>consoles require you to pay a subscription to use your own internet >consoles are pieces of hardware that are like 10 years out of date by the time they launch >there aren't even any exclusive games on them anymore >the ones that are exclusive get inevitable PC ports >the PC can either play or emulate every current game
Current console gaming is a charade and the jig will be up in 1-2 more generations
Gpu prices go up linearly with performance increases. The market simply can't sustain itself on the pc model where in 1-2 generations the cheapest new gpu can't be had for under a grand. Consoles are more important now than ever.
>(insufferable reddit spacing) >(moronic opinion) >"You outed yourself as a zoomer."
I'm in my 30s, moron. I'm not some graphics gay either, I'm just telling it like it is. Consoles are currently what is holding gaming back (aside from woke agendas)
The entire second half of Cyberpunk 2077 development was spent on trying to make it work on consoles (they failed in the end)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, that is one game. One game is not the entirety of gaming now, is it? How are consoles holding back gaming? Not holding back a game (Cyberpunk), but the gaming industry and game development.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Cyberpunk 2077 was literally THE game though
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most FPS shooters implement in-game aim hacks for controllers, because console homosexuals got mad that they got trashed by PC players, resulting in games being more about how proficient you are at beating and using the aim assist, not being more skilled than a player at an FPS.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
pc cucks just have no good exclusive shooters and play cod and fortnite now lmao
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
no one ever asked for crossplay with k&m users. funnily enough, aiming with your entire arm allows for greater precision than with a thumb
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>talks about skill >conveniently forgets his $10k rig >screams cheating when a poorgay from a rural area playing on a PS4/CRT still kills him in Fortnite
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Being unable to meet performance targets is the devs fault not the consoles. They didn't need to try and make a ps4 version, but they did because they wanted the playerbase. If consoles didn't exist then literally the exact same thing would happen with a shitty old gpus instead. You'd be blaming the 1060 and 1650 for "holding devs back" because they want a higher base to pull from and then we are back at square one except with a more fragmented baseline to work from.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You'd be blaming the 1060 and 1650 for "holding devs back"
Nope, I would have to blame the fricking 760 because that card was released when PS4 was released. Of course that would never happen, because nobody who'd play Cyberpunk used that card in 2020.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your inability to comprehend a simple post is fascinating.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your ability to be moronic is even more fascinating.
Insinuating that I would blame 1060 for a shitty performance when in reality 1060 was 4 times more powerful than base PS4 which in my example did hold Cyberpunk back. I wouldn't have a problem if MS and Sony went "frick base Xbox1/PS4, new games only work on Pro versions from now on", but that never is going to happen, so devs need to waste time optimising for 7+ year old hardware.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So if raw performance being better than a ps4 is all that matters then the PS5 isn't holding back gaming and consoles are fine now. Nice talk, homosexual.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>now
It's cute how you simply ignored the fact, that every single fricking game up until maybe a year ago was made for PS4 / Xbox One still? Yes, games that came out 1 / 2 years ago STILL needed to work on a 10 year old hardware.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They didn't need to try and make a ps4 version, but they did because they wanted the playerbase.
Nope. Very much didn't ignore shit. You were just too much of a moron to understand a simple post.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no u
Your argument was that devs would be held back by 760s in 2020 if consoles didn't exist. You kinda tried to make it sound less moronic by pretending that a PS4 is equal to a fricking 1060, but unfortunately that didn't work out for you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Devs don't need to make games for the ps4. They do so because they want the higher playerbase. If they are holding themselves back to target a higher playerbase then that means they need to target 1060s and 1650s instead of 4080s. Nowhere did I ever bring up a 760 you did because you're a fricking subhuman moron.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And what I'm trying to drill into your fricking moronic peanut of a brain is that if consoles didn't exist, they wouldn't have to cater to a higher player base that sits on 10+ year-old hardware, because everyone would have at most 5-year-old hardware and the minority that would have 5+ year-old hardware could probably still play games that cater to 5-year-old hardware with mods / special options. That's why I wouldn't have a problem if MS and Sony ditched the base models of their consoles and focused on the Pro versions. Unfortunately, devs that would develop for for only Pro versions are literally forced to make versions for base models, even if they don't want to.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So consoles aren't a problem to you. It's that they last longer than 5 years. God what an arbitrary little shit you are.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's that they last longer than 5 years. God what an arbitrary little shit you are.
What the frick do you think "holding back" means? Yes, the problem is that you can't do new cool shit if you need to accommodate 3rd worlders with 10+ year old hardware (even you don't want to). How is that so hard to understand? >inb4 they don't need to if they don't want to lol
Can a game be created for PC, PS5 and PS4 Pro only? No it fricking can't. So if you want to sell it on PS4 Pro, well sucks to be you, you need to make it work for a base PS4.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hmmm, but I thought that if consoles didn't exist people would jump at the opportunity to just upgrade to the latest thing and not use 5 year old hardware? Isn't the ps4 pro older than 5 years? Why don't they have ps5s? Mystery upon mystery.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>because everyone would have at most 5-year-old hardware
You are assuming everyone would replace their GPUs on the regular instead of not playing the games they can't run. Most of the PC users are poorgays, steam survey proves this. Especially with the Deck in mind. What is most likely that without consoles anyone who wants to sell for a large userbase would simply hold themselves back and still target the 1660. >if MS and Sony ditched the base models of their consoles and focused on the Pro versions
Just because you raise the bottom line it doesn't change anything. You would still complain those aren't 4090s. Look at this gen, all the experts said the CPUs will be good enough now and what did it result in? Even more bloated shit graphics engines tanking the performance for minimal gains.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What is most likely that without consoles anyone who wants to sell for a large userbase would simply hold themselves back and still target the 1660.
Would you rather them target 1660 (2019, 4,4 TFLOPS), or base PS4 (2013, 1,84 TFLOPS)? >Just because you raise the bottom line it doesn't change anything.
Yes, it fricking does. There is a difference between 10 year old hardware and year old hardware. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.
Hmmm, but I thought that if consoles didn't exist people would jump at the opportunity to just upgrade to the latest thing and not use 5 year old hardware? Isn't the ps4 pro older than 5 years? Why don't they have ps5s? Mystery upon mystery.
>but I thought that if consoles didn't exist people would jump at the opportunity to just upgrade to the latest thing and not use 5 year old hardware?
I'm not responsible for the voices in your head.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pls not the TFlops, it is such a meaningless number. Did people forgot about scalability and optimization? There are a bunch of PS4 and XBO games that are still jaw dropping. We are playing the exact same shitty games, no advancement happened in the new generation. The same open world shit, the same walking sim shit. Only RT changes anything and it absolutely tanks performance it return. Just to enable development teams to not hire lighting artists. Don't even get me begin on upscaling, gone the sharp games of old. This is what you get for pushing big numbers hardware instead of software development.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So if consoles didn't exist and people don't just blindly upgrade, then what's stopping the hoard of ps4 owners from just sticking to 10 year old cheap hardware like they have been doing and financially pressuring devs to cater to them just the same as it is now?
>and the Xbox Series S forces them to do so.
Except it doesn't, as proven by the shit PC ports. The very fact that you need DLSS and other coping mechanisms proves the Series S isn't doing shit for actual optimizations.
How would consoles going away change the fact that gaming, much like any business, sacrifices quality for profit meaning any advancements in computing power will be utilised solely to streamline the work process for lower skilled, cheaper labour outputting poorly optimised games rather than creating better product? How would consoles going away change the fact that you need to take out a mortgage if you want to buy a modern GPU?
>No. Consoles are currently what is holding games back. It's a charade that shouldn't exist
They always did, does no one remember that Halo destroyed fps as a genre for almost 15 years?
you realise consoles also run on the same gpus, right? unless you somehow believe that consoles are going to start selling you products for <500, ideally <300, but that cost them over a grand to make because of the gpu prices that affect them just the same, because that's never going to happen
the reality is developers are going to have to band together or lawsuit the shit out of gpu manufacturers to reduce prices otherwise the entire industry just dies, period, because if nobody can play games then nobody is going to buy games.
or they develop products from now on that run on like 2070s or 3060s and continue to build for that exact hardware forever so that they can continue actually selling games to anyone
>The market simply can't sustain itself on the pc model where in 1-2 generations the cheapest new gpu can't be had for under a grand
The frick are you talking about? 4k native ready gpus are under 1k.
>No, like, 4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k
Yeah maybe in switch ports and indie games. AAA games won't get close to that without turning on upscaling. Native is dead.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
how delusional snoydrone subhumans like you can get? Enjoy your 720p blurry garbage snoyslop with fake frames
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
You're right. If you suck down enough liquor and then squint really hard 23 does in fact look like 60.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
your shitboxes are physically incapable of running games at that resolution on ultra settings
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
So are 1000 dorra gpus it seems.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
20 FPS > 0 FPS
But no one needs 4k ultra anyways 1080p high settings is completely fine which consoles still struggle with
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
> 1080p high settings is completely fine
There it is anon i'm glad we finally got there - using a 15 year old resolution consoles have been running for the last 8.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
20 FPS > 0 FPS
But no one needs 4k ultra anyways 1080p high settings is completely fine which consoles still struggle with
you're backpedaling like a dog with his tail between his legs. This is the original statement you're replying to, by the way
No, like, 4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k and costs around 750$ if you're in eu, probably less in us
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
they are capable of 4k/60FPS but not ultra you dumbass
> 1080p high settings is completely fine
There it is anon i'm glad we finally got there - using a 15 year old resolution consoles have been running for the last 8.
read the second half of my post you illiterate moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>read the second half of my post you illiterate moron
I did and it was just full of lies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I did and it was just full of lies.
