The only time I've been a big enough homosexual to play a fantasy gunslinger character was a big orc slave that hauled around the cannon he stole from his slave ship.
Well that's because the best firearm in PF2e is a pistol, all the other ones are garbage flintlocks that you have to reload between each shot, the harmonica gun has a clip so you don't have to waste time reloading between shots. And yes, it's a clip, not a magazine, pic fricking related. I'd actually like PF2e's gunslinger if the firearm selection at least offered revolvers and lever guns.
>bitches about clips and mags
Nobody who shoots guns cares what you call it
>Class: Gunslinger >Named after a Hollywood term which was coined long after the historical period the films are set in >A historical term from that period meaning a similar thing did exist >Not called Shootist
Still, no one is going to use "Shootist"
Yee-haw, wienersuckers.
Pistols are cool. Cowboys are cool. I don't really play pathfinder but if i did it'd either be as a gunslinger or a monk with one of their cool archetypes.
Ps in a vampire the requiem game a game of thrones game a call of cthulhu game and a deadlands game
Very nice. Internet tells me less than 1000 made so the rarest of all S&W firearms.
Does anyone have any info on the cartridge? Everything I've found has been for S&W .32 or S&W .32 Long with only one picture that might have been the side of a S&W .32 R but it was small and very low quality. Might have been an about 1.4" long cartridge, so 0.5" longer than .32 L, and 1.7" total, also about 0.5" longer than the Long but it would be nice to see a better image and some actual cartridge measurements.
When I was a kid, I had one of those keychain cap guns. Now I want to make a pf1e character that uses the cap gun just to refill grit and pistol-whips enemies to death with his tiny, tiny fake gun. I'll also take feats to use the keychain part for trip attacks.
ill do whatever i want you punkass b***hass dumbass gayass uglyass motherfricker, ill take all the small guns up and around this place and pump you so full of lead they'll call you a michigan delicacy you piece of shit, ill tell you what no one will do, and that is yourself you negative charisma troll looking biiiitch
>release a fricking cool as hell stylish trailer about wizard gunslingers >immediately deflate any and all excitement by revealing it's just a lazy Don't Starve clone
Well that's because the best firearm in PF2e is a pistol, all the other ones are garbage flintlocks that you have to reload between each shot, the harmonica gun has a clip so you don't have to waste time reloading between shots. And yes, it's a clip, not a magazine, pic fricking related. I'd actually like PF2e's gunslinger if the firearm selection at least offered revolvers and lever guns.
That's why it should just be Gunner, so that it represents a specialization with many types of firearms, and your Path/Subclass/Archetype/purchased powers/Whatever the system has should represent your specialization within that wider group.
Should have been called muskateer, and also gave bonuses crossbows and lightweapons in addition to guns
Frick that, ranger and fighter can have crossbows and light weapons. More TTRPGs need dedicated firearm options, and especially more fantasy ones. Need to finally break the stale worn mold that Tolkein made with his books and let fantasy mean more than "elf/dwarf/hobbit/human wizards and warriors".
Tolkienesque fantasy is cliche, boring, dull, unimaginative, and rote. Nobody thinks being an elf killing orcs is entertaining anymore. They want to play Dolemwood, not The Two Towers.
considering the make-up of the market you are mostly wrong.
Tolkien-esque fantasy is still king, and whatever other shit your talking about is just one of the niche branching paths.
its cool if you like it, but it doesnt mean everyone else does
4 months ago
Anonymous
You have revealed yourself as an ideological slave with no thoughts in your heart or worthwhile opinions to share. The content of "the market" is an irrational thing decided by risk-adverse and usually wildly ignorant executives who are depending on woo and personal biases to make their choices; the public is buying based on price, familiarity, product accessibility, and their own personal susceptibility to the crude mind control we call advertisement. None of it has frick all even remotely to do with originality of idea, creativity of content, or even the basic appeal of the product to a readership. You are an idiot.
That's why it should just be Gunner, so that it represents a specialization with many types of firearms, and your Path/Subclass/Archetype/purchased powers/Whatever the system has should represent your specialization within that wider group.
