You should remove the highway next to the water along the marina's. Landvalue is higher next to water and that value is now going to waste on a highway.
I admit the artistic style is much more pleasant than modern stuff like City-skyline.
I don't understand why those game don't come by default with visual filters since most of the point is making the city pretty.
>using cheat mods
You didn't beat it. Build it again with real roads.
5 months ago
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nah. Games annoying when you need roads because 20 houses make 1 street over-congested. I dont understand how NAM is a cheat mod.
Also everything is grown except 3 of those landmarks so idc
I admit the artistic style is much more pleasant than modern stuff like City-skyline.
I don't understand why those game don't come by default with visual filters since most of the point is making the city pretty.
CS does but i get what you mean. They should have a tilt shift filter tbh, its fun.
5 months ago
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>20 houses make 1 street over-congested
All city builders are deflective as they all simulate rush hour all the time. The newer ones with individual agents still have minute long hours with everyone going back home while the furthest commuters are just now arriving to work. It's a mess.
5 months ago
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yeah I know, thats my point. Its not cheating if the mod makes the traffic not fricking moronic.
Cities Skylines is better in ways but ig the point is the games arent traffic managers, they just try and get close to feeling realistic.
It's not just that there's 50k people, but also that they have 1500 or more residents per square kilometer. Those 2 together qualifies as dense enough for a city because that requires a certain level of urbanization to reach that number.
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I mean it more as in contemporary countryside town builder, not medieval town builder
You play a city builder and keep it small. After all, that's the definition of a town. I don't really understand your premise. No one is forcing you to grow your urban settlement past a certain size, and city builders are generally designed to have various and multiple stages of growth with their own aesthetic and mechanics.
One of the reasons I wish for Russia to implode is for the dev to start being able to work more on this instead of focusing on literally not dying under the bombs. The rest is mostly wanting to see /misc/tards in tears.
power/internet going out every time the russians bomb down the infrastructure, happens quite often it appears. the dude lives in kharkhiv, which is basically on the frontline.
again, frick putin (and the /misc/tards supporting him) for not letting the dude work full time on the game
>town builder >beavers, beaver specific mechanics >you build vertically >early access but devs have been updating it fairly consistently >game itself is lightweight >active discord community if you care about that
I want a city gentrifyer game where you start out with an existing city and have to turn things around by demolishing ghettos and increasing property value.
It'll never happen because city builders tend to be too casual and outwardly friendly. That big old corporate forced smile. Crime will never be relevant other than an equivilent for trash disposal.
If only there was a city builder where you had to build actual plumbing, a functional grid, an actual economy, an education system from preschool to university, a crime and security apparatus as well as social, medical and emergency services...
>that would be sooo complicated haha
It kinda is. Soviet Republic is one of the few modern(ish, I suppose being set in the 70s probably makes it a historical game at this point) city builder games that actually have resources instead of abstracting everything to money or using the simcity style zoning mechanic. It also has a specific idea of realism where a house doesn't cost 3 logs even though a model obviously includes many different materials and you will need to deliver 8 different things, some of which you will have to import for a long time.
Construction industry is really fun in a crane autist sort of way but it makes the game pretty slow and means you have to plan out a lot of things in advance. You can quickbuild, but it's something you will use sparingly to fix small mistakes rather than the main way you do things, assuming you don't choose to entirely disable it anyway.
Now I think actually this is the main gameplay loop of WR and where it's appeal comes from, it also makes sense in context because that's how industrial commieblock towns in the middle of nowhere were built, but if you are coming from other style of game it probably feels like all the work in the way of building a city instead of the goal in itself.
>Construction industry is really fun in a crane autist sort of way
I enjoy my PlayCity Playmat simulator. Setting up a construction project then spending the next hour simply watching the trucks and cranes go about their work, or work on designing another aspect
7 months ago
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>I enjoy my PlayCity Playmat simulator.
Oh, now that you mention it, I had a full room city carpeting as a child, that must have been when it all began. I was destined to play citibuilders from a young age.
7 months ago
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>I had a full room city carpeting as a child
jealous
7 months ago
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>Max game speed >10x speed hack enabled
Yep it's city building time.
Only way I can tolerate it. Base speed is so god damn slow
7 months ago
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Watching stuff get built is half the fun of building something
7 months ago
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Only as an optional extra for when you feel like it. Having to sit there. Waiting for the slowest game ever sucks. Slowing down to watch the scenery is fine. Not being forced to sit there and always watch it
7 months ago
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There's always plenty to do in the meantime while you're waiting for something to build. If you need to be that ADD about it you can play the instant build mode
6 months ago
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No I like realistic mode for the extra logistical considerations. Not the waiting itself
I've been playing it in sandbox mode and it's a lot of fun, reminds me more of Sim city in that you have to think about your citizens. Skylines shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence and I have a couple hundred hours in that game.
What is the best way to build upon the SimCity 4 design model without making it feel like the same game and without introducing mechanics that serve no other purpose but to annoy the player (ie Skylines)?
Just improve on parts that are lacking at the moments like >lots lining with diagonal roads >smooth performance on modern hardware >more building themes >better balanced civic buildings >improved UI
Simcity 4 is already an almost perfect game, the only thing that is really needed is multicore support so it doesn't waste newer hardware and maybe a full 3d render so you can have curved roads. I wish more games had the regional map mechanic that Simcity 4 has, they would be worth a try for that alone at least
Map edit on the regional level.
Less moronic pathfinding from the sims.
Mixed zoning (medium and high density residential/commercial blocks) so you can have a downtown area that feels more alive.
More granular detail on the sim level.
Throw in a few curveballs, I played surviving mars and thought how much I wished it was more of a city builder. I'd love to see a mars or undersea where you've got to build pressure domes. Or if I was really going to shoot the moon, have the game set on an asteroid, that you hollow out, and spin up to create artificial gravity, and you build a city and bioscape along the walls like pic related.
I'm sure its impossible to do, but I've always fantasized about a game that contained the sims, sim tower, and sim city so you can create mega city one, or a 40k hive city and really revel in how awful it is on the personal level.
the agent simulation and public transportation in sim city 4 sucks ass even with rush hour. i fell in love with cities skylines the moment i saw you could actually draw routes and train lines. make it like that
Just improve on parts that are lacking at the moments like >lots lining with diagonal roads >smooth performance on modern hardware >more building themes >better balanced civic buildings >improved UI
also >mixed-use zoning >pedestrian streets (NAM's solution is kind of a hackjob workaround) >arbitrary city tile size
>add natural resources
But instead of being a some pseudo-commie citystate that micromanages every aspect, it’s more about enabling or not enabling companies to move in with taxes, infra and edicts. Let the free market to do the rest >separate retail and office zones
This is what Skylines did right >more ability to control wealth based development
It's baffling that no other city builder has copied the region map from Simcity 4. Seeing all your cities on the map and connecting them is so fricking cool. Really gives the game a grand sense of scale.
theotown does have region maps
you can even have multiplayer regions and watch as your city networks with other player's neighboring cities
or you would, if the result wasn't always a vomit inducing patchwork of mismatched "cities"
not really worth playing as anything but a citypainter sandbox anyway: too many "give me money" mobile-isms, and not enough simulation depth
Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom comes to mind off the bat. Available on GoG. It's similar to Pharaoh, but has expanded interactions between cities and some other unique systems. I think it's probably the pinnacle of the Impressions era city builders.
I like it a lot too. I'd still say I prefer Caesar III on the balance of things because I'm more interested in the time period/Mediterranean theme, but Emperor's mechanics are undeniably richer.
I'll be honest, I didn't play the tutorial
but in Banished, how do you increase the max amount of people in a profession? like, more than 4 fishermen etc
literally just finished a playthrough to check out how it is now. its still 95% the same as launch. needs real work still. especially everything about defence.
Its also pretty sad that rivers/bridges are "outside the scope of development" for them.
Man that's a shame, it was between Farthest Frontier and Going Medieval but both of them seem plagued by "Needs real work" annoyingly. Especially on defense, or so I've heard, not taken the plunge on Going Medieval because every time I go to check it out there's someone saying "X needs fixed direly"
Man that's a shame, it was between Farthest Frontier and Going Medieval but both of them seem plagued by "Needs real work" annoyingly. Especially on defense, or so I've heard, not taken the plunge on Going Medieval because every time I go to check it out there's someone saying "X needs fixed direly"
Man that's a shame, it was between Farthest Frontier and Going Medieval but both of them seem plagued by "Needs real work" annoyingly. Especially on defense, or so I've heard, not taken the plunge on Going Medieval because every time I go to check it out there's someone saying "X needs fixed direly"
I hope they can fix up the game. but the pace they have been updating at and the "content" of these updates has really not impressed me.
Farthest Frontier is good, it does need work but there is enough content there to justify buying it and a few good playthoughs.
Going Medieval is also pretty good and they're very active with updates. But once you get familiar with it it gets a bit boring. Still sunk 80 hours into it though.
I justify it buy money spend/time spent playing it. The random map gens and types give it some replayability. Though I've never managed to get every building to the top tier, because I usually get bored and move on.
>I buy a game and enjoy it for many hours. >its still getting updates >I will play it again in the future for many hours
I know your probably some autistic moron, but that is normally how people would decide if a purchase was worth it or not
sc4 was released in 2003.
those curved roads are from player created mods.
im no expert, but i dont remember them much before 2009.
it was a huge breakthrough, and later the fractional angel roads.
i fired up workers and resources for the first time recently, and that is a pretty good road tool.
>Have to scroll through dozens of pages of super specific road tiles
NAM was an awful experience. Also, when will a game let us define roads ourselves? Give me a fancy road editor for lanes, sidewalks, width and all that
All of them, which has five layers of dependancies on some mod that went offline because someone copied it and used in their mod.
Seriously though, I hate the modding community of sc4 and their righteousness.
No, I'm not gonna sign up and suck Your Highness' wiener just to use your mod.
I played this game years ago, it was fun, but in just a few hours I had built everything, done everything, the map is too small and the scope of the game is too small.
Is there a recommended modlist for Cities Skylines?
All this recent talk of the second game is making me want to play the original again, but I haven't touched it for the last couple of years.
Yeah there is one list of working mod, a collection I mean. A bunch of people made a mod that kept track of good and bad mods and let you make modlists to enable amd disable from the game. Way better than workshop collection. Can't remember the name though.
I would love a city builder that encourages organic growth of a city over the span of a century.
You would start the game in the late 1800's with some dirt roads and scattered farms; the very first step you take is building a post office to put your town on the map. You wouldn't be able to start zoning until the 1920's, so your first buildings would spring up anywhere that the AI believes is the most optimal location.
Outside forces would promote the development of your city with infrastructure incentives. A railroad company wants to build a rail line between two edges of the map, and the station that you place will drive up demand nearby. Logging companies will gradually cut down forests and free up more of the map. In the 1950's, the State government wants to do the same but with a highway. Deindustrialization and urban blight can hit the city in the 1960's and 70's, which then leads to increased demand for low density housing far away from the city center. Stuff like that promotes building ad hoc, which is how most modern cities developed.
I remember Sim City 3000 had a mode where you would start in 1901 and could unlock more advanced power plants as the years progressed. Something like that, except it's a core gameplay mechanic.
This except it's from 2000-2100 and you play as a business buying up land and redeveloping a city in decline while dealing with new technologies such as robotics lowering the need for workers, modularity lowering the need for factories, work from home lowering the need for offices, delivery lowering the need for restaurants, while also needing more warehouses and production centers.You can lease your land to advertisers and make a neon billboard hell, try to consolidate remaining and emergent businesses into large office complexes and make a tower of youtubers or something. You can be a driving force for keeping people using fossil fuels for the next hundred years or rebuild the city into a series of walk-able neighborhoods connected by electric driven maglev trains. Since you're a business and not a city council, you have to deal with not only the actual city officials but also local investors and public opinion, local laws, other businesses, paying taxes instead of recieving taxes, and actually turn a profit from your dealings.
Yeah I've thought along similar lines many times, honestly any city builder where you don't play as literal god over the city and development happens largely on its own with you just guiding it would be great. >I remember Sim City 3000 had a mode where you would start in 1901 and could unlock more advanced power plants as the years progressed
Damn I forgot all about that, I would always play with that mode
look into transport fever, it's sorta like that. definitely more of a focus on transit since the city building is handled almost entirely automatically but i think it's got the vibe you're looking for
You could try and play OpenTTD with mods and begin from the XVIII century. I recommend you try it in a map with water because i only had a few rivers and having a cart based economy can suck
my openttd world, no speedups ive just been grinding from 1950 to 1970. im pretty brand new to this type of game, only played sc2k beforehand. any reccomendations for any other game like this?
Care to share a save game so I may explore your work?
Fellow OTTD enjoyer Chad.
am i doin it rite
I know I'm moronic anons, but is there such a thing as OpenLoco in the same way there is with TTD?
Some anons suggested OpenTTD or Transport Fever, but I think the game that comes closest to this formula is A-Train, because unlike the other two mentioned, in A-Train the city is more "concrete" instead of symbolic. In OpenTTD and Transport Fever the city serves more to symbolize the development of the region, but in A-Train you really have a city, each residence will collaborate with X inhabitants, there will be schools generating demand for passengers in the morning and at lunch time, and also nightclubs generating demand on weekends at night, etc. It's much more elaborate than OpenTTD and Transport Fever when it comes to the city itself.
>organic growth of a city over the span of a century > A railroad company wants to build a rail line between two edges of the map, and the station that you place will drive up demand nearby.
it's been so long since i've played i can't remember but does Railroad Tycoon 3 do this?
Sim safari is such a fever dream to me, I never had any clue what I was doing and my ecosystems would always collapse lol. Also I loved the African village minigame, I assume at the time it was very progressive but I remember they would also poach your animals if they were unhappy.
