>day off
>log on FFXIV for some early afternoon gaming
>do frontlines
>don't have fun
>do roulettes
>don't have fun
>DC visit aether because Primal is dead and useless
>do some mount farming
>don't have fun
>wait around for ultimate PF to fill
>get in
>they're wiping two phases before my program point
>don't have fun
>log out
Dawntrail isn't gonna fix things, is it?
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What you need my friend is called medication and or therapy
If you don't have friends to play them with MMORPGs won't be fun, people still chasing that high they had in the mid 00s without knowing why they had it.
Never had any friends for MMOs but as someone with a tolerance for grinding/boring shit in-between I've lost the will to carry on a bit and just want to skip to all the raids and shit I haven't done yet because of trying to do almost everything.
Is Baldesion Arsenal worth seeing Eureka through to the end or is it shit?
Baldesion Arsenal is some of the best content in the game.
well guess I've still got Hydatos in me
ah yes. standard alliance raid but IF YOU DIE YOU DIE FOR REAL HOW HARDCORE
You only permadie if ozma succ's you.
play something else. i recommend path of exile. it's also not fun but in a very different way
it's okay to not like the game anymore
Yeah I quit a few months ago, I felt a bit bad about letting my large go but after it got demod I didn't even miss the game at all
I never got a house specifically for that reason, did decorate an apartment so at least that will be permanent.
Having a house is fun but if the game ain't fun anymore you just gotta let it go, I don't think there's anything more to it. I did enjoy decorating apartments a lot though, the limited space made making good looking stuff harder but atleast it was all in one small area
have you tried helping others clear stuff? number going up is meager alms compared to the warmth and comradery of tarddragging
Yes but even that got boring with the trash job gameplay so I dropped it after clearing the expansion.
Yeah I queue into mentor roulette with the hopes of it being an EX, but it's always a guildhest...
>wait around for ultimate PF to fill
>get in
>they're wiping two phases before my program point
program point lol
>they disband
i always have fun with the game but this pisses me off to no end, i wish ultimates were more popular, at least the 90 ones they have taken me the longest
/pet /pet
Nothing more enjoyable than tarddragging, I always stand back as a healer and just let the new players go for it.
Pretty bold of you to call others tards when you yourself are a tard who can't play the game at a decent level.
I woke up to a warning that "all generals belong on /vg/" just for posting in a ziv thread last night.
Coouldn't they just make a non rp /xivg/? Or like, we could move to make a general on /vrpg/
Just look at the lalafell avatargays in these threads. On /vg/ if you try and take traffic from their threads there, the threads will be shit up even more.
Me too and I only made one single post in the afternoon thread.
Somebody got butthurt.
I had that too, janny was mad
Is that why that happened? I thought it was because I posted in a Unicorn Overlord thread...
I'm starting to really dislike these janitors.
>I woke up to a warning that "all generals belong on /vg/" just for posting in a ziv thread last night.
Me too, I didnt even make the last thread that this warning came fron. Literally getting WARNINGs for posting in a thread now??????? A thread about a video game on the video game board too.
Same, he deleted the thread at like 400-450 posts too. Imagine being warned for talking about video games on the video games board. Maybe get rid of the 24/7 multiple AI threads, draw threads, master duel, multiple gacha threads, multiple WoW threads (that were up at the same time of the deletion), and oh maybe half of the dozen porn threads up.
Anyway, I just wanted to post that I think it's time to remove the aoe draw in from DRK in PVP completely, it'll never be something you can balance and it gives cheaters/autists a way to ruin multiple modes for everyone else.
A Splatoon thread got pruned last night too for no reason. No idea what the frick janny is doing these days but it's getting worse.
Just limit how many people can be sucked in
same, and of course, no "breaking rule post" linked
Ooooh, so THATS why I got that warning today.
