>Created a fully voice-acted Zelda game, complete with cutscenes showing the history of Hyrule, and character backstory
>Ganondorf has absolutely no backstory and no motivation besides wanting to raise an army of demons and kill everyone
Frick you, Nintendo. Frick you. They did him so dirty.
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Ganon had a good reason. To kill everyone.
Eat a bag of dicks. Ganondorf doesn't need any motivation. He's the reincarnation of an evil god.
Malice was a moronic retcon. Frick SS.
yes
In a way you're right. This level of moronic story was objectively more than enough to satisfy the average consumer, and they literally did not need to give him more motivation. He can be a one dimensional shitty character and that was more than enough and nobody cares.
People liked WW Ganondorf for being interesting and having a motivation, and supposedly humanish reasoning between why he chose his evil path.
While I think "He's merely an incarnation and manifestation of an absolute and continuous evil" is fine, it's just a shame they didn't write him more like WW. You give the guy the ability to speak and then you don't give him anything interesting to say.
>My country lay within a vast desert. When the sun rose into the sky, a burning wind punished my lands, searing the world. And when the moon climbed into the dark of night, a frigid gale pierced our homes. No matter when it came, the wind carried the same thing... Death. But the winds that blew across the green fields of Hyrule brought something other than suffering and ruin. I coveted that wind, I suppose.
Just "Well he's evil because he has to be evil, always, and that's his driving factor" is just disappointing when they make him a "Character" and not merely a disaster or beast.
>muh wind
Cringe.
>He's le bad....just because ok?!?!
Dogshit writing, especially when they've been telling the same goddamn story for 20 years. But I guess that's enough for morons to get up and clap and shit their pants in excitement.
>"he's bad... because he's bad"
>REEEEEE SHITTY MOTIVATION SO LAME TELL A DIFFERENT STORY
>"he's bad... because of le wind."
>WOW HE'S SO TRAGIC I HAD TO GO OUT ON A WINDY DAY ONCE TOO AND IT WAS TERRIBLE HE'S LITERALLY ME!
>The writing is SUPPOSED to be bad!
If that's your definition of bad writing, then unironically yes.
>Antagonist is evil because...he's evil
Really nintendo?
This, give us villains like in pic related Nintendo, UGH!!!
I don't need a sympathetic villain, I just need a villain who is a character
Like, why does he want to take over hyrule? Give me literally just the one reason.
It could be
>Wants its resources
>Hates their people/culture
>Is driven to conquer and fight because of Demise
Literally just give me any single reason why he wants to do what he does. It can be a bad reason, just give me A reason
Technically there was one sentence before his final boss fight where he says he thinks peace is boring. He does contradict that with having the most non-threatening minions he's ever had that spend more time sleeping and eating than anything else.
The reason is he's the fricking once in a hundred years born male of the gerudo, and thus king of the tribe by birthright alone. Being told that growing up could easily go to his head, and make him think, hey, why shouldn't I rule the rest of Hyrule as well? He clearly is a very dominate individual. He was granted authority with ease, and now wants a challenge to expand his domain.
Headcanon
Is the only actual time he talks about his motivation. Just saying "I should be king" is not motivation. You are literally injecting your interpretation to make him more interesting. He didn't do or say anything. He's practically a non-character.
He doesn't need to spell out his motivation in some long monologue. All it takes is looking at his actions and thinking about his situation. He is a man who, from birth, was told he is special. Unique. That he will rule his entire people by birthright alone. To reinforce this, he was clearly trained to be an amazing warrior. One who has hyper reflexes like Link, who gets sucked off for such things. When you have a man like that sitting on the throne, in a brutal desert, and not far away is an entire kingdom seemingly ripe for the taking, how do you expect him to act? He is special. ,He is born to rule. Why settle with JUST the Gerudo, when he could rule EVERYTHING?
>He doesn't need to spell out his motivation in some long monologue.
I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of what you wrote if that's the first conclusion you jump to. You are interpreting his actions and adding your own logic to them because the game did not do that. They gave him multiple flashback scenes and not at one moment do they actually focus on him and give him a reason for his actions. You don't need a monologue to do that you can show that through multiple means.
And what they showed was enough for me to infer his motivations. I'm sorry if it wasn't enough for you anon, but it was for me and others. I hope you get a game with a Ganondorf that satisfies you someday. Have a wonderful day anon. Same goes for others too.
>and others
That's called coping and denial. Literally making up a headcanon because they forgot to give Ganondorf a character.
you was not paying attention while also didn't play the game moron
Did you watch the flashbacks? He literally says so in at least 2 of them
I guess I missed those lines, I'll rewatch them now
thank you, sorry for having you spoonfeed it to me
Hey, its okay. I can understand missing it bro.
