>Cynthia spams Draco Meteor without suffering from its side effects
>while Lance gets punished by Hyperbeam's cooldown
Why is this allowed?
>Cynthia spams Draco Meteor without suffering from its side effects
>Cynthia spams Draco Meteor without suffering from its side effects
>while Lance gets punished by Hyperbeam's cooldown
Why is this allowed?
skill issue from lance
Skill issue my ass, back in DP and BW anime Cynthia was spamming Giga Impact and Draco Meteor like it was nothing and she did the same again against Iris. Shit's fricking rigged.
It wasn't really a skill issue. Lance's plan was to slowly wear out Gardevoir with hail, use the Normal max move to slow it down, and finish it with Hyper Beam. Lance just miscalculated how low Gardevoir's speed would have fallen.
>trying to see "strategy"
lmao, I can counter your counter
it's a popularity contest, nothing more
Diantha won because Lance is as irrelevant as her
Yeah, I know that, not to mention Diantha saw it coming. She deserves her win but Lance is not as dumb as people make him out to be. I just don't like how the anime cherry picks game mechanics.
Diantha is the 4D chess player everyone thinks Cynthia is
No one thinks Cynthia is a mass strategist, she's just terrifyingly strong.
I thought this episode made it clear, Iris actually got lucky to get that OHKO in the first fight.
So basically Diantha would clean her clock? Wouldn't doubt it, Cynthia would probably be shooting off draco meteors while Diantha sets up her next 18 moves
She wouldn't give her the chance, she has both power and speed, unlike Lance who only has power.
She's an all arounder though.
Cynthia's Garchomp moveset so far in JN anime: Dragon Claw, Scale Shot, Draco Meteor. She's fricked if she faced Diantha in the semis, instead Lance had to deal with her.
>semis
First round*
Not really, if we consider she has the same team as the game then she can cover it using Spiritomb or Lucario, there is also Kommo-o.
Masters 8 always comes down from Ace vs Ace. Mega Gardie stomps Mega Chomp.
You never know, her last move could be poison jab or iron head.
Gardevoir cucks Chomp out of her signature moves, it's like fighting a cripple. Lance cannot get close that is why he had to stall with D-Max because Diantha is spamming Shadow balls and Moonblasts. Cynthia is fricked.
Whatever you say bro, unless you show me proof then anything could happen, it's up to the writers.
You don't win a boxing match with only one limb.
Urfquaek
Don't know why people keep writing off Lance just because narrowly lost to a Champion with the complete type advantage and dual screens for boosted bulk.
Cynthia's got speed and power sure, but Lance has bulk and power. His Dragonite's a monster - it took Blizzard and Rock Slide, two Mega Moonblasts and stayed on its feet without getting pushed back at all. Literally the best reaction Diantha got was it literally taking one step backwards IN THE MIDDLE OF THE Blizzard.
It also ate the Rock Slide without moving, meanwhile its Twister went through the screens and still KO'd Aurorus with no type advantage.
Excadrill took a lot of hits from Gastrodon in the rain so its pretty bulky too, but honestly unless Steven's Metagross tanks 10 Million Volts Lance's Pokemon have the best bulk feats in the tournament.
Cynthia and Lance seem to prioritize offense, but Cynthia comes off as a lot more brutal and breakneck. I don't think you can play slowly against her.
Diantha mixes offense, defense and status condition though. It's why she's literally so strong. Cynthia doesn't know the game enough, she just almost got beat by Iris with a base Haxorus
>So basically Diantha would clean her clock?
no
>Cynthia is the strongest all rounder, she prefers to let her opponent’s move first and can adapt to any situation
>Cynthia is referred to be the “strongest Dragon-type user”
Would Diantha be able to survive 18 moves to implement her stategy is the question.
If she wouldn't survive 18 moves, she wouldn't strategize those 18 moves in the first place anon. Literally one reflect and light screen like she did in Lance battle and she claps Cynthia like a bug
Her Garchomp has Brick Break in some games.
Diantha would beat her. Mega Gardevoir hard counters Mega Garchomp. It can't get away with spamming draco meteors.
>use the Normal max move to slow it down
shame the anime didnt really give a shit about actually applying boosts like that, it tends to ignore a lot of the max move effects
What do you expect? Cynthia is literally the last member of some special snowflake bloodline of demigods
Hot girl privilege plus
you don't get to be champion of the pokemon league without knowing how to spam FULL RESTORES
Pussy Pass applies to Pokemon moves too
This. Women live life on Easy Mode. even fictional women.
incel moment
Special attack loss is less bad than the cooldown of Hyper Beam, the boost from mega evolution likely negated the attack drop, I know that's not how it works in the games but the anime is a different beast.
Doesn't really add up with stuff like that before. I remember when May's Combusken learned Overheat she spammed it to the point to where it almost lost her a contest due to the special attack drops.
