If I was your boss, after seeing this I could say to you >suck my wiener or pack your shit up and go home
after all, you're free to leave, so it's all consensual, right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then work for someone who isn't a pervert
2 years ago
Anonymous
The point is that wage labor being "voluntary" doesn't mean it's not coercive.
People have to work in order to live. Telling people "just run away" is like telling slaves to do the same.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this is true today to an extent, though if someone REALLY wants to get awat without work they can in most cases.
but FREE market will only work really well once people get the possibility to opt out. everyone should be supplied with shelter, food and internet regardless if they work or not, but all other parts of state expenditure should be cut to 0. and once food production / commbieblock manufacturing are automatized these necessities should be possible to receive without relying on taking money from people who don't want to give it to you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the issue is that everyone in the status quo, from central bankers and politicians to heads of educational institutes and leadership of state owned companies are counter interested in letting people get away without work because that's what their entire power structure is based on. they're the real enemy of freedom, not corporations.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that's what their entire power structure is based on
that is, forcing people to partake in work they have no genuine interest in.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon...are you fricking 12?
2 years ago
Anonymous
nah, just not a low iq hopeless brainwashed commie, like you
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Calling anybody else low IQ after posting something freshers would be embarrassed to admit they wrote
Not gonna make it Anon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Calling anybody else low IQ after posting something freshers would be embarrassed to admit they wrote
Not gonna make it Anon.
>lacks the mental capacity to comprehend something so his npc brain immediately copes by telling itself it makes no sense
yep that's how leftists are formed
2 years ago
Anonymous
but that is realities fault not mine.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nature forces you to labor and work not to die.
If you are unhappy about it, kys
I'm not the one in denial about reality, it's the lolbertarians who think every worker is an informed salesman and marketer of his own labor that have trouble processing it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If your job sucks and your boss wants you to suck him off you dont need to be an informed salesman or whatever to know you should go looking for another one.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No shit, this isn't an advice collumn moron. It was a hypothetical example standing in for millions of less extreme ones.
And your repeated response is "just leave the hypothetical." And go where? All jobs are coercive, because ultimately you have to hand off the shit you make to someone else who gets to decide what to do with it.
This "concentual selling of the product of your labor" is a delusion on the same level of absurdity as thinking taxes are voluntary. >Don't like taxes? Don't pay them 😉
same shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Libertarians think that humans act purposefully to attain their wants. that doesn't mean we think they act 100% rationally or always make the best choice. Read human action.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, and what if the best way to "attain their wants" is to collectively bargain with their employer for higher wages, to tell their elected representatives to enshrine their labor rights into laws and regulations, etc. etc. etc.?
Seems like that's pretty clearly in their material interest to do so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well legislation is completely uneeded since workers could just collectively bargain for both higher wages and labor rights and threaten to quit if their employer refused to comply. Like many people in this thread have pointed out regulated unions in america are a disaster and they do nothing but eat up money.
But assuming pursuing that is the best action for workers to take, some might not choose to do so for some reason or another. like I just said libertarians dont claim that people act rationally, jut that they take actions to attain their wants.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nature forces you to labor and work not to die.
If you are unhappy about it, kys
I'm Canadian and I found out we actually pay about the exact same amount of our income in taxes as Americans do. We have better infrastructure, free healthcare, college that doesn't cost 100k for a 4-year degree. What exactly do American taxes even go towards? Genuine question
the exact same things, except the contractors that the money is used on actually control the government instead of just having massive, immoral and illegal influence
see americans paying more taxes for healthcare (before and after obamacare, in case there's any mouthbreathers itt) while also having worse healthcare both private and public by any metrics
I'm not especially anti-union, but Lou is such a shitty character. In an environment where Lynx is supposed to be super anti-union, this dumb b***h is out there subscribing everyone she's known for 1 day to the top-seekrit forbidden union newsletter. Joining the same union as her seems like it's destined to end badly for everyone.
And they push the union shit on you way too early. Before you've even had time to form an opinion on your long-term prospects.
I'm at the point in my playthrough where the Industrial Action is available.. I've paid off all my gear, got access to profitable ships and got nearly every upgrade. My daily expenses are a pittance.. I've only used two spares due to strange physics interactions, and their cost is barely noticeable - I spend more on tethers most days (totally worth it too).
Life is fricking peachy... working for Lynx feels like living on easy street. How incompetent are the rest of these diversity hires that they fear a life of servitude? The more I play, the more it seems that the writers and game designers at Blackbird aren't on the same page about unionization.
My brother unironically acts like right, even bragged about how he wouldn't sign in for the first hour of his shift until I kept calling him a cuck for working for free
My union just collects our money, makes us go on strike, doesn't guarantee the employer does what they agreed to, asks for far too much/not the right stuff, something like 30% or so goes to just the board members salary, another 30% for charity and activist causes, then our cut gets us a really shitty health insurance.
Yeah unions are good though. Totally not able to be corrupt like the government. It's not like any organization could be prone to corruption.
no honest person would ever need unions, it just for parasites who want to leech of others people work under the pretense of equality
and here is a perfect example
The devs are incompetent and already confirmed that VR won't be happening.
>commies dont want to share >has to rely on others people work
but at least they put effort into unskippable audio logs to lecture you about unions
>We said we'd make the game moddable.
empty promise to get more money from people >Turned out to make the game it couldn't reasonably be moddable.
they didnt work on their game, they hired 3rd parties to do their job for them and didnt even bother to explain what they want/need for the game, if it were just small parts of the game they could easily be replaced but >Admit they fricked up.
now they are just trying to save face for "future projects" and doing nothing to address the issue ala not gonna waste money on this, if those hired 3rd parties were fairly compensated and talked to, there would be no legal action needed
Mate using 3rd party programs is hugely different than hired a 3rd party. The fact you don't understand this invalidates pretty much everything you have to say about game development. There isn't a single game you've played that hasn't used 3rd party programs during development.
>game wont have mods because it uses 3rd party programs >There isn't a single game you've played that hasn't used 3rd party programs during development.
yet tons of games have mods, so why dont you take your own fact and show it up your ass
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's easy to magic up a solution to every problem when you have no fricking clue what the problem is, so let me open the black box of game development a bit so morons like you can see what's going on inside.
Firstly, Photoshop is 3rd party software, it's a pretty big umbrella term. You can mod Bethesda games because while you have the Speedtree assets in the game, Speedtree itself isn't built into the Creation Kit. Likewise, Visualstudio isn't built into the engine for Papyrus development. That isn't always the case though.
Shipbreaker seems to have a license for Wwise, which is a somewhat common audio solution for (particularly) Unity games that also handles things like reverb, mixing, attenuation, and modulation. It is completely attached to the engine however, and can't be unhooked without ripping out everything audio related in the game as well. Distributing a version of the engine that only has the level design tools (something that probably doesn't exist, because why would it) would either mean separating it from the main engine, or building a new compatible version of the Hardspace engine from scrap.
It's bullshit, but a completely understandable problem for a studio not have the time, manpower, engineering talent, or even just sourcecode access to do that task. The lack of further updates, DLC announcements, and even a fourth tool, implies to me that the game was a budget project, and probably had to cut the idea of mod support midway through development.
The problem is that capitalism isn’t the great evil, or the (socialist) state, or the corporations, or the labor unions. It’s bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is the most wretched invention of mankind. And in the modern world a labor union is not a collection of your colleagues working together to fight for their share, it’s a bureauceacy you hope to pit against a different bureaucracy. You can’t control a bureaucracy, you can’t participate in a bureaucracy, you can’t reason with it or threaten it, it is an utterly inhuman collection of rules and procedures. It’s like a computer program made of meat.
Yeah a lot of other devs would have just played all of the chats during gameplay or put it in optional logs. Someone on the team thought their writing was too good to allow skipping
Red scare propaganda instilled into them for a century + fricked up puritan protestant pseudomorals + deeply consumerist culture that encourages them to side with lifestyles and products
either you've never been in an union or you're an idiot for not noticing they're just another way of being controlled and exploited only with more intermediaries, more unemployment, and less money
Hahahahahahahahahaha what in the frick are you even on about c**t? The 40 hour work week, paid sick days, mandatory holiday pay, paid maternity leave, legally required rest break time, WHS regulations and outlawing child labour are all because of unions you absolute bellend.
Sounds like they have a shitty crutch "system" for making ships. Developing tools for development is often as important as the final product, especially in videogames.
