credit where credit is due, Pathfinder's OST blows Baldur's Gate's out of the fricking water
credit where credit is due, Pathfinder's OST blows Baldur's Gate's out of the fricking water
credit where credit is due, Pathfinder's OST blows Baldur's Gate's out of the fricking water
Down By the River > All of WotR's OST > The rest of BG3's OST
Wasteland 3's is better than either's OST.
PFs ost isn't bad, but nothing special too. Borislav though, he never made a bad piece of music in his life. Down By the River had me spend untold amount of time in character creator, both in the EA and on release.
>Pathfinder in general is better than BG3
By any metric conceivable that's simply untrue. You can like whatever you like, but BG3 is a better game in every single regard.
Wrong. Both DivOS games has good music. Kirill is obvious, but Borislav is underrated. He's way better than people give him credit for.
>BG3 is a better game in every single regard.
In which regards, other than sales?
Every regard. Pathfinder is bordering on shovelware.
>Every regard.
0/10 b8, you can't even elaborate.
>Better combat.
It's just revamped D:OS with their memey object manipulation.
>Better polished.
In what regard?
>More content.
Pathfinder games area already too long, so more content is a detriment.
>Much better reactivity.
What does that even mean?
>Just simple movement is exhausting.
wat
>Lots of stupid restrictions.
Like what?
>It's just revamped D:OS
Yeah, and DivOS games has the best combat out of all CRPGs by a HUGE margin precisely because of
>memey object manipulation.
You hate fun and creativity? How odd.
>In what regard?
In direct regard. BG3 is a much more polished game. Larian doesn't leave their games hanging and are actually listening to the player feedback and fixing their game post haste.
>Pathfinder games area already too long, so more content is a detriment.
Now I know this is just a sad attempt at baiting.
>more quality content is bad you guise
Won't grace you with any more answers since you're clearly arguing in bad faith.
>DivOS games has the best combat out of all CRPGs by a HUGE margin
I absolutely hated it and it's one of the reason why I won't like BG3.
>You hate fun and creativity? How odd.
I want classic P&P combat.
>Now I know this is just a sad attempt at baiting.
Why? 100 hour+ are too long IMO.
Games that logn don't consist only of "quality" content but there will be plenty of padding and time wasting. It also hurts replayability.
Tyranny was ideal in that regard.
>It also hurts replayability.
I agree somewhat. So many build choices and you won't be able to play through them all.
Better combat. Better music. Better visuals. Better voice acting. Better polished. More content. Much better reactivity. Writing is subjective to a degree so I'll leave that out. I mean, PFs are made on fricking Unity. They're unwieldy and rough around the edges all around. Just simple movement is exhausting. Lots of stupid restrictions. BG3 on the other hand is snappy and responsive, despite being turn based. Though I played PF mostly in turned based mode too. RTwP is abysmal there. Even the BG had better implemented RTwP than PFs. A
>Much better reactivity
Yes, I fricking love it when every single [Race], [Class], [Oath] and [Deity] dialogue option redirects you to the exact same generic blanket response.
>"Alright, but how do I know you can really get the job done?"
>Response to [Fighter] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Half-Orc] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Dragonborn] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Ranger] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Paladin] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Oath of Vengeance] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Oath of Devotion] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Drow] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
>Response to [Dwarf] option: "Hm, alright, you look like you can handle yourself in a fight"
On a first playthrough you go "huh, neat they reacted to my character". Then you do it again and realize 95% of npcs react the same exact way no matter who's talking to them. If you're lucky they'll have an extra 5-second line talking about using magic or blades depending on whether you're a martial class (which you can tell was tacked on afterwards because the sound quality is 50 times worse, like half of everything halsin says).
It's based on DnD 5th edition, so it is trash by default.
>Nuh, uh you don't understand, you cannot go above lvl 12 because, uh...
Balance is shit?
>NOOOOOO wizard spells get so unba
so balance is shit? 5th edition is fricking shit?
>NOOOOOO nobody plays above lvl 12 BECAUSE-
it's shit, play pathfinder instead, a system that isn't shit, 1e or 2e, doesn't matter.
>STOP OPPRESSING ME
DnD troons deserve the rope.
5E is fine. PF is autistic garbage for smelly neckbeards. In short - go back to /tg/ Black person.
