>cryptids popularized by famous esoteric author and shady occult magazines that appear in the mysterious, Garden of Eden-like chasm in the middle of the region after a deceased insane professor and their AI double fetch them from ancient/futuristic timelines using the crystalized power of the millenary last survivor of a species of creatures capable of displacing things in the multiverse full of infinite possibilities
Now SV has ended, are you ready to accept this as the most based and interesting group/category/concept/family of pokémon Game Freak has ever done? And considering the parallel with the Ultra Beast makes them the second time they try something like this, what do you think they will pull off in future gens?
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So there's a world where everyone is a dinosaur and a world where everyone is a robot?
And a world where you have a girlfriend
Seraded!
no, that’s just a timecuck cope
pretty much, yes
No.
They're not all necessarily from the same world. Every Paradox mon could very well be from a different alternate reality.
I hate timetards so much it's unreal.
Are any of them based off of dinosaurs but the legendary beasts?
I hear people repeat this often, but I just feel like nobody knows what the frick a dinosaur is
There's mention of pterosaur in Flutter Mane's dex entries. Outside of this, I can't really see any of past paradox except for beast trio as based on dinosaurs. But knowing GF it's what they are, it's why most of them have fangs and long tails.
Sure I can give it that at least
>fotm shitmon that only compcucks care about and that will never be in another game again due to them only existing in paldea thanks to the "Time Machine"
yawn.
literally ultrabeast but soulless
>they are like UB but soulless because they are good in competitive and I don't like it, also because my headcanon tells me they will never return
lmao
All it takes is some new Ultra Wormhole frickery, Based Snacksworth making a comeback, Hoopa frickery, generic spacetime distortion frickery or even Terapagos frickery to bring the Paradox Pokemon into another game, mate.
Gamefreak always finds a way to bs some timespace distortions so that you can get mons that aren’t technically “canon” to the lore.
>Hoopa in ORAS
>wormholes in USUM
>dynamax cave portals in SWSH
>timespace distortions in PLA
And then the crystal raid dens in SV, being Terapagos’s power pulling mons across time as they disappear with the same mist as Lucius and the professor.
They’ve done Reshiram/Zekrom from a parallel world when they should have been sealed, Porygon in the past, parallel universe Mewtwo, and even naturally occurring Galar fossils somehow. I don’t think they care.
anyone that legitimately believes that a species will only be locked to one game for the rest of the series is straight-up delusional
they shoehorned UBs into the Gen 8 DLC, Alolan forms into every goddamned game besides BDSP, and even Mewtwo got dropped into Kalos with two Megas without so much as an explanation
Gamefreak will do whatever they want on a whim and trying to claim otherwise is a cope
I just want to know what drugs they used to make this history
>schizos convince themselves professor was obsessed with occulture
>claim there will be more volumes in the dlc
>never mentioned again
>mc is the one that guided them
>brainlets
The professor we meet in Kitakami isn't the professor of our timeline. Our professor kept the Scarlet/Violet book from their childhood and it eventually ended in Arven's hands after he never returned home for it, then it was placed in the machine and the AI took it with it.
The professor we meet goes back home and loses the book in exchange Briar's book.
Doesn't matter if that's the end of the loop, it's happened an undisclosed number of times before. The journal in the Underdepths confirms that.
Yes, but we can also read the underdepths journal mid-expedition, I.E. before meeting the alternate professor, and see that OUR professor had a very similar experience of being temporarily summoned to the Crystal Pool. Except they simply received Briar's book for free, which alongside meeting Koraidon/Miraidon ended up massively fueling their drive to create and complete the time machine, setting the story into motion.
Our version of the protagonist alters the cycle by getting the professor to trade for Briar's book, that's all we know of regarding a deviation since we never get a glimpse or insight onto what the alternate professor does with their actions or life afterwards.
Alternative timeline version of Florian =/= our Florian
We don't actually know if the book exchange alters the chain of events or not, but the schizos get extremely angry if you suggest that. They didn't believe it was a loop to begin with because they saved that information for the DLC, so asking them to identify other holes left open just makes them tizz out.
That's why I said "that's all we know since we never get a glimpse", but it feels like an important distinction to point out regardless since the professor's childhood book is an extremely important plot device, and nothing implies OUR professor traded books- Which is a given, because otherwise you have to wonder why the hell the professor gave up their most cherished possession and then for reasons beyond our comprehension produced a 1:1 copy with the exact same writing as the original.
Yep, I agree with you. With he new revelations in the DLC I wish they were more specific with where the AI actually went. Them leaving with the book is extremely important and maybe they'll circle back on it at some point. We also weren't given a conclusion on Heath's part of the cycle, so that may be post Indigo Disk as well. Honestly I think it'd be really cool if a remake or future generation revisits the plot and they expand on it. I think it'd be a neat thing to have as a reoccurring subplot.
It's a safe bet to assume Heath's own dreamlike experience was him meeting an alternate version of himself that was outright unrecognizable, and much like what we do with the professor, they ended up comparing notes, which is how he ended up with picrel.
But that's the best I have on "what the frick happened to him" with our current evidence, the rest hinges on if Horizons will tell us more about Terapagos in more fluent detail or not somewhere down the line so we can better understand how its abilities played a role in SV's story.
I've seen that suggestion before, but I really don't see the point in Heath meeting himself. The main plot point is gifting knowledge from the future to the past, and Heath giving the information to himself doesn't really further the narrative.
It has to be another Heath because the page he got had his handwriting, it couldn't have been Sada/Turo giving them their notes or something
If Heath wrote it at some point it would always exist in the future. It doesn't have to come from him. If someone ripped that page out of the paradox book and gave it to Heath, it'd still be in his handwriting.
So you suggest in another timeline Heath wrote it, then someone took the page and meet our Heath and gave him the page? That doesn't really change anything, it's the same with extra steps.
Well yes, everything at this point is essentially just speculation. You're as valid as I am, but from a narrative standpoint I don't agree with it. Hope that makes sense.
From a logic standpoint it doesn't make much sense to add that extra step, really.
It's another bootstrap scenario, a wiser Heath who knows more ends up meeting our Heath so he can later spread the knowledge to yet another Heath once the time comes, so on and so forth.
Occulture is what drove them insane and made them believe they were actually Pokémon from the past/future and not a parallel dimension.
They met the MC with Raidon which proved they were real.
... do we even know if the professors believed in occulture? After checking the secret post-game scene and meet the real professor I don't get the feeling of them believing Heath nor occulture at all, the way they talk about how the book made their imagination run wild makes me think they knew it was bullshit, that's why their invention was a machine that pulls similar pokemon from other timelines and not simply different points of their own timeline.
That would also explain how such a genius was so fixated on the paradox pokemon, they knew the ones in the books were false, now the challenge was bringing them to Paldea from a world where they are real. Their paradoxes were real, the ones in the book... "I'm sure it's all made up", like Arven said.
btw that one is easily the best title screen in a Pokemon game so far, it's pure soul
>... do we even know if the professors believed in occulture?
Yes because they believed the Pokemon mentioned in the book were from other time periods. It's as simple as that but morons ITT can't read.
Except occulture gives a pletora of different origins to the paradox pokemon, for example, it says Iron Moth is just a machine built in the present and says Iron Bundle is actually from an ancient civilization.
So no they didn't believe in occulture
>So no they didn't believe in occulture
Except they did, because it's the only source that claims they come from the past/future, and it does despite your coping.
The new dex entries reaffirm this with all of them, and with the exception of Walking Wake/Iron Boulder, come exclusively from the magazine and not the book at all.
>he thinks the professor believed paradox mon to be ancient/futuristic equivalents to normal paldean mons because occulture
But that's wrong, moron. WRONG. Now leave this thread and never show your face again before playing the fricking game, you disgusting subhuman.
>But that's wrong, moron. WRONG.
You're getting awfully mad at someone correcting your misinformation.
The professor wanted Pokemon from different times BEFORE the genetic analysis. So of course their tests after the fact turned out positive.
>proves himself wrong
Thanks for also proving the professor didn't believe in occulture's bullshit about Iron Treads being an alien weapon or Iron Bundle being an ancient robot
>Thanks for also proving the professor didn't believe in occulture's bullshit about Iron Treads being an alien weapon or Iron Bundle being an ancient robot
Except they clearly did because Turo says they are futuristic Pokemon.
>Except they clearly did because Turo says they are futuristic Pokemon.
Going against what occulture says
>Going against what occulture says
Nope. It's going against what Heath says. Occulture claims they are weapons and objects using futuristic technology, which lines up exactly with how Turo describes them. Vice versa for Sada and ancient/prehistoric Pokemon.
>which lines up exactly with how Turo describes them.
As futuristic pokemon.