It's on my abandon ware site. I reinstalled it recently.
Also man my favorite was watching the village you hire people from slowly evolve. honestly I wish that was the game managing that than building the resort.
>boot up TheoTown because i assumed it's simcity 2k but prettier >been getting complaints about terrible traffic in industrial area >build freight rails to reduce trucks in traffic >traffic still terrible >wtf >check freight station >it's divided in several tiles >most are decorations with maintenance costs (???) >finally found the tile that supposedly controls the station >no passengers with 0% capacity >went to forums out of confusion >find out that rail stations are actually purely decorative with no impact on traffic >traffic is just impacted by busses, metros and all the other gay shit with no impact on goods transportation from industrial areas >mfw
why bother simulating at all? i swear to God city builders with half-assed "simulation" systems like these are fricking cancer and should go mask off with being a city painting sandbox instead, holy shit
>traffic is just impacted by busses, metros and all the other gay shit with no impact on goods transportation from industrial areas
Yes, mass transit does in fact help with traffic, ignorant carcuck.
>dat reading comprehension
i don't need to explain why building freight train network are completely useless in TheoTown again to a homosexual that can barely read like you
I wonder if it's just Ganker pulling more morons from around the web or a general societal trend, but functional illiteracy is definitely on the rise. It wasn't this bad a decade ago.
I'm pretty sure that was some kind of political bot
It just saw something about mass transit and gave a programmed response. An even bigger problem for the net than the ones you brought up is the massive amount of astroturfing going on these days.
I got Theotown because I expected Simcity 2k with traffic simulation but yeah the game feels way too shallow and unbaked. I also somehow expected it to be a more OpenTTD style with preexisting industries and such, sadily wasnt the case. Guess I should just keep playing OTTD
Any city builder that can simulate mountain properly? High altitude, slope, waterfall, comfy city, etc. Things you can find in Nepal, Switzerland, c**ts like that.
Timberborn is such a great mix of comfy and impending doom. Stacking buildings is also very interesting.
I find it hard to get the right difficulty though. Either droughts are no issue ever. Or you get weeks on end, a few days to recuperate. Followed by another month long drought. And I have no idea how to handle that.
I watched some videos and the game seems to be lacking a bit on content. Do you think its worth buying?
I am looking for a city or colony builder in a fantasy or sci-fi setting. Don't want to build a boring regular city in games like Skylines, or even the ones featuring medieval or XX century settings.
Tried kingdoms and castles but the scope is too small, Frostpunk is too pretendious, doesn't give that much freedom for building and has tons of DLCs.
>playing Nebudchadnezzar >city starts spiralling >not enough peasants to man the fisheries to attract townsmen >not enough townsmen to be city guards >not enough city guards to stop thieves robbing the warehouses that keep my peasants fed which leads to peasants leaving
So at 60,000 people in your city, you get the opportunity for the military to come in and build a base of some sort. Usually it's an army base, but a naval base or air base is also possible. As a young child I also heard rumors of a missile base, however I never got one :/
I've even gotten the Launch Arcos to launch, but never a missile base. Have you gotten one Anon?
I've gotten one(s). I'm not sure if it's a glitch or not but when I got, I got a few randomly thrown across the map. A site says that you get it if the terrain is hilly.
Literally no reason to be playing 2000 when 3000 exists and looks so much better and polished. SC4 adds a whole lot more complexity and feels "different" but SC3K hit the perfect mix IMO.
Care to share a save game so I may explore your work?
Fellow OTTD enjoyer Chad.
You could try and play OpenTTD with mods and begin from the XVIII century. I recommend you try it in a map with water because i only had a few rivers and having a cart based economy can suck
I wish I could enjoy OpenTTD but it doesn't get its grips in me like other Tycoon/Builder games do. Hell I even love building trains in Factorio but something about OpenTTD is just draining to me.
I can't like OpenTTD because I'm too used to A-Train, where timetables matter. I want to understand why so many westerners insist on making train sims not have a ingame "real time", like Transport Fever 2, for example, where a passenger train takes several days of ingame time to arrive at the next station. That's so ridiculous it hurts.
Simutrans would be a solution, because it has a similar scope to OpenTTD, but there's a day and night cycle and such, but I don't feel it's comparable to A-Train, especially 9 v5.0 or Tourism!, both of which have a decent enough time scale for you to make fine adjustments to your trains departures for the different demands of different areas.
I've never played the TF games but for OpenTTD I feel like PAX, where timetabling and realistic peaks/troughs would matter the most, is secondary to cargo which is more of a plain logistics issue. I'd love a transport game that focused on good PAX lines between cities and generating good growth. Like the OpenTTD custom game scripts but not shit, with an actual gameplay loop and not just bringing everything on the map to one city. Having to spawn new industries or just hope the city starts with the ones you need to make the script happy is annoying too. It's glaringly obvious how limited it is even with custom exes and newgrfs.
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yeah i heard the economy simulation wasn't good but i'm not smart enough to know how that shit works so I guess it fooled me.
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i've only played with parks and industries. never used any of the more advanced road mods so the tools are a nice upgrade. I miss building parks though. performance has been fine for me but I have a 4070 and im still only around 20k population.
Every time I see this I want to play sc4 with this map.
But not only can I not find the same map, but it seems like this would take years to do.
its got good bones but got released 6 months/1 year too early like all paraslop these days. unclear what happened with the economic simulation but it seems they either turned it off for release cause it wasnt working right or it's just super buggy. either way ive been having fun
Yes, because all the economic "simulation" doesn't exist. It's just a city painter, not a builder.
yeah i heard the economy simulation wasn't good but i'm not smart enough to know how that shit works so I guess it fooled me.
have you played 1 with all major dlc's? its lacks a lot of features right now. And the fps is very bad for the low poly no texture graphics like that.
i've only played with parks and industries. never used any of the more advanced road mods so the tools are a nice upgrade. I miss building parks though. performance has been fine for me but I have a 4070 and im still only around 20k population.
It's a shit launch, but the core of the game is fine. There's so much wrong with it that it'll take a year or two to fix it all probably, but then it'll be good. I also enjoyed it for the first 24 hours of gameplay and the fixes they've already done have improved it.
well, it is supposed the female because the goal is to balance your happiness vs career success
e.g. put too much energy on politics, you frick up your dates and die alone, and if you focus on building a family, you lose-elections
well, it is supposed the female because the goal is to balance your happiness vs career success
e.g. put too much energy on politics, you frick up your dates and die alone, and if you focus on building a family, you lose-elections
I rather larp as a corrupt womanizer
I could easily see some kind of "the mayor" hybrid RPG, though it would probably be more Suzerain style where really it's just a visual novel with a thin veneer of city builder in this case. But you would interact with all the various factions of your typical first world city and have to balance their interests, also many opportunities for sleazebag corruption if you so choose
a while ago i was thinking of backing up my game so i didn't have to redownload every mod and my drive died the next day, if you find one please (You) me because im postponing that torturous process
Holy shit.
Simcity 4 could look like THAT?
But why does it run so shit on my pretty high-end PC?
>But why does it run so shit on my pretty high-end PC?
from what i heard the game only uses one core of your cpu, 4 GB of ram and the hardware render barely works so your gpu is useless and the graphics are rendered with the same core of the cpu that runs the simulation
Random question but since I wouldn't know where to ask this and most IRL city planners that have a passion for it probably play city builders, what's the most autistically perfect city around today? One where they let some Megamind design everything and even though it's obviously not perfect it's the most efficient sort of model we have?
Only existed as an idea but Walt Disney's original plan for EPCOT is as close one man got to building an autistically perfect city that I know of. Everyone's suburb house would have been equidistant to an underground public transportation stop which were equidistant to downtown where presumably most people would work. Roadways were also underground as well as a train network that would handle import and exports.
It didn't get very far as he died of cancer a few years into the project and the land became today's Disney World. If he didn't die he would have either quit or run out of money as he wanted to build underground road and rail networks in a wetland where the water table was only a few feet deep.
John Calhoun was a hack, and none of his experiments reflect human populations. Even the Kowloon Walled City, with its insane population density, lawlessness and lack of basic services like running water and garbage collection failed to drive its inhabitants insane.
Yes it is. Sanity means your ability to function in society. So long as the rats in the maze are sane, their society functions, and vice versa.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Sanity means your ability to function in society
Peak moron
6 months ago
Anonymous
It does.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Then I guess the population density wasn't "insane" if everyone in Kowloon functioned
6 months ago
Anonymous
In that instance "insane" just means "very high". You know that's what it means. You are able to understand the English language, you are just pretending not to because you don't want to accept that I am right.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>In that instance "insane" just means "very high"
But it's not insane, why would you use that instead of "very high"? Why try and redefine insanity if you're immediately going to misuse it?
6 months ago
Anonymous
autism or mental moronation?
6 months ago
Anonymous
He's definitely autistic, I'm not sure why you keep engaging with him.
6 months ago
Anonymous
"the mice weren't driven insane"
woah, what a good start to the whole thread
6 months ago
Anonymous
By this definition all mice are insane to begin with. They have no functioning society. Even if you redefine words to mean something different, it doesn't make you right about the relationship between the research and what you're trying to say it said. Words are just labels.
>what's the most autistically perfect city around today?
None of them really. The problem with a lot of the planned cities is they face a bunch of compromises, reality and the law of unintended consequences hits like a ton of bricks since there are always things you never even considered accounting for that create compounding issues. Or it turns out that they weren't as smart as they thought they were, and it was flawed from the first stages - look at Brasilia.
Its expensive, and requires a lot of investment in infrastructure and buy in from industry and business to keep money coming through, otherwise its just another suburb or decaying urban center.
I'm not a city planner but: super blocks are great, theres also an older concept of hex blocks and from what I've heard Freiburg is a great example of euro new urbanism... and of course theres always Amsterdam
it's all processed and reprocessed by the people, they've come to love it, almost like it gave them superpowers 90k/w net gains, 86% traffic, all 25 tiles
>only river drains off the map very slowly >growing city dumps more and more sewage into the river >after a while the sewage dump rate passes river drain rate >river changes direction, sewage floods low lying districts >build a dam to hold back the poo and force it off the map >dam works for a while but is eventually overwhelmed >build more dams, only for them to be breached again later by the eternally growing Lake Poo
>San Franshitsco in vidya form
I remember there being water treatment plants in this game to prevent rivers from being clogged with too much shit, did those just not work for how slow the river was or you didn't build them for whatever reason?
I'm going back to playing Anno 1800 and workers and Resource, how did they manage to downgrade the game so much? people strolling around under a tornado, road, and powerlines intact cars that weigh 500 tons. Water physics is a disaster compared to the first one. I can't believe people actually paid for this game and thinks there is only a couple of problem to be fixed.
Not to mention even basic shit like UI has a downgrade even though they could have just ported everything from the first >colors for bus and subway lines are desaturated and faded by default making it a pain in the ass to read if you're zoomed out at all >colors for zoning plots are dimmer too for no fricking reason >building anything below ground is a fricking disaster and impossible to gauge depth. Mouse pointer and the "actual" placement are separate because...???
What a shitshow
Was anyone in the Ganker thread the other day for SC4? I put out the idea of a shared region, where different people are assigned a city, then the cities are all combined in a month or so to populate it.
Yeah or like the cancelled project SimsVille, I remember being so excited seeing the trailer for that as a kid only for nothing to ever come out.
They definitely nailed the rollercoaster tycoon aesthetics if that's what they're going for
Guys I think I hate cities skylines 2. It makes 0 sense how that game can run so horribly regardless of settings or town size. I don't know how they shipped it like that. Their "patching" has not improved it at all on my end. Weirdest part is how it doesn't matter what the city size is which makes me think its something fricked with the game itself.
this is probably the biggest thing farthest frontier is doing wrong. population growth. theres no need to worry about booms or droughts.
you just build houses and the right amount of people show up for those houses.
newbie here, what's the best city builder if I don't want to spend a gorillion dollars on paraisraelite shit?
depends on the setting but i would say the best ones are Simcity 4 and Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom, you can get the first one by torrent and the latter in gog-games.to
my openttd world, no speedups ive just been grinding from 1950 to 1970. im pretty brand new to this type of game, only played sc2k beforehand. any reccomendations for any other game like this?
How are you liking it? I paid five bucks for the first one and it was okay, a bit limited and not very deep at all. I remember building row after row of the same building and not really feeling like I had any way of affecting the world.
Man, I'm so fricking bummed about it. I was holding out hope until the last minute. Hell, I still hope that it'll be good in like a couple years. And I actually did enjoy playing it up until I got far enough in that everything collapsed. But it needs at least half a year of dev time, probably more at Scandinavian speeds, and I don't know if it's going to have the funding for that. I can't see how they're going to be able to raise any new funds with a flop release and fewer concurrent players than CS1.
play surviving mars or one of those other terraforming mars games for the exact opposite colour change.
(I wish surviving mars was a lot better than it is)
>dislike city builders that force you to build in a grid >play game whose main selling point is not building in a grid >painstakingly build a grid
Real reason is that I like having the choice, and deviating from the grid to conform to the geography, but still makes me feel like a huge hypocrite
You can only work with 4 vertices, so they can be a square, a rectangle, or a variation of a trapezoid. Farms are the only exception of this rule, in which you can have 3 vertices and make a triangle. And that's it. You can't do curves or just add more vertices. You CAN use the fence tool and create lots of any shape you want for the houses, but they don't function as gardens which makes it quite lame.
