>enough magical items or a high enough INT stat
enough magical items does give you the high INT stat, there's a headwear that sets wearers INT to 19 and you can get additional +1 from Ioun Stone (well, +2, but effect caps at 20)
>Stupid commoner finds item that gives him massive Intelligence >Realizes he is being exploited for his labor, but does not have the wisdom to design a better system or the charisma to lead >Writes a marxist manifesto which later inspires other stupid commoners to revolt long after he is dead >Commoner is resurrected to lead them but no longer has the item and is a terrible leader >Party has to put down the ramshackle revolution
Of course, that is like the most common origin story for a villain. Some down on their luck commoner either unveil some ancient evil and becomes the unwilling host as it destroys their home and their loved ones as it expands.
Yeah it's a great origin. Frick it's the Origin of Megatron. And Darth Bane. And Red Skull. And Astrubal Vect, And Archaon the Everchosen, and Darth Vader, and probably more others could think of.
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Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
Dat rabbi fricker born in a rich family with upper middle class income that owned(!!!) a number of Moselle vineyards. His best friend Engels was even worse: a son of a fricking large textile factorie's owner. Lenin had upper middle-class parents that had residence in Geneva. Goddamn israeli hypocrisy.
It's was all corrupted from the start
Good examples of simple farmers that made themselves names are only in Sagas
You dumbassess are forgetting the obvious option. Stalin. Born dirt poor, worked his way up though a revolutionary movement as a thug and squeezed his way into a token position, and then used that position to become a powerbroker finally gaining control with the favors he accumulated to rule as a gangster.
Perfect rags to rampages story
easy, depends on the scale and depends on the game.
Memes aside, first thought i had was characters are all small, like in hunny i shrunk the kids/grounded style, and they have to find a way to make themselves big again and the farmer is making things difficult as its coming closer to harvest season.
He isnt really a BBEG, but he serves the game as a central antagonist that the party could rally behind, as he "destroys and reshapes the land into what he desires and doesnt think about the lives of those smaller then him"
Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
Dat rabbi fricker born in a rich family with upper middle class income that owned(!!!) a number of Moselle vineyards. His best friend Engels was even worse: a son of a fricking large textile factorie's owner. Lenin had upper middle-class parents that had residence in Geneva. Goddamn israeli hypocrisy.
It's was all corrupted from the start
Good examples of simple farmers that made themselves names are only in Sagas
>Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
This. Marx never worked a day in his life, and Marxism (and by extension all its tentacles) is born straight out of israeli aristocracy. Communism is politicized Judaism, nothing else.
>Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
This. Marx never worked a day in his life, and Marxism (and by extension all its tentacles) is born straight out of israeli aristocracy. Communism is politicized Judaism, nothing else.
Stalin was a commoner that joined the bolsheviks, nor lenin, nor marx, nor engels were actually commoners. So the archetype of the opportunistic revolutionary of common low descent is Stalin.
Or just look at any peasant rebelion in China or Europe, also a good trope, the commoner doesn't have to be a smart guy, just charismatic and witted enough.
My current campaign's main villain is a farmer who discovered that became a veggie-lich by burying himself under his cursed corn field when he died. Now in death he seems to get revenge on everyone that gave him a hard life, including the king himself. His servants are all twisted scarecrows animated by blood rituals and hellish vegetables and farm animals
>BBEG
Gay term for gay people. >Could a commoner be a [villain]?
Yes, obviously. It's all in what relative "power range" we're talking. A common peasant being the head of a local cult or just the leader of a pack of other peasants stealing pigs would work just fine for a WFRP2 scenario.
A peasant child randomly has a spiritual connection to some kind of powerful eldritch entity because of his birth sign etc.
The entity acts as his distant protector, maybe initially doing super benevolent stuff like eating or driving mad a band of orcs planning to raid his village. The entity also doesn't get why some humans get to rule and abuse the others(and maybe it has a point, the nobility is pretty decadent and incompetent) so society's rulers are next on the menu.
