>Two hundred dollarydoos plus tip >Bluetooth >No gyro >No Hall sticks >Back paddles AND back buttons, which can only be remapped to other buttons >No replaceable battery >No charging dock
Never EVER buy anything from SCUF or corsair, they're scummy as frick.
SCUF, a small company owned by Corsair, owns over 120 patents (plus another 50 that are pending) for controllers, most of which are for back buttons.[1] Their back button patents range from just having 2 buttons on the back of a controller[2], to having 8 buttons of all different shapes and sizes and use cases[3] and everything in between.[4]
They sued Valve in 2015 over the Steam Controller's use of back paddles, and won the lawsuit in 2020 getting just over $4mil USD and forcing Valve to stop sales of the controller[5] (this is why Valve were selling them for $5 at the end of 2019, to get rid of all the stock).
Every controller with back buttons/paddles has to pay SCUF/Corsair to license their patent, which is why only the $150-200 highend versions of the Xbox/PlayStation controllers have them. Essentially Corsair's patent trolling is holding back back buttons from becoming a standard feature on controllers.
The 2 and 4 back button patents expire in 2031 and 2034 respectively.
[1] - https://scufgaming.com/patents
[2] - https://patents.google.com/patent/US11278797B2
[3] - https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US289828270
[4] - https://patents.google.com/patent/US9492744B2/ and https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220062756A1 and about 100 others
[5] - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6186428/ironburg-inventions-ltd-v-valve-corporation/
In 2021 the appeals court found that one of Valve's evidence for prior art[1], which had been denied to be used in the trial, should be allowed and that the board should reconsider Valve's arguments based off this new evidence.[2]
Yet another exhibit that we were doomed from the start and you should just try to enjoy what we have while it lasts because it's going to get a lot worse and only you will determine the moral compass of your social circle as progress becomes even more antisocial and every facet of reality deteriorates.
This is so pathetic what the frick, frick this company. I think the steam controller was pretty good and could use some tweaks but I can't believe it shut down production so quickly. Now I know why. Fricking buttholes
>$180 for a controller >a wireless controller at that
There are insane specialized controllers for some genres for barely more than that. Why would I buy a general controller for that much. Am I paying an extra $120 for a good d-pad, a bit more responsiveness, and some extra buttons. Ironically it has a lot of the features that the Deck controls have.
For those of you who might mistake what is obviously designed to mislead you into thinking it's a touch pad.
It is in fact, not.
It's literally nothing.
There is also no Gyro, despite being a PC controller and that being a gargantuan plus since you can actually use it in every game.
And no hall effect sticks either.
You're paying a $80 premium for 4 buttons on the back that can be assigned to act as the face buttons with their software.
TL;DR
It's an even bigger scam than their usual scam.
I grew up with the PS1 (so first dualshock), PS2 and PS3. I always found the xbox controller much better.
Only thing I prefer is the denomation of the buttons (R1/R2-L1/L2-triangle/x/circle/square).
>180 bucks >no hall effect joysticks
You can just buy a PS4 controller, get hall effect sticks from Aliexpress and get the same controller. Hell, even better, because unlike this garbage it actually has touchpad and gyro.
It is literally the number one way to get around the engineering problem with sticks that chink scammers sell to controller manufacturers by cheaping out and making things that grind apart.
>bluetooth or 2.4G >dock station >gyro >god-tier software >hall effect >analog above d-pad >SIXTY FRICKING BUCKS >60$
You all kneel before the best controller avaliable
>SCUF >constantly heard from this board that their $200 controllers broke >no hall effect sticks >holding back back paddles/buttons becoming a standard controller layout because of their patents >$180
Frick off. How can you hold the patent for back paddles/buttons but still have shitty back paddles/buttons?
>buttons?features? comfort? no that's le bad >ugly square hunk of hard plastic with gyro that only works on 1 game? oh my science now this is what I'm talking about!
Ganker really is filled with tendies isn't it? You're willing to settle for low quality Mad Catz-tier slop as long as it has the bing bing gimmick. Heaven forbid the thing you're holding actually feels good in your hands to use.
gyro controllers are becoming more popular in mainstream fps even on PC because autoaim is stronger than ever, there's a reason a lot of pro controllers are designed for that segment
its like how keyboards are more popular than ever for arcade games now
thats why people use tools like rewasd or the controller's software to hack in mouse movement with gyro
i dont play these games at all but review after review of these controllers talk about it when all i care for is dpad performance and latency so it must be important to the people who buy them
All that tech crammed into a $200 controller and they still cheaped out and used Alpine Alps cheapass potentiometers in the analog sticks making it's lifespan effectively one month of use and rendering all that other tech pointless. Sad.