You have revealed yourself as an ideological slave with no thoughts in your heart or worthwhile opinions to share. The content of "the market" is an irrational thing decided by risk-adverse and usually wildly ignorant executives who are depending on woo and personal biases to make their choices; the public is buying based on price, familiarity, product accessibility, and their own personal susceptibility to the crude mind control we call advertisement. None of it has frick all even remotely to do with originality of idea, creativity of content, or even the basic appeal of the product to a readership. You are an idiot.
Frick that, ranger and fighter can have crossbows and light weapons. More TTRPGs need dedicated firearm options, and especially more fantasy ones. Need to finally break the stale worn mold that Tolkein made with his books and let fantasy mean more than "elf/dwarf/hobbit/human wizards and warriors".
You might enjoy WFRP (2nd or 4th), or perhaps something like Honor + Intrigue.
>Either she just shot them out
I thought revolver users had to manually eject the casings with the little spring and bar under the barrel.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Unless it's the old cap and ball style of revolver.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bullets don't normally sit flush with the end of the cylinder else a bullet which wasn't fully seated in its case would hit the frame and stop the cylinder rotating.
That leads to me thinking that the anon means that in such an overall dark part of the picture there's not enough light bouncing around in the chamber to hit the edge of the spent casing recessed 1 cm or more inside.
That would make sense, except the cylinder rotates counterclockwise
>the cylinder rotates counterclockwise
The placement and shape of the cylinder stop show that that cylinder revolves clockwise (which would be typical for a Colt).
A skilled enough shooter, like a gunslinger should be, should be able to kill with a single shot from a .22. Don’t let bullet size fool you, it’s still hot lead going at the speed of sound and even a small caliber from a small gun can frick you up tremendously.
An arrow through the eye or knife to the throat are about equally as deadly. Nobody cares about the "BUT BULLETS SHOULD KILL IN ONE HIT" bullshit, there's a billion and one ways to kill a human with literally anything if enough force is applied to the right spot.
Combat rolls are an abstraction, it's on you and your DM to fluff out how the gunshot didn't kill instantly.
>one immortal soul for seven piffling bullets, one of which isn't even yours and which the devil can and will use to screw you out of any gains you might've made with the other six
I like how gunslinger class is subverted in Deadlands. They suck at everything EXCEPT gunfights and even then they can't handle New Science. And main enemies of the setting are different monsters.
Being a guy with a gun isn't as good as being a guy with card magic, divine blessing, kung fu magic, undeath superpowers, voodoo hoodo or talent for building impossible engines of destruction. Sad truth of life. Not to mention there are magical gunslingers who can do everything gunslingers can plus more and they aren't useless once something bulletproof shows up.
D&D has had cowboys since Murlynd became the hero-god of technology and in-game ambassador for their Boot Hill system. All TTRPGs are just the same games of pretend with different rules.
>gunslinger >90% of class abilities are just trying to cope with how awful the core firearms mechanics are
why are korean mmos the only games that understand a gunslinger class is supposed to be about emulating dubs guy in equilibrium?
Because they're the only ones who can get it so wrong and survive the bad press.
Gunslinger is supposed to be:
Wild Bill, Pat Garrett, the Mastersons, the Earps, Annie Oakley, Billy the Kid, Pancho Villa, Jesse James, Doc Holliday, Pistol Pete, Jelly Bryce, Bob Munden,
the Lone Ranger, John Marston, Hopalong Cassidy, Lee, Chris Adams, the Man With no Name,
Judge Dredd, the Punisher, Robocop, Han Solo, Boba Fett, Max Payne.
These guys evoke feelings of awe or romanticism or fear and they're interesting.
The only thing the have in common with John Preston is that a lot of them are willing to shoot first and ask questions later. That guy was trained to slavishly follow rote gun kata to "shoot in the most statistically like place that opponents are going to be" or something. That's more robotic than Robocop and way less interesting than any real gunslinger.
>when lethality is high enough.
This is not a problem. The problem is players who are used to the fact that a high amount of HP will save them in any situation. And to the fact that most systems do not require you to have high reflexes and always act first.