They've made MORE complex villains before and no one cared.
Pic related was made by Intelligent Systems, not Nintendo you moron.
Oh right remember all those other consoles Intelligent made games for?
It's still not Nintendo's writing team you absolute fricking moron.
Actual mouthbreather-tier post.
You could make the same argument for Alpha Dream actually being part of Nintendo, and look where they are now.
is evil because...he's evil
>Ganondorf is evil
Good, baragays seething
Games need more classic villains, not le misunderstood antiheroes
>Play with Japanese voice acting because Ganker says it's "better"
>Hear Ganon speak
>"Zeruda... Rinku"
>Burst out laughing
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PEOPLE TAKE THIS SHIT SERIOUSLY?!
I mean if you lived in Japan that's literally how you would pronounce their names
>I mean if you lived in Afghanistan that's literally how you would frick a goat
What's your point?
Stfu moron
Sorru kannot poronounsu "r", pereze undarustandu
You mean L, dumb ass.
Yes they pronounce l as r dumbass, that was the joke
>Yes they pronounce l as r dumbass
no they don't
You gotta understand that 99% of weaboos don’t actually speak the language and only think Japanese sounds good because they can’t understand it.
Yes. But also they're actually acting, and not just doing Newgrounds tier line reading.
Actually, that's not true. Newgrounds does significantly better voice over than the circle jerk Nintendo hires for English voices.
Seriously why the frick did they hire whoever they hired to voice Zelda? She sounds like what you would imagine a talking horse to sound like.
yes
if both eng and jap dubs are shit then hearing the shit one i dont understand enough to know its shit is preferred
thats the point, it just because gibberish animal crossing speak in the background while i reads the text
The English are saying it wrong, please understand.
Better than ganondorf sounding like mccree
lol all you want but I'd rather take that over the horrible english dub, and I usualy don't mind the dub
>implying Japanese subs always have good voice acting
Lmfaoo
Better than you, Muhammad
Japanese has always been the superior video game dub. Get over it.
Latin American dub best
uh it's a kids game okay so that means it must be shit and you are a moron for complaining
ProZD let us down
It's pretty clear Zelda also suffers from the similar mandates as the Super Mario series does. A lot of these 30+ year old franchises need to in order to stay on brand for investors. Once a series is this old, you've already made it. No reason to risk trying something new anymore. The brand alone will bring in sales, no matter the quality.
Basically what I'm saying is, if you want better writing, then stop buying Zelda.
>No reason to risk trying something new anymore.
is this the part where we pretend the franchise didn't undergo the first major shift in the formula since fricking alttp 2 games ago?
There was no risk involved. They just decided to do what everyone else did.
>there was no risk involved in radically altering the format of a series that has been the same for decades
zelda was a dying series before botw. so yes, there was no risk. it would be more risky to keep going with the old formula
>he says about the series biggest shift in the franchise; botw and totk
>Once a series is this old, you've already made it. No reason to risk trying something new anymore.
>No reason to risk trying something new anymore.
>no reason to risk
>trying something new
Bro are you fricking mentally handicap or braindead?
WW Ganondorf is the only time he's ever had anything resembling depth. Every other incarnation has just been butthole fused with the embodiment of evil who just wants to take over the world and kill anything that stands in his way.
WW Ganondorf is the same guy as OOT Ganondorf. He just wants to be king and destroy everything
yeah but he had one line where he admitted maybe he'd been kind of a dick so he's actually super deep and tragic, now watch my 4 hour video essay where I break this down
He didn't want to destroy everything, he wanted to rule it. Try playing either game.
yeah rule it into looking like this
That's just the result of scorched-earth tactics employed by the defeated sages.
>scorched-earth tactics employed by the defeated sages.
Right, right.
What was happening in Death Mountain again?
>ganon didn't MEAN to wipe out the gorons by locking them up then feeding them to a dragon he a goodboy he dindu nuffin
He's mainly tired of pursuing the triforce at that point, which is why he goes insane in real time when Boatman takes it from him.
Ganondorf didn't even wanted the elden bling any more, he just wanted hyrule back.
I’ve gotten an appreciation for TP Ganondorf recently. He actually acts like Satan in that game, making a deal with Zant for his total obedience. Ever since cheating death with the triforce he believes he’s literally a god. He’s a smart evil manipulator that only acts in the shadows. TotK Dorf feels more like an ogre than a demon king.
>TotK Dorf feels more like an ogre than a demon king.
And they make it worse by acting like he's going to have some kind of scheme.
