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  1. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    World of Light is pretty shitty, yeah. I really wish Sakurai would just give in and put Adventure mode back in the fricking series. It doesn't have to be SSE, Melee Adventure mode is more than enough for me. It's insane that they just rebranded Event mode and made it Ultimate's big main mode.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's insane that they just rebranded Event mode and made it Ultimate's big main mode.
      And didn't even capture what made it good. Event mode could be little stories rather than just "FIGHT PIKACHU WITH POKE BALLS" when they tried. Now it's just "PRETEND THIS IS THE CHARACTER YOU ACTUALLY WANTED"

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        it had unique missions rather than just custom matches

        like the yoshi event where you have to protect an egg

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Or the Luigi and Dr. Mario + Peach one where you watch yourself get your ass beat in 5 seconds.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I forgot about this event match kek

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              A lot of the later events in Melee were like that, especially that one and Pikachu & Pichu. You either hope they SD each other or fall off the stage by accident.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mainly cheesed those with Roy's counter or Ness's PK Fire spam with offstage PK Thunder chasers when there's a single enemy.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                i have PTSD from that last one with ganondorf, mewtwo, and giga bowser. I was never particularly "good" at smash because I never had anyone good to play with/against

                >get ganondorf to SD without too much trouble
                >coax mewtwo into doing the same with a bit of difficulty
                >use rest on giga bowser

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit, are you me anon?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Imagine not plugging up the controller in socket 3, doing the name entry glitch and owning Ganon, Mewtwo and Giga Bowser with Master Hand

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                the what now anon? first i'm hearing of this

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The fricking 3 metal samuses was my nightmare as a kid. Mostly because brinstar depths is ass

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                After watching speedruns of Melee events, I learned that there’s some events you can cheese even as a casual player, because the AI can be an idiot, this one included. The strat is literally roll to the far left, face inwards, and keep down smashing, the 3 Metal Samuses get launched behind you and can’t get back on. Another one is Pokémon Battle (only Pokéball summons can hurt Pikachu), just choose Fox, spam laser, and Pikachu breaks shield, you’ll get the upper hand easily.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >for a while the world record for Dino-Wrangling is literally restarting until the yoshi AI kills himself in .5 seconds
            I only ever got .53

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I really wish Sakurai would just give in and put Adventure mode
      sure, once he has a guarantee that the cutscenes don't ever make their way online

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        which is silly, KIU had a frick ton of memorable scenes

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but Smash's budget (a silly thing to consider given how much it sells) doesn't actually allow for that much in the way of cutscenes.
          The Smash team itself lacks a CGI team so they always outsource them. But the result is that they have to pick-and-choose where they spend their CG budget.
          Which is why Smash Ultimate had lots of CG trailers. My guess is Sakurai figured that if the cutscenes were going to make their way online anyways, might as well just make them part of the advertising from the get-go
          That's the other thing people don't get: Smash or Mario Kart being popular doesn't mean Nintendo blows up their budget to infinite dollars. Nintendo stays profitable by setting modest but stable budgets, even on super-popular series or projects.
          So when you see Smash Bros, don't assume that their resistance to things like story modes with lots of cutscenes is just Sakurai being obstinate (though that's certainly part of it), it's also likely just a matter of how they spend money in general
          That being said, I would have preferred Smash Run to World of Light but Smash Ultimate was very breadth > depth in content

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I would be fine with in-engine scenes that are brief like in Melee, though not as short

            Melee did have cutscenes, like The Star Fox team having lines before the second SG fight and short intros like Giant Kirby, Metal Mario Bros and Giga Bowser

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              here they are btw

              ?si=nlR1PEB7KsWevPi4

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't post that, now Sakurai will remove Story Mode from the next game

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >implying there would be a story mode at this point

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That's the other thing people don't get: Smash or Mario Kart being popular doesn't mean Nintendo blows up their budget to infinite dollars
            Citation needed for Smash Ultimate? As far as I understood it BotW was the most expensive Nintendo game at the time and cost over a 100 million dollars to make, I wouldn't be surprised if Ultimate approached those numbers.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Ultimate and Smash in general rarely ever gets close to AAA. Maybe when you factor in the cost of DLC, but vanilla Smash games are rarely super expensive and I wouldn't be surprised if they actually pared back on it, once you account for inflation

              https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2019/aug/28/masahiro-sakurais-not-much-budget-joke-had-truth-it-during-hero-reveal-stream-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
              We don't have any hard numbers but Sakurai himself has said that Smash doesn't really get a huge budget. It's why the DLC character showcases are so, well, barebones. Nintendo is not giving them the budget to put together polished showcases, and that general monetary modesty extends to the game itself.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well damn, then it is no wonder that it makes them so much money.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                What about the character showcases are low budget? They do what they need to do

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                probably that its mostly just a fairly short SSE style cutscene then a bunch of in game footage and sakurai talking about the character while playing as them in a small room.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That's the other thing people don't get: Smash or Mario Kart being popular doesn't mean Nintendo blows up their budget to infinite dollars
            Every-fricking-one knows how much of a fricking cheapskate Nintendo's management is, nothing new, their MO is cost cutting anything they can

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm 90% sure that was just a bullshit excuse, just like the localizer's "Minecraft music is too calm" covering for painfully obvious legal troubles. The actual reason we didn't get another mode like TSsE is that it's an insane amount of work that increases with every new character. The roster has more than doubled since Brawl.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >The actual reason we didn't get another mode like TSsE is that it's an insane amount of work that increases with every new character.
          This. You can even see this in the few cutscenes we do have. Characters like Cloud, Incineroar, Isabelle and Ridley for example are noticeable absent during all the cutscenes. There was no way they gonna assed to animated 69 characters so they just skimped on the the cutscenes in general.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish they had a proper classic mode instead of making arcade mode and claiming it to be classic mode. Sometimes I just want to fight the same enemies and kill master hand at the end, man.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Filtered.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I always wanted them to keep an adventure mod the same length as Melee's but add lots of branching paths like starfox so it doesn't get repetitive.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah that would be great

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No adventure mode
      >No trophies
      So what's the fricking point?

  2. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still better than Smash Tour.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Smash Tour sucked but Master and Crazy Orders were great. Smash Ultimate doesn't have a single mode you can say was good or played more than 1 time to completion then never again.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ultimates classic mode is perfect. Unique, themed routes for every character.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Only the first time. It's not like you can play it again with a different character. There's no replay value. They should have just made a mode like the 3DS Classic mode and called it Arcade mode.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            NTA, but Ultimate's classic mode is repetitive as shit. What's the point of the unique routes is 75% of the time is going to end against Master & Crazy hand? Is a waste of time honestly.

            I mean you could say that for nearly every smash bros single player mode, from all star to classic to adventure mode, especially in melee/brawl.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Smash Ultimate doesn't have a single mode you can say was good
          It has one of the best Classic modes.

