>Well how are you going to play FF16 then?
>Eh we'll just wait for it to come out on Steam
>I see...
Do you agree with his lamentations Ganker? Shpuld prospective game devs need to own a PS5?
CyberConnect 2 President Baffled by Gamedev Students' Lack of Interest in Getting a PS5
>CyberConnect 2
Who fricking cares? These losers stopped making good games the second they stopped making .hack games.
Blame Bamco for propping up SAO and killing .Hack//
I mean what does a PS5 offer that a PC doesn't nowadays? I didn't really play PC games growing up and played mostly on console, but today there aren't a lot of games that are really exclusive to a console anymore, aside from the Switch. If I can play 99% of PS5 games on another system (whether it be PS4 or PC,) what point would there be to get a PS5? As long as those students are actually playing games, it doesn't really matter what system they're playing them on.
I still wish they would have stopped before Link. Thankfully Last Recode had the little epilogue with Reconnection, but to think that Link of all games is the last real .hack games is just heartbreaking.
>mean what does a PS5 offer that a PC doesn't nowadays?
A console and a VR headset is still half the price of a mid-range graphics card.
Consolegays astound me you can buy a 3070 right now off Amazon for $500 and it is 3x more powerful than a PS5 or series x kek
>PC gays think all you need is a GPU to play PC games.
>console vegan claims a mid range card is more expensive than a PS5 and vr headset
>immediately moves the goal posts when he's proven wrong
Every time
Explain how much it is to build a "mid range" PC?
Go ahead. I'll wait.
You got caught out in a lie, admit you were wrong. Pathetic homosexual LMAO
You're talking to like 3 people dumbass.
>that wasn't me! I wasn't a giant moron!
kek EVERY time
what fricking drugs are you on
raw power wise current gen consoles have something like 1060/1070 in them
yes, already outdated shit hardware
>raw power wise current gen consoles have something like 1060/1070 in them
and what's your source for that?
your anus?
Ff16 runs at 720p 60 fps.
all benchmarks I've seen point to it
Fortunately, optimization will have those consoles playing the latest games all the way to 2030.
1) No it isn't. Not even close.
2) It doesn't even match it in terms of visuals because of the lack of vram needing lower texture quality than you can get on the ps5/x
3) You then need the rest of the system to run the games so the costs are even more lopsided in favour of the consoles.
1) yes it is, lying homosexual. https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-REV2-0-WINDFORCE-GV-N3070GAMING-OC-8GD/dp/B098Q4M4WH/
2) I'm sure you think 720p 60 fps is something only the PS5 can do, but vram has nothing to do with performance. If you hit vram limitations, you turn your textures down. See tlou being patched and looking and running better on 8gb vram gpus now.
3) Everyone knows PCs are more expensive up front but offer way more games and features than a console ever will. Free games free online and better sales while not suffering 720p 60fps like in ff16 is worth it to most adults with jobs.
pc games like uuuuuuh mmmmmmh yes
PS5 games like uuuuuuhhh mmmmmmmh yes
There is no argument here; especially given how bad PC ports have gotten and they will only be worse from now on. A console is far better value for new games than a PC. If I cared about new games I would never think of upgrading my PC to play them, it would not be worth it at all.
Console ports have been just as bad because devs don't give a frick; a PC is better for newer games because you don't have to suffer through 900p in performance mode for 60 fps like in dead space kek
>le bad ports
why are you pushing this myth?
there're whole 3 bad ports this year - Tlou, Redfall and Jedi Survivor
Tlou is already patched and Redfall and Jedi Survivor are unplayable shit on console too (lol 648p/24fps)
Those games are still awful to run; and future games will be even worse. Not to mention every other port this year.
The 3070 is barely 40% faster than the ps5. You're the lying homosexual. The 3070 loses in visuals because of the vram requiring lower textures alone.
>The 3070 is barely 40% faster than the ps5.
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAH the 3070 can run most games at 1440p 120, the PS5 DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE to that, the few PC specs equivalents we've gotten from DF have shown ps5 games at low settings and "dynamic 4k" (1200p) HAHAHAHAH 40% holy shit snoys are so fricking funny
>3070 can run most games at 1440p 120
at real 1440p mind you, all high or ultra setting
meanwhile coonsoles use upscale from below 900p in most cases and low/very low equivalent of PC settings and STILL can't reach 60 fps
consoles are so this it's not even funny anymore, it's just sad
I did see full desktop builds in places like newegg. You're not even close to truth.
Okay, what does the PS5 offer non-broke people?
Real talk: Being a broke-ass ho is a valid reason, as well as being a degenerate who can only play games with couch&console. No reason to get an XBox if you haven't already unless you get wet at the thought of gamepass, so if you want a "powerful" console then yeah gotta get a PS5... but that's the only reason, and it's not a particularly strong one.
>Okay, what does the PS5 offer non-broke people?
I wish it offered the rope.
>A console and a VR headset is still half the price of a mid-range graphics card.
600 dollar console, 300 dollar shitty VR headset, that's 1k AND you have to buy all your games like a moron. Oh, and pay 10 bux a month to use your own internet.
Consoles have just become really bad from a value standpoint.
Which is still cheaper than a mid-range graphics card. Don't get me started if you actually want to play VR on PC; PSVR2 fricking obliterates that space.
And how are you going to dev?
If you're making games for the PS5, you'll need to know how a PS5 works.
That's what development kit and documents are for. PS5 is irrelevant.
You sure know how game dev works...
It's nothing to do with that, it's that students don't give a shit about working on the most up to date cutting edge console hardware, which implies they don't give a frick about innovating or making the most of a consoles power
You know nothing about software development. Sit down
Because you are an expert right, dipshit?
>PSVR2 fricking obliterates that space
Yes it "obliterates that space" by only having a 100 game library and no mod support at all. Obliterated
>mid-range graphics card.
Assuming we're talking about $8-900 that'd be an entire mid-range PC. Had you said high-end GPU you'd be right since that's about the price of a 3090 if you're not being ripped off. The 4090 is still meme-tier expensive right now and not even really practical unless you've got frick you money and just want whatever is the biggest.
All of that said, unless you're a caveman, you're going to need a PC or laptop for work/school regardless. So unless you're buying some $100 shitbox of a laptop, you can effectively knock the price of your PC down by however much you'd have spent on something not intended for gaming.
homie, you don't need a "mid-range" card to play vidya, you need one to play "good" looking vidya.
80% of the most popular games in the world can be played on a decent Thinkpad from 2013, atleast 2/3rds of the entirety of steams library can be played on one of those shitty gayman prebuilt PCs with peripheral bundles you can buy at Wallmart for 500-600 bucks.
PCs starts getting obscenely expensive at the highest end of hardware (While also beating any console in raw performance) but at the same time it's also the cheapest option BY FAR at the low end, which is why PCs are so popular in the 3rd world. If you are a moron that can't into tech you can just buy a fricking steam deck and have Volvo treat you like a 3yr old by giving you a UI that is honestly less confusing than XSX and PS5 right now
>a UI that is honestly less confusing than XSX and PS5 right now
Holy frick. I've got an XSX and PS5 and the UIs are full on moronic. It's a battle to find any useful function because they're too busy filling half the screen with ads and gigantic tiled icons telling me what game I last played, the stores make it impossible to browse because they only tag about 7 incredibly vague genres. I'd call it form over function but they don't even look very nice, it's like they were designed as touchscreen UIs.
Now whenever I want to check out a game I just get my phone out and check the game's page on Steam, the quality and quanity of info is just better
>it's like they were designed as touchscreen UIs.
They were. Most UI... I'm sorry, UX designers are coming out of the same farms following dumb minimalistic trend for everything.
Honestly go Steamdeck and Switch if you can afford both, both are simplistic UI's especially the stores. Both cover a lot of bases as Japan knows lol. It's why i own a Switch and a PC.
>I mean what does a PS5 offer that a PC doesn't nowadays?
If you're big, money for timed exclusivity or to keep your game off of other platforms.
Don't care, make a new dot hack.
It's cool that Japan is slowly getting into PC gaming
PC gaming was popular in Japan for a long time but it was limited to eroges, VNs and doujins which were always pretty big, bigger than western indies until they exploded recently.
We already knew no one in Japan actually wants a PS5
All those reported by Famitsu are exported to China
If even game dev students, who are more likely to be hardcore gamers, only have a 10% PS5 ownership, the general population ownership rate must be below that
"we"
Like said PS5 is bombing in Japan while PC is rising. Literally right now it's 20 million users on Steam alone and that number is supposedly as high as Switch users in the region overall. It's good to see Japan see the greatness of PC and to make games themselves than relying on AAA companies locking them into a box system.
i will be laughing so hard when those people try to make a PC exclusive AAA game and they have to shut the studio down
Baldurs gate 3 did great on PC kek
oh you meant the lost ps2 game for autists kek
No I meant an AAA PC exclusive that you'll have to cope with now kek
>AAA games
nobody is stupid enough to do that shit when you can make a new Stardew Valley
>Whining about consoles being closed gardens
>Uses Steam
Shut the frick up and take Gaben's wiener out of your mouth.
Ah, the classic "everything on Steam has DRM" argument.
Not remotely true.
Please show the class how you download your rented licenses without the steam client.
You only have to open Steam once, download the game and copy it to an USB Key.
You dont even need to use Steam if you bought it elsewhere or are pirating.
NTA, but what other solution would you provide? Have each company use their own storefront / website so you make an account for every game you want to play / purchase? Just have the disk and hope it won't require patches? If every game company had their own website where you would need to make an account people would turn to piracy more.
People hate having to download rockstars, ea's and ubisofts client.
Look, I would love a future where games are 100% polished on launch and they can be stored on cd/dvds with server being hosted ala Counter-Strike 1.6 / Old battlenet.
So, not even memeing or shitting on you. What would you propose that could realistically happen?
You realize there are like five different FOSS steam depot downloader tools with no dependency on steam whatsoever, right?
NTA but I didnt.
Steam Alone meaning they could be using other platforms and it's entirely possible they are like DLSITE etc.
Steam is not a platform but a storefront.
PC is the platform Steam is working on and they have no issues with devs going to another store or platform without notice.
PC also allow you to self-publish more easily than any other platform.
>western piggus act like "it can't be helped" is bad translation
>japs themselves use it when speaking english
Ganker beat the frick out
that was google translated...
I guess it can't be helped
Even if you say that…
I don't even get how people unironically translate dangling そう言われげも・・・'s like this. It's almost like they're not actually reading what they're translating.
*そう言われても
i don't even have an excuse for typo'ing that and am gonna go pray to dekinai chan for a few hours.
How would you translate it?
I mean... how wouldn't I translate it?
Still... tough question man.
Even then... I'm not a troonslator, I just think if people knew what its actual intent is vs what it literally says (hint: read the first words of each line of this post or your mother will die in her sleep tonight) then we wouldn't have the >even if you say such a thing meme.
why are you dodging the question? it doesn't make you look cool
Yeah, but...
anon you're a fricking moron with zero reading comprehension
>I still even what first her such
What did he mean by this?
homosexual
immunity dog protects us all. you're safe bros
heh
That's google translated you moron.
can't be helped sissies ABSOLUTELY BTFO
>iToddlers
>BTFO
>https://twitter.com/nnR94419631/status/1673911913397514240
>It can't be helped even if the game industry is said
I guess it truly can't be helped.
Bro this guy is moronic.
Go watch the INDIE LIVE Expos with Ganker.
A MAJORITY of these new upcoming nip indies and doujin devs release on Switch, Mobile, and Steam. And they're getting rewarded for it.
Why would a nip care about a console that no longer cares about them let alone starry eyed dev students?
Because he's horribly out of touch and thinks Sony is still the Japanese game machine and not the Californian movie machine.