>OEM controllers
The original manufacturers of Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony controllers are all Chinese factories you moron. Many of these "chink" controllers are made in the very same factories as the originals.
And those OEM controllers have baseline quality standards and designs that need to be met. These dogshit chink controllers don't. Yeah yeah everything is is assembled in china but it's certainly not designed there and they have much looser standards for the shit they create for themselves. Compared to when they actually have to adhere to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo's designs.
Does anyone have one of this?
They have so many kind of controllers I'm struggling to choose wich one to buy. My DualShock 4 is starting to show it's age.
I had one once and it keep getting problem after problem
kept disconnecting midgamee at full charge
I kept downloading firmware upsates for it but it did jack shit
>buy the chingchong 2 >thumbsticks feel fricking grainy and b button is sticky out of the box >doesn't get better after 2 weeks of use, b-button gets worse >send it back >new one comes with the same issues except the bumper is also depressed now >refund it
What Ganker fails to tell you about these chink controllers is that the quality control is beyond trash. What's the point in having indestructible sticks if the rest of the controller is garbage? At least with an original xbox/ps controller I can edit the deadzones and squeeze a few more years of life out of them. There's no coping your way out of chinkshit corner cutting.
Yep. b***h all you want about muh stick drift, the the official controllers are unmatched when it comes to their shell designs and overall quality control. With these chinkshits you have to play the lottery until you get a decent one.
I can't imagine any of these chinkshit controllers lasting 5 years. A controller with perfect sticks but broken everything else is still just a paper weight.
Why do people care about hall effect sticks all of a sudden?
You never hear anyone talk fondly about the Dreamcast stick. Barely anyone knows about that one batch of DS3 with hall effect sticks.
>Because stick drift is in everything now and really common.
More like because everyone is paranoid about Stick Drift since Joycon release.
There's basically two kinds of issues modern analog sticks can have. >stick drift
This is a Joycon-exclusive issue where the contact pads inside the stick get worn out due to shitty design.
It affects literally no other analog sticks. >getting loose over time
Has absolutely frick all to do with whether the stick has magnets or pots inside of it.
Either way they're both centered with springs and those springs get loose over time. Some spring designs are better and some are worse, however hall effect by itself does literally nothing to help this.
So far, the Xbox 360 still seems to be the best controller made. Steam controller is nice, but could use refinement. Unfortunate that Corsair is a bunch of fricks, apparently. Never knew about why they stopped making them.
>nonslip grip >durability
no, you can leave those in a drawer without touching them and they become a sticky fricking mess
the people want textured PBT, and only textured PBT
but you won't do that because you're cheap, you're just going to dip ABS in the rubberized plastic shit
just get gamesir g7 se. Cheap, hall effect analogilues and triggers and wired for max input latency or just gulikit kingkong 2 pro with hall efdect analogues, wireless capability and solid build
i like that gamesir controller with hall effect sticks and colored buttons, but that is a wired controller
is there a wireless version of that controller?
Doesn't bother me. I got mine. I use my PS5 for precision 2D platformers. I paid the scapler tax for these things as I missed the $5 sale, and that's still better than the piece of garbage the OP posted.
It is like they took all of the things that people regularly complain about and made it into a single controller. >Symmetric sticks >No gyro >Center of controller is wasted on a fake track pad >Inflated cost >Potentiometer analog sticks >Probably won't work with Steam Input or similar mapping software
Maybe a few of these won't matter to an individual, like how I prefer symmetric sticks, but it would be hard to find anyone left still interested after filtering through the whole list of problems.
pooping has finally been solved. this is perfection
wrong image
is that supposed to be longer, or shorter than a regular toilet?
gamepad gays are the Indians of gaming
Those stupid Xclusive nAmes™ always get me.
>$180
lol, I could buy an entire console for that. a pretty recent one too. i'll be happy with my $20 chinktroller, thank you very much.
dualshock-style controller with a probably actually good d-pad
interdasting
Controllers have finally been solved. This is perfection.
bawd
look if I can't bludgeon a man to death with my controller, it just isn't a good controller.
