>D-tier summon is the main one for XVI
why?
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>D-tier summon is the main one for XVI
>D-tier summon is the main one for XVI
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D-tier but like the third most Iconic Summon in FF next to Shiva and Bahamut.
My favourite summons were odin, bahamut, alexander, and knights of the round.
Knights of the round were kind of the main guys from FFXV so they cant be in this game but it makes sense.
My favorite Summons are Leviathan, Titan, and Yojimbo.
I'm not enough of a dumbass to believe they are more iconic than fricking Ifrit.
>My favorite Summons are Leviathan, Titan, and Yojimbo.
Tasteful.
>I'm not enough of a dumbass to believe they are more iconic than fricking Ifrit.
Thats the difference between you and me. Im moronic. Odin is way cooler than ifrit. I never really liked ifrit at all.
Cooler does not equal iconic.
>Knights of the Round
>XV
It wasn't even an actual fricking summon that Noctis, or the player could use. It's used ONE time for a fricking cinematic attack on the final boss to end the game, and it was kind of lame.
that is a summon more than anything in ff16 is a summon
That is literally one of the only good parts of XV stop being a homosexual.
>noctis summons them
>they do the attack
>its the climax of the game
how isn't it a summon you frick? every summon in real FFs are just cutscene attacks
You don't get it, it's kind of a running joke in SE as to how long the Knights of the Round summon is
All of FFXV is getting the last knight for the summon (Regius) with the others so that it can kill Noctis
the entire game is a 40H Knights of the Round summon
It's a pretty mid game but hey, at least I got a free copy for shilling it at Sony's request.
Why are you so fricking mad kek
He's a name gay. He craves attention. No matter what he says it's wrong. even if it's factually correct. Should be treated like he doesn't exists so you can starve him of his much undeserved attention.
Margrace-kun's trip was compromised so everyone larps as him. Disregard whatever he says on that tripcode.
Thanks for the heads up, Margrace-kun, now go back to sucking your dad's dick or whatever it is tripgays do in their spare time.
Who cares, Margrace-kun is a fricking loser
classic Black person moment
hahahaha its really fun to larp as this homosexual
password is #Chad btw
test
lmao. he's a moron
Ifrit is cool and feels like the most MC of the main summons.
Eh, you could argue the same vibe from Bahamut, Shiva, Odin, and maybe Alexander.
Bahamut, Odin and Alexander are all too legendary, Ifrit, Shiva and Ramuh are the early game trinity. Of those 3 Ifrit is the most main charactery, he's the fire elemental, he's got big str, he's edgy in a classical hero way. Shiva is a girl and Ramuh is an old man, they're supporting cast material.
>Odin and maybe Alexander
>generally acquired late into the games they are present.
Nah. Bahamut is like the poster boy for summons. Shiva and Ifrit are in most of the games as the first summons your acquire.
Ramuh has higher recognition than Odin and Alexander.
Plus fire is pretty common as a heroic Element. Unless you're this guy
Shaman King to this day is still the only fricking show of any kind where the main character's element affinity was earth instead of fire or wind.
Have yet to find one with water. Water is almost always the love interest.
>Have yet to find one with water
Technically Tanjirou but he changes later on in the series
>Start with water
>End with sun
Tanjiro's element is hydrogen.
>Shaman King to this day is still the only fricking show of any kind where the main character's element affinity was earth instead of fire or wind.
In the 3 Golden Sun games the MC is always the earth adept
Fire is pretty common as a villainous element too.
>feels like the most MC of the main summons.
Uh, no. That would be this fricker. Ifrit is the kind of summon that would belong to a villain.
>odin
>darkness
>death
No MC would use Odin unless it was versus 13 kek
Squall uses him, but he gets replaced by Gilgamesh, who is way better.
Odin never felt like a MC main summon even when he was one. He was always a midgame one. Ifrit was like, one of the starter pokemon and though the game is shit, I am happy he got the main summon treatment for once.
>instadeath summon
>effectively useless in almost every game besides the one where he literally is the MC's summon
>literally jobs to the rival character in VIII
Funny, Ifrit is literally the appearance of the main villain at one point in FF16
Nah, Ifrit is a jobber-tier villain. FFXV AND XVI trying to make him this iconic summon is bizarre.
ifrit is cool tho
i clapped when i saw him
I remember reading somewhere that the dev team felt sorry for him.