Which occulture doesn't really use.
>As futuristic pokemon.
>Which Occulture exclusively states.
Fixed that for you.
Why do you guys suck off the idea of time travel so bad if you don't even take the source of your headcanon seriously?
Reminding me of religiongays that like to cherrypick parts of their specific sect and then claim all the others are still wrong even if it's the same god.
> if you don't even take the source of your headcanon seriously?
Anon, occulture was never taken seriously outside of the imagination theory where it was the crux of the theory.
Every other theory only used it to confirm that there were pages of the book other than the ones we can view in the academy.
Not to mention, if you actually read them you would have known that only 3 pokemon explicitly mention the past and future, Scream Tail, Iron Bundle and Iron Thorns.
Tail and Thorns start off with this
>Somewhere in a Paldean forest, it's said, lurks Scream Tail
>A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea.
In other words, despite saying that there are rumors about it coming from the distant past and future they "confirmed" a sighting in the modern day.
Bundle outright says it comes from an ancient civilization which of course contradicts what Turo says about them coming from the future.
In other words, they can't be inspired by occulture otherwise they wouldn't have made a time machine, they would have just fruitlessly scoured the region
>Anon, occulture was never taken seriously outside of the imagination theory where it was the crux of the theory.
It's the crux of time travel because that's where the idea they come from other time periods originates from lol
Imagination theory is the idea that they come from anywhere else, which explains why the ones Heath saw and we catch are different as well as why Pokemon that could never be in the past are somehow present according to Sada's belief.
>It's the crux of time travel because that's where the idea they come from other time periods originates from
I just explained to you why it isn't.
Why even reply if your argument has already addressed?
>you just take what Occulture says at face value like timegays do and make a time machine.
That's the exact opposite of reality and what I just said since the important information is that they're from the book and not made up by occulture.
>since the important information is that they're from the book
Then when do we get to catch the Iron Treads / Great Tusk from the book moron? You're really telling everyone with a straight face that these Pokemon are actually these entirely different ones from another source just because the name is derived from the same book?
>they can't be inspired by occulture otherwise they wouldn't have made a time machine, they would have just fruitlessly scoured the region
Or, you just take what Occulture says at face value like timegays do and make a time machine.
We already know imagination theory is on the mark because the time machine has yet to actually pull Pokemon from the past/future.
>Turo says they are futuristic Pokemon.
... and occulture says some are human weapons, other are alien drones, other are ancient robots... So yeah it's different
>but THIS one was said to be futuristic in occulture, that totally means we can ignore the rest that prove Turo does not believe the same as them!
No.
>... and occulture says some are human weapons, other are alien drones, other are ancient robots.
So yeah, it's the same. Those are all futuristic concepts which explains where Turo got it from.
>something from an ancient civilization is a futuristic concept
Off my board
Can you guys actually play the game?
There's ONE single instance of Occulture where they say a paradox comes from the future, another one saying a paradox comes from the past and every other instance has no mention of different time periods.
And no I'm not a timetard, what the frick are you schizos talking about
I guarantee it's just sharty shitposting at this point. I mean, they literally have an anti time travel pasta on their stupid wiki.
Shut the frick up timecuck, occulture being bullshit won't made your dead theory valid.
>all of the other entries that claim it
I literally posted ALL entries and none of them do it, only Tyranitar's paradox does. The others are a robot made by a scientist, a modified human, a fanfic Hydreigon-robot pregnancy, two aliens and an ancient robot, without any kind of indication of them being from the future.
>without any kind of indication of them being from the future.
Except the part where all of them are implied or explicitly said to be. Play the game.
No idea if you just brag into conversations without knowing what they are about or you just forgot but the topic was Occulture. Occulture by itself says Tyranitar's paradox is from the future, every other entry of the magazine refers to present or past events.
>every other entry of the magazine refers to present
Nope. They're implied to be futuristic objects/weapons based on similar descriptions for the book. Read them, it's not just Tyranitar.
We already read them
Thorns is from the future, Bundle is from the past, the rest just exist.
>the book
I'm not talking about the book, I don't care about the book, the book is also bullshit so what does that change?
>I don't care about the book
So time travel tards don't care about the central point of the plot? Lines up with what's been said ITT.
The names are from the book. Their likeness is from Occulture. We haven't seen a single Paradoxmon in the Scarlet/Violet book yet, only vaguely similar creatures that aren't said to be from different times at all.
Somehow you don't think that's a pivotal thing to talk about? Great bait dude.
>So time travel tards
Stopped reading here. I don't know why you think anyone exposing the bullshit in occulture is a timetraveltroony but I don't care. If you want to discuss someone about timetravel I simply can't help you because I'm also against that dead theory.
>There's ONE single instance of Occulture where they say a paradox comes from the future
So we're just going to ignore all of the other entries that claim it? Cool.
Okay so you have two entries saying it's a rumor that they come from the past and future vs every entry, including the ones with the past/future rumor, saying they're found in the present day.
>that totally means we can ignore the rest
I agree anon, it would be a lot simpler if timegays would stop ignoring the rest when Occulture literally says these frickers come from other time periods.
>when Occulture literally says these frickers come from other time periods.
For 3 entries.
Two of which are rumors and speculation rather than being facts.
>Two of which are rumors and speculation rather than being facts.
Exactly, just like the paradox Pokemon being from other times. They aren't.
>actual headcanon posts
>simultaneously accusing others of forcing headcanon when they’re just sourcing game dialogue
This should have been the final strike agasint schizo imaginationgays last year already but somehow the board just ignores instances like these. morons. morons everywhere.
>This should have been the final strike agasint schizo imaginationgays last year already but somehow the board just ignores instances like these. morons. morons everywhere.
You seem to have confused timegays and imaginationgays. Nowhere in the game does it imply they come from other time periods but Occulture, which as we've already established is full of bullshit.
It comes from the professor's mouth. If you weren't a poorgay and played the DLC you would know that.
Sure Occulture is bullshit, but that doesn’t mean one of their wild guesses about being from another time period (easy to guess based on appearance) turned out true when a renowned professor proved it. Nothing in the game discredits this.
>Nowhere in the game does it imply they come from other time periods but Occulture,
You've never read the occulture books, have you.
so what part of the DLC was it that the professor used the time machine to send paradoxes back into the past for heath to see to make a “bootstrap paradox?” oh was that headcanon too?
>Two of which are rumors and speculation rather than being facts.
Not that anon but nothing in Occulture is fact. If you mean language-wise they still explicitly claim the frickers are from the future or past.
>Many of its physical characteristics match those of a Virizion from the future that was covered in a paranormal magazine.
>anon seething so hard making this image they pasted the same snippet twice
Fricking lol. So you do understand that the professor got the relation to ancient/futuristic Pokemon from Occulture then, right?
Hate to break it to you but if they were mentioned in occulture that means they were in the book as well. Occulture isn't 100% made up, the names and descriptions were all borrowed from the book.
wrong. read every single paradox dex entry and most of them will explicitly refer to an old book or expedition journal at one point. except gouging fire, raging bolt, iron crown, and iron leaves. they don’t come from the book, you don’t have evidence that it comes from heath’s journal, you’re making an assumption with an unconfirmed headcanon
>oh walking wake is named after a creature named in heath’s book therefore gouging fire must be in heath’s bo- fanfic headcanon
>wrong. read every single paradox dex entry and most of them will explicitly refer to an old book or expedition journal at one point.
And the opposite version dex entries refer to occulture and occulture mentions how the names and descriptions comes from the book.
>they don’t come from the book, you don’t have evidence that it comes from heath’s journal
Except for literally every occulture entry about the paradoxes that mention they take it from the book.
Your headcanon doesn't work anon.
>Except for literally every occulture entry about the paradoxes that mention they take it from the book.
>oh walking wake is named after a creature named in heath’s book therefore gouging fire must be in heath’s bo- fanfic headcanon
reply to this post post in-game proof that gouging fire comes from heath’s book. no unconfirmed headcanons. otherwise I can say bloodmoon ursaluna is also a paradox pokemon from heath’s book even if the dex entry doesn’t say so
>Except for literally every occulture entry about the paradoxes that mention they take it from the book.
Nope. The names are taken from the book (in every case except the new DLC ones). The things described and shown in Heath's book are markedly different.
So is Terapagos.
>The things described and shown in Heath's book are markedly different.
>Its primitive appearance and savage nature have prompted rumors that it could be a Jigglypuff from one billion years ago. It's named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.
Who told you that?
>It's named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.
There you go. Occulture took one or two things about the stuff in Heath's book and rebranded them into what we actually catch.
The new paradoxes outright state that the only similarity between them and Heath's record is the name. Instead, their physical appearance is much closer to their depiction in the magazine.
Play the game.