In a previous build I did experiment around with building placements, mostly inspired by Manor Lords in having thin but long lots. Unfortunately the houses often plant a tree right beside their main entrance, so it can look bad as the people have to go through the tree to leave their lot
How do i break out of the simcity 4 grid? Just stop doing it I know, but it's somehow hard for me. Anyway what are some sc4 tips? I tried separating I-d, garbage and power to a neighbor region, and then have a nice suburb. It works OK but demand isn't 1-1 and now that my suburb is educated I-d is done. I'm not sure what to do with the industrial town now? Just make it a power and garbage town?
I can't explain it, but I build roads like branches of a tree. Each finishing with a 2x2 roundabout. This is for suburbs only. Haven't got a pic sorry.
Why can't Parakek care about their fans the same way CDPR does? At least the Poles actually apologize and try to rectify their frick-ups, are the Swedes just moronic?
I bought it last year, chuddy and played it until prestige 14 or so.
I started a new profile yesterday and now there is tea and three different flavors of rainwater.
I did. Very 'lifeless', uninspiring and numbers go up kinda game. The races rarely interact with each other if ever, they are just there, carrying out your bidding. They don't talk (there are no voices), they don't emote, they don't do anything beyond just working. I also don't like how the game introduce difficulty by crippling the player with number modifiers instead of introducing more stuff to manage. >what about the gameplay
Dull, due to the fixed spawning in the middle of same old flat terrain surrounded by trees in every run. No idea how the hell you get in there but whatever. The point is, theres no fun to be had when I have to keep building the same stuff in every run with slightly different colour palette or build order. Its like playing factorio till red science, only to restart the game but this time the iron patch is 50% smaller. While the next run is having all resource patches to be 50% smaller and you can only use burner drills for mining them. If you find this "fun", good. I don't so I will not recommend this game.
>very 'lifeless'
Yeah, I was struggling to define it myself but this sums it up.
It's a hard one because mechanically the game is fine but the constant resetting just makes it feel like a drag to play and there's very little personality to make you want to come back. I don't feel attached to my citizens or city at all and that really kills my will to play.
>It's a hard one because mechanically the game is fine but the constant resetting just makes it feel like a drag to play and there's very little personality to make you want to come back. I don't feel attached to my citizens or city at all and that really kills my will to play.
This is why I couldn't ever get into chess.
Yeah.
It's bizarre, building a small village then immediately moving on and starting from scratch again goes against everything I know about city builders and strategy games as a whole.
It's not bad per se, but it's made for people who like the idea of city builders and not people who actually like building towns and cities.
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>voxel tycoon (isn't even citybuilding, but whatever) >early accesss
>patagonia >early access (and racemixing)
>C:S 2 >is an untested unoptimized beta build
why are there no good, COMPLETE, city builders out this year?
I got against the storm but how many times can i build the same crude workstation?
Can't early access just be limited to 6 months and frick you if you can't finish your game by then?
>Can't early access just be limited to 6 months and frick you if you can't finish your game by then?
Would only encourage developers to rush 1.0 leaving an unmanageable waste of a game behind.
Looking for a game that lets you build a region of small towns akin to rural America. I know you can do it in Cities: Skylines, but it's clearly not made for that. Any recommendations anyone has?
Anon,
Where is my O'neil space colony builder, the one where I can adjust the gravity and build at the 0G center?
You know, the one where I can decide X colony is a tropical beach and the other a snowy mountain.
It's 2023 so we obviously have such game (else our civilization don't deserve existing).
But I can't seem to find it.
Imagining it: >type of construction
0) Foundation = 3-island or closed
Change how light work, citizen can complain if they have natural/artificial light
You can change rotation speed/temperature as wished but some building are only rated for X-level and the population will hate change
You can have multiple colonies linked to each other.
1) Structural = snap to a grid
Needed to get closer to the center of the colony, each case closer mean less gravity, up to no gravity
At start only fraction of the colony is pressurized
You also need to balance the station in mass/counter-weight
There's an automatic buffer and hidden underground, after you need to add mass manually on the opposite side.
If you want to create/control weather, you need structural parts.
Biggest game-changing/buildings? structural
2) Details = custom cities skylines
You build on top of the structural part so you can have layered cities
Going up/down a level mean a change in gravity
Soil/farm? painted manually
Mountain? You need a structural part, which is empty and thus you can build inside
Water/pond? painted manually, beware the unwanted water cycle
River? Need pump
>Transport
All your primary resources come from the center node at each side of the colony.
By default everything come down elevators, so you'll be lining up a lot of railway to them.
The center of the colony is rails and crane to build the rest.
You can build railways/elevator from the center but it create shadow.
Optimize enough and people can commute from one colony to the other.
You can set up flying car authorized flight zones.
>Economy
It's post-scarcity so money is about how useful/pleasant your colonies are.
You are encouraged to make specialized colonies paying for the other.
You reduce cost by building product in your cluster of colonies.
LEARN TO RECYCLE!
That's all for the big ideas, I let someone work out the little detail of making that game.
Cool idea but looks dead (last update in 2017) and possibly the stupidest business model ever conceived. >sorry you didn't hear about our incredibly obscure indie project years ago, please buy our latest pre-alpha build for 30 bucks instead >after many years in development we've finally reached our 1.0 release, that'll be 100 dollars please!
Bought Fabeldom on sale. I've been having quite a lot of fun with it. Reminds me a lot of ANNO in a way. It's very laid back and the art style is actually pretty cute. It has some interesting mechanics like how homes instead come with customizable lots with special buildings and decor that can do things. I just unlocked middle class apparments and you can make little squares and parks in the lots which is really neat.
I haven't really gotten there yet and from the looks of it I'm gonna say no cause despite me putting it to "Interested in girls" as the game asks all the other kingdoms are guys and they keep trying to frick me.
>its a medieval city builder, fish, hunt, farm and watch your village grow >its set somewhere between the VX and XX century (around cold war age) >its current day city builder >if fantasy, its medieval high fantasy >if sci-fi, its colonizing mars with slow ass hover drones
Where is my star base city builders, generation ship city builder, building floating cities on a gas giant, lovecraftian city builders, cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
>Where is my star base city builders, generation ship city builder, building floating cities on a gas giant, lovecraftian city builders, cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
It is in that game that reuse Earth city-builder engine except the soil/sky have different colors and you have less gameplay because "survival is hard on other planet"
I'm still waiting for
Anon,
Where is my O'neil space colony builder, the one where I can adjust the gravity and build at the 0G center?
You know, the one where I can decide X colony is a tropical beach and the other a snowy mountain.
It's 2023 so we obviously have such game (else our civilization don't deserve existing).
But I can't seem to find it.
Not recommending any of these, I just wanted to look if Steam search would give a result
>star base city builders
Too generic, if you accept 2D artificial gravity there tons of them
If you want 3D 0G or rotating gravity, that's where it get hard
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1687840/Heliopolis_Six/
I tried this one but I'm probably too dumb to do anything on screenshot
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1638300/Solargene/
Plus I imagine you already know IXION
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1113120/IXION/
>generation ship city builder
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1638030/Generation_Ship/
Found funny I could find a RPG
https://store.steampowered.com/app/648410/Colony_Ship_A_PostEarth_Role_Playing_Game/
>building floating cities on a gas giant
Too specific
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1273220/Sphere__Flying_Cities/
>lovecraftian city builders,
Fat chance, it's that or SCP foundation type management game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2482210/Eldritch_town/
>cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/427940/Industries_of_Titan/
Found funny this one had many of your tags
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1481170/ZEPHON/
You forgot >underwater city builder
So I'm adding it
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1254320/Surviving_the_Abyss/
Also, I was looking at other titles that you posted, from what I got, majority of them are early access with no content, or unfinished early access that devs already abandoned.
The only of these games that seems actually playable is ixion, but a common complaint is that the game is too railroaded, not exactly what I wanted. Anyone here played it?
>from what I got, majority of them are early access with no content, or unfinished early access that devs already abandoned
Pay for your niche game, investor, and accept the risk.
Ofc you can't trust devs too ambitious nor devs who only have superficial difference with other games.
But there's worse, there's the talented devs who can succeed but will never get much money because their work get no visibility even with Steam tag system.
>The only of these games that seems actually playable is ixion, but a common complaint is that the game is too railroaded, not exactly what I wanted. Anyone here played it?
I literally just bought it and am about to start playing it.
I was told it was good but with no replay value and mostly if you get it 15% cheaper than its full price (at the time), so I bought it when it was a 40% cheaper.
I intend to enjoy it and you can't stop me.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Pay for your niche game, investor, and accept the risk.
Problem is that if you want to play something that niche right now, you don't have anything but a handful of half baked EA. I want to play a game not make investments for something that may or may not be playable 5 years from now.
>I intend to enjoy it and you can't stop me.
I don't intend to.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Understandable but it might be the only way to "vote with your wallet" and get those E-A games "fully baked".
As much as I believe a O'neil colony city builder would be memetic enough to pay for itself, it's a risky venture and the devs would lose a lot if it fail.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Also
A dev making from scratch an engine good for a rotating space colony city builder would be unable to use it elsewhere.
Lot of money for an engine that can only be used for rotating space colony city builder.
>build new neighborhood in cities skylines >ridiculous amount of traffic coming out of it despite being smaller then my previous expansions >connect it in every way to the rest of the city >all buses and trams fill to capacity no matter how much i send >car flow avoiding avenues and ramming through side streets doesnt lessen >delete all busses and trams in frustration to start over >traffic is fine city wide
wat
You don't "give" power to the government. If the government is weak, it's usually because of rampant corruption, rampant bureaucracy, economic failure, external threats or sheer incompetence. Not because the governed are somehow withholding power from it.
To give an example, when you get arrested in the United States, the police are legally forbidden from beating you. This is not because the government doesn't have the power to beat you. Rather, the government legislators have decided that it is in their own best interest not to allow the police to beat people, except in specific circumstances. This is the case for all legal rights. They are something the government has chosen to grant you.
If the police don't like you for some reason, they might choose to beat you anyway, and there's a chance they could get away with it. The police are part of the government apparatus, but if the government lacks the ability to hold them accountable, they're able to overstep the law they're supposed to be enforcing. The power of the police to beat suspects is something that exists because the government is unable to take it away.
You can have lax zoning regulations under a strong government, if that's what the government decides is best. Having a government so weak that it literally cannot enforce zoning regulations is usually not an ideal situation, since once you get to that point, you tend to have other problems.
>This is the case for all legal rights. They are something the government has chosen to grant you.
This is where civilian ownership of firearms comes in. Police have an interest in not beating civilians at random because police are also susceptible to bullets, same as the politicians.
In a functional democracy, it's because it's easier for the legislators to stay in power if they serve the will of the people. People who are happy will keep voting for status quo, while people who are angry are going to want change, so if the status quo is you, it should be clear where your interests should lie.
Alas, few governments can be described as functional.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>In a functional democracy, it's because it's easier for the legislators to stay in power if they serve the will of the people.
And in a functional society the people are well armed because it's easier for the people to hold the legislators accountable when they're a match for that government's loyalist military.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>when they're a match for that government's loyalist military
So, hardly ever then. How about just being a match for the security service?
I doubt the politicians care if you can withstand an open battle against the army if you can just go at a political event and shoot them in the face.
There's more beating and death by firearms in a country with civilian owning firearms (and ammo).
Whoops.
And I'm from that country everyone laugh about being ungovernable because we manifest and burn car every time a politician do anything.
But stuff that, we need to get back on topic.
IS THERE A CITY BUILDER WHERE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP IS SIMULATED?
Better, one where you can have a mafia form, take over districts, fight off your police force and even take over prisons.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>IS THERE A CITY BUILDER WHERE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP IS SIMULATED? >Better, one where you can have a mafia form, take over districts, fight off your police force and even take over prisons.
Tropico is probably the only city builder with something like this.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Tropico 3 best in the series. 4 is also darn excellent.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>your police rating goes so low that the cartels start taking parts of the city >cut a deal with the cartels to have them act as de facto law enforcement >ton of money lost to corruption, but violent crime stays under control and your city's safety is fine >also a lot of the corruption money is flowing to you, and you can spend it however you wish, when the city's legal funds are subject to oversight and usually reserved for sensible purchases
Never ever
3 months ago
Anonymous
This, but with cyberpunk megacorps, please.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Unless it has flying cars it would just be a realistic, modern day city builder, innit.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Never ever
Your just need "Haiti cities simulator"
2 months ago
Anonymous
>your police rating goes so low that the cartels start taking parts of the city >cut a deal with the cartels to have them act as de facto law enforcement >ton of money lost to corruption, but violent crime stays under control and your city's safety is fine >also a lot of the corruption money is flowing to you, and you can spend it however you wish, when the city's legal funds are subject to oversight and usually reserved for sensible purchases
Never ever
I think Tropico 6 literally has both these things-- you can increase firearms ownership, giving more liberty, better soldiers but more homocides, and then you can get bribes from crimelords and the criminals under them in exchange for immunity-- too bad Tropico 6 sucks
I don't really understand what part of that statement you find controversial.
Laws are decided and enforced by the government. Legal rights are part of the law. Therefore, legal rights are decided and enforced by the government.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rights don't come from the government, European.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rights exist only insofar as they are upheld. Without a government, there are no rights. Unless you consider might a right, I guess.
But if you do, then every other right comes from whoever is strongest, which is kinda inherently still the government (if it wasn't the strongest it would lose its territory).
I have never seen a Post-Apoc City-Builder where some focus of the game is dedicated to actually exploring and inhabiting the preexisting world. If you're gonna make a Post-Apocalyptic game why can you never search for ruins to obtain pre-collapse goods and technologies for, or just use for shelter?
Old-world buildings and skyscrapers already exist, so why not use them to restart your new society in there? Stuff like a City-Builder where you build a city using the pre-existing infrastructure of the world.
