>Creator absolutely hates the setting and franchise he's writing for
>Makes one of the best characters and by extension stories in the entire series
What excuse to modern writers have?
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>Creator absolutely hates the setting and franchise he's writing for
The only people who think she’s a good character have only ever done a single play through.
Play the game more than once and pick the opposite choice this time and she says the exact same criticizing line. Whether you do good or evil you get an earful of this hag no matter your choice. It’s clearly just to give an illusion of criticism.
>filtered
Just like real life.
>moron brings up that one scene that happens like that for a specific purpose
Literally, unironically, genuinely, truthfully, without question, fricking filtered.
It's just causality.
>Play the game more than once and pick the opposite choice this time and she says the exact same criticizing line
She's trying to make you critically think and have an answer whatever you chose.
How do so many normalgays get filtered so hard by the mentor type?
>Teaches you to think critically about your choices
>Half of her approval bonuses derive from dicking people over for genuinely no reason
Dunno man, I think she might be poorly written or something
>for genuinely no reason
Except that's mcfrickingwrong, you triple Black person jian homosexual. She disapproves of random cruelty, but approves of manipulation and acts of good or ill that benefit you tangibly.
Hacking the blind moron's droid to pay you more than the agreed sum gives you influence with Kreia. Killing that one b***h for an early lightsaber part tanks your influence with Kreia.
>killing for money LE GOOD
>killing for a powerful weapon LE BAD
sounds like a poorly written character to me
She thinks lightsabers are overrated.
She also uses fricking four at once so that should tell you something about her.
She doesn't hate lightsabers, she hates jedi who think lightsabers mean anything else than being a powerful melee weapon, which is why she uses four and the force to manipulate them.
>nooooo, my heckin power fantasy escapism, I should always be right noooool
Itl be 2060 and morons will still be getting filtered by a character from Samurai Wizards in Space.
It's not an illusion. Every game giving you morally or ethically good or evil choices does so with the intention of giving you the most surface level consequences possible.
Mass Effect has this issue save for very last choice you can make. SWTOR has this issue too and it came out far later. Kreia is telling you not to make strictly good or bad choices because "it's good/bad"; whatever you end up doing WILL have good and bad consequences regardless. You even see it happen in the game like Onderon and Narshadaa
you fricking literal idiot missing the point
>he doesn't just leave the granny in the spaceship
>pick the opposite choice this time and she says the exact same criticizing line.
there's noooo way that flew over your head. decent bait
Kotor2 is a bad game compared to the first, period.
>character makes you critically think despite your choice
>anon gets filtered
>Play the game more than once and pick the opposite choice this time and she says the exact same criticizing line. Whether you do good or evil you get an earful of this hag no matter your choice. It’s clearly just to give an illusion of criticism.
Yes, that's... that's sort of obvious if you actually understand what her motives are. Are you sure you've done a complete run of this game and aren't just basing your opinions on an image you saw posted here?
Yes you idiot that's the point she's testing you to see if you're a person or a npc who doesn't think about his own actions
When was this game released? Are westoids really impressed by basic shit like this? What the frick
All of the hype and memes surrounding this character is about this?
No wonder why no one takes games seriously
You didn't understand why she criticized you.
Getting "Then you truly begins to understand" and a net rep gain is a great dopamine burst.
I don't think Avellone hated/hates Star Wars, he just wanted to write a different kind of Star Wars story
He doesn't, it's a myth perpetuated by butthurt bioware cultists.
Avellone definitely likes SW. He likes the Prequels and the OT, which makes sense since those are the movies KOTOR 2 draws most heavily from. He also said that he really liked TCW animated series, although he did say that it took awhile to find its feet.
I could have saved her/ fixed her tbh. I’d prefer to date her when she was young, but granny Kreia is fine too.
she could have only been made by someone who fricking hates star wars
which is why she's the only star wars character i like
The problem is the game doesn't give you an option to tell her to frick off. You always have to agree with her in some way. I don't see why people think this is good writing.
You know you're not prevented from progressing if she has low approval, right?
Why must you lie on a phoenician hair braiding chat?
You can literally disagree with her the entire game.
>but muh min max points
That's on you, homosexual.
It's good writing because she's a woman and like most women you can't please them no matter what you do. Her and Sylvanas (because she's irrational and contradicts herself) are the best written female characters in any media.
She's just like my mom, always b***hing about anything i do
>The problem is the game doesn't give you an option to tell her to frick off
It literally does.
Shut the frick up secondary.
>character disapproves of what you did
>GRRR BAD WRITING
>he thinks he's railroaded because he refuses to progress in his own way if he takes an approval hit
>kreia's metagame message is about thinking for yourself rather than mindlessly picking the +points option
This has to be the single most ironic post I've seen in years.