>Go watch the INDIE LIVE Expos with Ganker.
BASED
CyberConnect2 is in bed with Bamco who has Sony's wiener down it's throat.
Bamco didn't let them release .Hack ports day 1 on Switch because "it wouldn't be fair to Sony".
That's even stranger because Bamco fricking loves PC. Elden Ring did best on Steam.
false
That's true, actually.
Debunked
>it wouldn't be fair to Sony
Everyone needs to watch this regarding .hack Switch ports
>on Switch, Mobile, and Steam
PS5 and Xbox are just Fifa and Cod machines, make sense to release your indies on Switch mobile and Steam since there's a bigger audience for it on these platform also being able to play these on handled mode helps a lot for games that are not that graphic intensive
And this year the launch was MASSIVE
I watched it in a streamer channel...Indie after indie after indie and people just wanted to leave
Some games were really good
>Go watch the INDIE LIVE Expos with Ganker.
My Black
My fricking man! I was there with you guys on the last thread, i recommend Touhou Empires and Touhou Labyrinth! It was a lot of fun honestly seeing Pocketpair's Palworld and Omega Crafter from Japan. It's really some amazing Indies. Indie Live Expos was great, i can not wait for the next one.
Good. The upcoming generations will make PC grow exponentially in japan.
>that last bit
He's actually right, the reasons games suck now is because they're mostly mass produced slop made by the lowest common denominator instead of 160 IQ autistic schizos
Could 90% of programmers at a game studio even know where to begin on developing an engine now that everyone mass adopted unity/unreal?
>Instead of 160 IQ autistic morons
Schizo does not mean crazy, it's not a edgy pat on the back, it literally means you're a fricking mouthbreathing babbling droolmonkey
>people who can into computers don't waste money on extra locked down systems.
>Why won't anyone buy a Vita?
I bought a vita. I put it down on my table one night before going to bed and during the night it killed itself. I had the fricking thing for 2 weeks and it just randomly died.
mine still works fine.
>individual working with software to make games
>prefers using the computer they already own over buying an entirely separate device just to play games
>someone else working in the same industry sees this as a sign of sloth
I think Hiroshima Matasaki's overthinking it.
>if you dont CONSOOM my favourite brands, I won't hire you
And I'm supposed to believe japs are le based and redpilled?
they never were the only ones that think that are the newbies getting into anime because their latest marvel movie is woke without knowing that the japs aren't much better.
>And I'm supposed to believe japs are le based and redpilled?
They're cucked and bluepilled because that exact ideology is why the majority of Japan uses iphones. Apple gave some top level executives free phones and like a domino effect every brown noser under them bought one too.
That's wrong
iPhone was a success in Japan because Softbank advertised it with a talking dog
That's literally all there is to it
It's the ford dilemma. How will the factory robots buy the cars they produce, the same goes for the devs, who are expected to buy the game they produce.
We're close to the age where new Japanese developers don't know Playstation exists. A golden age of vidya, if you will
All these senior japanese devs would all rather their companies fail than to stop being taken out for business lunches by sony
Unless Sony shits out an incredibly cheap slim model, ain't nobody's buying that shit. Plus plenty of games are still coming out on PS4 so why bother upgrading? $600 for very slightly better graphics? $600 for like 2 exclusive games that'll come to PC sooner or later? There's just no point.
Sony sold 6 million PS5s in America alone last month
Americans are morons anyway
Sony sold nearly 3 million PS5s in japan last month as well. What's the narrative now?
It's still a shit, expensive console with no games. I'd also be incredibly sceptical of any number Sony reports.
Kek if this is true things are looking up for Japan, the youth know the future is PC and Nintendo while Sony joins the western troony ranks where Xbox sits.
People into vidya/game dev are poor. PS5 is just expensive to them. Normies buy Sony‘s 2000 bucks camera and 300 bucks headphones, and they don’t complain about prices.
are you moronic? PC gaming is more expensive and it's still more popular than the PS5. did you even read anything in the OP?
>PC gaming is more expensive
>people still using 1080gtx to play perfectly fine every tittle
Has he looked in the mirror and noticed it's not 1990s any more. Not every developer is packed in the Playstation clown car.
Needy Girl Overdose sold HALF A MILLION on Steam alone.
ASTLIBRA sold insanely well on Steam.
Ender Lilies did gangbusters on Steam before anywhere else.
Indie horror devs like Chillarts subsist on Patreon and regular Steam releases of their games.
A fricking futanari doujin game did 10k on Steam.
And more fricking titls than I can count are seeing the opportunities provided to them by PC.
Steam is THE open platform for devs, especially indies, to explore and experiment. Meanwhile almost all the Japanese AAA devs are also jumping ship to PC while Capcom themselves outright exclaimed the strength of the platform. Why in the hell would they ever bother with a PS5?
only shame is valves flip floppy policy on ecchi games
we would have been guaranteed a new DT game if they accepted the releases
im honestly a bit mad despite the fact that i do appreciate what steam has done for the international indie scene
>only shame is valves flip floppy policy on ecchi games
Yeah. It literally is a lottery and is the number fricking one thing about Steam that needs to go. It won't though; not defining a policy about this and letting the Employee of the Day decide at random means no one can pin down what the frick their stance even is, so nobody can criticize them for no-no games on Twitter.
I'm not sure I get his lamentation. Is he saying new consoles are inherently the forefront of the industry, particularly with the PS5? Would he have lamented over no one developing for the Virtual Boy?
I get that consoles, particularly exclusives, are the ones that tend to push the edge since it's a dedicated games machine. While games can be made to look even better on PC no one develops exclusively for it, not anymore at least, since that kind of powerful PC costs more than a console. But pretty graphics have come at a cost of gameplay. Hell, pretty graphics have come at a cost of storytelling too ironically. Nowadays I'm more willing to trust an indie to actually carry the industry than a AAA game with a budget that's bigger than 50 lifetimes of what I'll ever make.
His lament is that from his perspective students don't give a shit about trying to push the boundaries and he's right but not for the reasons he thinks
Also unless you're backed by the biggest publishers or a complete moron at coding you're never really going to be in a situation where the most powerful consoles on the market is necessary to run your game.
The Switch is legitimately powerful enough for any game from small studios and indie game developers that isn't just a big publisher masquerading a studio as "indie".
his lamentation is that nobody owns a high end console, which he views as the bleeding edge of gaming hardware.
note how he associates Steam with "play slowly".
most japanese don't have home computers, and those that do don't generally build beefy gamen rigs.
not to mention, console games generally aren't ported to PC simultaneously.
He views Steam players as poorgays gaymen with older games on daddy's spreadsheet machine.
>note how he associates Steam with "play slowly".
In the context that google translate means "people don't tush outt o instantly buy a game day 1 despite sony paying to make it exclusive to ps5 on launch"
The only game that I can think it was exclusive and pushed the edge of a console and was a big step for the industry was Shadows of the Colossus
Big corporations are incapable of making good games, the dude is clearly delusional.
Its really starting to look like whatever market wasnt already covered by portables is starting to get eaten up by PC. Switch does well because it doubles as a portable device. If all your console can do is play games at home, whats the point in buying one if you already have a PC that can play the same games?
So it confirms PC won, finally.
Sorry Sony but PC is superior.
>Cyberconnect2
>forefront of the game industry
How about this hack try and release something that's not a fricking Naruto rehash and then talk shit?
He's talking about game devs, which in case it's not wrong. How the frick a dev wants to get into this industry and not have the most recent device being used in the market to have awareness about what's going on tech-wise. It's ridiculous.
By playing on (and making games for) Switch and PC? Cause that's where the money is, unless you want to invest a few hundred million $ in your production.
If you want to ship only to japanese market? sure. But in a global aspect the ps is just as importand as the switch
And pc, really? not a single publisher considers pc in first place nowadays.
>And pc, really? not a single publisher considers pc in first place nowadays.
lmao
>And pc, really? not a single publisher considers pc in first place nowadays
Do you know what games are made on?
Guess what. From pc to porting something to a console there is 10x layers of work. Just knowing how a pc works wont do the job.
>And pc, really? not a single publisher considers pc in first place nowadays.
Pc is first for many companies.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/capcom-says-it-will-make-pc-its-main-platform-going-forwards/
Yet every single game sells more on consoles than on PC... Go try to find 1 game. That's all I'm asking. 1 multiplat release that sold more on PC than on consoles. Oh right, there are none!! If consoles didn't exist there would be no game market at all.
Minecraft
Every soulshit game that sony doesn't pay to not release on pc.
Minecraft
Elden Ring
FFXV(I can believe this because it was nearing 4 million sold and then when it went to PC magically years later it sold 10 million due to being a great port and not having the false start consoles had.)
sauce?
Literally Elden Ring and Biohazard 8.
have a nice day in your shame as the market is going PC. People are tired of the exclusivity bullshit and just want to play games.
No one plays anything on PS5 that isnt free to play games as a service shit like Fortnite or Apex Legends. That market is dead for other games. Even established brands like Final Fantasy and Street Fighter cant sell on playstation anymore.
PC and Switch are the only platforms that matter for traditional games now
This isn't 2007 anymore. Most companies, even japanese which for a while refused to even consider PC as a market, have come around and often have it on steam day 1. Not only that but with good ports.
You're a literal cuckold.
Well from a commercial perspective why should they? Switch dominates the prinary casual market while PC/Steam has overtaken the secondary core market.
PS5 sales that aren't first party Sony titles are fricking abyssmal.
>PS5 sales that aren't first party Sony titles are fricking abyssmal.
And even then Jim Ryan would forced to admit in the Microsoft - Activision Sony they make very little profit off first party titles. And Shuhei Yoshida in the past has admitted only 3 out of 10 1st party Sony titles turn a profit.
Chasing Playstations "cutting edge" is basically a dead-end and a red-herring for game developers looking for success. The console only exists to win Sony marketshare.
>Chasing Playstations "cutting edge" is basically a dead-end and a red-herring for game developers looking for success.
u wot m8, games need better and better hardware to support more complex games. If hardware doesn't improve you get disasters like Cyberpunk. all the biggest games this year so far absolutely wring every drop of poer they can from their respective hardware.
Most people aren't looking for hyper-real graphics.
That's why games with the best graphics sell millions and millions of copies, and make billions of dollars, huh? Because audiences don't care for the games with the best graphics.
You are really not smart at all, do you know that?
Do you really think people are buying games for the sake of the graphics, anon? You Sonybros really are delusional.
The highest-selling multiplat AAA games this generation would not have sold as much if they didn't have cutting edge graphics; there is no disputing this.
The highest selling game is Mario kart 8 at 50 million copies. moron
And yet games like Hogwarts Legacy; Elden Rign; R4make , SF6, Tekken 8 and Starfield still got made and have/are going to make millions despite not appearing on the moron console. And those games absolutely need and benefit from cutting edge technology. gayfaced cretin.
>the market wants ultra realistic graphics those sell the most
>Switch games are on top of all those moron
>W-WELL THOSE DON'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT THERE ARE SOME THAT SELL WELL SO I MADE MY POINT IM NOT MOVING THE GOALPOSTS
Jesus, you're a homosexual
When you resort to deliberately mis-representing the argument just to make a greentext, you know you are a homosexual.
>IM BEING MISREPRESENTED STOP MAKING FUN OF ME
what a homosexual. Kys
Mindless greentext and no argument.
Yep, ur a gayet
If we look outside of "copies sold" to include F2P games, then I'm sure the likes of Fortnite and Genshin Impact are some of the highest, if not the highest, grossing games of both last and this generation.
Those games are definitely not the pinnacle of realistic graphics technology though Fortnite does implement features to showcase UE5. But the majority of people playing Fortnite are doing so on phones where the graphics aren't at that showcase level
>That's why games with the best graphics sell millions and millions of copies, and make billions of dollars, huh?