Alright fricked around with it. Was interested in the trains(that don't really exist) and conveyor belts but thats all endgame and until you get there its just grey+brown banished+frostpunk. at which point couldn't be assed to figure out a whole new layout for them. maybe I'm just tired and will come back later but shrug.
Points for actually having an endgame though even if the story is barely there.
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I played this game years ago, it was fun, but in just a few hours I had built everything, done everything, the map is too small and the scope of the game is too small.
Pretty much. I can't believe the devs refuse to add something as simple as some terrain elevation, but they're adding it to their new game.
I did. Very 'lifeless', uninspiring and numbers go up kinda game. The races rarely interact with each other if ever, they are just there, carrying out your bidding. They don't talk (there are no voices), they don't emote, they don't do anything beyond just working. I also don't like how the game introduce difficulty by crippling the player with number modifiers instead of introducing more stuff to manage. >what about the gameplay
Dull, due to the fixed spawning in the middle of same old flat terrain surrounded by trees in every run. No idea how the hell you get in there but whatever. The point is, theres no fun to be had when I have to keep building the same stuff in every run with slightly different colour palette or build order. Its like playing factorio till red science, only to restart the game but this time the iron patch is 50% smaller. While the next run is having all resource patches to be 50% smaller and you can only use burner drills for mining them. If you find this "fun", good. I don't so I will not recommend this game.
I dream of a City Builder that is purely cosmetic, but the idea is that you can interact with the city, walking around, driving vehicles, photographing places, etc., and the idea is that there is a community creating cities/regions and sharing them with players.
Does anyone know if something like this exists?
>Fluids are supposed to be an important part of the game >You can't do most of the basic things with fluids because you cant remove water from the bottom of a dam without pumps
got this a couple of days ago, played on hard and realized immediately that its not a game about planning and instead its about knowing what are the first things you need to rush or its an instant game over
Is it just me or is tropico 6 quite boring and underwhelming? I played 4 and 5 like crazy a decade ago, 6 just feels different. I still can't get the economy to work properly, workers are anywhere but at their workplaces.
Anyone play pic related? Downloaded it last night and it's pretty cute. It's a weird mix between a casual ANNO and casual Dungeon Keeper. It's very cute and fun. The OST is quite a banger.
How do stop industries fricking disappearing in oTTD? I got an oil well that's slowly shrinking even though the station's rating is Excellent.
Frick earlier I even had a goods factory disappear even though 100% of its monthly output was shipped out.
Playing on Steam, did they frick this up recently in a patch or something?
I was playing on a desert map though, I thought oil wells ran infinite there and were just subject to the normal ups and downs? Not that it helped those farms and factories I've seen close too, despite being serviced.
I went to check on New City since I didn't remember seeing any updates for it in a while, and oh boy. Dev apparently completely abandoned it over a year ago without ever saying a word, then randomly made the entire game open source at some point, and now spends all his time schizoposting on twitter on the company account.
Shame, it used to look promising and especially the scale looked great.
I've learned not to spend money on these kinds of projects until there's actually a substantial product to play. Especially single dev ones that are one psychotic episode away from getting erased from existence.
https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/763010-submenus-dll/
Simcity 4 DLL modding is wild. This one adds the ability to have sub-menus for lots so you don't spend forever scrolling through the parks menu.
And a 5th leg grafted unto the old dog, maybe this will make it prance again. >Hopefully, in a community effort, we can update the most popular lot sets to use submenus, in no time.
I'm calling the IAMRA and an exorcist.
Hey I'm playing Caesar 3 with Augustus, and I keep getting a bug where random buildings lose labour access even if they've had it for a decade, and every building around it has no issues, even those one tile away in every direction.
Anyone had the same issues? Any solutions?
It started life as a traffic simulator, same way simtower started as an elevator simulator. You can tell because it's the only aspect that has any depth to it.
Cities in Motion is a traffic simulator.
Cities in Motion 2 is a traffic simulator.
Cities Skylines is also a traffic simulator, but you get to build the city from scratch.
This should not be a surprise. All the games in this franchise have the same basic premise of being an agent-based traffic simulator.
Does anyone know how to get Destinations working on Win 11? The EA app and the cracked copy only sends me back to the base game that isn't even updated.
My game crashes when starting a new city after finishing one, or if my city gets too big. I think that's always been an issue
It crashes when I try to load it. I used to be able to get around that by clicking the destinations desktop shortcut since the EA app has it fricked up. But that doesn't work anymore. Do you have a destinations desktop shortcut for your cracked version?
Yeah Societies is great for what it is, definitely no other city builder like it. I always sing its praises as one of the most underrated/overhated city builders.
Looking at other forums, users say that a cd copy is no longer usable because of a Windows update blocking the DRM in the disk. Only downloading a crack copy in the web is the only viable solution now.
Been playing skylines with my bro and it's a blast.
The cash intake is so slow and sometimes people just can't find the happiness even when it's right there.
>The cash intake is so slow
Skill Issue
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Only downloading a crack copy in the web is the only viable solution now.
They just keep pushing me to do this shit. I think I'm going to delete the EA app and never look back.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No cd hack for the exe is something I'd use even on games I didn't piate.
2 months ago
Anonymous
getting over the hump in industry/productivity where you start just mass churning out assembly plants and tenements to staff them is pure kino, along with the city instantly devolving into a piss yellow crime infested polluted mess
Currently playing through Tropico's campaign >USSR development aid >three banks with urban development >300 dollar tenements, 400 dollar apartments
yep, its gaming time although last couple maps, I held off on getting a college up and running too long so I could never get the price low enough to spam apartments everywhere It was shack city all the way
I'm considering getting Modern Times just to have more campaign to play; but I heard it does some frickery with the DLC's replacing old buildings and not actually superseding all their old functions
What's the most recent good game with the same basic gameplay concept as Caesar? I tried C4 and I thought it was trash.
Also same question for Patrician, though maybe you guys don't count that one as a city builder.
Afterlife was a neat little Sim City 2000 clone, the only real problem I have with it is it just becomes an absolute clusterfrick of doodads and colors after a point.
Exactly anon, that's my point. What you are looking at is heaven, what each individual piece means, I'd have a harder time describing.
LGR made a video on Afterlife almost a decade ago and he went into this exact issue on how the game becomes kinda unreadable after a point.
I think Nebuchanezzar.
Urbek is a rather weak game, it's more like a puzzle where each tile depends on the neighbour ones to develop, so you basically manage the space where you build things to have the correct resources and buildings that generate "synergy" with each other.
>Anno 1800 >Get to enbesa >neediest fricking tedious shit
GO HERE NO GO HERE NOW PIXEL HUNT. PIXEL HUNT AGAIN. QUIZ. GIBMEMEAT GIBME TEA. PIXEL HUNT AGAIN. Time to remember ten billion ethnic words!
Just let me go back to decorating my city I beg you.
>MAGNASANTI
kino thread
I'm worried about what the dude who made that is up to after all this time, he presents himself like a supervillain
first time playing the boston map, i like all the comfy rivers
You should remove the highway next to the water along the marina's. Landvalue is higher next to water and that value is now going to waste on a highway.
im larping irl Boston with the massive highway that used to run straight through downtown.
Ill fix it one day anon
Didn't Seattle do the same thing, too?
soul
souless
thanks anon
current city in 4 now
I admit the artistic style is much more pleasant than modern stuff like City-skyline.
I don't understand why those game don't come by default with visual filters since most of the point is making the city pretty.
>using cheat mods
You didn't beat it. Build it again with real roads.
nah. Games annoying when you need roads because 20 houses make 1 street over-congested. I dont understand how NAM is a cheat mod.
Also everything is grown except 3 of those landmarks so idc
CS does but i get what you mean. They should have a tilt shift filter tbh, its fun.
>20 houses make 1 street over-congested
All city builders are deflective as they all simulate rush hour all the time. The newer ones with individual agents still have minute long hours with everyone going back home while the furthest commuters are just now arriving to work. It's a mess.
yeah I know, thats my point. Its not cheating if the mod makes the traffic not fricking moronic.
Cities Skylines is better in ways but ig the point is the games arent traffic managers, they just try and get close to feeling realistic.
>pic
britain simulator?
Very impressive looking city, anon!
IGN's Skylines 2 review just dropped and it's not looking good bros
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YOU VILL DO ZE YOGA
Typical Paradox strategy. Release now, fix shit later
That's just an average street in India, anon
It's unfortunate that there's no better reviewer in games these days than this troony
Idc what game journalists are paid to say
Heres a real review: https://youtu.be/B_CN_5m7xqo?si=Fp-AJanDrPSiBf8j
Is this GTA 6?
We've all heard of city builders
But where's the fricking town builders?
dwarf fortress, rimworld(more of a very small village builder), banished, there are more but i can't be bothered to remember
I mean it more as in contemporary countryside town builder, not medieval town builder
unironically Sim City Societies and limit yourself to only building the "small town" buildings
tropico
Nice.
banished and 1000+ other clones, though I have to assume you're talking about something else since everyone knows about banished
there's more village/town builders than city builders
In my childhood.
Coolest kid in the computer lab right here
Fun fact: According to the UN, the dividing line between "town" and "city" is 50,000 people.
It's not just that there's 50k people, but also that they have 1500 or more residents per square kilometer. Those 2 together qualifies as dense enough for a city because that requires a certain level of urbanization to reach that number.
You play a city builder and keep it small. After all, that's the definition of a town. I don't really understand your premise. No one is forcing you to grow your urban settlement past a certain size, and city builders are generally designed to have various and multiple stages of growth with their own aesthetic and mechanics.
any city builder is a town builder if you just stop playing before you hit city status
Ostriv is comfy as frick but the developer is so slow at releasing any updates.
well, his country was just bombed into the medieval age
Not really it had the biggest updates since the suckers started donating them out of pity
I dont want excuses. I bought it so I want updates!
Here's that developer I was telling you about
One of the reasons I wish for Russia to implode is for the dev to start being able to work more on this instead of focusing on literally not dying under the bombs. The rest is mostly wanting to see /misc/tards in tears.
If the devs aren't on the front lines what excuse do they really have to not be working on their game?
power/internet going out every time the russians bomb down the infrastructure, happens quite often it appears. the dude lives in kharkhiv, which is basically on the frontline.
again, frick putin (and the /misc/tards supporting him) for not letting the dude work full time on the game
It's a shame the Ukrainian government has the Paradox map gamer FULL SIEGE ME DOWN homie I'M NOT GIVING YOU DONBABWE NO MATTER WHAT mindset :^)
the tucker interview shows without a doubt who the real irl paradox map gamer is in this conflict
How about we compromise and say both sides are deathwarring autists who wouldn't be out of place in a vicky 2 multiplayer youtube series
i put this on my wishlist what feels like forever ago. One day I will buy it. Really looking forward to it once it is further along.
dwarf fort and simmilar games are village builders. they dont meet the population ammount necesary to be towns
"Colony Sim" seems to be the most widespread terminology
May I suggest timberborn?
>town builder
>beavers, beaver specific mechanics
>you build vertically
>early access but devs have been updating it fairly consistently
>game itself is lightweight
>active discord community if you care about that
caeser 3
I want a city gentrifyer game where you start out with an existing city and have to turn things around by demolishing ghettos and increasing property value.
I want a game where you can even end up with ghettos
I always loved looking at the crime maps around my shitty dilapidated areas in SC4
It'll never happen because city builders tend to be too casual and outwardly friendly. That big old corporate forced smile. Crime will never be relevant other than an equivilent for trash disposal.
If only there was a city builder where you had to build actual plumbing, a functional grid, an actual economy, an education system from preschool to university, a crime and security apparatus as well as social, medical and emergency services...
that would be sooo complicated haha
>that would be sooo complicated haha
It kinda is. Soviet Republic is one of the few modern(ish, I suppose being set in the 70s probably makes it a historical game at this point) city builder games that actually have resources instead of abstracting everything to money or using the simcity style zoning mechanic. It also has a specific idea of realism where a house doesn't cost 3 logs even though a model obviously includes many different materials and you will need to deliver 8 different things, some of which you will have to import for a long time.
Construction industry is really fun in a crane autist sort of way but it makes the game pretty slow and means you have to plan out a lot of things in advance. You can quickbuild, but it's something you will use sparingly to fix small mistakes rather than the main way you do things, assuming you don't choose to entirely disable it anyway.
Now I think actually this is the main gameplay loop of WR and where it's appeal comes from, it also makes sense in context because that's how industrial commieblock towns in the middle of nowhere were built, but if you are coming from other style of game it probably feels like all the work in the way of building a city instead of the goal in itself.
>Construction industry is really fun in a crane autist sort of way
I enjoy my PlayCity Playmat simulator. Setting up a construction project then spending the next hour simply watching the trucks and cranes go about their work, or work on designing another aspect
>I enjoy my PlayCity Playmat simulator.
Oh, now that you mention it, I had a full room city carpeting as a child, that must have been when it all began. I was destined to play citibuilders from a young age.
>I had a full room city carpeting as a child
jealous
>Max game speed
>10x speed hack enabled
Yep it's city building time.
Only way I can tolerate it. Base speed is so god damn slow
Watching stuff get built is half the fun of building something
Only as an optional extra for when you feel like it. Having to sit there. Waiting for the slowest game ever sucks. Slowing down to watch the scenery is fine. Not being forced to sit there and always watch it
There's always plenty to do in the meantime while you're waiting for something to build. If you need to be that ADD about it you can play the instant build mode
No I like realistic mode for the extra logistical considerations. Not the waiting itself
3DPG
I've been playing it in sandbox mode and it's a lot of fun, reminds me more of Sim city in that you have to think about your citizens. Skylines shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence and I have a couple hundred hours in that game.
my criminal justice system is over-worked and moving so fricking slowly.