It’s just a dual sense that’s has a bunch of extra buttons I’ll never press and $100 added to the price tag
>so we just made it more mouse-like
>Two hundred dollarydoos plus tip
>Bluetooth
>No gyro
>No Hall sticks
>Back paddles AND back buttons, which can only be remapped to other buttons
>No replaceable battery
>No charging dock
5th point is on Microsoft for making xinput a piece of shit that doesn't support anything that the xpad doesn't
Never EVER buy anything from SCUF or corsair, they're scummy as frick.
SCUF, a small company owned by Corsair, owns over 120 patents (plus another 50 that are pending) for controllers, most of which are for back buttons.[1] Their back button patents range from just having 2 buttons on the back of a controller[2], to having 8 buttons of all different shapes and sizes and use cases[3] and everything in between.[4]
They sued Valve in 2015 over the Steam Controller's use of back paddles, and won the lawsuit in 2020 getting just over $4mil USD and forcing Valve to stop sales of the controller[5] (this is why Valve were selling them for $5 at the end of 2019, to get rid of all the stock).
Every controller with back buttons/paddles has to pay SCUF/Corsair to license their patent, which is why only the $150-200 highend versions of the Xbox/PlayStation controllers have them. Essentially Corsair's patent trolling is holding back back buttons from becoming a standard feature on controllers.
The 2 and 4 back button patents expire in 2031 and 2034 respectively.
[1] - https://scufgaming.com/patents
[2] - https://patents.google.com/patent/US11278797B2
[3] - https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=US289828270
[4] - https://patents.google.com/patent/US9492744B2/ and https://patents.google.com/patent/US20220062756A1 and about 100 others
[5] - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6186428/ironburg-inventions-ltd-v-valve-corporation/
In 2021 the appeals court found that one of Valve's evidence for prior art[1], which had been denied to be used in the trial, should be allowed and that the board should reconsider Valve's arguments based off this new evidence.[2]
[1] - https://web.archive.org/web/20101022215104/https://www.xboxer360.com/features/review-scuf-xbox-360-controller/
[2] - https://www.finnegan.com/a/web/qWGNoCwWY9tgCj8nWpvdDK/35veCd/201315_valvecorporation_v_ironburginventions.pdf
thanks
this is why i support chinks violating IP
keeps shit affordable for the rest of us
Same, but it is unfortunate that games will never be designed with back buttons in mind because of this.
Yet another exhibit that we were doomed from the start and you should just try to enjoy what we have while it lasts because it's going to get a lot worse and only you will determine the moral compass of your social circle as progress becomes even more antisocial and every facet of reality deteriorates.
Patent trolling is something that's existed for as long as the patent office has been a thing.
This is so pathetic what the frick, frick this company. I think the steam controller was pretty good and could use some tweaks but I can't believe it shut down production so quickly. Now I know why. Fricking buttholes
this homie doesn't even have hall effect sticks.
>Symmetrical
Into the dumpster it goes
>drifts in 1 year
FINALLY SOLVED *until warranty ends
>iCUE build in
That shit crashes every 5 minutes and no update seems to fix it.
>rainbow shit
thats for tranoids, i choose the controler
Keyboard and mouse is for office work
Does it have a gyro though
asking the real question here anon
>$180 for a controller
>a wireless controller at that
There are insane specialized controllers for some genres for barely more than that. Why would I buy a general controller for that much. Am I paying an extra $120 for a good d-pad, a bit more responsiveness, and some extra buttons. Ironically it has a lot of the features that the Deck controls have.
>Concave d-pad
why would they ruin a good design with this shit?
For those of you who might mistake what is obviously designed to mislead you into thinking it's a touch pad.
It is in fact, not.
It's literally nothing.
There is also no Gyro, despite being a PC controller and that being a gargantuan plus since you can actually use it in every game.
And no hall effect sticks either.
You're paying a $80 premium for 4 buttons on the back that can be assigned to act as the face buttons with their software.
TL;DR
It's an even bigger scam than their usual scam.
>Scorpion is a Pennsylvania citizen
Explains the bloody mindedness
why is this getting shilled so much
Because it is overpriced, they are desperate to find anyone to buy this thing.
>180 US dollars
Anyone who buys this piece of shit is, literally, moronic.
don't care i'm still gonna buy a gameSIR for 3500 rupees
>nearly 200 bucks
>no gyro
>no hall effect
>by Scuf
>iCue bullshit
>symmetrical sticks
When did perfection get redefined to mean "utter trash"?
>symmetrical sticks
while i agree with the rest i have never understood the logic behind people hating on the symmetrical sticks.