I can taste your snoydrone tears from coping
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
lol based 970 user, you gott'em good
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I have a 3060RTX, I can run any unoptimized modern AAA slop at 60+FPS
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
With dlss on performance maybe and certainly only at 1080p (with previously mentioned dlss on). You have a machine less powerful than the PS5 lol and are coping pretty poorly it seems
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You have a machine less powerful than the ps5
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You have a machine less powerful than the PS5 lol
snoydrones are as delusional as ever, I have a 13th generation CPU which is the real bottleneck nowadays
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Black person your example is quite literally some unoptimized fotd slop that only has AVERAGE 60fps with the most powerful gpu available. Check actual real games that people play.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Check actual real games that people play.
Such as?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fortnite and CS2.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>modern triple A
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Those games have more As in them than any triple A sloppa that doesn't generate even 1/10th of the profit. Cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I accept your reluctant concession. gg, ez
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
If your dogshit troony "high graphical fidelity" games do not generate the profit of real AAA games such as Fortnite and CS2, they're not AAA games. Cope.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Fortnite is a troony game
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are your dogshit troony "high graphical fidelity games" incapable of competing with AAA games?
>4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k
LMAO that card is only like 50% stronger than my 3070 that struggles doing 60 fps at 1440p without raytracing and maxed out graphics.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop playing slop then.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>already brings out the copium
There's 0 need for a high end machine if all you are playing is indie trash. Even a Switch can run that garbage.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I play poorly made shit and can't get good frames
Be serious.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
A Switch can get good frames on all the indie garbage you consider non slop.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Actually, no.
Many indies run like crap on the Switch for various reasons. It's not for lack of processing power, it's because the ports of indie games simply aren't good enough, probably because the guys lack the budget to really get to know the hardware and make a proper port.
In fact, the Switch in general is a console where performance will suffer in most of the games you play. Games like Diablo 3 where you'll have a near-perfect experience 99% of the time are the exception rather than the norm.
gpus arent really as important as the industry wants to sell them as. bad game performance is mostly from bad code. cyberpunk 2077 was written in a script apple created to make apps on iphones because polish people are moronic. buy all the gpus you want, they wont fix that.
>Nvidia is charging $7000000000000 for a 6050 >You can still play literally every fricking game worth playing on a AMD somefricking numbers G ryzen cpu
Dedicated GPUs are dead if you aren't doing render shit or crunching thousands of stolen forums to make your computer pretend to be a person (poorly)
Consoles are only important when they don't run the same architecture as a PC
going X86 makes developing easy as frick because you just need a PC for most of the development and a devkit for certification
That means lazy as hacks can publish games as we saw with the PS4 and the PS5 when a bunch of steam asset flips got ported to it and sony had to do something to clean their online store
It also means that way, way less optimization has to happen
Look at the PS4, what is the best looking game on it? The Spiderman game perhaps? ok
Now look at the PS3, the best looking game on it was the first The Last of Us
Call me a madman, but TLoU running on the PS3 and looking as good as it did, was a much harder job than getting Spiderman to run and look good on the PS4
Why? well have you look at the PS3's specs recently? No? well it has a PPC CPU with 1 Core and 8 SPUs (lesser cores, and one of those is disabled to make the chip less expensive) that is paired to what is essentially an Nvidea 7200 with 256mb of Vram
To make anything looking that good on it was probably a fricking ordeal
>Buys a Deck
GPU prices can't go up forever since there will come a point where Nvidia and AMD literally price themselves out of their own market (which is why Nvidia has been balls deep in crypto and now AI).
Valve has unironically managed to reach an equilibrium where their hardware is cheap enough, easy too use enough and tinker friendly enough to start capturing all sub-markets in vidya. The problem with the Deck currently is that it's hamstrung by being a portable device but all Valve needs to do is release a "Steam Box" for the same price but running at higher TDPs, has a better cooling solution, more storage and that has an included controller instead of built in screen, speakers and controller.
Their old Steam OS idea was a solid one, they just weren't ready too pull it off and expecting hardware manufacturers to pick up their slack didn't do it any favours.
Being portable is the only draw of their hardware
Why the frick would I buy a Steam Machine 2.0
If I want a cheap 1L PC/SFF PC to run games I just go to Dell/HP/Lenovo and buy one of theirs
I can configure what I want on them too via their ordering website or buy one for even cheaper second hand
Valve could do a Steam Box but the problem is making it cost effective. Deck is very cost effective for Valve and isn't really being subsidised by Steam. It effectively uses Laptop tier parts that AMD is likely already pumping out for the OEM Laptop makers so it's relatively cheap. High end consoles are still being sold on the "Give away the razors, sell the blades" strategy and Sony have started to really eat shit on that model the past year and a bit since the PS5 console itself is doing break even costs at best. So Valve would have to take a massive bath and use the same strategy which needs billions of dollars in outlay or price their consoles above $699 and make it back up front with the risk they won't make that money back.
consoles run the equivalent of mid range pc hardware but made with the shittiest silicon they could find and heavily overvolted as a result
sony and microsoft cut corners at every front they can find compared to an equivalent pc, sell you consoles at an upfront loss and then recoup that loss by draining it back out over time due the fact that they have complete control over the ecosystem
console buying isn't smart or nifty or anything, you're literally being scammed and expected to suck it up
Gpu prices go up linearly with performance increases. The market simply can't sustain itself on the pc model where in 1-2 generations the cheapest new gpu can't be had for under a grand. Consoles are more important now than ever.
>press xbox icon on controller >xbox starts >play game
Xbox is kind of a bad example since their entire business model is pivoting towards pc gaming. Which makes sense when you remember which company owns them.
I think the problem is less with the lack of exclusives and more with the lack of good games on them in general. A lot of beloved PS2 titles weren't exclusive to it.
Only if youre not Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft fricked themselves over by making console games too expensive to make. Meanwhile Nintendo is making bank with PS2 era graphics.
The decline of consoles is mostly due to typical console players playing only sports games and Call of Duty. Maybe Assassin's Creed and Far Cry if they are feeling adventurous. Exclusive games and especially movie games with massive budgets are just not as good business models as corporate suits had hoped.
The problem is big exclusives just don't have the quality they brought to the table in the past and there are fewer of them to boot. M$ had the right idea for once with GamePass.
>turn consoles into shitty, locked down PCs with all of the drawbacks but none of the upsides of actual PCs >be surprised that people leave console gaming
The ONLY thing you have left are physical media (that don't contain full games, but at least you can resell them). And it's a matter of time before those get phased out on consoles as well. It'll start with the new "adorably all-digital" Xbox and then spread to other manufacturers. The end is near.
They actually contain the game. Are you fricking moronic? At least do some research. My PS5 has not connected once to the internet and I have a local account on it. My games run fine.
>Only Millennials are buying consoles >The console market is shrinking every year >PC is the platform of choice for Gen Z and Gen Alpha
The good ending path has been unlocked
Consoles are still doing great, but sales have been stagnant since the mid-late 2000s. Also this: , the average console buyer is getting older and older, which may become an issue in the future.
Huge misunderstanding by OP. And I don't know if people really have these delusions that most PC gaming growth is caused by good games and mot ftp mtx riddled shit amd the same old online games and asset flip fotms. PC is growing the way Mobile is growing, if you catch my drift.
Nah. Sales of AAA games on PC are comparable to consoles these days, this wasn't the case a decade ago. But as I said it's not that consoles are getting smaller, it's PC that's getting bigger.
>Consoles are still doing great
Switch is. It might break the 160 million cap. Xbox and Playstation aren't. Xbox can't sell consoles while PS5 is slightly behind PS4 after Sony claimed it would outpace PS4 by 10 million by now. On top of that, Sony's not making money off Playstation because their spending on first party and exclusive content has wiped out the revenue they make on third party content. It's far more likely Playstation only matches PS3 sales than approaching PS4.
The only company with a chance of growth is Nintendo. Playstation and Xbox are pretty much dead in the water.
>Nu-uh, Steam is doing great. EGS and GOG aren't.
This is true though. EGS is a failure. GOG is doing only OK but it isn't a big profit spinner for CDPR anyway.
What I was saying is that the console market, as a whole, is doing fine. It means that the idea of a closed system designed to play videogames isn't unappealing to consumers. Yet.
Phones and PCs didn't kill consoles, they just found a new market to sell their products to.
And by the way PS5 is also doing fine. Selling a bit worse than a massively successful console isn't bad.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And by the way PS5 is also doing fine.
It's not. Sony's done pretty deep cuts to the division because it's not performing as they hoped and they aren't making reasonable returns on it since the pandemic ended >Selling a bit worse than a massively successful console isn't bad.
It is when you've promised more growth to shareholders only to find your growth has stagnated and you aren't attracting new customers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"It's selling a bit worse than expected but it's still doing fine" is not the same as "HOLY SHIT NO ONE'S BUYING THIS THING WE'RE FRICKING DYING."
Of the big three, the only company that's losing money this generation is Microsoft.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's not making money. You can sell 50 million and not make money. The new interim CEO was very clear about it during their financial briefing last quarter and why they are going multiplatform on PC even harder than before that will likely include day and date releases on PC and the whole slate of Sony titles on PC. They put themselves in the same position as the PS3 where they were selling but didn't make money
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That was about their first-party games, not the entire ecosystem. They are making money with publishing fees, subscriptions and all of that.
Also, their first-party games are -at least- breaking even. It's just that it's not worth spending five years and $200 million to earn $220 million, too risky.
They aren't making anywhere near as much money as Nintendo of course, but they're still in the green. Which is what I said, they are doing "fine."
