gay just trying to get likes from the tf2 community that eats up anything? did they pull him out of a cubicle when the game was almost done and he wrote like 10 lines?
valve sometimes gives side jobs not credited, aside from that he could just get into the tf2 office and see what were up to and that would be enough to see the way it's developed and to see how the ambient changed to talk about his modern issues.