Yes, but the radiation would cause mutations in the Space Marine's geneseed. Later generations of Marines would feel an inexplicable lust for their fellow battle-brothers.
Unlikely. Their armor is good but not that good. Could they walk in the territory left in the aftermath? Probably. Take a full nuke to the chest? Definitely not.
In a couple of the Horus Heresy novels, the traitors use nuclear weapons and kill a ton of people (on Calth and Isstvan III, I think) Space Marines included. At the bare minimum, they'll die of radiation poisoning, since they're still human-adjacent.
>Rad poisoning
Depends on how resistant to radiation power armor is.
As for the general lethality of a nuke, it REALLY depends on the kind of nuke since on the small end, Davey Crocketts could range from 10-1000 tons of TNT worth of boom, and the tsar bomba was 25,000,000 tons of TNT
Nukes are powerful but they're not strictly as bad as people think. People survived while being within a kilometre of the center. The closest survivor was within 300 meters, though she was in a bank vault lol. A scifi giga super armor soldier with any radiation shielding could live unless he was carrying it.
Not him but there's different levels of bad. I've only seen crystal skull but I imagine that that one is more "fun bad" compared to Dial's "Sad/forgettable bad"
Why did it even need to be lead lined though? It's not like radiation will be an immediate threat at that distance, unless Indy planned on just hunkering down right where he was for the few hours it usually takes for fallout to actually fall out
Mark VII marines could survive inside a class 9(or higher) refrigeration unit or stasis device
New Primaris Survivors(TM) will have the fridge built into their armour in an ugly, non intuitive way so as to withstand nuclear blasts, Tau railguns and other sources of mortal wounds.
In fact, they can't be removed from the table at all, for any reason, even when the game is finished.
You need to leave them in-store and but new ones for next game.
Mate, it doesn't even destroy a car made out of crappy thin iron sheets you can dent by knocking it gently with your fist.
Unless the marines are right under the bomb it would do nothing to them.
>he doesn't know
That opening shot of the car not being destroyed is not the blastwave. That's the entire paintjob being heated to vaporization instantly by the infrared pulse, the thermal shockwave. The blast hits several seconds later.
>direct hit of a nuke on their chest
Dead and liquefied paste inside their armor, that is left relatively okay if damaged. >periphery of the explosion
Flung around and gets some scars >nearby the vicinity
Okay
A tactical nuke was enough to kill Vulkan. Granted, he wasn't wearing his helmet. I figure a space marine would be mostly fine if not in the epicenter, but they may need to get put in a dreadnought because of radiation.
Actually now that I think of it, strapping someone into a nuke would count as CC, ergo any rank and file vet or termie with a stormshield would have a good chance of surviving.
>Depends
It really doesn't. Invuln save doesn't care how big the boom is. Nuke isn't a C'tan, Daemon Prince or some reality overwriting hypertech. It's just a huge boom, perfectly achievable by stacking literal megatons of conventional explosives.
>It's just a huge boom, perfectly achievable by stacking literal megatons of conventional explosives.
Nukes are measured in megatons of TNT because average jarhead or politician doesn't know what petajoule is. But it's not the exact same effect - TNT doesn't create EMP pulse, doesn't produce as much heat at the epicenter, and doesn't leave behind radiation.
Anything with heavy armor can survive a nuke provided it's not within the epicenter of the fireball, which while it depends on fission or fusion, either way you're getting so fricked anything that's not inches upon inches of the densest metals is ceasing to exist in an instant.
Considering Space Marines have rubberized joints and shit, they might survive close to the explosion point beyond the nucleus, if they do survive their joints are probably being fused solid as the soft elements of the armor melt shut.
Remember not merely tanks, but even IFV's can survive nukes, it's really just a matter of how the armoring material stands up to the heat at a given point. Nukes themselves are high explosive (duh), which tend to be remarkably shit at penetrating armor unless it causes spalling. Otherwise it's the fission/fusion center vaporizing a large pocket of an area (although this also depends if ground burst or airburst), the sheer force of the explosion wrecking shit like unstable walls, and the heat. >>(You) can survive a fission or fusion warhead depending on your distance from the epicenter and whether or not you're behind a solid wall.