>that most systems do not require you to have high reflexes and always act first.
that's only because everything has so much hp that it ostensibly won't die in one round of being attacked.
>basic gunslinger is a western cowboy >mid-level gunslinger is a modern soldier with some extra frills >high-level gunslinger is Titus Spacemarine >topdecked max gunslinger is basically Doomguy minus his sword because magic swords are the fighter's domain
With that, I propose that as a gunslinger becomes stronger, the number and power of his guns increases, as do the ways in which he can wield them and the things that serve as accompaniments to the guns.
The only time I've been a big enough homosexual to play a fantasy gunslinger character was a big orc slave that hauled around the cannon he stole from his slave ship.
>Class is called Gunslinger
>don't sling guns as it's main feature
>not slanging guns from here to the rio grande
ngmi frfr
>Class is called Gunslinger
>character summons them only temporarily
But it's so cool though.
Im diamonds
Kys yourself
>bitches about clips and mags
Nobody who shoots guns cares what you call it
OH SHIT GUYS GET D
>Nobody who shoots guns cares what you call it
You're absolutely wrong.
Underrated
>class is called gunslinger
>doesn't ling gunses as its main feature
>Class: Gunslinger
>Named after a Hollywood term which was coined long after the historical period the films are set in
>A historical term from that period meaning a similar thing did exist
>Not called Shootist
Still, no one is going to use "Shootist"
Yee-haw, wienersuckers.
>coined long after the historical period the films are set in
Wild West period ended: 1912
Gun-slinger first used: 1916
That's pretty big for a handgun actually.
>he thinks he can sling a rifle around
lmao
He who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
>implying guns work on me
9mm kills the body but 45 acp kills the soul
Not if I shoot you first.
>Called Gunslinger
>guns don't even have slings
Pistols are cool. Cowboys are cool. I don't really play pathfinder but if i did it'd either be as a gunslinger or a monk with one of their cool archetypes.
Ps in a vampire the requiem game a game of thrones game a call of cthulhu game and a deadlands game
They don't call it a Big Iron for nothing.
Very nice. Internet tells me less than 1000 made so the rarest of all S&W firearms.
Does anyone have any info on the cartridge? Everything I've found has been for S&W .32 or S&W .32 Long with only one picture that might have been the side of a S&W .32 R but it was small and very low quality. Might have been an about 1.4" long cartridge, so 0.5" longer than .32 L, and 1.7" total, also about 0.5" longer than the Long but it would be nice to see a better image and some actual cartridge measurements.
When I was a kid, I had one of those keychain cap guns. Now I want to make a pf1e character that uses the cap gun just to refill grit and pistol-whips enemies to death with his tiny, tiny fake gun. I'll also take feats to use the keychain part for trip attacks.
>refill grit
Lmao what a fricking horrible game
>>Uses the smallest gun possible
I mean when I imagine a "gunslinger" I imagine them using two pistols. Easier to do trick shots, faster to aim, looks cooler...
I recently shot a 1911 .45 and was surprised that it had almost no recoil.
1911s are very smooth shooters, it's part of why they've remained popular handguns despite being fairly technologically archaic.
the size dont matter sonny is how you it
Could such swap actually fire without falling apart?
ask /k/ i'm still waiting for that same answer
No.
Considering those absolutely will not fire, no.
Of course not you doofuses
>seemlessly alternates between two pistols, an ether gun, and a shotgun
UNRIVALED
Unbelievably based and Ethos-pilled.
Wels HATE him. See how he exterminated thousands of Wels with this one easy trick.
>Gunslinger
>doesnt launch the gun at his opponents
lol, lmao even.
ill do whatever i want you punkass b***hass dumbass gayass uglyass motherfricker, ill take all the small guns up and around this place and pump you so full of lead they'll call you a michigan delicacy you piece of shit, ill tell you what no one will do, and that is yourself you negative charisma troll looking biiiitch
Nope, I choose wizard with a gun.