5e is absolutely not fine, not even the lead designer know how that system works.
my favorite example is when asked about a monster ability he said that the Rakshasa can walk through a NONMAGICAL wall that was conjured by the Wall of Stone spell because of his limited magic immunity
Clearly defined rules is sweaty tryhard neckbeard stuff according to 5e babies who has to have the GM play the game for them because you're not required to learn any rules to play apparently.
yeah, i rather have some rules on how to intimidate an enemy in combat instead of just "lol i dunno roll a d20 i guess"
frick 5e, thank god for pf2e
>muh balance
Isn't pathinder also unbalanced? That's why enemies have buffed stats to ridiculous degree?
Who gives a frick anyway. Balance autism killed PoE. Fun not allowed.
>Muh RP
unloading the work onto the GM because the system doesn't work is not an argument in 5e's favor.
>Game so unbalanced, your stats get so high
>Wtf why are the enemies stats so high?
The frick is wrong with 5e trannies?
>Much better reactivity
I haven't played pathfinder but if it somehow has worse reactivity than BG3 it must be awful. BG3's reactivity is so hilariously overblown that I have no idea why people keep praising it.
>I haven't played pathfinder but if it somehow has worse reactivity than BG3 it must be awful
Yeah it's pretty goddamn bad, I'd think you'd be shocked by how awful pathfinder is.
>BG3 on the other hand is snappy and responsive
lol
>BG3 on the other hand is snappy and responsive
Lol? This game's pathfinding is fricking awful and it frequently freezes in the middle of combat after you give an order. You will not be able to play this game and not see moments where your character runs in a circle to climb on top of the container you want them to open instead of just opening it when they were already standing in front to fit. You will also always see the game just hang after an attack command for a few seconds while you wait for everything to finally register. This happens at least once every other combat encounter.
Literally the only metric BG3 wins by is production value, BG3 has better character models, voice acting, and cutscenes, it wins at looking and sounding like highbudget marvelslop by every other conceivable metric, including OST, Pathfinder objectively wins and it isn't even close. Gameplay systems, characters, plot progression, reactivity, encounter design, roleplaying. atmosphere, ect.
What you're telling me is you're incapable of separating quality from budget.
>encounter design
lol
lmao
Come on
There wasn't a single encounter in BG3 that made me sit back, read the enemy statblocks to devise an actionable plan to overcome their myriad resistances and immunities like in pathfinder, not a single fricking one. Meanwhile I wasn't out of the first act in Pathfinder when I had a series of encounters that each made me completely change my approach based on the placement and composition of enemy groups.
>Gameplay systems, characters, plot progression, reactivity, encounter design, roleplaying. atmosphere, ect.
All better in BG3.
Also
>encounter design
>in RTwPslop
lmao don't forget to prebuff once again autistic moron. Also don't forget to stack that AC from mishmashing different classes without any sense of cohesion.
>atmosphere
BG3s camp atmosphere alone beats the entirety of PFslop.
>roleplaying
>reactivity
Oh muh alignments
Oh muh paths
Bori is mid as frick. Hail Kirill.
Low IQ opinions like this belon on reddit. Go back.
if Kirill is so great, how come he's dead??
you must be the guy who was brazen enough to say Bori "never made a bad piece of music in his life"
Down by the River isn't even the best track on BG3's OST. I Want to Live (Classical Version) blows it out of the water. Y'all got some real abominable taste.
overrated and isn't even relevant to the game's story anymore after leaving EA. Like
said it isn't even the best song on the soundtrack.
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Pathfinder's OST is bland movie score music.
Baldur's Gate is the score for an actual adventure.
Pathfinder in general is better than BG3
I bought pathfinder a year before bg3 was release, I'm yet to finish act 1 in both games. bg3 on other hand was a fun game from the start to the finish
no
larian always had extremely mediocre music.
No they didn't, the Divinity series had amazing music up until OS2 because the composer died before it and then it was only okay.
>tfw no longer a mortal gnat
imagine this chad as the DM for a pf2 game
All the cuck shitposting Pathfindergays are so obsessed with would finally become real
posting in epic bait thread
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I hear nothing but absolute greatness.
Druids Grove is mediocre, the harpy song is a much better theme to list if you're trying to talk about 5 of the best songs in the game.