You do understand some occulture entries contradict the professors' ideas of ancient/future pokemon right? It can't be their source
occulture could have been a source of inspiration for the professor but they ran with their own personal whole past/future headcanon. turo is a guy named after “future” (futu japanese name), dresses up like some guy out of sci-fi, probably watched too many sci-fi flicks, sees a robo-delibird and immediately jumps to “future” because robots == future, ignoring how the magazine said it came from an ancient civilization
So we agree the professor does not believe in occulture.
they read occulture, took ideas from the magazines and believed in the parts they like and ignored the parts they didn’t like
>taking the things they like, discarding the things they don't
Sorry anon but you are confusing your behaviour with the professor's. Occulture does not align with the professor's believes, so they didn't believe in occulture, it's that simple.
>Occulture does not align with the professor's believes
Yeah, it doesn't align with their beliefs. Except the part where they come from the past/future and are made up of dinosaur or robot parts unlike Heath's record.
Or the descriptions of the mons themselves. Or the names in Raging Bolt, Gouging Fire, Iron Leaves, and Iron Crown's cases.
There's just nothing to imply Occulture has any relevance. The dex doesn't matter, the professor's lab doesn't matter. It's time travel.
Okay I was replying to each point until I read the last line and scrapped everything
>There's just nothing to imply Occulture has any relevance. The dex doesn't matter, the professor's lab doesn't matter. It's time travel.
I never said occulture has relevance, my point exactly is that it doesn't, because the professor doesn't believe in the magazine. And we know it's timeline kidnapping now you moron, you don't even know what you are arguing about.
Don't even (You) me again schizo
>And we know it's timeline kidnapping now you moron, you don't even know what you are arguing about.
There's no evidence to suggest this, is the problem. The best you can do to justify it is the professor saying the same thing about ancient/future Pokemon they did before.
You lack reading comprehension.
Pretty much. 'Timeline kidnapping" is pure headcanon extrapolated off of a single mistranslated line of dialogue in the dlc. meanwhile the AI says the exact same thing in the japanese ver and still consistently refers to the mons as from the ancient past/distant future.
>there's no evidence to suggest this other than the multiples times the professor said this is both base game and DLC
NTA but timelines aren't mentioned in the base game at all and in the dlc it's only in English, no other language mentions it.
You're confused, the english base game seems to be a mistranslation. You go go through the text yourself. It's uploaded to bulbapedia.
can go*
Anon, it literally doesn't exist in any other language other than the English DLC.
You're trying to say that not only the main game but the main game and dlc in every language as well as the original Japanese was mistranslated.
Think about how absurd that is.
I don't know why you're lying.
And Google translate is probably how they mistranslated it, just like you right now, because jikan-jiku isn't timeline.
Slipping in líneas is subtle change most won't notice. Unfortunately, I did.
>I-IT SAYS TIME AXIS
>MY OTHER TRANSLATOR SAYS SO
Anon, if you search for Jikan-jiku on any Japanese dictionary like site almost none will say timeline.
If you search for how to say timeline in Japanese actual nips will use タイムライン.
It doesn't say timeline.
Nip twitter has been discussing the paradox pokemon being called from different timelines for over a year, this was already discussed on here over a week ago.
>Nip twitter has been discussing the paradox pokemon being called from different timelines for over a year
Which they haven't, which is why you only have one tweet to post over and over
Search ポケモン 時間軸 on twitter and scroll for the past year, samegay. I'll ask again: why are you lying?
If you sort by latest very few posts are actually talking about the idea that they're from other timelines. The only ones that show up consistently are the automated sada/turo fan accounts.
Why are you lying?
Scroll and search them back to November of 2022, you daft lazy c**t.
So before people played through and discussed the game?
Who told you that? After everyone played the game no one mentioned timelines again. Not even on nip twitter.
The only reason you would think that is if you're the anon you posts that one tweet where a nip didn't understand why a time machine wouldn't exist in a book made 200 years before it.
Anon you were caught lying it's time to run away like the b***h you are
I can even post the french translation too to BTFO you again
>Mon but est d’attraper des Pokémon provenantnde lignes temporelles différentes et de lesrnamener dans ma temporalité.[VAR 0114(000B)]
>"My goal is to catch Pokémon from different timelines and bring them into my own time.
English says timelines, spanish says timelines, french says timelines... Stop trying. You lost.
Don't worry guys, the timetraveltroony is lying, as usual.
>O tal vez nuestros destinos estén entrelazadosnde alguna manera.[VAR 0114(000B)]
>O tal vez nuestros destinos estén entrelazadosnde alguna manera.[VAR 0114(000E)]
>Actualmente estoy tratando de construir unndispositivo que, por ponerlo de algún modo,rnparece sacado de un sueño.[VAR 0114(000B)]
>Actualmente estoy tratando de construir unndispositivo que, por ponerlo de algún modo,rnparece sacado de un sueño.[VAR 0114(000E)]
>Permitirá capturar Pokémon de otras líneasntemporales y traerlos al presente, si todo varnsegún lo previsto.[VAR 0114(000B)]
>Permitirá capturar Pokémon de otras líneasntemporales y traerlos al presente, si todo varnsegún lo previsto.[VAR 0114(000E)]
>Todo basado en las ideas que este libro inculcónen mí cuando no era más que una criatura...[VAR 0114(000B)]
>Todo basado en las ideas que este libro inculcónen mí cuando no era más que una criatura...[VAR 0114(000E)]
>Con todo, durante el proceso han surgidonnumerosas complicaciones.cnHe perdido la noción del tiempo que llevo sinnpoder regresar a casa...[VAR 0114(000B)]
>Con todo, durante el proceso han surgidonnumerosas complicaciones.cnHe perdido la noción del tiempo que llevo sinnpoder regresar a casa...[VAR 0114(000E)]
See?
>Actualmente estoy tratando de construir un dispositivo que, por ponerlo de algún modo, parece sacado de un sueño. Permitirá capturar Pokémon de otras líneas temporales y traerlos al presente, si todo va según lo previsto. Todo basado en las ideas que este libro inculcónen mí cuando no era más que una criatura...
Which roughly translates to
>I'm currently trying to build a device that you could say it's taken straight from a dream, in a way. It will allow to capture Pokémon from other timelines and bring them to the present, if everything goes as planned. All based on the ideas this book planted in my mind when I was but a mere child.
Why are you running from
you LIAR b***h? We have proven you have no credibility whatsoever. You are wrong and you know it and nobody should even give you attention other than to laugh at you
Maybe you should actually look at those posts instead of assuming you weren't answered.
Then again reading was never the strong suit of imaginationgays.
I don't know what's funnier, your babbling about imagination out of nowhere, the lie about
being answered when the only reply is the one I just made, or the other lie about "líneas" being fake when it's EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY as you can see in the LITERAL first youtube result
Not only you are a liar rat, you are also extremely incompetent at it. Consider suicide.
The schizos in these threads are all the same strain of moron. They do nothing but deny until they can't be denied anymore, then they run away. They wait until a new thread to pop up and for some reason think the people that previously called them out wouldn't show back up to do it again. Then they feign ignorance like they're someone new making the same arguments.
They are, they just translated it differently from base game to DLC.
>inb4 and the correct one isn't timelines!
The differences between our professor and the one we meet in Kitakami prove different timelines play a role in the story.
>took ideas from the magazines and believed in the parts they like and ignored the parts they didn’t like
Which of course would mean that they were never actually inspired by occulture since the real paradoxes have none of the occulture exclusive lore/features
You mean that they were never really from the book because the ones we see aren't in there.
Gonna be hilarious to see Heath directly deconfirm this in DLC2.
You dropped your Blacephalon license
like what features exactly? because last I checked iron treads in the scarlet book doesn’t match the iron treads we got so it must have been sourced from somewhere else
>because last I checked iron treads in the scarlet book doesn’t match the iron treads
That's the violet book and the picture is a one to one match with the real thing.
Anyway, things like Iron Hands being human or the nonexistent ancient writings with depictions of Bundle would be true if occulture were the inspiration you claimed it to be. In addition they wouldn't even need a time machine because just about every occulture book says they were found in the modern day, not the past and future.
>That's the violet book and the picture is a one to one match with the real thing.
no it isn’t. go take a look at what our iron treads looks like. you have a drawing that doesn’t match, and a photograph that is blurry and conveniently hides parts of its body
Anon, you have a sketch that's drawn from memory with the feet being the only feature that's different and a 1 to 1 picture showing almost every detail of Iron Treads. You'd have to be deluded to believe it's different.
>the artist just got every detail right except all of its leg- headcanon fanfic
>1 to 1 picture
show me an angle of our iron treads that looks like this. also I can show you great tusk in the scarlet book and its outer appendages are also clearly different in the photo. you’re the deluded one thinking it’s the same.
great tusk as a reference
>show me an angle of our iron treads that looks like this.