What a let down this game was. Can't belive it took longer than one week to develop
>release a fricking cool as hell stylish trailer about wizard gunslingers
>immediately deflate any and all excitement by revealing it's just a lazy Don't Starve clone
>gunslinger
>doesn't shoot greatswords at enemies with a sling
Well that's because the best firearm in PF2e is a pistol, all the other ones are garbage flintlocks that you have to reload between each shot, the harmonica gun has a clip so you don't have to waste time reloading between shots. And yes, it's a clip, not a magazine, pic fricking related. I'd actually like PF2e's gunslinger if the firearm selection at least offered revolvers and lever guns.
Should have been called muskateer, and also gave bonuses crossbows and lightweapons in addition to guns
Frick that, ranger and fighter can have crossbows and light weapons. More TTRPGs need dedicated firearm options, and especially more fantasy ones. Need to finally break the stale worn mold that Tolkein made with his books and let fantasy mean more than "elf/dwarf/hobbit/human wizards and warriors".
>musketeers
>Tolkien
Nobody has out done him
Tolkienesque fantasy is cliche, boring, dull, unimaginative, and rote. Nobody thinks being an elf killing orcs is entertaining anymore. They want to play Dolemwood, not The Two Towers.
considering the make-up of the market you are mostly wrong.
Tolkien-esque fantasy is still king, and whatever other shit your talking about is just one of the niche branching paths.
its cool if you like it, but it doesnt mean everyone else does
You have revealed yourself as an ideological slave with no thoughts in your heart or worthwhile opinions to share. The content of "the market" is an irrational thing decided by risk-adverse and usually wildly ignorant executives who are depending on woo and personal biases to make their choices; the public is buying based on price, familiarity, product accessibility, and their own personal susceptibility to the crude mind control we call advertisement. None of it has frick all even remotely to do with originality of idea, creativity of content, or even the basic appeal of the product to a readership. You are an idiot.
REH did years before The Hobbit was even published.
The class is called gunslinger, not machinegunner or fire supporter
That's why it should just be Gunner, so that it represents a specialization with many types of firearms, and your Path/Subclass/Archetype/purchased powers/Whatever the system has should represent your specialization within that wider group.
>Class: Fighter
>Everyone else fights just as well as them
Unironically this. Classes should have names that aren't also common descriptors of people in general.
Have you tried not playing D&D?
Why would I make a gunslinger class and not just give the existing classes the use of firearms and options to make them interesting?
This, or rather, why would I not just design the rules for firearms to take advantage of the options classes already have?
Because people want to play a gunslinger class and not X but with a Gunslinger build
Why didn't she load these two chambers?
(you)
I accept your concession.
She shot them dry already.
You might enjoy WFRP (2nd or 4th), or perhaps something like Honor + Intrigue.
That would make sense, except the cylinder rotates counterclockwise
Don't see how that makes a difference. Either she just shot them out, or shot them out earlier and is on her last cylinder.
Well she looks dumb!
>Either she just shot them out
I thought revolver users had to manually eject the casings with the little spring and bar under the barrel.
Unless it's the old cap and ball style of revolver.
Bullets don't normally sit flush with the end of the cylinder else a bullet which wasn't fully seated in its case would hit the frame and stop the cylinder rotating.
That leads to me thinking that the anon means that in such an overall dark part of the picture there's not enough light bouncing around in the chamber to hit the edge of the spent casing recessed 1 cm or more inside.
>the cylinder rotates counterclockwise
The placement and shape of the cylinder stop show that that cylinder revolves clockwise (which would be typical for a Colt).
>Class: Gunslinger
>Player Character IS the gun.
You guys do this right?
>Not using Axel
How do you expect to do your duties to the Line of Eld without your badges of office?
A skilled enough shooter, like a gunslinger should be, should be able to kill with a single shot from a .22. Don’t let bullet size fool you, it’s still hot lead going at the speed of sound and even a small caliber from a small gun can frick you up tremendously.
That's for a human. For a huge tortilla monster .22 just wont suffice.
An arrow through the eye or knife to the throat are about equally as deadly. Nobody cares about the "BUT BULLETS SHOULD KILL IN ONE HIT" bullshit, there's a billion and one ways to kill a human with literally anything if enough force is applied to the right spot.
Combat rolls are an abstraction, it's on you and your DM to fluff out how the gunshot didn't kill instantly.