Kiss my ass Janny, XIV is a video game and I'm talking about video games on the video game board.
this community has unironically broke me from raiding. now i don't really want to do anything. nobody's even really a good bloke after 2016. everyone's so weird not even the good way but in the nuway of ironically being weird. OMG QUIRK NAH ID WIN NAH ID WIN DID SOMEONE SAY FEMBOYSSSSSS??? VIERAAA SEX??? VIERA SEX??? HROTHGARRRSSS HROTHHH IM A FURRY IM FURRY RICK
Yeah the current audience is definitely the tumblr/twitter people, although I guess that's just the FF fanbase these days.
i can't even stomach the amount of ff7r crap these gays are on. like i've been so much gaslit by them talking about the game online it's unreal.
They're gonna switch to XVI DLC talk immediately after, too.
Endwalker made me realize the people i played with all left and were replaced with
people like this.
Not to mention everyone went from playing the game vanilla to modding the game out the wazoo.
The netcode is dogshit. Definitely an a game worth playing for the story up to EW 6.0 finish. Oh and the playerbase quality is at it's lowest. Along with the continuous homogenization of classes.
I got lucky enough to find a static of fellow MMO boomers like myself but I don't know if I'll be able to bring myself to keep going if it breaks up. I can't play with the current community, it drives me up a fricking wall.
troonys invaded en masse, and square got so ban happy that if you even look at another player the wrong way you'll get a mark. so now everyone is passive aggressive fake nice
The game just isn't fun man, you have to let go.
Which one is more fun between MNK and SAM?
SB MNK > SHB SAM > who gives a shit now.
It's pretty watered down now, I guess it's neat to see ozma again but unless you REALLY want the mount or the relic/armor, it's basically outdone by delubrum reginae savage in every regard.
Hmmmmm well.... both are pretty straightforward but MNK is more involved, both are about collecting little stickers then pressing your big button pick if you want brain off (SAM) or brain slightly on (MNK)
I play both and they're both very fun, I recommend learning them both. I find Monk more fun in casual content because it's more satisfying to do the basic 2 minutes loop. Samurai is really cool in high-end stuff, especially fights with downtime. You can pool resources for a massive opener, adjust your rotation slightly to move your midare casts around for movement, and it's very satisfying to use Third Eye to catch as many instances of damage as you can. When I've been playing a lot of Samurai and I swap to something else I instinctively try to press Third Eye whenever the boss is casting.
MY WIFE LYSE
>DC visit aether because Primal is dead and useless
You clearly have never heard of the Ultros Federation of Popotos.
Fourth most active thread on /vg/ currently.
/vg/ activity is only a metric of mental illness.
keep moving them goalposts, babe, I'm sure no one can smell the cope coming off you at all
>This game is so popular, just look at how active the /vg/ general is!
>This game isn't filled with moronic degenerates, the /vg/ general isn't a good representation of the playerbase!
the /vg/ general just talks about their avatar like 80% of the time (my [race] is like this, i act like this, etc) and there have been many cases of off-topic conversations just going for 300 posts or more
case in point, some morons during eu hours can't stop talking about helldivers and there's an avatargay that just posts clips of other games while replying to ffxiv posts with nonsense just to not get banned
/vg/ general sucks dick despite having some genuinely good people and players
there isn't much to discuss regarding the game unless you speculate on the future but everything else is pretty laid out for you so it's better to play this game than to discuss it
yeah and that's Ganker too except Ganker will actually flood the frick outta it where discussion is impossible because you got anti barrys and barrys fricking screeching at each other.
>talking about helldivers instead of trash xiv
based. you gotta chill though can't you guys talk about something other than xiv and xiv accessories? /tekgen/ for a little bit we were talking about fitness advice and that was cool.
i don't go into the xiv thread to talk about other games, if you do that that's cool i guess if you like being a dickhead
Ganker has had good discussions about xiv more often than not if you just ignore the schizos that talk about the meta of the threads and the people that want to think that their headcanon is the actual story when in reality the story is also pretty much laid out for you and there's nothing to speculate over it
i don't expect someone that likes off-topic discussion to understand
oh come on chill out. the best Ganker discussion is often off topic discussion. going full autismo xiv all the time is how you become one of them.
i think the way of MMOs is dead. the next "mmo" will probably be a live service style game lmao. less WoW like, more action rpg with squads
>based. you gotta chill though can't you guys talk about something other than xiv and xiv accessories?