Most huge games and breakout hits have cartoony graphics. Minecraft, Fortnite, Mario Kart etc.
>more complex games
AAA gotten drastically less complex after 6th gen and never recovered. There is zero physics interactivity in these oscarbaits and the only time we talk about "AI" is when gachahomies try to shill their excuse for art as the next big thing everyone will use.
I'm sure the big publishers are wiping their tears with the billions of dollars their AAA games have made them just this generation alone.
You can't read and just look for your canned consolewar talking points.
>games need better and better hardware to support more complex games
they don't, actually.
modern game devs have no fricking idea how to optimize their code, which is why games are ballooning to hundreds of gigabytes for no reason.
if studios would force their developers to do smaller projects with Assembly and get them to actually learn how to use hardware efficiently, the industry as a whole would benefit immensely.
>modern game devs have no fricking idea how to optimize their code, which is why games are ballooning to hundreds of gigabytes for no reason
This 100%
Just look at something like Redfall (2023) for example. Worse graphics and less complexity than AC Unity (2014) and yet runs much worse and requires 100 fricking GB for the installation
The problem is that the tools of today are made by genius programmers for genius programmers.
They have a lot of support of indie developers and beginners just starting out but the problem comes when these beginners get into the industry and there's no proper checks on qualifications.
They end up with frankly incompetent employees and they don't even know it because "oh they can use Unreal Engine".
They could make two big games and ten smaller games a year, instead of three big games. Every other major company does this, but Sony is obsessed with making another TLoU for some reason. To the point they literally remade TLoU, twice. And a TV show.
Just like every other job, i guess the guy who knows how to understand switch and ps5 will take it. And the guy who only knows how to work on nintendo switch will be let behind.
See
Japanese indies are seeing way more success than ever because of PC.
>Just like every other job, i guess the guy who knows how to understand switch and ps5 will take it. And the guy who only knows how to work on nintendo switch will be let behind.
This, the average anon doesnt work so they dont get how being versatile is a big thing and will make you succeed and get chosen first.
Most anons in this thread are also missing the entire point he's making because they think it's a pissing contest about consolewar homosexualry, he's completely right
What does a ps5 do that a pc doesnt? It isnt 1999 anymore, you don't need special skills to develop for different platforms.
Because it's not about the fricking ps5, it's that students don't give a shit about pushing the highest spec available console hardware to the limit
Which would be relevant if we were still in the 90's or early 00's and consoles would be leaps and bounds beyond PCs in terms of power instead of being the equivalent to mid-range PCs from five years before their release. If you want to be at the cutting edge, you'd go straight for the PC.
You're missing the point of extracting all juice possible out of the best fixed hardware, he's looking for programming autists that like games not goyslurping neckbeards
> he's looking for programming autists that like games
Then why is he so concerned about them not owning an overpriced Blu-Ray player?
Because the implication is they don't give a frick about pushing the cutting edge of whatever the latest console hardware is???
The fricking brainrot in this place is out of control
the implication is they don't give a frick about pushing the cutting edge of whatever the latest console hardware is???
Yeah, but why would anyone care about that? Console users have already shown they're perfectly happy with pop-in heavy 30fps shit, if you're pushing the "cutting edge", you're developing for PC.
Because tech and power allow you to do things which you couldn't be done before and allow for higher possible immersion if you just want to re-create old game or whatever like 90% of indie devs then you will never push the industry or medium forward most people today simply lack any form grand vision or ambition.
I don't even know what you're on about at this point, you should probably just have a nice day.
Congratulations on repeating the contents of the quotes in the OP in your own words, I'm sure your elementary school teacher would be very proud of you. Unfortunately, we were talking about *why* that would be a skillset that actually matters frick all in the current market.
What cutting edge movie game shit?
Ganker has too much of a hateboner towards PS to think in a logical way. This shit sold more than 6m in the last quarter but the console warrior think that PS is dead.
Why would someone who makes a mine-craft clone need to be a specialised ps5 programmer?
Yes we all know sony will twist sales and shipments sold in all kinds of ways to make it seem like there's growth, but good thing we can see from psn MAU it's not growing at all. Lol
yeah, believe in Q.
>This shit sold more than 6m in the last quarter but the console warrior think that PS is dead.
They shipped 6m but until then they were behind the PS4 consistently the entire gen. So there's reason to believe they over shipped purely for the announcements sake.
Yes clearly it is the Switch and devs who put games on it who get left behind in japan.
Picture related is not an image of the japanese flag btw.
Almost looks like the nippon flag >_>
>want to be game dev in Japan
>everyone and their mother has a Switch
>more and more people playing via Steam
>almost no one you know has a PS5
>Xbox basically doesn't exist
Hmmm I wonder why an aspiring Japanese game dev would only care about awareness of Nintendo and PC?
The only reason you would own a PS5 in this market, as a developer, is to understand why it failed, and you don't even need to waste money on one if you have at least a cursory understanding of the market because its blindingly obvious. On the contrary, I would call any developer who thought the PS5 was relevant in the current market completely out of touch.
>is to understand why it failed
You think the highest selling console this generation failed.
imbecile
>On the contrary, I would call any developer who thought the PS5 was relevant in the current market completely out of touch.
No, i take it back, you are a fricking imbecile.
>You think the highest selling console this generation failed.
He said the ps5, not the switch
Switch is 8th gen, moron. Oh, nd do check out its library, there's no end to the gamers it doesn't have, natch 😉
You're telling me switch, according to you an 8th generation console, beat out the ps5 a brand new 9th gen console for years on end? That's embarrassing KEK
Yeah, there are a lot of morons who bought the Switch. And yet; the people who wanted the latest, cutting edge AAA games still bought the PS5 in droves because those games are never coming to Switch.
>cutting edge AAA games still bought the PS
Incorrect those people bought a PC. The only people who bought a ps5 are children who play fortnite (50% of revenue comes from ps alone) and Fifa players. Anyway you are moving the goalposts now because you're a giant moron
How out of touch with the market are you frickers; only the biggest nerds who somehow have money play AAA games on PC; the market at large plays those games on consoles.
>How out of touch with the market are you frickers
Steam has more daily active users then Ps5's sold you moron and by a lot. So no PC is more popular then consoles.
This means shit when the most played Steam games can be played on toasters.
Why do you think that matters?
False sense of scale, just because CSGo has a million active users it doesn't mean those same users can play any game at ultra settings, most can't even play the average game at medium.
The point is that all consoles can play, for example Elden Ring at a decent setting, the same can't be said about all PCs. PC has more resources than consoles but the average pc doesn't have the same range as consoles
>False sense of scale, just because CSGo has a million active users it doesn't mean those same users can play any game at ultra settings, most can't even play the average game at medium.
That's not a false sense of scale though, the customers are there, you don't need to be able to play a game on ultra to buy it
>The point is that all consoles can play, for example Elden Ring at a decent setting
lmao, a GTX1650 runs it better than any PS4, and you can actually change the FOV.
Pure cope
FIFA and Fortnite are the most played games on console, lol
>the people who wanted the latest, cutting edge AAA games
These people get a PC
Well, you're clearly not a developer, but if you were one, you would be severely out of touch.
because not everyone wants to enslave themselves to a proprietary system that's gonna be replaced anyway.
Harada didn't have a PS5 for long time I think too. A ps5 isn't development kit so not that important.
He didnt have a personal, but he had tons in his office for work.
It's completely different from a student that needs to at least see how a ps5 game runs of performs to have an idea of it.
You wont have the grasp of it seeing a stream with fricked up bitrate and compression
>He's talking about game devs, which in case it's not wrong. How the frick a dev wants to get into this industry and not have the most recent device being used in the market to have awareness about what's going on tech-wise. It's ridiculous.
?????????? are you saying you just dont need just the switch knowledge to achieve peak success in game dev? why would you want to differentiate yourself in your work? we know that being like everyone else doesnt affects at all the chances of getting a job.
ps5 is just a midrange pc with some extras, you moronic Black person
>Gaming is being led forward by small man teams, hobbyists and passionate developers
Gaming is healing. This is how it was always meant to be before the big three assimilated everything.
Now only if we can get them to all not make the same fricking genre at the same time
Fricking indie developers chase trends harder than AAA
Can agree Indie Live EXPO felt fun and meme worthy, but godamn i would not be lying if i did not say the genres felt too much the same. Especially with
>Roguelike Deck Builder
>Platformers
>Game about depression
I mean for the love of frick at least try some new genres especially something like a Panel De Pon, Dungeon Crawlers,RPG's, Rhythm games, or some good fanservice action games or fighting games. It's literally not too hard to make people happy here.
The latest console generation is just completely irrelevant. There are barely any exclusives and they just end up getting ported to PC.
See back in the day of course you'd need the system to play on and kinda get a feel for it away from work at home, but these days the last 3 gens have basically just been slight upscales of each other so there's not really a reason to own a PS5 when games are so slow to come out it'll already be the next hardware revision, at least with PC it takes a while before you're simply out spec'd but that's an easier cheaper solution than buying a whole new $500+ console and games for it
i appreciate this series of tweets as an insight into how disconnected these old japanese men are from today's average video game enjoyer. this is a old homie take if ever i did see one.
Even if FFXVI ever comes to PC/Steam; that thing already barely runs on PS5. Think about how dogshit it will be to play on PC given how recent ports are. You are absolutely going to need the latest graphics cards to run that game at an acceptable level.
Now think about how graphics card prices have lost all touch with reality. The idea that these people are fine with paying far at the bare minimum three timnes as much money to play the same game just to play it on PC is so weird.
>Even if FFXVI ever comes to PC/Steam; that thing already barely runs on PS5. Think about how dogshit it will be to play on PC
Bruh, even something like a xx60 nvidia card will run circles around a PS5. People with actual non-toaster gaming PCs will be playing that in 200+ fps on max settings.
I'm mad as frick I bought a ps5 for it and it can't even do 4k 30 or even 1080p 60
I can't wait for the PC release so I can play at 1440p 120 or 4k 60. It's one of the best looking games to come out and it's clear it's being held back by that piece of shit
You are beyond delusional.
The PS5 is a 6600-6600XT equivalent, the 4060 won't be THAT much faster than that: maybe 10% faster than a 6600XT, that's it. If anything it'll be worse than a PS5 at running videogames due to lack of VRAM.
Why do you think everyone's pissed at Nvidia this generation: they barely improved price/performance compared to last-gen. Their margins are higher than ever, they're selling low-end chips as premium products when they're not.
nvidia doesnt need gamers
This.
Their stock has tripled in price this year since their hardware is great for AI workloads
Man there was a time where there would be a frenzy to buy the latest PS console to play the latest big exclusive
But to hear that game devs would rather wait for it to go on steam is pretty nuts. Shows how far Sony has fallen with enthusiasts.
Maybe he should buy PS5s for his dev team
Gamedev is quite a thankless career for most with low pay. Furthermore, it is in Japan. Obviously they can't spend so much money on expensive consoles like PS5 and Xbox unless provided by their company or organisation
/thread
It's the same for many other professions
JESUS FRICKING CHRIST WE NEED TO SMOKE OUT AND BURN ALL THE SONYROACHES OUT OF THE INDUSTRY NEWS AND UNIVERSITIES
It'll happen naturally soon enough. Alot of these devs are hanging on by their finger nails with PS4/PS5 releases.
Once the PS4 market dies (and it will) they'll either have to change how they make games or die.
Why would a dev buy a PS5 when the company already provides a dev kit?
does the devkit actually have a better airflow than the retail unit? no wonder games are overheating
Why would you need to own a console to develop a game on it?
>delusional moron thinks developing for consoles even matters these days when they're using off-the-shelf junk and basic engines
The zoomers are right here.