After the second time they manually pieced together their lego block designed ships, they should have focused on creating tools to do the job for them.
But instead we got 2 new ships in 2 years
>richgays come on Ganker bragging about how they get paid six figures to do 3 hours of work a week
>they also screech and cry that people who actually work and keep everything running have unions
All you need to know right there. Once someone becomes a bloated parasite like HR, managers and software developers, it's pretty much some edgy richgays on the same team as trannies and israelites against the rest of us.
I'm not a commie, I just don't like the idea of sucking other men's wieners for the privilege to eat the crumbs that fall at their feet. How about you go and clean up a dead prostitute in the hotel of an oil barons bastard child you brainwashed dork.
Once again we must remind eurotards that American unions were coopted by crime families and are now coopted and controlled by Ferguson and Vanguard esque funds. Our unions are one good one for every four that are malicious and a way to embezzle illegally.
>banned unions >banned strikes >banned bargaining >banned wage negotiation
Hitler being good for workers, even just white German workers, is the meme of all memes
Yes, this is what Starbucks and Amazon employees are doing, pretending like the only way to unionize is to join an existing structure that totally totally is corrupt we promise just keep working under shit conditions for scraps is corporate brain rot propaganda. Literally just create your own union with your fellow workers and you get to decide exactly how corrupt it is yourself.
First you need to realize what touched America that made it shit, but you're too stupid to understand history or actual causation
Eitherway it's going to be very bad for you soon
why do americans hate unions? why do they hate basic human rights? why do americans force themselves to work until they die of old age while still paying taxes?
I don't hate unions inherently I hate when unions become bloated predatory organizations just as bad or even worse than the corporations they were supposed to be fighting against.
A union should be a grass rights movement that forms when necessary to fight on behalf of the workers for specific goals and then once those goals are met it should dissolve. But the moment unions start forcibly extracting financial tribute from workers without consent and turning into bureaucratic organizations with overhead costs and board members that get paid salaries of millions of dollars a year who exactly are they helping any more?
I don't like corporations screwing me over for profit
However I also don't like unions doing it either.
too bad, an union is your only option you have when it comes to negotiating with your higher-ups unless you're already a big shot yourself
you can complain all you want about how it's not a perfect option, but unless you can think of something better, all you're really doing is concern trolling
>too bad, an union is your only option you have when it comes to negotiating with your higher-ups unless you're already a big shot yourself
Which is why I said I support grass roots unions.
Why does a union need an office head quarters? Why does a union rep need to make millions of dollars a year which is extracted through nonconsensual payment forcibly taken from union members?
> but unless you can think of something better
Just don't do the things mentioned above, it's not difficult at all.
the union should protect the workers not exploit them for personal gain.
I don't hate unions inherently I hate when unions become bloated predatory organizations just as bad or even worse than the corporations they were supposed to be fighting against.
A union should be a grass rights movement that forms when necessary to fight on behalf of the workers for specific goals and then once those goals are met it should dissolve. But the moment unions start forcibly extracting financial tribute from workers without consent and turning into bureaucratic organizations with overhead costs and board members that get paid salaries of millions of dollars a year who exactly are they helping any more?
I don't like corporations screwing me over for profit
However I also don't like unions doing it either.
You got no chance negotiating with the employer unless without a similar structure on the workers end.
Yes but it doesn't need to be permanent
There is no good reason union reps should be getting fat off of the exploitation of the workers.
How are they any better than the exploitative business owners if they are doing the exact same bullshit?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It’s funny how this line from the anti union people doesn’t match their own rhetoric about work, here’s what it would look like if they were consistent: >union management is doing valuable work fighting for better benefits/pay/etc >ergo they deserve to be payed well
Instead corporate dicksuckers call them corrupt which is hilarious considering their views on corporate management, who are orders of magnitude more corrupt across the board
It's a moronic "Grift/hard labor/pull yourself by your bootstraps" mentality that was never made with a limit in mind.
The concept of helping has been perverted into a sense of weakness.
The concept of actual solidarity and establishing limits has been perverted into globohomo, muh soshuleesam and again being weak.
The concept of pride in being useful to society with hard work has been perverted and abused into suffering constant right-breaking crunch times and paycuts.
Pride and Fear of Reclusion has and will continue to always be, exploited by manipulators to rope their staff into working more for far less.
They dont want to help anything, including themselves because that is seen as not chad and weak.
Have to deal with morons at job because they're with the union and basically can't be fired as long as they don't kill someone, despite being a mental and physical drain on the company & employees.
Unions are fine, small scale, especially when those kinds of people 'go missing' but that doesn't happen, anymore. Also because of shit like police unions that keep terrible cops on the streets.
If you've interacted with unions, they leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Fine on paper. Bad in practice (occasionally)
>The first job I ever had was a union job >I worked there for two years paying union dues >One day a customer complained about me "winking" at her ( I have tourette's which in my case manifests as a twitching eye lid) >I get fired on the spot >Call my union rep and tell them I got fired for a medical condition >Rep: "lol sucks to be you"
Why the hell would anyone want to support an organization that does nothing but leech money from your paycheck just to make the union execs money and not have your back at all?
having dealt w executives in the past, this is 100% correct.
whenever they can pinch a penny at your expense, they WILL pinch a penny at your expense AND expect you to smile about it as well.
>endless effort that went into building up the story >game still has FOUR FRICKING SHIPS
How the frick anyone can find this even vaguely acceptable is beyond me
The game might actually be decent if they spent less time on shitting unskippable monologues, horrible characters and """Storytelling""" and instead made it so there's more than 4 ships in the entire game.
A horrible storyline atop a reasonably fleshed out game is a shame, but, it pays off.
A horrible storyline atop a clearly unfinished and shallow game is just a disaster.
Only reason I tolerated the union storyline is cause Hal was almost a 1 for 1 of a dickbag Obese manager I had down to the voice, and how he was constantly cucking Weaver, who was like my direct supervisor.
Lou was hard to stomach, but damn if Hal really screamed incompetent middle manager.
>dev makes a side project for fun/practice/little bit of income and releases it >hurr durr why isn't this a full AAA game with a million hours of unique content
>Work for 15 minutes a day >Get your own home >Earn relatively large amounts of money >Able to pay off your debt within a fairly short space of time >Able to own your own ship and other luxuries >Black woman yelling to you every 5 minutes about how work is too hard and we need to unionise
Wtf does she want? To work 10 minutes every day instead?
I'd always assumed the 15 minute thing was just an abstraction... but treating it as a literal 15 minute workday that Lou moans about constantly is far funnier.
The game literally tells you in the tutorial its 15 minutes for real because of radiation. So yeah its actually 15 minute work days and you make thousands each time
I pretty much played the main storyline alone, and they introduce the ships/different difficulty levels to maneuver pretty well. 100%'d the game by just playing it. People complain a lot about the 4 ship designs, and I'd say that goes towards the replayability aspect of the game more than anything. The different levels of ships had different parts, connections, and new tiers of stuff you had to deal with and learn the most efficient way to cut and break down. Improving my time and seeing how quick I could reach best clear level, cutting everything down to 2 to 1.5 shifts at most was an enjoyable process.
I feel like if there was a few more Hazards presented better it'd have been more interesting though, as it stands the radiation panels are barely a hazard at all.
Repetition though is just a part of the whole job sim thing. I thought the random audiologs you found while working inbetween the story did a good job at making things interesting.
Compared to a lot of indie games this executes and nails the gameplay loop extremely well for the genre it's in. It looks beautiful while you're playing the game, and they've nailed their own neat style.
> Corporations.
Pay no tax. Use lobbying to give themselves fat government handouts. Are brute-forcing SJW bullshit to become normalized. > Unions.
Are the reason you get paid a proper wage instead of slaving in mines for wealthy landowners. Are the reason why modern society is as wealthy as it is. > Meanwhile in America.
Unions bad! Dey is currupt! Because... uhhh... because the media company that is owned by the corps says so!
Americans are hands down the dumbest people on the planet. Imagine being this conditioned that you give away the rights your grandfathers fought hard for. Despicable nation of absolute rats.
>Are the reason you get paid a proper wage instead of slaving in mines for wealthy landowners. Are the reason why modern society is as wealthy as it is.
outside of trades unions are barely a thing. Cope
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The irony is that nobody with a brain should attempt to upset the company that gives you such a great job opportunity where you are paid royalties for every part of the space ships that are provided to you free of charge and you are never penalized by producing waste.