Rad wise though nukes aren't actually that potent in the DNA-disintegrating department and considering Space Marines can fight in high rad environments (like space), they probably aren't getting their cells turned into soup progressively by rad poisoning. It's not like every single Japanese man and woman in Hiroshima or Nagasaki keeled over from rad poisoning.
>"Hiroshima, a shadow burnt in time: >Nagasaki, naked baby melts alive >burnt flesh and rubble from sea to dead shore >such a hideous theatre of war >But that was the end: why? >There are so many more that must die >is that not part of the plan? >I must use the nukes, I can't kill you all with my hands >Hydrogen bomb, new signs of doom >Thermonuclear, Neutron Bomb too >You say these devices must never be used >I say you're mistaken; let's get to the fuse.
If he had an iron halo or was wearing terminator armor he could probably survive it, terminators especially were originally used to perform maintenance on active starship reactor cores which are scifi bullshit even stronger than nukes. Anything with void shields will also probably shrug it off, there's a reason atomics aren't widely used in 40k warfare
>>What is a Deathstrike?
....something even normal marines with cover can survive? thanks for proving the point
also they use plasma warheads not regular nukes
Situationally yes. Their armour is mostly rad-proofed and sealed for void warfare, and is designed to be resistant to general explosives.
It'll need action on the marine's part to brace against or shelter from, if the detonation is close enough to risk rupturing a less sturdy part of the armour, and if it's compromised they're at risk of harm, but they should be able to endure.
No, the shockwave of the explosion would pulverize their internals, most notably the lungs, eyes, brain, neural tissue, etc. Yeah, very cool, your heart is the size of a elephants and you have a third lung. An explosion will still pulverize all of your lungs. You simply cannot make lung tissue non flexible and resistant to shockwaves/blasts/explosions and have your lungs function.
This is also why RPG's, artillery, grenade launchers and quite possibly, specially designed and made hand grenades would be the bane of spacemarines and why they are shit.
Sorry anon, but that's the power of a fantasy setting. They just do. Lightsabers don't just turn off because you don't like them and teleportation doesn't kill and reassemble you. It just works.
It is a mediocre fantasy setting that contradicts reality and itself, has no real central theme, does not have a coherent artstyle, is made to sell toys, is a ripoff of numerous better settings (some even made by GW themselves, and that one too was a ripoff), has a cancerous fanbase and is invasive.
Why have spaceships at all? Just base the game on modern warfare, which currently revolves around replacing complicated, expensive guided munitions with regular munitions duct taped to cheap Chinese drones from Temu and Wish
So romantic, very advance
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Why have gravity at all? Just make it capeshit, like GW is already doing.
Yes, but the radiation would cause mutations in the Space Marine's geneseed. Later generations of Marines would feel an inexplicable lust for their fellow battle-brothers.
The real question is, could the atomic bomb survive a space marine.
Is it possible to bomb marines gay?
I don't like them dropping atomics on the battlefield, that TURN THE FRICKING MARINES GAY!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
frick you i laughed
Metal ones maybe. Plastic or resin ones would melt.
Most likely not, but probably can if they have plot armour.
Alright that got me.
Yeah. With a 16.67% chance
Yes space marines can beat anything they have invincibility shields stop asking Kyle.
depends on who's writing.
Unlikely. Their armor is good but not that good. Could they walk in the territory left in the aftermath? Probably. Take a full nuke to the chest? Definitely not.
Many marines surviving in istvaan III against weapons that are supposed to be more destructive than an atomic bomb
By taking deep cover.
Is there even an instance where this was "tested" in fluff? I know there was that short comic where Eversor gets nuked.
In a couple of the Horus Heresy novels, the traitors use nuclear weapons and kill a ton of people (on Calth and Isstvan III, I think) Space Marines included. At the bare minimum, they'll die of radiation poisoning, since they're still human-adjacent.
>Rad poisoning
Depends on how resistant to radiation power armor is.
As for the general lethality of a nuke, it REALLY depends on the kind of nuke since on the small end, Davey Crocketts could range from 10-1000 tons of TNT worth of boom, and the tsar bomba was 25,000,000 tons of TNT
Nukes are powerful but they're not strictly as bad as people think. People survived while being within a kilometre of the center. The closest survivor was within 300 meters, though she was in a bank vault lol. A scifi giga super armor soldier with any radiation shielding could live unless he was carrying it.
Indiana Jones survived a direct hit while inside a refrigerator.
God that was a terrible movie.