How the frick could you possibly be this dense?
>You always have to agree with her in some way.
Not true, you can argue with her and disagree severely with some of her stances and opinions.
Because you are tied by force you mongoloid. And you can just not take her with you.
You're also a spastic because if you don't take her with you, she just communicates with you telepathically and the conversations happen anyway.
>The problem is the game doesn't give you an option to tell her to frick off.
Yes it does. When did this board get so overrun with morons? Are they all just zoomers who don't play games?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVERYTHING BAD!!!!!!!!!!!
moronic character in a shit sequel to a good game
>download KOTOR2 again
>DS Jesus Exile
>take LS choices as appropriate when the alternative is just being moronic
>spare the masters
>rivalry the entire party so they all become Jedi
>restart the Trayus Academy
>be a better Jedi than the moronic masters and a better Sith than the moronic Triumvirate, refound both orders by my influence
Now there's a kino.
YWNBAS
>I will criticize you for every choice you make so you either solidify your beliefs or consider other equally valid options because there is no objectivity in this world
How the frick do so many people get filtered by Kreia she's your average Ganker contrarian but instead of shitposting she's trying to help guide you to whatever it is you really want
>BUT IM THE MC
>EVERYONE MUST LOVE ME
Are you sure it isn't the opposite? It takes true dedicated understanding and appreciation of the setting to realize and play with its shortcomings.
Oh well. Post more best hag.
>Still no Kreia romance mod using voice ai
We have the technology people
I don't have a thing for old ladies or anything but I would like to go on a date with Kreia and possibly have sex with her after.
>creators hate the IP they're writing for
>decide to make the 'The Last Jedi' of Star Wars video games before TLJ was a thing.
>just like TLJ, there are diehards who will forever defend it as the best Star Wars
it's like poetry, it rhymes
Nobody defends the last jedi
Where does this meme of him hating it come from? Did you see it on Ganker once moron and take it as gospel?
>his "mouthpiece" character says some negative things about the nature of the setting that make logical sense but don't really vibe with the general tone
>that means his opinions are 1:1 with the literal villain of the game
>Was the principle writer for the character
>Jerks off about how ambiguous and complex she is every other sentence
I wonder where people got that impression...
Kenshiro won.
Kreia would like Kenshiro because he is everything the jedi or sith are not.
>shows compassion and empathy of his own volition and not when compelled by circumstances or teachings
>is not afraid to experience deep emotion, but at the same time has cultivated the willpower necessary to withstand intense sorrow and anger both, in other words he is truly alive without succumbing to excesses of living
>does not rely on borrowed power or things that could be easily taken from him to attain his goals, man literally has nothing but his clothes and his fists
>constantly seeks to better himself and pits himself against opponents that are often times stronger than him, better equipped than he is and have much more substantial backing
I doubt you've even seen or read FOTNS.
So this is how you're spinning the narrative after all these years. Proof you lost.
What years and what have I lost exactly? Kenshiro is a literal ubermensch, that is exactly what Kreia is trying to teach the exile to become. Shut the frick up you dumb dribbling hole.
You lost. Akagi lost. Kreia lost. Avellone lost. The moralgay won. You can't try to change the rules after the game has ended.
>ummm achshully we love moralgays sweatie, didn't you get the memo???
No.
I mean Revan ended up being this way too. He starts saying both jedi and sith have a misunderstanding of the force. Then he gets mindbroken for some reason and abandons his wife to go disappear somewhere or something
>not when compelled by circumstances
the frick does that even mean
you showing compassion or empathy is literally predicated on circumstances
If this is a joke about Hokuto no Ken being a war between the South and North Stars, a Star War if you will, it's a stretch and the joke isn't very funny.
I will never tire of homosexuals mindbroken by Kreia, she has the same effects on pseuds that SOTL has.
absolutely hates the setting and franchise he's writing for
I dont remember Avellone hating it. He spend months back to back doing research and engulfing into star wars lore.
I think he just hadn't seen too much of it, I don't even remember if he watched the movies or not.
they have a Disney Rep inside their ass to make sure whatever they're writing doesn't contradict a comic book that came out Yesterday and is laying ground work for another Star Wars project that comes out tomorrow.
KOTOR is so far removed from the rest of the IP you can do anything, part of the reason Disney threw away the Expanded Universe, any sensible business person would want the coolest stuff to happen on film.
>select option
>bad
>select other option
>bad
>do you see the lesson i've shown you?
>frick off granny
>Kreia chastises the Force for dooming the galaxy to an eternity of conflict for the sake of balance
>Episode 8 makes a point that the Force will auto-balance the Light and Dark side teams whenever the scales are tipped
Chris Avellone calling out the sequel trilogy's bullshit over a decade before it came out
That isn't how the Force works at all, it's just bullshit Disney made up. However Lucas' bullshit with the Whills is even more accurate to what Kreia was seething about.