At this point you could escalate to the entity punishing the child's parents for grounding/scolding him because it can't comprehend the concept of children or what an appropriate punishment for a petty thief is. At this point it has to be banished somehow.
Commoner as in social class? Sure. If anyone can just become a demigod with enough training, then a commoner can do it too and use that power for evil.
Commoner as in a character with no class levels? Sure. Just have the character be clever enough to stay out of ass-kicking distance.
This is Ivalyo of Bulgaria. A 13th century fricking pig farmer who led a rebellion of a weakened, conquered kingdom and gradually become its king. Of course he was shunned by his peers and very quickly betrayed and killed, but this irl pig farmer ruled a kingdom through rebellion. From the point of view of then Bulgaria's nobles, he was their BBEG. No magic, no divine help.
Joan of Arc is also an example, but she served more as a figurehead to the real BBEG (in the English's pov) which was the Dauphin of France.
When you think about it, it makes more sense for a BBEG to be a commoner than an aristocrat. The upper class are raised to be intelligent, noble, just and kind. The lower class are raised to work, thus they're inherently more likely to be greedy, violent and evil.
The lessers has a natural disposition toward neutral evil if not chaotic evil, while the betters has a natural disposition toward neutral good if not lawful good.
There's a whole pbta hack where you play as village kids in a fantasy world. One of adult commoners being campaign's main antagonist is fully possible.
>When you've been away from your hometown being an adventurer, Farmer homosexual has turned the locals against you, taking over your family's farm and has begun selling your Father's old belongings, the very things that inspired you to become an Hero in the first place. >What do you do?
Take my father's belongings, along with anything else of sentimental value, and leave.
Anyone who attempts to stop me will be made an example of. (Non lethally... At first.)
The only characters I've had that "retired" and even had a home to return to were all high level and would have no issues just strolling in and grabbing whatever I wanted and either incapacitating people with a single punch or cantrip.
However the vast majority of my characters either had their village blow up in their backstory, or have it blow up as part of a "wooow look how emotionally invested you should be now" thing from lame DMs.
The best way for a lower classes to gain power in the Middle Ages was joining the church and rising the ranks. There are also the leaders of the peasant rebellions and peasants crusades especially who became quite powerful.
the first npc my players met to clear his place of a giant rat pest is now trying to get revenge from one of the party members because he later ruined his life and also slept with the npc's mother.
Easy, do a Joan of arc thing. Peasant girl, receives the blessing and direction of a god, wins over nobles with a mix of faith, conviction, and charisma, inspires peasants and knights alike to flock under her banner. Could either be a fraud, just on the other side of your guys, or the servant of a dark god thats offering victory, take your pick.
sure
Easily. With enough magical items or a high enough INT stat, anything is possible...
>enough magical items or a high enough INT stat
enough magical items does give you the high INT stat, there's a headwear that sets wearers INT to 19 and you can get additional +1 from Ioun Stone (well, +2, but effect caps at 20)
>D&D
>D&D 5E
>Stupid commoner finds item that gives him massive Intelligence
>Realizes he is being exploited for his labor, but does not have the wisdom to design a better system or the charisma to lead
>Writes a marxist manifesto which later inspires other stupid commoners to revolt long after he is dead
>Commoner is resurrected to lead them but no longer has the item and is a terrible leader
>Party has to put down the ramshackle revolution
Of course, that is like the most common origin story for a villain. Some down on their luck commoner either unveil some ancient evil and becomes the unwilling host as it destroys their home and their loved ones as it expands.
Yeah it's a great origin. Frick it's the Origin of Megatron. And Darth Bane. And Red Skull. And Astrubal Vect, And Archaon the Everchosen, and Darth Vader, and probably more others could think of.
Ever heard of Marx?
No, I hadn't! But now that I have:
Marx would be either an expert or aristocrat in dnd terms. The idea of communism being a product of the working class was born from Soviet propaganda.