>molduga swarm gets beamed
>"i guess brute force won't work"
>shows up to swear fealty to Rauru
>can't even maintain the act through a single conversation
>has no devious plot, just armed robbery with a decoy
OoT Ganondorf successfully pulled off the scheming sorcerer thief thing. In totk he's just, as you said, an ogre.
yeah his plan sucked and Rauru is a fricking moron for letting that guy just hang around. got his wife killed and kingdom blown to shit for generations
The only way to save him is for him to be "good" and his actions are trying to stop an even worse Le Ancient Evil.
But given he's Demise reincarnated he literally is the ancient evil so
>expecting a deep and nuanced narrative from a zelda game
lol
lmao
Not everyone has the IQ to craft a masterplan to rule the world, he just wanted to kill everyone, let him be.
He's the reincarnation of the evil lorule version of Hylia. He needs no reason to want power. He just wants it.
I'm pretty sure that isn't right
Eh, it could be. Demise could be the reason the Lorule Triforce is gone and on his evil master sword.
The Lorule triforce was gone because they wished it away hoping to stop the constant civil wars over it. Also, Lorule is not bizarro Hyrule. The characters aren't really opposite, but rather different manifestations of the same things. So there isn't an evil Lorule Hylia or master sword.
Demise could have been someone fighting for it or something. I'm not the person who said it was evil hylia. I do belive Demise came from Lorule at some point though. Skyward sword takes place was before ALBW. There also might not be a lorule Master Sword because it was destoyed with Demise. His sword literally has the Lorule Triforce on it and both games were devolved by Monolith so there's always that. We dont really know much about Lorule to rule out the existence of different gods existing there. Also Demise being the reason the Lorule Triforce was destoyed instead of sealed kind of makes sense.
>no backstory and no motivation besides wanting to raise an army of demons and kill everyone
What if they had given him a few throwaway lines about not liking the desert?
All these Ganons yet the Ghirahim Anti-Master Sword is nowhere to be seen.
Fujibayashi sucks at worldbuilding, more news at 11.
like you could ever do a better job at world building smart ass hmph
Because it fricking dissolved into nothingness at the end of Skyward Sword.
i finished the game just a minute ago. the way i understood it was that he was a warrior that hated the peace that rauru brought to hyrule. before the zonai arrived there was war and fighting everywhere and he wanted that back.
but maybe that's just my localization (german). translators these days add a whole bunch of shit anyway, so who knows.
he's a dry bag of bones until link arrives ready to permanently destroy him
Even if you don't care about the story you should at the very least agree that the stories in BOTW and TOTK are very light. Not much dialog, not much actual story, not much time for the characters either. What you get is fine, enjoyable at times even. But compared to even something like OOT or SS it is extremely light and both BOTW and TOTK should have had more.
seems deliberate to keep the world as open as possible
Because of the open world bullshit. It’s why every cutscene after you beat a boss is the exact same dialogue but with a different race telling the story of how they fought Ganondorf and Zelda trusts their descendants to help link.
>you should at the very least agree that the stories in BOTW and TOTK are very light
Yes of course.
>and both BOTW and TOTK should have had more.
No no at all.
>What you get is fine, enjoyable at times even.
For BotW yes. It managed having a very minimalist story quite well.
For TotK no. It has a bit more story focus than BotW and all of it is much worse. I never felt the need to skip any cutscenes in the first game even though it wasn't amazing, but I ended up skipping half of the cinematics in TotK.
Did a fricking homosexual janny seriously just delete my post?
There's a difference between a villain not being nuanced and just not even having a coherent goal or motivation. Take for example, Sephiroth in final fantasy VII. Absolutely no nuance in his moral character, but he has clear goals, methodologies, and motivations. He thinks himself a superior lifeform and that he should consume the whole world to enhance his own splendor because he thinks the fact that he is capable of doing so proves his right to do so.
Now, what the frick does TotK Ganondorf want? I have absolutely no idea. He filled Hyrule with horrible monsters and then did nothing. Is he trying to bait Link into coming to him? Is he looking for Zelda? I don't know! He doesn't ever say his intentions or even interact with the world in a way that hints at what he even fricking wants. Does he just want to kill people? His gigantic monster army does nothing. Does he want to rule? He never made any demands of the people of hyrule or even communicated with them. It makes no sense.
Compare it to say, Ocarina of Time. At the start of the story, Ganondorf wants in the temple of time, and so he tries and fails to extort those people with the keys. After Link opens the door and goes to the future, Ganondorf uses his enhanced power to take over Hyrule. He destroys the capital city of his enemies, gives boons to those who submit to his will, and torments and kills those who disobey. He has a long term goal of getting the other pieces of the triforce which he does by having his monsters look for zelda, ultimately capturing her and using her as bait to draw in Link, who has the third piece. We even get other tidbits of his character and motivation, like how he completely neglected the Gerudo prophecy he was born to fulfill, or how he torments his own minions for failure. Why does TOTK Ganondorf not have ANY of this?