Nintendo = Great.
Sony = Fine.
Microsoft = Not fine.
Overall market status = Still alive and kicking.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>A company that's after cutting 900 developers, cancelling multiple game projects, shutting down a studio and announcing they are embracing a multiplatform strategy >Uses cumulative number instead of quarterly number that is already bad anyway since $1.2 billion is barely any revenue at all once you factor in operating costs >"Fine"
Least delusional console fanboy
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, they're restructuring BEFORE they get hurt, how's this a bad thing. What were they supposed to do, keep doing what they were doing and hope every single one of their AAA games sells at least six million copies to break even?
>console fanboy
???
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They were already hurt, dumbass. Their operating margin has plummeted and they are going to miss forecasts on PS5 sales. The cuts were to stem the bleeding. PS5 is not doing fine. It's doing as badly as the PS3 was financially. That's why Sony's making all these cuts and embracing a multiplatform strategy in an attempt to stem the bleeding. >???
You keep jumping in to defend the PS5 claiming it's doing "fine" when it's doing badly even with evidence. That's fanboy behavior
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's doing as badly as the PS3 was financially
The PS3 was bleeding billions. With the PS5 they're making billions. It's just that they're making 1.2 instead of the forecasted 1.5 billion or whatever they told investors they were going to make. This is all short-term bullshit, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, their console keeps selling, devs keep making games for PS5 and people keep buying them.
It's not even remotely comparable to the PS3: this was sold waaay below cost, despite this it was way too expensive so no one was buying it, and the competition was getting more and better games. Now THIS is what a disaster looks like.
By your logic Nintendo was also dying last year because they sold below expectations for a quarter? https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/07/nintendo-cuts-switch-sales-forecast-after-disappointing-holiday-season.html
Funny quote from the article: >While Nintendo is struggling, its rival Sony this month raised its PS5 sales target by one million units to 19 million for the year to March.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
An operating profit of $1.2 billion on revenue of $21.2 Billion is awful because most of that goes back into operating costs so there's very little profit extrapolated on it. That's less than 10% and is really really bad on the back of record revenue.
Meanwhile Nintendo has a profit margin of 20-30% and has had that margin comfortably for the last few years.
Playstation and Xbox are dying and good riddance. Only Nintendo deserves to survive.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nintendo is currently selling one of the if not THE most successful console of all time, financially speaking. 30% is literally Apply-tier margins.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The PS3 was bleeding billions. With the PS5 they're making billions
no. they have terrible profit margins
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Xbox is making CASH in comparison LMAO LOL
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't think I have the image here but xbox's profit margin was indeed beter than playstation. I don't think the profits where as high but the margin was
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
In profit margins, Sony's been around 5-9% since 2022. Xbox has been around 10-15% while Nintendo's is a whopping 20-30%. Sony's making the most revenue but they are hardly keeping any of it.
Huge misunderstanding by OP. And I don't know if people really have these delusions that most PC gaming growth is caused by good games and mot ftp mtx riddled shit amd the same old online games and asset flip fotms. PC is growing the way Mobile is growing, if you catch my drift.
To no avail. According to the leaks recently the success on PC has been middling and the venture is not a huge revenue. Still they're betting on it, to their own long term detriment. But they will probably only understand when they are doomed.
Oh yeah, as an addendum to my post. I don't mean they'll close down PlayStation, but rather that they will become a third party publisher. Similar to Xbox. Those two will unfortunately still be part of the industry, but in a reduced state.
Consoles made their own grave and will slowly move towards it.
Let's take for example Sony >they abandoned the hardcore fans like weebs for normalgays >slowly kill all AA studios and only focus on AAA western titles(big budgets long development times)
Now the ps5 comes out and you have no games because AAA have long development times and high budgets meanwhile you have no AA games to buffer between releases and the only people left are normalgays who only buy fifa/cod and nothing else.
Meanwhile Nintendo did the complete opposite and saw the writing on the wall and switched into the handheld market >switch is the only portable console left after Sony killed the Vita >has big 1st party titles and many small AA titles between them >also collect the weebs that Sony exiled >become the second biggest Indie platform after PC making your library even bigger.
The PC gains steady popularity because it has a giant library, can be modified/upgraded to your needs and steam makes it piss easy to purchase and play games.
>consoles are dying
finally.
consoles need to be banned and destroyed, or at least 99% of games need to be banned from being released on consoles.
>every game has the same looking inventory and menus >GIGANTIC FRICKING SQUARES >BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk >all games now have a max of a few skills you can use at a time >BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk HAVE LIKE 3 BUTTONS ON THEIR Black person PADS
Diablo 4 could have ben a good game.
but it was released on consoles, too.
look at it. >4 skills, of them on never ending cooldown >BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk HAVE A FEW BUTTONS ON THEIR Black person PADS
console gaming enjoyers need to be gassed and families deported.
Cooldown is the direct result of casuals not wanting to manage ammo/items. The same why recharging health became a thing in games. It has nothing to do with consoles. Doom Eternal is unfit for consoles because the controller doesn't have enough buttons to allow free switching between weapons. Yet it is still about infinite recharging ammo/health etc.
Ammo management is shit in single player games.
This shit was figured out in the 80s. Now's the part where you get really mad and cry that I'm bad at games
and guess what moronic menu was created to help console cucks with too many usables? the fricking selection wheel, which is now used in pc games too, sometimes not even allowing 1-9 for selection
You are wrong if you think consoles are the reason why every game has the same menu. The real reason is because
A, UI design is a separate job now and they are taught by the same principles in the same schools. In ye olden times UI design was a side task for one of the artists.
B, As video gaming got big it got streamlined and simplified to be able to reach as many people as it is possible. Try to sell a video game which uses most of the keyboard aka strategy games and see how many you will sell.
You are also wrong if you think games getting simplified is because of console controllers. We have built in no fail modes aka accessibility settings on top of "story" difficulty. Why do you think SF6 got simplified controls when the controller was more than adequate to play the game?
Also you have no idea what does it mean consoles lock down performance targets for a few years at least. Remember when the Xbox 360 retired with its DVD drive and suddenly games blew up to 50-100GB while the graphics only marginally improved? Guess what was holding poor devs back? Same with optimizations. Games come out in a completely unplayable state on a 4090. What would happen without consoles holding poor devs back?
>PCs are the best home video games >Handhelds and portable PCs are the best consoles
There's no reason to buy a PS5/XBOX in 2020 you're scamming yourself
PC has been dying since 1994 and all the other proclamations that it is dead FOR REAL THIS TIME were just a slip of the tongue. It is really dead this time.
Remember anons according to Nvidia themselves on 25% of their install base have a gpu more powerful than a 3060. PC gamers play on hardware closer to a ps4 than any of the current consoles.
consoles are holding us back graphically. im tired of pretending that graphics don't matter. this mindset kills the drooling boomer, if all you care about is dated gameplay then buy a switch you manchild.
Windows still is shit at interfacing with my TV receiver. I want to like pc but it's an annoying issue if I want to game on the couch. TV turns off while I'm playing it sometimes. Consoles don't have that issue
Switch also becomes less impressive once you realize it consumed their portables too. A shadow of the Wii + DS days in terms of hardware sales. Although software sales wise it’s maybe stronger?
Sony makes movie games cause they want the normalgay audience, why have a ton of variety japanese made games when you can have a handful of western movie games, then just remaster them the next year.
what you Black folk don't understand is that the the AA games that sony used to put out sold like shit and wasn't worth the time. it's the reason why Japan Studio was killed off. people were only buying the AAA games made by the western studios, and is one of the reasons why the ps3 was able to become a success, fixing the mistakes that SCEJ made.
Calling me Black person when you want general audience slop, why bother make something decent like Last of Us if they just want to torpedo any desire in the franchise with Last of Us 2
Because consoles became just cheaper PC with shit ton of limitations, no exclusives, have to pay for your own internet to use it and in general not offering anything unique. Reason why Switch was success was because there actually was some space between mobile phones and consoles that everyone just decided to ignore.
Honestly I think the only way for consoles to be anything in the future is for microsoft to just go all in on subscription sergice and just sell cloud gaming cubes. They would still be limited, but at least it would be something instead of selling shitty PCs and making one exclusive game every other year
Nah, MS needs to stop pretending and just make the new Xbox run windows
not full desktop interface windows, but windows with gaming focused UI (kinda like steam did with big picture) and release a portable that runs on an AMD apu
Also here is a hot take
If anyone of the big companies could and wanted to do a big fricking splash in this shitty pond of portable PCs, it would be apple
Their M chips are far better than AMD apus and draw way less power
Put them on a bigger case than the iPhone (with a decent battery) with built in controllers and actually help devs to port steam x86 games to metal and they could have yet another high selling device on their lineup
But noooo. release the iPhone 15 pro pretending it is a gaming powerhouse when the thing thermal throttles like hell and eats all its battery, also Metal is such a shitshow that people are using Vulkan to port games to their chips now
>not full desktop interface windows, but windows with gaming focused UI
That's what Xbox One and up are. They literally run a modified locked down version of Windows 8/10. You can get the same experience on a desktop/laptop running Windows in "S Mode" where you can only install Windows Store apps.
No shit >Buy a Switch >it has exclusives to justify it but they run like shit, every third party games run even worse >Buy a PS4 >there are only 12 exclusive games >Buy a Xbox >No exclusives whatsoever
Meanwhile on PC >You can run Switch games at full speed and at 4k60fps >Almost every PS5 exclusive eventually gets re released as a PC game >Every single Xbox game is released on PC day 1
Tell me, why would you buy a console?