          NTA, but Ultimate's classic mode is repetitive as shit. What's the point of the unique routes is 75% of the time is going to end against Master & Crazy hand? Is a waste of time honestly.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Ultimate's classic mode is repetitive as shit
            You can say this about every mode in every game.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What's the point of the unique routes is 75% of the time is going to end against Master & Crazy hand?
            They haven't been this fun to fight since Melee.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            a lot of the classic routes are pretty shit too
            for every actually neat route like ryu's you have an extremely lame one like k rool and wario's just being "fight a bunch of the heavy guys"
            wario's could have easily been a bunch of coin battles but of course they cut those out of the game like so many other things

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Diddy is trying to find out if he could be a sidekick to anyone besides DK
            >Red/Leaf is battling all of the Pokemon to be the best in Smash
            >Banjo-Kazooie are fighting the duos of Nintendo games
            Some of the "plots" are neat.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Funny enough, Diddy already proved himself in DKC2. Telling that Sakurai only took DKC into consideration, hence no Dixie Kong.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                no doubt

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              That reminds me, someone made a video concept of classic routes having unique openings. Makes me wish they did something like that.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that blew dick.
            How Sora didn't fight Dharkon and how Kazuya didn't fight Galeem (among many others) was such a missed opportunity

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          is far from perfect by the fact that you repeat the same sidecroller course for all fighters and like 90% hand bosses

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >perfect
          >Pokemon and Mother had unique bosses they could have recycled
          >plus there was one boss they could have used for all the pairs
          >everyone gets the same race to the finish
          >no other minigame

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone gets the same race to the finish
            This shit drove me nuts. You've got this nice modular block system for the mode and use it for 1 (one) stage? Total bullshit.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Rayquaza fight on a Sky Pillar background would have been kino.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          90% of end bosses for the roster are mr hand and crazy hand.

          For about 50% of the cast they are exactly the same.

          I did classic mode with all chars together with my gf and it sucked. Once you get past the first 20 characters its always master hand and crazy hand.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Smash Ultimate doesn't have a single mode you can say was good
        It has one of the best Classic modes.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Funny you say that, Ultimate literally felt like it had no single mode. World of Light was nothing but events. Compare this to other Smash games. They had more to them and Ultimate felt completely barebones. They were so focus on the competitive side, the game felt boring and nothing to do after completing it unless you're a sweaty tryhard and just go online to lose to lag.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          It was still more than what Smash 4 had. SOMEHOW.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            How so? I had more playtime on Smash 3ds than Ultimate and that's mainly due to Smash Run, a game mode that actually encourage you to play in anyway, especially with custom moves. If you mean the Wii U version, then I'll agree.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I'm talking the Wii U version. Playing Smash brothers with a circle pad and a 2-inch screen ain't happening. I tried it before and absolutely loathed it.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Being better than Smash Tour is not an accomplishment, nor a high bar to reach.

      Smash Tour sucked but Master and Crazy Orders were great. Smash Ultimate doesn't have a single mode you can say was good or played more than 1 time to completion then never again.

      Idk. I enjoyed Smash Tour. It was a really fun pace breaker with friends.
      Why do people hate it so much?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        The idea of a Smash board game isn't inherently a terrible idea but it would be better if more thought was put into designing it and it wasn't thrown together.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not Smash Run or Adventure Mode.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          smash run was great, adventure was too... I mise them

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >2014
        >Sakurai shows off Smash Run
        >Looks pretty fun, all kinds of enemies from the series to fight, even Kremlings came back and M1 of all things got the Devil Car
        >Wii U version could have the same mode or even a cooler mode
        >LOL NOPE, here's Mario Party with even more bullshit
        Pic related was also making the rounds before they showed off the Wii U version. Shit like this made people hate Sakurai, not because it wasn't real, but because Smash Tour was the main Wii U mode alongside the actual base roster.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          In fairness to Sakurai, he's actually right in not wanting to turn smash into a generic fighting game, he's just completely moronic and doesn't know what makes party modes in fighting games fun, because World of Light, Smash tour, and all the other singleplayer modes that have been since Subspace Emissary were all boring even to kids

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      On the other hand, we'll never see a revisit of smash run
      It hurts

  3. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The street fighter world tour, some boss fights and the dracula's castle section were the best parts, I wish the entire mode was like that instead of filler battles, obnoxious gimmicks and half assed mechanics.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The street fighter world tour
      That part was fricking cool, same with the DKC map.

  4. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    it had some moments but somehow it was even more of a drag than SSE

    is not hard to 100% it but man it felt like forever scrounging around the overworld just for that one spirit battle you skipped without knowing

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >need to get the light, dark, AND neutral endings
      yugh

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >all that fricking health galleem and dharkon has
        >spend like an fighting a towel and lightbulb or an extenstion cord and an eyeball
        like atleast give them a cool design but this was the moment Sakurai had a jrpg fetish with WoL being obvious about this to begin with

        classic mode too has this monotony problem
        >add new bosses and personalized classic routes
        >like 50 Master Hand/Crazy Hand final bosses anyways
        >literally EVERYONE has that boring sidescroller course

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >literally EVERYONE has that boring sidescroller course
          me and a friend binged classic mode when he got the game and that shit got old after the second time

          We learned how to maximize the credits high score too. The pink bombs give you more points per word than anything else.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            it would be cool if they gave a unique shooter credit atleast by series

            like atleast The Blue Falcon for F-Zero and Arwing for Starfox

  5. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's one of the "hope they SD themselves" fights

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I found this one way more obnoxious

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Cat and Villager
        You're not even fricking trying, Sakurai. WoL was just a big gallery of middle fingers to people who wanted in particular characters. The only ones that actually worked with the ones with Mii Costumes or Assists, but those were double middle fingers.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're lucky, you got a presence in Smash in the first place.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Just checked the wiki and I'm surprised there's nothing from Crystal Shards from what I can see.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              there's nothing from modern Kirby (anything past SS really) in the series, Sakurai hates everything in the series that he didn't make

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I see Susie, the Mage Sisters, Magolor, and the Robobot armor as stickers so the RtDL+ games are technically accounted for (along with Sectonia's FLOWERED theme for Kirby stages).

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'd rather have Ashley just not been in the game than be an Assist again. I know I'm in the minority but I don't care. Seeing her and Bomberman pop up as goddamn items isn't the "OOOH SO AWESOME" shit Sakurai thinks it is. A costume is not "in the game" and being an item isn't "in the game." Hell, the only reason people were so happy about Cuphead and Sans (besides being literal children) is the headpiece made it look like the actual character.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't settle for scraps, that anon isn't wrong.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're lucky, you got a presence in Smash in the first place.
            Yeah...

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I think he did have a spirit atleast

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mike Jones and Startropics are one of the few Nintendo IPs that have zero representation across all of Smash.
                Even Eternal Darkness has representation as a spirit, and Nintendo hasn't acknowledged that game since it was released. I mean, yeah they haven't acknowledged Startopics either, but Startopics was at least made by Nintendo, which makes it all the stranger.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                thats weird since Star Tropics was featured in the NES Mini

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed

          You're lucky, you got a presence in Smash in the first place.