Why would you go into a XIV thread to talk about Helldivers instead of going into a Helldivers thread?
>/tekgen/ for a little bit we were talking about fitness advice and that was cool.
Because generals are just supplementary channels for discord servers and you treat it like a personal hangout instead of talking about VIDEO GAMES which is the fricking problem with /vg/.
because why not? is hell divers even fun?
moron
Acoustic.
and to add to your second point, as someone that browses tekgen too it's only fun when there's tekken discussion going on, be it the game, characters, tournaments or players
i don't understand why you would shit a thread talking about another game unprompted which is what /xivg/ does but then again it's impossible to have any type of conversation there since it's all horny grown ass men that missed out on socializing during highschool pretending to be their characters
>to jive with people
you can do that in game
>You can do that in game
you can do it here too. but we know as Ganker's official culture would like to call xiv players in game: the untouchables are all over aether, primal and crystal.
This.
/vg/ threads especially /xivg/ acts as an extension of discord cliques. They all act like highschool girls too which is the pathetic part.
yes as opposed to Ganker threads with their barry posting.
>goalposts moved
It really is horrible and I had to get out when I realized it. I'm here to play video games not have some socially stunted homosexual be passive-aggressive to me because I was nice to some person who he doesn't like, but grown-ass men love to act like woman (which they'll never be). I guess the only good thing to come from /xivg/ was meeting with a girl I met from there and having sex lol.
i felt the same way but i didn't really interact with anyone directly, i'd often post something or a mod and then see a male elezen or someone else address my post without replying to it so if i were to post a cool mod i had found he'd post his installed mod acting as if he had found it which was weird it's also very weird to explain but it's a place filled with, as i mentioned, people that just missed out on socializing and so they base their worth on the replies they get and how many people recognize them
to sum it up it's a bunch of losers stuck in a general because they have nowhere else to go to stroke their ego
xiv everywhere in a nutshell
i can't disagree 100% with that but at least some people do it privately or keep to themselves
and funnily enough it is filled with like 5 different discord cliques at any given time
i mean i used to browse it for a while since there were rarely any xiv Ganker threads and it was just pathetic
that's off-topic conversation so yes if you want to jive with people and not with anonymous then just go in game and talk to others
i don't get why you're defending off-topic conversation so much, if you aren't from /vg/ then you'd fit perfectly in there
this is the last (You) i will give you
>i don't get why you're defending off-topic conversation so much
Posters in these threads shit a brick if FFXIV concept art starts being posted but they won't say a word about twitter screencaps or e-celebs. The cancer is too thick in these threads.
oh sureee you want to bring that background spammer back? see what i mean you have toxic "thread" culture too. not much different from /xivg/
There was a guy who made fresh webms of every cosplay contest entry for each fanfest and he spent two or three threads dumping them just so they'd be in circulation and the freaks in here lost their mind because he was """"spamming""".
>wtf my life is a complete mess and I spend all my free time on an MMORPG and I'm no longer having fun
shocking
This games main appeal is the story. Once its done just stop playing. You aren't missing anything you can't get from a different game
the story has been so mid lately.
bad pacing,
most dumbest anime characters and twists.
i haven't even done the post patch for endwalker but god damn i hate the main scions and i swear everyone acting like a moron in the past arc sequence was so dumb.
Sounds like its time to move onto a different game and unsub for good.
paying $10-15 every two months to cuck someone out of 6 houses makes my day tbh.
i haven't even customized it.
i just wish to god that they can make the gameplay better somehow or at least have the story not be a fotm shounen anime by netflix. i think it's too late though since all these I"D WIN ID WIN ID WIN ID WIN posters are the main audience now.
sure i don't really expect the story to be better. i don't even like zeros design tbh.
/vg/ honestly isn't that bad imo. idk why Ganker thinks its erp hell when you can ignore that shit and still have someone reply to your questions and discussion. Ganker gets bad with the amount of thread autism though.
they keep introducing more and more major characters and idk why they do it.