Literally never worked a day in his life.
You dumbassess are forgetting the obvious option. Stalin. Born dirt poor, worked his way up though a revolutionary movement as a thug and squeezed his way into a token position, and then used that position to become a powerbroker finally gaining control with the favors he accumulated to rule as a gangster.
Perfect rags to rampages story
>Ever heard of Marx?
Sure. Groucho, Chico, or Harpo?
PCs are local farmers and BBEG is the corrupt head of the village council
easy, depends on the scale and depends on the game.
Memes aside, first thought i had was characters are all small, like in hunny i shrunk the kids/grounded style, and they have to find a way to make themselves big again and the farmer is making things difficult as its coming closer to harvest season.
He isnt really a BBEG, but he serves the game as a central antagonist that the party could rally behind, as he "destroys and reshapes the land into what he desires and doesnt think about the lives of those smaller then him"
You could get a Karl Marx type that makes the workers forget their place and take up arms against their betters.
Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
Dat rabbi fricker born in a rich family with upper middle class income that owned(!!!) a number of Moselle vineyards. His best friend Engels was even worse: a son of a fricking large textile factorie's owner. Lenin had upper middle-class parents that had residence in Geneva. Goddamn israeli hypocrisy.
It's was all corrupted from the start
Good examples of simple farmers that made themselves names are only in Sagas
Okay Varg
>Marx was never a commoner nor even a worker.
This. Marx never worked a day in his life, and Marxism (and by extension all its tentacles) is born straight out of israeli aristocracy. Communism is politicized Judaism, nothing else.
Marx was literally the r/antiwork of his day
t never read a single page of capital
We aren't talking about Das Kapital we're talking about the reality of Marx's day to day life which was almost entirely spent freeloading.
>Marx was not a commoner
So he was an aristocrat?
Stalin was a commoner that joined the bolsheviks, nor lenin, nor marx, nor engels were actually commoners. So the archetype of the opportunistic revolutionary of common low descent is Stalin.
Or just look at any peasant rebelion in China or Europe, also a good trope, the commoner doesn't have to be a smart guy, just charismatic and witted enough.
>Stalin was a commoner
Ex-Cleric/Rogue/Ur-Priest
My current campaign's main villain is a farmer who discovered that became a veggie-lich by burying himself under his cursed corn field when he died. Now in death he seems to get revenge on everyone that gave him a hard life, including the king himself. His servants are all twisted scarecrows animated by blood rituals and hellish vegetables and farm animals
>BBEG
Gay term for gay people.
>Could a commoner be a [villain]?
Yes, obviously. It's all in what relative "power range" we're talking. A common peasant being the head of a local cult or just the leader of a pack of other peasants stealing pigs would work just fine for a WFRP2 scenario.
Why are there so many threads where OP asks a very general, open ended question and then seems to abandon that thread after 1 post?
Because it's July
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Yeah, use the Seventh Son Template and buy him up to like 750 points.
You could have a commoner be a communist or anarchist type revolutionary
A peasant child randomly has a spiritual connection to some kind of powerful eldritch entity because of his birth sign etc.
The entity acts as his distant protector, maybe initially doing super benevolent stuff like eating or driving mad a band of orcs planning to raid his village. The entity also doesn't get why some humans get to rule and abuse the others(and maybe it has a point, the nobility is pretty decadent and incompetent) so society's rulers are next on the menu.
At this point you could escalate to the entity punishing the child's parents for grounding/scolding him because it can't comprehend the concept of children or what an appropriate punishment for a petty thief is. At this point it has to be banished somehow.
>A peasant child randomly has a spiritual connection to some kind of powerful eldritch entity
>fa/tg/uys simping for elites who would let them die in a ditch or enslave their children to make a buck
Its almost like you can hate the bloodsucking elites but also dislike communism. These aren't mutually exclusive ideas.