You mean a basic side on view?
Honestly, can you even identify any differences yourself? Because any time anyone ever actually says Treads has differences they always avoid actually pointing them out.
the fact the photograph shows a two-pointed horn or how it’s lower body is just a cone. does it looks like the robotic folding legs iron treads have? no it doesnt
>the fact the photograph shows a two-pointed horn or how it’s lower body is just a cone
What on earth are you even talking about? There is no two pointed horn and it's not a cone. Are you blind?
>does it looks like the robotic folding legs iron treads have
You can't even see the legs you moron. You're acting as if the absence of evidence means you're right.
dual pointed horn is circled in red, cone is circled in blue. I’d like to see what part of our iron treads looks like this
Are you an idiot?
Anon, that's not one horn, that's two horns on either side of its face and your "cone" is a blank space where's there's literally nothing.
My suggestion to you is to stop responding to them, no matter what you say they will continue this argument with you until you get angry.
it can’t be two horns otherwise it wouldn’t be obscuring its face. why is the rear horn blocking its face then? and it’s not a blank space either because you can see the line between the background and the part of whatever the cone is
>it can’t be two horns otherwise it wouldn’t be obscuring its face
It isn't.
then what’s with the dark part directly under its face when it’s supposed to match the metallic color of the rest of its body?
You mean the shadow?
so it’s nose is casting a shadow on its face that only makes the lower jaw part dark? doesn’t really look right, we already have proper shading on the rest of its body and the underside of its face is just a dark metal part.
You mean the same dark part shadowed exactly like the picture
uses, showing Iron Treads shiny upper part where he sun hits it, but the lower, darker half where the sun, you see, isn’t? Soit’s cast… in shadow…
>the fact the photograph shows a two-pointed horn
Oh my fricking God, you are actually moronic. Do you know what perspective and depth are?
>it's the only source that claims they come from the past/future
Anon, literally only three of them say anything about coming from the past and future and they still say that they can be found in the present. They wouldn't be inspired to make a time machine if they read occulture, they would just explore the land for them.
It’s worth noting that what the professor says and what the AI says in the Japanese script are identical regarding the origin of the paradoxes.
I'm hoping they comment on the plot of the game at some point, but realistically they'll probably give the same answer as the writer of Madoka.
I know, I'm not talking about the translation of different timelines but the mention of how the book triggered the professor's imagination. The same professor who tells us about how they will use the machine also tells us it at started with their vivid imagination after reading the Scarlet/Violet book, that's why I think the professor knew the mysterious pokemon encounters of the book were false.
Anon I'm not sure if this is the first pokemon plot you've paid attention to but dreams, wishes, desires, hopes, etc are all common language they've always used. If anything the repeated use of them in SV should point to lack of quality in script or translations. Treasuring something isn't a unique concept in Japanese culture either. It's essentially a zoomer script, it's really not that deep.
>it's really not that deep
That's exactly my logic, morono. They treat it as some mundane thing, they read a curious book during their childhood and this made them study a subject that would led to something similar to the cool things they read as a child, that's all.
The ending at the crystal pool gives us a perfect explanation for how Heath would have encountered the paradoxes in the first place. Imaginationgays argued for a year that Terapagos responds to desires, while timegays argued that it’s a bootstrap, but the crystal pool scene gives me enough cause to believe both. Terapagos temporarily sending the paradoxes from whereever/whenever so Heath could view them, in turn inspiring the professor.
The reason the paradoxes disappeared is because they weren’t captured. Terapagos can’t keep something or someone summoned indefinitely. The prof needed pokeballs along with their time machine to keep the paradoxes in their own era. You can see this in tera raid too- pokemon summoned via Terapagos’s power will disappear in a similar mist to the crystal pool professor if you don’t capture them. I think the professor knew they were real, but they were mostly focused on how to keep them here, hence the logic of their machine.
Colress does something similar in USUM, and implies that people and pokemon are intrinsically “tied” to the universe they emerge from- that their presence in alternate realities is inherently unstable. He ends up building a machine that sends Ghetsis and later all of rainbow rocket back to their world lines or origin.
Why the frick would Terapagos ever bring the paradoxes to Heath?
>headcanon about how limited Terapagos' power is when as far we know it could be permanent if he just wills it
>Why the frick would Terapagos ever bring the paradoxes to Heath?
For the same reason it brought the professor to the protagonist, or Heath to the mysterious visitor, obviously.
>as far we know it could be permanent if he just wills it
As far as we know, there isn’t a permanent instance of Terapagos’s power seen yet. Tera energy is unstable and we even hear the professor talking about this in both their notes and directly to the player. “As far as we know” is limited exclusively to the time machine, which can’t even function with organic matter.
>Heath to Heath
>protagonist and Koraidon/Miraidon to the professor
Those all have a connection and only needed one person displaced in time. Doesn't really help the idea Terapagos summoning a dozen of paradoxes for jiggles
>here isn’t a permanent instance of Terapagos’s power seen yet
... except the MASSIVE CRYSTALS eating Area Zero.
Also we literally know Terapagos’s power is limited lol. It needs the external input like the energy from a tera orb to even access its true form.
Stellar Terapagos is its true form that precedes Tera orbs, we know it because Heath encountered it 200 years ago. It's no longer like that PRECISELY because the professor used its shards to create the scarce Tera orbs, just like Necrozma no longer glows normally because the people of the Ultramegalopolis world crippled it and pieces of its body scattered across the universe as sparkling stones.
>area zero as a whole is covered with clouds too, just like the crystal pool
woah
>Terapagos temporarily sending the paradoxes from whereever/whenever so Heath could view them
Why didn't Heath see the paradoxes we see then?
>the professor uses the term imagination once
>this means that they thought the paradoxes were fake for some reason
so this is the power… of headcanon…
>reading comprehension
The genius scientists telling us they want to capture animals that only exist in parallel timelines and saying they got inspired by an occult book where some guy said to encounter creatures like that in a big crater does indeed hint they wanted to make it happen with their own prowess and scientific research that wasn't applied to the author of the book, yes.
mentioned again
To be fair, they are referenced in the paradox legend dex entries but all that means is that Heath and his team saw them.
the professor literally has copies of occulture in their lab
there will be more volumes in the dlc
Do you think there won't be?
All the Paradoxes have different origins. Some could genuinely be from the main timeline's past/future, some could be from parallel timelines where everything's unga bunga/robots, and some could very well be bullshit concoctions of the public consciousness given form via Tera Energy.
Koraidon/Miraidon is special because it plays a key role in the bootstrap paradox, that's why the time machine could only summon two of them: One to become your bike so it could later inspire the professor to continue working on their time machine, the other to kill them so that the professor AI, who knows more than they were letting on and recognized the nature of the cycle as soon as they saw (You) with Koraidon/Miraidon, can then smartly and competently steer the events of history in the direction they're supposed to go, ensuring you'd later meet up with the professor at Kitakami's Crystal Pool.
So I realized something the other day. Depending on your version the Paradox Pokemon are either supposed to be real or imaginary. Let me explain
In Pokémon Violet all the past Paradox Pokemon are Cryptids that insane weirdos believe in but no one else. But the future Paradox Pokemon are some kind of scientific fact. The opposite is also true of scarlett. I think this is dumb they're obviously all fake
All paradoxes are fake as the masses know them but real when it comes to the time machine, the only difference is the source.
In Scarlet, the future paradoxes were made up by occulture, but the past ones were made up by Heath who turned his book into a best seller that caught Sada's attention, this made her develop the time machine to bring those creatures to Paldea from a different timeline.
In Violet, the past paradoxes were made up by occulture, but the future ones were made up by Heath who turned his book into a best seller that caught Turo's attention, this made him develop the time machine to bring those creatures to Paldea from a different timeline.
They are always bullshit, what changes is which group becomes so popular it makes Arven's parent create a machine that catches them from a timeline where they are real.
i still like the UBs a bit more and i think imagination would have been more interesting narratively even if the time loop is what actually ended up happening
future paradoxes also kinda falter design wise since most don't change too much other than the mon becomes metal
I’m glad they’re just past/future mons and they didn’t go with the imagination route. Not because I dislike the idea or the imagination theory, but because I would have been disappointed if dream/tulpa mons all turned out to visually just be variants of existing pokemon.
I remember in prerelease SM there was a very brief theory floating around that Cosmog was creating the UBs from dreams/memories and that’s why some resembled existing characters. Basically the dream mist idea but on a legendary. I remember liking that one because the UBs at least looked very out there, and it was certainly shocking to see pokemon resembling characters from the game at first.