          Imagine being demoted to a PNG

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >You're not even fricking trying, Sakurai.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            POGGURUSUUUUUUU

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              great taste on his part for choosing an actually cute zelda instead of gay dumb botw zelda

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's another bullshit excuse of his. The real reason is he wanted a princess that actually looked like a Princess and how Zelda usually looks.

              great taste on his part for choosing an actually cute zelda instead of gay dumb botw zelda

              This too.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              He's not wrong. Age of Calamity literally had to give her Link's abilities.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Good. Keep her out so I don't have to listen to her dying grandma voice. The fact that this fricking game doesn't even have a voice toggle is an insult. Just change the language of the whole fricking game bro. This game has zero quality of life settings that would take barely a day to implement.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              This is one take I completely agree with him on, in BOTW and TOTK she's a non-combatant who completely NEEDS Link for defense, and in AoC she commandeers the Sheikah Slate because she can't do shit on her own

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              he's right
              warriors games shoehorn bullshit skills on everyone for the sake of making them playable

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                and smash doesn't?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he says, when Smash Bros makes up moves for more than half the characters in the game.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              >"In BotW, Zelda is more focused on research than fighting. So we went with a version of Zelda that is even LESS associated with fighting!"

              I prefer her Ultimate design to BotW, so I'm fine with this, but holy shit that excuse was so stupid that they might as well have not even tried explaining it.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                They could have picked one of the Champions, any one really and that would have been okay. New Zelda rep that isn't another Link or Zelda or Ganondorf? It could have made the first pass a hit.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's more to do with his choice of Zelda being more closely associated with how she's fought in previous games than BOTW's Zelda. Which is to say it's still a slippery excuse for her with 75% of her moveset being based off of made-up magical abilities for her and the rest are Link's spells from OoT, but it's not more slippery an excuse than Zelda's original inclusion or Ganondorf being a super-heavyweight Captain Falcon clone.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair they could've adapted the Champion Powers as stand-ins for the Goddess Spells.
                >Farore's Wind > Revali's Gale
                >Din's Fire > Urbosa's Fury
                >Nayru's Love > Daruk's Protection
                But I'm glad they didn't. BotW Zelda is genuinely boring, and the only people who like her are people whose first Zelda was BotW (or TotK now).

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              who is asking for BoTW Zelda?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        the ones i found the most annoying were Guile, Pauline, Funky Kong and Dr.Wily.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the just use the sniper and is ez pz

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        good thing I got a legendary sticker by the time I got here

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >We have to save Dr. W-Willy, Megaman!

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But where IS doctor Wily?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        honestly, why couldn't they just make Dr. Wily a boss? like they already had an AT model

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          All of the interactive assist trophies could have been mini bosses. Just put health bars on them.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, they are pretty much fighters with less moves at this point

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      That one was pretty easy the cheese by equipping the big laser gun.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This one is easy with samus or any long range attacker

      and this one is wasy with DK of you spam Down+B

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This one was the filter for people who didn't have the brains to use spirits. Sniper spirit completely and utterly trivializes this fight.

  6. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Smash Run > WoL

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Smash Run needed online (would've lagged immensely on the 3DS) and customization options, like being able to select CPU level and what the final round will be.

  7. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    melee's the best one

  8. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    the good:
    it's not smash tour
    the references can be pretty clever

    the bad:
    virtually everything else about it

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I also liked the skill tree and boss battles.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Still better than Smash Tour.

      Being better than Smash Tour is not an accomplishment, nor a high bar to reach.

  9. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    shit like this was funny as hell though

    is funny how one twitter gay got the injun G&W animation removed whining like a b***h
    yet shit like this was in the game and no one batted an eye
    goes to show how these kind of gays really don't play vidya

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's not even that far into WoL, either

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's not even that far into WoL, either

      it's because twitter Black folk and gays, or anyone that complains about games don't actually play games, like holy shit all of you should know better by now

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        we all know that, is the devs that should know better

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ENTER SANDMAN

      • 9 months ago
        Llewelyn Moss

        >could've picked little mac, the actual boxxer.
        >Picks a literal monkey.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair, Donkey Kong is the only really super heavy with any focus on punching, and he was actually in Punch Out Wii. They could have used a giant Mac too, but maybe they thought that was too on the nose

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            they already used K Rool for King Hippo but he does make more sense with a bigger belly,I guess the next closest thing would be Ganondorf or Inceneroar but Inceneroar makes more sense for Super Macho Man who didn't bet a spirit battle actuallly

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          The ape suits Mike Tyson better
          Also, DK shows up in Punch Out Wii

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't there also a fight with Balrog from SF that used DK, or is this the one I'm thinking of?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Balrog used Littlemac

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right, I just remember the gimmick being supercharged punches for TAP/dash punches and thought it was DK's windup.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      ENTER SANDMAN

      Why do we hate Sakurai again?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >nerfing Snake's ass
        >only allowing his special pet Kid Icarus girl to have an upskirt
        some things can never be forgiven

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Remember when Smash was rated T for Teen?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mythra is hotter with the tights but I miss the boob window

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC the black villager skins were added later in development. In 4 and early Ultimate trailers those alts were still white.
      It's possible that event was made before then.

      ENTER SANDMAN

      This one makes sense since they're both bulky fighters and are both final bosses in Punch Out.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        they could've used a Giant Little Mac since Balrog used Little Mac given that Sandman has a different hazard but I'm glad they went with Donkey Kong anyways

  10. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly, even if it meant the game being delayed for a long while, i would still take a proper story mode.

    i know i might sound like people who say "gta 6 should have me enter every single building in the game" with no irony whatsoever, but, i mean, i think with just the right amount of time and such, a story mode with cutscenes that are on the same level as character trailers, along with maaaaybe some dialogue would be great.

    it could be like a MUGEN game come to life. something like that... anyone remember MUGEN? shit was amazing.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how long the game would have to be delayed in order to give the full base-game roster moments to shine in the story.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        And it still would've been ignored and forgotten for the multiplayer fights anyway.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. It would have been a complete fricking waste especially if some sperg leaked aa majority of the cutscenes and spoilers flooded the internet. SSBU at this point has a bigger roster than MVC2 or even some DBZ games.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone knows Subspace's story by now and it's hailed as a classic

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, forgot to mention that. i had an idea where they could maybe pick three characters to be protagonists, and sort of "sideline" the other characters, but that idea doesn't really sound any better.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        personalized classic mode was a step in the right direction, make it like pulp fiction where the story is all over the place, hell this was pretty much Kirby Super Star

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's only an issue with ultimate's gigantic roster, cut out most of the unnecessary characters and you could easily split them into groups with their own stories that intertwine at certain points. Sonic Heroes did it like that iirc.

  11. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a lot easier if you cheese it with PSI magnet

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Celebi because I can just turtle while spamming PK Thunder 2 when I'm at low %.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Stamina Battle
      >Use autoheal support spirits
      EZ game

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i did the same cheese as unlocking falco in melee, down+b for 30 mins

  12. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Finally completed my Spirit collection and this thread pops up
    I fricking love World of Light bros. It was way more than it needed to be for a Smash singleplayer mode. Favorite Spirits? Skull Kid is fun with his Lifesteal mechanic.