What is the best way to build upon the SimCity 4 design model without making it feel like the same game and without introducing mechanics that serve no other purpose but to annoy the player (ie Skylines)?
Just improve on parts that are lacking at the moments like
>lots lining with diagonal roads
>smooth performance on modern hardware
>more building themes
>better balanced civic buildings
>improved UI
Simcity 4 is already an almost perfect game, the only thing that is really needed is multicore support so it doesn't waste newer hardware and maybe a full 3d render so you can have curved roads. I wish more games had the regional map mechanic that Simcity 4 has, they would be worth a try for that alone at least
Map edit on the regional level.
Less moronic pathfinding from the sims.
Mixed zoning (medium and high density residential/commercial blocks) so you can have a downtown area that feels more alive.
More granular detail on the sim level.
Throw in a few curveballs, I played surviving mars and thought how much I wished it was more of a city builder. I'd love to see a mars or undersea where you've got to build pressure domes. Or if I was really going to shoot the moon, have the game set on an asteroid, that you hollow out, and spin up to create artificial gravity, and you build a city and bioscape along the walls like pic related.
I'm sure its impossible to do, but I've always fantasized about a game that contained the sims, sim tower, and sim city so you can create mega city one, or a 40k hive city and really revel in how awful it is on the personal level.
the agent simulation and public transportation in sim city 4 sucks ass even with rush hour. i fell in love with cities skylines the moment i saw you could actually draw routes and train lines. make it like that
also
>mixed-use zoning
>pedestrian streets (NAM's solution is kind of a hackjob workaround)
>arbitrary city tile size
>add natural resources
But instead of being a some pseudo-commie citystate that micromanages every aspect, it’s more about enabling or not enabling companies to move in with taxes, infra and edicts. Let the free market to do the rest
>separate retail and office zones
This is what Skylines did right
>more ability to control wealth based development
For me it's Anno
I don't want to deal with uplay, they lost my account details in a Russian hack years ago and I haven't gone back since.
If you can't do this, are you even trying?
i love you anon
It's baffling that no other city builder has copied the region map from Simcity 4. Seeing all your cities on the map and connecting them is so fricking cool. Really gives the game a grand sense of scale.
theotown does have region maps
you can even have multiplayer regions and watch as your city networks with other player's neighboring cities
or you would, if the result wasn't always a vomit inducing patchwork of mismatched "cities"
not really worth playing as anything but a citypainter sandbox anyway: too many "give me money" mobile-isms, and not enough simulation depth
Any oriental style city builders? Historical or modern I don't mind.
Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom comes to mind off the bat. Available on GoG. It's similar to Pharaoh, but has expanded interactions between cities and some other unique systems. I think it's probably the pinnacle of the Impressions era city builders.
I like it a lot too. I'd still say I prefer Caesar III on the balance of things because I'm more interested in the time period/Mediterranean theme, but Emperor's mechanics are undeniably richer.
I'll be honest, I didn't play the tutorial
but in Banished, how do you increase the max amount of people in a profession? like, more than 4 fishermen etc
A single fisherman's hut can only accommodate a maximum of four fishermen.
So if you've built three of those the maximum you can have will be twelve.
How's Farthest Frontier these days?
literally just finished a playthrough to check out how it is now. its still 95% the same as launch. needs real work still. especially everything about defence.
Its also pretty sad that rivers/bridges are "outside the scope of development" for them.
Man that's a shame, it was between Farthest Frontier and Going Medieval but both of them seem plagued by "Needs real work" annoyingly. Especially on defense, or so I've heard, not taken the plunge on Going Medieval because every time I go to check it out there's someone saying "X needs fixed direly"
I hope they can fix up the game. but the pace they have been updating at and the "content" of these updates has really not impressed me.
Farthest Frontier is good, it does need work but there is enough content there to justify buying it and a few good playthoughs.
Going Medieval is also pretty good and they're very active with updates. But once you get familiar with it it gets a bit boring. Still sunk 80 hours into it though.
>justify buying it
nah
>few good playthroughs
you can see everything in one
I justify it buy money spend/time spent playing it. The random map gens and types give it some replayability. Though I've never managed to get every building to the top tier, because I usually get bored and move on.
wow it sounds like a really great purchase?
>I buy a game and enjoy it for many hours.
>its still getting updates
>I will play it again in the future for many hours
I know your probably some autistic moron, but that is normally how people would decide if a purchase was worth it or not
Good god, nothing beats the comfiness of SC4.
>2003
>curved roads
>still isnt standard feature in city building games in 2023
sc4 was released in 2003.
those curved roads are from player created mods.
im no expert, but i dont remember them much before 2009.
it was a huge breakthrough, and later the fractional angel roads.
i fired up workers and resources for the first time recently, and that is a pretty good road tool.
>Have to scroll through dozens of pages of super specific road tiles
NAM was an awful experience. Also, when will a game let us define roads ourselves? Give me a fancy road editor for lanes, sidewalks, width and all that
Unbeatable aesthetics.
>completely unnecessary roundabout on a straight road just so you can show off a cool spire
That's literally every latin-american city, ya dum-dum!
A lot of cities have them. It's more of a form over function thing.
thats not even a roundabout,
thats a chicane
love that
>TAX2SD
It's not unnecessary, though. It's the only way to return without leaving the castle.
How many mods?
All of them, which has five layers of dependancies on some mod that went offline because someone copied it and used in their mod.
Seriously though, I hate the modding community of sc4 and their righteousness.
No, I'm not gonna sign up and suck Your Highness' wiener just to use your mod.
Whats the point of the wall if it isnt encircling anything
typical european city. Remnants.
Game?
Holy shit.
Simcity 4 could look like THAT?
But why does it run so shit on my pretty high-end PC?
It looks nice, but that layout seems like a pain to try and navigate IRL.
BERLINA MAGNA
btw. Merkel lives/d in one of these buildings
>heckin wow, it's half a square mile
meanwhile, cities skylines can simulate the entire city
I just want a historical city builder, but like SC4 rather than survival or production chain based.
How the frick did napoleon conquer that the wall + moat is too fire fr fr
holy fuark i remember playing this shit on Facebook
I played this game years ago, it was fun, but in just a few hours I had built everything, done everything, the map is too small and the scope of the game is too small.
Is there a recommended modlist for Cities Skylines?
All this recent talk of the second game is making me want to play the original again, but I haven't touched it for the last couple of years.
Yeah there is one list of working mod, a collection I mean. A bunch of people made a mod that kept track of good and bad mods and let you make modlists to enable amd disable from the game. Way better than workshop collection. Can't remember the name though.
I would love a city builder that encourages organic growth of a city over the span of a century.
You would start the game in the late 1800's with some dirt roads and scattered farms; the very first step you take is building a post office to put your town on the map. You wouldn't be able to start zoning until the 1920's, so your first buildings would spring up anywhere that the AI believes is the most optimal location.
Outside forces would promote the development of your city with infrastructure incentives. A railroad company wants to build a rail line between two edges of the map, and the station that you place will drive up demand nearby. Logging companies will gradually cut down forests and free up more of the map. In the 1950's, the State government wants to do the same but with a highway. Deindustrialization and urban blight can hit the city in the 1960's and 70's, which then leads to increased demand for low density housing far away from the city center. Stuff like that promotes building ad hoc, which is how most modern cities developed.
I remember Sim City 3000 had a mode where you would start in 1901 and could unlock more advanced power plants as the years progressed. Something like that, except it's a core gameplay mechanic.
This except it's from 2000-2100 and you play as a business buying up land and redeveloping a city in decline while dealing with new technologies such as robotics lowering the need for workers, modularity lowering the need for factories, work from home lowering the need for offices, delivery lowering the need for restaurants, while also needing more warehouses and production centers.You can lease your land to advertisers and make a neon billboard hell, try to consolidate remaining and emergent businesses into large office complexes and make a tower of youtubers or something. You can be a driving force for keeping people using fossil fuels for the next hundred years or rebuild the city into a series of walk-able neighborhoods connected by electric driven maglev trains. Since you're a business and not a city council, you have to deal with not only the actual city officials but also local investors and public opinion, local laws, other businesses, paying taxes instead of recieving taxes, and actually turn a profit from your dealings.
Yeah I've thought along similar lines many times, honestly any city builder where you don't play as literal god over the city and development happens largely on its own with you just guiding it would be great.
>I remember Sim City 3000 had a mode where you would start in 1901 and could unlock more advanced power plants as the years progressed
Damn I forgot all about that, I would always play with that mode
look into transport fever, it's sorta like that. definitely more of a focus on transit since the city building is handled almost entirely automatically but i think it's got the vibe you're looking for
You could try and play OpenTTD with mods and begin from the XVIII century. I recommend you try it in a map with water because i only had a few rivers and having a cart based economy can suck
I know I'm moronic anons, but is there such a thing as OpenLoco in the same way there is with TTD?
https://openloco.io/
Neat.
Some anons suggested OpenTTD or Transport Fever, but I think the game that comes closest to this formula is A-Train, because unlike the other two mentioned, in A-Train the city is more "concrete" instead of symbolic. In OpenTTD and Transport Fever the city serves more to symbolize the development of the region, but in A-Train you really have a city, each residence will collaborate with X inhabitants, there will be schools generating demand for passengers in the morning and at lunch time, and also nightclubs generating demand on weekends at night, etc. It's much more elaborate than OpenTTD and Transport Fever when it comes to the city itself.
>organic growth of a city over the span of a century
> A railroad company wants to build a rail line between two edges of the map, and the station that you place will drive up demand nearby.
it's been so long since i've played i can't remember but does Railroad Tycoon 3 do this?
Not quite a city building game but similar and a formative part of my childhood.
>soulful sprites that feel ripped straight out of medieval tapestry
Kino.
i remember playing sim safari everyday at recess to the point where i would get yelled at by the teacher for hogging the computer
Sim safari is such a fever dream to me, I never had any clue what I was doing and my ecosystems would always collapse lol. Also I loved the African village minigame, I assume at the time it was very progressive but I remember they would also poach your animals if they were unhappy.
You could light the whole village on fire which was based. Damn, I gotta find a way to play this game again
lol I remember different natural disasters that could happen but I forgot they could affect the village too
It's on my abandon ware site. I reinstalled it recently.
Also man my favorite was watching the village you hire people from slowly evolve. honestly I wish that was the game managing that than building the resort.
I installed it too! The ecology system is just as busted as I remember it to be lol
all i would ever do is just spam animals
>boot up TheoTown because i assumed it's simcity 2k but prettier
>been getting complaints about terrible traffic in industrial area
>build freight rails to reduce trucks in traffic
>traffic still terrible
>wtf
>check freight station
>it's divided in several tiles
>most are decorations with maintenance costs (???)
>finally found the tile that supposedly controls the station
>no passengers with 0% capacity
>went to forums out of confusion
>find out that rail stations are actually purely decorative with no impact on traffic
>traffic is just impacted by busses, metros and all the other gay shit with no impact on goods transportation from industrial areas
>mfw
why bother simulating at all? i swear to God city builders with half-assed "simulation" systems like these are fricking cancer and should go mask off with being a city painting sandbox instead, holy shit
>traffic is just impacted by busses, metros and all the other gay shit with no impact on goods transportation from industrial areas
Yes, mass transit does in fact help with traffic, ignorant carcuck.
>dat reading comprehension
i don't need to explain why building freight train network are completely useless in TheoTown again to a homosexual that can barely read like you
I wonder if it's just Ganker pulling more morons from around the web or a general societal trend, but functional illiteracy is definitely on the rise. It wasn't this bad a decade ago.
I'm pretty sure that was some kind of political bot
It just saw something about mass transit and gave a programmed response. An even bigger problem for the net than the ones you brought up is the massive amount of astroturfing going on these days.
>is the massive amount of astroturfing going on these days
elaborate further.
>rail stations are actually purely decorative
That's kinda funny tbh
I got Theotown because I expected Simcity 2k with traffic simulation but yeah the game feels way too shallow and unbaked. I also somehow expected it to be a more OpenTTD style with preexisting industries and such, sadily wasnt the case. Guess I should just keep playing OTTD
Any city builder that can simulate mountain properly? High altitude, slope, waterfall, comfy city, etc. Things you can find in Nepal, Switzerland, c**ts like that.
Most likely not what you looking for but the word waterfall reminds me to shill Timberborn, physics based water control is the main mechanic there
Timberborn is such a great mix of comfy and impending doom. Stacking buildings is also very interesting.
I find it hard to get the right difficulty though. Either droughts are no issue ever. Or you get weeks on end, a few days to recuperate. Followed by another month long drought. And I have no idea how to handle that.
I watched some videos and the game seems to be lacking a bit on content. Do you think its worth buying?
I am looking for a city or colony builder in a fantasy or sci-fi setting. Don't want to build a boring regular city in games like Skylines, or even the ones featuring medieval or XX century settings.
Tried kingdoms and castles but the scope is too small, Frostpunk is too pretendious, doesn't give that much freedom for building and has tons of DLCs.
Any recomendations?
>worth buying timberborn?
almost? the basics are solid but yes it does need content.
I think it's worth buying yes. I never thought it was lacking so much content to not be enjoyable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1823950/Laysara_Summit_Kingdom/
Neat. I know what I'm playing tonight
Nice.
>playing Nebudchadnezzar
>city starts spiralling
>not enough peasants to man the fisheries to attract townsmen
>not enough townsmen to be city guards
>not enough city guards to stop thieves robbing the warehouses that keep my peasants fed which leads to peasants leaving
I hate this bullshit
Are you enjoying the game tho? I got it as a gift but haven't given it a shot yet
i've been playing sim city 2000 for like 25 years now and i'm still not bored of it
How do 3k and 4k compare to it?
idk i've never played any other sim city games
Truly wholesome
They're both better
So at 60,000 people in your city, you get the opportunity for the military to come in and build a base of some sort. Usually it's an army base, but a naval base or air base is also possible. As a young child I also heard rumors of a missile base, however I never got one :/
I've even gotten the Launch Arcos to launch, but never a missile base. Have you gotten one Anon?