I still want to know what the original plans were for UBs. They handwave Nihilego with Lusamine’s obsession leading her to dress Lillie like it, but it doesn’t explain some of the other intentional similarities when you recall Nihilego is the only one Lusamine actually encountered.
>Pheromosa resembles Lusamine, right down to the mirrored pose
>Xurkitree has Guzma’s color scheme and hair
>Necrozma resembles Gladion’s outfit and even does his chuuni hand animation
Also James Turner intentionally playing coy when someone asked him why Guzzlord resembled Zygarde. The fact that they’re such an important facet of the world building in SM but they’re confined in the initial game to a repetitive Looker sidequest is bizarre. Shigeru “I hadn’t even made the trials until the final month” Ohmori’s tacit admission of the rushed development of the game doesn’t really help.
>morons are confusing paradoxes
infinite regress =/= bootstrap paradox
Terapagos doesn't fetch things from other realities, it makes dreams into reality. But it just so happens that dreams in Pokemon can link to other realities. So the paradoxes aren't traveling, it's more like they're being copied. Hence, the Indigo Disk.
If anything it perceives the dreams and then connect to other realities by itself.
Dimensional travel doesn't fit with the other stuff we see Terapagos do, and if he can just copy stuff out of memories and dreams then it's not necessary. Dreams connecting to other realities is something we already have from gen 5, it's just how dreams work in the Pokemon universe.
Anon if you are saying dreams are always intrinsically connected to other worlds in Pokemon and also that Terapagos is connected to dreams then by your own logic Terapagos is also connected to other worlds
Not quite. Terapagos and the crystals absorb and reflect what's in the mind. If someone has an Entralink dream of another world, Terapagos can generate what they saw into reality, not link to the other world and transport. It can also manifest things that weren't seen in other worlds, which we see with tera typing. That's just the Pokemon's inner thoughts manifesting.
I see the type powers of Terapagos as the result of slipping the types of pokemon in other worlds ie: Charizard is Water type in another timeline and Terapagos passes that typing into your Charizard when terastallizes
But then how does the personal thoughts of the Pokemon, which we know influences tera type because of the treasure eatery, play into that?
Nothing in the treasure eatery corelates to the personal thoughts of pokemon, they just eat food with tera crystals of one type and change teratypes.
>Now SV has ended, are you ready to accept this as the most based and interesting group/category/concept/family of pokémon Game Freak has ever done?
Yes
Terapagos is a dream Pokemon, but not only in the way that peoole have been theorising for the past months. Terapagos is the first dream Pokemon. Tge first Pokemon to be manifestated by Heath's imagination. Heath wanted so bad for his book to be a success, that, nit only did he create a team to go down the "oh so unreachable bottom of the Great Crater", like no one had done before him, but also make up shit that would trigger peoples interest. The only thing he found were the crystals (and normal Pokemon I assume). The idea for the drawing of Terapagos he put in his book, came from, literally, what Stellar Terapagos' dex entry states. People in the past imagined tha world to be like this. On top of a giant turtle-like Pokemon. So that's what Heath "saw" and drew. That's why he specifically claims in that page, that, not only was he alone when this happened, but it also was something, almost, non moving, not alive, hence why no one has ever seen it. This also solves the Paradox of Terapagos and the crystals themselves. Terapagos can't live without the crystals, but also, tha crystals cannot be without Terapagos. The crystals are what made Terapagos from themselves and Terapagos now has their powers because of that. And now they co-exist in a paradoxical symbiosis. And that's how, both it and the crystals, continued to bring hopes, dreams and wishes to life.
The crystals come from terapagos, not the other way around. Also you're still running into the problem of manifesting something that wasn't thought about, they didn't go in expecting anything specific, just to record what's there.
Are we sure about that though? Is it an actual fact that Terapagos created the crystals and not the crystals creating Terapagos? I might be missing something, but I feel that even that is up in the air. And, about the expedition, the team and the Academy most likely just wanted to see what there is down in the Crater, but Heath, being a writer as well, probably felt that this was his chance to create something massive and publice a book that would become a best seller and a household staple throughout Paldea, that he came up with stuff that would intrigue and fascinate people. Again, everything in the book, is either by him being alone, in a comatosed state, or random drawings and blurry photos. Nothing concrete, nothing factual.
You know the occult magazine stuff is only part of the game where they're not canon, right?
The past pokemon are occult rumors in violet because the past time machine doesn't exist and the only way to get them is to trade with another timeline (scarlet), and vise versa.
The DLC paradoxes are occult rumors in both versions.
Wrong, the pokedex lists occulture for the opposite version paradoxes, but you can read the occulture entries for your own version's paradoxes in the library and the professor's old lab. Occulture writes about all paradoxes in both versions, the difference is whether Heath wrote about some of them previously or not.
In Scarlet Heath wrote about ancient cryptids first and made Sada study ungabunga world, in Violet Heath wrote about futuristic cryptids first and made Turo study scifi world but both versions have people writing bullshit about old and new pokemon.
It was certainly an interesting twist that's for sure. The paradox Pokemon didn't seem to make much sense until we got a hold of Terapagos and understood what his species can do. Now I'm kind of in the same boat as the professors and want to know more about the worlds in where these paradox Pokemon comes.
I think it's notable and overlooked that in the journal we read in the underdepths the professor is speculating as to where they ended up, but when we meet them, we tell them exactly where they are. It indicates to me that there was no conversation between the child and the professor, which means a lot of valuable information and context wasn't given to our professor.
My headcanon is this is all just part of the cycle. The professor we meet now knows exactly what to find, how to find it and leads an expedition into the area zero underdepths that goes much better than the expedition in our timeline. He's not obsessed with paradoxes and the time machine but instead about terapagos, the Tera phenomenon and area zero itself. Everything is much more successful for the professor in this timeline and knowing that his success is only due to receiving knowledge from the protag, recruits that timelines equivalent of the protag to pass the white book onto the next timeline. Maybe he makes another time machine, maybe terapagos just does its magic turtle shit, doesn't really matter.
This time, the protag just meets the professor, hands off the book and fricks off back to their timeline. This professor didn't meet terapagos, didn't meet -raidon, probably didn't even exchange information with the protagonist at all, never got to thinking about if their son is lonely, and never found out where exactly they went. They just suddenly have this book with a ton of insane information in it that they have no context for and no idea why or how they endedup with it. It probably broke their brains even more and sent them completely off the deep end, and eventually in that universe the events of SV happen, and the cycle repeats.
Again, this is literally my headcanon.
I like your idea I'll make it my own headcanon too
Concept aside, the designs are just outright strong. UBs on the other hand are hideous, they should have been boss monsters instead of pokemon
I really like UBs and love precisely how different they look from normal pokemon, that was the idea after all. Paradoxes are still cooler but I don't think UBs failed in that regard either
I appreciate that you paired all of them with their other version counterpart
The REAL question here, fellas, is... What's Terapagos' cryptid name, "Indigo Disk", or "Hidden Treasure"?
It's worth to mention "Briar's book" item is literally called "The Hidden Treasure of Zero" in japanese, which is also the name of the DLC
Yes, she says the line when you first enter the Underdepths and read the professors journal.
This is the best timeline of events I was able to put together. I can probably expand on it and create a separate chart to represent the theories of hand off vs book exchange, but I may save that for a different day.
I found this video to be helpful for those that are confused about how time loops works, but at this point I'm not sure what the ratio is of discussion:trolling. IMO we're similar (if not identical) to Harry Potter's time loop. I think both options of single handoff vs book exchange are valid, but I lean more towards the latter as we never see any previous parts of the loop. They left the story very open ended and you have to make a lot of guess work and assumptions. If the book exchange happens in every timeline, I think wherever the AI winds up is pretty pivotal and I wish they weren't vague about exactly where on alternate timelines they searched. The story is full of half truths which makes it difficult.
The professor we meet in the pond can't be the one from our game, it's frmo a different timeline, you should depict that
The professor was only speculating on that, so we really don't know if that's even true. Like I said, I may make 2 different versions of it depicting a single timeline vs shifting to adjacent timelines over and over.
We do know. Our professor had the book, then it got passed to Arven, then to us, then to the machine, then to the AI.
The professor we meet lost the book so it's 100% a different person.
>inb4 another copy
The description of the book you get in the pond says the name is in clumsy handwriting just like the book you get in the base game, both books are the one the professor read and marked as a child, only difference is the timeline they belong to.
i choose to believe this because the alternative is that
>gamefreak forgot AI prof took the book and dipped
or
>AI prof is the one Heath saw in his vision
You're skipping steps anon and falling into the same trap imagination friends did after the base game. From the information we were given at the end of A Way Home, we were able to surmise some type of loop was occurring as Heath couldn't have written about the Paradox Pokemon if they were brought there in the present due to the time machine. People chose to believe this meant they were fake, when it was foreshadowing the events that would come later in Indigo Disk.