You think console games don't outsell PC games 20 to 1 at the minimum?
They do that's why nearly every developer and publisher came to PC makes sense to me
I can count the number of developers that can make a profit exclusively off PC gaming on one hand. The market has moved to consoles, that's just how thjings work.
Is this just cope? Bro it ain't the 00s or early 10s anymore.
Holy frick you people are completely oblivous to this industry
>The market has moved to consoles,
Bad bait
"console games" includes the switch btw
Mobile games is misleading since it's gacha shit rather than selling games or do they count full priced ones only?
Two billion pajeets and chinks have smart phones but no consoles. So what?
The fact the console share is still so large despite being not even one tenth the amount of the people who play games on their phones is telling
Why chase cents from third worlders when you can get dollars from first worlders?
Mobile shit is all chasing whales, who put 10k a month into a game, not 60 bucks every 2 years.
And the gacha market is very centralized. Since no one but whaliest whales can sustain multiple gacha at the same time, so there will always be a handful of games making staggering amounts of cash while most others remain rather marginal.
Japanese boomer cannot comprehend not blindly consuming sony garbage.
I understand where he's coming from. IT is an absolutely fricked career in the sense that you have to constantly be keeping up with the latest technologies if you want to keep progressing. Can you imagine someone saying he has been coding on Python 2 for the last 15 years and would try to apply to a new company. Or a cyber security expert who doesn't keep up with news or certs? Game devs should be glad all they need to do to keep up is to look at new trends and games.
You will be surprised how moronic this thread is because people are using the equivalent of "but they can keep going forever focusing just on switch because the switch is fine"
And you can already see the same braindead console warrior takes.
Who are you quoting? No they are using a cross platform engine instead, they will only need to adjust little things.
There no reason to personally own the console, they're still doing work on it but they just don't want one for themselves
I've talked friends who have been too busy working to be in the loop out of buying ps5s because of the lackluster library and that their finances would be better spent on their pc. It's definitely a growing consensus for people not in auto-consoomer mode.
>forefront of the game industry
That's rich coming from fricking CyberConnect
I'm just not gonna buy a ps5 haha
All you get is ESG, censorship, LGBT, Black folk and anti otaku. I think i'm not getting one lmao.
I've been on the games industry for 16 years, both on AAA and indie companies alike, and most of my co-workers don't own consoles, even if they work on games for said consoles
not owning the latest console doesn't mean you are not ready for being in the vanguard - all games are made on PCs, ported to dev kits and then ported to consoles.
This dude is a fricking idiot who only sees money, which is literally everything wrong with the industry today.
consoles are shovelware
>more of them use steam than a sony console
>in fricking japan
He won.
'abe on 'eck
Why would people interested in games care about the PS5?
Quick edit to combine this morons past and current meltdown over Sony not being relevant in the market.
>muh corona
For frick's sake
>PC, easy ports and will make money over time with little chance of being heavily overshadowed especially for games in a series of games
>Console, game dies instantly when a new shiny toy comes out and gets locked to said console when everything moves forward and has little chance of a digital upgrade
Hmm
no one wants a console during summer, at least with PC you can buy a new cooler.
You can't even safely open the console because of the liquid metal.
Is He also one of the famous snoy dev? Why higher up on Japan dev studio mostly snoy, it takes major flop for them to get removed or for like kondo where shareholders threaten Him and he started to make game multiplatform.
I know this is anecdotal evidence but I live on campus at a top university in California. The console with the most ownership among students is the Switch, popular even with women. Second comes PS5 (not owned by many), but almost all of the people use them for third party games like COD, Fortnite, Madden and FIFA etc. I always wonder why these people wouldn't buy an Xbox in that case, since it is about $50 cheaper here and has better hardware.
>I live on campus at a top university in California
My apologies.
>almost all of the people use them for third party games like COD, Fortnite, Madden and FIFA etc.
Of course ps blog itself put out the most popular ps games and not a single sony or Japanese game was top it was just fortnite and sports games
the people that bought PS4s are buying PS5s so that they can transfer all their saves, achievements, games, and play with their PSN friends. The only reason as to why someone would buy an Xbox Series X is that they have friends who are still on Xbox One.
>Oh you're a talented dev, but you don't have the latest hardware slop produced by grourious Sony?
>Ahhh naruhodo... sumimasen mr.gamedev but I won't hire you cus I don't think Ur as good
>PS5
>the forefront
Of what? Like genuinely, no consolewars shit. What forefront? It does nothing special. It pushes no boundaries nor does it have any interest in making certain experiences. It's a multiplat machine that has a tendency to overheat. It just isn't worth anyone's money, much less some poor frick student. How deluded is this guy.
It finally moved development on to solid state drives.
That was the forefront 2 decades ago and it is technology that itself has been around for 3 decades in its current state. That is far from the forefront.
If this was about western gamedevs everybody would be shitting on them for not playing games and only caring about mobile games.
>game dev: >:(
>game dev japan: :O
New .hack// when?!
On the one hand, I see the point he is making. But on the other hand, they can get hands on experience with the console at work? Like, if I was developing a ps5 game, I'd expect for my work to have a ps5 so that I could get familiar with it. I think that just playing games and having a varied taste should be enough, as there isnt much difference in functionality between a ps5 and a xbox aside from the games themselves. Also, its a good thing so many Japanese students are on Steam, as it means better PC versions in the future.
>japs
>playing at work
>having fun at work
LMAO
Kojima does.
>Kojima
>Working
Pick one
The PS5 dorsnt have any games, so they wouldnt be playing anyway. It's just more to say that they'd be using it in some capacity on the job.
I dont need to imagine having a PC as I have one lol; but yeah, it seems pointless to actually own a ps5 yourself for most purposes.
consolegays are just fighting the inevitable. I'll wait for the beta(PC) version. Also Sony should focus on producing gaming gears instead, or PS6 if they still see profitability in new console release.
Dude, imagine having a PC, why even bother having a GayStation5? All the gamedevs' PCs are probably geared with the best VGA, RAMs, SSDs for game development already. Also PS5 cant even browse the internet and forums like PC, so a PS5 to them is more like a ball pit for kiddies, fun to use, obviously, but can't be compared to the Sovldrainer 9000 GTX 4900 64GB RAMs 1TB SSD.
Japan will be nintendo+pc only market in several years.
CC2's familiarity with the latest Final Fantasy games and cutting edge game console technology really helped them develop FF7 Remake, huh?
Oh... Wait...
Shouldn't this indicate that his company should be shifting their strategies away from consoles? Is he just bootyburned that people don't want consoles?
>See that even that the group of people that should be most interested don't care about PS5
>Instead of realizing that PS5 shouldn't be the focus because almost nobody is interested in it, assume that people are just wrong
Guy seems to be a failure both as a dev and as a business person.
>poster assumes things because he has zero reading comprehension and is afflicted with consolewar brainrot
Judging by this thread 95% of you are morons
>PS5 shouldn't be the focus because almost nobody is interested in it
Most people aren't going to start building gaming PCs. The mainstream market will be dominated by the PS5 this generation.
My brother in Christ have you looked at any hard numbers. This generation got assraped to pound town by the Switch
That is irrelavant when the games that matter aren't available on it.
There is no word in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men enough for this level of cope
U just mad because the market still wants games for adults and not manchild shit like what your underpowered pedophile tablet gives you.
I don't own a Switch, I just have a grip on reality. Also you're talking about games for adults while arguing the merits of consoles
Once you graduate high school you will understand what it means to have to manage your money.
Steam literally has more MAU than PSN by a long shot. It's not even close.
nintendo exclusively hires people who dont play video games at all, and they are the most popular game company
saying that you need a ps5 to be a game developer is pretty fricking stupid
PC gamers have giant back catalogues since they can play pretty much every game released for any system between 2010 and the dawn of time. Because of that there's no need to jump on the latest and greatest for $80 and beta test it when you can wait two years and grab the GOTY edition for 20$, and since you upgraded your GPU in the meantime you can also crank all the settings to ultramax. PC gamers are the most intelligent and cultured and with the most varied gaming libraries, not just by genre but also era. We're in the current AAA gaming hellworld specifically because the market doesn't cater enough to them and their kind.
>GameDev school
Holy fricking shit do people unironically fall for this fricking scam?
They're really not going to teach you how to become the next Hideo Kojima or Todd Howard, they're just teaching you structure at best, how to be able to start a project and keep at it until the finish and that's it. You'll end up coming out of there as one of the usual drones that works for a studio just doing cog work like blocking out animation or finicking around with various variables and that's it. You'll never actually be the one in charge of anything.
Yes, why do you think games are so crap these days, they're made by the lowest common denominator not turbo autists, which is exactly what the JP dev is lamenting about
Then make the career more rewarding butthole. These game company fricks are so fricking out of touch. They want prospective new employees to have significant experience in C++ but offer shit pay and terrible working conditions. Only an idiot or someone extremely desperate would choose to work for them.
>someone extremely desperate
So turbo autists?
The games industry has *always* been this way
Consoles are not even supposed to exist in 21st century. They are relic of time when rendering graphics required special dedicated hardware not present in general purpose machines. The only reason why this shit, waste of money and space, exists today, is due to being forced by corporation which arbitrarily limit products to DRM boxes needed to sell brands. Thankfully this unnatural state can't be kept going on forever, althouth it's pretty hilarious seeing a suit getting mad at reality.
No it's because some people don't like the idea of using a computer as a thing to play games on, they just do their work on it then they have the consoles used as the designated "game machine" instead.
What is the difference? A computer is a computer. This reasoning seems like magical thinking of some spear chucker who just encountered a magical black box that shows moving pictures.
>but muh tv
>but muh coach
>but muh controller
Then plug TV and a controller into a computer and sit however you want moron. It shouldn't be anything resembling a challenge for any person capable of successfully graduating school.
I don't know I'm just mentioning what I noticed some people are like towards this concept.
It really just comes down to that simple of an explanation at times, some people see computers as stuff they're purely supposed to do their work on and that's it, then consoles are the things they use to wind down and play shit on.
The very perception of "computer" and "console" as some completely different things is a sign of EXTREME TECHNOLOGICAL ILLITERACY.
Education system of any 1st world country has absolutely no excuse for producing any people this technologically illiterate in a fricking 21st century.
I visited some extended family members last month, a cousin whose like 14 years old right now has that view on things. I played some Fifa with him on his PS4 because that's what he played shit on and said the computer he has he only uses for school in some cases like when COVID hit and they needed to do online classes. Everything else related to watching videos or reading shit online, he just does it off his phone.
You are my favorite kind of assclown here; the guy who gets upset at the way society and the market works on a video game forum.
I partially agree. We all know that PS5 and Xbox are glorified PCs but at was least they enforce standardised performance and don't require the user to do any significant upgrades. Their prices should be reduced.
Also, I believe consoles like the Switch skills always exist because they have innovative hardware, like dual form factor and motion controls.
Don't expect the PC master morons to have any common sense anon.
>Valve has Sony bending over in their own homeland.
Holy shit steam deck and a lack of good exclusives has really frickin unloyalted a ton of people in japan.
No one gives a frick about the dreck, moron. Shits selling on par with the engage launch alinged.
The Switch just sucks with really shit hardware and laughably bad online/account system. I have zero clue why its so popular in Japan and elsewhere beyond simply being portable even Vita shit all over Switch the guy is right that you probably can't be taken seriously as a game dev if you're satisfied to just play a bunch kiddie Nintendo games and crap ports on your outdated handheld even phones put to shame.
What can a PS5 or XSX do that a PC can't?
its hilarious that the kiddie console you speak off proves that everything you said means jack shit because thats not the reality you live in. and the reality is that Nintendo has basically somehow managed to Outlast both Xbox and Sony in this industry as the room for improvements starts to slow and the gap ever inching forward its honestly amazing how those old fricks at Nintendo did it.
really doesn't matter switch is objectively a bad console just like the wii i don't give a frick how much it sells still won't make it any less of a joke.