I've gotten one(s). I'm not sure if it's a glitch or not but when I got, I got a few randomly thrown across the map. A site says that you get it if the terrain is hilly.
Literally no reason to be playing 2000 when 3000 exists and looks so much better and polished. SC4 adds a whole lot more complexity and feels "different" but SC3K hit the perfect mix IMO.
bro your windows crack
Never activating.
https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
here you go dude, i didnt pay for it either
i respect the attitude but not the purpose
I wish I could enjoy OpenTTD but it doesn't get its grips in me like other Tycoon/Builder games do. Hell I even love building trains in Factorio but something about OpenTTD is just draining to me.
I can't like OpenTTD because I'm too used to A-Train, where timetables matter. I want to understand why so many westerners insist on making train sims not have a ingame "real time", like Transport Fever 2, for example, where a passenger train takes several days of ingame time to arrive at the next station. That's so ridiculous it hurts.
Simutrans would be a solution, because it has a similar scope to OpenTTD, but there's a day and night cycle and such, but I don't feel it's comparable to A-Train, especially 9 v5.0 or Tourism!, both of which have a decent enough time scale for you to make fine adjustments to your trains departures for the different demands of different areas.
I've never played the TF games but for OpenTTD I feel like PAX, where timetabling and realistic peaks/troughs would matter the most, is secondary to cargo which is more of a plain logistics issue. I'd love a transport game that focused on good PAX lines between cities and generating good growth. Like the OpenTTD custom game scripts but not shit, with an actual gameplay loop and not just bringing everything on the map to one city. Having to spawn new industries or just hope the city starts with the ones you need to make the script happy is annoying too. It's glaringly obvious how limited it is even with custom exes and newgrfs.
Germans don't believe in the concept of time, that's why Einstein left
so is cities skylines 2 doa? I played a bit and am enjoying myself. Seems like most people are shitting on it though.
Yes, because all the economic "simulation" doesn't exist. It's just a city painter, not a builder.
god damn that picture gives me the most incredible boner.
anyway i had a lot of fun with the original cities skylines making Japanese district themes and building my own train-suffused mountainous countryside
Got you covered with the map
See the description in the video
Every time I see this I want to play sc4 with this map.
But not only can I not find the same map, but it seems like this would take years to do.
its got good bones but got released 6 months/1 year too early like all paraslop these days. unclear what happened with the economic simulation but it seems they either turned it off for release cause it wasnt working right or it's just super buggy. either way ive been having fun
yeah i heard the economy simulation wasn't good but i'm not smart enough to know how that shit works so I guess it fooled me.
i've only played with parks and industries. never used any of the more advanced road mods so the tools are a nice upgrade. I miss building parks though. performance has been fine for me but I have a 4070 and im still only around 20k population.
they seem to be fixing it but imo the economy stuff is irrelevant who's playing cities for an economic sim
it could get fixed with mods, but paraisraelite is afraid that mods would show how pathetic they are
have you played 1 with all major dlc's? its lacks a lot of features right now. And the fps is very bad for the low poly no texture graphics like that.
It's a shit launch, but the core of the game is fine. There's so much wrong with it that it'll take a year or two to fix it all probably, but then it'll be good. I also enjoyed it for the first 24 hours of gameplay and the fixes they've already done have improved it.
My idea for city-builder would dating sim hybrid
>you are a female mayor
>each turn is divided to day-city-planning and night-dating
sims already exists, homosexual
you don't plan cities or manage politics in the sims, last time I checked
theres prob a mod for it, city builders dont have politics either, but it would be an interesting addition
stuff like frostpunk is close to it but it treats the city building like a puzzler instead of something you can work on and thrive
Sounds extremely gay but based if it was a male mayor
well, it is supposed the female because the goal is to balance your happiness vs career success
e.g. put too much energy on politics, you frick up your dates and die alone, and if you focus on building a family, you lose-elections
I rather larp as a corrupt womanizer
I could easily see some kind of "the mayor" hybrid RPG, though it would probably be more Suzerain style where really it's just a visual novel with a thin veneer of city builder in this case. But you would interact with all the various factions of your typical first world city and have to balance their interests, also many opportunities for sleazebag corruption if you so choose
Any place where I can find a pack of Sim City 4 together with good mods?
You WILL download every mod individually from Simtropolis and you WILL be happy
a while ago i was thinking of backing up my game so i didn't have to redownload every mod and my drive died the next day, if you find one please (You) me because im postponing that torturous process
>But why does it run so shit on my pretty high-end PC?
from what i heard the game only uses one core of your cpu, 4 GB of ram and the hardware render barely works so your gpu is useless and the graphics are rendered with the same core of the cpu that runs the simulation
Random question but since I wouldn't know where to ask this and most IRL city planners that have a passion for it probably play city builders, what's the most autistically perfect city around today? One where they let some Megamind design everything and even though it's obviously not perfect it's the most efficient sort of model we have?
What exactly do you mean by perfect city? La Plata Argentina is probably the most grided out city in the world.
Only existed as an idea but Walt Disney's original plan for EPCOT is as close one man got to building an autistically perfect city that I know of. Everyone's suburb house would have been equidistant to an underground public transportation stop which were equidistant to downtown where presumably most people would work. Roadways were also underground as well as a train network that would handle import and exports.
It didn't get very far as he died of cancer a few years into the project and the land became today's Disney World. If he didn't die he would have either quit or run out of money as he wanted to build underground road and rail networks in a wetland where the water table was only a few feet deep.
its not a city its human experiment
One that would have been terrible imo: Case in point - Rapture from Bioshock.
>something that never happened was going to be bad
>my proof
>a video game
What about Fordlandia though ?
John Calhoun was a hack, and none of his experiments reflect human populations. Even the Kowloon Walled City, with its insane population density, lawlessness and lack of basic services like running water and garbage collection failed to drive its inhabitants insane.
>failed to drive its inhabitants insane
It's not about being driven insane
Yes it is. Sanity means your ability to function in society. So long as the rats in the maze are sane, their society functions, and vice versa.
>Sanity means your ability to function in society
Peak moron
It does.
Then I guess the population density wasn't "insane" if everyone in Kowloon functioned
In that instance "insane" just means "very high". You know that's what it means. You are able to understand the English language, you are just pretending not to because you don't want to accept that I am right.
>In that instance "insane" just means "very high"
But it's not insane, why would you use that instead of "very high"? Why try and redefine insanity if you're immediately going to misuse it?
autism or mental moronation?
He's definitely autistic, I'm not sure why you keep engaging with him.
"the mice weren't driven insane"
woah, what a good start to the whole thread
By this definition all mice are insane to begin with. They have no functioning society. Even if you redefine words to mean something different, it doesn't make you right about the relationship between the research and what you're trying to say it said. Words are just labels.
Americans are insane.
>what's the most autistically perfect city around today?
None of them really. The problem with a lot of the planned cities is they face a bunch of compromises, reality and the law of unintended consequences hits like a ton of bricks since there are always things you never even considered accounting for that create compounding issues. Or it turns out that they weren't as smart as they thought they were, and it was flawed from the first stages - look at Brasilia.
Its expensive, and requires a lot of investment in infrastructure and buy in from industry and business to keep money coming through, otherwise its just another suburb or decaying urban center.
I'm not a city planner but: super blocks are great, theres also an older concept of hex blocks and from what I've heard Freiburg is a great example of euro new urbanism... and of course theres always Amsterdam
Hex blocks are a cool basic idea but they have enough problems that there isn't yet a clear ideal way to use them.
Can i has SC4 CAMelots?
I'm playing plan B: terraform. It's simultaneously factorio for morons and a Per Aspera without all the gay story shit. Pretty fun, would recommend.
>Per Aspera
was my first thought looking at the screenshot. this looks very... basic? thats a lot of copy paste models just sitting there
You just fed the city its need -> city grows
only cities but heres 440k happy people drinking their own shit
>those roads
>that landscaping
Grosser then the Flint water tbh
it's all processed and reprocessed by the people, they've come to love it, almost like it gave them superpowers 90k/w net gains, 86% traffic, all 25 tiles
Reminds me of this shithole I made in early CS1.
>only river drains off the map very slowly
>growing city dumps more and more sewage into the river
>after a while the sewage dump rate passes river drain rate
>river changes direction, sewage floods low lying districts
>build a dam to hold back the poo and force it off the map
>dam works for a while but is eventually overwhelmed
>build more dams, only for them to be breached again later by the eternally growing Lake Poo
The great shittening.
>San Franshitsco in vidya form
I remember there being water treatment plants in this game to prevent rivers from being clogged with too much shit, did those just not work for how slow the river was or you didn't build them for whatever reason?
Those weren't in the game yet. The only option was to dump the dumps in water.
imagine the smell if you were blessed with having "waterfront" property
I'm going back to playing Anno 1800 and workers and Resource, how did they manage to downgrade the game so much? people strolling around under a tornado, road, and powerlines intact cars that weigh 500 tons. Water physics is a disaster compared to the first one. I can't believe people actually paid for this game and thinks there is only a couple of problem to be fixed.
I've never seen a studio fix the water physics post release.
Not to mention even basic shit like UI has a downgrade even though they could have just ported everything from the first
>colors for bus and subway lines are desaturated and faded by default making it a pain in the ass to read if you're zoomed out at all
>colors for zoning plots are dimmer too for no fricking reason
>building anything below ground is a fricking disaster and impossible to gauge depth. Mouse pointer and the "actual" placement are separate because...???
What a shitshow
Was anyone in the Ganker thread the other day for SC4? I put out the idea of a shared region, where different people are assigned a city, then the cities are all combined in a month or so to populate it.
Would anyone be up for experimenting with that?
Not really but can you recommend some good SC4 regions?
Someone is attempting to make sim town, but better
Is this the one with the hot dog people?
Not anymore
It's like what I always wanted from the sims.
Yeah or like the cancelled project SimsVille, I remember being so excited seeing the trailer for that as a kid only for nothing to ever come out.
They definitely nailed the rollercoaster tycoon aesthetics if that's what they're going for
>1998
that looks promising enough to me
oh we're so back
Did you need to do anything special to get it running? I have a SC2000 SE disc around her somewhere but I never bothered to install it.
disc should work, just point it to the install folder. needed a couple things, a homebrew installer and a patch
>installer
https://www.weasyl.com/~oneandonly/submissions/41208/simcity-2000-installer
>patch
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/14-simcity-2000-compatibility-patch/
>archive files just in case (i used the zip version)
https://archive.org/details/sc2000_win95
Guys I think I hate cities skylines 2. It makes 0 sense how that game can run so horribly regardless of settings or town size. I don't know how they shipped it like that. Their "patching" has not improved it at all on my end. Weirdest part is how it doesn't matter what the city size is which makes me think its something fricked with the game itself.
What is it about SC2K that makes it look so much better than the other games in the series?
isometric+sovl
the absolute desperation
What PS1 game is this?
DAMN pee ess ecks sim city 2000 looks like THAT?!
>european refugee crisis, 2023, colorized
this is probably the biggest thing farthest frontier is doing wrong. population growth. theres no need to worry about booms or droughts.
you just build houses and the right amount of people show up for those houses.
>booms
aaaah make it stop!
oh well, nothing that a lack of food and an excess of typhus can't fix
and then everything starts to catch on fire, too...
I think it's over
it finally stabilized.. half my population gone, oops
Why isn't there an open sc4 yet?
EA would kill it
depends on the setting but i would say the best ones are Simcity 4 and Emperor Rise of the Middle Kingdom, you can get the first one by torrent and the latter in gog-games.to
EA is very laid back when it comes to modding it’s old games
What the anon said, also Tropico 4 and older Anno games are nice
my openttd world, no speedups ive just been grinding from 1950 to 1970. im pretty brand new to this type of game, only played sc2k beforehand. any reccomendations for any other game like this?
Care to share a save game so I may explore your work?
Fellow OTTD enjoyer Chad.
https://mega.nz/file/ZCsAmDDZ#k7PQxCe20T0PLTXmuUnBzTPWTmAOmoYyweO4dvjQrzE
am i doin it rite
I remember making a single train track with a massive train that would pick everything up and deposit it on one giant loop. Was super satisfying.
nice splines...
reticulated?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1771110/The_Settlings/
I just saw this. Interesting concept but development is slow.
newbie here, what's the best city builder if I don't want to spend a gorillion dollars on paraisraelite shit?
Urbek City Builder for an easy, comfy game
Just pirate
Star Wars Empire at War just got a x64 bit support patch after 16 years. EA could do it in a heartbeat and save SC4.
Star Wars Empire at War is developed by a studio that still exists.
>Half-life received an update after 25 years
>SC4 will forever be left to the sands of time.
My most recent Citystate 2 city
Same city at 30k population
How are you liking it? I paid five bucks for the first one and it was okay, a bit limited and not very deep at all. I remember building row after row of the same building and not really feeling like I had any way of affecting the world.
I don't think its perfect, but way better than skylines.
>skylines 2 was shit
It's over, we'll never get another good city builder.
Man, I'm so fricking bummed about it. I was holding out hope until the last minute. Hell, I still hope that it'll be good in like a couple years. And I actually did enjoy playing it up until I got far enough in that everything collapsed. But it needs at least half a year of dev time, probably more at Scandinavian speeds, and I don't know if it's going to have the funding for that. I can't see how they're going to be able to raise any new funds with a flop release and fewer concurrent players than CS1.
It is giving me SimCity 5 flashbacks.