It was not a direct hit, the test town was set up several thousand feet from the blast.
>God that was a terrible movie.
But was it better or worse than Dial of Destiny?
Why does it matter? Two things can be terrible at once.
Not him but there's different levels of bad. I've only seen crystal skull but I imagine that that one is more "fun bad" compared to Dial's "Sad/forgettable bad"
Worse
To be fair, the unrealistic part wasn't him surviving anything the bomb did, but surviving tumbling down a hill in a goddamn lead-lined fridge
better than the last Indie movie
Dude drank from the Holy Grail, it has benefits.
That's... surprisingly plausible explanation.
Why did it even need to be lead lined though? It's not like radiation will be an immediate threat at that distance, unless Indy planned on just hunkering down right where he was for the few hours it usually takes for fallout to actually fall out
Mark VII marines could survive inside a class 9(or higher) refrigeration unit or stasis device
New Primaris Survivors(TM) will have the fridge built into their armour in an ugly, non intuitive way so as to withstand nuclear blasts, Tau railguns and other sources of mortal wounds.
In fact, they can't be removed from the table at all, for any reason, even when the game is finished.
You need to leave them in-store and but new ones for next game.
Nah, movie was fine. No different than others.
Radiation shielding is whatever, if you're near it the blast wave will destroy you. Depends on the size of the nuke too though.
>God I wish that were me
Mate, it doesn't even destroy a car made out of crappy thin iron sheets you can dent by knocking it gently with your fist.
Unless the marines are right under the bomb it would do nothing to them.
>he doesn't know
That opening shot of the car not being destroyed is not the blastwave. That's the entire paintjob being heated to vaporization instantly by the infrared pulse, the thermal shockwave. The blast hits several seconds later.
No shit sherlock
also
>thermal shockwave
>shockwave
kek
I really wish I'd have parked in the garage that day.
Of course I just filled up the tank.
That gif is faked, how tf would you be able to film the fricking paint of a car evaporating off of it's frame without the camera being damaged
From a distance with a camera mounted to a telescope.
depends on the bomb. depends on the distance. depends on the amount of cover.
that was a tiny one though. the sharpened stick of nuclear weapons.
>that was a tiny one though. the sharpened stick of nuclear weapons.
One might even say it was the little boy of nuclear weapons.
>direct hit of a nuke on their chest
Dead and liquefied paste inside their armor, that is left relatively okay if damaged.
>periphery of the explosion
Flung around and gets some scars
>nearby the vicinity
Okay
No. Even a guy with a knife can kill them.
A guy with a crowbar could defeat a nuke though.
A tactical nuke was enough to kill Vulkan. Granted, he wasn't wearing his helmet. I figure a space marine would be mostly fine if not in the epicenter, but they may need to get put in a dreadnought because of radiation.
Anyone with an invuln save can, even if you strapped the dude on Tsar Bomba and set it off.
Actually now that I think of it, strapping someone into a nuke would count as CC, ergo any rank and file vet or termie with a stormshield would have a good chance of surviving.
Nah nukes deal damage as mortal wounds.
Unyielding Ancient then.
Space Marines can survive anything except sex.
>Space Marines can survive anything except sex.
Hey, shut up, the heretics might hear you.
>how far away is he
>is there any kind of cover
>how strong is the bomb
Depends. IRL some people too survived a nuke and some didnt.
>Depends
It really doesn't. Invuln save doesn't care how big the boom is. Nuke isn't a C'tan, Daemon Prince or some reality overwriting hypertech. It's just a huge boom, perfectly achievable by stacking literal megatons of conventional explosives.
>It's just a huge boom, perfectly achievable by stacking literal megatons of conventional explosives.
Nukes are measured in megatons of TNT because average jarhead or politician doesn't know what petajoule is. But it's not the exact same effect - TNT doesn't create EMP pulse, doesn't produce as much heat at the epicenter, and doesn't leave behind radiation.
Anything with heavy armor can survive a nuke provided it's not within the epicenter of the fireball, which while it depends on fission or fusion, either way you're getting so fricked anything that's not inches upon inches of the densest metals is ceasing to exist in an instant.
Considering Space Marines have rubberized joints and shit, they might survive close to the explosion point beyond the nucleus, if they do survive their joints are probably being fused solid as the soft elements of the armor melt shut.