You know; they already retired one mmo after it finished it's story. I'm not sure why they wont do that again for FF 14 and make a new one with "updated" gameplay
You're not missing ANYTHING by not doing 6.1-6.5 MSQ. It's literally just the trial series of the expansion except with MSQ budget. 6.5 EX was also super boring
The story has been in a death spiral since the end of Stormblood and start of Shadowbringers. Too much focus has been put on the Scions and a small few characters that it's drained the life out of the world and has led to many mysteries or otherwise interesting points being reveal in disappointing or outright stupid ways.
I'm still finding stuff to do
>Go to a company convention
>Talk about sports or other off topic stuff to jive with people
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT????? THIS IS ABOUT MR CLEAN AND MR CLEAN PRODUCTS ONLY ANYONE WHO DOES NOT TALK ABOUT MR CLEAN IM GONNA GET THE JANITOR OUT HERE
daily reward games are stupid and defeat the point of a game, turning it into a chore. Reject these, do not reward the studios by participating in their rewards and the games they make will have to accomidate or else theyll continue to lose fans that also think daily rewards are dumb
XIV isn't really a chore game with the dailies, the game certainly can turn into a chore if you let it but most people only do a few and not the full set because capping the weekly currency takes no effort at all.
thing I dont want to do but reap the reward from ultimately affecting my decision= chore
even logging in when I dont want to play is a chore. It could be a kinder daily thing to do, but my argument is more of definition that whatever it is it is a chore
XIV is the opposite of that. I sub for about 3 months for content every 2/3 years, 2 months before expansion launch to catch all big fish and clear both ultimates and then 1 month after launch to clear all content and level all jobs/crafters. There is zero reason to play XIV in-between that time unless you are a fomo mouthbreathing erp hunt train troon or you value the useless home you never use and nobody ever sees.
>Expecting to have fun in FFXIV
There's your problem
Blogthread?
It was 10 years ago, lvl35, i was questing in Coerthas and the thought popped into my mind: if i don't make friends in here soon i'll be quitting.
I made friends right then and it made me want to keep playing. Everyday or so i was playing through all the patches and all the lulls until my friends started quitting one after the other, an organic snowball effect really. Shadowbringer came out, Endwalker came out, why am i not having fun doing this game's activities? I hadn't connected the stupid dots yet. Turns out i never actually had fun in FFXIV, i had sunk into a delusion, tricked the fog of good relations.
Maybe you are tricked as well.
i've been looping the solution 9 track all afternoon. soken (or his peons) has been so bad lately I forgot he could cook when he had to
okay lets be honest now. raise your hand if you're hired by square enix to advertise final fantasy xiv.
i'll be the first one.
SE should retroactively pay me for every post I've ever made about XIV tbh.
hey ya'll just posting that i had sex today, what about you guys how many sex did you redeem
You will never be a gamer
Sex is for boys, ERPing is for men
When you think about it sex is fricking disgusting
Just stop playing, its that easy.
i am a gamer and i always will be
>thread falling into blatant doomerism
Why can't you people enjoy things? every normal and sane person is hyped as hell for dawntrail yet when you come in here it becomes a non stop whinning contest.
Grow up, get a life, then maybe you could start enjoying the game again.
>if I become bored with the game can I put it down without consequences?
if the answer is no, thats a problem
>This is the kind of people that keep square enix afloat while every one of their projects sink
Holy shit, you have homies buying fantasias every time they breath, no wonder they are able to fund shit like forspoken or the thousand marvel games that shut down in a month.
>Why can't you people enjoy things?
Because I wanted to go on fricking vacation and the God damn Scions followed me
Let me murderhobo in relative peace you fricking buttholes, I thought we were done with this shit after we 'dissolved' after Endwalker.
>I like eating slop mmm so tasty~
We know you have shit taste
I'm allowed to doom about the current state of the game until DT fixes it, if at all
funny how the wow cycle is the expansion fixes everything and in ffxiv the expansion breaks everything
except ffxiv has caught up with WoW and is the same, Yoshi P wasn't lying when he said he looked to WoW for inspiration in how he does things
I enjoy good things. EW was not good, and I don't blame anyone at all for being reluctant to be excited about DT. I'm cautiously optimistic. The content promises look good, I like the FFXI stuff, but EW and XVI back to back have made me very wary of CBU3's capabilities. If you weren't a deranged cultist you might be able to understand.
