Could any warhammer 40k character defeat them?
Could any warhammer 40k character defeat them?
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Gork and/ or Mork certainly might could, me crumps.
This is a dumb question since we don't know what CAN kill them. Griffith is apparently totally immune to swords or somehow can redirect causality to have them avoid him and no one else has ever been in direct conflict with a fully manifested version of the God Hand. Nothing depicted has ever hurt them. It's probably technically possible, and we might, maybe, get a confrontation with them within the next decade, but until then as far as we know they are unreachable and unkillable.
So the answer is: not enough information to know
>Griffith is apparently totally immune to swords
Guts just cut a hair of his. Almost cracked his demon-slaying giant magic """sword""" in the process, but he DID manage to harm him - to the slightest degree imaginable.
It was so tiny and miniscule that tone of people were wondering if he even cut anything to begin with. And doing even THAT much took hundreds of sword swings and Griffith doing literally nothing.
Guts is a dude, a very strong dude, but a dude. The dragonslayer is a sword, a very big sword, but just a lump of iron (which has gained some "spiritual weight" due to how much blood its shed from magical monsters iirc).
If that can "draw blood" from a member of the godhand theyre clearly not invulnerble, and the question becomes "scale". What happens when you throw a miniature black hole at them, or mollecular disintigration, or some magical anti-demon sword forged in the blood of saints and wielded by some space marine, or a demon primarch...
Mary Sues have a definition, one the god hand dont fit.
>So causality, and the God Hand, wins.
There is a force in 40k which fundamentally defies the concept of causality to some degree, an immaterium where the natural laws are mere suggestions at best. Its interesting to think about how the godhand and their "causality" interact with chaos.
Its also worth saying that the god hand probably "arent causality" in the sense that they dont actively define inevitable fate, but rather that they influence and shape events such that the outcome they want becomes inevitable. Theyre not manifestations or rulers of the "force" itself but rather powerful beings that use their status to utilise it towards their own ends.
Causality in Berserk is basically no different than saying "Hell". You could literally replace almost every instance of the word in the series with Hell or some other synonym, and not much would change. I don't think there's necessarily much of a difference from the Immaterium, beyond the fact that the Warp doesn't actively control everyone and everything in 40k from the moment they're born, if not before.
And I'd certainly argue the God Hand are closer to manifestations than they are proper beings. If Slan is to be any authority on the matter, most of them simply meld into and become one with their respective Sephira when they aren't interfering with reality. They're not the source of causality, since that's the IoE, but they're the closest anyone gets to knowing the actual actors behind the force itself.
Causality isnt the other world, thats Qlippoth iirc.
Causality is causality, the idea that events happen because of prior events, that the universe happens the way it does because of a long chain of unbreakable cause and effect. Within the work its synonymous with "destiny" and "fate". The idea that the future is set in stone.
>If Slan is to be any authority on the matter, most of them simply meld into and become one with their respective Sephira when they aren't interfering with reality.
That might just be what Slann enjoys doing with her time, since its not like the others were melded into their environment.
iirc the implication is that Void (brain guy) is Geiserics femto essentially, a parallel he shares with guts (alongside many others) and therefore a warning about what Guts can become if he ultimately fails.
For what little we know about the IoE (if it even exists, because those chapters were cut iirc) its not really got a proper goal beyond "do what humans require of it", it is the human belief in an "other" evil made manifest and it empowers others to act based on that.
It doesent need to tell them what to do or control them because of causality, because the people it offers its powers to are those who wouldnt do it in the first place, theyre evil people who will do evil with the power they are given, "as they will" is invariably going to be towards its vague cause as best we know it.
>thats Qlippoth iirc.
Qlippoth is just a border-realm in the Interstice, between the Human and Astral. Causality as a whole emanates from the IoE in the Abyss (since it lies at the very heart of it), which is effectively Hell.
>That might just be what Slann enjoys doing with her time, since its not like the others were melded into their environment.