The professor we meet at the Crystal Pool is the one from 10 years ago, whether it be our own timeline or one from an adjacent one. That piece of information doesn't really matter. What matters is that we exchange books, and we have no other knowledge of that event playing out any differently. Even if THIS TIME the event played out differently, every single previous event lead to the loop occurring an undetermined amount of times.
We really have 3 different solutions at this point
>The book the AI left with makes its way back to the lab before SV
>The next timeline is changed, the loop is over
>a new book is forged to continue the loop, as the professor knows that -you- must stop the machine and you would be in possession of it
First of all, you are the one who just told me to skip steps with you because something "doesn't matter", second, it does matter and we DO have knowledge of that event playing out differently, our professor encountered a child just like the professor we meet, but since our professor had the book that means the equivalent event did play out different, this is factual. And third, if the event takes place differently at any time then there was no loop, ever. A loop does not break, does not stop, it continues endlessly. The fact the events our professor experienced are different from the ones the other professor just experienced with us prove there has never been any loop whatsoever, like
said you are confusing paradoxes.
The bootstrap paradox theory relied on event A taking place because event B, which took place because event A, and this loop continued forever repeating always the same events. We know now this is not the case, instead event A took place because event B, and event B took place because event C, which took place because event D and this continues infinitely with different events playing out every time.
It's so fricking obvious they literally made Terapagos' true form represent this. It's not up to debate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
Oh it's you again. I'm not reading any of that.
Imagine having the source of paradox pokemon being literally turtles stacked together like in a certain paradox and run away like a b***h because you have no way to defend the disproven loop of a different paradox
So you not only are schizoid enough to think everyone who disagrees with you is the same person, you also run away from arguments.
Welp, I thank you for being honest, I don't really want to waste time with someone like you.
https://arch.b4k.co/vp/thread/55123182/
You can read the thread from yesterday if you're new, I'm not having the same circular argument again.
>you are new if you didn't read this specific thread in christmas' eve, now allow me to escape the discussion in a way that satisfies me
I honestly have nothing else to say about this, I don't think we can surpass this level of daftness.
You want to have the same conversation about infinite regress' that was had yesterday. You're pissing and moaning because I don't want to engage with you and do it a second time. I'm not getting stuck in a loop.
Nta, but I find the fact is the third, bottom layer is not another Turtle, or anything turtle looking… it is the Hexagonal dome from Heath’s book image.
In fact the actual model looks like something ancient astronomers of the israeli/Christian faith would have held, on an ancient belief of how the world actually looked; according to the Stellar forms own dex entry, which states it is based on how people of ancient times believed the world looked. The idea of the Firmament holds more weight to me, then of a simple World Turtlem, or the ridiculous idea that the image of an ‘Infinite Regress’, is solely imagined as stacked turtles.
The fact is despite everyone hyper focusing on Time Travel or Dreams and Wishes, the overall theme of this game is Discovery, Exploration, and Treasure Hunting, with Astronomical names of literal Stars assigned to a ‘Team Star’, headed up by a Constellation-named Boss called Cassiopeia, whose individual teams are names off of the stars making it up…
There is as much credence for Stellar Form Terapagos to reflect the Chinese myth of the Fuzanglong, a Chinese dragon associated with extinct volcanoes and hidden treasures both natural and man made, that also served as a ‘Mount’ or ride like the turtle of Urashima Taro.
But people are gullible sheep following after the popular opinion.
The issue with discussion threads is that there's certain people that can't separate different information. They need to conflate as many things as possible to try to draw to whatever conclusion they want to make. No other game has this level of discourse or autism over what a legendary can or can't do, or what the inspiration is. It's just forcing their bullshit because they can't accept it's a cute turtle used for marketing that happens to do shit sometimes.
>It's just forcing their bullshit because they can't accept it's a cute turtle used for marketing that happens to do shit sometimes.
Oh no how dare people actually want a proper and clear-cut explanation of a mystery that had been built-up for like a year and not be satisfied with "it just works lol".
You can't have your cake and eat it too, you triple Black person. If you set-up expectations and fail to fulfill them then you deserve to be called a Black person for leading people on.
Zygarde is simple, Necrozma was simple, Eternatus was trash but was exceedingly easy to understand. There was no need for this clusterfrick at all to begin with if it is as you say and all they cared was shilling the cute turtle but they did it anyways and completely fumbled the bag.
>firmament
>walled garden of area zero
>miraidon/koraidon the guardian of paradise
>gnosticism
so DemiurgeCHADS win?
Aren't you guys just an offshoot of imaginationgays who thought that the alchemical rebis or whatever its called was actually a demiurge when it wasn't?
only had the terapagos drawing back then but didn’t know terapagos would turn into a firmament dome instead of the sphere. so seeing the actual thing means it’s more closely tied to gnosticism than it was before
Not really. This actually is more like Plato’s Demiurge, especially since Plato was a proponent of Crystalline Sphere’s holding the world and stars in place like nesting eggs or whatever.
There are alchemical references, Terapagos normal form could be the primary material philosopher’s stone is made from, with the Terastal form being the actual realized stone itself. I know somewhere there’s a Philosopher Stone that was made with demiurgic properties, but again, who knows for sure.
that doesn’t explain the biblical references unless you think the philosophers stone is connected to the garden of eden, paradise, and rakua
We’ll, Gnosticism borrowed a lot of neo-Platonic terms for themselves; which is why attributing Terastal israeliteels and idea of Terapagos acting as a Demiurge ‘shaping’ these after Plato’s Theory of Forms, wherein the Tera israeliteels are based on the theory that while there are many ideas of what represents each type in the Pokémon universe, Terapagos’ Tera israeliteels embody the true form of the concept that is universally recognized by people. Like Electric Tera israeliteel is a Lightbulb, even though Terapagos being an ancient turtle should have no idea what form a lightbulb takes..
And yet according to Plato’s Demiurge, it acts sort of like an Akashic Record, having knowledge of past/future events mapped out across time and space and giving it access to this knowledge it paradoxically, should not have, allowing it to embody the Form of electricity and electric types as a lightbulb.
additionally, firmament also translates into רקיע or rāqîa‘. is this rakua? and terapagos is placed on top of the dome where heaven is
Pokemon can be based on many things anon, the themes about exploration and discovery of Paldea (basically conquistadores kek) doesn't conflict with others like ideals and goals
I’m not talking about the Pokémon when I’m talking about the theming of the game? I’m not even saying they’re conflicting, I’m saying they’re being overshadowed or overlooked by people arguing one side or another, and not even giving some thought to the fact that the Treasure Hunt is about finding and achieving your goal, yes, but that the game overall shows us we have a larger theme the Legendary Pokémon can be based on, and they don’t have to hyper focus on it’s powers to see that it’s form is influenced more than we realize.
Like the Metal Plate in Area Zero, or the various symbols on the Game’s cover. Overall they’ve been theorized to be mathematical and scientific principles, but they can also be simple references too. The Plate, for instance seems to look like a Sextant, the two ‘0‘s reference a Sextant’s mirrors to look at the horizon and the Star to compare it. In this case the Terastal Star even utilized in the Stellar form, could be a reference to ancient polar stars. Vega, the previous Polar star, was even called the Zero Star, because at one point in ancient Astronomy, it was the star used to create the luminary scale of comparing brightness of stars, before modern astronomers changed the system because of better telescopes and new polar star.
>The book the AI left with makes its way back to the lab before SV
The AI wouldn't even have access to the book in first place because the professor would have traded it for Briar's book years before the events of the game. That book goes from the professor to the protagonist and will never magically appear back in the professor's home to be picked up by Arven and trigger SV Path of Legends.
>The next timeline is changed, the loop is over
So by definition there never was a loop
>a new book is forged to continue the loop, as the professor knows that -you- must stop the machine and you would be in possession of it
Yeah and the adult professor had the same clumsy handwriting as when it was a literal kid eh? This is literally the same as when you morons thought the DLC would have us (or Briar) using the time machine to send paradoxes to the past. If your idea relies on the existence of a heavy plot point that is never in the game then you are just full of shit
>The AI wouldn't even have access to the book in first place
They enter the machine with the book, or did you not play the game?
>So by definition there never was a loop
You can leave a loop, dozens of media involving causal loops are based on solving them in order to be freed from them.
>Yeah and the adult professor had the same clumsy handwriting as when it was a literal kid eh?
Genius that creates a time machine, the most sophisticated AI in existence, and can detect when they're sent to a different timeline can't write their name with their non dominant hand or sloppy.
You've successfully invented reasons why there could be no possible solutions to the plot created. You should write to Gamefreak and let them know it's an imagination turtle.