It's a pure, merit based occupation and once you pay off the meme debt, it's all profit directly into your pocket from there on out.
Why the frick would you even need a Union?
Who cares when you make fat fricking bank just working you shifts?
They pay you an insane amount of money and don't even care what you do with the ship.
You can lug the entire thing into the furnace and end your shift after 5 minutes and they still hand you a giant stack of money.
did you pay attention to the story? Lynx adds new fees whenever someone's close to getting out of debt, most characters mention something about this at least once
They never actually pay any shipbreakers anything
Does that actually happen once you pay off your debt? It sure as frick didn't when I played prior to 1.0
Profits are generated from your work, and some boss has decided what percentage of it to give to you.
It literally doesn't matter how "fat" the total is, it's about the percentage, and about not having a say in the decision.
Even if it's a sweet deal, a union would give workers the ability to hold onto it in the future.
Isn't the debt repayment message literally just >sorry, we got you a new manager, and he found a whole bunch of fees we ~~*forgot*~~ to account for. We'll just keep you here until we recalculate your debt
Used to be. That's not the case anymore, you have to complete your debt to beat the game (but like 80% of it gets knocked off by completing the story).
did you pay attention to the story? Lynx adds new fees whenever someone's close to getting out of debt, most characters mention something about this at least once
They never actually pay any shipbreakers anything
dudes a brainlet, of course he did not play the game through. its like the foreman, he made it out of debt, was planning on traveling and all of that, and they instantly give him a promotion without his say, and then put him another like 10 years into debt. in the game its literally slave labor, anything from air canisters to thrusters are tacked onto debt you have. they give you a place to live and food, but you basically have 0 money for the most part.
i completed the game moron. you dont get paid, you have no money. if you break ships fast enough they give you linx tokens that can be used as an upgrade system, anything else related to money only increases your debt. you dont get a paycheck at the end of each day, they just apply it directly to your debt.
i cant believe you are bootlicking for a fictional dystopian as frick company like lynx
>barebones gameplay >no variety >shitty forced narrative >lots of broken promises >35$
The devs are scam artists and people are defending them just because they push their fairy tales. >m-muh unions good in vidya
It was hard to take the "muh unions" message seriously when LYNX was an obvious exaggerated parody of evil corporations. That, combined with the game making your supposedly miserable slave labor job pretty fun completely undermined the preachy narrative. If they really wanted to the point across they should have made the job suck in ways that weren't just flavortext, but then it would have been a shitty game.
Also Lou is an annoying Black person, I'd work for LYNX for a thousand years just to piss that noisy c**t off.
It's an absolute shame that, besides decompression and tier 2 reactors, extra hazard levels only add puzzles for babies
I wish shipbreaking was actually as dangerous and easy to frick up as they imply it is in the story
Why would a evil company in a dystopian nightmare give their expendable slave labours access to experimental technology anyway? completely nonsensical.
My company wants me to become an engineer because I have the credentials and education for it but I work as a tech assembler which is the only unionized position in the organization and I have three times more PTO per year and only engineers who have been at the company for 7 years actually make more money than me. Lol
Yeah. I literally do low effort grunt work and get paid more than most of the actual engineers because I'm unionized. Of course I would brag about that.
EICR Testers aren't engineers, It's literally a 12 week cert. You've fell for company propaganda and didn't even realize it, your like the sandwich maker that called themselves a sandwich technician.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have no idea what you're even talking about at this point. You're actually stupid as frick. At no point did I say I was an engineer.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hello I'd like a meatball marinara and diet coke please.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession. Also you should probably consider exercise instead of drinking diet coke you fat moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
poor slave thinks he has the right to brag when he's being scammed. stop being a dumbass lol
700$ a year is 34 cents an hour, if you work 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year.
If your union gets you a 35 cent per hour raise, that's a profit. On average union workers are paid 11.2% more
https://www.epi.org/press/union-workers-are-paid-11-2-more-and-have-greater-access-to-health-insurance-and-paid-sick-days-than-their-nonunion-counterparts-policymakers-must-strengthen-workers-ability-to-form-unions/
11.2% of the MINIMUM WAGE of 7.25$ an hour is 83 cents. The conclusion of this fricking basic math is that joining a union is 1) profitable and 2) obviously worth it. If you're worried about money, you get more in the long run by joining a union.
And just for bonus points, ask why a corporation would spend time and money convincing workers NOT to join a union. You think they care about your welfare? At the cost of their own profits? Don't be naive. These posters only happen because it's cheaper for companies to have non-unionized workers.
Because if you're not in a union, YOU GET PAID LESS.
That's assuming your union does shit numbnuts, or that your raise was the result of the union, many of them don't do shit but expect you to pay every month and you don't get a choice in the matter. Funny enough these unions tend to be the ones provided to minimum wage workers
The numbers provided were national, on average it’s worth it to join a union, there will be exceptions such as (lol) unions that the corporation sets up, but those are literally there to stop actual unionization and you can just form your own union to get actual benefits
After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a waterlogged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.
When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab hasn't.
Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust, or corporation
There's not much in terms of exploration. It's more like space Legos >t. Several hundred hours
The shit you can accomplish is pretty wild, though. Even with just vanilla unmodded
Unions are obsolete, most of their demands have been met decades ago and all they do now is either get money from actual workers to waste or fricking tax money, all to be activists for the most globalist commie WEF shit that actually hurts workers and all the woke shit that is trendy now.
And this fricking game was perfectly good at showing the corporation was oppressive and evil without homosexuals yapping in your ear, without the ability to skip any of it, about the most fricking childishly moronic "corpo bad" story ever made.
>American workers are literally better off being in racketeering organizations ran by the mob
Everyday I wake up and thank God I was not born an American.
Decent game. Fun mechanics. But I stopped playing because the mandatory dialogue was annoying as frick. I just want to cut ships with tangible progression. locking that behind dialogue that even if you were pro union is still annoying.
Unions are only good if the people in them are all competent and want to work. The problem is that unions are full of dumbass lazy fricking idiots who drag the entire concept down who don't work and keep getting fired and rehired because the union protects them.
>>Work for UPS >Work hard >Get promotion >Team lead >Same guy working with me for 4 years gets nothing >Unionize (back in 2011) >Guy gets fired >Talks to union >Gets rehired >Guy gets fired again >Talks to union >Rehired AGAIN >Back on my team >No one fricking wants him because he fricking sucks and keeps getting fired
>Work for corporation >Some moron who does package handling b***hing about CEOs making 10x as much as him, and how he doesn't get raises
>Continually fricks up orders, shows up late, goes on long smoke breaks, can barely communicate, has no skills, did not go to college, made D's and F's in High School
>During a presentation given by the CEO which was part of a 2 hour company retreat, the CEO had to give long speeches, all prepared, had to present information, talk about stocks, business, new products, and understand everything about them
>moron proceeds to talk shit and say that he knows the products because he works with them every single day and asks the stupidest fricking questions
>Quits the job and goes on welfare and comes back randomly all the time now, for no reason, no one even likes him
The CEO is literally traveling 6 days of the week, is never home, and is visiting offices all over the country and in Germany. I think he's home 2 months out of the year. He literally works 6 am to midnight and he's on conference calls at 6 am with germans and at 6 pm with americans.
There are bad CEOs, yeah, but most of them are literally penultimate wagies. They get paid because they sacrifice their entire lives. You probably think a CEO is some cartoonish villain that swims in gold coins.
I don't "act like" anything.
Are you unaware that most companies aren't owned by one person, but have a board of major stakeholders that do absolutely no work? That shareholders of those companies also do no work in exchange for their profits?
As someone who REALLY seems to vale putting in hours on a job, you'd think that would disgust you beyond words.
>hey did you know if you own something you can get benefits from that
Oh wow anon, I finally understand how the world works because you explained that to me.
>>hey did you know if you own something you can get benefits from that >Oh wow anon, I finally understand how the world works because you explained that to me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well yeah if I do own sugarcane I get to sell that sugarcane.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I have mony >I hire someone to do work for me >That makes me more money >I hire more people
So somehow, I'm supposed to... Just... do the same work as the people I'm hiring too?
2 years ago
Anonymous
To be clear, you think slavery is wrong because slave owners didn't work alongside the slaves?
Because they actually did, so I'm really unsure how you got that from my post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Previously >have money >hire people to work for me >make bank >reward people that helped me make bank
Now >have money >hire people to work for me >make bank >tell my workers they are all shitters that deserve to homeless even though without them I would not be so wealthy. >buy their houses >evict them >do more evil things
I think workers deserve a say in what happens to the products of their labor, and how the profits are meted out.