>He filled Hyrule with horrible monsters and then did nothing
yeah this is the problem with having an antagonist that is more than an imprisoned force of nature for this format of zelda title. calamity ganon worked because it had no story agency, it was just a phenomena that caused monsters to spawn giving the player the story freedom to meander around, looking for forest children so they can get a poop hat. the urgency of TotK in comparison doesn't work because by all means ganondorf should be playing a much more active role, but because the format of the game demands that most places remain intact for the player to reach at any time he becomes a passive force, waiting for the player to show up to kill him.
I personally don't mind this too much, I don't really seek out or care about the story, I'm here specifically to wander around, doing quests and finding shrines but I can understand why it would be annoying to someone who does care
>Why does TOTK Ganondorf not have ANY of this?
because the BOTW series is a collectathon where the hub world between the 150 levels is just very big
Holy based
So long as you don't go with english. Choose french or russian instead.
>choosing fr*nch
Frick no, I would rather choose something as primitive as arabic over listening to frogs
Should be saved for future threads
>Absolutely no nuance in his moral character
Blatantly wrong
I wonder if these complains started now that they gave Ganondorf a design to attract the gays is a coincidence or not...
Why does he look like a baragay's idea of Ganondorf?
has absolutely no backstory and no motivation besides wanting to raise an army of demons and kill everyone
based
frick zoomers and their "muh tragic villain he wuz a gud boi deep down" bullshit
There is a difference between a villain being morally grey and a villain having goals and motivations.
he lived a life surrounded by nothing but women, what more motivation could you need?
My interpretation is: Ganondorf is the only man in an entire nation of women. It is not even a question of using force and power to build a harem as it happens in the real world, in such a situation the women themselves would organize a harem to have a chance to procreate with the guy. Basically he must have been raped since he was 11 years old by a bunch of 10-foot-tall Amazon women. His head must not function well and his sexual organ was probably destroyed in the process. What to the other inhabitants of Hyrule seems like a dream, was Ganondorf's nightmare and the reason he wants to destroy everything.
If the game isn’t gonna give us any exclamation, I guess this will have to do.
I’m disappointed the game relied on the exact same flashback cutscene storytelling as BOTW. I was hoping Ganondorf would be more relevant in the modern day part of the game.
I'm mainly wondering if there's anything that was dropped from the JP translation. Like the "given up on reincarnation" like from BOTW where the japanese version says the opposite of the english one.
Nintendo actively hates giving zelda deep lore because Miyamoto hates story
It doesn't need "deep lore", just actual characters. Yuga is a total goober. And yet he's a way better villain than totk Ganondorf because he actually has a personality and some presence in the game.
you morons still think miyamoto hates having stories in his games?? lmfaoo can't fix dumb miyamoto haters I guess
He wanted to rule everything. Didn't you finish the game?
People are evil because they are evil. Get over it. Why do you need a backstory? So you can pretend to sympathize with the antogonist? Grow up.
>I coveted that pillow, I suppose.
>NOW, LET US PUT AN END TO THAT WHICH BINDS US TOGETHER
>No backstory
He was obviously a victim of systemic racism and injustice. When that little white baby tore his pillow, the epigenetic memories of his great great grandpappy being whipped came back to him.
The funny shit about D&D is that people argue that evil as an absolute of nature is crass and unrealistic, and then you realize shit like cuckoo birds exist. Cuckoo birds are existential evil. They are evil for evil's sake. From their very first breath, they are evil. The precedent leading to their birth is steeped in evil. The first thing a cuckoo chick does is to complete the acts of murder its parents started. By any system of morality, that bird is evil from conception.
He doesn't like the idea of goat aliens being Hyrule's ruling class, that's his motivation.
That's based in my book.
If he actually had a motivation like that he would have been a lot more interesting. Or really any motivation at all. I'd say he's just calamity ganon with skin, but for some reason I actually find even calamity ganon more interesting.
You're conflating complex with sympathetic. Most people aren't making complex villains, they're making (or trying to make) sympathetic ones in homosexual morally gray, no one is really right types of stories. Only baragays want something like that out of Ganon. The rest of us like that he's evil just because he is. But totk Ganon isn't an evil person, he's an evil rock with a face scribbled on it.
What even caused the left to be propagated as hard as it did?
homosexualry
american twitter users
He saw that Rauru was a massive moron who wouldn't even oppose him until it was too late and figured, why not? Easy pickings.
I'm still mad it's some new goat's arm instead of a cursed mummy ganondorf arm, that would've been much cooler
I have no problem with lizard goat arm.
I just wish that
>Link could buster people
>he didn't lose it at the end of the game
would you settle for an unga shove/push move instead of buster, like the kick in dark messiah
I didn't play Dark messiah, have a clip or another example?
really just need to watch the first few seconds
Male Gerudos are cursed to be evil, you don't need more backstory than that
We are at a point, where the complex villain is more cliche than the dastardly evil one.