>using new Dark/Dragon Pokemon against person with fairy main pokemon
>using dragon max move on a fairy type
moronic
No way. Don’t tell me Lance actually did that shit. Did it land?
Lance used the Dragon max move to stop Gardevoir's Shadow Ball.
Hydreigon knew Flash Cannon in order to stop Gardevoir.
I don’t know if I should be upset at the use of a MAX move to cancel a normal move, or the fact that the Gardevoir was commanded to use an ineffective move against a Pokémon it has a massive type advantage again.
Leon also used a Max move to block Chesnaught's Pin Missile.
I am starting to believe the writers do this shit just to piss people off
Shadow ball was for Dragonite.
>Shadow Ball
>against Hydreigon
huh?
Lance dynamaxed Dragonite. The shadow ball was for Dragonite. Hydreigon got cleared pretty quickly with Moonblast.
it's funny how things would look different if he used CHARIZARD
>giving a shit about the anime
>the same anime where electric attacks effect ground types
>Comparing a move that decreases sp.atk with a move that makes you unable to move
You're an idiot.
Have you seen her Chomp's Draco Meteor? It's even stronger than the last one.
>inb4 mega evolution buff
No, it should still be weaker.
Lance didn’t use the sprinkler system, that’s his problem.
Garchomp was holding a white herb.
>Lance actually laid out a gameplan to clutch a win
>while Cynthia just spams Draco Meteor
But apparently Lance is the UNGA BUNGA.
Yeah, let's just ignore the other two fights.
Stop being a sore loser Lance.
Her unga bunga was STAB.
Lance is just too famous for Hyper Beam'ing everywhere so it's no surprise it finally bit him in the ass.
Bringing in Hydreigon to fight fricking Gardevoir is extremely moronic. I don't care if you teach that shit Flash Cannon. Still dumb as hell.
He should have brought in a Duralodon or a Garchomp or something instead.
Maybe even a Charizard.
Lance please
Jeez, you lost already so stop being such sore losers.
There is a new dragon master in town and it's definitely not Lance.
>butthurt Irispedos falseflagging as Dianthagays, trying to pretend Diantha has a snowballs chance vs Cynthia
Girl privileges
>C-Cynthia would still win despite 3/4 of Garchomp's moves get rendered useless
>I-I'm sure Poison Jab would save he-
Lance had to face his worst possible opponent while Cynthia gets a free win from Iris who has no access to regional gimmicks.
A pep talk is a gimmick now?
cope
>"This is our final attack."
She shouldn't have said a death flag line like that, bruh.
this
>A pep talk
moron
Is Anabel's psychic powers a gimmick too? Gardevoir can read Diantha's mind just by looking at her? Is that a gimmick? Pokemon having deep bonds with their trainers has always been a thing.
type disadvantage has never mattered in the anime .. or it made the underdog one win
Cynthia has higher portrayal than Diantha, so she wins
Getting a free win from a kid who don't use a regional gimmick is sure an accomplishment.
the kid at least defeated 1 regional champion (unlike Lance)
And Cynthia defeated Iris easier than Diantha defeated Lance
She is also fighting MC Ash instead of npc Leon .. portrayal
>don't use a regional gimmick
regional? no
a unique one similar to Battle Bond that only she can use in the entire world?
>the kid at least defeated 1 regional champion (unlike Lance)
And who did Cynthia defeat to become the champion of Sinnoh? This shit is irrelevant.
>And Cynthia defeated Iris easier than Diantha defeated Lance
Simply because Lance is a stronger opponent and can use a regional gimmick.
>She is also fighting MC Ash instead of NPC Leon .. portrayal
Oh no, she's facing a plot armored opponent too.
>a unique one similar to Battle Bond that only she can use in the entire world?
See
As long as Haxorus doesn't turn into something like Ash-Grenjnja it's basically nothing.
>literal coping babble
Cope, Diantha has an edge over Cynthia. That's just what I'm saying. I root for no one.
>doesnt matter
>doesnt count
How make arguments that actually matter, dipshit? Is it really hard to accept the fact Diantha has an edge over Cynthia? Because I wouldn't care if you say Steven has higher odds to win if he was up against Diantha.
How about*
>Oh no, she's facing a plot armored opponent too.
Plot armor or not, she will lose to Ash which means Ash is stronger than Cynthia.
Ash is the strongest in the world
And Leon defeats anyone not named Satoshi. What's your point?
Lance won the E4 Cup, so he cleared out the entire Kanto Elite Four, won the Pokemon World Tournament in Driftveil (where other Champions probably competed) and was number 2 in the last season of the PWC, which definitely had Champions.
His Gyarados also power clashed against Kyogre and he did more to stop Team Aqua and Magma than the rest of Hoenn, including Steven. He's got feats and accomplishments coming out of his eyes.
Kanto league is a joke.