Democracy, basically. It's a belief I have.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Workers already get paid for their labor. Why exactly do you think they should have a say in what it produces?
2 years ago
Anonymous
can you try reading the post you replied to again but using your eyes this time
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't dodge the question, anon. Why exactly do you have this belief about workers deserving a say in the product of their labor?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do you think they should be excluded from the decision?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because they have no ownership of the product and therefore no rights to determine what happens to it. You trade your labor for money. You can't claim more benefits from the thing you've already sold. When I buy your car used you no longer get to drive it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
"ownership" is a concept enforced by laws, not by nature or morality.
A slave doesn't "own" themselves, thier master does, and so because they have no ownership of the produce, slaves have no rights to determine what happens to themselves.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah you've figured out slavery, good job, we can finally understand it now. Morality definitely covers ownership though. If someone works hard to create something is it not morally wrong for me to simply take it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No anon, I was quoting you. You figured out slavery, and gave an admirable defense of it.
Because if the law (government) says a person owns something (or someone), who am I to disagree, right?
very "libertarian" of you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You seem to not understand the difference between selling your labor and having it stripped from you. You know willful ignorance gets so tiresome, right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's a distinction without a difference.
Say X is "what a worker deserves." Then is 50% of X slave wages? Is 1%? When does it become coercive?
Your only answer will be "get another job," i.e. ignoring that were talking about a system of millions of workers, not just one dude.
And if the workers have no say in the enterprise, workers have no say in the determination of X.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Get another job is not the only answer. Get another skillset works best if you want to be paid more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>skill aquisition
i.e. unpaid labor.
Again, when does the coercion kick in? A penny an hour?
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not unpaid. You are the owner of your skills, you can pay yourself whatever you want for improving them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The property-worship cult has done some serious damage to your brain, buddy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My job pays for extra training/certifications if I want them, and they reward that initiative with promotions and raises.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what?
more narcissism than an inst thot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
When you buy a hamburger from McDonald's do you feel like the employees there have a right to tell you what you can do with it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>moron logic
Please stop hurting yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your logic. Did you not say that you think workers should have a say in the product of their labor?
2 years ago
Anonymous
does a hamburger have a consciousness
2 years ago
Anonymous
At least you're honest. Every company I've ever worked for pretends it's a "family," and "we're all in this together."
But you're right, buying people's labor sold as a commodity is completely dehumanized, it might as well be like buying a hamburger.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So go work on your farm. What you think I should pay you for your sunny personality and positive attitude? If I wasn't buying your labor why would I want you near me? Labor is all laborers have got.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again, the blatant misanthopry is very refreshing. You truly are a model capitalist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see don't appear to have any arguments. How shocking.
Severe concentration of wealthy is objectively unhealthy for a society. Look at how vast wealth inequality is handling Russia, and understand that it's worse in the US. You want a healthy, functional nation, you gotta get a handle on the plutocrats.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I agree and understand that, but anon, you cant seriously try to tell me that USA is off worse than Russia.
Where are my morally dubious megacorporations who will save the cute alien villagers from the evil monsters in exchange for oil drilling & diamond mining contracts?
I honestly can't wait for a civil war in America just so I can watch you traitors who sold out this country to corporate smallhats get their heads blown off in public.
I see a lot of posters that have never worked a job or had a worthless union that does nothing but take money from your paycheck every month with no choice of refusal
Why are there so many moronic communists on Ganker? If you are arguing over whether or not unions are good or bad and you've never had an actual career job have a nice day. I'm sick of seeing your moronic opinions that don't actually manifest in the real world where Black folk exist. Go be delusional somewhere else
Yeah, a little too realistic. I play games to escape reality, not to be reminded of it.
You cut up spaceships in orbit for a living?
Best job I ever had
Boring shit
I liked it. Just a bit more work to make the movement less fidgety would have done a lot
>less fidgety
It literally takes 2 mins to get used to the controls, tf you mean?
No matter how much you bootlick for billionaires you will never be one
>not feeling entitled to reap the fruits of other people's labor makes you a bootlicker!!
Actually it makes you a stupid homosexual but you do you.
You're so close to the point but too brainwashed to see it
if i pay you for your labor and then sell the product of your labor that's consensual. taxation however is robbery.
was this post ironic?
because if not, jfc dude.
close your mouth
You might want to worry about your mouth.
If I was your boss, after seeing this I could say to you
>suck my wiener or pack your shit up and go home
after all, you're free to leave, so it's all consensual, right?
Then work for someone who isn't a pervert
The point is that wage labor being "voluntary" doesn't mean it's not coercive.
People have to work in order to live. Telling people "just run away" is like telling slaves to do the same.
this is true today to an extent, though if someone REALLY wants to get awat without work they can in most cases.
but FREE market will only work really well once people get the possibility to opt out. everyone should be supplied with shelter, food and internet regardless if they work or not, but all other parts of state expenditure should be cut to 0. and once food production / commbieblock manufacturing are automatized these necessities should be possible to receive without relying on taking money from people who don't want to give it to you.
the issue is that everyone in the status quo, from central bankers and politicians to heads of educational institutes and leadership of state owned companies are counter interested in letting people get away without work because that's what their entire power structure is based on. they're the real enemy of freedom, not corporations.
>that's what their entire power structure is based on
that is, forcing people to partake in work they have no genuine interest in.
Anon...are you fricking 12?
nah, just not a low iq hopeless brainwashed commie, like you
>Calling anybody else low IQ after posting something freshers would be embarrassed to admit they wrote
Not gonna make it Anon.
>lacks the mental capacity to comprehend something so his npc brain immediately copes by telling itself it makes no sense
yep that's how leftists are formed
but that is realities fault not mine.
I'm not the one in denial about reality, it's the lolbertarians who think every worker is an informed salesman and marketer of his own labor that have trouble processing it.
If your job sucks and your boss wants you to suck him off you dont need to be an informed salesman or whatever to know you should go looking for another one.
No shit, this isn't an advice collumn moron. It was a hypothetical example standing in for millions of less extreme ones.
And your repeated response is "just leave the hypothetical." And go where? All jobs are coercive, because ultimately you have to hand off the shit you make to someone else who gets to decide what to do with it.
This "concentual selling of the product of your labor" is a delusion on the same level of absurdity as thinking taxes are voluntary.
>Don't like taxes? Don't pay them 😉
same shit.
Libertarians think that humans act purposefully to attain their wants. that doesn't mean we think they act 100% rationally or always make the best choice. Read human action.
Ok, and what if the best way to "attain their wants" is to collectively bargain with their employer for higher wages, to tell their elected representatives to enshrine their labor rights into laws and regulations, etc. etc. etc.?
Seems like that's pretty clearly in their material interest to do so.
Well legislation is completely uneeded since workers could just collectively bargain for both higher wages and labor rights and threaten to quit if their employer refused to comply. Like many people in this thread have pointed out regulated unions in america are a disaster and they do nothing but eat up money.
But assuming pursuing that is the best action for workers to take, some might not choose to do so for some reason or another. like I just said libertarians dont claim that people act rationally, jut that they take actions to attain their wants.
Nature forces you to labor and work not to die.
If you are unhappy about it, kys
actually the government has a magic piece of paper that says that its okay chuddy.
I'm Canadian and I found out we actually pay about the exact same amount of our income in taxes as Americans do. We have better infrastructure, free healthcare, college that doesn't cost 100k for a 4-year degree. What exactly do American taxes even go towards? Genuine question
Bailouts and subsidies to corporations.
The "capitalist" morons in the US are actually functionally moronic. We don't haven't had a capitalist society since the 80s.
the exact same things, except the contractors that the money is used on actually control the government instead of just having massive, immoral and illegal influence
see americans paying more taxes for healthcare (before and after obamacare, in case there's any mouthbreathers itt) while also having worse healthcare both private and public by any metrics
What the frick is her problem?
She just needs a good dicking
She owns a company that can clone its workers and declare them property, she probably has a harem of slaveboys already
No, what the frick was HER problem?
Bunch of ugly dykes.
I'm not especially anti-union, but Lou is such a shitty character. In an environment where Lynx is supposed to be super anti-union, this dumb b***h is out there subscribing everyone she's known for 1 day to the top-seekrit forbidden union newsletter. Joining the same union as her seems like it's destined to end badly for everyone.