Everyone tried to capture Gul Dukat's magic and fell flat.
His character design too..
>Face looks great
>robes similar to wind waker
Then they frick it up hard
>gay ass toe rings
>robes only in one fricking side , showing his breasts and abs to pander to literal homosexual homosexuals
Fricking hated this shit so much.
The shitty character personality combined with the gaybait character model.
Worst fricking ganondorf, even TP ganondorf looked and acted cooler.
>robes only in one fricking side , showing his breasts and abs to pander to literal homosexual homosexuals
It's samurai kino, sorry you have no respect for good culture.
He wants to be the king, and he will do anything to make that happen. He's power mad and evil. Exactly the same motivation he had in OoT.
what the frick was Calamity Ganon and why does Ganondorf or no one else even reference it
Why was "Malice" written out of the story?
No one fricking knows.
It's probably the same "shh, don't talk about it" that went on when Link arrived in Termina and found everyone being a copy of a Hyrule equivalent.
A phantom made of malice that was leaking out from Rauru's seal.
but why wouldn't it be made of gloom
I think they renamed malice into gloom, idk I'm not privy to what the story writers are thinking.
I would assume it's something along the lines of, malice is what was leaking out past Raru's hand. Gannon could use it to corrupt, and control certain things, but that's about it. Gloom is his full blown essence. You can't even touch it without getting sick.
>Gloom is his full blown essence.
didn't realize dorf was high-school goth girl
I don't understand why Gloom wasn't just called Malice. They're functionally the same, just with an added debuff in TotK. And Malice sounds so much more menacing than Gloom.
I don't disagree.
Man I actually enjoyed Calamity Ganon, it didn't have a character but that was because it was no longer a person, it was a fricking force of nature that destroyed the world. And then TotK is like "ACKSHUALLY, the Demon King is the true threat! Calamity what now?"
I've assumed it's Dorf's seethe because the goat man got one over him and locked him up. Over time it spilled.
It’s Ganondorf’s evil sperm that spills out of him every 10,000 years.
i think i heard a theory that calamity ganon isn't even the same guy, he reincarnated in the time he was sealed
Why are you mad about this? I wish we had more villains that were evil for the sake of being evil. All this post-modernist shit is tiring.
Ganon has always been evil for the sake of being evil and yet he's usually not this lame.
>1 villain is every known villain across all franchises
Frick off seething trannies
Eat shit, homosexual. Zelda has had this garbage for almost 40 fricking years and I'm supposed to suck Nintendo off for it? have a nice day right this fricking instant.
>I love me some Zelda
>Why doesnt the game pander to my exact tastes despite me liking it for being like this for years!?
Frick off you disingenuous trash
Who are you quoting, tendie fricknugget?
You, you gaping smelly axewound
Every fricking Zelda game has a villain like this. Were the past 20 something games not enough for you?
>All this post-modernist shit is tiring
Listen, you reactionary moron. Nobody's asking that Ganon be relatable or have a tragic villain arc to him. They want him to have a fricking goal. Maybe "I want to rule everything" would work if he actually did something to accomplish that goal, but in TotK he does fricking nothing. He sits in Hyrule Castle while his minions do nothing. He doesn't bait Link into fighting him, he doesn't go out and search for maguffins, he doesn't talk to anyone, he just exists. This was fine for Calamity Ganon, which is supposed to be a force and not an entity, but it doesn't work for a living, breathing person.
Maybe it's because he is already the ruler? The king is dead, zelda is in the past, society is a few small communities of less than 100 people. Ganons forces far outnumber the total population of Hyrule. Why would he need to work to rule, when he is already subjugating the entire world?
How the frick is he ruling anything when the townspeople live in relative peace and swear to fealty to him? The world isn't even that dangerous as long as they stay away from certain areas. Ganon's minions don't sack villages or break into houses. Fricking modern day Detroit or Chicago is a more hostile environment than all of Hyrule.
*swear no fealty
Why would you break into the peoples houses you rule over? Do you want a revolt?
You need to occupy the territory to establish control. Dorf doesn't control shit.
He literally occupies the literal government building?
I'm not going to respond to you anymore if all you're going to do is shitpost.
He "occupies" ruins that nobody has lived in for a century
Dorf demands tribute from those territories and they surrender 10 virgin girls per year to him
Lurelin would disagree
Lurelin is one backwater village at the edge of the continent. Not exactly a strong grip on things overall.
Even if Ganondorf had some past trauma you wanted to fix he still wouldn't frick you.
has absolutely no backstory and no motivation besides wanting to raise an army of demons and kill everyone
KINO
Ganon saw that the Hylians were race mixing. He was morally justified to violate the NAP and genocide them.
