Civilization 4 would be my favorite but Civilization 3 just looks so so much better. The early 3D shit in 4 is so ass.
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Civilization 4 would be my favorite but Civilization 3 just looks so so much better. The early 3D shit in 4 is so ass.
It does look better, but if you care about aesthetics go watch a painting.
Played 520 hours of Civ 4 the graphics for Civ 3 have much more charm and yes have aged better. Shitty early 2000s 3D makes me a little sick. If Civ 4 got a full remaster with better graphics, UI fix ups, and tune ups on some ideas it would be well even better (since it is the best overall civ game, I like civ 3 more).
Doesn't look terrible, but I don't like the lack of tile animations and the leaders are fricking ghoulish
It doesn't look that bad with graphics mods like blue marble and you're never looking that close anyways. 3 does look better but 4 isn't complete ass to look at.
The graphics are okay. Deathstacks however are not and the RNG completely destroys the combat
>Deathstacks however are not
If you can't deal with stacks in 4 out of all Civ games, you might be genuinely moronic. Doubly so if you come from Civ 5 background, where ranged combat is literally the only thing its playerbase is capable of using to secure victory.
Civ IV dosen't have bad graphics, its not like its 90s 3d or anything like that. But It does certainly has crows feet 17 years out.
>>t. Civ 5 baby that only plays 5
I mostly play Civ 4, but 3 was my introduction to the series and I still think it has the best aesthetic.
But I don't enjoy Civ 5, its a passive and ultimately mediocre game.
Lmao look at this pleb who can't into collateral damage
Anyone else feel like Civ3 is laggy as frick compared to Civ2?
Might be time to upgrade.
>upgrade from perfection
Lel
>t. Civ 5 baby that only plays 5
The one thing that I found always disappointing with 4 was how much worse the music got from Civ 2 and 3. Even the sound cues (hard to call them music) from SMAC were better
The worst civ flame war bait I have seen, never played 5 cause of 1 UPT.
>The worst civ flame war bait I have seen
homie, there is no bait in mentioning that statistical Civ 5 player is full of himself, insists that Vox Populi "fixed" the game and shitposts about every single other Civ, but only ever played 5 (not even 6, aka the game made for the same playerbase).
Besides, it's clear from the OP post that he played neither 4 or 3, so that gives credit to the idea he's a Civ 5 gay.
Take your meds schizo zoomer
>t. Civ 5 baby that only plays 5
my friend did that, but his laptop could only support strategy mode
That's pathetic.
Rent free
Just say SOVL bro, you know you want to.
Call it what you will.
Listen guys, can't we just enjoy ALL of the Civ games for their little eccentricities?
i really did try to enjoy 5 and 6, but no, frankly i just can't
>start game
>all lands get taken
>gets bored
>quit game
Sorry lads, but civ series are outdated "geopolitical simulators", there's nothing to do besides going to war or passing turn, the AI is a braindead checkers player that will start suicide/meaningless wars because ur score is high.
I'm with you OP, Isometric pixel/voxel art is really frickin good looking man, that shit holds up so well
I would even look at something like Diablo 2 Remastered, that looks really good as well. It's so clean yet so vivid
S0VL
This looks incredibly soulless compared to Civ4. Anon I'm sorry but it is really just Nostalgia goggles.
Civ 4 looks like trash, 3D was a mistake
>Civ 4 looks like trash, 3D was a mistake
What you prefer is clearly linked to what you played in your childhood. When I grew up it was mostly with these early 3d games like CIV4, Anno 1701, AOE3 and so on. I didn't find them ugly back then and I still don't find them ugly today.
That being said I find the graphics in your screenshot incredibly weak objectively speaking for a game from 2001. There are 2d games from that era I find charming, like Cossacks or Blitzkrieg and AOE2, but your screenshot looks lame and empty.
zoom zoom
I'm sorry that your childhood has been ruined by playing a suboptimal CIV, it seems to have turned you into an ugly reactionary person in real life.
>lame and empty.
nta, but I think you just described my biggest gripes with civ 4 (and any modern games tbh) - everything is so fricking cluttered, there are meaningless wonders rendered on the map, fricking animations slowing down combat, zoomins, zoomouts every time you try do something. Civ 3 doesnt try to overwhelm you, it just clearly conveys the information you need. And I don't even hate civ 4, I like it for the new mechanics it introduced.