And they push the union shit on you way too early. Before you've even had time to form an opinion on your long-term prospects.
I'm at the point in my playthrough where the Industrial Action is available.. I've paid off all my gear, got access to profitable ships and got nearly every upgrade. My daily expenses are a pittance.. I've only used two spares due to strange physics interactions, and their cost is barely noticeable - I spend more on tethers most days (totally worth it too).
Life is fricking peachy... working for Lynx feels like living on easy street. How incompetent are the rest of these diversity hires that they fear a life of servitude? The more I play, the more it seems that the writers and game designers at Blackbird aren't on the same page about unionization.
This.
I regret doing industrial action. I would have been more satisfying to pay off my debt.
Hobestly my least liked character in any game. Haven't beaten the campaign yet but I hope she gets shit canned by management.
Every character is shit, just like real blue collar jobs
Not actually Michael Jackson.
frick those commie unions, because of them games are being delayed
correct
My brother unironically acts like right, even bragged about how he wouldn't sign in for the first hour of his shift until I kept calling him a cuck for working for free
There's something wrong with your brother...
Man, I could fill a book with all the things wrong with that dumb frick
If you get hurt on the clock workers comp is just a matter of filling out forms. If you get hurt off the clock you have to prove you were working.
My union just collects our money, makes us go on strike, doesn't guarantee the employer does what they agreed to, asks for far too much/not the right stuff, something like 30% or so goes to just the board members salary, another 30% for charity and activist causes, then our cut gets us a really shitty health insurance.
Yeah unions are good though. Totally not able to be corrupt like the government. It's not like any organization could be prone to corruption.
no honest person would ever need unions, it just for parasites who want to leech of others people work under the pretense of equality
and here is a perfect example
>commies dont want to share
>has to rely on others people work
but at least they put effort into unskippable audio logs to lecture you about unions
How does any of that relate to
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>We said we'd make the game moddable.
>Turned out to make the game it couldn't reasonably be moddable.
>Admit they fricked up.
Therefore leeches.
>We said we'd make the game moddable.
empty promise to get more money from people
>Turned out to make the game it couldn't reasonably be moddable.
they didnt work on their game, they hired 3rd parties to do their job for them and didnt even bother to explain what they want/need for the game, if it were just small parts of the game they could easily be replaced but
>Admit they fricked up.
now they are just trying to save face for "future projects" and doing nothing to address the issue ala not gonna waste money on this, if those hired 3rd parties were fairly compensated and talked to, there would be no legal action needed
Mate using 3rd party programs is hugely different than hired a 3rd party. The fact you don't understand this invalidates pretty much everything you have to say about game development. There isn't a single game you've played that hasn't used 3rd party programs during development.
>game wont have mods because it uses 3rd party programs
>There isn't a single game you've played that hasn't used 3rd party programs during development.
yet tons of games have mods, so why dont you take your own fact and show it up your ass
It's easy to magic up a solution to every problem when you have no fricking clue what the problem is, so let me open the black box of game development a bit so morons like you can see what's going on inside.
Firstly, Photoshop is 3rd party software, it's a pretty big umbrella term. You can mod Bethesda games because while you have the Speedtree assets in the game, Speedtree itself isn't built into the Creation Kit. Likewise, Visualstudio isn't built into the engine for Papyrus development. That isn't always the case though.
Shipbreaker seems to have a license for Wwise, which is a somewhat common audio solution for (particularly) Unity games that also handles things like reverb, mixing, attenuation, and modulation. It is completely attached to the engine however, and can't be unhooked without ripping out everything audio related in the game as well. Distributing a version of the engine that only has the level design tools (something that probably doesn't exist, because why would it) would either mean separating it from the main engine, or building a new compatible version of the Hardspace engine from scrap.
It's bullshit, but a completely understandable problem for a studio not have the time, manpower, engineering talent, or even just sourcecode access to do that task. The lack of further updates, DLC announcements, and even a fourth tool, implies to me that the game was a budget project, and probably had to cut the idea of mod support midway through development.
The problem is that capitalism isn’t the great evil, or the (socialist) state, or the corporations, or the labor unions. It’s bureaucracy. Bureaucracy is the most wretched invention of mankind. And in the modern world a labor union is not a collection of your colleagues working together to fight for their share, it’s a bureauceacy you hope to pit against a different bureaucracy. You can’t control a bureaucracy, you can’t participate in a bureaucracy, you can’t reason with it or threaten it, it is an utterly inhuman collection of rules and procedures. It’s like a computer program made of meat.
Wasn't this game made by a lesbian?
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This game was made by a feminist dyke who got cancelled for not giving an award to a troony last year?
There was a harassment investigation against a lead designer I believe. Apparently she was a giant c**t to work with.
She was a huge c**t for a good reason, shame about her though.
How's the game? Is it comfy?
It would be if they didn't shove the story down your throat. It actually impedes gameplay.
Pirate an older version without the story. It's not like they added Amy actual content since then.
Yeah a lot of other devs would have just played all of the chats during gameplay or put it in optional logs. Someone on the team thought their writing was too good to allow skipping
Yes. If you think otherwise you're either a richgay that exploits wagies or an american.
Seriously though, why are Americans such simps for richc**ts?
Red scare propaganda instilled into them for a century + fricked up puritan protestant pseudomorals + deeply consumerist culture that encourages them to side with lifestyles and products
If you can take shit from some billionaire then you can easily take shit from me.
Because we're all going to be rich c**ts and then those poors better watch out.
Any day now. Aaaany day now.
either you've never been in an union or you're an idiot for not noticing they're just another way of being controlled and exploited only with more intermediaries, more unemployment, and less money
Hahahahahahahahahaha what in the frick are you even on about c**t? The 40 hour work week, paid sick days, mandatory holiday pay, paid maternity leave, legally required rest break time, WHS regulations and outlawing child labour are all because of unions you absolute bellend.
Craving new VR games to play.
Could a VR port of this work?
The devs are incompetent and already confirmed that VR won't be happening.
Damn, that's a shame.
Sounds like they have a shitty crutch "system" for making ships. Developing tools for development is often as important as the final product, especially in videogames.
I mean you're not wrong but the community have tried modding their own in and it definitely does take weeks to make even something small.
After the second time they manually pieced together their lego block designed ships, they should have focused on creating tools to do the job for them.
But instead we got 2 new ships in 2 years
>still haven't figured out modular prefabs
Truly these people are worse than KEEN
Someone is working on a VR mod
Meanwhile try Star Shelter
That's correct though.
In this game universe unions are a death sentence and your coworker signs you up against your will.
>like 70% of american working class got convinced that corporations are good and unions are bad
idiocracy
>richgays come on Ganker bragging about how they get paid six figures to do 3 hours of work a week
>they also screech and cry that people who actually work and keep everything running have unions
All you need to know right there. Once someone becomes a bloated parasite like HR, managers and software developers, it's pretty much some edgy richgays on the same team as trannies and israelites against the rest of us.
Go rape some kids Shlomo.
Jews invented communism.
Cool, not letting Shlomo rape kids isn't Communism though.
I'm not a commie, I just don't like the idea of sucking other men's wieners for the privilege to eat the crumbs that fall at their feet. How about you go and clean up a dead prostitute in the hotel of an oil barons bastard child you brainwashed dork.
corporation bad
unions also bad
Once again we must remind eurotards that American unions were coopted by crime families and are now coopted and controlled by Ferguson and Vanguard esque funds. Our unions are one good one for every four that are malicious and a way to embezzle illegally.
Would you be able to provide a good link to something about the money embezzlement part? I knew about the mob shit but I'm ignorant to the other part.
>banned unions
>banned strikes
>banned bargaining
>banned wage negotiation
Hitler being good for workers, even just white German workers, is the meme of all memes
Meant to reply to this
Start your own union then Black person, it’s not like the teamsters are trying to get mcdonalds cashiers like you to join their union
>LOOOOOL JUST START YOUR OWN UNION
Yes, this is what Starbucks and Amazon employees are doing, pretending like the only way to unionize is to join an existing structure that totally totally is corrupt we promise just keep working under shit conditions for scraps is corporate brain rot propaganda. Literally just create your own union with your fellow workers and you get to decide exactly how corrupt it is yourself.
our unions can be very shitty as well
t. italian
why is everything americans touch turns into shit, food, unions, leftism, politics. some shit happens to any idea when it crosses atlantic ocean.