It’s worse than that.
The line was supposed to be a generic platitude about good not suffering evil, but it got translated to autobalance because there is LITERALLY no other explanation for Rey’s bullshit
>What if things aren't black and white?
>What if subtlety existed?
>What if the force was le bad?
>What if you replaced every third word in the script with "echo"?
They tried to do something a little different, and they put serious thought into theming. They had intention and ambition. I can respect that. But the end result isn't actually a good enough story to justify the smug praise of the people who act like it's the best story in the franchise.
It's a million times better than the weapons-grade SUBVERTED EXPECTATIONS we get nowadays, but stop pretending the game was a narrative masterpiece, or that Kreia wasn't legitimately annoying.
She was annoying in a way that was believable for a manipulative narcissist. It made for a good character. But that doesn't mean you're "filtered" if you justifiably hate her. She makes some insightful comments, but she also has other beliefs that aren't half as clever as she pretends they are. Then when you justifiably remain unconvinced, she just calls you an idiot. She says she wants you to think for yourself, but if you do and come to any conclusion (other than selfish accumulation of power and/or listening to her), then she accuses you of failing to think for yourself.
>I don't want you to agree with me, I want you to think. But if you think anything other than what I think, then that means you didn't actually think, idiot.
She's a frickhead. Interesting character though. And written pretty well. not amazing.
Finally somebody not worshiping her or seething over her.
>the smug praise of the people who act like it's the best story in the franchise.
So what story is better in the franchise?
The only truly hamfisted writing surrounding her is as a Dark Side Exile where you kill the masters. She asks if you feel satisfied having killed them and the player simply has no option to say yes or even no in a direct way, just options where you can say yes or no "but there's still more I need to kill". The purpose of this is obviously to showcase that DSExile is basically just pulling a Scion or Nihilus, and is on a totally empty path of violence for violence's sake which ultimately has no satisfaction or self-actualization at all. In other words it's just to show the Exile is a hopeless addict. But it's still bullshit because there's no real reason why you shouldn't be able to say that you were truly satisfied by killing them, or why saying that there are other threats like the Sith or Atris isn't a valid objective no matter your exact feelings on the masters.
It's a great moment overall, but it is the main case where the writing is trying too hard to justify itself.
Why is Star Wars so popular these days? You don't see Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica getting this kind of recognition.
the prequel era resulted in a huge blitz of material across all mediums. Star Trek and especially BSG never had even close to the same level of cultural saturation.
Prequels sucked, Star Wars should have never expanded beyond the OT. Plinkett was right.
The movies were terrible but that doesn't change that the Clone Wars multimedia project was fricking huge and the movies themselves had a pretty significant impact on pop culture as a whole.
>"Prequels great because I can expend more money!"
Are you moronic? The MMP wasn't that good or well received either.
where the frick did I say anything about quality
If anything you are the moron.
He never said the prequels were great or that the MMP was good.
How the frick does someone speed-read and misinterpret a single fricking sentence.
Except the original trilogy was the one that sucked so remove that and just have the prequels
Here's an actual unpopular theory
All main SW movies sucked. All of them
The original, the prequels and the sequels. All suck.
The only good thing about this franchise is the quality side content it generated (games, Genndy's cartoon, etc)
Maybe unpopular but correct.
Katarn alone mogs all main sw protags.
Katarn is a Gary Stu Han Solo ripoff with a lightsaber. He is a non-character.
Katarn is the Han Solo that Harrison Ford wishes he could have been.
You are a low IQ manchild.
It's not that kind of movie, kid.
Yet he mogs every Nu Wars character just by the mention of his name alone.
Katarn mogs han solo simply because he's not a israelite 🙂
People like you are a reason I despise Rey even more than her character deserves.
It's thanks to her that a legion of absolute morons thinks powerful/competent = mary-sue, when that was the absolute least of Rey's problems.
moronic, tasteless Gankerermin.
Prequels are great but keep spittin your truth moron-kun
Why are Obsidian fans so up this game's ass?
>doing thing is bad
>doing opposite of thing is bad
>doing nothing is bad
Wow, so deep. 10/10 writing.
I know she`s a perpetually seething decrepit old hag that loves to insult everyone around her.
But I still would.
>I know she`s a perpetually seething decrepit old hag that loves to insult everyone around her.
So she is me but a woman.
Still would
I heckin' hate myself because I bought the first game thinking the memes came from that one, only to realize she's only in the second one.
What's the best way to play these games?
Smartphone while you're supposed to be working.
What would Kreia think about Zayne?