I know everyone already dick rides WWdorf but I watched a recording of that final boss opening after not playing it for years. It's insane how compelling they make him even within the scene's first 30 seconds beyond every other version of the character.
why do you want story when you can have lego? :^)
What were you expecting? It's fricking Nintendo.
The only good story in a Zelda game was WW
>sex big muscular man is evil
>sexy androgynous twink is good
Why does nintento hate traditional masculinity?
It's David vs Goliath
Ganon wouldn't be very intimidating if he was puny and impotent
It was still David and Goliath aspect in Twilight Princess and Link looks like he hit the gym at least once in his life
How old is Link now? He's still a fricking manlet. Probably an excuse to reuse the same shitty armor from the first game.
Dorf homosexuals deserve this because they insist on reusing him forever. Frick off already, he was cooler as a pig monster and the Calamity.
This is a good post. Not sure why it was deleted.
>Frick you, Nintendo. Frick you. They did him so dirty.
I mean, I agree with this, but am I really the only one here who is more disappointed that they did nothing with this samurai design? Ever since they revealed Ganondorf's new design, I eagerly looked forward to seeing a samurai-themed boss fight against him. But I didn't get that. Instead I got one of the most lame humanoid boss fights in recent memory.
They can't top the Twilight Princess fight. It's impossible. And so, they don't even try.
why isn't he a mummy?
does TotK not actually have Twilight stuff? I haven't been keeping up (besides the porn)
>why isn't he a mummy?
He only looks like that because Raruru (first king of Hyrule) sealed him under Hyrule Castle for ages on end at the cast of his life. He stops looking like a mummy once he gets his power back fully.
>does TotK not actually have Twilight stuff?
The Twilight Realm itself isn't in the game but there are TP items in the game.
I thought it was dumb too until I actually tried reading NPC dialogue, then it all made sense. I want to kill most of these homosexuals too.
>fully voice-acted
There's like 200 voiced lines out of 20,000.
Why is Ganker acting like "everyone" wanted generic evil Dorf? This board was cut right down the middle.
I thought he was done plenty fine. He was the male Gerudo king, who clearly set his sights on Hyrule to expand his domain, as he feels its his birthright to rule. He got blown the frick out by Rauru, and started to covet this secret stones that gave him so much power. He pretended to submit to get close to them, then stole a stone for himself. Its clear at that point the stone went to his head when he used it and warped him into the all consuming Demon King he was going forward, wanting to plunge the land in darkness. Flash forward to him waking up as mummydorf, and he basically held up in the depths slowly rehydrating while sending him minions out to terrorize the land. Except there was barely any opposition. He even states how disappointed he is there isn't shit worth opposing him top side. He didn't do shit because he was both recharging, and saw no meaningful threat to even overcome. Then as you beat his ass, he gets more and more invigorated and goes full Demon King again.
Triforce of power is a corrupting force. You just want to feel good about headcanon while you look at porn
>Had to wait two games before I could sword fight the homie again.
>Game has Fuse, Ascend, Ultrahand, Recall as its central mechanics
>Entire game built around them
>Bossfights let you put them into use, like the Flux Construct letting you use all four abilities to great effect
>Recall hinox thrown bomb barrels, ascend into battle talus platforms, build ultrahand vehicles to fight enemies, etc etc
>Spend all the game completing 5 questlines/dungeons to get 5 sage abilities
>..........
>NONE OF IT APPLIES TO THE FINAL BOSS
>no fuse targets in the arena, only what you bring with you
>no platforms to ascend to
>ganondorfs projectiles are immune to recall
>ganondorf immune to frost/shock/fire emitters
>specifically flagged to take 95% reduced damage from beam emitters. (WHY? you still kill him instantly with ruby multishot bows in slo mo like everything else)
>destroys ultrahand vehicles instantly with every single attack or just moving into them
Brilliant design by nintendo as usual
"Had fun playing our physics box game? Here's Soldier of Godrick"
Based.
Ganondorf's fight was basically a Dark Link fight that evolved and got stronger as the fight went on. He has the same kinds of weapons that you use and similar abilities.
As a final boss it works, and you're still using skills that you should have built up playing through the game. If it was just some random enemy or mid-game boss that pulled this shit yeah it would be badly designed.
Colgera does this. I think the Gibdo queen does as well but I honestly could not tell if I beat that thing correctly.
You had your Banjo Kazooie nuts and bolts fun.
Now pick up your sword and duel like a fricking man.
Ganondorf in OoT was never shown with any more motivation than muahaha evil, and given that the past events of TotK are basically a retelling of that story I didn't expect any differently.