They're on the opposite side of civilisation.
First you need to realize what touched America that made it shit, but you're too stupid to understand history or actual causation
Eitherway it's going to be very bad for you soon
Hitler instituted the workers rights we have today.
Hitler was a drug-addicted commie
Union autism aside, is the game actually good and comfy?
Ignoring the story the game is fine. It has a lack of content but is worth a download.
why do americans hate unions? why do they hate basic human rights? why do americans force themselves to work until they die of old age while still paying taxes?
why is the USA such a third world shithole?
Slave mentality, literally
A submissive, bèta, society.
I don't hate unions inherently I hate when unions become bloated predatory organizations just as bad or even worse than the corporations they were supposed to be fighting against.
A union should be a grass rights movement that forms when necessary to fight on behalf of the workers for specific goals and then once those goals are met it should dissolve. But the moment unions start forcibly extracting financial tribute from workers without consent and turning into bureaucratic organizations with overhead costs and board members that get paid salaries of millions of dollars a year who exactly are they helping any more?
I don't like corporations screwing me over for profit
However I also don't like unions doing it either.
too bad, an union is your only option you have when it comes to negotiating with your higher-ups unless you're already a big shot yourself
you can complain all you want about how it's not a perfect option, but unless you can think of something better, all you're really doing is concern trolling
>too bad, an union is your only option you have when it comes to negotiating with your higher-ups unless you're already a big shot yourself
Which is why I said I support grass roots unions.
Why does a union need an office head quarters? Why does a union rep need to make millions of dollars a year which is extracted through nonconsensual payment forcibly taken from union members?
> but unless you can think of something better
Just don't do the things mentioned above, it's not difficult at all.
the union should protect the workers not exploit them for personal gain.
You got no chance negotiating with the employer unless without a similar structure on the workers end.
Yes but it doesn't need to be permanent
There is no good reason union reps should be getting fat off of the exploitation of the workers.
How are they any better than the exploitative business owners if they are doing the exact same bullshit?
It’s funny how this line from the anti union people doesn’t match their own rhetoric about work, here’s what it would look like if they were consistent:
>union management is doing valuable work fighting for better benefits/pay/etc
>ergo they deserve to be payed well
Instead corporate dicksuckers call them corrupt which is hilarious considering their views on corporate management, who are orders of magnitude more corrupt across the board
I was in a union and it was run by boomers for boomers. Always voting to take more of my money for themselves.
It's a moronic "Grift/hard labor/pull yourself by your bootstraps" mentality that was never made with a limit in mind.
The concept of helping has been perverted into a sense of weakness.
The concept of actual solidarity and establishing limits has been perverted into globohomo, muh soshuleesam and again being weak.
The concept of pride in being useful to society with hard work has been perverted and abused into suffering constant right-breaking crunch times and paycuts.
Pride and Fear of Reclusion has and will continue to always be, exploited by manipulators to rope their staff into working more for far less.
They dont want to help anything, including themselves because that is seen as not chad and weak.
Have to deal with morons at job because they're with the union and basically can't be fired as long as they don't kill someone, despite being a mental and physical drain on the company & employees.
Unions are fine, small scale, especially when those kinds of people 'go missing' but that doesn't happen, anymore. Also because of shit like police unions that keep terrible cops on the streets.
If you've interacted with unions, they leave a bad taste in your mouth.
Fine on paper. Bad in practice (occasionally)
>The first job I ever had was a union job
>I worked there for two years paying union dues
>One day a customer complained about me "winking" at her ( I have tourette's which in my case manifests as a twitching eye lid)
>I get fired on the spot
>Call my union rep and tell them I got fired for a medical condition
>Rep: "lol sucks to be you"
Why the hell would anyone want to support an organization that does nothing but leech money from your paycheck just to make the union execs money and not have your back at all?
Frick unions
Unions literally do nothing except take your money in the US. Euros just dont understand
having dealt w executives in the past, this is 100% correct.
whenever they can pinch a penny at your expense, they WILL pinch a penny at your expense AND expect you to smile about it as well.
Unions are the reason you don't work 100 hours a week.
Have you ever heard of a fall from grace? They DID do very good things. Since then the power has corrupted, as it does
I helped somebody yesterday
that means I can do whatever I want today
You heard it here boys, if you save a chick from getting raped you get a voucher for 1 free rape!
>corporation bad
>unions bad
Yes.
Communists just want the government to own everything. So believe me when I say pro unionists DON'T want communism
thats right
>endless effort that went into building up the story
>game still has FOUR FRICKING SHIPS
How the frick anyone can find this even vaguely acceptable is beyond me
Yes, and?
Ukraine le bad
Russia le good
>Game about breaking ships
>Only FOUR fricking ship types
>making some actual content for 1.0 bad
lol.
actual content would be a new ships tho
The game might actually be decent if they spent less time on shitting unskippable monologues, horrible characters and """Storytelling""" and instead made it so there's more than 4 ships in the entire game.
A horrible storyline atop a reasonably fleshed out game is a shame, but, it pays off.
A horrible storyline atop a clearly unfinished and shallow game is just a disaster.
I think they had engine limitations. They stated they could not get bigger or more complex ships in.
Idk, its a fun game for what it is, but the dialog is lame.
No its not. Its 35 bucks when not on sale.
35 bucks is well within the AA release MSRP range.
engine limitation aka they were too incompetent or couldn't be bothered to find ways to optimize their game
>It's okay when Corporations own everything including your soul
I'm generally pro-union, but if my only interaction with one was Lou I would not be.
>nooo you can't work together so you don't get fricked by the system
Only reason I tolerated the union storyline is cause Hal was almost a 1 for 1 of a dickbag Obese manager I had down to the voice, and how he was constantly cucking Weaver, who was like my direct supervisor.
Lou was hard to stomach, but damn if Hal really screamed incompetent middle manager.
Isn't this the game where they basically axed almost all the content that was supposed to be in it for release?
>dev makes a side project for fun/practice/little bit of income and releases it
>hurr durr why isn't this a full AAA game with a million hours of unique content
Weird how it's priced like a full game.
>Work for 15 minutes a day
>Get your own home
>Earn relatively large amounts of money
>Able to pay off your debt within a fairly short space of time
>Able to own your own ship and other luxuries
>Black woman yelling to you every 5 minutes about how work is too hard and we need to unionise
Wtf does she want? To work 10 minutes every day instead?
I'd always assumed the 15 minute thing was just an abstraction... but treating it as a literal 15 minute workday that Lou moans about constantly is far funnier.
Reminds me of the gag in The Jetsons where George would complain about having to work overtime and his workday was a whole 2 hours.
The game literally tells you in the tutorial its 15 minutes for real because of radiation. So yeah its actually 15 minute work days and you make thousands each time
>Bought it for 30 dollars
>got 32 hours of enjoyable gameplay
Yeah I really don't get the hate on this game.
It's entirely because of Lou right?
I'd say my issues with the game are:
1. Lou/Storyline
2. 4 Ships
3. Repetition
In that order.
I pretty much played the main storyline alone, and they introduce the ships/different difficulty levels to maneuver pretty well. 100%'d the game by just playing it. People complain a lot about the 4 ship designs, and I'd say that goes towards the replayability aspect of the game more than anything. The different levels of ships had different parts, connections, and new tiers of stuff you had to deal with and learn the most efficient way to cut and break down. Improving my time and seeing how quick I could reach best clear level, cutting everything down to 2 to 1.5 shifts at most was an enjoyable process.
I feel like if there was a few more Hazards presented better it'd have been more interesting though, as it stands the radiation panels are barely a hazard at all.
Repetition though is just a part of the whole job sim thing. I thought the random audiologs you found while working inbetween the story did a good job at making things interesting.
Compared to a lot of indie games this executes and nails the gameplay loop extremely well for the genre it's in. It looks beautiful while you're playing the game, and they've nailed their own neat style.
> Corporations.
Pay no tax. Use lobbying to give themselves fat government handouts. Are brute-forcing SJW bullshit to become normalized.
> Unions.
Are the reason you get paid a proper wage instead of slaving in mines for wealthy landowners. Are the reason why modern society is as wealthy as it is.
> Meanwhile in America.
Unions bad! Dey is currupt! Because... uhhh... because the media company that is owned by the corps says so!
Americans are hands down the dumbest people on the planet. Imagine being this conditioned that you give away the rights your grandfathers fought hard for. Despicable nation of absolute rats.