You sound upset, Eric 😉
Just like the other two consoles as well, all that power and none of the exclusives.
I primarily game in my PC but every once in awhile I'll boot up my shitch and have a decent time either way my guy Iam just stating what Iam seeing and what Iam seeing is that Sony and Xbox dropped the fricking ball and have havent fricking picked it up since last gen.
>Objectively bad
Why? Because it doesent have mah graphics? Mah 4k capable 120fps supported console? Mah 5-6 year AAA industry cycles with overinflated budgets due to massive scaling of games? Frick that shit, Switch is great just because it HAS FRICKING GAMES! It also doesent pretend to be something that it's not including a PC.
Listen, no matter how hard you want to dickride one japanese corporation over the other; fact of the matter is that other than Nintendo's games; there is absolutely nothing of value on Switch and the biggest dev studios have no interest in developing games for underpowered hardware.
>if you ignore games a game console has no value
man Ganker truly is the best place for intellectual conversations.
See, this is the kind of opposition this place brings me. No arguments; just complete made up bullshit to pretend that the guy has an argument. Not even tangentially related to what he's responding to!
It's just pathetic how stupid people here are.
Not as pathetic as the PS5
The games that matter will be on PS5 and not Switch from here on out
And more people will play them on PS5 than PC
keep seething 😉
Like what?
Like what, horizon dyke of the west?
and here they come with the bigotry like clockwork
Yeah, there are people so moronic here they praise the ps5
Benefits of owning a ps5:
It's only inevitable that PC gaming keeps growing
Especially when integrated graphics in crappy laptops are already enough to run indie games and will soon be enough to run AAA slop perfectly fine
>integrated graphics in crappy laptops are already enough to run indie games and will soon be enough to run AAA slop perfectly fine
Yeahhhhhh, noooooooooo.
Meds.
No one is talking max settings at 4K here. Just running the games.
And yes, even a bottom of the barrel AMD mendocino soc can run the typical indie game. More advanced igpus like the 780M can already run AAA games.
The lastest games all run poorly on them; people who want to play those will never choose an APU.
Some people just want to run the games and don't care that much for le 4K max settings 144 fps experience. And current igpus are already capable of providing a playable experience.
Not to mention that the industry isn't static, there are new more powerful products coming out on an almost yearly basis.
Most Japanese students only play mobile games or Switch, some hardcore also play stuff on PC. They don't play on PS5/Xbox and thus don't have interest in developing for these devices. This will lead to console-centric companies to hire foreigners to keep up with the evolution of tech since local workforce doesn't have the know-how and doesn't want to acquire these skillsets.
Basically, don't expect Japan to produce another Hideo Kojima, Hidetaka Miyazaki or Fumito Ueda. Once these guys are done, all you will get are gachas and JPEG simulators.
Friendly reminder Square Enix was shilling Steam at TGS last year.
Young peopre pray on PC not consore?
Shamefur disray!
That's not the way of the Japanese!
Then just make them on the Switch?
It isn't like they are stricter than Steam with the eechie content.
Show me the Honey Select 2 port of Switch
To be fair he is not wrong. For some reason Steam does have a weird approval process to where they rejected Rance and Muramasa for no real reason and even then for them to get it on Steam they had to do deep cuts. Switch does have Moero Crystal H and Seven Pirates H along with the uncut versions of Mugen Souls and Mugen Souls Z(well because Ghostlight is a homosexual and decided not to uncensor it on Steam and EastAsiaSoft did for Switch.)
Yes the Switch its nice for ecci but still doesn't allow porn games, and Steam is moronic in the way they handled these, just allow them without censuring or external patches and quit the facade
I wonder if Valve are stingy about it because of payment processors being huge Black folk about this kind of stuff
There's GoG, they'd allow almost anything ecchi nowadays. Though I don't think Japs are aware of the marketplace just yet.
They will eventually, they are just getting used to Steam and DLSITE for now. Eventually they will expand out to GOG much like the rest but that will be awhile for now and it's also unless GOG contacts them about it.
I'm still suprised they allow H stuff anywhere near Steam, I know they've got the capital to swing their weight around but payment processors get very flighty around porn
Agreed. Steam has the R18 button there to turn off and on the Adult stuff, i want to see my adult games on there with Rance. But i am guessing everyone is right about the payment processors. It's just weird they do not mind 3D porn but somehow dislike 2D porn.
It's because the 2D porn games are usually anime and it veers close to looking underage to most normalgays. No one's confusing a daz goblin for something youthful
Why do snoys spend all their time seething instead of playing all the awesome games they supposedly have?
They dont have any, its frickin the PS3 all over again. honestly they deserve it for lying to me about how good the uncharted series was, I was absolutely frickin confused how that shitty frickin series even had any praise.
nah, now that the gen is really starting we are getting games left and right you tendies are just coping with your remasters and remake you keep getting since 5 years
Such as?
I can make a list of 30 games but you'll just say muh doesnt count
So you can't?
More funny back at ps3 you have more exclusives in 3 years after launch compared to ps5
Imagine being at computers.
Heads up gays.
2chan is having a thread about his tweets as well. Shit's hilarious. Enjoy and don't forget to post juicy caps.
https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1111377656.htm
this dead website with 3 people ! no one gives a frick lol
That's right x11
I like the comments saying that they'll boycott Level Five because of this.
based
That's right x12
>I won't buy Level 5 games anymore
Holy shit lmao, nips are absolutely savage.
>Indirectly mentioning to aim higher if you desire to become the greatest
God i love Japan.
>This thread
Holy shit 2chan bros are literally just us but nips
>Noone cares about cc2 outside of .hack
>Making fun of him for his cosplays
>Shitting on his webcomic
>4090 is a meme card
>Shitting on Platinum games
lol that but they also do original meme posts if you notice. Like the Jojo pictures with some guys face on it. Reminds me of how great this site could be if some of us tried.
Big oof
Btw I accidentally clicked twice on a that's right, is like a updoot system there?
It seems like it is upvotes, but I'd say it's more of a 'you said what I was going to say and so I dont want to waste thread space' more than the reddit popularity contest
Oh that's a neat feature I wonder why we don't have th-
>remembers discords raids
Nevermind.
That's right!
>Oh that's a neat feature I wonder why we don't have th-
That's actually how reports used to work here too, and it was already abused by buttholes with bots and taken away before Discord even existed.
Well shit, I just outed myself as a newbie.
I guess japanese really is the great filter against low effort shitting.
I believe we need to come up with a better system that is able to surpass the low effort threads, but only thing we can do is ignore it for now.
Was think of something like obligatory "sage", where you have to actually write "bump" in the Options field to bump the thread. Although I came to the conclusion that this too can be circumvented by bots. Still, would make people replying to bait threads not bump the thread.
We've already reached the best solution, get more volunteer mods but also keep a complaint Discord open that people can go and yell in when a mod decides to start power tripping or doing moronic shit or isn't doing their job.
Yeah Futaba has an upvote system and a shadow downvote system which is the delete request button, it democratizes moderation by having deletes be based on delete requests VS that's rights.
I'm using both google and deepl to translate stuff here and it's weird how it's pretty much split: sometimes the google translation is incomprehensible but I can stitch something sensible together from deepl, other times it's the other way around
>I won't buy Level 5 games anymore
based they tricked me with Ni No Ku Ni 2 because the first one was kino and I got a shit kusoge game
It sounds like the mewling of a dickhole who wants both the limited time exclusive money from 501NY, but also the money from selling it to people on things that people actually own.
The money left on the table argument he is inadvertently making is that taking the money to hamstring other platforms for a time is incredibly dumb and is what dumb buttholes like 501NY and EPIC are known for to try and make up for having a shitty platform.
Vtubers all use steam so of course their jap audience members are going to flee goystation to join the chuubas
I wonder how much Sony pays. I feel like you really do lose a lot by not at least putting the game on PC. For example, I'm historically a FF fan but I don't play on consoles any more. I might have got FF16 and enjoyed it enough to keep playing it if it was on PC. But now that I have to wait and I see all the criticism, I might never bother or will wait for it to be dirt cheap.
FF isn't the monster it was 20+ years ago. It might make more money now but it took more development cost and time to get there than the almost yearly releases it used to be in the 90s.
It lowers the value seen by many consumers on the other platforms too. Like when FF7 Rebirth comes out, there's no way I'm paying $70 for a game that's already old. A game that everyone has already spoiled and shitposted about.
haha im a fake gamer who plays on youtube im so good !
>I wonder how much Sony pays
Probably a lot less than people expect. We had some leaks in the past, and I was always surprised by how huge companies were willing to sell their soul for pennies.
Like, Nintendo paid 6 million dollers for a year of MH Rise exclusivity. Six million, that's nothing. https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/12/nintendo_paid_around_usd6_million_for_monster_hunter_rises_timed_exclusivity_on_switch
Epic paid 10 million for Control https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/epic-spent-444-million-dollars-on-exclusive-games-in-2020
I would get it if these were small indie developers, getting even $200k upfront is huge. But why the frick would Capcom care about five millions.
>I would get it if these were small indie developers, getting even $200k upfront is huge. But why the frick would Capcom care about five millions.
Because the PS install base for Monster Hunter is negligible compared to Switch's so there's little to no affect on sales? I mean this thread is literally about how 90% of gamers have Switches and 10% have PS5s.
World sold 10 million copies on PS4 and 10 million copies on PC, what the frick are you talking about. That deal made no sense whatsoever, five million dollars is nothing for a company like Capcom.
Are you stuck in 2006? Most AAA games nowadays sell like 45% on PS, 45% on PC and 10% on Xbox. Here's Elden Ring:
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/elden-ring-is-the-biggest-new-ip-since-the-division-european-monthly-charts
PC-centric titles like Cyberpunk and more recently Diablo sold like shit on console compared to PC: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/78909/cyberpunk-2077-sold-more-on-pc-than-ps4-and-xbox-one-combined/index.html
CC2 died with Naruto, since Boruto is not on the same success level they can't make new games with the same budget they did the narutimate/accel/storm series.
They are even remastering the last one again with new content.
Is that the game they are remastering?
If Boruto is not as good it can't be helped. They aren't just gonna stop making games.
How the frick are you a CEO and you can't afford a translator to make sense if your incoherent ramblings?
That last bit is pretty ironic, maybe its a mistranslation. He thinks he's at the forefront of the game industry, buying and making sony movie games when all the kids know the vanguard of game dev is outside the aaa space and completely decoupled from graphics and tech.
The last one is a huge mistranslation. He's being passive-aggressive towards people he knows, seemingly.
>There may be some people who say "I don't have a PS5, but I work at the forefront of the gaming industry". Well good luck with that!
Kek, that was me. I didnt even own a ps4, I didnt consider that maybe the lack of consumption was a sign I was a bad fit for the job but considering I quit because i didn't understand the appeal of the games we were making mabe he was right.
Support from console makers are essential for jap AAA development. Unless you are big publisher like Bamco or Capcom. Even SE depend on exclusive money.
>CyberConnect2
Bandai sama... it's been 17 years of straight Naruto games could we please make another .ha-ACK
Or at least make a GOOD naruto game again. Clash of Ninja should have been the one to live.
In my companies interviews we ask what consoles you have and what game you most recently played for each
You have to have all current, owned at least 4 generations previous and put down a sentence about each game
Or we just ball up the resume and throw it out
Helps keeps Black folk and trannies out as they don't have money
what would you do if it's all sonic games
Use ChatGPT to translate, it's better
>In English-speaking countries, there is a meme that refers to an old-fashioned person as the principal from The Simpsons saying, "I don't understand young people at all. Am I outdated...? No, it's the kids who are wrong!" It perfectly describes someone like Matsuyama who is out of touch and unaware of their outdated sensibilities, believing that everyone else is in the wrong.