It just works.
Symmetrical sticks means asymmetrical thumb placement
why not move the right stick up too then?
Then the sticks wouldn't be symmetrical anymore
It's simply people who grew up with the 360 as their first console.
nah, i had a ps1 and ps2
this changed my opinion while I was playing Fable
I loved that chunky frick of a controller.
you mean playstation and the dualshock
I grew up with the PS1 (so first dualshock), PS2 and PS3. I always found the xbox controller much better.
Only thing I prefer is the denomation of the buttons (R1/R2-L1/L2-triangle/x/circle/square).
>180 bucks
>no hall effect joysticks
You can just buy a PS4 controller, get hall effect sticks from Aliexpress and get the same controller. Hell, even better, because unlike this garbage it actually has touchpad and gyro.
>bunch of basic shit with added on flowery words that every controller has
>dude that'll be $200 with tax bro 😉
>le hall effects
Overblown issue. I still have 360 and ps3 controllers that have perfect sticks.
earlier dualshock 3s had HE modules
It is literally the number one way to get around the engineering problem with sticks that chink scammers sell to controller manufacturers by cheaping out and making things that grind apart.
And I have 360 controller that drift, your point being?
Imagine using a fricking D-PAD above Analog AHHAHAHAHA
are the sticks easily replaceable?
>$179.99
Never gonna pay more than $50 for a pad and that's pushing it.
>bluetooth or 2.4G
>dock station
>gyro
>god-tier software
>hall effect
>analog above d-pad
>SIXTY FRICKING BUCKS
>60$
You all kneel before the best controller avaliable
are the sticks easily replaceable?
>shaped like a fat dildo and creaks like your mothers bed at night
It's trash.
Give me one controller that beats 8bitdo U unter that pricetag and I'll cuck your wife for free this weekend
shit tier BT per 8bitdo
shit tier dpad
frick off shill
>third party dreck
>$180
>180 bucks for a chinkware piece of plastic
>SCUF
>constantly heard from this board that their $200 controllers broke
>no hall effect sticks
>holding back back paddles/buttons becoming a standard controller layout because of their patents
>$180
Frick off. How can you hold the patent for back paddles/buttons but still have shitty back paddles/buttons?
someone post the N64 controller pic
I’d pay $100 but no more
>buttons?features? comfort? no that's le bad
>ugly square hunk of hard plastic with gyro that only works on 1 game? oh my science now this is what I'm talking about!
Ganker really is filled with tendies isn't it? You're willing to settle for low quality Mad Catz-tier slop as long as it has the bing bing gimmick. Heaven forbid the thing you're holding actually feels good in your hands to use.
gyro controllers are becoming more popular in mainstream fps even on PC because autoaim is stronger than ever, there's a reason a lot of pro controllers are designed for that segment
its like how keyboards are more popular than ever for arcade games now
Where? Almost none of the more popular FPS games even implement gyro as an option and the only shooter where gyro is even encouraged is Splatoon.
What console FPS games ARE starting to implement however is Mouse and Keyboard support.
thats why people use tools like rewasd or the controller's software to hack in mouse movement with gyro
i dont play these games at all but review after review of these controllers talk about it when all i care for is dpad performance and latency so it must be important to the people who buy them
All that tech crammed into a $200 controller and they still cheaped out and used Alpine Alps cheapass potentiometers in the analog sticks making it's lifespan effectively one month of use and rendering all that other tech pointless. Sad.
If you buy this instead of 3-4 solid chinese ones you have a serious case of dogbrain.
Or just get 3 Dualshock or Xbox controllers, that shit will literally last you decades
I buy OEM controllers that last the lifespan of 3-4 chink controllers combined.
chink controllers gained traction because OEM ones kept failing AND more expensive
>OEM controllers
The original manufacturers of Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony controllers are all Chinese factories you moron. Many of these "chink" controllers are made in the very same factories as the originals.
And those OEM controllers have baseline quality standards and designs that need to be met. These dogshit chink controllers don't. Yeah yeah everything is is assembled in china but it's certainly not designed there and they have much looser standards for the shit they create for themselves. Compared to when they actually have to adhere to Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo's designs.
>OEM controllers have baseline quality standards and designs that need to be met
Does anyone have one of this?