You want to play games on the go? you can get a steamdeck or any of the other portable console PCs that use an AMD apu and can emulate switch games too, so the only positive the switch had went to shit
You want the BEST looking games, both the XboneX and the PS5 aren't really that strong, and sure they are way cheaper than getting a top of the line PC, but you don't have to pay for online subscriptions with a PC
Also it is a fricking computer, if you want to run a crypto miner, some AI model to generate porn for you, or do some actual work on it, you can
PC is indeed the best platform overall currently but it still has more than a handful caveats. >consoles are still simple >every game will run on them during the generation >the starting fee is way cheaper than a PC
The problem of these arguments is always the issue of people not even trying to understand the pros and cons, they are just parroting all the advantages of one side. For example:
I can do all my "office" stuff on my smartphone.
I don't want to mod my games.
I don't want to pirate.
I don't play many games to justify a high end rig.
Also I personally find the Steam Deck argument so weird. It is everything the master race hates, shit performance, no way to upgrade etc. It is like they subconsciously admit portability is a huge advantage of phones and the Switch so they accept the "PC-console" to keep the upper hand.
The switch deck like PCs are there to fill a niche, portability, some people want to play their games on the go and that is that
A few years ago if you wanted to do that you had options, you could get a Nintendo Portable and it had Nintendo games and Nintendo like games on it, if you wanted more console like options you could get a Sony portable and that could feed you cravings for that
But smartphones kinda ruined that for a while with promises of being able to run anything, but with an appstore filled with crap
Finally the switch came out and people remembered that sometimes you just want to play a game in the bus or in the bed, but there was no options, only switch
So the mustard race accept the portable PCs because it is an option and is probably the best they will get, it is not an "upper hand" they just want to fill the void the PSP/Vita left, they don't want to play portable games on a portable, they want to play Forza Horizon 5 or Elden Ring on a portable and that is pretty much the draw of those devices to them
Standards aren't set in stone. If they would the Deck wouldn't exist or you could run Gotham Knights above 30 on a high end PC. There are expectations and there is the cost of hardware. If it fits your requirements then you will buy it. Or not. If you bought a console in 2020 you can play Dragons Dogma 2 on it. The same may not be true on a PC. In fact what really bothers me is there are regular shit PC ports not even high end hardware can run adequately.
I have no idea why people think if consoles didn't exist then everyone would only have mid to high end rigs and games would suddenly transform into some high level experience when we could already build detailed open worlds a decade ago.
I want to use Game Pass but do not want to use spyware Windows so I bought a Series S. People have different reasons, Anon, it is a wide world out there.
>PC Black folk fellating themselves while simultaneously seething over consoles AGAIN
I am enjoying my PS5 and Switch and don't need anything more until new gen of Sony and Nintendo consoles come out, as I did for the last 20 years
Consoles won't die because the people playing on consoles will never build a PC to play games, so if the consoles died that entire segment of the market vanishes and corporations lose billions. They will not accept that. This entire thread is just dumb PCmutts fantasizing about shit that will never happen.
>Cities Skylines II barely hits 10fps on a 14900kys/4090 PC >still say they're commited to bringing it to PS5 and SeX >won't patch the PC version until the console versions are out
Smart thinking. Will definitely win them lots of fans.
they only care about money m8 >console friends want to play hoi4 or whatever because it's le ebin strategy game >they see the gazzillion docs, so they get the subscription plan instead >play hoi4 once and drop it because playing it with a controller is about as pleasant as getting your balls kicked/your breasts crushed >forget about the subscription, still give paradox israelites money for months until they remember and cancel it
>endless microtransactions, gacha, greedy monetization in general >always online crap >terrible optimization >garbage expansions >shitty indies flooding the market >AAA are all copies of each other
The industry is at its worst state possible and almost all the shitty practices were widely accepted in the PC market years before it was acceptable for the entire market
My 11-year-old nephew sold his XBox One and bought a PC to record rad Minecraft gameplay and post it on Youtube.
And with the fact that most kids want to be "youtubers" when they grow up in various countries, it's going to make the appeal of the PC even greater among them. The problem is that if a generation is getting used to PCs as an entertainment hub, consoles won't have much to offer unless they're gimmicks like Nintendo's.
A huge part of it for me is privacy. Helldivers 2 on PC for example has an invasive anti-cheat, whereas ps5 does not. Linux gaming is alright (did it for 10+ years), but Windows is superior, and Windows harvests your data a lot.
Price. You don't have piracy I guess but you do have cheaper games via discs and a lot of libraries carry games as well which helps close the gap. Paid online is so stupid though. Like you said you don't have hackers but I'm still not paying money just to use my internet.
Used games are cheaper than PC's shitty sales these days. Even new discs have better prices because retailers just want to get rid of stock. The only thing to close the gap is EGS sales and gamepass and Ganker hates both of those instead opting to pledge their loyalty to the ozempic overlord.
You still got piracy like I said but you also have rental services for console games.
>PC gayS THINK THIS IS GOOD NEWS >THINK THE CORPORATE EDOMITE
MONKEYS WONT START TO DO THE SAME MONEY GRUBBING TACTICS THAT LEAD TO CONSOLES DOWNFALL
IDIOTS, just like internet went to shit when it became accessible to normies, so to will PC gaming.
If you gays spent more time being proper gamers and not being a bunch of console warring wiener suckers then you'd know this isn't a good thing.
Look at how that Japanese monkey Harada started banning moders in online tekken because no one wants to pay for their shitty paid dlc costumes.
This means gaming in general will be dead soon, so it's best to find and create new hobby or keep thr old ones alive as their value increases
>Consoles are dying. >said desperate brand loyalist for the 1000th time.
Literally every major game is made because of consoles. Valve brings absolutely nothing to the table.
>The cuck is the one saving money, not being a FOMO obsessed consumer, and getting the best experience. >The one spending a ton of money, bending over backwards, getting fricked by day one DLC, etc, is not the cuck.
How curious.
The day consoles die, physical format will die. No one must allow this to happen. The only reason PC has more sales now is because stupid zoomers are lazy and can't be bothered to put an order on Amazon to get their physical games. It's a fricking dystopia.
consoles also have hard drives stupid fricktard. That information is completely irrelevant. In this era,The fact you install a game in your stupid HDD doesn't mean you have it. You should know that by now.
>consoles also have hard drives stupid fricktards
ones which you cannot hotswap or modify or replace nowadays which will house game updates for all the AAA slop which is the main focus of consoles
if you're not updating your games your version is inferior to a cracked download in every way >The fact you install a game in your stupid HDD doesn't mean you have it.
your entire fricking console os is a black box and you're worried about the legitimacy of a shitty cd instead?
>consoles require you to pay a subscription to use your own internet
>consoles are pieces of hardware that are like 10 years out of date by the time they launch
>there aren't even any exclusive games on them anymore
>the ones that are exclusive get inevitable PC ports
>the PC can either play or emulate every current game
Current console gaming is a charade and the jig will be up in 1-2 more generations
Gpu prices go up linearly with performance increases. The market simply can't sustain itself on the pc model where in 1-2 generations the cheapest new gpu can't be had for under a grand. Consoles are more important now than ever.
>Consoles are more important now than ever.
No. Consoles are currently what is holding games back. It's a charade that shouldn't exist
>GRAPHICAL FIDELITY MUST INCREASE!!!!
>8k!!!!!!!!!!
>DONT STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Devs just need to optimize their fricking games, and the Xbox Series S forces them to do so.
>BUT BUT IT HOLDS BACK GAYMIN!!!! 16K!!!!!
99.99% of games are still cross-gen. Uncharted 1 graphics are still peak. You outed yourself as a zoomer.
>(insufferable reddit spacing)
>(moronic opinion)
>"You outed yourself as a zoomer."
I'm in my 30s, moron. I'm not some graphics gay either, I'm just telling it like it is. Consoles are currently what is holding gaming back (aside from woke agendas)
If not graphical, how is it holding back gaming?
The entire second half of Cyberpunk 2077 development was spent on trying to make it work on consoles (they failed in the end)
Okay, that is one game. One game is not the entirety of gaming now, is it? How are consoles holding back gaming? Not holding back a game (Cyberpunk), but the gaming industry and game development.
Cyberpunk 2077 was literally THE game though
Most FPS shooters implement in-game aim hacks for controllers, because console homosexuals got mad that they got trashed by PC players, resulting in games being more about how proficient you are at beating and using the aim assist, not being more skilled than a player at an FPS.
pc cucks just have no good exclusive shooters and play cod and fortnite now lmao
no one ever asked for crossplay with k&m users. funnily enough, aiming with your entire arm allows for greater precision than with a thumb
>talks about skill
>conveniently forgets his $10k rig
>screams cheating when a poorgay from a rural area playing on a PS4/CRT still kills him in Fortnite
Being unable to meet performance targets is the devs fault not the consoles. They didn't need to try and make a ps4 version, but they did because they wanted the playerbase. If consoles didn't exist then literally the exact same thing would happen with a shitty old gpus instead. You'd be blaming the 1060 and 1650 for "holding devs back" because they want a higher base to pull from and then we are back at square one except with a more fragmented baseline to work from.
>You'd be blaming the 1060 and 1650 for "holding devs back"
Nope, I would have to blame the fricking 760 because that card was released when PS4 was released. Of course that would never happen, because nobody who'd play Cyberpunk used that card in 2020.
Your inability to comprehend a simple post is fascinating.
Your ability to be moronic is even more fascinating.