  13. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw Bandana Waddle Dee was my most wanted
    >he doesn't get in but he turns out to be a useful spirit you can get early

    love this homie, the battering bonus plus a support item loadout spirit was a great combo that made WoL a breeze before getting a Legendary primary spirit

  14. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just wanted an expanded Melee adventure mode.
    I didn't fricking want a bloated campaign with autistic OC enemies that only justifies itself with cutscenes.
    I didn't fricking want a nothingburger of a mode that tries to justify a lack of trophies.
    I just wanted a fun beat em up mode with lotta Nintendo and guest locations, enemies and bosses. Why can't I actually go through Dracula's castle with Luigi? You suck Dragon Quest's wiener but I can't frick up some slimes as my homie Bowser?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      this guy gets it
      >that mario sidescroller level with enemies you can bounce high off of
      >a zelda dungeon crawl
      >a metroid planet zebes escape
      >the starfox section had a cutscene with the pilots talking
      >an f-zero race to the finish
      >an ice climber ascent
      Melee adventure had the best homage in level design

      the personalized classic mode was a step in the right direction, just add adventure like levels to it and we're golden

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the personalized classic mode was a step in the right direction, just add adventure like levels to it and we're golden
        Unironically this. Classic Mode in Ultimate is a fricking blast. If they added a unique platforming stage and break the targets stage to every route it'd be absolutely perfect.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      You now remember that Sora Ltd actually did make tons of non-OC enemies for Smash Run on 3DS and never bothered to reuse them in Ultimate.
      https://www.mariowiki.com/List_of_Smash_Run_enemies

  15. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I never had an issue with it. It's got a lot and you get through it fast so you are exposed swifly to all different music, stages and characters

  16. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    since the dust has settled
    thoughts on Galeem and Dharkon?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      seemed cool in the trailer but turned out to be absolutely, 100%, positively, without-question gay and moronic

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Simple Light God Dark God trope we've seen all over. I found their boss fight fun but nothing to write home about. Theres a challenge to do their whole boss fight without getting KO'd and thats a fun challenge with Dorf or something.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      amazing how master and crazy hands are still the best "bad guys" in smash.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        everyone that comes after comes off as tryhard atleast Mastercore was cool since it was a form of Masterhand

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          That Master Dungeon or whatever the WiiU-exclusive final phase was called was horrible.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah, it didn't suit the monster phase that made core cool and is just silly contextually

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        tabuu was pretty cool

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I never did dodge his 0HKO

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      see

      >all that fricking health galleem and dharkon has
      >spend like an fighting a towel and lightbulb or an extenstion cord and an eyeball
      like atleast give them a cool design but this was the moment Sakurai had a jrpg fetish with WoL being obvious about this to begin with

      classic mode too has this monotony problem
      >add new bosses and personalized classic routes
      >like 50 Master Hand/Crazy Hand final bosses anyways
      >literally EVERYONE has that boring sidescroller course

      they suck

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tabuu was better

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      A whole lotta nothing.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      in the lore this is the autistic kid's parents getting divorced

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's fricking nothing.jpg
      The trailer/opening cutscene was kino, but then the game did absolutely nothing with them. Sakurai is still ass-blasted over the Subspace cutscenes being uploaded to Youtube, so he refuses to make in-game cutscenes. So you get disappointing single player modes and bosses because there's no sense of progression or story

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        To be fair it's not like tabbu did frick all outside of getting BTFO by Sonic

        a lot of the classic routes are pretty shit too
        for every actually neat route like ryu's you have an extremely lame one like k rool and wario's just being "fight a bunch of the heavy guys"
        wario's could have easily been a bunch of coin battles but of course they cut those out of the game like so many other things

        Literally nobody ever played coin battle ever

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I like how they're animated

  17. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    World of Light is great, and I'm glad no one in this thread is trying to pretend that Subspace Emissary was better.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I had fun with Hitstun Emmisary at the time

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, Subspace Emissary was much better.
      It also had a much cooler final boss and final boss theme.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Blue Master Xehanort (designed by Nomura) was not in any way good or interesting.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Final Boss theme
        Granted, it was cool.
        Can't agree with the rest. I remember how disappointed kid me was with TSSE. I got in thinking "Wow, can't wait to fight against the incredible pool of enemies and bosses from Nintendo games! The possibilities are endless!"
        Instead we got 20% Nintendo enemies and 80% Original forgettable enemies bullshit.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I really enjoyed Subspace right up until the game made you run all the way through a second time to wake everybody up again. I still can't hear that guitar version of the Dark World theme without cringing.

  18. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I find collecting these spirits to be more fun than collecting Pokemon. I think its the Tism bros but I fricking loved seeing all these different characters have matches set up in ways thats supposed to represent fighting the Spirit in question. Impressive too with the shear amount of Spirits on display here.

    I have all 1524 Spirits and I feel empty inside....

  19. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't mind Spirits replacing Trophies if they had some fricking text like trophies.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. "Girl From Volleyball" tells me fricking nothing about the character.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagining being the one intern tasked with plagiarizing fan wikis for lore dumps on spirits.

  20. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    oh yeah the other highlight:
    Being able to play as Master Hand even if it wasn't his full moveset, still cool to destroy all those mobs with handslaps

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      you can play as full moveset master hand in melee multiplayer.
      When this was discovered me and my siblings had fun with it

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >have to complete 99% of the fricking awful WoL to only play him in one single event
      >can't even unlock him to play it for fun side gamemodes that aren't available online
      its shit

  21. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    To this day I don't know why Warframe technically got into Smash Bros.
    Who the frick asked for this? I know it's a shitty sticker and I don't care why is this garbage in Smash? Who sucked off Sakurai for this?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      so thats what the hell that was from

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      what the frick when did warframe major story spoilers get into smash brothers?

  22. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's ok but it just lasted too long. I felt like I played it forever and never got to the end.

  23. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >waa i don't want my cutscenes to leak
    the last 2 zelda games have leaked early in their entirety, would sakurai just deep six the entire zelda franchise?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no source for this btw

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        no I was there when ToTK was leaked here, happened for Pokemom Legends of Arceus aswell

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, Sakurai claims.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          When Xenoblade 3 got leaked so did gigachad Rex. That was the first thing people saw before anyone even started the game.

  24. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 3DS mode is the best for me.

  25. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Literally refused to make a single player campaign because of Youtube videos

    Sakurai for ya.

  26. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    NASB2 sweep coming soon

  27. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    speaking of bosses

    >severely lacking in new stages for the base games
    >fricking lock potentially great new stages behind bosses
    >Ganon's tower is here... for the boss fight
    >Marx's wasteland is here... for the boss fight
    >Ancestral Steppes is here... for the Rathalos fight
    yet they did it for Dracula's Castle, the background is already here the least they can do is add battlefield or omega platforms

    honestly one of the most overlooked bullshit that went unnoticed in the smash community

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone just plays on PS2 anyways.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I never noticed.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those stages would have been so kino

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      i had the ganons tower stage from brawl vault
      *sips*
      now that was a good stage

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Would've rather Marx be playable instead of a boss.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think he's fine as a boss but I really wish there was an official stage version with this background

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          He actually has a fun moveset in Star Allies, not that Sakurai will ever acknowledge since it's a game by based Kumazaki.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're lucky, you got a presence in Smash in the first place.

            He looks noticeably off. He's not even a remotely modern design, he's just taken from Super Star.