>battle music 3
I hear that shit in my sleep
>YOGGOH GAYBAYBEE YAGGA DOGGIE GAGA A BEE LUBA DUBA LUB LUB
These are okay, but the tracks in WotR are betta imo
snoring
Meh. Nothing unique or memorable. I've heard dozens of such pieces throughout the years and don't remember most of them. Even fricking Dragon Age Inquisition had a more memorable music. Meanwhile I'll remember a large portion of BG3s OST for decades.
can't believe I actually listened toGanker and got baited into playing pathfinder. what a dogshit game. It actually made pillars of eternity seem like a 10/10 in comparison for me.
I saw a streamer pull up an excel sheet when leveling up. That's all I needed to know about this dogshit
not enough bear sex for ya?
goyslop vs goyslop
oh no no no
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Soul....
I don't remember a single track from WOTR. CRPGs in general have such generic and mediocre OSTs, what a pointless discussion to be had.
imagine
WotR with BG3 production values
Go to bed Josh
Stop being such a pathetic whining homosexual and make a good game for once
>Muh I want more roleplaying and less complex combat
Warhammer fantasy roleplay exists and it's much better than 5e in everything.
Does anyone know if you can rest without penalty after freeing Nightsong, but before attacking the tower?
Yes it's fine.
Gracias.
Nope, you have shit taste.
>Vocals kick in
PFfffffhahahahah
Pathfinder has great tracks but TERRIBLE sound design, Mythic Power cutting off when you go back inside the citadel is one of the dumbest music choices in the medium
Correct.
only my gigachad liches know
and ToB's ost >>> Pathfinder's
Honestly though, CRPGs tend to suffer from shitty composers quite a bit compared to JRPGs. Zur and Soule are virtually the only ones with even a bit of skill.
like what kind of composer makes this and thinks "yeah that's a good battle theme"
hey poe had some good tracks too
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not really. that not really impressive at all.
Haven't listened to Pathfinder music but I'm willing to believe it. BG3 has some great tracks but most of it is pretty standard fare.
>Pathfinder's OST blows Baldur's Gate's out of the fricking water
lol no
Never would I have expected to hear a disney song in my bear sex simulator game.
Yeah, and it's brilliant.
>CRPG music standards are so low people will actually pretend this sounds good.
There's no pretending involved.
>There's no pretending involved.
My immediate reaction to the Raphael song was that it sounded awful. The talk-singing shit is just embarrassing.
>My immediate reaction
Seems like a (you) problem. Acquire some taste first.
Good thing I've been posting other examples.
LIVES
OH MORTAL LIVES
>he can't enjoy a grade A narcissistic devil singing the lyrics to his own boss battle music
what's it like to be this joyless?
>the subject matter of the music somehow makes the music itself good.
What's it like to be this dumb?
you're opposed to the concept of talk-singing, even when it's the single most appropriate choice
it sounds like shit. It's not appropriate at all. If you want the VA to sing about something then compose a good vocal song and hire a VA that can actually sing.
your opinion is pure garbage, just kys
even if it didn't have the talk-singing it still wouldn't be a good piece.
JRPG weebgay? Or boomer shooter metalgay? Either way, shitting on an organ music is a sure sign of low IQ and being uncultured.
>if a song has an organ in it that makes it good
you can't be this moronic.
That guy's moronic, but BG3 is full of good music.
An organ is always pleasant to listen to. Provided you have triple digit IQ and sensible taste. You clearly lack both.
I'm not even the guy saying the song is bad, but you're moronic if your only metric of a song's quality is "it contains an instrument I like to listen to". That just makes you sound like some kind of moronic sheep with no critical thinking skills.
>only metric of a song's quality is "it contains an instrument I like to listen to"
Never said that, morono. It's your baseless conjecture. You people seem utterly illiterate in addition to having zero taste. All I've said is that a cultured individual won't be shitting on a track containing organ music because organ done right is pretty rare and so every chance to listen to it should be savored. That's all.
>Never said that, morono
Yes you did, dumbfrick. I guess you're just too stupid to even have realize what you posted. That doesn't surprise me at this point.
>Yes you did,
>An organ is always pleasant to listen to. Provided you have triple digit IQ and sensible taste
This equals to
>only metric of a song's quality is "it contains an instrument I like to listen to"
To you morons? Embarrassing. Yeah I won't be wasting any more time arguing with actual mongoloids. Take care.
This is getting pathetic, bro. Just accept the loss and move on. You got exposed.
not that guy but
>Never said that, morono. It's your baseless conjecture.
>An organ is always pleasant to listen to. Provided you have triple digit IQ and sensible taste
>An organ is always pleasant to listen to. Provided you have triple digit IQ and sensible taste.
true dat
You think a track with an organ in it has to be good? This is your metric of quality?
