Square translations before FFVIII were inaccurate rushjobs. The Ted Woolsey ones in particular took a lot of liberties with the script too, adding silly meme dialogue that wasn’t there. There were also strict character limits on the SNES, which Woolsey talked about being a major problem since English took up more space than Japanese. To his credit he cared more about preserving the story than his higher ups who basically just told him that the games were toys and he could do whatever with the script. But the updated ones are faaarrrr better.
Ted Woolsey absolutely did nothing wrong and had a lot more going against him than people realize. Given he had to deal with not only space issues but super conservative content restrictions he did really all he could. Would agree that later translations are superior, but later translations don't have those silly restrictions and limitations
I forgot about the censorship. I have a theory that this game is what put an end to it. Even in Gen 6 they’d still censor religious references, like how Lucifer is called Luther I’m Star Ocean 3. After Nocturne that kinda just stopped. It released without controversy, and I’m sure other publishers realized it was safe at that point. I bet at first they looked at Atlus USA like they were maniacs for releasing this back in 2004.
I agree that newer translations are more accurate. But in Chrono Trigger's case, from what I've seen the new translation is much more... boring and typical.
For instance, when you first meet Marle and she asks if she can hang out with you at the fair, upon saying yes, she jumps with excitement and says:
SNES: "You're a true gentleman!"
DS: "Yahoo! This'll be fun."
I just can't hear that DS line being said by Marle.
As much as I dislike heavy localization there are some examples where changes actually do add more personality. Typically in older games like this where there’s not some weird agenda, and it was all done in earnest.
Ted Woolsey absolutely did nothing wrong and had a lot more going against him than people realize. Given he had to deal with not only space issues but super conservative content restrictions he did really all he could. Would agree that later translations are superior, but later translations don't have those silly restrictions and limitations
Psychopath was a weird name looking back, Thought Peek is a much better change.
It's super easy to second-guess stuff like that years later. With the time restrictions these guys had to translate stuff I'm surprised there isn't more weird stuff
It meant psycho-path as in mind reader like empath means emotion reader
We all understood this at the time, it must be a language barrier thing since you kids can't read.
Well the thing is that "Psychopath" would be a nice made-up name for the ability if it wasn't for the fact that "Psychopath" is already a word with a different meaning.
SNES version has Frog talk with a comical olden time dialect, which some people find charming, but it is a bit weird because nobody else in his time period talks like that.
The dialect was actually choosen to highlight how chivalric he is compared to everyone else. He is the only true knight remaining in existence after the death of Cyrus.
Nice try, you fricking idiots tried this with majora's trash for like a decade before it got re-released and everyone realized it fricking sucks lol
chrono cross already got re-released, and everyone already knows it fricking sucks
The problem with the ds version is that it has extra content, and because the entire game is thoroughly unenjoyable from start to finish you want to get it over with as quickly as possible. So be sure to ignore the extra dungeon if you play on ds
Just finished this game on the SNES. Honestly, I've played it a lot over the past 15 years, but somehow never finished it. Not that I disliked it or anyhting, life just always seemed to intervene and it would be at the point that I wouldn't come back to that save. I'd try again a year later or something and the same thing would happen. I feel great though, the game is absolutely amazing. I think the sidequests at the end are really what push it into classic territory. I think the only part I didn't enjoy was the Black Omen, just got super repetitive and uninteresting
that was another thing I disliked when I played through it on SNES. I ended up fumbling through the menu and paying for it more times than I'd like to admit. I really don't know what they could have done to improve it, but yeah having a touchscreen sounds really good for how the battle system works
Woolsey
The duality of Ganker. Can you explain your reasoning.
no
Square translations before FFVIII were inaccurate rushjobs. The Ted Woolsey ones in particular took a lot of liberties with the script too, adding silly meme dialogue that wasn’t there. There were also strict character limits on the SNES, which Woolsey talked about being a major problem since English took up more space than Japanese. To his credit he cared more about preserving the story than his higher ups who basically just told him that the games were toys and he could do whatever with the script. But the updated ones are faaarrrr better.