Maybe, but she explicitly says via her avatar in the Qlippoth that that's what the others were doing. Instead of doing that though, she decided to manifest and fuck with Guts out of boredom.
The Godhand during Gesseric's time are different with the exception of the brain guy, so it's reasonable to infer that they aren't utterly invincible and untouchable.
The Idea of Evil can probably fuck them up.
Well yeah, it creates them. But we also have no idea what could motivate it to do do because it's entire command it gives to them is literally "do as thou wilt". And it doesnt have to worry about them rebelling against it either, since it destroys their souls, so it's not like you can argue that they go rogue or try fighting against it which leads to them getting retired.
Aren't the 4 chaos gods just a more extreme version of this?
The Godhand are the movers and shakers of causality, all working in unison. They are not adversarial to each other, nor do they preside over specific aspects of reality/emotion. The dark powers are of a more well understood and seem to act on a larger scale do to the setting, but this says nothing in relation to the Godhand. On the Godhand, we just know so little about them that we cannot make any conclusions except that they are near, if not, supreme. We know that there were members that are not part of the Godhand any more, but we don't know if they were killed or wasted away or whatever. However, there is a similarity between the Immaterium and the Godhand's domain, in that sentient minds create it through their dreams and emotions. The Godhand were once men (and women), but were tempted at their lowest point to take the power at great blood sacrifice. At a lesser scale, this is what they do to make their agent in the real world, the Apostles.
We dont know because we dont know the limits or even the true nature of the godhand.
Going off the cut chapter with the idea of evil? Theyre basically chaos (or some versions of it anyways) with a more personal bend to them (where theyre still essentially people, while the chaos gods are each closer to the Idea of Evil itself)
Are they mortal, can they be hurt? We dont know. The skullknight certainly acts like they can be, and we know the cast can change over time (voids GH during his eclipse were different to femtos), plus femto takes defensive actions when attacked (like redirecting SK's behelit sword attack) so they dont seem invulnerable in their totality, just much stronger than everyone around them.
We also dont know what the limitations of their powers are. Which makes it further harder to judge them.
But using the limited information on offer? Yes, probably. Theyre basically a smaller scale version of the chaos gods in terms of "being" and their displayed powers are smaller in scope to things that various beings in 40k have done.
Likening them to 40k, the God Hand seem somewhat closest compared to Daemon Primarchs, or extremely powerful psychic Daemon princes.
They're not constrained to mortal flesh or physical rules. They can bend causality, reality, any aspect of existence they desire. But never in massive amounts. Griffith can redirect causality to walk through an army and have every sword swing miss. Femto can open portals in space.
But they're not so much combat powerhouses. They can't blink and unmake a man (iirc), they need to walk over there and punt the guy's balls through his brain.
Moreover, if they decide to manifest themselves, they can be hurt/killed. We see this with Femto and the skull knight. Hence they work with apostles and such. Why go out and risk oneself, when you can get a lackey to do it?
You'd need a Guts. Someone with the combat power to stand up to a member of the God Hand, the 'guts' to put themselves on the line like that, and the singular conviction in reality to be able to defy causality at the cognitive level, as well as via strength of arms.
40K does have a lot of characters like that. In many ways, it's a breeding ground for them.
However, the vast majority of them die, inevitably. Arguably all of them have died, or will die.
So causality, and the God Hand, wins.
But at the same time, a core theme to a lot of 40K IS the defiance of inevitability, or causality. Beating back Chaos and primordial reality, with blind Faith in human-made falsehoods like Order or Imperial Truth.
TL:DR it's hard to say who'd win. But there's a lot of people who COULD defeat the God Hand in 40K.
Mary Sues are boring
ahriman could solo all
The big rub is that by all accounts they're largely immaterial non corporeal beings. Though perhaps the biggest tease he left before passing was this image of an older different Godhand.
I haven't rad Berserk in years, is the later part still good? AFAIK the series is dead along with the author
Its been taken over by his editorial team. although I cant say the impact has been felt overly much yet.
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