I do think it's a missed opportunity for Zombiedorf, though. We've been shown in WW that after hundreds of years of imprisonment, Ganondorf became more pensive and thoughtful. He was still evil and had the same goals, but he was able to justify why he felt the way he felt and did what he did.
Sorry OP I guess you didn't know that Nintendo makes videogames for children
>fully voice acted
You didn't play it.
>has an army of smoking hot amazon warriors at his command
>turns against them the second he can summon a bunch of moronic goblin dipshits armed with tree branches and sticks
Was Ganondorf a fricking idiot?
can't live with them
I'm glad they made Ganondorf just be an butthole. It's refreshing to finally have an butthole villain
I actually agree with Ganondorf in this game. The Zonai are not native to Hyrule but one of them becomes King and married a brown hylian. Ganondorf has every right to want to rule. He also has the Triforce of Power, which makes it his calling. Rauru is a huge homosexual who should have just died.
>Ganondorf has every right to want to rule.
Then the game should have at least established that this was what he was trying to do. Even just something like people in villages saying monsters showed up with letters of demands from Ganondorf would help
>He also has the Triforce of Power,
The triforce does not exist
>Then the game should have at least established that this was what he was trying to do.
If you were the sole male born to an all female society, you'd likely pretty easily get some notions that you should rule everything, especially land owned by some smelly goat man always going on about his secret balls.
Unfortunately races will never actually factor into any story or any character's feelings or motivations because Nintendo wouldn't want the potential for controversy there. Kind of a shame because I think Hyrule would be more interesting with just a touch of politics present. Closest we'll ever get is OoT.
I just wish we could know what King Raum's stance on reparations was.
It's never explained why he attacked Hyrule in the first place although I can imagine a few reasons the Gerudo would play along
He does say that Rauru tried to control him after he surrendered, but given Ganon's mindset that might have been anything Rauru said, up to and including accepting Ganon's pledge in the first place
Funny enough he actually approves of Rauru's marriage to a Hylian in a very Gerudo line of reasoning even if he simultaneously uses it as an opportunity to point out they're alien invaders
So, any in game reason why the tri-force of power is always evil? Evil could make use of wisdom and courage.
no
>b-but ganondorf
ganondorf was evil before the triforce of power
Because Link and Zelda exist, so they become the defacto holders of courage and wisdom.
So is the god/goddess that is over power evil? I figured that tri-force in itself is neutral.
The goddesses seem completely random in how they act. They're almost totally hands off except for the one instance in Wind Waker.
No, gods are generally shown as pretty fickle and aloof. The triforce as a whole would want a wielder who can embody power, wisdom, and courage. Since Ganondorf is the one that tried to steal it, and he only embodies power, he could only claim that piece.
Trying to steal directly form the gods take some big balls. Dude has max courage.
Yeah man Ganondorf was so courageous he had to hide behind a 10 year old and trick him into opening the way to the sacred realm.
The pantheon is unexplored so we don't know much about them. This is especially true in the breath of the wild setting, as the goddesses are not really referenced and other gods and mythological beings exist (Hylia, the horned god, the faeries and the bargainer brethren, and the zonai were treated as living gods as Ganon points out)
I hate that they keep introducing new shit.
While I do understand that they're afraid of being accused of rehashing, some fricking consistency wouldn't hurt, would it?
Were the secret stones necessary? Frick no, they're moronic, as are the Zonai. Are sages now just dudes with stones?
Why the frick is the first king of Hyrule a three-eyed goat cat, and why does this three-eyed goat cat have a name associated with a guy who has an owl aspect?
Twilight Princess seems to imply that something is off about Din, calling Ganon being granted the Triforce of Power a divine joke, and a statue that is apparently in her likeness features a snake.
Power corrupts, generally. Those with power tend to crave more.
The real question is why does Din allow it to fall into the hands of those who are evil?
I just fricking hate how the Zelda devs have no sense of time at all.
The timeline must be spanning over a million years at this stage
kotaku pedos still mindbroken by a children's game. Holy frick. Get a job, losers.
I just wish the triforce actually existed in BOTW/TOTK
too bad, you get discount chaos emeralds
>villain is always the same in every game
>NOOOO THIS NEW GAME THE VILLIAN IS THE SAME AGAIN
cry about it
>evil for the sake of being evil
Isn’t that the best evil?
>complaining about bad writing in a video game for 7 years old kids
He's a bad guy, that's p much it
What kind of deep story do you expect of psychopath anyway? You can't do a text dump like in old wrpgs. Best you could do is give him a portal song.
I don't actually care if his motivations are one-dimensional or thin. My issue with Ganondorf in TotK is that AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS in the first cutscene and then I have literally no clue what he's doing the rest of the time. There are some obviously fake Zeldas walking around but they honestly seem to be kind of helping because they keep guiding Link to the source of various problems. Most people don't really give a shit though and the various races think the things happening to them are shitty, but not like world-ending bad.