Ted Woolsey absolutely did nothing wrong and had a lot more going against him than people realize. Given he had to deal with not only space issues but super conservative content restrictions he did really all he could. Would agree that later translations are superior, but later translations don't have those silly restrictions and limitations
I forgot about the censorship. I have a theory that this game is what put an end to it. Even in Gen 6 they’d still censor religious references, like how Lucifer is called Luther I’m Star Ocean 3. After Nocturne that kinda just stopped. It released without controversy, and I’m sure other publishers realized it was safe at that point. I bet at first they looked at Atlus USA like they were maniacs for releasing this back in 2004.
I agree that newer translations are more accurate. But in Chrono Trigger's case, from what I've seen the new translation is much more... boring and typical.
For instance, when you first meet Marle and she asks if she can hang out with you at the fair, upon saying yes, she jumps with excitement and says:
SNES: "You're a true gentleman!"
DS: "Yahoo! This'll be fun."
I just can't hear that DS line being said by Marle.
As much as I dislike heavy localization there are some examples where changes actually do add more personality. Typically in older games like this where there’s not some weird agenda, and it was all done in earnest.
Ted was a good guy. I miss him.
more accurate =/= better. kys weeb
Psychopath was a weird name looking back, Thought Peek is a much better change.
It's super easy to second-guess stuff like that years later. With the time restrictions these guys had to translate stuff I'm surprised there isn't more weird stuff
It meant psycho-path as in mind reader like empath means emotion reader
We all understood this at the time, it must be a language barrier thing since you kids can't read.
Well the thing is that "Psychopath" would be a nice made-up name for the ability if it wasn't for the fact that "Psychopath" is already a word with a different meaning.
DS. You always want to go with the most recent translations for old Squaresoft stuff.
Does the DS still have the "soup drinking contest" or was that changed?
They just make it a vague sounding drink "skull-smash", but don't actually say that it's alcoholic.
That reminds me, Kino was such a weak b***h
not much for Ayala to choose from
Hence why the royal line is all moronic
Neither. Play with dArK_pAlAdIn_93’s retranslation. Crono says frick in it.
SNES version has Frog talk with a comical olden time dialect, which some people find charming, but it is a bit weird because nobody else in his time period talks like that.
wait frog doesn't talk like that in the ds version?
what the frick that's terrible
I've heard he doesn't do this in the Jap script but have never investigated it myself.
The dialect was actually choosen to highlight how chivalric he is compared to everyone else. He is the only true knight remaining in existence after the death of Cyrus.
That's pretty kino. My only issue with it was that it was annoying to read sometimes, but looking at the DS one is much more boring.
you should go read the arthurian tales bro, get your reading chops sharpened up
3. spend a few years learning japanese then play the original
面倒な
Play it in Jap.
Play Chrono Cross instead. Its an upgrade
Nice try, you fricking idiots tried this with majora's trash for like a decade before it got re-released and everyone realized it fricking sucks lol
chrono cross already got re-released, and everyone already knows it fricking sucks
Nice contrarianism
Quite the opposite you dirty israelite, stop projecting onto me. I denounce the talmud.
The problem with the ds version is that it has extra content, and because the entire game is thoroughly unenjoyable from start to finish you want to get it over with as quickly as possible. So be sure to ignore the extra dungeon if you play on ds
>unenjoyable
nani?
You have been trawled.
>Verification not required.
I didn't even understand that it was suicide the first time I played it. I hate localizations.
Just finished this game on the SNES. Honestly, I've played it a lot over the past 15 years, but somehow never finished it. Not that I disliked it or anyhting, life just always seemed to intervene and it would be at the point that I wouldn't come back to that save. I'd try again a year later or something and the same thing would happen. I feel great though, the game is absolutely amazing. I think the sidequests at the end are really what push it into classic territory. I think the only part I didn't enjoy was the Black Omen, just got super repetitive and uninteresting
Snes is better just because the sound quality isn't fricked.
i love the touch screen menu for chrono trigger, makes it more fun playing active time battles when you arent fumbling around a menu with the dpad
that was another thing I disliked when I played through it on SNES. I ended up fumbling through the menu and paying for it more times than I'd like to admit. I really don't know what they could have done to improve it, but yeah having a touchscreen sounds really good for how the battle system works
God damn you kids seriously can't use the menus on video games anymore?