They have so many kind of controllers I'm struggling to choose wich one to buy. My DualShock 4 is starting to show it's age.
only the 2.4ghz M30 is good
I had one once and it keep getting problem after problem
kept disconnecting midgamee at full charge
I kept downloading firmware upsates for it but it did jack shit
Never buying one again
Just bought the cheap wireless one to use on my PC a couple weeks ago. No serious problems so far. It's a little small but that's the worst of it
I'll wait for a non-chinese company to make one
>Symmetrical
Gross.
Where are the hall effect sticks?
>No Hall sticks
>No gyro
>$180
>PC only
how can you make a controller PC only? What happen when you plug it into a Xbox?
>DilatationStation layout.
NO
>buy the chingchong 2
>thumbsticks feel fricking grainy and b button is sticky out of the box
>doesn't get better after 2 weeks of use, b-button gets worse
>send it back
>new one comes with the same issues except the bumper is also depressed now
>refund it
What Ganker fails to tell you about these chink controllers is that the quality control is beyond trash. What's the point in having indestructible sticks if the rest of the controller is garbage? At least with an original xbox/ps controller I can edit the deadzones and squeeze a few more years of life out of them. There's no coping your way out of chinkshit corner cutting.
I just don't understand why you'd buy chinkshit instead of an Xbox/Sony/Nintendo controller which will last you a minimum of 5 years
Yep. b***h all you want about muh stick drift, the the official controllers are unmatched when it comes to their shell designs and overall quality control. With these chinkshits you have to play the lottery until you get a decent one.
I can't imagine any of these chinkshit controllers lasting 5 years. A controller with perfect sticks but broken everything else is still just a paper weight.
>$180
>no turbo
>no macro
Why do people care about hall effect sticks all of a sudden?
You never hear anyone talk fondly about the Dreamcast stick. Barely anyone knows about that one batch of DS3 with hall effect sticks.
>Why do people care about hall effect sticks all of a sudden?
Because stick drift is in everything now and really common.
>Because stick drift is in everything now and really common.
More like because everyone is paranoid about Stick Drift since Joycon release.
There's basically two kinds of issues modern analog sticks can have.
>stick drift
This is a Joycon-exclusive issue where the contact pads inside the stick get worn out due to shitty design.
It affects literally no other analog sticks.
>getting loose over time
Has absolutely frick all to do with whether the stick has magnets or pots inside of it.
Either way they're both centered with springs and those springs get loose over time. Some spring designs are better and some are worse, however hall effect by itself does literally nothing to help this.
>symmetrical sticks
No hall effect sticks? Into the trash. I would've loved an Xbox controller with a ps layout, but no hall effect no buy. Tired of analog drift.
>Corsair
>mechanical buttons that work like mouse-clicks
So half of the buttons will stop working with in a month?
Does it not have gyro? Better luck next time I guess
So far, the Xbox 360 still seems to be the best controller made. Steam controller is nice, but could use refinement. Unfortunate that Corsair is a bunch of fricks, apparently. Never knew about why they stopped making them.
>no gyro
>shitty Dpad
>no back buttons
lmao
uh bro where is the track pad?
>icue
so it barely works
>no hall effect sticks
and in the trash it goes
>no hall sticks
Worthless trash.
>nonslip grip
>durability
no, you can leave those in a drawer without touching them and they become a sticky fricking mess
the people want textured PBT, and only textured PBT
but you won't do that because you're cheap, you're just going to dip ABS in the rubberized plastic shit
just get gamesir g7 se. Cheap, hall effect analogilues and triggers and wired for max input latency or just gulikit kingkong 2 pro with hall efdect analogues, wireless capability and solid build
i like that gamesir controller with hall effect sticks and colored buttons, but that is a wired controller
is there a wireless version of that controller?
>no hall effect sticks
lmfao
>no trackpads
A lot of shill threads for this piece of trash lately
Do any controllers have track pads apart from the Steam controller?
A few, including one really funky one.
Doesn't bother me. I got mine. I use my PS5 for precision 2D platformers. I paid the scapler tax for these things as I missed the $5 sale, and that's still better than the piece of garbage the OP posted.
hope no moron actually spends $200 on a xontroller
It is like they took all of the things that people regularly complain about and made it into a single controller.
>Symmetric sticks
>No gyro
>Center of controller is wasted on a fake track pad
>Inflated cost
>Potentiometer analog sticks
>Probably won't work with Steam Input or similar mapping software
Maybe a few of these won't matter to an individual, like how I prefer symmetric sticks, but it would be hard to find anyone left still interested after filtering through the whole list of problems.
why shill for a corporstion that has no idea or care of who you are
you have been repeating this thread all day