After hearing about Ifrit tried to be a good guy but was condemned to be the devil, alongside Ardyn, in FFXV I would feel sorry for him as well
Ardyn's a fricking douchebag, though. No one likes him.
he's more beloved than anyone
Ifrit feels like the starter Pokemon of Final Fantasy.
>Ifrit
>D tier
b***h fricking please.
I've only ever played FFXIII-2 and Brave Exvius, is this a good entry to jump back into?
Looks that way yeah
>D-tier
Ifrit has been part of the main three since FF7.
You mean since III. It's one of the first three you learn as a summoner in III. Not counting the one your class starts with. In 4 Rydia shows up as an adult with Ifrit, Shiva, and Ramuh in tow. He's one of the first summons you get in V and has special dialog with Ramuh if you have him before Ifrit's fight. Also one of the first few Espers you get in VI.
Ifrit is pretty much they staple of Final Fantasy when it comes to summons.
He's the first fricking GF you get in FF8 besides the 2 you start with for fricks sake.
Most telling, he's the first primal you fight in XIV. It's clear Yoshi P also thinks he's an eikonic staple of Final Fantasy, and his opinion is the most important one. Guy has good taste.
>Most telling, he's the first primal you fight in XIV
Ifrit may be the first you fight in ARR, but Bahamut is the first one new players are exposed to.
Because he destroys the world. And you want to main character to be a host for that?
>And you want to main character to be a host for that?
Yes
Too bad. Like this anon said
Bahamut is earned.
As opposed to the main character being host to a monster that tries to brutally murder his beloved little brother?
Who gets Ramuh before Ifrit?
you could get Ramuth before Ifrit in 5?
I always get the two mixed up. I forget if the conversation happens between the two if it was during the book fight with Ifrit if you have ramuh with you or if it's when you fight Ramuh if you had Ifrit.
Console limitations, a tale as old as gaming itself.
Bahamut always felt like the "protagonist summon" to me. Idk kind of always felt hes meant to feel like one of the strongest ones.
Agreed
>Bahamut always felt like the "protagonist summon" to me.
agreed, then XV decided to make him the real bad guy in some fricking DLC
>Also one of the first few Espers you get in VI.
and like one of the only ones that talks with the party, somewhat
Bahamut traditionally challenges you to a fight to prove yourself worthy of summoning him. In terms of anime storytelling, he's not the power the protagonist starts with, he's the power they unlock right before fighting the main villain.
I really like Ifrit especially in FFX where he gently holds Yuna and puts her down.
He's always been one of my favorite summons.
This version of Ifrit fricks Shiva though, so he's a chad.
Ifrit and Shiva were always either bitter rivals or longing for each other.
How do you guys prefer your Ifrit?
Some buff human looking dude with horns?
Some kind of mammalian creature akin to a dog or big cat?
Some kind of fricking lizard thing?
Female
Demon dog like in XVI is great. Anything but pic related really.
so that's what XV's Ifrit looks like once you remove all the particle effects and in proper lighting since you fight him in a dark unlit city and chipping away at his ankle for like 15 minutes
XV had some kino summon scenes, not gonna lie
why is ifrit jumping on the swords and dancing around instead of just looking up and dodging like a normal person
>why is ifrit jumping on the swords and dancing around instead of just looking up and dodging like a normal person
because that hack Tabata wanted to make it look epic
well it looks silly, especially the jumping on the swords bit
I like FFX and FF14 Ifrit.
they actually missed the chance of making use of both types of ifrit, perhaps in the fight with Bahamut, when Clive and Joshua fused, they should've changed Ifrit into an humanoid form with phoenix wings, but oh well.
A mix of goat and human like features. Generally Spartan in appearance. Spouting flames from it's head, back, arms, and legs.
FF14 has two Ifrits and I like them both
Cute girl version.
FF8's Ifrit = Best Ifrit.
8 codified a lot of the design philosophy, but is themed after a lion-man. FFX refines the idea by making it look like a hellhound, adorned with israeliteelry and finery. He looks savage, with a snarling canine snout, but with a noble aspect which shows you there's more to him than just beasthood. He's a fantastic play off Valefor, all grace and elegance, as a loyal and steadfast hound for Yuna.