For me, it's magic bullets enchanted by the Devil.
>one immortal soul for seven piffling bullets, one of which isn't even yours and which the devil can and will use to screw you out of any gains you might've made with the other six
Such is the bad decision making of a man that really wants to coom. You can dicker with the Devil better than that, he didn't even really try.
Worst character in the series
>Worst character in the series
That's not Tubalcain Alhambra or Zorin Blitz
I'm not gonna repeat myself
Honestly it's probably the pointless werewolf.
I like how gunslinger class is subverted in Deadlands. They suck at everything EXCEPT gunfights and even then they can't handle New Science. And main enemies of the setting are different monsters.
>suck at everything EXCEPT gunfights and even then they can't handle New Science
How is that a subversion?
That gunslingers suck?
That's an argument to avoid Deadlands if I've ever heard one.
Being a guy with a gun isn't as good as being a guy with card magic, divine blessing, kung fu magic, undeath superpowers, voodoo hoodo or talent for building impossible engines of destruction. Sad truth of life. Not to mention there are magical gunslingers who can do everything gunslingers can plus more and they aren't useless once something bulletproof shows up.
Sounds like D&D but with cowboys.
D&D has had cowboys since Murlynd became the hero-god of technology and in-game ambassador for their Boot Hill system. All TTRPGs are just the same games of pretend with different rules.
>He's never played a Hexslinger with two enchanted Gatling Pistols
NGMI
>class: gunslinger
>doesn't physically hurl rifle-spears with bayonets affixed
>Ignores your ignorance
>Plays "Big Iron" by Marty Robbins
>Loads six shooter
>Refuses to elaborate further
>Leaves
>Big iron
>LC .45
The gunslinger class is defined by using revolvers. Larger guns belong to riflemen, snipers, and dragoons.
>tfw no GURPS play-by-play of fight at the beginning of the first book where he kills an entire town, and it has more text than the entire book
Of fricking course I do.
They're magic pistols though.
>gunslinger
>90% of class abilities are just trying to cope with how awful the core firearms mechanics are
why are korean mmos the only games that understand a gunslinger class is supposed to be about emulating dubs guy in equilibrium?
Because they're the only ones who can get it so wrong and survive the bad press.
Gunslinger is supposed to be:
Wild Bill, Pat Garrett, the Mastersons, the Earps, Annie Oakley, Billy the Kid, Pancho Villa, Jesse James, Doc Holliday, Pistol Pete, Jelly Bryce, Bob Munden,
the Lone Ranger, John Marston, Hopalong Cassidy, Lee, Chris Adams, the Man With no Name,
Judge Dredd, the Punisher, Robocop, Han Solo, Boba Fett, Max Payne.
These guys evoke feelings of awe or romanticism or fear and they're interesting.
The only thing the have in common with John Preston is that a lot of them are willing to shoot first and ask questions later. That guy was trained to slavishly follow rote gun kata to "shoot in the most statistically like place that opponents are going to be" or something. That's more robotic than Robocop and way less interesting than any real gunslinger.
most games are terrible for that kind of character. they only work when lethality is high enough.
>when lethality is high enough.
This is not a problem. The problem is players who are used to the fact that a high amount of HP will save them in any situation. And to the fact that most systems do not require you to have high reflexes and always act first.
>that most systems do not require you to have high reflexes and always act first.
that's only because everything has so much hp that it ostensibly won't die in one round of being attacked.
I mean concealable weapons tend to be pretty small so naturally gunslingers would use small weapons.
>basic gunslinger is a western cowboy
>mid-level gunslinger is a modern soldier with some extra frills
>high-level gunslinger is Titus Spacemarine
>topdecked max gunslinger is basically Doomguy minus his sword because magic swords are the fighter's domain
With that, I propose that as a gunslinger becomes stronger, the number and power of his guns increases, as do the ways in which he can wield them and the things that serve as accompaniments to the guns.
>as a gunslinger becomes stronger, the number and power of his guns increases
Ah yes, the Liefeld method.
At least post the full PDF
>You mean a MAGIC GUN?!
No, I mean magic pistols.