Herbs and apologies for offtopic
Commoner as in social class? Sure. If anyone can just become a demigod with enough training, then a commoner can do it too and use that power for evil.
Commoner as in a character with no class levels? Sure. Just have the character be clever enough to stay out of ass-kicking distance.
Why not?
Can a democratically elected representative of the people be a bbeg?
The US has had two in the last eight years.
>The US has had 46 in the last 245 years
ftfy
This is Ivalyo of Bulgaria. A 13th century fricking pig farmer who led a rebellion of a weakened, conquered kingdom and gradually become its king. Of course he was shunned by his peers and very quickly betrayed and killed, but this irl pig farmer ruled a kingdom through rebellion. From the point of view of then Bulgaria's nobles, he was their BBEG. No magic, no divine help.
Joan of Arc is also an example, but she served more as a figurehead to the real BBEG (in the English's pov) which was the Dauphin of France.
>Implying the English weren't the villains for going against a literal saint who never spilled their blood in anger
His name is Slimy Pete; graverobber, rapist, turncoat, and shitty pig herder.
Griffith
Indeed, Griffith is very much a good example of a commoner becoming Midland's big bad.
Of course, you can very well argue that he isn't even a person anymore so...
When you think about it, it makes more sense for a BBEG to be a commoner than an aristocrat. The upper class are raised to be intelligent, noble, just and kind. The lower class are raised to work, thus they're inherently more likely to be greedy, violent and evil.
The lessers has a natural disposition toward neutral evil if not chaotic evil, while the betters has a natural disposition toward neutral good if not lawful good.
The term villain even comes from villein, defined as a feudal tenant subject to a lord or manor to whom he paid dues and services in return for land.
Villains were always common trash who seek more than their station wisely permits.
>The upper class are raised to be intelligent, noble, just and kind.
Good one! Very funny.
Oh wait, you believe it! Hahaha. That's even funnier.
There's a whole pbta hack where you play as village kids in a fantasy world. One of adult commoners being campaign's main antagonist is fully possible.
Sure, give them the vote so their moronic opinions can ruin the realm.
>When you've been away from your hometown being an adventurer, Farmer homosexual has turned the locals against you, taking over your family's farm and has begun selling your Father's old belongings, the very things that inspired you to become an Hero in the first place.
>What do you do?
Murder the whole village
Resurrect the corpses of THEIR fathers, and use then to drive the villagers out so I can set up my personal estate over the remains.
I am now the BBEG.
What Odysseus did
Slaughter and butcher every single one of them. It's what Goblin Slayer would do, and that's what I am gonna do.
Take my father's belongings, along with anything else of sentimental value, and leave.
Anyone who attempts to stop me will be made an example of. (Non lethally... At first.)
The only characters I've had that "retired" and even had a home to return to were all high level and would have no issues just strolling in and grabbing whatever I wanted and either incapacitating people with a single punch or cantrip.
However the vast majority of my characters either had their village blow up in their backstory, or have it blow up as part of a "wooow look how emotionally invested you should be now" thing from lame DMs.
Easily, we all watched game of thrones, old mate with his religious fanatics
Zombie apocalypse has a whole lot of commoners as enemies.
The best way for a lower classes to gain power in the Middle Ages was joining the church and rising the ranks. There are also the leaders of the peasant rebellions and peasants crusades especially who became quite powerful.
Sure, good and evil are points of view.
the first npc my players met to clear his place of a giant rat pest is now trying to get revenge from one of the party members because he later ruined his life and also slept with the npc's mother.
Yes, eventually. Either they get extremely lucky, are a MASTER at politics, or have a small horde of magic items.
Easy, do a Joan of arc thing. Peasant girl, receives the blessing and direction of a god, wins over nobles with a mix of faith, conviction, and charisma, inspires peasants and knights alike to flock under her banner. Could either be a fraud, just on the other side of your guys, or the servant of a dark god thats offering victory, take your pick.