I don't disagree with that, they experimented a lot with animations back then, but you can actually deactivate all of the things you mentioned right in the menu.
What the other anon have said: Civ 4 had the dignity of making those optional, rather than mandatory features.
>What you prefer is clearly linked to what you played in your childhood
Not that poster but I was 29 when Civ2 came out
So my preference for Civ3 is not just nostalgia
Civ3 has the strongest AI. Better than 2 because it expands and better than 4 because it's not gimped by bloated game mechanics
Civ 3's AI instantly shits the bed once a human player gets artillery
Weird way of spelling bombers. Because against artillery, AI is doing pretty well. Bombers, meanwhile... not so much.
Civ 3 AI is notorious for being shit I don't know what your smoking.
>t. semi-illiterate
Read his post again. Then asks yourself what's wrong with your reading comprehension.
>Lists AI as at bare minimum an explanation for his opinion
>Call him out on his reasoning
>You don't know how to read
Were you born moronic or did have to go to moron school?
So you're genuinely incapable of understanding his post. Duly noted.
Go check in dictionary what "strongest" means. Then check also "good" and "best". And compare those definitions.
You sure are trying to show off that moron degree.
But sure lets keep going with your bird brain take of someone else's post. Civ 2 AI is a lot more powerful than Civ 3 AI cause it's not fricking moronic. Expansion means jack shit as AI in Civ 5 and 6 will spam 5 million cities and still do nothing.
I guess I will just send you to
My job is done here
have you played both Civ2 and Civ3 on deity difficulty?
Civ2's AI is less of a challenge than Civ3's AI
>Expansion means jack shit
Have you played any civ earlier than Civ5?
>Zoomer gets called out
>Has a meltdown
Every time
I grew up with both 2D and 3D games as I frequently played older games when growing up. The biggest problem Civ 4 has is not that it's 3D, is that its cheap 3D that reminds me of educational 3D animation.
Did anyone else love the wild look of the terrain and try to keep your roads and mines to a bare minimum? I liked barely leaving a trace and as I conquered other civs, I would extensively demolish roads and mines and instead plant forests across the map, rewilding the world in the wake of my soldiers. Huge archipelago maps with a small number of civilizations are great for that, as well as the vibes of exploring new lands and meeting villagers/goodie huts.
>inb4 the autistic moron calls you a zoomer noob for not min-maxing tiles in a civ game
Does 5 still have the "problem" with boarders not expanding? You would be in the 21st century and there would be huge chunks of unclaimed land. Broke my immersion. Was it ever fixed in patches or mods?
The base game still had that, but Vox Populi fixes it as well as a shitton of other things. It's by far the definitive way to play Civ V.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/community-patch-how-to-install.528034/
There's a mod that speeds up border growth and another that makes regular fortresses tile bomb unclaimed lands, both on Steam
Civ 4 is the game zoomers pretend to like
Civ 3 filters them too hard so they don't even bother pretending
Every Civ other than Civ2 is pleb tier
Civ2 is it’s own category
>Rail across mountains and forests
>But not over irrigated plains and grassland
>Engineers aren't stacked
>No sign of refrigeration
>Pathetically low population in the first place
Unless those are all three AI factions, you've fricked up. And if you are the Russian player - lmao
yep
fun game
I'd suggest learning how to play it, then. Because that screen looks like someone trying to apply Civ 5 habits to Civ 2
nah, i know how to play
but if i play well game ends to soon
i used to play civ 2 on psx in my younger years
There is a difference between "playing game non-efficiently" and "I've placed my cities like a moron and then failed the tiles around them some more". You aren't making a self-appointed challenge - you have no fricking clue
... wasting time on constructing them in shitty terrain that can't even properly utilise tile upgrades (and forest outright don't benefit from roads)?
The only situation when railroad through mountains makes sense is when it's within the city limits (it isn't) and you have a mine there (also not the case). And it's still a lackluster +1 to shields then, which means you are better off turning the tile into hills or even plains, depending on if you need more shields or food.
oh frick off
be no fun ass somewhere else
>Basic familiarity with game mechanics is now autism and no fun
Cope harder over being caught jerking off to the game you never even played. Go on, make ANOTHER "muh sovl" thread, you fricking zoomers.
>Basic familiarity with game mechanics
You're sperging about minmaxing, that's beyond "basic familiarity" and firmly in autismo territory
SInce when combining two different tile upgrades, something the game tells you in a tutorial blurb, is minmaxing? Also, this is pre-Civ 5 Civ game. Meaning you either squeeze everything you can from your tiles, or you just get swarmed.