>Going to the Ganker XIV threads full of sharty homosexuals, shazamcord, barry, pablo, and theodric.
You fool.
>pablo
i don't appreciate that my name is used to shitpost about the game I love
It's okay you're probably less smelly than pablo.
All me btw
These posts are a farce. They are all actually me.
I'm him, I'm the guy.
When does the XV event end?
also, the current tomestone event ends March 11th
Thanks pal
Seeing all the little sprouts running around during a game's dead period is pretty neat, my Tails book appreciates it too.
Weird seeing so many non-Travelers/Wanderers in Sarg though, figured people would pick server names that had more of an immediately recognized fanservice name like Jenova, Ultros or Gilgamesh.
Sargatanas is unfortunately known to be the e-celeb server so everyone comes to us trying to see their favorite streamer.
Sargatanas is her house
Sargatanas (formerly Lindblum) is MY house. E-celebs get put on pikes out front.
homie nobody knows you, if anything you are a second class citizen who should be paying tribute to it's e-celeb overlords.
They probably contribute more to the server identity and culture in a day than what you had ever contributed to in all your time playing.
>They probably con--GLURK GLURK GLURK *GAG* MMMFFFFF MNNNNN GLURK GLUCK GLUCK
you're really good at making those sounds anon. is there something you'd like to share with the class?
glad to see i struck a nerve on your sorry ass, when you are unable to sleep tonight remember me.
>contribute to the culture
Who is the eceleb you suck off, anon? It's rather obvious by how you characterize them as anything but cancerous
>Clemency
>Divine Veil
>Holy Spirit
>Requiescat
>Holy Circle
>Repentance/Atonement
>Confiteor
>Holy Sheltron
>Expiacion
>Blade of Faith
>Blade of Truth
>Blade of Valor
I thought Paladin was supposed to be only a Knight?
Why do they have all of these holy atacks and others with vaguely religious theming?
These are all their names in the original japanese as well.
Did they change their mind about it being a knight only.
Because that's how it was in older games so yeah
Why don't black mages use other elements of aether
So is there a difference between what Knights and Paladins can do?
They're the same thing in FF
Depends on the game. Knight in FFV and the original FFIII has no white magic, but in FFI and the remakes of FFIII it does. But those games have no Paladin to contrast with. Paladin is only in FFIV, FFXI, and FFXIV, and it's just Knight in JP in two of those games.
European knights are religious in nature to begin with.
In stranger of paradise they have different abilities and passive, knight has a buff that returns damage when parrying and when upgraded just by blocking, it can be used on other jobs as well. Paladins make ANY attack also deal holy damage, and if they aren't full HP those attacks heal. However Paladin's buff is a constant, meaning they can't job switch or they lose the buff.
Play Jack's game already butthole
They're Faithchads
Because faith begets justice.
Japanese have a strong image of knight = church
It's why all the knight servants in fate have some sort of holy catholic.
I guess it's more accurate to say knight = crusader.
The distinction between knight and paladin came later but they essentially mean the same thing.
DEUS VULT, MOTHERFRICKER
Juan Fantasía
>do frontlines
>have fun
>do Zeromussy
>have fun
>do BLU learning
>have fun
>tomorrow is DSR reclears
>I will have fun
Sucks to be OP
Eureka makes me so fricking disgruntled.
I hate leeches who stand around aetherytes, not helping with popping up fates and then spamming lfg lfg lfg lfg when one pops up.
I hate people who are mad as hell whenever someone pulls a NM too early, and start being passive aggressive or just straight up aggressive in shout. It's especially egregious when there are tens of people prefarming things like Cassie, and then people who've done jack shit to help prefarming get all uppity when the people helping prefarming pull Cassie quickly, even immediately as the fate pops up. Like these people were forgoing other NMs just to pop this fricker, while you were going around the map doing the NMs that popped up during it. What makes you think you are so deserving of being waited on when you did nothing to help out with the pulls that are often very nasty and deadly, and actually need some group coordination?