7 is a badass dude (and similar to previous games)
8 and 10 are similar
9... WTF is that digimon
11 is a bit too Diablo-y but passes
14 is really beastly and cool looking
15 WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
>15 WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
All the XV summons except Bahamut are styled with ancient greek/roman art in mind, and so is the lore behind the whole pantheon
I think he could've easily been presented like this for the parts where he interacts with Shiva, but also have a beastly more classic form for the parts where he's seriously fighting
that would've saved it, but to be h, I didn't think he looked off in the moment, mostly because of all the particle effects
here's 16
I don't know about this one, feels like you could extend the muzzle a bit, add some wings, and rename it bahamut
Looks cool but doesn't feel like FF or Ifrit at all
So basically, perfectly suited for 16
>doesn't feel like FF
What a nothing statement. The variety in FF games, from style to aesthetic to setting, is so drastic between each entry. Intentionally so.
>Intentionally so.
There's a pretty consistent throughline until 7 when they started with a wacky concept and pared off pretty much every established convention in development.
The pretty consistent throughline is that they were pixels and turn-based, kind of, before 7. They still had a huge variety in setting, focus, and gameplay. Whether it's introducing shit like the job system, summons, characters with unique mechanics, rotating parties, the skill-based leveling of FF2, actually going to mana instead of Casts Per Day in FF1, etc. And, yes, you're correct, it got even MORE varied after 7, where you start having each game become wildly different from the last, with a couple even ending up as fricking MMOs.
The gulf between FF7 and FF12 is enormous in pretty much every single possible aspect. Whether it's setting, aesthetic, gameplay mechanics, and even tone.
>Netflix'n'chill
I have no idea what this means.
Personally, I agree and don't care for sex scenes and shit in my media, but accusing Yankees of it is moronic when the meme is that Americans are violently repulsed by any sexuality being present in their hyper-violent media.
Eat a dick, moron.
don't forget how he was the one who betrayed the summons in ffxv
>don't forget how he was the one who betrayed the summons in ffxv
that was retconned into being a noble deed in the Ardyn DLC
Since this is the discussion thread what eikon abilities seem the best
The guy hasn't fully upgraded or unlocked all his abilities. He hasn't maxed out his Odin upgrade to get the level 5 Zantetsuken.
Well, the game comes out tomorrow so we'll see which abilities are the best.
Odin was always my favorite summon personally, but I think all the summons are neat in their own way. Final Fantasy Unlimited is underrated because the MC fights solely with summons, also had a good English dub and OST.
I’m more disappointed that they didn’t put Yojimbo in the game. A move style where you give up health/money for stronger attacks
he's the usually the first summon so naturally he's the protagonist
I'd love to see Yojimbo in FFXVI, but I doubt we will. I don't think they put every summon in FFXVI despite the game revolving around summons and summons playing a critical/major theme in the game's plot.
I've been staying away from spoilers for the most part, I think the only summons I've personally seen from trailers and tidbits is Shiva, Garuda, Bahamut, Odin, Ramuh, Ifrit, and Phoenix. There are major summons in the FF series, but there are also lots of other summons throughout the franchise as well that aren't as well known. I figured they only wanted to focus on major summons in the game, which I guess makes sense. Summons like Shiva, Ifrit, Odin, Phoenix, and Bahamut are pretty popular/common summons through the series. Hell, we had a summon system in FFXV, though it could usually only be accessed when Noctis was close to death, but it was still neat to be able to summon them, though it was random which one you'd summon.
I miss Valefor and Ixion.
I also forgot about Titan, he's in the game as well.
The FFX summons were rad, but it seems like WoFF was the last time they got any recognition. I didn't even know Yojimbo was in Maxima until recently, I can't even find a good screenshot of him.
I actually never played WOFF, looked too cutesy and gay, not sure who the audience for it was, figured women or something. It also looked kind of like a mobile game.