            Fun fact: Every series that was in Smash 64 has had a stage featured in a later Smash game from a title that came out after Smash 64 except for Kirby
            >Mario: numerous
            >Yoshi: Woolly World
            >Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, DKC Returns
            >Zelda: numerous
            >Metroid: Prime, Other M
            >Star Fox: Assault
            >Pokemon: numerous
            >F-Zero: GX
            >Earthbound: Mother 3
            just a completely cucked franchise

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              but is super star ultra :^)

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's maddening how Sakurai tried to pull that for Great Cave Offensive, when
                >it's such a jackass technicality
                >it's not even true since it's blatantly visually based on the goddamn SNES version

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                such a terrible stage
                what were they thinking

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's made for casual items on 8 player madness. Once you accept that you start to see its value.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >hard to see
                >slopes result in items plummeting off-screen
                >top area's blast zone is low
                >all the lava killing at 100% or higher means no funny bouncing like in Temple
                Even with 8 players and items on, it fricking blows.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah stages that big might as well be for online modes like say smash run map

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                [...]
                It was made to justify 8 player smash. Same with Palutenas temple.

                The perfect "large-scale" Smash stage has existed for decades, I have no clue why they think anything bigger than this is good
                I've played a bunch of casual Smash with friends before and not once has anyone ever said "lets go to Great Cave Offensive"

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Temple really is THE stage to do whatever the frick you want with a bunch of bros. I also like 64's Hyrule Castle despite being simple. Even New Pork City was somehow better than Palutena's Temple and especially Great Cave Offensive.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The main thing that kept me playing on stages like New Pork City and Rumble Falls back in Brawl was the music.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Bramble Blast is a great track, but Rumble Falls has the issue of being a scrolling stage, which even back in Melee with Icicle Mountain ends up being a stage that you just have to suffer through if your character is bad at platforming.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It’s sad how on their first try they managed to make a very fun big stage to fight in, then tried it again with New Pork City, Great Cave Offensive and Palutena’s Temple but they all failed due to being massive and being hard to knock opponents out. I especially hated fighting Ness and Lucas in a Brawl Intense Difficulty Classic Mode/All Star Run because that was the only Earthbound Stage and those fights would drag out

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                the cracker launcher on super sudden death saved this stage in Brawl

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                The main elements which keep New Pork city from being another Hyrule temple are are its gimmicks: the breakable planks, and the Chimera that appears and OHKOs people. Also, roofed platforms are scarce

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >all that random hail mary of shit on the right for no reason
                they just gave the frick up
                Imagine if the stage was the city itself and not platforms in front of it

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                it wouldn't be so bad if it wans't for all that empty air space that pretty much takes the top half

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I especially hated fighting Ness and Lucas in a Brawl Intense Difficulty Classic Mode/All Star Run because that was the only Earthbound Stage and those fights would drag out
                >not breaking the wooden platform and gimping them
                Small time anon, I knew to do that back when I was playing on wii motes and didn't know what a grab or spot dodge was.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Newpork was so fricking shit, it was a part of Sakurai's dumb ass idea to force a more aerial playstyle in Brawl but it was just awful to play. Same with Hanenbow, DK arcade and others

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >me playing this stage
                >99 stock matches with 3 random npcs and items on (minus healing/foods)
                >see how much of a stock lead I could get by the end
                >do this for 2 years

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I never really thought about it but why is hyrule temple flying...

                Also what the frick is hyrule temple, isn't it based on castle...

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is the worst stage in the history of fighting games, maybe ever.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                it would be good if the killzones were based in knockback like Mishimasdojo walls and not percentages

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's still not good because the color vomit and zoom-out make it impossible to fricking see what your characters are doing
                You can literally count the pixels when its all the way out for fricks sake

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                yeah it would benefit from an individual camera, is the kind of stage that should be for online play

                imagine if CoD maps were all birds eye view so every player has to share a screen

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's close, but have you considered

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                even worse than hanenbow

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                You can at least see the characters on the screen in Pac Land.

                The map zooms out so far in GCO its unusable as a stage.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                God what a Clusterfrick

                Hyrule Temple will always be the King, all Platform Fighters should copy it

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                it's close, but have you considered

                At least you can walk in both of those.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot pic

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                This stage could have worked if it was World of Light exclusive and had a camera like the Zelda Adventure stage in Melee.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I get why they picked Halberd in Brawl because of Meta Knight. But why did the TWO new stages in Smash 4 had to be from games ALREADY represented and why are they so shitty?

                such a terrible stage
                what were they thinking

                It was made to justify 8 player smash. Same with Palutenas temple.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I remember they tried hyping it up in one of the 50 fact extravaganza video for Smash Wii U but nobody really cared.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >for Smash Wii U but nobody really cared
                Black person get the frick out of here
                the most fun I've ever had in Smash was when playing with 7 other friends/random morons.
                If Nintendo didn't made you pay for the shittiest online there is, there'd be a chance to have 8 player Smash but the online was made with a shoestring's budget.

                >but muh comp...
                i dont care, comp's for gays

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Should've specified the Kirby stage.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's made for casual items on 8 player madness. Once you accept that you start to see its value.

                Honestly that stage is too big to 8 player smash, but I do see it fun for casual fights. I wish spirits used the actual stage instead of just the FD or BF versions

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                One of the DK spirits used the actual stage from what I remember.

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the parrot one.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I get why they picked Halberd in Brawl because of Meta Knight. But why did the TWO new stages in Smash 4 had to be from games ALREADY represented and why are they so shitty?

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                the least he can do is atleast add a Kirby Air Ride stage, whether is the city or Checkered Knights

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              That’s why Sakurai needs to frick off so we can get 1 or more modern Kirby Stages

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          He looks noticeably off. He's not even a remotely modern design, he's just taken from Super Star.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          There is shit like this and the Rathalos boss arena they could've used for Stage Builder all over the game. They have all these assets they can provide to players and they just don't let them be available.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I am going to be honest, I wish the game could have made more boss characters like Andross, or maybe some DLC characters like Seth should have had a boss fight form. That being said, I agree the stages from the boss fights should have been pickable for normal gameplay.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Remember Sephiroth Challenge?
        That shit was fricking weird.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >No brawl bosses except for Duon for some reason
      >Ganon has his OoT design but his BotW music
      >The Yellow Devil is literally already in the game but isn't a boss

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Galleom's in SSBU too

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>>>>>>>>>>>no boss rush mode
      God what an absolute fricking waste this game is

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        there is a boss rush but you can only play it using sephiroth

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Were you upset that Meta Crystal wasn't a playable stage in 64? Fighting games have boss exclusive stages all the time. They're just flat anyway

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        yep, it was the first try though, also its Battlefield and Final Destination was unavailable for vs

        theres also Brawl that had bosses in rather random locations in SSE, is not the same as having an iconic location like Ganon's tower unavailable for vs

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If we got a proper Ganon's Tower stage, then we'd also need more Ganon/dorf themes. Having neither of his OoT battle themes by this point seems pretty ridiculous to me, even without a dedicated stage for him.

      And for good measure:

      (not a Ganon theme, but Dark Link was working to revive him, so close enough; it'd be even sweeter if this was done as a combo arrangement with the Z2 field enemy theme or regular boss battle theme like Great Temple/Temple)

  28. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    i dont rememebr a SINGLE thing about world of light aside from it taking so long.