>They enter the machine with the book, or did you not play the game?
That's exactly why you are wrong, did you not read the post? The AI enters the machine with the book, because it has the book, because the book is still in that world, because the professor never lost it, they simply left it in their home and Arven got it.
The professor we meet in Kitakami lost the book and nobody will ever obtain it again, only the MC
>you can leave a loop, tv said so
>the professor purposely wrote his name like a child would for no real reason
>like a child
Who says they even wrote that as a child? All it says is clumsy handwriting. That could easily be them writing it in Area Zero and frantically getting back to their work. Einstein famously had some pretty shitty handwriting.
Yeah and the professor is famous for shitty handwriting too, that's all all the notes have zero mention of this and the only mention of clumsy handwriting is when it comes to the book they possessed since their childhood days, you are totally not coping kek
>Who says they even wrote that as a child?
Does someone in this thread ACTUALLY read the dialogues? i feel like i'm surrounded by idiots
Having it since childhood =/= writing something on it during childhood
You can’t read a simple post yet claim others can’t read. Fricking have a nice day, schizo.
nta but if the book has enraptured them since they were a kid why would they wait until adulthood to write their names exactly?
Idk anon but I wouldn’t write my last name as a kid. Maybe because they have the original to a kid in Kitakami and used another as their reference/machine key, all while it has another description. It’s perfectly logical.
>I wouldn’t write my last name
Who said the professors wrote their last names..? The item only says the name "Sada" or "Turo" is written on the book, nothing else
>It’s perfectly logical
This is a shitpost. I refuse to believe someone can be this insane
>Having it since childhood
Yup that explain the clumsy writing
>You can’t read a simple post yet claim others can’t read
Oh the absolute irony seeing that coming from you.. out of all people here...
>i feel like i'm surrounded by idiots
Welcome on /vp/
I genuinely can't tell if you're moronic or not.
The professor we meet is informed by the player where they are. The professors journal in the underdepths speculates where he was transported to based on smell and humidity. Its two different professors.
Don't be stupid anon, it's a loop where events never repeat (somehow)
Yet even more proof. It's a timeline being influenced by a timeline that was also influenced by another timeline, they stack in a chain of causality and the origin can't be traced on because it continues to infinity
The story being a clusterfrick doesn't make it good.
The actual designs and lore suck, past and future Pokémon are carried by broken typings, broken stat distribution, and broken movepools. The concept turning preexisting Pokémon in to either robots or caveman is so unbelievably stupid.
Second time I see a moron who thinks people only cares about paradox pokemon because competitive, when in fact the average fan gives ZERO FRICKS about that stuff and only focus on whether a pokemon is cool or not.
I legit can't believe you are so stupid you can't comprehend people liking stuff you don't.
>remember big pokemon? lets do that again and again but bigger
>remember z-move? we have that too
>remember rotomdex? I hope you do because that's all we have
>remember regional forms? you're going to hate our new batch
>remember Hau? here is the discount version
>remember UBs? everything is UB now
Everything after SM has just been taking ideas from it. I really wish they would do something original for once.
Nah, super modes were introduced in XY, Alola's one time nukes aren't like Dynamax or Tera, rotom Dex is thankfully contained to Alola too because the Rotom phone isnt' an annoying piece of crap and the one Hau clone died.
Iron hands is my least favorite future paradox pokemon because I gotta craft tms to give it a good moveset. It's totally shit with only electric and fighting moves. TM's should have been infinite teaching. This is a red flag that TM's will be locked behind loot boxes and microtransactions in later pokemon games.
>thing but robot
>thing but spikes and skin teeth
paradox mons were a mistake
If you don't nickname your Paradox 'mons after various cryptids/UFO sightings, then what are you doing?
i want to see the futuristic dimension where all future paradoxmon come from and live there...
They're actually less interesting for simply being time travel. Plus all the future ones are lazy shit
The autists have returned and become comfortable enough to talk about Donphan's legs again.
then here’s something undeniable for you. the fins of great tusk are shallow at start at the front of its nose and goes to the back. great tusk in the scarlet book has no fins on the front of its nose and only starts at its mid-section and goes to the back. and the fins look more like elongated noodles anyways
So basically you're saying it doesn't look the same because of motion blur.
Do you also think your hand is an ff7 wad of flesh when you wave it in front of your face?
>he thinks its motion blur
even the drawing corroborates the fact great tusk in the scarlet book has elongated noodle fins that only start at the midsection and the front nose is naked. quit making excuses
>even the drawing corroborates the fact great tusk in the scarlet book has elongated noodle fins
No, it doesn't because the drawing depicts them more as tendrils.
>REEEEEEE THE PICTURES
the tendrils still don’t match the fins great tusk has though. and no amount of the motion blur excuse can excuse the fact that in the scarlet book the entirety of the front of its nose has no fins. both in the drawing and in the photograph and the long tendrils only begin at the midsection of the body.
is this thread about the sketches now? alright here's my only question:
if it's drawn from memory then how the frick did any of them missed a core design element like iron treads' tiny legs tucking inside the body? its such a core aspect of the design nobody would forget that easily
Begone, donphangay
>Tiny legs are still tiny so donphan can roll
>Meanwhile iron treads legs in the sketch are still moronly massive
>Can't see legs when it attacks them
>fills in blanks for pokemon that looks like donphan
Holy shit that was difficult.
>Make up a moronic fakemon
>Make up a moronic anatomy that doesn't match with the mon attacking style
Why heath is like this?
>>Can't see legs when it attacks them
if they were really attacked by the paradox they would have seen a giant ball of steel not a donphan with dialga legs lol
Nice try heath
so wouldn’t they have just drawn iron treads attacking them in rolling ball form instead of making up fake legs?
>how the frick did any of them missed a core design element like iron treads' tiny legs tucking inside the body?
Because heath is a bullshitter in case you didn't noticed his partner mon is a cyclizar
The whole Indigo Disk "plot" feels like they were actually going with the "dreams come to life" plot twist from the begining of the base game, and then, they saw that people figured it out in like a month, and they made a new script in like 30 minutes, with whatever shit they could come up on the spot, and remade the dialogues of the ID, so that they would "surprise people", as they like to state, and not give anyone the satisfaction of figuring it out or finding the plot twist predictable.
>The whole Indigo Disk "plot" feels like they were actually going with the "dreams come to life" plot twist from the begining of the base game, and then, they saw that people figured it out in like a month, and they made a new script in like 30 minutes
I don't see it considering that ID still leans heavily into it and only further debunks the time travel headcanon.
Don't act like we aren't getting another update either. It's not over until Heath speaks, it either really was cut or they're just saving it for later.
No other explanation for even MORE wienerteasing in the DLC or all the unused shit like the facility room.
based hopeCHAD
more DLC announced at pokemon day trust the plan
I REALLY hope we get another DLC that ACTUALLY clears things up, because, until now everything is theories, even in the fricking game. Seems like no one is actually sure what the frick is happening and what they are doing. And Heath not appearing is a big point for more to come in my opinion.
Also, this
was a random thought I had last night, that, for some reason, hit me like a truck, and that I could actually see happen in a later update
Mochi Madness is literally called the Epilogue
Only way we are getting more DLC is if translators fricked up again
Anyone expecting more DLC is moronic BUT the name means jackshit. The first and only DLC is called The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero. Mochi Madness is refered to as the epilogue of The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero.
The first DLC having an epilogue doesn't conflict with the idea of a second DLC.
It's called 番外編 in Japanese, which is literally "extra chapter" (but can mean whatever along the lines of "side story" or "spin-off"). So "epilogue" isn't really accurate, but then again they have made worse errors.
Oh no, I can't believe they translated the extra chapter that takes place at the end of the story that wraps up the final plot point was translated as epilogue. I sure hope someone gets fires for that blunder.
This also ignores that the fact translators have contact with the original writers and are in fact capable of asking them "is it cool we call it the epilogue".
Qrd?
why are pokemon girls so sex
Because they're minors?
People made up their minds on the headcanon that Paradox Pokemon come from the past/future (despite removing any paradoxical elements from the equation)
The game directly refutes this so now the cope is that it's still time travel because they come from other times from other dimensions (something that is never said)
Meanwhile the dex is outright saying that the new paradoxes aren't in the book at all and the ones that "are" only share their names from similar monsters/objects in Heath's book.
>Meanwhile the dex is outright saying that the new paradoxes aren't in the book
It's says the opposite. The paradox legend dex entries mention both the book and occulture and if it mentioned occulture it's referring to the book as well since every paradox occulture article is inspired by the book.
>The paradox legend dex entries mention both the book and occulture
Nope. They are exclusively from Occulture. The new ones mention the magazine in the opposite version and the sensationalized story from it in the matching one.