It's for people who wanted pokemon with their Final fantasy. Just wish the story didn't treat the player like they just got down watching Dora the Explorer.
what do you mean. WoFF has the biggest 'that just got dark' acceleration in the entire franchise
It's a pretty good game though the humor is very hit or miss. Mostly miss. It's definitely fanservice focused though, with a few unexpected references to other Square stuff, but not a single reference to Tactics even after the Maxima update.
yojimbo is in FF14 but it was gilgamesh all along
what
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technically you also meet him in the old sb expert anon
i don't even remember the sb dungeons anymore except berdam and ala mhiggo
I can see him as an endgame boss. Not a primal, just a random really big dude.
It'd be neat if he was like an EX boss or something, or maybe something you fight for a quest at the end of the game to get a strong item/weapon? It wouldn't really make sense though because each summon has a dominant, so someone would have to be the dominant of Yojimbo, unless it's like a samurai type character.
Yeah, I don't think he'll be a dominant/eikon. But they added him as a person in XIV, they can totally do it again.
I mean, he could be his own person/summon but it wouldn't really make sense given FFXVI's lore/theme, from what I understand each summon has a dominant, though I don't know if it's actually necessary/required. I'm not sure if summons have wills of their own and can move/operate without a dominant.
>I'm not sure if summons have wills of their own and can move/operate without a dominant.
Won't spoil but the game definitely answers this question
>The game answers that
I would hope so, but thanks for not spoiling. I know the entire game has been spoiled on here already. I figured the game would explain all my questions/theories about the dominants and what not. You just have to play the game to get the answers.
The main reason he can't be in XVI is that each summon/eikon is related to a crystal, and each crystal has a 'kingdom' around it.
I'm pretty sure they already showed us all of the kingdoms, if there's a hidden one I doubt it'll be related to Yojimbo and not a more mainstream summon like Leviathan, Alex or Diablos.
>each summon/eikon is related to a crystal, and each crystal has a 'kingdom' around it.
I've been avoiding spoilers and limiting my information of the game, but I'm pretty sure there are more quite a few summons in the game, no? That's a lot of kingdoms. I think in FFXV there were "The six" but in FFXVI it seems like there are more than six summons, I want to say I saw at least 7-8 summons, but I figured not every summon must have a kingdom or be a major power player in the conflict.
>but I figured not every summon must have a kingdom or be a major power player in the conflict
Maybe, I'm also avoiding leaks, just got that feeling from the promotional material.
If there are additional summons added in DLCs or whatever Levi has to get in first since he is a "core" summon. Alexander is also really fricking cool as an angelic mecha thing.
I know of 8 playable summons. ifrit, the main one, is not one of them.
Having a dedicated Summoner and a bunch of power gaming mechanics for it was my favorite part of X
Also, post your favorite FF Summon design
I loved Anima
Has he ever made a comeback since FF X?
As a zombie (male) boss in one of the XIV dungeons
You already posted it. FFX Bahamut is so fricking cool it's insane.
It helps that he also has minor plot relevance in his Fayth telling Tidus the truth about being a dream
Ifrit & Shiva & Quelztacoat are classic for us FFVIIIbros.
>NO ALEXANDER
Frick I love Alexander.
Ifreeta fans.
I think the devs said ifrit is always the shitter summon so this time they wanted to give him the spotlight
Underdog trope.
That only works as a first impression, and only for people that have played previous final fantasy games. Because otherwise he looks menacing as frick and is so far above the other dominants it's not even funny
at least his summoner isn't a homosexual
Why is Odin so jacked in ff16
My favorite FFXIII's version of Odin, frankly most of the summons in FFXIII were horrible.
Have you not see his dominant, Barnabas? It's not like he's fat.
He looks like he sucks his own cum out of alien pussy. mfw this is a spoiler KEK
Frick you.
Hot and Sephiroth-pilled
Is Knights of the Round in?
Nope
Because they're trying to subvert your expectations.
it's to apologize for the fire summon in ff13 being some newcomer named after a random valkyrie
something strange about the leaks once i reread it
leaker-kun didnt once mention the fight with odin the big dude which we know is a thing because we see in the trailers the big hoof stomping down on clive
was the fight just unmemorable or something?
Ifrit is a classic. Explain Garuda to me. Put into XI because they need a wind summon. XIV is XI copypasta. Hacks behind XIV then elevates Garuda to be the equal to all the others.