WotRs is super generic and forgettable IMO
All the best BG3 tracks are right at the start
>Down by the River
>Twisted Force
>Harpy song
>All the best BG3 tracks are right at the start
Raphael's Final Act isn't until Act 3, though.
BG3's encounter design is absolute dogshit and this stands out severely in act's 2 and 3. Especially act 3.
I don't care, having shit encounters is better than whatever she frick Owlcat does
They just spam enemies for your buffed characters to kill, there is no "design" with very few exceptions
For me? It's The Power
Why can't owlc**ts just take the L with dignity? Why they insist on embarrassing themselves at every opportunity? Is this some sort of humiliation ritual?
Both are boring nu-crpgs
YABO GABI YAGO YABI GABI GABO GA BO GI GA BOOOOOO
YABO YABI BABI YABOGABO GABI GA BI GO BA GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
I love that track so much
Are you having a seizure?
>difficult Larian encounter
Lets put a bunch of cliffs around that enemies can shove you in
>difficult Owlcat encounter
Lets give the enemy 70 natural armor
which do you prefer?
Shoving people off cliffs is much more fun than number autism. And it's not like anyone forces you to shove them. But in PF you're only option is to stack le numbers and that's it. Boring as hell.
70 natural armor at least necessitates me understand the mechanics well to bypass or stack enough bonuses to hit them.
>necessitates me understand the mechanics well
>ooga booga
>big number gud
>stack number
>me know mekhanic well
>t. couldn't stack his numbers high enough
stick to your cliffs
Definitely the Larian encounter. It's much more fun for the difficulty to come from awareness of your surroundings and enemies' capabilities rather than number bloat and brute forcing a million buffs on your guys. It's also fun to turn the tables on the enemies by knocking THEM in the pit when they position themselves poorly.
Former is lazy, latter just seems annoying. I pick neither.
using the environment is more interesting
Monkey Paw and everyone who has played BG3 dies of cancer.
Pfff I'll just have my frogwife shell out 200 gold pieces to based Withers and I'll be back to inseminating gith eggs in no time.
I FEEL YOUR BREATH UPON MY NECK
I hate the down by the river motif.
duh
duh
duh
duh
DUH DUH DUH
it fricking sucks and the composer is too up his own ass to realize it.
but owlcat games are bargain bin trash based on the half hour I played of wotr, which is a legitimate opinion because RPGs that make a terrible first impression don't deserve to be played.
I liked it more when the Daisy stuff was still in the game
the track itself is fine
I read the duhs as
>look guise I hate popular and quality thing do I fit in yet
started my chaotic evil run in pathfinder wrath of the righteous. What am I in for?
This game is peak goyslop.
Which tells you all need to know about the current state of this board
Down by the River is actually so fricking bad. I have to mute my headphones whenever I make a new character.
BG3 is pathetic compared to the PF games, especially Wrath.
BG3 is the bimbo of cRPGs, the only thing it's good for is graphics and va, both of which are bottom of the barrel tier when it comes to what makes a cRPG good.
Hell, BG3 manages to have even less build options than NWN1 which came out literally 20 years ago.
The Pathfinder games actually pushed cRPGs forward where it mattered the most.
NWN1 is one of the most uninspired games ever made. You couldn't make a plot and characters less compelling if you tried. No wonder an owlshart autist would praise it
main campaign yes, but xpacs are much better
Deekin > every companion from both BG3 and WotR
>not wanting Mommy Aribeth to step on you
>Aribeth
Linu is better. And much more likely to step on you too. Though unintentionally.
I'm sorry, the other acceptable option was Sharwyn.
WOTR's waifus:
>cannibal psycho b***h
>feral furry fleabag
>charred autistic barely legal aryan qt
>repentant prostitute ready to settle down (still qt though)
>the top thot demon + a couple of her lackeys
>the b***h queen
BG's waifus:
>40 year old promiscuous disloyal prostitute
>cannibal goblino barbarian
>charcoal burn bulldyke
>homosexuals galore
>a bear
I rest my case
>forgetting Daeran
chad aids homosexual is way to based for the commander to sully him
how can anyone enjoy spending 5 mins pre buffing before every encounter or be forced to reload
play on normal then
By using the mod that makes it all instantly cast with one button
You might as well ask how people can stomach the turtle slow turns in BG, especially all the times the enemies take 10s to think before acting