Insinuating that I would blame 1060 for a shitty performance when in reality 1060 was 4 times more powerful than base PS4 which in my example did hold Cyberpunk back. I wouldn't have a problem if MS and Sony went "frick base Xbox1/PS4, new games only work on Pro versions from now on", but that never is going to happen, so devs need to waste time optimising for 7+ year old hardware.
So if raw performance being better than a ps4 is all that matters then the PS5 isn't holding back gaming and consoles are fine now. Nice talk, homosexual.
>now
It's cute how you simply ignored the fact, that every single fricking game up until maybe a year ago was made for PS4 / Xbox One still? Yes, games that came out 1 / 2 years ago STILL needed to work on a 10 year old hardware.
>They didn't need to try and make a ps4 version, but they did because they wanted the playerbase.
Nope. Very much didn't ignore shit. You were just too much of a moron to understand a simple post.
>no u
Your argument was that devs would be held back by 760s in 2020 if consoles didn't exist. You kinda tried to make it sound less moronic by pretending that a PS4 is equal to a fricking 1060, but unfortunately that didn't work out for you.
Devs don't need to make games for the ps4. They do so because they want the higher playerbase. If they are holding themselves back to target a higher playerbase then that means they need to target 1060s and 1650s instead of 4080s. Nowhere did I ever bring up a 760 you did because you're a fricking subhuman moron.
And what I'm trying to drill into your fricking moronic peanut of a brain is that if consoles didn't exist, they wouldn't have to cater to a higher player base that sits on 10+ year-old hardware, because everyone would have at most 5-year-old hardware and the minority that would have 5+ year-old hardware could probably still play games that cater to 5-year-old hardware with mods / special options. That's why I wouldn't have a problem if MS and Sony ditched the base models of their consoles and focused on the Pro versions. Unfortunately, devs that would develop for for only Pro versions are literally forced to make versions for base models, even if they don't want to.
So consoles aren't a problem to you. It's that they last longer than 5 years. God what an arbitrary little shit you are.
>It's that they last longer than 5 years. God what an arbitrary little shit you are.
What the frick do you think "holding back" means? Yes, the problem is that you can't do new cool shit if you need to accommodate 3rd worlders with 10+ year old hardware (even you don't want to). How is that so hard to understand?
>inb4 they don't need to if they don't want to lol
Can a game be created for PC, PS5 and PS4 Pro only? No it fricking can't. So if you want to sell it on PS4 Pro, well sucks to be you, you need to make it work for a base PS4.
Hmmm, but I thought that if consoles didn't exist people would jump at the opportunity to just upgrade to the latest thing and not use 5 year old hardware? Isn't the ps4 pro older than 5 years? Why don't they have ps5s? Mystery upon mystery.
>because everyone would have at most 5-year-old hardware
You are assuming everyone would replace their GPUs on the regular instead of not playing the games they can't run. Most of the PC users are poorgays, steam survey proves this. Especially with the Deck in mind. What is most likely that without consoles anyone who wants to sell for a large userbase would simply hold themselves back and still target the 1660.
>if MS and Sony ditched the base models of their consoles and focused on the Pro versions
Just because you raise the bottom line it doesn't change anything. You would still complain those aren't 4090s. Look at this gen, all the experts said the CPUs will be good enough now and what did it result in? Even more bloated shit graphics engines tanking the performance for minimal gains.
>What is most likely that without consoles anyone who wants to sell for a large userbase would simply hold themselves back and still target the 1660.
Would you rather them target 1660 (2019, 4,4 TFLOPS), or base PS4 (2013, 1,84 TFLOPS)?
>Just because you raise the bottom line it doesn't change anything.
Yes, it fricking does. There is a difference between 10 year old hardware and year old hardware. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.
>but I thought that if consoles didn't exist people would jump at the opportunity to just upgrade to the latest thing and not use 5 year old hardware?
I'm not responsible for the voices in your head.
Pls not the TFlops, it is such a meaningless number. Did people forgot about scalability and optimization? There are a bunch of PS4 and XBO games that are still jaw dropping. We are playing the exact same shitty games, no advancement happened in the new generation. The same open world shit, the same walking sim shit. Only RT changes anything and it absolutely tanks performance it return. Just to enable development teams to not hire lighting artists. Don't even get me begin on upscaling, gone the sharp games of old. This is what you get for pushing big numbers hardware instead of software development.
So if consoles didn't exist and people don't just blindly upgrade, then what's stopping the hoard of ps4 owners from just sticking to 10 year old cheap hardware like they have been doing and financially pressuring devs to cater to them just the same as it is now?
>and the Xbox Series S forces them to do so.
Except it doesn't, as proven by the shit PC ports. The very fact that you need DLSS and other coping mechanisms proves the Series S isn't doing shit for actual optimizations.
>Uncharted 1 graphics are still peak
How would consoles going away change the fact that gaming, much like any business, sacrifices quality for profit meaning any advancements in computing power will be utilised solely to streamline the work process for lower skilled, cheaper labour outputting poorly optimised games rather than creating better product? How would consoles going away change the fact that you need to take out a mortgage if you want to buy a modern GPU?
Simple. In a few years you will only be able to rent games from the cloud.
I gave you an opportunity to salvage your moronic point and you went running with your tail between your legs instead. You're fricking pathetic.
>No. Consoles are currently what is holding games back. It's a charade that shouldn't exist
They always did, does no one remember that Halo destroyed fps as a genre for almost 15 years?
Who's going to buy your games with super high graphical fidelity that requires a 4090 to run? 100 people? 1000 people? Are you OK with $10,000 games?
>Are you OK with $10,000 games?
I've never seen anything so dumb said on Ganker before. Congratulations.
you realise consoles also run on the same gpus, right? unless you somehow believe that consoles are going to start selling you products for <500, ideally <300, but that cost them over a grand to make because of the gpu prices that affect them just the same, because that's never going to happen
the reality is developers are going to have to band together or lawsuit the shit out of gpu manufacturers to reduce prices otherwise the entire industry just dies, period, because if nobody can play games then nobody is going to buy games.
or they develop products from now on that run on like 2070s or 3060s and continue to build for that exact hardware forever so that they can continue actually selling games to anyone
>The market simply can't sustain itself on the pc model where in 1-2 generations the cheapest new gpu can't be had for under a grand
The frick are you talking about? 4k native ready gpus are under 1k.
> 4k native
we upscaling nao - native resolution is depreciated.
No, like, 4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k and costs around 750$ if you're in eu, probably less in us
>No, like, 4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k
Yeah maybe in switch ports and indie games. AAA games won't get close to that without turning on upscaling. Native is dead.
how delusional snoydrone subhumans like you can get? Enjoy your 720p blurry garbage snoyslop with fake frames
See
your shitboxes are physically incapable of running games at that resolution on ultra settings
So are 1000 dorra gpus it seems.
20 FPS > 0 FPS
But no one needs 4k ultra anyways 1080p high settings is completely fine which consoles still struggle with
> 1080p high settings is completely fine
There it is anon i'm glad we finally got there - using a 15 year old resolution consoles have been running for the last 8.
you're backpedaling like a dog with his tail between his legs. This is the original statement you're replying to, by the way
they are capable of 4k/60FPS but not ultra you dumbass
read the second half of my post you illiterate moron
>read the second half of my post you illiterate moron
I did and it was just full of lies.
>I did and it was just full of lies.
I can taste your snoydrone tears from coping
lol based 970 user, you gott'em good
I have a 3060RTX, I can run any unoptimized modern AAA slop at 60+FPS
With dlss on performance maybe and certainly only at 1080p (with previously mentioned dlss on). You have a machine less powerful than the PS5 lol and are coping pretty poorly it seems
>You have a machine less powerful than the ps5
>You have a machine less powerful than the PS5 lol
snoydrones are as delusional as ever, I have a 13th generation CPU which is the real bottleneck nowadays
Black person your example is quite literally some unoptimized fotd slop that only has AVERAGE 60fps with the most powerful gpu available. Check actual real games that people play.
>Check actual real games that people play.
Such as?
Fortnite and CS2.
>modern triple A
Those games have more As in them than any triple A sloppa that doesn't generate even 1/10th of the profit. Cope.
I accept your reluctant concession. gg, ez
If your dogshit troony "high graphical fidelity" games do not generate the profit of real AAA games such as Fortnite and CS2, they're not AAA games. Cope.
Fortnite is a troony game
Why are your dogshit troony "high graphical fidelity games" incapable of competing with AAA games?
You're right. If you suck down enough liquor and then squint really hard 23 does in fact look like 60.
>avatar frontiers of pandora
>4070 is capable of 60 fps/4k
LMAO that card is only like 50% stronger than my 3070 that struggles doing 60 fps at 1440p without raytracing and maxed out graphics.
Stop playing slop then.
>already brings out the copium
There's 0 need for a high end machine if all you are playing is indie trash. Even a Switch can run that garbage.
>I play poorly made shit and can't get good frames
Be serious.
A Switch can get good frames on all the indie garbage you consider non slop.
Actually, no.
Many indies run like crap on the Switch for various reasons. It's not for lack of processing power, it's because the ports of indie games simply aren't good enough, probably because the guys lack the budget to really get to know the hardware and make a proper port.
In fact, the Switch in general is a console where performance will suffer in most of the games you play. Games like Diablo 3 where you'll have a near-perfect experience 99% of the time are the exception rather than the norm.
lmao, one of the most delusional thing i've ever heard
gpus arent really as important as the industry wants to sell them as. bad game performance is mostly from bad code. cyberpunk 2077 was written in a script apple created to make apps on iphones because polish people are moronic. buy all the gpus you want, they wont fix that.
What do you think is inside consoles? Magic?