It describes Jim Ryan and the rest of the Sony Exec boomers to a fricking T.
Which is why they're outselling microsoft. Dumb boomers not understanding business
>Outselling Microsoft
b***h please, Gamepass brings in more revenue than Sony could ever hope to have on it's PSNow service. Watch when COD gets on there with Multiplayer. It will sell higher than your shitbox.
Sony should take this as a sign to be more gamer friendly rather than lgbtq friendly. Here's a fricking shocking fact: nerds like games and they like hot women. Its ok to make games that aren't targeted towards nerds, but you damn well better make a lot of your gamed targeted towards nerds if you want money because those are the ones that will spend a lot of money on it. There's of course also brodudes that only play cod and fifa and won't be buying those for the hot babes, but you can bet your sweet fricking ass that masculine brodudes that only like guns, sports and cars DO NOT like a shitton of woke gay shit in their games.
Sony, stop being so fricking gay if you actually like money. You can start by entirely stopping your moronic censhorship of japanese games since that were the primary fricking reason your Japanese audience used to buy your consoles.
WHAT CAN A PS5 OR XSX DO THAT A PC CAN'T, HUH?
At least Switch has a reason to exist because of its dock system and motion controls
You can do those on PC as well. No console has any ""reason"" to exist at this point, practically speaking. Some people prefer to play on easy-to-use, dedicated videogame machines and that's it: that's why consoles still exist and are still successful.
Well then, consoles shouldn't be that expensive.
Consoles stopped being that with the PS3 gen and became shitty closed platform PCs.
You have to constantly patch games and run hardware updates or it doesn't work. LONG gone are the days of just putting a disc in and playing.
An XSX has cros-save features with PC, plays Xbox discs and has backwards compatibility all the way to Xbox OG to some extent.
Why would a game dev need a blu-ray player?
The PS5 is shit and has no redeeming qualities. Make a .hack//IMOQ remake already or frick off
The conclusion I get about this is devs should having such "slow sense" about releasing games on Steam. If market demographics say 80% of your customers are there why even bother to take the timed exclusivity deals to elsewhere.
>If market demographics say 80% of your customers are there why even bother to take the timed exclusivity deals to elsewhere.
To help poor trad mom&pop stoe sony out? They need our helpt to stay in business because no one cares about their games at all.
Isn't it because PS5 uses a proprietary graphics API and you literally need experience with it because just knowing how to use DX12 on PC isn't enough.
yeah though if you're just using dx for PC you're failing at life too
that jap boomer is just in the mentality of the ps2 days though it's pretty disingenuous when even FFXVI was devved with PC as the lead platform
I just hate the idea of exclusives in general. I have a PC and I want to play any/all games on PC. I don't want to, nor shouldn't have, wait for X months/years before I'm allowed to play. And I'm not saying this just for myself but for anyone else too. I should be able to play Mario games on Xbox, and Deus Ex on Playstation or whatever else the frick too. If a MS game can't run on Switch hardware, that's a different problem and a different discussion.
Doing shit like withholding FF16 from PC/other platforms just because is so fricking dumb. And why would anyone go out and drop X hundreds of dollars on a PS5, FF16, and anything else they need just to play one game? Of course they won't, they'd wait and play it on their other platform so they only have to spend 60-70 on the game and no more.
competition brings innovation steam cvck your platform is useless and serves no purpose
Nah, it serveds a pretty good purpose, enough to kill PS5 and xbox. Wipe your tears and read the OP again
I stopped giving a shit honestly, I have so many games I can play instead. FF16 is a PS5-exclusive? Ok, who cares, I can wait.
I'm a Monster Hunter gay: when Rise was delayed on PC, do you think I went and bought a Switch? Of course not, I waited. I didn't even buy it at launch because at that point Elden Ring was just around the corner.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old, maybe it's because I can't get excited about the latest and greatest videogames anymore and I'd rather play indies... but exclusives have no effect on me. I know every game will make it to PC eventually and I'm fine with that. I've been waiting ten years for Bloodborne, my patience is limitless.
Litteral shitty Anime corporate SH
>How can you make "good games" if you don't buy the latest AAA trash on the latest useless console?
Meanwhile, at Nintendo
>we usually try to hire non gamer people, so they can innovate with more ease
I can't really tell wich opinion is more important....
>telling broke-ass students that they MUST purchase overpriced consoles to have a chance in the industry
That is really out of touch.
PS5 is expensive and this butthole is telling people who should be focusing entirely on their study rather than disrupting that with work that if they're too broke to buy one they won't make it.
>CyberConnect 2
who cares, they mostly make shitty anime fighters
I love the couch gaming experience, so I have one. I've tried setting up a living room PC deal before, but no matter how much you try to setup a seemless front end sooner or later you'll need to connect a keyboard to do shit.
I use a PC with an HDMI to my 4k TV and use a gaming controller or a KB+M. It's fun either way.
He's lamenting that the people are being pussy b***hes that will only play with titles that are released on financially cheap platforms that use cheap, low end tech that doesn't involve the not tried and true tech that challenges the process of software development that made Japanese video game software development competitive. How are you going to be in the industry and not haved played and owned the system(s) that are at the most cutting edge for software video game development and instead are playing on platforms that only use technology (software/hardware) that is not at the cutting edge? The trend is setting up the Japanese industry for failure to compete and to be able to push the bar further.
What's a cutting edge Japanese 3d game from the last 20 years?
Ligma Balls.
If the question is to imply some graphical fidelity leap, that's not what was Matsuyama is referring to. It's the software and hardware that you're working with. See most people on this board tend to think like consumers. When your produce video games that's an entirely different thing all together. Alright so cutting edge right now would be games that are using Vulkan, Metal, WebGL, in addition to the two usual suspects Direct X and OpenGL. Then there is the particular chipsets used that are now mostly x86 (32 bit) CPUs instead of the custom built ones that were about the same as the ARM chips that use a smaller ISA compared to the much larger x86 ISA which adds more complexity to any project. So while you, the consumer, only sees textures and graphical fidelity that reminds you of something from five, six years ago, the underlying tech below is what has changed to make the portage, distribution, and execution (play time) to be seamless.
>Vulkan, Metal, WebGL, in addition to the two usual suspects Direct X and OpenGL. Then there is the particular chipsets used that are now mostly x86 (32 bit) CPUs instead of the custom built ones that were about the same as the ARM chips that use a smaller ISA compared to the much larger x86 ISA which adds more complexity to any project
And who exploits all the features of those GPU interfaces and CPU architectures? What Japanese games have massive amount of entities where you use vector instructions or GPU offloading or show special texture shaders or whatever shiny particles that cookie cutter engines can do out of box just in the same way? What Japanese games did A Doom 3 Texture showcase? A Half life 2 Physics showcase? Where are the destructible environments?
I get what you're going with that rhetorical question okay so I'm going to answer this: American developers (north american really) and Europeans have only relied on technological advances as gimmicks to then become gameplay mechanical features in a game to sell a video game along with an increase in visual fidelity to deliver the "photorealistic" video game experience. That's it. The Japanese video game industry has really focused more on game design which puts visual fidelities and tech advances to the backburner (Nintendo is a continuous example of this given their track record). And once gaine, like I said, most consumers are not going to give a shit about the underlying tech unless it's in front of their face to them get it, in the case of the Japanese, they only care about advancing execution optimizations, portages, and distribution. Because that's where most of the software development gets interesting with as far as "exploiting all the features".
Not it doesn't get interesting it is just more useless slog, you mentioned apple's metal. So now the dev has to implement another Graphics API to add to all the other systems they want to support. Why would they rewrite their game to specially suit each API? No they will just write an abstraction layer use the lowest common denominator and not use all those proprietary features and go on with actually coding their game.
Well, I guess we'll have to ask Kojima Productions if they or didn't they use an abstraction layer at some point now won't we? But honestly? I am starting to believe that we have a lot of lying programmers in the video games industry, both indie and corporate, that will want to take advantage of the ignorance of computer sofwater development to just get away with an easy paycheck and take the easiest path of the least resistance and then turn around and pretend that things are just "going to need more improvement" or some goal post moving that usually works on management. Which may expalin why maybe perhaps we're going to get more of the same kinds of video games and so as a consumer, I say, why the frick bother buying new video games? The programmers are dogshit and inscinere.
You're literally asking Japan to use the western model that is failling right fricking now before our eyes.
>using adverb literally
>western model
business model you mean and no I'm not. and you're going to have to clarify what the frick even means because this is not /r where you get to impress people with a fricking adverb in sentence.
>failing right fricking now before our eyes.
What the frick are you gesticulating about? God you're a homosexual.
I'm not "asking Japan" to do shit. I'm saying what Matsuyama with that gay ass translation of his tweets is talking about with what he sees in video game vocational schools in Japan right now. And what what he says is a lack of competitive incentives and attitudes among the students who are not even trying to get ahold of the products that they'll be wanting to make software for to start with! That's not an unreasonable thing to worry about.
Chasing "cutting edge" tech is typically AAA behavior who happen to be western in origin most of the time.
>And what what he says is a lack of competitive incentives and attitudes among the students who are not even trying to get ahold of the products that they'll be wanting to make software for to start with! That's not an unreasonable thing to worry about.
An actual school would have said platform at the disposal of students, otherwise, that's just an hidden entry fee because you're asking poorgay students to own all consoles and a PC powerful enough to run recent games.
Software development in Japan has always been expensive. Always. That has not changed and to expect the school to have the consoles ready for you to *until then* to learn about the system that you're going to work on developing for shows a lack of initiative and so the guy may as well just not go int the industry to begin with. And no it's not a "hidden fee", it's part of the deal wanting to get the foot in. In Japan the video games industry is a vocation, not some university thing that you go get a degree for.
You're full of shit because devkits exist and you dont need every student to own a console to make a game when 80% of a games is various art/music assets and the remaining 20% is actual coding.
If anything, teaching them to make attractive design will help them more than owning both a PS5 and Xbox to show a boomer that you may or may not be motivated.
>You're full of shit because X exists
>exists
>cites magical number out of his ass
>makes it about some dialetical materialist moral homosexual screed
Thanks for playing, don't less the door hit you in the ass on the way out loser.
>cites magical number out of his ass
Literally read the credits of any games.
Artists always outnumber codemonkeys.
You can't use a regular ps5 to develop games on you moron, you need a devkit.
>B-B-B-B-buty my dev kit!
Look man if you don't know the product that you are going to make software for, even if you have the dev kit or game engine software suite, you're still not going to understand the product. Consumers do this all the time in this fricking board of insisting to put the carriage before the horse. This is why corporations don't give a frick what whiny video game consumers cry about on social media. I'm not kidding about this.
What the frick are you gonna learn from a regular consumer ps5? You have no idea what the frick you're talking about.
Nor do you. Clearly. I mean this is why, again, anyone who doesn't make video games and just palys them is not going to understand what those tweets made by someone that actually has worked and trained in the industry's vocational schools is talking about. Man I'm starting to understand why Kamiya blocks motherfrickers on Tiwtter.
>everyone is as dumb as I am!
No, that's not true. Stop projecting your moronation onto everyone else.
>prjoection arguement
Thank you for playing and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Your argument is that you don't know what the frick you're talking, therefore nobody else does. That's not an argument, you're assuming that everyone else has the same knowledge you do for no fricking reason.
I'm not making an arguement. I'm making a statement of fact. Holy shit Ganker was stupid but this takes the cake. In spades no less.
>I'm making a statement of fact.
But you already admitted that you had no idea how game dev works.