  29. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    he set the bar for singleplayer so low with 4 that he was able to get away with this pile of shit in ultimate

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      is weird how badges are a better version of spirits

      spirits suck because a bunch of different one just do the same shit so is so much filler

  30. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >people always jerk off melee adventure mode as the pinnacle of smash bros single player
    >finally play it
    >it's just a linear classic mode with 4 simple as frick platform segments in between the fights

    It's cool the first couple times but it's the same thing no matter what character you choose. Maybe if there were different routes you could take it'd be better but I think that classic mode in smash 4 and ultimste are better.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      thats way it would work better with how Ultimate had personalized classic routes

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >classic mode in smash 4
      I hope you meant the 3ds version.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      The CONCEPT of Adventure Mode is good, not its execution considering Melee had one single year of development
      The idea is simple, every franchise gets a simple platforming segment representing it, some small in-engine cutscenes with the characters interacting and bantering, a simple story about the characters searching for some macguffin, like a smash ball that grants wishes or something

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >a simple story about the characters searching for some macguffin
        That's basically Playstation All-stars battle royal story mode.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, sadly PSASBR didn't have platforming segments and only had lame cutscenes for the rival characters fights, no matter how dumb and forced their rivalry was. No character interaction outside that

  31. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I miss Melee Adventure Mode, sucks that Melee was rushed, would anyone sacrifice Smash 64 to give Melee more development time?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Melee only exists because of 64.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Melee was only a thing because Smash 64 was a giant success and helped Sakurai into securing nintendo funding but the only catch was that they needed a sequel asap for the upcoming project dolphin, if anything Smash 64 suffered the most from crunch time, considering that it was a glorified skin pack mod for that dragon fighter game.

  32. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Beat WoL
    >Play again
    >Banjo-Kazooie with Giant, Boosted Attack, other OP shit
    >Everything dies in 5 seconds after a single Wonderwing

  33. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's pretty good actually, it's also actually hard on hard and you can make it even more hard depending on which spirits you choose to equip or not equip
    SSE was total ass and this is waaay better. However Ultimate is still missing something big time in single player. Classic is kinda eh and can't beat 4's perfect final boss

  34. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't go on forever. It just doesn't know when to end.

  35. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, World of Light is great if you know shit about video games so that you get all the jokes. And are also playing on hard mode without using spirits that are more powerful than the opponent.

  36. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like the idea, but bot the execution. If it was just a simple event mode and your reward are the stickers to customize your character or trophies I wouldn't mind just because events were fun.

  37. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I will now remind everyone to go look at what Pazs spirit gives you at the start of a battle

  38. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >basically made a ginormous event mode
    Was pretty soulful too with the amount of Easter Eggs. I liked it but to each his own

  39. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >caring about single player content in a multiplayer oriented game
    Just play with your bros, eat snacks, you know the drill

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Sakurai is going to bother with singleplayer, he needs to go all out, like he says he always does in every aspect of his game. Melee had a great singleplayer mode, still has yet to be topped.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Having moved away far from my old roommates, I barely get the chance to do couch co op anymore, and the online is ass no matter. If the online was good, I probably would be happier. Otherwise I actually had the autism to get nearly spirit minus DLC fighter spirits I don't own, and just wish there was more to do with them. Smash Run itself also would've been a fun mode to recycle into Ultimate.

  40. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Needed unique dark samus moves.

  41. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Welcome to 4 years ago. Are people finally ready to admit that Sakurai is actually human and isn't some sort of perfect savant of game design?

  42. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else did a Kirby only run in this?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why? I could barely force myself to finish my first playthrough of it. Don't tell me you went back for multiple runs of this shit. kek

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      is waaayyyy too long for that shit but I did mostly used kirby and never touched it again after 100%

  43. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    World of Light's way of representing other characters using only in-game assets and stat modifiers was genius, and I wish more games would take this approach.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was very meh and you never really felt like you were fighting the character, or like each fight was unique. Lots of it was samey filler

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Only because it was easy enough for children to beat.

        I thought that was ass after the first time, like pretty much everyone did Giant DK and Bowser in Fourside to represent Kong vs Godzilla, having devs do that for you is kinda gay imo and just seems like a cope with what they don't have coming from them

        It's a full collection of those imagined experiences.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not about difficulty, it’s that those changes are very basic and constantly reutilized. Fighting a guy on a burning stage is cool once or twice but not when I’ve done 10 variations of the same gimmick but with a different character

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Fighting a guy on a burning stage is cool once or twice but not when I’ve done 10 variations of the same gimmick but with a different character
            I don't remember encountering that many "burning stage" fights.
            And reusing the gimmick would be fine. It's to simulate what fighting that character would be like, so as long as they can differentiate one fight from the next, it's fine.

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              I played WoL recently, theres definitely way too many "floor is x" variants that is might as well be 100 floor is fire battles

              Melee events did have better mission structures with unique goals like Yoshi protecting an egg

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I can agree that mission variety is lacking.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought that was ass after the first time, like pretty much everyone did Giant DK and Bowser in Fourside to represent Kong vs Godzilla, having devs do that for you is kinda gay imo and just seems like a cope with what they don't have coming from them

  44. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >beating it is the only way to change the menu music
    Frick you, Sakurai.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol that was a little mean, though you can just play on Very Easy

  45. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    IM STILL MAD ABOUT MASTER HAND NOT HAVING A SEPERATE MODE HOLY SHIT I SHOULDNT NEED TO WASTE A SAVE FILE FOR THIS.
    That is all.

  46. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sakurai's autism and a corporate mandate to treat all third parties like sacred cows precludes a Smash Adventure from using franchises asymmetrically. No worthwhile adventure mode could possibly accommodate all of the third party characters equally, let alone some select Nintendo characters on top of that.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the real reason they're not making adventure modes anymore? 3rd parties would complain if their characters were t includes?
      Guest characters don't appear in the Mortal Kombat story mode. You won't see Peacemaker and Homelander in MK1's campaign. All they need to do is treat 3rd party characters as a separate category.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think so? In Brawl, they had no problem with Snake fighting alongside Nintendo characters. Even in the WoL opening, Bayonetta, Sonic, and Snake are explicitly turned to dust.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure it's part of the reason, not every publisher has the same attitude about these things. Snake was begged to be put in by Kojigger so there was no risk of anything there. Sonic saved the day in Brawl and they would have lost without him.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          fox's legs look extra short

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Brawl had the best visual cohesion and I'm tired of pretending that it didn't

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you ever pretended it didn't.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking Bayonetta dying to Galeem while Kirby gets to live is DeathBattle-levels of stupid

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            it happens, still funny how only Sonic was able to hurt Taboo in SSE

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >treat all third parties like sacred cows
      What? Third party characters get treated differently based on how much Sakurai likes the franchise lmao, with characters like Banjo and Sora getting just the bare minimum, but Kazuya getting a complex, intricate moveset, lots of music, unique abilities and references out of the ass

  47. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Been wanting to restart my save file of Ultimate and try to get all the Spirits and shit but I'll miss my old Spirit teams and mii fighters. Anyone know if theres a way to back those up specifically?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      you can start a new game with the spirits you already have

  48. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    heres your Smash Deluxe bro