>Nvidia is charging $7000000000000 for a 6050
>You can still play literally every fricking game worth playing on a AMD somefricking numbers G ryzen cpu
Dedicated GPUs are dead if you aren't doing render shit or crunching thousands of stolen forums to make your computer pretend to be a person (poorly)
Consoles are only important when they don't run the same architecture as a PC
going X86 makes developing easy as frick because you just need a PC for most of the development and a devkit for certification
That means lazy as hacks can publish games as we saw with the PS4 and the PS5 when a bunch of steam asset flips got ported to it and sony had to do something to clean their online store
It also means that way, way less optimization has to happen
Look at the PS4, what is the best looking game on it? The Spiderman game perhaps? ok
Now look at the PS3, the best looking game on it was the first The Last of Us
Call me a madman, but TLoU running on the PS3 and looking as good as it did, was a much harder job than getting Spiderman to run and look good on the PS4
Why? well have you look at the PS3's specs recently? No? well it has a PPC CPU with 1 Core and 8 SPUs (lesser cores, and one of those is disabled to make the chip less expensive) that is paired to what is essentially an Nvidea 7200 with 256mb of Vram
To make anything looking that good on it was probably a fricking ordeal
>Buys a Deck
GPU prices can't go up forever since there will come a point where Nvidia and AMD literally price themselves out of their own market (which is why Nvidia has been balls deep in crypto and now AI).
Valve has unironically managed to reach an equilibrium where their hardware is cheap enough, easy too use enough and tinker friendly enough to start capturing all sub-markets in vidya. The problem with the Deck currently is that it's hamstrung by being a portable device but all Valve needs to do is release a "Steam Box" for the same price but running at higher TDPs, has a better cooling solution, more storage and that has an included controller instead of built in screen, speakers and controller.
Their old Steam OS idea was a solid one, they just weren't ready too pull it off and expecting hardware manufacturers to pick up their slack didn't do it any favours.
Being portable is the only draw of their hardware
Why the frick would I buy a Steam Machine 2.0
If I want a cheap 1L PC/SFF PC to run games I just go to Dell/HP/Lenovo and buy one of theirs
I can configure what I want on them too via their ordering website or buy one for even cheaper second hand
Valve could do a Steam Box but the problem is making it cost effective. Deck is very cost effective for Valve and isn't really being subsidised by Steam. It effectively uses Laptop tier parts that AMD is likely already pumping out for the OEM Laptop makers so it's relatively cheap. High end consoles are still being sold on the "Give away the razors, sell the blades" strategy and Sony have started to really eat shit on that model the past year and a bit since the PS5 console itself is doing break even costs at best. So Valve would have to take a massive bath and use the same strategy which needs billions of dollars in outlay or price their consoles above $699 and make it back up front with the risk they won't make that money back.
PS5 has been sold at profit since the first year of sales ended. Margins are only better ever since the slim model release.
>Margins are only better ever since the slim model release.
Nope
consoles run the equivalent of mid range pc hardware but made with the shittiest silicon they could find and heavily overvolted as a result
sony and microsoft cut corners at every front they can find compared to an equivalent pc, sell you consoles at an upfront loss and then recoup that loss by draining it back out over time due the fact that they have complete control over the ecosystem
console buying isn't smart or nifty or anything, you're literally being scammed and expected to suck it up
I play on 1660 super at 1440p mostly with 60+ fps and 40 at the absolute worst. A gpu you can buy for like 150$
1660 Super plays new games at medium settings 1080p 60fps.
Shops don't even carry that thing anymore around here.
I bought it used 2 years ago
So what does that have to do with future new gpus?
Nothing, I'm saying you can buy cheap gpu from the used marked and be more than fine.
Then why reply to the post if it has nothing to do with it? You could've made your random ass comment without replying to anyone instead.
>press xbox icon on controller
>xbox starts
>play game
>It runs at 30fps
>Need to pay subscription service to play online
>A game I want to play isn't on Xbox
>press turn on button on computer
>it starts
>play game
>put game in startup folder
>press power button
>play game
Big brain
Xbox is kind of a bad example since their entire business model is pivoting towards pc gaming. Which makes sense when you remember which company owns them.
>pay for internet acces on your underpowered shitbox
>pay to rent games on your underpowered shitbox
>games run sub30 FPS on your underpowered shitbox
>Buy a Series X.
>Buy the last 20 years of exclusives for pennies on the dollar.
>Play everything else on PC.
I think the problem is less with the lack of exclusives and more with the lack of good games on them in general. A lot of beloved PS2 titles weren't exclusive to it.
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Only if youre not Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft fricked themselves over by making console games too expensive to make. Meanwhile Nintendo is making bank with PS2 era graphics.
That is true. Nintendo won by being the only handheld system, which is a niche that things like Steamdeck can't yet fulfill
There's no more games because the new ones are slow..why?..... muh improved physics....muh improoovving technology....muh women engineering
We have to go back anon
Powerful sentence.
The decline of consoles is mostly due to typical console players playing only sports games and Call of Duty. Maybe Assassin's Creed and Far Cry if they are feeling adventurous. Exclusive games and especially movie games with massive budgets are just not as good business models as corporate suits had hoped.
The problem is big exclusives just don't have the quality they brought to the table in the past and there are fewer of them to boot. M$ had the right idea for once with GamePass.
>turn consoles into shitty, locked down PCs with all of the drawbacks but none of the upsides of actual PCs
>be surprised that people leave console gaming
The ONLY thing you have left are physical media (that don't contain full games, but at least you can resell them). And it's a matter of time before those get phased out on consoles as well. It'll start with the new "adorably all-digital" Xbox and then spread to other manufacturers. The end is near.
doesitplay.org
They actually contain the game. Are you fricking moronic? At least do some research. My PS5 has not connected once to the internet and I have a local account on it. My games run fine.
>They actually contain the game.
The full game? Or its unfinished version that needs a big day-1 patch to be made playable?
PCs didn't kill consoles, consoles killed themselves outside of Nintendo.
Based. The only platforms worth having are PC and mobile
>greater monopoly on the videogame market leads to even more price gouging from parts sellers
It’s amazing. They truly are the PC Slave Race
>Only Millennials are buying consoles
>The console market is shrinking every year
>PC is the platform of choice for Gen Z and Gen Alpha
The good ending path has been unlocked
Consoles are still doing great, but sales have been stagnant since the mid-late 2000s. Also this: , the average console buyer is getting older and older, which may become an issue in the future.
Nah. Sales of AAA games on PC are comparable to consoles these days, this wasn't the case a decade ago. But as I said it's not that consoles are getting smaller, it's PC that's getting bigger.
>Consoles are still doing great
Switch is. It might break the 160 million cap. Xbox and Playstation aren't. Xbox can't sell consoles while PS5 is slightly behind PS4 after Sony claimed it would outpace PS4 by 10 million by now. On top of that, Sony's not making money off Playstation because their spending on first party and exclusive content has wiped out the revenue they make on third party content. It's far more likely Playstation only matches PS3 sales than approaching PS4.
The only company with a chance of growth is Nintendo. Playstation and Xbox are pretty much dead in the water.
>PC is doing great!
>Nu-uh, Steam is doing great. EGS and GOG aren't.
>Nu-uh, Steam is doing great. EGS and GOG aren't.
This is true though. EGS is a failure. GOG is doing only OK but it isn't a big profit spinner for CDPR anyway.
What I was saying is that the console market, as a whole, is doing fine. It means that the idea of a closed system designed to play videogames isn't unappealing to consumers. Yet.
Phones and PCs didn't kill consoles, they just found a new market to sell their products to.
And by the way PS5 is also doing fine. Selling a bit worse than a massively successful console isn't bad.
>And by the way PS5 is also doing fine.
It's not. Sony's done pretty deep cuts to the division because it's not performing as they hoped and they aren't making reasonable returns on it since the pandemic ended
>Selling a bit worse than a massively successful console isn't bad.
It is when you've promised more growth to shareholders only to find your growth has stagnated and you aren't attracting new customers.
"It's selling a bit worse than expected but it's still doing fine" is not the same as "HOLY SHIT NO ONE'S BUYING THIS THING WE'RE FRICKING DYING."
Of the big three, the only company that's losing money this generation is Microsoft.
It's not making money. You can sell 50 million and not make money. The new interim CEO was very clear about it during their financial briefing last quarter and why they are going multiplatform on PC even harder than before that will likely include day and date releases on PC and the whole slate of Sony titles on PC. They put themselves in the same position as the PS3 where they were selling but didn't make money
That was about their first-party games, not the entire ecosystem. They are making money with publishing fees, subscriptions and all of that.
Also, their first-party games are -at least- breaking even. It's just that it's not worth spending five years and $200 million to earn $220 million, too risky.
They aren't making anywhere near as much money as Nintendo of course, but they're still in the green. Which is what I said, they are doing "fine."
Nintendo = Great.
Sony = Fine.
Microsoft = Not fine.
Overall market status = Still alive and kicking.
>A company that's after cutting 900 developers, cancelling multiple game projects, shutting down a studio and announcing they are embracing a multiplatform strategy
>Uses cumulative number instead of quarterly number that is already bad anyway since $1.2 billion is barely any revenue at all once you factor in operating costs
>"Fine"
Least delusional console fanboy
Yes, they're restructuring BEFORE they get hurt, how's this a bad thing. What were they supposed to do, keep doing what they were doing and hope every single one of their AAA games sells at least six million copies to break even?
>console fanboy
???
They were already hurt, dumbass. Their operating margin has plummeted and they are going to miss forecasts on PS5 sales. The cuts were to stem the bleeding. PS5 is not doing fine. It's doing as badly as the PS3 was financially. That's why Sony's making all these cuts and embracing a multiplatform strategy in an attempt to stem the bleeding.