No one really seems that put off by what's happening and no one's talking about an upsurge in monster activity or anything. The monster clearing forces feel like they're just an existing service in the wake of BotW's Calamity where they're mopping up dumb monsters that are just content to sit around roasting fish and fighting each other even after Ganondorf's reawakening. The majority of story content you get is stuff in the past with Zelda desperate to help you defeat what is apparently the baddest dude ever, but once the guy reawakens, nothing really happens. The castle flies into the sky and gloom shows up, but it doesn't seem to be spreading and nothing more than a minor inconvenience where most people just avoid touching it. In my like 70 hours of gameplay, it never felt like Ganondorf was actually doing anything. I honestly forgot what happened to him and had to rewatch the opening to see that he just fell back into the hole.
If his plan was to just divide and conquer, he wouldn't lead Link to the sources of all the problems and would lead him on a wild goose chase or something. I don't think there are any quests where one of his Phantom Ganons are menacing a town or something. They're all in out-of-the-way areas that do nothing until triggered.
as the name suggest, Zelda is "legend", and like all these mythological things the villain is just evil because yes.
or can you explain why Sauron is evil? or Morgoth?
Sauron is evil because he desires the power to create but cannot do so, and indulges in the power to conquer and corrupt instead
That's Morgoth, Sauron is a control freak.
But Morgoth can create. He created the Orcs, Dragons etc.
Orcs are corrupted elves, not original creations. Similarly, trolls are mockeries of ents. Balrogs are corrupted maia. With dragons it's less clear, I'll give you that, but they were likely bred forth from some other type of beast.
I haven't read lotr i was just guessing to piss that guy off
Im tired of pretending wind waker ganon was not kino. I have read monologues by classical REVERED literature villains and his monologue is genuinely on par with them if not better. It is the only time barring wind waker where the zelda games (or nintendo as a whole) has written kino. Maybe TTYD is a distant second.
Der ewige Cubie
The voice acting is there because their target audience refuses to read. There's no grand purpose or artistic vision behind it, they're not doing it because it improves the games. The bar as just dropped so low that reading - a skill everyone learns as children - is now considered asking too much of the attention span of their audience. God help kids man, OOT and Pokemon are how my dyslexic ass learned to read.
What a waste of an amazing fricking design
>calamity ganon is just ganon seething for thousands of years because he is stuck under the castle and his and seething gains form because of it
Heh
Again, nobody cares about his motivations and other soi shit. The reasons why everyone hates TotK Ganondorf are: 1) He is weak 2) He has no memorable scenes 3) He has no personality 4) His fights are shit 5) His music is shit 6) He accomplishes nothing 7) He is pathetic.
I don't think Zelda, Link or Ganondorf are allowed to have personalities anymore, but also the writing has never been a focus of the games. You're delusional if you think there was ever a chance that'd change in BotW's sequel without BotW treating it's characters differently first.
>but also the writing has never been a focus of the games
ENTER
Majora's Mask is my favorite, but do you think it had a focus on writing? The mood is nice and Skull Kid gets some back story, but it's the same cliches and quirky characters as every other Zelda game. You could replace every line of dialogue with gibberish without subtitles and the only thing it'd hurt is how the games deliver tutorials.
>but it's the same cliches and quirky characters as every other Zelda game
have a nice day
Nice argument.
>I don't think Zelda, Link or Ganondorf are allowed to have personalities anymore
But BOTW/AoC/TOTK Zelda has a personality. One of the most defined ones in fact.
Also, this Link kind of has a personality, but it’s more in AoC where he’s pre-amnesia.
You’re kidding right? He was a massive xenophobe, he hated how Rauru came over and started acting like everything was his, he hated how that Hylian woman defiled herself. Anyway it’s a shame the story and Ganondorf himself was such garbage, especially after BOTW’s neatly thought out story. Oh well.
zanishart was his long lost brother and he discovered Zelda killed him...
>notice the gerudo women rallying behind their king in the cutscenes
>they've done this before
>they will do it again
>they also destroy the bloodlines of anyone that cooms between those thick caramel thighs as they only birth more gerudo
Truly the spawn of demise.
Why isn't there more lore about Ganondorfs mother?
You think she'd be involved me in the legend or story or some shit.
Maybe cast away and excommunicated or something.
Why haven't the twinrova come back yet
The twinrowa witches are in the background in the scene where Ganondorf is invited to the castle.
They must be DLC bosses right? It seems weird to have those unique designs and then nothing is done with it.
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Do you story gays play Mario and complain that all Bowser wants to do is kidnap princesses?
No because he's an actor, dipshit
They play Paper Mario, and they DO complain about that