>expecting games made by trandinavians to be good
>trandinavians
im stealing that one
LUMBER
PUNK
>tfw can't play city builders anymore because watching the green map go to red/brown/house color like a growing tumor gives me anxiety
play surviving mars or one of those other terraforming mars games for the exact opposite colour change.
(I wish surviving mars was a lot better than it is)
I get this in Anno 1800. As you build wolves, deer and buffalo scatter into the wilds.
>dislike city builders that force you to build in a grid
>play game whose main selling point is not building in a grid
>painstakingly build a grid
Real reason is that I like having the choice, and deviating from the grid to conform to the geography, but still makes me feel like a huge hypocrite
Wish the dev (who I hope did not get killed by a shell) would make it possible to add more vertices like in Foundations
>all the buildings are square
Are they forced to be, or is that part of you doing a shit job?
You can only work with 4 vertices, so they can be a square, a rectangle, or a variation of a trapezoid. Farms are the only exception of this rule, in which you can have 3 vertices and make a triangle. And that's it. You can't do curves or just add more vertices. You CAN use the fence tool and create lots of any shape you want for the houses, but they don't function as gardens which makes it quite lame.
Oh, yeah then it's basically not your fault, at most you could cant them and make a slanty grid
In a previous build I did experiment around with building placements, mostly inspired by Manor Lords in having thin but long lots. Unfortunately the houses often plant a tree right beside their main entrance, so it can look bad as the people have to go through the tree to leave their lot
How do i break out of the simcity 4 grid? Just stop doing it I know, but it's somehow hard for me. Anyway what are some sc4 tips? I tried separating I-d, garbage and power to a neighbor region, and then have a nice suburb. It works OK but demand isn't 1-1 and now that my suburb is educated I-d is done. I'm not sure what to do with the industrial town now? Just make it a power and garbage town?
I can't explain it, but I build roads like branches of a tree. Each finishing with a 2x2 roundabout. This is for suburbs only. Haven't got a pic sorry.
The proportions on those windmills need to be fixed.
What NewGRFS go well with FIRS/Iron Horse/Road Hog?
Have they fix CS2? Also shameless bump.
Nope. Some minor fixes only
Why can't Parakek care about their fans the same way CDPR does? At least the Poles actually apologize and try to rectify their frick-ups, are the Swedes just moronic?
anyone pick up Against the Storm?
I bought it last year, chuddy and played it until prestige 14 or so.
I started a new profile yesterday and now there is tea and three different flavors of rainwater.
I did. Very 'lifeless', uninspiring and numbers go up kinda game. The races rarely interact with each other if ever, they are just there, carrying out your bidding. They don't talk (there are no voices), they don't emote, they don't do anything beyond just working. I also don't like how the game introduce difficulty by crippling the player with number modifiers instead of introducing more stuff to manage.
>what about the gameplay
Dull, due to the fixed spawning in the middle of same old flat terrain surrounded by trees in every run. No idea how the hell you get in there but whatever. The point is, theres no fun to be had when I have to keep building the same stuff in every run with slightly different colour palette or build order. Its like playing factorio till red science, only to restart the game but this time the iron patch is 50% smaller. While the next run is having all resource patches to be 50% smaller and you can only use burner drills for mining them. If you find this "fun", good. I don't so I will not recommend this game.
Sorry, small correction, they do have voices, need to turn up the volume quite a bit to hear them.
thank you for the info. doesnt really sound like it's for me.
>very 'lifeless'
Yeah, I was struggling to define it myself but this sums it up.
It's a hard one because mechanically the game is fine but the constant resetting just makes it feel like a drag to play and there's very little personality to make you want to come back. I don't feel attached to my citizens or city at all and that really kills my will to play.
>It's a hard one because mechanically the game is fine but the constant resetting just makes it feel like a drag to play and there's very little personality to make you want to come back. I don't feel attached to my citizens or city at all and that really kills my will to play.
This is why I couldn't ever get into chess.
Yeah.
It's bizarre, building a small village then immediately moving on and starting from scratch again goes against everything I know about city builders and strategy games as a whole.
It's not bad per se, but it's made for people who like the idea of city builders and not people who actually like building towns and cities.
rushed the town hall but these fricks never show up when you do actually need them..
Started Tropico 4 and its really fun, like how main city looks
view from countryside
and small tourist town on other side of the island
looks comfy man
i see a shack bro. shoot those counterrevolutionaries.
worst thing about shacks is that they love to build them on forests and beaches, and when you raze them it leaves brown wasteland
I like about game that you dont have to build in grids
>spends five minutes meticulously lining up that palm tree planter to cover up the dirt next to an intersection
Looks a lot nicer then when I play.
Impressive, very nice
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I got this game for free at some point in my life and had a blast with it.
>tenements
is there mod enabling you to build your own forests, this looks great though you need more teamsters by the looks of it
unmodded, just be careful where you place your stuff
Tenements look great in peripheral parts where you keep industry, tropical paradise needs its ghettos
the tall palms are decorative iirc
no proles allowed in the city
I like taxis
https://tadgames.itch.io/idlecitysim2051
anyone play this before?
is it good?
I'm too goddamn utilitarian, need to do some stupid fort again, Maybe I will try building the line fort in the desert, seems fun.
>Maybe I will try building the line fort in the desert, seems fun.
based and Neompilled MBSposter
>timberborn
>early access
>songs of syx
>early access
>voxel tycoon (isn't even citybuilding, but whatever)
>early accesss
>patagonia
>early access (and racemixing)
>C:S 2
>is an untested unoptimized beta build
why are there no good, COMPLETE, city builders out this year?
I got against the storm but how many times can i build the same crude workstation?
Can't early access just be limited to 6 months and frick you if you can't finish your game by then?
>Can't early access just be limited to 6 months and frick you if you can't finish your game by then?
Would only encourage developers to rush 1.0 leaving an unmanageable waste of a game behind.
Looking for a game that lets you build a region of small towns akin to rural America. I know you can do it in Cities: Skylines, but it's clearly not made for that. Any recommendations anyone has?
Anon,
Where is my O'neil space colony builder, the one where I can adjust the gravity and build at the 0G center?
You know, the one where I can decide X colony is a tropical beach and the other a snowy mountain.
It's 2023 so we obviously have such game (else our civilization don't deserve existing).
But I can't seem to find it.
Please help!
Maybe bother Jeff Bezos and Bandai to make it.
>Rotating O'neill space city builder
Imagining it:
>type of construction
0) Foundation = 3-island or closed
Change how light work, citizen can complain if they have natural/artificial light
You can change rotation speed/temperature as wished but some building are only rated for X-level and the population will hate change
You can have multiple colonies linked to each other.
1) Structural = snap to a grid
Needed to get closer to the center of the colony, each case closer mean less gravity, up to no gravity
At start only fraction of the colony is pressurized
You also need to balance the station in mass/counter-weight
There's an automatic buffer and hidden underground, after you need to add mass manually on the opposite side.
If you want to create/control weather, you need structural parts.
Biggest game-changing/buildings? structural
2) Details = custom cities skylines
You build on top of the structural part so you can have layered cities
Going up/down a level mean a change in gravity
Soil/farm? painted manually
Mountain? You need a structural part, which is empty and thus you can build inside
Water/pond? painted manually, beware the unwanted water cycle
River? Need pump
>Transport
All your primary resources come from the center node at each side of the colony.
By default everything come down elevators, so you'll be lining up a lot of railway to them.
The center of the colony is rails and crane to build the rest.
You can build railways/elevator from the center but it create shadow.
Optimize enough and people can commute from one colony to the other.
You can set up flying car authorized flight zones.
>Economy
It's post-scarcity so money is about how useful/pleasant your colonies are.
You are encouraged to make specialized colonies paying for the other.
You reduce cost by building product in your cluster of colonies.
LEARN TO RECYCLE!
That's all for the big ideas, I let someone work out the little detail of making that game.
Right here!
http://highfrontier.com
Cool idea but looks dead (last update in 2017) and possibly the stupidest business model ever conceived.
>sorry you didn't hear about our incredibly obscure indie project years ago, please buy our latest pre-alpha build for 30 bucks instead
>after many years in development we've finally reached our 1.0 release, that'll be 100 dollars please!
Bought Fabeldom on sale. I've been having quite a lot of fun with it. Reminds me a lot of ANNO in a way. It's very laid back and the art style is actually pretty cute. It has some interesting mechanics like how homes instead come with customizable lots with special buildings and decor that can do things. I just unlocked middle class apparments and you can make little squares and parks in the lots which is really neat.
can you fugg the princess in the dating sim part yet?
I haven't really gotten there yet and from the looks of it I'm gonna say no cause despite me putting it to "Interested in girls" as the game asks all the other kingdoms are guys and they keep trying to frick me.
>its a medieval city builder, fish, hunt, farm and watch your village grow
>its set somewhere between the VX and XX century (around cold war age)
>its current day city builder
>if fantasy, its medieval high fantasy
>if sci-fi, its colonizing mars with slow ass hover drones
Where is my star base city builders, generation ship city builder, building floating cities on a gas giant, lovecraftian city builders, cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
>Where is my star base city builders, generation ship city builder, building floating cities on a gas giant, lovecraftian city builders, cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
It is in that game that reuse Earth city-builder engine except the soil/sky have different colors and you have less gameplay because "survival is hard on other planet"
I'm still waiting for
what an odd perspective
Not recommending any of these, I just wanted to look if Steam search would give a result
>star base city builders
Too generic, if you accept 2D artificial gravity there tons of them
If you want 3D 0G or rotating gravity, that's where it get hard
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1687840/Heliopolis_Six/
I tried this one but I'm probably too dumb to do anything on screenshot
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1638300/Solargene/
Plus I imagine you already know IXION
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1113120/IXION/
>generation ship city builder
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1638030/Generation_Ship/
Found funny I could find a RPG
https://store.steampowered.com/app/648410/Colony_Ship_A_PostEarth_Role_Playing_Game/
>building floating cities on a gas giant
Too specific
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1273220/Sphere__Flying_Cities/
>lovecraftian city builders,
Fat chance, it's that or SCP foundation type management game
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2482210/Eldritch_town/
>cyberpunk dystopian metropolis city builders.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/427940/Industries_of_Titan/
Found funny this one had many of your tags
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1481170/ZEPHON/
You forgot
>underwater city builder
So I'm adding it
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1254320/Surviving_the_Abyss/
you fricking kidding m8
That's what the Steam tag got me
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=7432%2C4328&supportedlang=english&ndl=1
It's that or the zookeeper
better to just say that there is no good one.
Also, I was looking at other titles that you posted, from what I got, majority of them are early access with no content, or unfinished early access that devs already abandoned.
The only of these games that seems actually playable is ixion, but a common complaint is that the game is too railroaded, not exactly what I wanted. Anyone here played it?
The truth needed to be said.
>from what I got, majority of them are early access with no content, or unfinished early access that devs already abandoned
Pay for your niche game, investor, and accept the risk.
Ofc you can't trust devs too ambitious nor devs who only have superficial difference with other games.
But there's worse, there's the talented devs who can succeed but will never get much money because their work get no visibility even with Steam tag system.
>The only of these games that seems actually playable is ixion, but a common complaint is that the game is too railroaded, not exactly what I wanted. Anyone here played it?
I literally just bought it and am about to start playing it.
I was told it was good but with no replay value and mostly if you get it 15% cheaper than its full price (at the time), so I bought it when it was a 40% cheaper.
I intend to enjoy it and you can't stop me.
>Pay for your niche game, investor, and accept the risk.
Problem is that if you want to play something that niche right now, you don't have anything but a handful of half baked EA. I want to play a game not make investments for something that may or may not be playable 5 years from now.
>I intend to enjoy it and you can't stop me.
I don't intend to.
Understandable but it might be the only way to "vote with your wallet" and get those E-A games "fully baked".
As much as I believe a O'neil colony city builder would be memetic enough to pay for itself, it's a risky venture and the devs would lose a lot if it fail.
Also
A dev making from scratch an engine good for a rotating space colony city builder would be unable to use it elsewhere.
Lot of money for an engine that can only be used for rotating space colony city builder.
StA is dead, so is IoT,
Was it good?
It would always crash on me ten minutes into playing. I have no idea.
I only got a glimpse of it. The only thing I remember is your emails came to you via train and that was the coolest shit.
I fricking loved this game so god damn much. I'm almost surprised that LEGO hasn't done an actual builder game yet.
Is that theotown?
It's embarrassing that you took some of your precious lifetime to type all this out and post it.
>build new neighborhood in cities skylines
>ridiculous amount of traffic coming out of it despite being smaller then my previous expansions
>connect it in every way to the rest of the city
>all buses and trams fill to capacity no matter how much i send
>car flow avoiding avenues and ramming through side streets doesnt lessen
>delete all busses and trams in frustration to start over
>traffic is fine city wide
wat
Just like real life
Oh man look at the destruction wrought by government regulation
better give more power to the government
You don't "give" power to the government. If the government is weak, it's usually because of rampant corruption, rampant bureaucracy, economic failure, external threats or sheer incompetence. Not because the governed are somehow withholding power from it.
To give an example, when you get arrested in the United States, the police are legally forbidden from beating you. This is not because the government doesn't have the power to beat you. Rather, the government legislators have decided that it is in their own best interest not to allow the police to beat people, except in specific circumstances. This is the case for all legal rights. They are something the government has chosen to grant you.
If the police don't like you for some reason, they might choose to beat you anyway, and there's a chance they could get away with it. The police are part of the government apparatus, but if the government lacks the ability to hold them accountable, they're able to overstep the law they're supposed to be enforcing. The power of the police to beat suspects is something that exists because the government is unable to take it away.