No I didn't. Man I tell you I now really understand why Japanese companies ignore western consumers now. I totally get it.
you admitted in this post that i was right when i said that you have no idea what the frick you're talking about
idk what you hope for the end goal, if this is it keep going but don't expect much more from 'im
>b-b-b-but my logic I'm totally right because my reading sucks.
Your prize today is that no one cares.
Do you know anything about how game development works, yes or no?
>this is why, again, anyone who doesn't make video games and just palys them is not going to understand what those tweets made by someone that actually has worked and trained in the industry's vocational schools is talking about
>tl;dr T-TRUST THE EXPERTS!!!!
You're moving goalposts all over the place
Right I'm to trust the consumers? The people that don't make shit? The people just buy shit year after year and then whine and b***h - sometimes before buying the product to then try out. Right. That's just swell. Frick I may as well buy more Nintendo stock because frick I may as well make money off the stupidity.
Yes. Because some of these consumers are the indie devs currently holding up the industry.
Again you've completely lost sight of what you're arguing for.
>lost sight
pretty sure my man just wants to impotently rage
>indie devs holding up the industry
The only thing that independent developers do is - as far as the U.S. goes - is just make multiple gimmick video games and then say it's "art" to then sell them. Or come up with some "high concept" to then pitch to make the game sellable like "Gone Home". while regurgitating the same shit that was already done 10, 20, even 30 years ago. Oh that's some good product worth spending money on now is it? No obviously not.
man that anon was eight about your ignorance, dang
it ain't a vurtue m8, your mind is literally a decade away from reality at best because of it
>it's not a virtue (in homosexual British English)
You know I could give a shit about virtuosity or morality or ethics at this point when dealing with people that are so far up their own ass about remaking shit all the time and then selling it thinking it's as good as artisenal pretzels or some shit. Here's my solution: how about everyone stops buying video games? Destroy the whole industry? And force these indie devs that have just wanted to copy whatever the frick is going on in the U.S. which is dying to go the same route because "muh nostalgia"? and listen "mate" attempts at shaming people for pointing out the lack honesty that video game software developers (namely programmers) that don't want to really do anything hard is really telling. But hey, frick it, all consumers have to do is know that and then start pirating and emulating old games and saying "sayonara" to buying new shit from either corporate or indie developers.
>t. didnt watch the indie expo
Is it any surprise the moron screeching about how gaming needs to advance has no idea what he's talking about?
Imagine being so dismissive of indies that have been trouncing AAA for nearly 5 years in a row now
>this anon didn't watch the indie expo
and why the frick would anyone at this point?
If wanted to go to watch a stream of an art exhibition, I'd go to a museum. But watching a bunch of Any Worhal wannabes with their "games" frick that.
You're delusionnal if you think devs spend time reverse engineering consoles.
They just use devkits and call it a day.
Push the bar further in what, exactly?
Muh graphics? Because that's the only thing moving forward in games tech, and even then at a snail's pace thanks to diminishing returns (hell, some AAA games unironically look worse than some games released many years prior).
Like I answered the last anon, the bar is not involving graphical fidelity necessarily anymore it's the underlying tech that makes the games at this point for portage, distribution and execution (runtime) of the software being developed. The building of the tools (including in-house game engines or parts of a game engine suite) are all part of what makes "the cutting edge" or "pushing the bar" so to speak. This is really a concern for producers but not really consumers (which is a vast bunch of most motherfrickers on this thread and board).
Because as far as muh graphics go, that shit is now about being able to cram and process raster graphics of certain dimensions as far as scaling and de-scaling in real time as expected at this point while making sure the game is compact enough and optimized to run on x86 chips with modified ISAs or ARM chips or whatever. Beats out having to just rely on third-party tool developments by Unity and Epic Games.
this homie wants nothing but UE5 slop
Frick you no. God no. Why have more Epic Games and Unity slop? Why? The reason is really simple and that is because you have tons of motherfrickers in japan, like Europe and North America, that suck at coding and would rather lean hard on that pre-made engine shit than get their hands dirty on the API works needed. Let's take the portage of Death Stranding to Mac. That shit was amazing because they used Metal to get that to be ported and the performance returns were great for the Mac (and I don't even give a shit about Apple) and that's some impressive stuff. But for the consumer? Most motherfrickers won't give a shit because they'll just say "it looks the same"
>portage of Death Stranding to Mac
It's a thing? I have no idea.
Damn, pretty impressive. Say what you want about Kojima and his studio but I gotta give it to 'em, they actually explore different tech that not many other Jap devs are doing. I recall only Capcom have their mac ports, good to know that KojiPro are trying as well.
Not impressive he is a hipster besides westabo cinematic gay so his authism makes it care for macport as going for ps3 back when mgs4
Of course Kojima would gladly make port for Mac if Apple gives them money.
Also,
>Mac
>Gaming
Pick one.
>Engine was literally given to them for free by fricking Guerrilla Studios
They bypassed the hardest part of development
It is anon it truly is. I'd post more but something tells me that a lot of reddit gays have come to play at this time of day/night so I'm going to bed. Take care.
>He's lamenting that the people are being pussy b***hes that will only play with titles that are released on financially cheap platforms that use cheap, low end tech that doesn't involve the not tried and true tech that challenges the process of software development that made Japanese video game software development competitive
If that's the case why aren't Cyberconnect2 being competitive and convincing Japanese people to buy PS5s with their games?
Go ask them.
It's a shit console with essentially no reason to own one, so no.
Japreddit is talking about this too
https://old.reddit.com/r/newsokuexp/comments/14l4cd3/cc2松山業界目指す学生の1割しかps5を持ってないなっとらん/
>I understand what this guy is trying to say. He is not wrong in saying that if you want to be in the industry, you should make an effort to keep abreast of the latest trends. However, college students who are interested in video games are the very audience for video games, and the results of the survey should make us in the industry more aware of the crisis and take it more seriously.
>They fundamentally do not understand that the more they shout "in our industry," the further they are from the market needs, and that is exactly what will lead to the decline of the industry.
>When you're at 90% switch, all I can say is accept reality.
>I don't know why game company presidents don't understand the essence of the fact that hardware follows the game
>The emphasis on hardware performance and graphics is almost the same as the supremacy of foreign games that Inership had 10 to 15 years ago, which has been proven wrong by the indie boom in recent years. Fuga is following this trend, and can even be said to be the antithesis of what Matsuyama is talking about. I can't believe that the president of the company is not aware of this, and I wonder if he doesn't even understand the features and appeal of his own work.
>It seems that they are completely unaware that the era of video game consoles is finally coming to an end in Japan. Steam is 100 times more important than PS5, especially if you want to compete globally. It's not a bad thing to have access to all of them, but it's not a requirement by any means.
>I've been in the gaming industry for a fair amount of time, and it's not just me. There used to be a few more, but now PS and Xbox are practically PCs, The multi PF rate has gone up so much that you don't need to have one. If you really want to see FF16 early, you can just watch the play videos on Youtube.
Holy fricking shit lol.
>Japs actually calling out the DeSR artsyle changes
Huh
They do keep tabs on our sphere at times, some of them are bilingual and watch some of our videos and bring it over to Japan itself to explain what happened what was changed. There was even one Japanese Youtuber that did call out DF for it's criticism of Stellar Blade and said they were being out of line.
They fricking hated DeSR from day one bruv
Wow we are living in Nu-Ganker times if we're importing /r takes. ha ha ha.
amereddit is shit, japreddit is based
> I'd rather not buy a console just to know how shitty it is.
All reddit is shit. No exceptions.
the 2chan thread is the usual 2channel shitters but the japreddit thread has actual japanese game devs and industry people discussing it
conman inafune who nearly killed capcom
>I'm involved in the industry (though not in development) and have bought 20 new games this year alone, so I guess I'm part of the demographic that the industry should be targeting, but I don't have a PS5 and never wanted one until now. In fact, I'm even disgusted by Sony's policies (the 0X button, Japan Studio, biased restrictions on expression, the Demons remake with a garbage art design without From, etc.).
>It could even be said that creating a game that requires a high-spec machine is itself limiting the pie of potential needs.
>In Matsuyama's mind, "using Steam" is equal to "having a gaming PC powerful enough to run FF16". But the 80% Steam penetration rate does not mean "the penetration rate of PCs capable of playing AAA games like FF16," but rather "the penetration rate of PCs (including notebooks, etc.)" (I use Steam, but I don't think I can run FF16).
>And, frankly speaking, I think it's enough to just follow the trends by watching live broadcasts and the like nowadays. In fact, rather than playing the game yourself, it's often better to objectively watch how multiple streamers react to the game (e.g., how ordinary players stumble over things that you would of as "obvious") to gain a deeper understanding of the game design.
>What does it matter if you were the first to have a toy (dare I say it this way?) that is not a development machine and does not have a publicly available SDK? Rather, it's more important to have a gaming PC and have a lot of experience in development. You are making a big deal out of FF16 and dissing Steam, but the industry is the one that is preventing customers from playing the game. I'd rather not buy a console just to know how shitty it is.
>CC2 was entrusted to develop FF7R because of their knowledge of cutting edge technology and FF! ....Uh-oh?
>What does it matter if you were the first to have a toy that is not a development machine and does not have a publicly available SDK? I'd rather not buy a console just to know how shitty it is.
this
>>CC2 was entrusted to develop FF7R because of their knowledge of cutting edge technology and FF! ....Uh-oh?
Chat GPT translates better.
>I understand what this person is trying to say. It is not wrong to argue that if you aspire to enter an industry, you should make an effort to stay updated on the cutting-edge trends. However, since university students who are interested in games are directly part of the gaming demographic, it is important for industry professionals to see the results of surveys and feel a greater sense of urgency, taking the matter seriously. Instead, dismissing it with a casual remark like "young people these days" shows extreme incompetence.
>I don't understand why the CEOs of game companies fail to grasp the essence that hardware comes after the games. The quality of games they create seems questionable.
>Speaking of which, putting emphasis on hardware performance and graphics is almost the same as the outdated Inaship's foreign game supremacy mindset from about 10 to 15 years ago. It has also been proven wrong in recent years due to the indie game boom. Fuga follows that trend and can even be seen as an antithesis to what Matsuyama is saying.
>It seems that there is no awareness whatsoever of the fact that the era of game consoles is gradually coming to an end in Japan. Especially if I have the intention to compete globally, Steam is 100 times more important than something like the PS5. Of course, it's ideal to experience everything, but it's definitely not a prerequisite. I have been in the game industry for quite a while, and not only myself but also the people around me don't own all the gaming platforms. There used to be more in the past, but now both the PS and Xbox are essentially PCs, and the multi-platform adoption rate has significantly increased, so it's okay even if you don't have them. If you really want to see FF16 early, you can simply watch gameplay videos on YouTube.
>Speaking of which, putting emphasis on hardware performance and graphics is almost the same as the outdated Inaship's foreign game supremacy mindset from about 10 to 15 years ago. It has also been proven wrong in recent years due to the indie game boom. Fuga follows that trend and can even be seen as an antithesis to what Matsuyama is saying.
Correct, the thing that has changed is the scope/size of the games to be large and huge along with realism being a thing. This effects quality when it goes too far and it has lead to awful releases. Nowadays i would even say we have reached peak of graphics and we need to go back a bit into more story and gameplay mechanics again as an important. As for the Indie Boom i think it's a response to how bad the AAA industry is and also AA is beginning to pop up slowly again as well because of people just tiring out of the AAA scene.
Who or what is Inaship?
>I'm also involved in the industry (not in development, though), and I've purchased 20 new games just this year, so I consider myself part of the target audience from an industry perspective. However, I don't own a PS5, and I haven't felt the desire to have one until now. In fact, I even have a sense of aversion towards Sony's policies (such as the censorship of certain expressions like the □X button, Japan Studio, and the disappointing art design of the Demon's Remake without involvement from FromSoftware).