>Lance won the E4 Cup, so he cleared out the entire Kanto Elite Four
but no champion
>where other Champions probably competed
headcanon .. thats what PWC is for
>definitely had Champions.
headcanon .. if there were all other champions then he definitely would not have been in the finals, kek. Seems like it was only him and Leon last season
Fact is Lance has never confirmed to have beaten any champion or champion-tier opponent, while Iris beat Alder at least
coping hard, Diantha claps easily
>Lance had to face his worst possible opponent while Cynthia gets a free win from Iris who has no access to regional gimmicks
This.
Cynthia is outright stated to be the strongest dragon user. That by default puts her above Diantha and Leon who are both dragon users themselves
Ash is a stronger dragon user then her.
>Cynthia is outright stated to be the strongest dragon user.
But she isn't the number 1.
>Cynthia is outright stated to be the strongest dragon user.
Somewhere, Lance is crying right now.
Lance straight up left the moment he lost. The man couldn't handle the embarrassment.
>Cynthia is outright stated to be the strongest dragon user. That by default puts her above Diantha and Leon who are both dragon users themselves
Are you rerarded? That's not what dragon user means. Leon and Diantha are not dragon users.
>implying charizard is a dragon
Dragapult is
>Hax gets confused from outrage
Hyper Beam's cooldown consumes a turn and stops the mon from doing anything while Draco Meteor just reduces stats (the mon can still move and attack).
Two different things.
This just confirms that Diantha is stronger than Cynthia
Waifugay writers.
Why is Lance so disrespected despite being a KANTOOOO character? Even irl he doesn't have seemingly any support from the nostalgiagays
Lance has never been the true pinnacle in either Kanto or Johto, there's always someone waiting in the wings that upstages him as the game's big finale. In gen 1 its Blue, in gen 2 its Red/the entire Kanto Region's gym leaders
He's the oldest character here, so younger viewers likely won't care. He's also overshadowed by Red in both GSC and HGSS for anyone who is familiar with those games.
Gardevoir > Garchomp
Why the frick mods spoilered OP?
This thread is making me hope Diantha gives Cynthia a beatdown, and I don't even really like either character
a friend and I had this argument literally a few hours ago, so we settled to use two scenarios to reach the most concise outcome of Cynthoa's MegaChomp vs Diantha's MeGardevoir
given that we agreed that the anime does whatever it wants and stats and hard numbers dosnt exist there we went for two scenarios:
scenario A:
>Game Cynthia vs Game Diantha
and for scenario B we went for the middle ground:
>Anime Moveset + Game Stats Cynthia vs Anime Moveset + Game Stats Diantha
for stats we settled for the stats datamined from their latest appearence, im this case, XY Champion Diantha vs BDSP second rematch Champion Cynthia.
for the movesets we used the latest used moves from the anime.
then we plasted the numbers on showdown's calculator and these are the results for each scenario:
A)
the total speed of each mon (275 for Chomp and 173 for Garde) show that Mega Garchomp goes first and can guarantee a OHKO via either Earthquake and Poison Jab, meanwhile, M.Garde just offers a guaranteed 2HKO via Moonblast IF she survives for X reason.
B)
similar to the precious scenario M.Chomp goes first, but this time she doesnt have access to either Poison Jab or EQ, instead she relies on Stone Edge for a guaranteed* 2HKO, M.Garde is literally the same here so she cant kill the chomp unless she manages to pull a critical hit
The real question is how fricked Cynthia and Diantha would be against Steven.
His mega is too fast for Mega Garchomp and resists all its ranged moves and Draco Meteor spam, and too sturdy for Gardevoir, plus too fast for Shadow Ball. It also has Psychic so it could just immobilize Garchomp, send it flying or disrupt its Draco Meteor like Diantha did to Flash Cannon.
It also has Tough Claws so the screens aren't gonna be able to reduce its power as much. And its sturdier than both their aces.
Main issue with Ash battling Steven is we don't get Cynthia VS Steven.
None of that matters in the anime.
All this thread is illustrating is that the champions are all pretty equivalent and boil down to matchups barring Ash who will prove he can beat Steven, Cynthia and potentially Leon along with beating Iris and being better than Alain here and Leon who is treated as his own tier.
Anon don't think logically, if you do we can't argue for our headcanon like morons.
Imagine if Ash loses to Steven and spends the rest of the tournament cheering from the stands and talking sometimes lmao
That'd be my dream
> -2 0 SpA Garchomp-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Haxorus: 218-260 (74.4 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
morons. Hyper beam vs Aurorus is worse than -4 DM against Haxorus
>0- SpA Mold Breaker Haxorus Dragon Pulse vs. 0 HP / 4- SpD Garchomp-Mega: 128-152 (35.8 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>252 Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Psycho Cut vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp-Mega: 74-88 (20.7 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
>>"0+ SpA Garchomp-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Haxorus: 476-564 (162.4 - 192.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO"
THE STATS DONT LIE ANON
Funny how morons who say "muh draco meteor has a game mechanic that makes it worse after repeated uses" but at the same time they conveniently ignore the calcs