You can have lax zoning regulations under a strong government, if that's what the government decides is best. Having a government so weak that it literally cannot enforce zoning regulations is usually not an ideal situation, since once you get to that point, you tend to have other problems.
>This is the case for all legal rights. They are something the government has chosen to grant you.
This is where civilian ownership of firearms comes in. Police have an interest in not beating civilians at random because police are also susceptible to bullets, same as the politicians.
In a functional democracy, it's because it's easier for the legislators to stay in power if they serve the will of the people. People who are happy will keep voting for status quo, while people who are angry are going to want change, so if the status quo is you, it should be clear where your interests should lie.
Alas, few governments can be described as functional.
>In a functional democracy, it's because it's easier for the legislators to stay in power if they serve the will of the people.
And in a functional society the people are well armed because it's easier for the people to hold the legislators accountable when they're a match for that government's loyalist military.
>when they're a match for that government's loyalist military
So, hardly ever then. How about just being a match for the security service?
I doubt the politicians care if you can withstand an open battle against the army if you can just go at a political event and shoot them in the face.
There's more beating and death by firearms in a country with civilian owning firearms (and ammo).
Whoops.
And I'm from that country everyone laugh about being ungovernable because we manifest and burn car every time a politician do anything.
But stuff that, we need to get back on topic.
IS THERE A CITY BUILDER WHERE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP IS SIMULATED?
Better, one where you can have a mafia form, take over districts, fight off your police force and even take over prisons.
>IS THERE A CITY BUILDER WHERE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP IS SIMULATED?
>Better, one where you can have a mafia form, take over districts, fight off your police force and even take over prisons.
Tropico is probably the only city builder with something like this.
Tropico 3 best in the series. 4 is also darn excellent.
>your police rating goes so low that the cartels start taking parts of the city
>cut a deal with the cartels to have them act as de facto law enforcement
>ton of money lost to corruption, but violent crime stays under control and your city's safety is fine
>also a lot of the corruption money is flowing to you, and you can spend it however you wish, when the city's legal funds are subject to oversight and usually reserved for sensible purchases
Never ever
This, but with cyberpunk megacorps, please.
Unless it has flying cars it would just be a realistic, modern day city builder, innit.
>Never ever
Your just need "Haiti cities simulator"
I think Tropico 6 literally has both these things-- you can increase firearms ownership, giving more liberty, better soldiers but more homocides, and then you can get bribes from crimelords and the criminals under them in exchange for immunity-- too bad Tropico 6 sucks
>This is the case for all legal rights. They are something the government has chosen to grant you.
Jesus. Imagine being this cucked.
I don't really understand what part of that statement you find controversial.
Laws are decided and enforced by the government. Legal rights are part of the law. Therefore, legal rights are decided and enforced by the government.
Rights don't come from the government, European.
Rights exist only insofar as they are upheld. Without a government, there are no rights. Unless you consider might a right, I guess.
But if you do, then every other right comes from whoever is strongest, which is kinda inherently still the government (if it wasn't the strongest it would lose its territory).
Read Locke.
That's the aesthetic I've been going for when playing SC4 recently.
So many giant parking lots, is this 1960s america?
More like 1980s and 1990s America.
Thanks! No ghetto yet, still working on the suburbs and farmland surrounding the city.
SOUL
do you have a ghetto?
FRICKING GRID SCRUBS
Every good scooter is just a prop and the only motorcycle has too many triangles. I'm dying.
Thoughts?
it looks exactly the same as every other game in the genre except with a gay steampunk aesthetic.
That's a nice little comfy coastal town anon.
frostpunk sans frost
I have never seen a Post-Apoc City-Builder where some focus of the game is dedicated to actually exploring and inhabiting the preexisting world. If you're gonna make a Post-Apocalyptic game why can you never search for ruins to obtain pre-collapse goods and technologies for, or just use for shelter?
Old-world buildings and skyscrapers already exist, so why not use them to restart your new society in there? Stuff like a City-Builder where you build a city using the pre-existing infrastructure of the world.
Why build a city when it's already built?
Only one that can close to that idea rn is Infection Free Zone
WE CAN"T GO BACK TO THE OLD WAYS
so what's vst take on this beaut?
He's silly
thinking about maybe trying it sometime
Alright fricked around with it. Was interested in the trains(that don't really exist) and conveyor belts but thats all endgame and until you get there its just grey+brown banished+frostpunk. at which point couldn't be assed to figure out a whole new layout for them. maybe I'm just tired and will come back later but shrug.
Points for actually having an endgame though even if the story is barely there.
Pretty much. I can't believe the devs refuse to add something as simple as some terrain elevation, but they're adding it to their new game.
which city builder has longest supply chains
anno?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/671440/Rise_of_Industry/
it's a city supplier, not a builder, but ROI has very long supply chains.
Anything past Anno is gonna be a factory builder like Factorio
Is there any mod to build a roman / neoclassical city in SC4?
Is Against the Storm good?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1336490/Against_the_Storm/
see
It's good but it's not really a city builder. It's an exploring/exploiting expedition game.
I dream of a City Builder that is purely cosmetic, but the idea is that you can interact with the city, walking around, driving vehicles, photographing places, etc., and the idea is that there is a community creating cities/regions and sharing them with players.
Does anyone know if something like this exists?
Sounds like the youtube scene for Cities Skylines
you can walk around anno 1800. theres a lot of stuff youll only see if you do too.
>Fluids are supposed to be an important part of the game
>You can't do most of the basic things with fluids because you cant remove water from the bottom of a dam without pumps
got this a couple of days ago, played on hard and realized immediately that its not a game about planning and instead its about knowing what are the first things you need to rush or its an instant game over
... almost like thats what you should plan for?
there is no planning, its just 3 instructions you need to follow to not die in the first 15 days and the game ends
sounds like a pretty important part of the plan
so whats the gist of this game? sell me on this please. I beg ya
beavers. make dams to have drinking water during droughts.
ft: vertical building(beaver Kowloon) and actual water flow mechanics.
its good but needs more endgame
>beaver Kowloon
hooori sheeet
wishlisted for sure (on gog.com since I'm not a drm gay)
>sniff-sniff
Is it just me or is tropico 6 quite boring and underwhelming? I played 4 and 5 like crazy a decade ago, 6 just feels different. I still can't get the economy to work properly, workers are anywhere but at their workplaces.
It's made by G*rmans. They turned a tongue-in-cheek political sim into another dry supply chain management economy game... a bad one
Anyone play pic related? Downloaded it last night and it's pretty cute. It's a weird mix between a casual ANNO and casual Dungeon Keeper. It's very cute and fun. The OST is quite a banger.
Oh neat. It's 3D. The art style and concept had me worried. We finally moved into the 21st century.
How do stop industries fricking disappearing in oTTD? I got an oil well that's slowly shrinking even though the station's rating is Excellent.
Frick earlier I even had a goods factory disappear even though 100% of its monthly output was shipped out.
Playing on Steam, did they frick this up recently in a patch or something?
oil wells are the only industry that naturally go away.
I was playing on a desert map though, I thought oil wells ran infinite there and were just subject to the normal ups and downs? Not that it helped those farms and factories I've seen close too, despite being serviced.
Nope. For some reason oil has a set amount per map and once it runs out it runs out.
Any soulful game reccs?
I went to check on New City since I didn't remember seeing any updates for it in a while, and oh boy. Dev apparently completely abandoned it over a year ago without ever saying a word, then randomly made the entire game open source at some point, and now spends all his time schizoposting on twitter on the company account.
Shame, it used to look promising and especially the scale looked great.
oh that's fricking hilarious, kind of upset i bought it though, assumed it was gonna be one of those projects that's great in 5 years
I've learned not to spend money on these kinds of projects until there's actually a substantial product to play. Especially single dev ones that are one psychotic episode away from getting erased from existence.
i thought he hired a team when the game sold well on steam
Well if he did it sure didn't stop this. Game's still selling on Steam btw, despite being completely abandoned.
wtf
>schizoposting on the company twitter
Sometimes it do be like that
>no comfy gnome hyperborea city builder
That's dwarf fortress for u, even has troony dwarfs
there's nothing comfy about living in a wintry place, everyone is absolutely fricking miserable until it gets warm again
winter is the comfiest time of the year
t. finn
https://community.simtropolis.com/forums/topic/763010-submenus-dll/
Simcity 4 DLL modding is wild. This one adds the ability to have sub-menus for lots so you don't spend forever scrolling through the parks menu.
And a 5th leg grafted unto the old dog, maybe this will make it prance again.
>Hopefully, in a community effort, we can update the most popular lot sets to use submenus, in no time.
I'm calling the IAMRA and an exorcist.
larger map size mod when
This should make building with NAM so much easier
Hey I'm playing Caesar 3 with Augustus, and I keep getting a bug where random buildings lose labour access even if they've had it for a decade, and every building around it has no issues, even those one tile away in every direction.
Anyone had the same issues? Any solutions?
Do cities skylines players ever get to the point where they realise that it's a traffic simulator more than a city simulator
what ps1 game is that
"traffic simulator" is the brainlet conclusion
traffic itself is not a problem, zoning/district planning is
and if you think there's just not enough to do - try scenarios. the ones from Natural Disasters are really nice challenges
It started life as a traffic simulator, same way simtower started as an elevator simulator. You can tell because it's the only aspect that has any depth to it.
but why is simtower is pure soul, while cities skylines is anti-soul
simtower is japanese
What? No it's not. Maxis was American.
Developed in Japan, published by Maxis.
Well holy goddamn
Cities in Motion is a traffic simulator.
Cities in Motion 2 is a traffic simulator.
Cities Skylines is also a traffic simulator, but you get to build the city from scratch.
This should not be a surprise. All the games in this franchise have the same basic premise of being an agent-based traffic simulator.
Which version of Simcity 4 is the best? Steam or GOG, standalone?
SimCity 3000
GOG obviously.
Cities 2 > Cities
I said it
I want to play Simcity Societies but the virus EA app keeps crashing the game. I can't stand the screeching sound the disk version makes.
Does anyone know how to get Destinations working on Win 11? The EA app and the cracked copy only sends me back to the base game that isn't even updated.
My game crashes when starting a new city after finishing one, or if my city gets too big. I think that's always been an issue
It crashes when I try to load it. I used to be able to get around that by clicking the destinations desktop shortcut since the EA app has it fricked up. But that doesn't work anymore. Do you have a destinations desktop shortcut for your cracked version?
The cracked version doesn't want to work for me now. It's a shame, people just hate the game because it's not SimCity 4
Yeah Societies is great for what it is, definitely no other city builder like it. I always sing its praises as one of the most underrated/overhated city builders.
Been playing skylines with my bro and it's a blast.
The cash intake is so slow and sometimes people just can't find the happiness even when it's right there.
Alright nevermind I got it working.
I'll never understand how I had such a hard time with the scenarios years back
I tried installing the disk version. It got louder and louder and started overheating my computer before it got to 25%. I gave up on that one.
Looking at other forums, users say that a cd copy is no longer usable because of a Windows update blocking the DRM in the disk. Only downloading a crack copy in the web is the only viable solution now.
>The cash intake is so slow
Skill Issue
>Only downloading a crack copy in the web is the only viable solution now.
They just keep pushing me to do this shit. I think I'm going to delete the EA app and never look back.
No cd hack for the exe is something I'd use even on games I didn't piate.
getting over the hump in industry/productivity where you start just mass churning out assembly plants and tenements to staff them is pure kino, along with the city instantly devolving into a piss yellow crime infested polluted mess
how is cities skylines 2 today? still shit?
It's still not great
idk what the frick is going on with it rn
seems like CO are still shitting the bed and now pdx have brought down a pr blackout
Still shit, hasn't been updated in months.
So much for "Paradox doing better that EA".
Currently playing through Tropico's campaign
>USSR development aid
>three banks with urban development
>300 dollar tenements, 400 dollar apartments
yep, its gaming time although last couple maps, I held off on getting a college up and running too long so I could never get the price low enough to spam apartments everywhere It was shack city all the way
I'm considering getting Modern Times just to have more campaign to play; but I heard it does some frickery with the DLC's replacing old buildings and not actually superseding all their old functions
What's the most recent good game with the same basic gameplay concept as Caesar? I tried C4 and I thought it was trash.
Also same question for Patrician, though maybe you guys don't count that one as a city builder.
>DING
>WHOOOO
>WHOOOO
Do you not like the newer game?
Is it any good?
How could it be bad?
By being a game that was released in the last decade.
are office building basement restaurants a thing in nippon?
Afterlife was a neat little Sim City 2000 clone, the only real problem I have with it is it just becomes an absolute clusterfrick of doodads and colors after a point.
I never managed to make the tutorial run.
What am I looking at?
Exactly anon, that's my point. What you are looking at is heaven, what each individual piece means, I'd have a harder time describing.
LGR made a video on Afterlife almost a decade ago and he went into this exact issue on how the game becomes kinda unreadable after a point.
Best city bulder?
I dunno but I got Theotown yesterday about to try it out
>Best city builder?
Unironically Tropico. I truly can never take a city builder seriously if there isn't a visible government in charge.
Urbek or Nebuchadnezzar, what's better to get on the Steam sale?
I think Nebuchanezzar.
Urbek is a rather weak game, it's more like a puzzle where each tile depends on the neighbour ones to develop, so you basically manage the space where you build things to have the correct resources and buildings that generate "synergy" with each other.
>Anno 1800
>Get to enbesa
>neediest fricking tedious shit
GO HERE NO GO HERE NOW PIXEL HUNT. PIXEL HUNT AGAIN. QUIZ. GIBMEMEAT GIBME TEA. PIXEL HUNT AGAIN. Time to remember ten billion ethnic words!
Just let me go back to decorating my city I beg you.
My town is flourishing.