>The act of creating games that require high-spec machines itself could be seen as limiting the potential market share of the game.
>To be honest, if you're just following trends, it feels like you can do enough by simply watching game livestreams. In fact, rather than playing the games yourself, observing how multiple streamers react to the game (such as seeing ordinary players stumble upon things that you would consider "obvious") can often deepen your understanding of game design.
>What does it matter if you were one of the first to have a toy (using that term deliberately) that isn't a development kit or has an SDK publicly available? It's much more important whether you have a gaming PC and solid development experience. They're criticizing Steam while hyping up FF16, but it's actually the industry itself that's not allowing customers to play the game. It's better not to buy a console just to experience its shittiness firsthand.
>>It seems that they are completely unaware that the era of video game consoles is finally coming to an end in Japan. Steam is 100 times more important than PS5, especially if you want to compete globally. It's not a bad thing to have access to all of them, but it's not a requirement by any means.
Dude is totally right. Consoles are on the way out. Why would you buy one when you can build a PC and have a backlog of titles that don't want you to spend $60 for better graphics in a year?
How did it come to the point where Sony is universaly hated in Japan?
PS5 doesn't offer anything more than PC. Use a controller on PC and bang, you essentially have PS5.
I buy on ps5 then pirate it later on steam. PC never funds these games so I dont give them my money. I dont do the same for switch games. I just emulate all of that.
>I pirate it on Steam
What are you on about moron
Sony dont fund them either unless it's for buying exclusivity.
well duh
why would they fund games if they get nothing in return
do you think nintendo funds multiplats
>man wasteful with his money is partially(?) illiterate
>more at eleven!
it's the company's job to make people want the products, if they can't get people who want to make video games their lives excited then that's their problem
>It may be a harsh opinion, but I can't help but think that people with such a "slow sense" are not enough people to fight at the forefront of the game industry.
Holy shit he is delusional. No wonder his company is borderline defunct.
RIP CC2.
It's not about not having a PS5, specifically, you morons. It's about not having that appetite for and exposure to the new ideas out there. They should also want the Switch 2 and the fricking Ouya or whatever because they should be hungry for the videogames industry at large. It'd be like wanting to be a filmmaker and never going to the theater because you have Netflix.
There's no new ideas on PS5
>PS5
>new ideas
What are these new ideas on the ps5?
Nintendo is the only one pushing gimmicks and everything tech-related is going to be on PC first.
See the SSD which is an old tech on PC but was marketed as new and revolutionnary on PS5
DA POWAH OF THE SSD
IT'S GOING TO MAKE GAMES RUN 300 FASTER, SONY IS REVOLUTIONIZING GAMING
AHAHAAHAHAHAH
>DirectDraw
>Fricks up I'M MOVING SHIT WITH MY FRICKING MIND's port
Cerny's Magical Black tech kills the Magical Black. Many such cases.
>See the SSD which is an old tech on PC
This. I was confused when consolecucks were acting like this was something new. Even my old PC has an SSD that was installed way before the new console gen.
>Have a friend who works as a programmer
>He falls for the POWA OF SSD! marketing campaign
>He pulls some pants on head moronic mental gymnastics to justify why he didn't get tricked by it, saying that the PS5 had an OS that was built around it has special hardware to take the load off asset streaming off the CPUs shoulders
>Falls for the Ratchet devs saying that it would be impossible to make their game on PC thanks to "portals" or whatever
90% of the PS5 exclusives are about to come to PC now and my friend finally snapped out of his moronation, I have no fricking clue how he can be tech-savvy and smart enough to be a fairly successful programmer but at the same time fall for marketing bullshit so fricking obvious that even my 99IQ ass can see straight through it
Intelligence =/= Smarts
I've known people wholly dedicated to their profession and with great thought process, who don't know how to boil a fricking egg and are brand loyal to fast food chains.
This guy is a fricking moron, and his students do a better job at keeping up with the news.
>most of them have machines that have high number of exclusive games that are found nowhere else (switch and phone, yeah, whatever, let's throw gachaBlack folk a bone and call them a gaming platform).
>most of them have platform that has all the actually new games, and not just Call of Quest XVIII that is mechanically same as games all the way back on NES
>they make a proper assumption that it's dumb to buy console that has little to no exclusives
>This is what the forefront of gaming looks like
I like how their only original series is a stupid 2D tank game that could have been done on SNES.
it's typical jap mentality, they preach as if they know everything but their past performance doesn't line up
2d side-scrolling tank game, wow such cutting edge tech.
and then you check what games were on PS5
>1 remaster
>1 fighting game flop
>2 2D games
It sold enough to break even with Fuga. Fuga 2 is apparently much greater. The only irony is though that because Fuga broke even it was unknown if they would do Fuga2 and it took Microsoft's Gamepass to give them enough money to create the second game.
it's actually 2 remasters, the jojo came originally came out on PS3
Looked at the DBZ game, it actually has nice scale and some destructibles(but not impressive) and a fluid switch to character faces.
>PC 0%
Oh no no
you know ps5 is a flop when even the japanese don't want it
Believe me just check for the Famitsu Weeklies. Literally PS5 is selling like shit overall and Switch is dominating heavily. In Europe even PS5 is losing ground as well and going into PS3 territory. America it's basically a similar story. Switch has games and churns them out consistently. PS5 does not.
At the moment the Switch is the family machine, teenage boys move to PC to play "mature" genres, casuals filter into the phone market. Consoles need to be family machines (couch co-op, casual friendly, lots of PG rated games) to continue selling, in the sixth and seventh gen they could cater to the hardcore and the family by making the consoles multimedia, the son could play CoD while the parents use it as a DVD player, there's just no market for that with Smart TVs, Chromecasts etc. now. No one has a use for a console anymore to do anything else except play games. PCs still have uses outside of games which is why the audience has been growing so much since the 10's, when you're buying a new PC might as well spend a couple hundred extra and skip buying a console
I can agree. The one thing many leave out funny enough is Japan is mobile/handheld centric because their country is Train Centric along with walking a lot to get from place to place or to eat and buy groceries and come back home. This is why they love handhelds especially Switch and Mobile devices because they can play, then put it on sleep mode, do what they need to do then go back on the train and head back home and play more games. As for PC the main reason is because it's basically because there is multiple uses for obvious reasons and people are asking themselves why should they get a PS5 when it will come to PC anyways and it's always the more superior version with tons of customizable options. They are not wrong and they spend more to get it even if it is premium.
I mean can you blame them? From their marketing in recent years, It's like Sony are openly hating them Japs and mocked those who bought Playstation in the first place.
Where can I get a PS5 devkit? Not that I want to or can make games, just want it to play PS5 games with better thermals
You ask Sony for one.
They recently threatened AKB to not give them the devkit for the PS6 if they were bought by Microsoft
Based
PC is the future
Only dumb boomers like this moron think otherwise
Damn. The 2chan thread is absolutely slamming him.
>あーまたイキったこと言ってるのね 過去に任天堂叩きやったり、はちまとズブズブだったり ゲーム業界向いてないんじゃねえのこのハゲ
>Oh... He's talking nonsense again. He's slammed Nintendo in the past. This baldy is the one not suited for the games industry.
Basic consensus is "he's in no position to be talking" and "what a weird thing to say".
>https://may.2chan.net/b/res/1111377656.htm
>最前線で働こうとしてる若者が正しくPS5は最前線にいないと評価してるだけの話
>It's just that the young people trying to work on the front line correctly assess that PS5 is not on said front line.
It's disturbing that Steam is used interchangeably for PC.
Even if we get rid of consoles, consumers will still be braindead.
Makes sense there's actually no good exclusives on the PS5 right now (maybe Demon's Souls, but let's be real, it's not a console seller), and most exclusives these days will come to PC a year later, so if you can resist the FOMO, you have no reason to buy a PS5.
It absolutely made no sense to buy the new console generation. After years with nintendo and sony even up to the PS4 and Vita and WiiU, I took all the money that would've gone on a PS5 & Switch and peripherals and games, bought an RTX 3080 and made a PC.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that had this mentality or made this choice. A new console is probably the worst possible purchase to make right now.
>bunch of morons at game design courses are steam gays
I'm to be surprised, why?
Switch gays you mean.
PC won, it's over
>can't be helped
Every time.
Also this machine translation is so bad, holy shit.
I don't get the last tweet. Is he saying the people who wait are not worth developing for?
Mistranslation
Ah, he's probably being nationalistic about Sony. He gives out data that suggests players are slowly adopting PC but then disregard those industry doing the same.
Sony is still Japanese
Sony Playstation is not Japanese
>Sony Playstation is not Japanese
He probably doesn't hold that opinion.
That's not an opinion
It's like saying that Ubisoft is French when 90% of their staff is from Canada.
It's still part of Sony so in a grey area he could argue it's still Japanese
People use Sony and Playstation interchangeably. Do not take it personal.
https://twitter.com/Necochi_Twi/status/1673995417699368961
BARRY, WHERE IS BARRY-KUN!?
>FF16だけに関しては・・・
[...]
>物体の映像上の処理をキチンとやってるし。
>As far as FF16 is concerned...
[...]
>The game was not a success.
It's not just developers. Literally everyone told Square they were moronic for taking the moneyhat.
Yoshi-P had to beg people to buy it on PS5 despite everyone going "lol, I'll wait for Steam, frick getting a console for one title."
It's on Sony/Square completely for mismanaging their businesses.
>It's on Sony/Square completely for mismanaging their businesses.
Can agree. This is not Yoshida's fault honestly, he does not make the executive calls for what goes exclusive or not. That goes to upper management. I am sure Square Enix feels moronic right now knowing that FF16 is not doing as well as it had hoped.
>sony treats nip audience like garbage
>they don't buy their latest console
wow who would've thought
https://twitter.com/RIPKISHIDAHUMIO/status/1673899941599801344
BASED WetNip.
Guy sounds like a fricking moron. Sony and consoles in general are shit nobody cares about anymore. PC and Switch are the only things that matter because anybody that can afford one will get a PC while the Switch is the current garbagetech that holds all Nintendo games hostage. Double because they shut down eshops for other devices to force people to buy buy buy Switch shit.
what an idiot. you don't need a ps5 to play the latest games. that piece of shit only has a hand full of shitty exclusives anyway.
>TFW i read Japanese comments talking about learning to aim high and conquer the world and are making their own games.
Here i thought Japan was out of touch with their awful decisions and being with Sony. But i can see it's not the people it's the elderly boomer morons that still think it's the 90s/00's. I am pulling for the younger Japanese to make Indie Games and AA studios and to succeed in conquering the world.
Super glad that they finally woke up even though they're still stuck with smartphone. PC community in Japan has always been hidden in the shadow until Steam broke that ice.
>"They get a strange aura of authority from FF and PS"
>You see this a lot with middle-aged men
>At Switch=90%, Steam=80%, the students understand that they can cover a reasonable amount of games.
>FF isn't the fan-favorite it was among young people. Among students it's probably closer to the level of the Saturn's version of Grandia.
These japs are brutal.
Brutal yet honest. I would definitely put Persona today as what Final Fantasy used to be 25 years ago. That is because it makes great games and it's also multiplatform day one. Also he is not wrong, Steam and Switch cover a huge library and focus on games not just 1st parties, but support AA and Indie games, small studios and allow anyone to put their content on there and advertise it to the public with a promotional spot of some sort.
As a former Saturn owner did not play PS1 games until the PS2 came out I do not understand this metaphor, explain please?
Fricking destroyed. FF is becoming a boomer franchise. I'm guessing young people prioritize gameplay while millenials are still stuck in the cinematics era