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do people think they're gonna do this? The licenses will have to be renewed and at that point you're better off making a new game. No, you don't need to retain the roster. No, you don't need 3rd parties either, at least not a lot of them.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do people think they're gonna do this?
        Mario Kart 8 DX pretty much
        >The licenses will have to be renewed and at that point you're better off making a new game. No, you don't need to retain the roster.
        fair point, idk about that, the latter part
        > No, you don't need 3rd parties either, at least not a lot of them.
        I agree

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mario Kart isn't playing with 3rd party IP's, so Ultimate DX ain't happening.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah I would like all ninty

  49. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >arcade modes should be random with variable bonus modes a
    >adventure mode should be like melee's having a romp through a series' setting but with branching paths and alt course clears
    >allstar should go back to being completely random while maybe incorporating some of the newer game elements like squad strike
    >events return
    >good BtT returns
    >race to the finish gets multiple courses or maybe just tweaked throwbacks

    it's so easy to conceptually make good single player smash content

  50. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    How would improve the stage selection in the next game?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      More well thought out transitional stages. Halberd is easily the best example of having a transforming stage and hazards without it feeling obnoxious. Also bring back mother fricking poke floats

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think that any game that already has a stage should be prevented from getting another. We need more deep cuts

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally just port the rest of them. Doesn't matter if it's shit or not. I don't know how you can start from 0, go to 100 then say frick it I've had enough when there's like 10 more left. If it's shit just make a nice Omega setpiece.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      give everyone a home stage

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's insane how certain characters still don't have a stage that specifically relates to them.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Super Mario
        >Mario - already has New Donk City but I'll say Block Fort from MK64
        >Luigi - LM3 hotel
        >Peach - Peach's Cake from Mario Party
        >Daisy - Daisey's Cruise Ship
        >Rosalina - a new Rainbow Road rather than MK7 port(it suits her)
        >Bowser - Bowser's Castle
        >Bowser Jr - Battlerock Galaxy
        >Plant - Lavalava Island

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          DK
          >Donkey Kong - Minecart Carnage
          >Diddy Kong - Sunset Shore
          >K Rool - his floating Fortress

          >Wario - Crescent Moon Village

          >Yoshi - Crafted Wold

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            LoZ
            >Link - Lost Woods
            >Zelda - Time Temple
            >Sheik - Death Mountain Chasm/Depths
            >Ganondorf - Ganon's Tower
            >Toon Link - Minish Boot
            >Young Link - Clocktown

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              Metroid
              >Samus - Phendrana Drifts
              >ZSS - Fusion Lab
              >Dark Samus - Phazon Mines
              >Ridley - Urttraghus

              Kid Icarus
              >Pit - Overworld
              >Palutena underworld idk never played Kid Icarus

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                Kirby
                >Kirby - City Trial
                >Metaknight - Access Ark
                >King Dedede - Mt. Dedede

                >Captain Falcon - Thunder Road

                >Fox - Dinosaur Planet
                >Falco - Macbeth
                >Wolf - Aparoid Asteroid belt

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Palutena underworld idk never played Kid Icarus
                Bro there's a stage currently in the game called Palutena's Temple.

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          - Bowser's Castle
          Honestly, why the frick has it taken so long for Sakurai to make a Bowser's Castle stage for Smash?

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Because generic mandate grassy bing bing wahoo lands are more important to represent.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            theres that paper mario stage that represents the shitty paper mario games that has a bowser castle segments aaaand they gave it the worst plaform layout

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'd say Bowser Jr. should get an Airship Fleet stage, but great choices.
          >Link - Sacred Grove (generic, vaguely based off LttP)
          >Zelda - Hyrule Castle (generic, have elements from several games' castles)
          >Ganondorf - Dark World (pyramid area)
          >Toon Link - Spirit Tracks, but fixed so half the stage doesn't fricking vanish every 30 seconds
          >Young Link - Clock Town
          >Sheik - Temple of Time

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Airship Fleet stage
            thars another one we should've gotten 3 games ago

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Metal Cavern, Every single Final Destination and every single Battlefield are in

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Kill off every scrolling, transforming, and walkoff stage. Whatever Smash 4's utterly horrendous stage selection was, I want the complete opposite of that.
      I will say, Melee's Mute City stage was pretty great, I'm not sure why they brought the shitty ugly brawl version back over that

  51. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually unreal how bad every smash sequel has been since melee. And nincucks just keep lapping it up.

  52. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just think of it like the event match mode from the previous games, but longer.

  53. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Pedoultimate has lots of input lag.

  54. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    maybe its time we apologized to poke floats

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Poke Floats is fun though. Despite just being Pokemon Stadium 2 model rips, they're all fun to fight on and don't really get in the way.

      The problem with 90% of the new stages is that they're just not fricking fun and do more to frick you over and get in your way.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        it makes me wonder how hard is it really for them to make Smash Bros

  55. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    do people actually want "everyone to be revamped" or is it another buzzword like Smash Kart? really most people can just use a few tweaks but is not super necessary

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why would they cut Snake?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        they already cut him before and he's not too associated with Ninty to come off as a Nintendo all star

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >replace solid fricking snake, the first third party
      kill
      yourself
      Black person

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        it happened before so is more insurance than anything

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Functionally replace
      >Incineroar and Greninja
      With who? There's no other Pokemon like them, both physique and purpose wise.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >keep it as it is
      >Link
      >Bowser
      homie, Link needs runes and champion abilities and Bowser needs Bowsers inside story moves

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ice Climbers are completely uninspired as a fighter and would have the title of shittiest representation of their series if Pac-Man wasn't in the game. Thrown them to the top or replace them.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >of their series
        They're from a single game where they have two abilities: jump and hammer. Genuinely curious as to how you would fix them

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Change Jigglybuff, Ness, and Mewtwo
      >Keep Ike, Lucas, and Pit even though they represent their games misserably
      >Remove Snake, Robin, Sheik, Incineroar of all characters
      I hate rostergays so much. Do you even play Nintendo games besides Smash?

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but I play a lot of games

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          add Excitebiker for another retro(ish) guy

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        you make 0 sense dude

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          How? Ike is fast in his own game and has projectiles, in Smash he's a slow, lumbering character

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            okay, one guy out of like 50 others, sorry I didn't play FE among like a hundred games I played

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              You've clearly played EB since you put Ness there, why give him new shit while Lucas has to be the same? Ness represents EarthBound better than Lucas represents Mother 3

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                y'know idek, I didn't play EB but I am aware that Ness has PSI Rockin that he can use and that both him and Lucas borrows moves from their fellow party members

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jigglypuff could use fairy moves to refresh her, but really I think she's low priority too, even being a staple
        Mewtwo I have some moves that just suck like his side B, either change it or buff,

        I like Snake but like 10 of his moves can go to Sami for insurance
        likewise Sheik to Impa, Robin(but frick him) to Isaac, Inceneroar to Ringside Wrestler

        but I guess for some of these just have both, nothing wrong with having similar characters, is the character that matters more than the function in these kind of games which is why I don't mind the spacies

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Pit represents his game miserably
        ???