>???
You keep jumping in to defend the PS5 claiming it's doing "fine" when it's doing badly even with evidence. That's fanboy behavior
>It's doing as badly as the PS3 was financially
The PS3 was bleeding billions. With the PS5 they're making billions. It's just that they're making 1.2 instead of the forecasted 1.5 billion or whatever they told investors they were going to make. This is all short-term bullshit, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is, their console keeps selling, devs keep making games for PS5 and people keep buying them.
It's not even remotely comparable to the PS3: this was sold waaay below cost, despite this it was way too expensive so no one was buying it, and the competition was getting more and better games. Now THIS is what a disaster looks like.
By your logic Nintendo was also dying last year because they sold below expectations for a quarter? https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/07/nintendo-cuts-switch-sales-forecast-after-disappointing-holiday-season.html
Funny quote from the article:
>While Nintendo is struggling, its rival Sony this month raised its PS5 sales target by one million units to 19 million for the year to March.
An operating profit of $1.2 billion on revenue of $21.2 Billion is awful because most of that goes back into operating costs so there's very little profit extrapolated on it. That's less than 10% and is really really bad on the back of record revenue.
Meanwhile Nintendo has a profit margin of 20-30% and has had that margin comfortably for the last few years.
Playstation and Xbox are dying and good riddance. Only Nintendo deserves to survive.
Nintendo is currently selling one of the if not THE most successful console of all time, financially speaking. 30% is literally Apply-tier margins.
>The PS3 was bleeding billions. With the PS5 they're making billions
no. they have terrible profit margins
Xbox is making CASH in comparison LMAO LOL
I don't think I have the image here but xbox's profit margin was indeed beter than playstation. I don't think the profits where as high but the margin was
In profit margins, Sony's been around 5-9% since 2022. Xbox has been around 10-15% while Nintendo's is a whopping 20-30%. Sony's making the most revenue but they are hardly keeping any of it.
I like your way of thinking. Especially considering that the best platform for Linux gaming is basically only one platform - Steam.
EGS deserves to fail. Timmy was part of the PC is dead fearmongering camp. Never forget.
>watch everyone else kill themselves while doing nothing
>is blamed for their deaths
No wonder gaming feels so homogenized and shit in 2024
You are just depressed
>most popular PC games are either shit graphics (multiplayer) F2P grinders or terrible low graphics indie FOTMs
The future is bright.
delete this anon i already hate everything and everyone
Huge misunderstanding by OP. And I don't know if people really have these delusions that most PC gaming growth is caused by good games and mot ftp mtx riddled shit amd the same old online games and asset flip fotms. PC is growing the way Mobile is growing, if you catch my drift.
Sony is bringing all their games to PC.
To no avail. According to the leaks recently the success on PC has been middling and the venture is not a huge revenue. Still they're betting on it, to their own long term detriment. But they will probably only understand when they are doomed.
Cope, Snoyster.
>Sony will leave the industry soon
Based
Oh yeah, as an addendum to my post. I don't mean they'll close down PlayStation, but rather that they will become a third party publisher. Similar to Xbox. Those two will unfortunately still be part of the industry, but in a reduced state.
Consoles made their own grave and will slowly move towards it.
Let's take for example Sony
>they abandoned the hardcore fans like weebs for normalgays
>slowly kill all AA studios and only focus on AAA western titles(big budgets long development times)
Now the ps5 comes out and you have no games because AAA have long development times and high budgets meanwhile you have no AA games to buffer between releases and the only people left are normalgays who only buy fifa/cod and nothing else.
Meanwhile Nintendo did the complete opposite and saw the writing on the wall and switched into the handheld market
>switch is the only portable console left after Sony killed the Vita
>has big 1st party titles and many small AA titles between them
>also collect the weebs that Sony exiled
>become the second biggest Indie platform after PC making your library even bigger.
The PC gains steady popularity because it has a giant library, can be modified/upgraded to your needs and steam makes it piss easy to purchase and play games.
>consoles are dying
finally.
consoles need to be banned and destroyed, or at least 99% of games need to be banned from being released on consoles.
>every game has the same looking inventory and menus
>GIGANTIC FRICKING SQUARES
>BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk
>all games now have a max of a few skills you can use at a time
>BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk HAVE LIKE 3 BUTTONS ON THEIR Black person PADS
Diablo 4 could have ben a good game.
but it was released on consoles, too.
look at it.
>4 skills, of them on never ending cooldown
>BECAUSE CONSOLE Black folk HAVE A FEW BUTTONS ON THEIR Black person PADS
console gaming enjoyers need to be gassed and families deported.
>>4 skills, 3 of them on never ending cooldown
console AIDS.
Cooldown is the direct result of casuals not wanting to manage ammo/items. The same why recharging health became a thing in games. It has nothing to do with consoles. Doom Eternal is unfit for consoles because the controller doesn't have enough buttons to allow free switching between weapons. Yet it is still about infinite recharging ammo/health etc.
Ammo management is shit in single player games.
This shit was figured out in the 80s.
Now's the part where you get really mad and cry that I'm bad at games
and guess what moronic menu was created to help console cucks with too many usables? the fricking selection wheel, which is now used in pc games too, sometimes not even allowing 1-9 for selection
Gonna play some Diablo on my Xbox Series S now
You are wrong if you think consoles are the reason why every game has the same menu. The real reason is because
A, UI design is a separate job now and they are taught by the same principles in the same schools. In ye olden times UI design was a side task for one of the artists.
B, As video gaming got big it got streamlined and simplified to be able to reach as many people as it is possible. Try to sell a video game which uses most of the keyboard aka strategy games and see how many you will sell.
You are also wrong if you think games getting simplified is because of console controllers. We have built in no fail modes aka accessibility settings on top of "story" difficulty. Why do you think SF6 got simplified controls when the controller was more than adequate to play the game?
Also you have no idea what does it mean consoles lock down performance targets for a few years at least. Remember when the Xbox 360 retired with its DVD drive and suddenly games blew up to 50-100GB while the graphics only marginally improved? Guess what was holding poor devs back? Same with optimizations. Games come out in a completely unplayable state on a 4090. What would happen without consoles holding poor devs back?
PC is the only platform that matters. While consoletards get one exclusive a year, we will be generating our own games from start to finish by 2026.
>170m+ combined consoles sold in 1 generation
>gta 6 console exclusive for an year
>consoles are dying
extremely delusional
Teenagers repeat their PC streamers opinions and feel part of a war. PC tribal warriors are unhinge.
no you see it's the gamers who are wrong
God, I lost all respect for Piroshi when he tried hawking NFTs. Good to know he's a complete butthole.
>PCs are the best home video games
>Handhelds and portable PCs are the best consoles
There's no reason to buy a PS5/XBOX in 2020 you're scamming yourself
gaming is getting worse as pc and mobile dominate
PC has been dying since 1994 and all the other proclamations that it is dead FOR REAL THIS TIME were just a slip of the tongue. It is really dead this time.
2 more weeks right?
Both Nintendo and PC are growing. It's Playstation and Xbox that are dying.
Remember anons according to Nvidia themselves on 25% of their install base have a gpu more powerful than a 3060. PC gamers play on hardware closer to a ps4 than any of the current consoles.
Cope.
I, too, wish to reject reality and pretend a thinkpad is a mighty gaming machine.
Palworld won.
consoles are holding us back graphically. im tired of pretending that graphics don't matter. this mindset kills the drooling boomer, if all you care about is dated gameplay then buy a switch you manchild.
Windows still is shit at interfacing with my TV receiver. I want to like pc but it's an annoying issue if I want to game on the couch. TV turns off while I'm playing it sometimes. Consoles don't have that issue
Switch also becomes less impressive once you realize it consumed their portables too. A shadow of the Wii + DS days in terms of hardware sales. Although software sales wise it’s maybe stronger?
Who cares, the Switch has the best Nintendo library to date.
Consoles died after 360/ps3 generation, there's literally no reason to have xbone/sex/ps4/ps5 instead of budget PC. Maybe ses if you are a poorgay
That's not a good thing, not at all. If consoles are dead their BS will be brought over to PC.
PC games are still console ports. lol
come back when people actually make PC games.
We had this same thread 10 years ago
1080p is pure consoomerism, nobody will ever, EVER need more than 1280x1024.
Good. Consoles are cancer and console fanboys are fricking idiots.
Sony makes movie games cause they want the normalgay audience, why have a ton of variety japanese made games when you can have a handful of western movie games, then just remaster them the next year.
what you Black folk don't understand is that the the AA games that sony used to put out sold like shit and wasn't worth the time. it's the reason why Japan Studio was killed off. people were only buying the AAA games made by the western studios, and is one of the reasons why the ps3 was able to become a success, fixing the mistakes that SCEJ made.
Calling me Black person when you want general audience slop, why bother make something decent like Last of Us if they just want to torpedo any desire in the franchise with Last of Us 2
Because consoles became just cheaper PC with shit ton of limitations, no exclusives, have to pay for your own internet to use it and in general not offering anything unique. Reason why Switch was success was because there actually was some space between mobile phones and consoles that everyone just decided to ignore.