Remember not merely tanks, but even IFV's can survive nukes, it's really just a matter of how the armoring material stands up to the heat at a given point. Nukes themselves are high explosive (duh), which tend to be remarkably shit at penetrating armor unless it causes spalling. Otherwise it's the fission/fusion center vaporizing a large pocket of an area (although this also depends if ground burst or airburst), the sheer force of the explosion wrecking shit like unstable walls, and the heat. >>(You) can survive a fission or fusion warhead depending on your distance from the epicenter and whether or not you're behind a solid wall.
Rad wise though nukes aren't actually that potent in the DNA-disintegrating department and considering Space Marines can fight in high rad environments (like space), they probably aren't getting their cells turned into soup progressively by rad poisoning. It's not like every single Japanese man and woman in Hiroshima or Nagasaki keeled over from rad poisoning.
Of course
No.
Rogue Trader RPG?
yeah.
>"Hiroshima, a shadow burnt in time:
>Nagasaki, naked baby melts alive
>burnt flesh and rubble from sea to dead shore
>such a hideous theatre of war
>But that was the end: why?
>There are so many more that must die
>is that not part of the plan?
>I must use the nukes, I can't kill you all with my hands
>Hydrogen bomb, new signs of doom
>Thermonuclear, Neutron Bomb too
>You say these devices must never be used
>I say you're mistaken; let's get to the fuse.
One in terminator armor probably would.
If he had an iron halo or was wearing terminator armor he could probably survive it, terminators especially were originally used to perform maintenance on active starship reactor cores which are scifi bullshit even stronger than nukes. Anything with void shields will also probably shrug it off, there's a reason atomics aren't widely used in 40k warfare
>What is a Deathstrike?
>>What is a Deathstrike?
....something even normal marines with cover can survive? thanks for proving the point
also they use plasma warheads not regular nukes
it's difficult to survive your entire battle barge detonating, which even a bad quality atomic WILL do, in one go, with no save.
A space marine could kill 1000 atomic bombs with just his bare hands.
At minimum safe distance, fully kitted out and 'tactically' moving in the opposite direction? If the Emperor wills it, yes.
Situationally yes. Their armour is mostly rad-proofed and sealed for void warfare, and is designed to be resistant to general explosives.
It'll need action on the marine's part to brace against or shelter from, if the detonation is close enough to risk rupturing a less sturdy part of the armour, and if it's compromised they're at risk of harm, but they should be able to endure.
It will turn them all black though
Can someone explain to me what a "cyclonic torpedo" is?
This is often mentioned during an Exterminatus but without further details.
No, Perturabo already tested this during the dropsite massacre
no
they can die to a normal grenade
Warhammer grenades are ten thousand times stronger than a conventional grenade.
no, they aren't
How else would they hurt a space marine then?
with their normal explosion
a normal guy with a normal knife can kill a marine
No, the shockwave of the explosion would pulverize their internals, most notably the lungs, eyes, brain, neural tissue, etc. Yeah, very cool, your heart is the size of a elephants and you have a third lung. An explosion will still pulverize all of your lungs. You simply cannot make lung tissue non flexible and resistant to shockwaves/blasts/explosions and have your lungs function.
This is also why RPG's, artillery, grenade launchers and quite possibly, specially designed and made hand grenades would be the bane of spacemarines and why they are shit.
>You simply cannot
And yet they did.
40gay is a shit setting.
Sorry anon, but that's the power of a fantasy setting. They just do. Lightsabers don't just turn off because you don't like them and teleportation doesn't kill and reassemble you. It just works.
It is a mediocre fantasy setting that contradicts reality and itself, has no real central theme, does not have a coherent artstyle, is made to sell toys, is a ripoff of numerous better settings (some even made by GW themselves, and that one too was a ripoff), has a cancerous fanbase and is invasive.
Why have spaceships at all? Just base the game on modern warfare, which currently revolves around replacing complicated, expensive guided munitions with regular munitions duct taped to cheap Chinese drones from Temu and Wish
So romantic, very advance
Why have gravity at all? Just make it capeshit, like GW is already doing.
there's a solution(heh) to that problem. It'd mean no dramatic helmet removal without coughing up a few liters, but heyo
Dreadnought yes, spacemarine no
If a tyranid or an ork can cut through a space marine's armor what do you think a nuke would do? They could probably survive fallout though.