What do you have against fighting garuda, anon? They did that all the way back in III.
>Garuda
Appeared as far back as FFIII. Just not as a summon. Generally always a boss you fought.
What do you propose they use instead? Lakshmi? Valefor? Another full-on bird?
Wind, water and earth are the neglected elements, and while water and earth have Leviathan and Titan, wind usually doesn't have a summon at all. Every single one has been a one-off, so unless they wanted to use Chaos: Ivalice Edition, Valefor, or Pandemona(who?) they had to either invent another one-off or pull from the recurring enemy pool instead. And since Tiamat was already reserved, it went to Garuda.
So we can all agree that the only thing XV did better than XVI is having a good villain right?
Hold your horses bro the game isn't even out yet kek.
I don't know who the villain in XVI is, but Ardyn set the bar pretty fricking low. They could say the fricking Tonberry King is the main villain, and it'd probably be better.
Ardyn was based.
2nd most underrated villain, first most underrated is Caius in XIII-2 (most successful FF villain of all time).
Prepare to be disappointed because they managed to shoehorn an antogonist that is even worse.
Frick you, King Moogle Mog is great.
why are xvi schizos such contrarian frickheads
ardyn is universally regarded as the best ff villain since sephiroth
ff16 ultima is worse than any ff or kh villain
Nah he's giga cringe fedora tipping homosexual
>he got filtered
go shill your troony alien
Getting filtered by 15 is a good thing. If I had to play that dogshit to completion I would probably an hero
and better party and exploration and dungeons and character writing and music and combat
That margrace homosexual is definitely overselling XVI. That ending was awful. I won't even get into how much of a disappointment most characters ended up being. 10/10 my ass.
Holy shit the amount of seethe asmon cause twitter nincels is amazing
What did he do
He said totk is just more botw while xvi is innovative and will win goty
How would Asmon know innovation when he's literally never played a Final Fantasy or a Japanese action game in his life lmao
He was more referring to XVI being FFs botw while totk is just iterative of botw which is true
go back
>Gamestop phones and tells me the game can be picked up thursday.
I thought it came out tomorrow?
Thursday is the 22nd anon
I wish they had hidden Eikons like Leviathan or Ravana perhaps.
Maybe in DLC.
Which game had the best designs for the reoccurring summons?
14. the only iteration it doesn't have the best of is Shiva, but comparing herto FF10's Shiva isn't fair
Return To Oblivion is pretty rad, though.
I dunno. I didn't think Ifrit was all that special, though maybe it's because I have nostalgia for his older designs. Particularly FF8.
Why don't homosexuals like you just Google the damn answer,
Ifrit is the first summon it comes to my mind, always. Ever since I first played VII on the PS1
I'd call Ifrit at minimum B tier as he's iconic to the series
D tier would be ones that only appear once or twice like sylph pr maduin
The used Ifrit as a stand-in for the burning pee that homosexuals often experience on account of poo on their phallic regions
more llike moronyn the worst and most unfinished Final Fantasy villain
go cry more on reddit, Bladestrikex
I got my hopes up for Odin because he's really cool in FFXI, but apparently Barnabas is just a psycho.
Honestly, for the ones that get any development at all (Carbuncle, Bahamut, Fenrir, Alexander, Odin, Diabolos) FFXI probably has the coolest versions of the summons.
Seriously, in one of the storylines you fight people from an "bad end" timeline where everyone got killed by monsters. But, Odin's whole thing there is giving people the power to get revenge. So everyone turns into vengeful spirits to come back, kill the monsters, and rebuild civilization.
If that isn't PEAK chuuni-kino, I don't know what is
Phoenix sucks in XI though, literally just a noisy sword for Tenzen to pull out for like 90% of it. I will grant that the rest are pretty good though
I summon the Magus Sisters and have sex with them
Your move, Seymour Guado
So did the magic go away instantly after the final battle and Clive and them are now normal people?
I don't really see how they could try make more media set in that world unless they become historical fiction type of stuff.
>doesn't feel like ff something
The entire point if the series is that its ever changing.
Yet FF wasn't Netflix'n'chill garbage for sex-obsessed yankees until FF16. I know you're desperate to have that crap accepted, but this is a bad faith argument.
I'm trans btw