Honestly I think the only way for consoles to be anything in the future is for microsoft to just go all in on subscription sergice and just sell cloud gaming cubes. They would still be limited, but at least it would be something instead of selling shitty PCs and making one exclusive game every other year
Nah, MS needs to stop pretending and just make the new Xbox run windows
not full desktop interface windows, but windows with gaming focused UI (kinda like steam did with big picture) and release a portable that runs on an AMD apu
Also here is a hot take
If anyone of the big companies could and wanted to do a big fricking splash in this shitty pond of portable PCs, it would be apple
Their M chips are far better than AMD apus and draw way less power
Put them on a bigger case than the iPhone (with a decent battery) with built in controllers and actually help devs to port steam x86 games to metal and they could have yet another high selling device on their lineup
But noooo. release the iPhone 15 pro pretending it is a gaming powerhouse when the thing thermal throttles like hell and eats all its battery, also Metal is such a shitshow that people are using Vulkan to port games to their chips now
>not full desktop interface windows, but windows with gaming focused UI
That's what Xbox One and up are. They literally run a modified locked down version of Windows 8/10. You can get the same experience on a desktop/laptop running Windows in "S Mode" where you can only install Windows Store apps.
No shit
>Buy a Switch
>it has exclusives to justify it but they run like shit, every third party games run even worse
>Buy a PS4
>there are only 12 exclusive games
>Buy a Xbox
>No exclusives whatsoever
Meanwhile on PC
>You can run Switch games at full speed and at 4k60fps
>Almost every PS5 exclusive eventually gets re released as a PC game
>Every single Xbox game is released on PC day 1
Tell me, why would you buy a console?
You want to play games on the go? you can get a steamdeck or any of the other portable console PCs that use an AMD apu and can emulate switch games too, so the only positive the switch had went to shit
You want the BEST looking games, both the XboneX and the PS5 aren't really that strong, and sure they are way cheaper than getting a top of the line PC, but you don't have to pay for online subscriptions with a PC
Also it is a fricking computer, if you want to run a crypto miner, some AI model to generate porn for you, or do some actual work on it, you can
PC is indeed the best platform overall currently but it still has more than a handful caveats.
>consoles are still simple
>every game will run on them during the generation
>the starting fee is way cheaper than a PC
The problem of these arguments is always the issue of people not even trying to understand the pros and cons, they are just parroting all the advantages of one side. For example:
I can do all my "office" stuff on my smartphone.
I don't want to mod my games.
I don't want to pirate.
I don't play many games to justify a high end rig.
Also I personally find the Steam Deck argument so weird. It is everything the master race hates, shit performance, no way to upgrade etc. It is like they subconsciously admit portability is a huge advantage of phones and the Switch so they accept the "PC-console" to keep the upper hand.
The switch deck like PCs are there to fill a niche, portability, some people want to play their games on the go and that is that
A few years ago if you wanted to do that you had options, you could get a Nintendo Portable and it had Nintendo games and Nintendo like games on it, if you wanted more console like options you could get a Sony portable and that could feed you cravings for that
But smartphones kinda ruined that for a while with promises of being able to run anything, but with an appstore filled with crap
Finally the switch came out and people remembered that sometimes you just want to play a game in the bus or in the bed, but there was no options, only switch
So the mustard race accept the portable PCs because it is an option and is probably the best they will get, it is not an "upper hand" they just want to fill the void the PSP/Vita left, they don't want to play portable games on a portable, they want to play Forza Horizon 5 or Elden Ring on a portable and that is pretty much the draw of those devices to them
>every game will run on them
subpar resolution and substandard framerate are a very loose definition of "run"
Standards aren't set in stone. If they would the Deck wouldn't exist or you could run Gotham Knights above 30 on a high end PC. There are expectations and there is the cost of hardware. If it fits your requirements then you will buy it. Or not. If you bought a console in 2020 you can play Dragons Dogma 2 on it. The same may not be true on a PC. In fact what really bothers me is there are regular shit PC ports not even high end hardware can run adequately.
I have no idea why people think if consoles didn't exist then everyone would only have mid to high end rigs and games would suddenly transform into some high level experience when we could already build detailed open worlds a decade ago.
I want to use Game Pass but do not want to use spyware Windows so I bought a Series S. People have different reasons, Anon, it is a wide world out there.
>PC Black folk fellating themselves while simultaneously seething over consoles AGAIN
I am enjoying my PS5 and Switch and don't need anything more until new gen of Sony and Nintendo consoles come out, as I did for the last 20 years
>NO!!!! But you can.... but you can.... CREATE AI PORN!!!!! GET A PC!!!!!!!!!!
"pc gamers"
PC tribal warriors are more fanatic than console warriors and are in platform wars 24:7.
>People over the age of 14 owning/playing on a switch.
Fricking grim, grow up.
Consoles won't die because the people playing on consoles will never build a PC to play games, so if the consoles died that entire segment of the market vanishes and corporations lose billions. They will not accept that. This entire thread is just dumb PCmutts fantasizing about shit that will never happen.
>Cities Skylines II barely hits 10fps on a 14900kys/4090 PC
>still say they're commited to bringing it to PS5 and SeX
>won't patch the PC version until the console versions are out
Smart thinking. Will definitely win them lots of fans.
they only care about money m8
>console friends want to play hoi4 or whatever because it's le ebin strategy game
>they see the gazzillion docs, so they get the subscription plan instead
>play hoi4 once and drop it because playing it with a controller is about as pleasant as getting your balls kicked/your breasts crushed
>forget about the subscription, still give paradox israelites money for months until they remember and cancel it
that, is paradox's plan for consoles
>docs
dlcs
frick this phone's autocorrect
>endless microtransactions, gacha, greedy monetization in general
>always online crap
>terrible optimization
>garbage expansions
>shitty indies flooding the market
>AAA are all copies of each other
The industry is at its worst state possible and almost all the shitty practices were widely accepted in the PC market years before it was acceptable for the entire market
My 11-year-old nephew sold his XBox One and bought a PC to record rad Minecraft gameplay and post it on Youtube.
And with the fact that most kids want to be "youtubers" when they grow up in various countries, it's going to make the appeal of the PC even greater among them. The problem is that if a generation is getting used to PCs as an entertainment hub, consoles won't have much to offer unless they're gimmicks like Nintendo's.
what are the argument of having a console of a PC?
the only legitimate one that I can think of is less hackers in multiplayer
A huge part of it for me is privacy. Helldivers 2 on PC for example has an invasive anti-cheat, whereas ps5 does not. Linux gaming is alright (did it for 10+ years), but Windows is superior, and Windows harvests your data a lot.
Price. You don't have piracy I guess but you do have cheaper games via discs and a lot of libraries carry games as well which helps close the gap. Paid online is so stupid though. Like you said you don't have hackers but I'm still not paying money just to use my internet.
>cheaper games via discs
what
are you on about re selling games you don't want anymore or something
Used games are cheaper than PC's shitty sales these days. Even new discs have better prices because retailers just want to get rid of stock. The only thing to close the gap is EGS sales and gamepass and Ganker hates both of those instead opting to pledge their loyalty to the ozempic overlord.
You still got piracy like I said but you also have rental services for console games.
>no nintendo related stuff on that picture
heh
Been saying taht for at least a decade now.
Still waiting. . . . . you console kiddies are kinda sad. Go play a game or something.
Yup
>mustards still claiming they're taking over gaming for the past ten years
>they actually dropped from 2nd to 3rd place
Also, take note of the year on year growth. Consoles are triple what pc has.
>PC gayS THINK THIS IS GOOD NEWS
>THINK THE CORPORATE EDOMITE
MONKEYS WONT START TO DO THE SAME MONEY GRUBBING TACTICS THAT LEAD TO CONSOLES DOWNFALL
IDIOTS, just like internet went to shit when it became accessible to normies, so to will PC gaming.
If you gays spent more time being proper gamers and not being a bunch of console warring wiener suckers then you'd know this isn't a good thing.
Look at how that Japanese monkey Harada started banning moders in online tekken because no one wants to pay for their shitty paid dlc costumes.
This means gaming in general will be dead soon, so it's best to find and create new hobby or keep thr old ones alive as their value increases
>Consoles are dying.
>said desperate brand loyalist for the 1000th time.
Literally every major game is made because of consoles. Valve brings absolutely nothing to the table.
Xbox is better.
>*Also available on PC
>at some point.
>for some price.
>maybe.
>broken.
none of those games would exist without consoles. artifact is the future Gabe wants.
The whole slate is coming to PC. Day one on Sony single player titles by 2025
Buy Xbox
>The cuck is the one saving money, not being a FOMO obsessed consumer, and getting the best experience.
>The one spending a ton of money, bending over backwards, getting fricked by day one DLC, etc, is not the cuck.
How curious.
>Consoles are dying. And PC, the platform once proclaimed dead, is the killer.
>CONSOLES ARE DYING
>LOOK AT PALWORLD THAT HAD HALF OF IT'S RELEVANCE ON XBOX ALONE
so you mean that sony is dying right?
and now Xbox is buying the studio that made Palworld LMAO Xbox keeps winning
Yup
The day consoles die, physical format will die. No one must allow this to happen. The only reason PC has more sales now is because stupid zoomers are lazy and can't be bothered to put an order on Amazon to get their physical games. It's a fricking dystopia.
>physical format will die
pcs have hard drives moron
and they're a way better way of storing games tham shitty cds or cartridges
consoles also have hard drives stupid fricktard. That information is completely irrelevant. In this era,The fact you install a game in your stupid HDD doesn't mean you have it. You should know that by now.
>consoles also have hard drives stupid fricktards
ones which you cannot hotswap or modify or replace nowadays which will house game updates for all the AAA slop which is the main focus of consoles
if you're not updating your games your version is inferior to a cracked download in every way
>The fact you install a game in your stupid HDD doesn't mean you have it.
your entire fricking console os is a black box and you're worried about the legitimacy of a shitty cd instead?