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          to be fair KI 1 and 2 were both games no one played but people memed about tit getting a sequel because of Captain N and Nintendo Power Magazine

          basically he was the original geno, but atleast he was the mc of his game

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah a "total revamp" is super unnecessary for like 99% of the cast

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      what the hell is Smash Kart

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        the idea that Mario Kart should be all-nintendo rather than Mario

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          like no one actually wants a smash kart but really a few more guest characters. is always the same bunch
          >Kirby
          >Fox
          >Captain Falcon
          >Samus
          >Pikachu

  56. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    honestly once you get past the novelty of having all the characters in the game ultimate is just not that good
    you can't say it out loud though, because people get mad and tell you to take a shower
    smash bros. playerbase is the strongest personality cults in gaming trumping even kojimbo

  57. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    unrelated but whats the most iconic phrase in fighting games history
    >FALCON PUNCH!
    >GET OVER HERE!
    >SHORYUKEN!/HADOUKEN!

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      In terms of popularity
      >Shoryuken > Get over here >>>>> Falcon Punch
      10 out 10 people know Shoryuken, 8 know Get over here and about 3 know Falcon Punch.

  58. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >need to beat this shitty mode to unlock alternate menu music

    Frick you Sakurai you god damn hack

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      all about the same

  59. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is lame

  60. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    COLORS WEAVE INTO A SPIRE OF FLAME

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      I TAKE Black person DICK CAUSE I AM A GAY

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is the best reply I've ever seen to someone singing on this website

  61. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite thing about the DLC spirit board was alwayd defeating the spirit with a "relevant character". Like defeating Morgana, Ryuji and Ann with Wii Fit Trainer (Kamoshida) or Aqua with Wolf (Braig)

  62. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    What villains/rivals should be added in the future?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Andross
      Dr Eggman
      Octoling
      Waluigi
      Raven Beak
      Skullkid
      King Boo
      Bandana Waddle Dee
      Magolor
      Sylux
      Black Shadow
      E.M.M.I
      Goroh
      Meowth./Team Rocket
      Vaati
      Fawful
      Master Hand Jr

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mike Tyson would be kinography

  63. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sakurai's taste in stages is so garbage. Theres like 8 DK jungle stages all with the same music, 15 renditions of the main zelda theme. Ganondorf's theme is stuck at the end of the song of storms for some reason. Garbage taste. Brawlvault was my haunt back in the day. It was so cool to actually have bowser music and fight in bowser's castle. You think that would just be in the game already

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why the hell do almost all Metroid stages involve lava except for one

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        I just now remembered that every single Metroid stage either plays terribly or looks ugly

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          atleast Brinstar Depths is great with hazards turned off

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is it? I remember the ledges being fricked

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              yeah you're right, also I gotta say is not at annoying with post-melee fall speed though I much prefer melee physics

  64. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is everyone shitting on Ultimate lately?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      the honeymoon period is over, steve ravaged the meta and melee is still alive, so there's no longer any reason for people to pretend the game is the best thing since sliced bread

  65. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    If we were in a perfect world where WoL was a full-blown story mode like SSE, what characters would you guys want to see team up/interact with each other? (Also how the frick would they go about Dr. Mario and the 3 Links all being separate entities?)

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      time travel, man it would've been so much cooler if they added Chrono instead of either Hero or Sephiroth

  66. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just bought smash ultimate and I was always under the impression world of light was an evolution of the subspace emissary but you just go around fighting other characcters one on one as usual but you get some stickers? Is that It. Also there are no trophies in this game why the frick is this the "ultimate" smash if it has less content than the previous ones.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      they focused more on rostergayging

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        They literally could had atleast copypasted the ones from the WiiU version wtf

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, it made the challenges completely pointless too

          >half the rewards are spirit snacks and other currency

  67. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >8 fricking FE characters
    >not a single AW character
    >not a single Golden Sun character
    >not a single RH Character

    you can never excuse this

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those three series are barely even relevant. Complain about other series already in the game having one fighter.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >not a single AW character
        Good
        >not a single Golden Sun character
        Good
        >not a single RH character
        What's RH?

        oh because EVERYONE knew what FE was when Melee came out, even for Brawl

        also Xenoblade literally sold less than a million by the time they added Shulk but you can't have a guy from a game that sold 3 Million

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          Cry about it.

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            >no excuse confirm
            looks like I win

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              What excuses? That one RPG series got in over some other RPG series that died 10-15 years ago?

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          These are Japanese games. FE is popular in Japan. You are not the target audience

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            FE wasn't popular anywhere prior to Smash 4

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's honestly ridiculous

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >not a single AW character
      Good
      >not a single Golden Sun character
      Good
      >not a single RH character
      What's RH?

  68. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked it. Combining Adventure mode with Events is a good thing. Platforming with Smash Bro's physics was always weird anyway,

  69. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    The boss fights and ending sections are probably the best in the series. If only the entire mode was similar in quality

  70. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give me a good reason for these not returning
    >too similar
    We now have 3 Battlefields and Smashville + Town and City

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honest answer? They can't recycle them as easy as other stages. Half of smash content is recycled.

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      honestly I prefer proper original Rainbow Road like in the Rosalina trailer

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Sector Z
      Similar to Corneria, but larger. I guess they figured it would be weird or redundant.
      >Zebes
      Aesthetically and mechanically similar to Brinstar, despite the unique layout. Probably thought it was also redundant.
      >Mario Bros
      Same as the previous two, though I prefer the Melee version to the N64 verison.
      >Mute City
      Too much work to get it up to visual standards, and Port Town apes its gimmick.
      >Rainbow Road
      Too much work to update visuals, I guess.
      >Pac Maze
      Officially, its gimmick could not be replicated on Switch. I imagine this was a fairly late decision, though, since the ghosts were made into an AT.
      >Woolly World
      Probably some weird frickery with stage swap.

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Too much work to update visuals, I guess.
        You think it might come back next game thanks to it being updated for the MK8 booster pass?

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      Woolly World is strange considering they could've just ported the Wii U version.

  71. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hitler lost chud. Or won, I dont know. Video games.

  72. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >be in the mood for some Smash Run
    >Game Card is dead
    I guess no Smash Run for me then.

  73. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sonic is now based off himself in Frontiers
    >He's now broken and people want his old camper self back
    I can see it happening.

  74. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    is bullshit how Kirby hasn't had a new character since Brawl despite being a long running top 8 Nintendo franchise, only behind Smash Bros

    • 9 months ago
      Anonymous

      everybody important from kirby is already there. That's more than series like DK or f-zero can say

      • 9 months ago
        Anonymous

        you can say that Mario only needs Mario

        • 9 months ago
          Anonymous

          you can't tell the story of mario without luigi, bowser, and peach at a bare minimum

          • 9 months ago
            Anonymous

            theres plenty of major mario games without Luigi though

            • 9 months ago
              Anonymous

              the series is literally called super mario brothers. He can skip games but you can't explain Mario as a franchise without Luigi

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                no the franchise is called a Super Mario first and foremost

              • 9 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'd argue that's more of a branding gimmick since Mario has gone solo more often even though the series literally starts as super mario bros, but whatever. Beyond semantics that still doesn't diminish Luigi's importance to the franchise as one of the main characters

  75. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    test

  76. 9 months ago
    Anonymous

    cam we hit 500

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