Then there's the low level people who try to get to high level NMs, die along the way, beg for res while they are super far away (especially bad in Pagos with those ledge drops), and AGAIN get real mad when people decide to do the NM instead of coming to rescue your frail shitty ass who wouldn't even get good rewards from the NM.
And then there are the ones that don't respond to the '' anyone otw? '' shouts a good while after the shout and a pt announcement is made, but immediately as we start pulling, they shout that they are otw.
Like I'm generally pretty positive on waiting on people and helping each other out, but people are so fricking mad all the time when they don't get their precious loot from the NMs. You know a way to be sure that you don't miss any NMs? By being there to fricking farm the mobs that pop them you fricking asswipe.
Frick Eureka. Thank god I'm now done with the Anemos and Pagos part of the relic armor grind, as they seem to be the most egregious in this type of behavior.
>Then there's the low level people who try to get to high level NMs, die along the way, beg for res while they are super far away (especially bad in Pagos with those ledge drops), and AGAIN get real mad when people decide to do the NM instead of coming to rescue your frail shitty ass who wouldn't even get good rewards from the NM.
That reminds me, when I was going through Eureka I had some autist Au ra that would consistently be in it anytime I tried to get through it, and he would always do shit like this and b***h and moan how the xiv community is actually toxic for not going across the entire map to rez him after he died like a moron. It happened in Anemos and Pagos too. I wonder if it's the same shitter, though I went through Eureka a year ago.
Another day closer to Lalafell tummymancers
odds and I resub (only played to 5.3)
evens I don’t
yoshi-p appreciates your contribution
frick
Welcome back Warrior of Light
stop playing xiv
uninstall xiv
>Posting an eceleb unprompted because you're still seething about her
okay I’ll take this post as an excuse to ignore my roll
thanks
42 year old hag sexo
its funny how everyone turned on her when she told trannies that unlike them she had real problems(fleeing ukraine)
I wish the WoL ditched the Scions and adventured alone but with occasional schizophrenic episodes where Ardbert/Fray/Myste would appear.
I -100% want to play this game again. Dawntrail, it's just the same. Stop shitting on ARR and Endwalker.
Certified skill issue
I need the uncensored version! Please!
It's just an illusion :^)
You don't need to keep playing a game you don't enjoy out of some weird obligation to Yoshitpiss. Simply choose to do anything else with your time.
Oh yeah?
Well TALES OF LOOOOOOOOSS AND FIIIIIIIIIIRE AND FAAAAAAAAAITH
WHAT IS IT LIKE WHEN YOU PULL BACK THE CURTAIN
>WoWbuck gets kicked out of /wowg/ for being an off topic spamming sperg obsessed with XIV
>comes to Ganker to shit up an XIV thread using the same file names in his replies
You got kicked out for a reason, furry shitter. have a nice day for the good of WoW and XIV please
im just waiting for DT so i can coom even harder to my own graphic updated character
>Implying you'll be able to see a noticeable difference on character models
Lmaoing at this naive frick, the "graphical update" is a nothingburguer that will only increase the system requirements for a few graphical enhancements.
funny how doomerisms can be read in Endsinger's voice and it sounds like something she'd say during her fight
It's not dooming, that anon is completely correct. People like to talk about content and stuff but very few mention real problems the game has - it looks like shit (hence the huge modbeast community) and 500 hours MSQ wall is easily the most moronic design choice that only exists because SE really wants those scraps from selling skips. Game looks like shit so people don't come and you have to spend months on the story campaign so people don't stay. The "graphical update" is a joke but there was never a reason to expect anything else, a major improvement would be tantamount to making almost an entirely new game and FFXIV devs have been cutting corners left and right on asset creation doing their hardest to avoid making extra piece of gear here or an additional instance there. It's grim and they know people are aware it's grim which is why their marketing for Dawntrail has been basically "we're going to have content guys for real" but that's for veterans and it still doesn't address the two things I mentioned before.
You're sadly right, XIV's problems are too fundamental and would require a new game to fix. Or you know, a decade of constant development, oh wait hang on a second...