>Are the reason you get paid a proper wage instead of slaving in mines for wealthy landowners. Are the reason why modern society is as wealthy as it is.
outside of trades unions are barely a thing. Cope
Yes
>bootlicking snowflake needs a safe space
Too bad.
Being a corporate bootlicker is even more pathetic than being a government bootlicker
Tbh im usually against culling the dumb but you deserve special treatment.
>pay money to be lectured about communism
that disco elysium game was right about capitalism assimilating anything that criticizes it.
Disco was referencing Mark Fisher.
Oh okay that makes sense.
Ok mr Bezos.
Based! Us based redpilled magapedes love Amazon! I love Twitter! I love Google! I love tech giants! I love monopolies! I love Walmart! I love Target! I love Blackrock! I love Vanguard! I love Bank of America! I love the Federal Reserve! I love Nike! I love Adidas! I love Netflix! I love HBO! I love Disney+! I love Funko Pop!
Yes, and?
>2 years of early access
>they add merely two additional ships
I wish I could refund
Based, you made some unironic commies seethe. Where do these ""people"" come from?
The irony is that nobody with a brain should attempt to upset the company that gives you such a great job opportunity where you are paid royalties for every part of the space ships that are provided to you free of charge and you are never penalized by producing waste.
It's a pure, merit based occupation and once you pay off the meme debt, it's all profit directly into your pocket from there on out.
Why the frick would you even need a Union?
You still don't have a say in how profits are meted out, which is the whole point of a union.
Who cares when you make fat fricking bank just working you shifts?
They pay you an insane amount of money and don't even care what you do with the ship.
You can lug the entire thing into the furnace and end your shift after 5 minutes and they still hand you a giant stack of money.
Does that actually happen once you pay off your debt? It sure as frick didn't when I played prior to 1.0
Profits are generated from your work, and some boss has decided what percentage of it to give to you.
It literally doesn't matter how "fat" the total is, it's about the percentage, and about not having a say in the decision.
Even if it's a sweet deal, a union would give workers the ability to hold onto it in the future.
Isn't the debt repayment message literally just
>sorry, we got you a new manager, and he found a whole bunch of fees we ~~*forgot*~~ to account for. We'll just keep you here until we recalculate your debt
Used to be. That's not the case anymore, you have to complete your debt to beat the game (but like 80% of it gets knocked off by completing the story).
>the employees don't have the same privileges owners do
Oh no, that's terrible. Anyways...
do you taste the corporate jizz as they shoot it down your throat, or is it so deep in that it's past your tongue?
>came in excitement when twitter banned trump
>tell other people they suck corpo dicks
yeah okay buddy.
>talking to imaginary friends on Ganker
besides I was bummed, Trump was hilarious.
did you pay attention to the story? Lynx adds new fees whenever someone's close to getting out of debt, most characters mention something about this at least once
They never actually pay any shipbreakers anything
dudes a brainlet, of course he did not play the game through. its like the foreman, he made it out of debt, was planning on traveling and all of that, and they instantly give him a promotion without his say, and then put him another like 10 years into debt. in the game its literally slave labor, anything from air canisters to thrusters are tacked onto debt you have. they give you a place to live and food, but you basically have 0 money for the most part.
>but you basically have 0 money for the most part.
Of course you didn't play the game either did you?
i completed the game moron. you dont get paid, you have no money. if you break ships fast enough they give you linx tokens that can be used as an upgrade system, anything else related to money only increases your debt. you dont get a paycheck at the end of each day, they just apply it directly to your debt.
i cant believe you are bootlicking for a fictional dystopian as frick company like lynx
I still can't believe the price they're asking for this, Its a 2~ hour experience at best.
>barebones gameplay
>no variety
>shitty forced narrative
>lots of broken promises
>35$
The devs are scam artists and people are defending them just because they push their fairy tales.
>m-muh unions good in vidya
It was hard to take the "muh unions" message seriously when LYNX was an obvious exaggerated parody of evil corporations. That, combined with the game making your supposedly miserable slave labor job pretty fun completely undermined the preachy narrative. If they really wanted to the point across they should have made the job suck in ways that weren't just flavortext, but then it would have been a shitty game.
Also Lou is an annoying Black person, I'd work for LYNX for a thousand years just to piss that noisy c**t off.
Jobs don't have to be painful and miserable, that's an anti-union belief, not a pro- one.
It's an absolute shame that, besides decompression and tier 2 reactors, extra hazard levels only add puzzles for babies
I wish shipbreaking was actually as dangerous and easy to frick up as they imply it is in the story
Why would a evil company in a dystopian nightmare give their expendable slave labours access to experimental technology anyway? completely nonsensical.
>Unions participation dropped since the 60s
>Executives pay skyrockets
Weird. I wonder what the connection could be.
Now explain Europe.
>fun fact: unionized industries went bankrupt, non unionized industries even with gifting CEOs still have jobs.
The answer to inequality is not unions, you just add another layer of grifters.
My company wants me to become an engineer because I have the credentials and education for it but I work as a tech assembler which is the only unionized position in the organization and I have three times more PTO per year and only engineers who have been at the company for 7 years actually make more money than me. Lol
Sounds like your a sparkie not a engineer, practically every company offers engineers and programmers infinite PTO's in 2022.
>infinite PTO
You aren’t actually a programmer or engineer, are you?
>tech assembler
He's literally a production line worker, fricking embarrassing he's actually bragging.
Yeah. I literally do low effort grunt work and get paid more than most of the actual engineers because I'm unionized. Of course I would brag about that.
EICR Testers aren't engineers, It's literally a 12 week cert. You've fell for company propaganda and didn't even realize it, your like the sandwich maker that called themselves a sandwich technician.
I have no idea what you're even talking about at this point. You're actually stupid as frick. At no point did I say I was an engineer.
Hello I'd like a meatball marinara and diet coke please.
I accept your concession. Also you should probably consider exercise instead of drinking diet coke you fat moron
poor slave thinks he has the right to brag when he's being scammed. stop being a dumbass lol
>leftoids: corporations bad
>also leftoids: YAAAASS I LOVE CORPORATIONS! IF YOU DONT BUY THIS GAME YOU ARE A NAZI!!
Unions are bad. They want to take your vidya money. Say no to those grifters.
Good thing I pirate my games to give even more union fees
700$ a year is 34 cents an hour, if you work 40 hours per week and 52 weeks per year.
If your union gets you a 35 cent per hour raise, that's a profit. On average union workers are paid 11.2% more
https://www.epi.org/press/union-workers-are-paid-11-2-more-and-have-greater-access-to-health-insurance-and-paid-sick-days-than-their-nonunion-counterparts-policymakers-must-strengthen-workers-ability-to-form-unions/
11.2% of the MINIMUM WAGE of 7.25$ an hour is 83 cents. The conclusion of this fricking basic math is that joining a union is 1) profitable and 2) obviously worth it. If you're worried about money, you get more in the long run by joining a union.
And just for bonus points, ask why a corporation would spend time and money convincing workers NOT to join a union. You think they care about your welfare? At the cost of their own profits? Don't be naive. These posters only happen because it's cheaper for companies to have non-unionized workers.
Because if you're not in a union, YOU GET PAID LESS.
That's assuming your union does shit numbnuts, or that your raise was the result of the union, many of them don't do shit but expect you to pay every month and you don't get a choice in the matter. Funny enough these unions tend to be the ones provided to minimum wage workers
The numbers provided were national, on average it’s worth it to join a union, there will be exceptions such as (lol) unions that the corporation sets up, but those are literally there to stop actual unionization and you can just form your own union to get actual benefits
Unions are good if you're a wagie. If corps are good if you're a capitalist
After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a waterlogged brain, and a combination backbone made of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.
When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out. No man has a right to scab as long as there is a pool of water deep enough to drown his body in, or a rope long enough to hang his carcass with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab hasn't.
Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children, and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust, or corporation
If we are at space game,is this good?I mean on colony and exploration part?
There's not much in terms of exploration. It's more like space Legos
>t. Several hundred hours
The shit you can accomplish is pretty wild, though. Even with just vanilla unmodded
Ok so what i should play for exploration?Elite dangerous was recomanded by some anon but i'm still in doubt
Unions are obsolete, most of their demands have been met decades ago and all they do now is either get money from actual workers to waste or fricking tax money, all to be activists for the most globalist commie WEF shit that actually hurts workers and all the woke shit that is trendy now.