>learns to use his abilities his own way, rather than going down a set path that wasn't working
>doesn't think with his lightsaber first and foremost
>is aware of his weaknesses and tries to cover them
>wins his ultimate victory by being a manipulative little shit
Influence gained: Kreia
I wonder if john jackson miller has said anything about the zayne = nihilus, lucien = sion theory
Wasn’t Lucien a deliberate red herring?
I remember him rejecting the title and the person who tried to give it to him
I swear, the KotOR comics and the Plagueis novel were the only good post-2008 Star Wars content.
Zayne is the Exile and him getting completely dicked around by the Force is a prime example of her point.
isn't avellone hating star wars a meme?
I doubt that he hates Star Wars. Someone who genuinely hates the franchise wouldn't have been able to write KOTOR 2. It would have been aimless irreverent shit-slinging like The Last Jedi.
absolutely hates the setting and franchise he's writing for
Kotor is interesting because it started with the writers wanting to shit on starwars and deconstruct it but as time went on they fell in love with the universe and lore of it and appreciated starwars for what it is, which wrapped back around to telling an earnest starwars story even if it plays with the broader themes of the setting
DUN DUN DUN
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN
DUN DUN
>Creator absolutely hates the setting and franchise he's writing for
Blatantly false, Avellone loves Star Wars, he just hated how narrowminded the IP was at the time.
Kreia's a great filter for the average gamer; she, and the game she belongs to, are no works of genius but are at least leagues better than almost all other RPGs out there. The average developer and gamer can't tell garbage and half-decent writing apart.
>The Force is LE BAD
>pick choice 1
>10 minute monologue on how LE BAD you are
>pick choice 2 instead
>10 minute monologue on how LE BAD you are
Great character
I don't think her plan would've succeeded regardless
even if Exile accepts her plan what then
Exile is unique, the whole experience of Malachor can't really be replicated again and again to create more people with this "echo" effect and even if it that happens you are creating a third side in force conflict that would present itself as a threat to both jedi and sith larpers even with diminished number of force users, the battlefield will never be on her favor
it's desperate plan at best
At worst it would result in a galactic xenocide where all life is wiped out. At best that also happens but some lifeforms hit that one-in-a-billion Exile lottery and survive without the Force. Either outcome is acceptable to her.
But that's just like the backup plan anyway. She was really hoping to just help the Exile grow beyond her.
I feel like people aren't taking into account that you're allowed to disagree with her. You're powerful af in the setting. Whatever.
>You're powerful af in the setting
You're the only Force-sensitive strong enough out of thousands to choose life without the Force over death.
In the end, Kreia literally says she loves you because you represent something she didn't think was possible.
Most whining homosexuals were probably filtered by the writing long before that though.
The writing itself was never the problem to these people.
It's the fact that there's a character that doesn't mongle MC wiener, and save scumming won't help, that's the issue
>I feel like people aren't taking into account that you're allowed to disagree with her.
Yes, but my companions (slaves) shouldn't be able to disagree with me, I'm the protagonist!
Visas should be worshipping my balls with her delicious DSLs daily!
Brianna > Visas
Holy terrible taste.
based tomboy > cringe eyeless prostitute
Sorry you chose wrong.
DSLs > no DSLs
The science is settled
Just checked with the science and it says you have shit taste (terminal).
Sorry, can't hear you bby
And she can't see you bby
(she wouldn't want to)
She doesn't need to in order to do the needful.
And yet my girl doesn't even have to be told to get naked.
Yeah, except "your" girl will get naked in front of everyone who challenges her to a duel.
And your girl loses every single one.
I know, it's great.
Pathetic.
Kreia is just the subversion to Biowarelike "This option is good, while this one is bad!". It was an interesting take, showcasing how careless charity and evil dickheadery could be just as consequential as the other.
Check my OC she a bleck eye Siff & can trippel wield lightsaber n she hate the force yeah
KOTOR 2 is up there with The Line in games where the lead developers just needed to keep their fricking mouths shut. If Avellone had just shut the frick up then people could talk about Kreia based on her beliefs as a character and agree or disagree with her accordingly (which is leagues more interesting), but because Avellone is a moron who huffs his own farts you can't talk about her without it being a discussion on what he himself thinks of Star Wars because she's his mouthpiece.
I just want Star Wars to go back to how it was in that era between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
Astounds me how quickly those days of peak SW just flew by in hindsight, and I was blissfully unaware.
We had it so good.
Revenge of the Sith was the best movie, so I feel SW peaked in 2005. Plinkett ruined everything.
SW was never good
Abel line didn’t hate SW, that’s a misconception. He even wrote a bunch of SW comics.
old hag i luv me Visas
simple as
I have never done a Light Side playthrough.
It just doesn’t interest me, and I feel the story is much more interesting when you kill the Masters.
you have failed her then, completely and utterly