I mean Civ, the original deal, the board game, was a worker placement game, and you are complaining about minmaxing. Do you go to a yacht dealership complaining that they only sell boats?
no but I would complain if some autistic frick tried to sell me some specific boat that i don't like
Too bad you asked for the boat selling pitch first
no anon
I just showed you boat that i sometimes sail
Anon, you are arguing with a zoomer that is butthurt, for his (in)ability to play the game has been called out. No matter how much of a scrub he is, he will now double down on every attempt to insist that everyone but him is an autistic min-maxed that doesn't know what fun is, rather than using the fact he's on an anonymous internet imageboard and simply "disappear"
>t. no fun moron
t. autismo
>anyone better at a game than I am is autistic
you have to go back, casuals
Wrong board
good post
Been a while since I played 2. What's wrong with putting rails on forests and mountains again?
Sid Meier actually agreed with this but the Pirates remake changed his mind on 3D. That’s what he said in his book anyways.
Otherwise Civ 4 very likely would have been 2D.
>Otherwise Civ 4 very likely would have been 2D.
>500 turns into a C2C game with 16 civs
>crashes every 15 turns
Map size & starting era?
It's not the number of civs that matters, but your world
Gigantic and prehistoric.
One time I ran a game with civs forming out of barbarian cities and the game ran like shit before classical.
>Gigantic
>Prehistoric
>Only 16 civs
Oh, it's easy then. It's the sheer number of wild animals that the game has to keep track of, since you have disproportionally large world vs. the area within anyone's border, thus putting animal spawn into an overdrive. There are two solutions to this now. Either
- start a new map, adding more civs/decreasing world size a notch; or just start in ancient, rather than prehistoric
- open cheat menu and MANUALLY decrease the number of animals that are currently on map
The second option is a short-term one, with the hopes that before the animal stacks will regrow, you will be able to cover larger areas with borders of any given civ and thus decrease their spawn.
There is theoretically an option to decrease animal spawn, but it's a binary setting: either you have animals, or you don't, and if you don't the game is eventually FAR harder (since you have everything related to the animals disabled due to lack of the input units).
I'm going to try 16 civs on a standard-sized map with old world start to see if things improve. Only thing perfectworld giving me awful map gen with spaghetti continents and giant artic islands...
I would use worldbuilder to remove animal spawns if there wasn't a glitch which kept the world reveal in the minimap after exiting it. Maybe that was an uncommon occurence since it never happens when I edit the map on turn 1.
>I would use worldbuilder to remove animal spawns if there wasn't a glitch which kept the world reveal in the minimap after exiting it.
It disappears back behind the FOW after you pass a turn.
disable barb cities can become civs
>smaller world size
>few number of animals
check
are there other things I can do to minimize crashes and lag in C2C?
I've already figured out that the raging hordes setting wipes out the AI
Love the mod though
>disable barb cities can become civs
Yeah I know that. I didn't like how barb city-generated civs were getting free unique units despite them being the wrong culture group ,Coyote runners and jade axemen being some of the units they got, so I turned it off besides.
Turn off combat animations if you didn't already. Doesn't seem like an issue early on, but you should rid yourself of this ASAP, since this is also a resource hog. It speeds up the game two-fold: less resources wasted and obviously not spending 10 minutes per turn watching those animations.
I only ever played Civization III and have done so on and off for the last 20 years. Couldn't get into any sequels due to how ugly they were compared to the beauty and "optimistic 90s museum"-like atmosphere of Civilization III. Just such a great experience playing that. Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri holds a similar place in my heart, from a time when computers and gaming were still an unfolding source of wonder and the internet a distant place rather than an ever-present layer on reality. What was your favorite included "CivContent" in the complete edition? I loved dinobarbs a lot as a kid for the medieval start and titular dinosaur barbarian hordes. Trying Escape From Zombie Island soon.
Civ 4 is the best but full 2d or full 3d looks many times better than the wish wash graphics of 4.
I'll never understand what some morons see in 4. Maybe it's just that, a game for morons.
Better question - how do you force Civ3 work properly on modern systems beyond "keepres = 1" since all it does is just runs it in a window without ability to scale
OP here. I changed my mind civ 4 looks and plays better.
Get a terrain texture replacer or a mod which has one built-in for more natural aesthetics.