The only exception is the first "ancient" paradox (Walking Wake) which is said to borrow the name from an unrelated sea monster and the last "future" paradox (Iron Boulder) which is the same with another object.
>The new ones mention the magazine in the opposite version and the sensationalized story from it in the matching one.
Anon, mentioning occulture is saying that they were in the book.
Every occulture entry has this
>Apparently, it's called Great Tusk after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Scarlet Book.
>It's named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.
>It's named after a fierce mushroom creature of matching description that appears in the renowned Scarlet Book.
>Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book
>Slither Wing, a being whose name is taken from that of a similar-seeming creature described in the ever-puzzling Scarlet Book.
>It takes its name from a beast with a matching description in the era-defining Scarlet Book.
>This elusive creature is called Roaring Moon after a similarly described being in the Scarlet Book.
>Apparently, it's called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.
>The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle
>This being's name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book.
>It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.
>The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book
>Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book.
>This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
Every single one was mentioned in the book according to occulture, it's the only fact in those articles.
Even Wake and Boulder's dex entries mention how they were in the book AND occulture.
You need to stop taking the game at face value and read between the lines.
what they’re getting at is that since the dex entry for flaming gouge, raging bolt, iron crown, and iron leaves only talks about being in a paranormal magazine but it doesn’t say anything about an old book or expedition journal means that occulture made up their own OCs for January and February before they started sourcing Heath’s book for inspiration.
>dex entry doesnt say flaming gouge comes from the book
>occulture missing january edition probably about flaming gouge
>since its written in occulture but the dex entry doesnt say its from heath’s book means flaming gouge is completely made up
>hence imagination
>Even Wake and Boulder's dex entries mention how they were in the book AND occulture.
The opposite. It mentions how the name originates from a similar thing in the book (like every other paradox) but the actual creature itself resembles visuals from Occulture.
Read the shit you just posted bro
>but the actual creature itself resembles visuals from Occulture.
Which as you can see here
All originate from the book.
Occulture only made origin stories, none of which were real, physical descriptions and names all came from the book.
>Which as you can see here
Anon, mentioning occulture is saying that they were in the book.
Every occulture entry has this
>Apparently, it's called Great Tusk after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Scarlet Book.
>It's named after a creature in the Scarlet Book that is described as having a distinctive tail and scream.
>It's named after a fierce mushroom creature of matching description that appears in the renowned Scarlet Book.
>Flutter Mane—a name taken from a strange creature with a matching description appearing in the Scarlet Book
>Slither Wing, a being whose name is taken from that of a similar-seeming creature described in the ever-puzzling Scarlet Book.
>It takes its name from a beast with a matching description in the era-defining Scarlet Book.
>This elusive creature is called Roaring Moon after a similarly described being in the Scarlet Book.
>Apparently, it's called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.
>The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle
>This being's name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book.
>It takes its name from a similarly described entity in the Violet Book.
>The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book
>Its name comes from a similarly described entity that appears in the Violet Book.
>This oddity's name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
Every single one was mentioned in the book according to occulture, it's the only fact in those articles.
Even Wake and Boulder's dex entries mention how they were in the book AND occulture.
You need to stop taking the game at face value and read between the lines. [headcanon]
Nope. The ones originating from the book aren't encounterable.
Did you really just call the game headcanon just because it proves you wrong?
>Did you really just call the game headcanon just because it proves you wrong?
Did you?
Anon, you timegays are the ones trying to say the game is wrong when it tells you the Paradox Pokemon aren't actually from the book. Look at the dex entries you posted and then read what you said after again.
Anon I don’t know if you know this, but timegays’ whole crux is that they WEREN’T manifested from any book.
>but timegays’ whole crux is that they WEREN’T manifested from any book.
So in other words, headcanon. We already know they aren't from other time periods unless you seriously believe Occulture.
I don’t believe occulture anon. I believe what the rest of the game is telling me.
>I believe what the rest of the game is telling me.
Fellow imaginationchad
The rest of the game is calling them ancient and future Pokemon. All the marketing too. Frick off, schizo.
>unless you seriously believe Occulture.
If you believe occulture then you wouldn't believe time travel since the idea that they're found in present day Paldea, which occulture says in just about every entry, would mean that they wouldn't need a time machine.
Believing occulture only works with the imagination theory where the professor's belief in it would have manifested them.
>If you believe occulture then you wouldn't believe time travel since the idea that they're found in present day Paldea, which occulture says in just about every entry, would mean
That they should make a time machine to retrieve them, since they suggest they are from the past/future.
>Believing occulture only works with
time travel, because imagination theory posits that any other origin better explains their existence.
>That they should make a time machine to retrieve them, since they suggest they are from the past/future.
Which would mean that they never listened to occulture.
>because imagination theory posits that any other origin better explains their existence.
Which just shows that it was never going to be imagination. You don't follow the game or any kind of logic, you just dislike time travel despite being the only reasonable explanation based on what we know.
>when it tells you the Paradox Pokemon aren't actually from the book.
Which it doesn't. Everything says that Heath encountered the paradox pokemon and documented them.
>Look at the dex entries you posted and then read what you said after again.
They aren't dex entries, it's from occulture itself.
Occulture, the thing you're saying proves they don't come from the book, is saying that they come from the book.
You're getting to the point where you're just screeching into the void.
iron hands in scarlet is mentioned in a paranormal magazine. occulture in scarlet only talks about ancient paradoxes because they were inspired by heath’s book. so if is scarlet occulture that writes about iron hands, how could have they known about it if it isn’t written in the scarlet book? which means iron hands is instead just a random paranormal magazine that is not occulture and is something entirely made up, unless you think people can predict the future if it’s time travel theory
Terapagos created the gimmick but the crystals who devoured the inside of area zero were always there terapagos just happened to fall inside and feed on these crystals
Yep, people think Terapagos = Eternatus, but it's not. Galar Particles come from Eternatus, which causes Dynamax to occur. Terastal comes from Terapagos, which comes from Terapagos absorbing tera energy from the crystals and converting it.
>MY INFINITE REGRESS ARGUMENT FAILED I MUST GO BACK TO OCCULTURE
>LEGS LEGS LEGS LEGS LEGS
The rest of the game is calling Ogerpon evil.. All the marketing too. Frick off, schizo.
There is no "ancient timeline" and "futuristic timeline." It's the past and future of those timelines. You're twisting yourself in knots to avoid the idea of time travel
>You're twisting yourself in knots to avoid the idea of time travel
It's also just weird to go against what the game says, which is that these Pokemon literally do not exist.
The game never says that. Rather, it says they are ancient/future Pokemon.
>Another excuse for GF to recycle pokemon designs since they can't fill out a whole dex anymore without doing so
Can't wait for the next reskin gimmick they implement
>A fricking alternate Cyclizar is the cover pokemon
I feel robbed, this is the same as lets go pikachu and eevee.
Who are supposed to be the legendary pokemons of this generation then?
The legendary pokemon are Koraidon and Miraidon, moron, whatever you think it makes a pokemon qualified to be a legendary doesn't have to be the same GF thinks.
They are paradox pokemon from a non legendary pokemon, moron.
By that logic iron bundle is also a legendary pokemon, except it is not.
>strawman
The status of the original pokemon doesn't matter you headcanoning moron, and I never said being paradoxes automatically makes them legendaries either.
These guys are paradoxes of legendary pokemon but they aren't legendary pokemon themselves. Koraidon and Miraidon are paradoxes of normal pokemon but are legendary pokemon themselves. Like I said, whatever you think it makes a pokemon "legendary" is completely irrelevant.
Nice projections moron. Those stupid cyclizars have no legends behind them and there is no official source claiming they are legendary pokemon.
They are not legendary pokemon
>there is no official source
Anon... SV's official site literally said they're legendary Pokemon of SV. You can go ahead and check the site.
Don't reply to him, he was in another thread, one about how nice the Raidons are in terms of protagonism and bonding with the MC in SV and he autistically cried for hours that they are shit non-legendaries without legends and other crap nobody cares about, he's just a literal, straight up hater
Terapagos, I guess?
But design-wisely miraidon and koraidon are clearly better and they sort do have legends as they appear in the scarlet/violet books which inspires the professor to bring them to the present.
>SV introduces the concept of similar but unrelated Pokemon by way of convergent evolution
>SV also introduces a bunch of Pokemon that appear to be time-travelling relatives of other Pokemon they resemble
>No connection is ever made between the two
This is so weird. I thought the twist would be that Paradoxes are not actually related to their apparent relatives at all.
Convergents are just regional forms backwards. Paradoxes are regional forms up to eleven (they come from environments way more different because they literally inhabit alternative realities)
Bump
moron