And this fricking game was perfectly good at showing the corporation was oppressive and evil without homosexuals yapping in your ear, without the ability to skip any of it, about the most fricking childishly moronic "corpo bad" story ever made.
HI Amazon/Starbucks. Bit hot under the collar these days? Haha
>American workers are literally better off being in racketeering organizations ran by the mob
Everyday I wake up and thank God I was not born an American.
Decent game. Fun mechanics. But I stopped playing because the mandatory dialogue was annoying as frick. I just want to cut ships with tangible progression. locking that behind dialogue that even if you were pro union is still annoying.
Unions are only good if the people in them are all competent and want to work. The problem is that unions are full of dumbass lazy fricking idiots who drag the entire concept down who don't work and keep getting fired and rehired because the union protects them.
>>Work for UPS
>Work hard
>Get promotion
>Team lead
>Same guy working with me for 4 years gets nothing
>Unionize (back in 2011)
>Guy gets fired
>Talks to union
>Gets rehired
>Guy gets fired again
>Talks to union
>Rehired AGAIN
>Back on my team
>No one fricking wants him because he fricking sucks and keeps getting fired
>Work for corporation
>Some moron who does package handling b***hing about CEOs making 10x as much as him, and how he doesn't get raises
>Continually fricks up orders, shows up late, goes on long smoke breaks, can barely communicate, has no skills, did not go to college, made D's and F's in High School
>During a presentation given by the CEO which was part of a 2 hour company retreat, the CEO had to give long speeches, all prepared, had to present information, talk about stocks, business, new products, and understand everything about them
>moron proceeds to talk shit and say that he knows the products because he works with them every single day and asks the stupidest fricking questions
>Quits the job and goes on welfare and comes back randomly all the time now, for no reason, no one even likes him
>Also wanted a union
Genetic Fallacy
>Company offered help with college and programs to go to school
>He took none of them
>Said he just wanted more money and not more "wastes of time"
You people are physically incapable of sucking CEOs wieners, it's incredible.
That other guy sounds like a homosexual, but so what?
The CEO is literally traveling 6 days of the week, is never home, and is visiting offices all over the country and in Germany. I think he's home 2 months out of the year. He literally works 6 am to midnight and he's on conference calls at 6 am with germans and at 6 pm with americans.
There are bad CEOs, yeah, but most of them are literally penultimate wagies. They get paid because they sacrifice their entire lives. You probably think a CEO is some cartoonish villain that swims in gold coins.
I don't "act like" anything.
Are you unaware that most companies aren't owned by one person, but have a board of major stakeholders that do absolutely no work? That shareholders of those companies also do no work in exchange for their profits?
As someone who REALLY seems to vale putting in hours on a job, you'd think that would disgust you beyond words.
that first line is dumb, whoops.
>hey did you know if you own something you can get benefits from that
Oh wow anon, I finally understand how the world works because you explained that to me.
>>hey did you know if you own something you can get benefits from that
>Oh wow anon, I finally understand how the world works because you explained that to me.
Well yeah if I do own sugarcane I get to sell that sugarcane.
>I have mony
>I hire someone to do work for me
>That makes me more money
>I hire more people
So somehow, I'm supposed to... Just... do the same work as the people I'm hiring too?
To be clear, you think slavery is wrong because slave owners didn't work alongside the slaves?
Because they actually did, so I'm really unsure how you got that from my post.
Previously
>have money
>hire people to work for me
>make bank
>reward people that helped me make bank
Now
>have money
>hire people to work for me
>make bank
>tell my workers they are all shitters that deserve to homeless even though without them I would not be so wealthy.
>buy their houses
>evict them
>do more evil things
Not that anon, but are you suggesting people should only be allowed to vest money into a venture only if they do physical labor as well?
So you want to make owners ... do what? Just as much work as everyone else? I don't understand your post.
I think workers deserve a say in what happens to the products of their labor, and how the profits are meted out.
Democracy, basically. It's a belief I have.
Workers already get paid for their labor. Why exactly do you think they should have a say in what it produces?
can you try reading the post you replied to again but using your eyes this time
Don't dodge the question, anon. Why exactly do you have this belief about workers deserving a say in the product of their labor?
Why do you think they should be excluded from the decision?
Because they have no ownership of the product and therefore no rights to determine what happens to it. You trade your labor for money. You can't claim more benefits from the thing you've already sold. When I buy your car used you no longer get to drive it.
"ownership" is a concept enforced by laws, not by nature or morality.
A slave doesn't "own" themselves, thier master does, and so because they have no ownership of the produce, slaves have no rights to determine what happens to themselves.
Yeah you've figured out slavery, good job, we can finally understand it now. Morality definitely covers ownership though. If someone works hard to create something is it not morally wrong for me to simply take it?
No anon, I was quoting you. You figured out slavery, and gave an admirable defense of it.
Because if the law (government) says a person owns something (or someone), who am I to disagree, right?
very "libertarian" of you.
You seem to not understand the difference between selling your labor and having it stripped from you. You know willful ignorance gets so tiresome, right?
It's a distinction without a difference.
Say X is "what a worker deserves." Then is 50% of X slave wages? Is 1%? When does it become coercive?
Your only answer will be "get another job," i.e. ignoring that were talking about a system of millions of workers, not just one dude.
And if the workers have no say in the enterprise, workers have no say in the determination of X.
Get another job is not the only answer. Get another skillset works best if you want to be paid more.
>skill aquisition
i.e. unpaid labor.
Again, when does the coercion kick in? A penny an hour?
It's not unpaid. You are the owner of your skills, you can pay yourself whatever you want for improving them.
The property-worship cult has done some serious damage to your brain, buddy.
My job pays for extra training/certifications if I want them, and they reward that initiative with promotions and raises.
So what?
more narcissism than an inst thot.
When you buy a hamburger from McDonald's do you feel like the employees there have a right to tell you what you can do with it?
>moron logic
Please stop hurting yourself.
Your logic. Did you not say that you think workers should have a say in the product of their labor?
does a hamburger have a consciousness
At least you're honest. Every company I've ever worked for pretends it's a "family," and "we're all in this together."
But you're right, buying people's labor sold as a commodity is completely dehumanized, it might as well be like buying a hamburger.
So go work on your farm. What you think I should pay you for your sunny personality and positive attitude? If I wasn't buying your labor why would I want you near me? Labor is all laborers have got.
Again, the blatant misanthopry is very refreshing. You truly are a model capitalist.
I see don't appear to have any arguments. How shocking.
So you are just pissed that there are people with more money than you.
Severe concentration of wealthy is objectively unhealthy for a society. Look at how vast wealth inequality is handling Russia, and understand that it's worse in the US. You want a healthy, functional nation, you gotta get a handle on the plutocrats.
I agree and understand that, but anon, you cant seriously try to tell me that USA is off worse than Russia.
What a waste of potential. They just had to go and ruin it with their mind-cancer. And didn't even killed anyone for good.
Yes.
how's your crypto wallet looking future millionaire
Are there space Pinkertons?
Where are my space Nazis with hearts of gold?
Where are my morally dubious megacorporations who will save the cute alien villagers from the evil monsters in exchange for oil drilling & diamond mining contracts?
I enjoyed the game. Didn't care for the story but, whatever. I'm a NEET so the story just rolled off my shoulders.
I honestly can't wait for a civil war in America just so I can watch you traitors who sold out this country to corporate smallhats get their heads blown off in public.
Yes.
Obviously.
Lmao, posts like this are proof that the public education system funded by tax dollars is an absolute necessity AND desperately needs more funding.
get a real job
I see a lot of posters that have never worked a job or had a worthless union that does nothing but take money from your paycheck every month with no choice of refusal
Why are there so many moronic communists on Ganker? If you are arguing over whether or not unions are good or bad and you've never had an actual career job have a nice day. I'm sick of seeing your moronic opinions that don't actually manifest in the real world where Black folk exist. Go be delusional somewhere else
Unions aren’t even communist, they only need to exist in a capitalist context where you need to bargain with your employer
It's OPs fault for bringing this up in the first place.
Also, why is an edgy clown is begging for a safe space?
if it wasn't true then they wouldn't join unions, friend
also is this a Homeworld game or was going to originally be one, or something? it sure has that aesthetic
It’s its own thing, I think the game devs were making a stand alone hardspace universe but who knows if that will ever happen
>Ignore the story completely
>Only play in the free mode
>Frick up massively on purpose sometimes just for the hell of it
Feels good.