>require a new game to fix
they're even more fundamental than that, the developers are incompetent
just look at the glamour system, I don't even want to know how fricked their backend code is for that to be the best solution they could do
but I get the impression you already knew that
>XIV's problems are too fundamental and would require a new game to fix
Anon, if the devs were good at their jobs, the game wouldn't have been designed that way to begin with.
You do understand this right? That the devs are the ones who created the spaghetti code that they now can't fix?
Mh, I legit believe that Yoshida is making the calls here. He actually just says "Please go ahead and remove this." The dev team is actually reading the forums and e-mails from people that are saying: "This is really hard can you make it easy please?"
This is probably the dumbest post I've seen in a while and we've had some really stupid posts. If you've only ever played WoW you wouldn't understand that every MMO is different and each one has it's own draws, the draw for a MMO isn't universally it's endgame, some of them like XIV make the story one of the main draws so buying skips is pointless. If you are going to complain that the MSQ is too long then it's not a game for you, it's ok to admit that but it doesn't mean the game is designed poorly for having a story.
>If you've only ever played WoW you wouldn't understand that every MMO is different and each one has it's own draws
No one subscribes to an MMO hoping that they'll spend 90% of their first 400 hours watching cutscenes alone. That's a post-hoc rationalization by FFXIV dweebs.
These are the same person
That’s the thing, you don’t have to subscribe until a significant portion of the game is done. I had 500+ hours in the trial playing slow as frick, before it was expanded to SB.
Okay don't choke on that Yoshi dick moron
No one said it's badly designed for having a story
It's badly designed for forcing new players to go through 500 hours of the story before they can play with others in full
moron
Apparently a lot of people do because they want to play a MMO that also has a JRPG style story to work through. I know this is hard for WoWbrains to understand but most MMOs don't "Start" at max level, the game always has you playing with others "in full" from level 1.
The MSQ is terrible to play through with friends though because you keep having to disband your party to play through a solo instance whose gameplay can be summed up with this video
What is this WoW player obsession with having to be in a party with someone? This only started appearing as a complaint during the mid to late stages of Shadowbringers.
Has nothing to do with WoW. It's just true that this game sucks to play alongside friends. I had a friend who wanted to start playing with me so we did, and it was very clear that this game is meant to be played solo until you start doing dungeons and alliance raids and stuff. He quit around level 20 because he wasn't interested in playing alone, which I totally get.
Has everything to do with the timing of when that very unique and silly complaint began. It's ok to not like a game, it's ok to quit because you didn't like it, the question is why are you complaining about it?
Because this isn't a hugbox and we're allowed to point out the shortcomings of this game?
It's not normal for someone to join threads on games he doesn't play and spend hours every day whining about being filtered by them.
Go play something you do like, are you excited for Dragons Dogma 2? What about Tekken 8 that's fun right?
You don't know shit about me and you should take your own advice and go play your favorite game instead of making shit up about anons who don't have good things to say about aspects of it.
Yes I am very excited about Dragons Dogma 2 thank you for asking.
Anyone who would legitimately get upset about having to leave a party to do a solo instance in XIV to the point of going on hours long tirades about it on a New Zealand wool weaving website is pretty easy to read, you are an open book anon we know everything about you.
Generally in MMOs people don't feel the need to constantly be in a party with others, there are half a dozen different ways to communicate either in our out of the game and being in a party on a constant basis in any game is a hassle. I get it, you come from a game where something like that is commonplace but this game is designed differently, it's not about needing to be in a party to kill mobs and do quests faster, here the quests are not based upon combat but rather story. Sit back and enjoy it anon.
You don't know shit about MMOs. WoW is the only ever MMO you've ever played. Shut the frick up moron.
You're unhinged and have a persecution complex. Firstly there's two of us responding to you at once, secondly I just saw a post on the front page and pitched in because I used to play the game and have a very specific example of that exact thing happening (a friend being interested in playing then quitting once he realized it may as well be a single player game during the leveling). I basically do not think about this game unless I see things about it, like this thread. I don't even dislike the game, I'm just kind of done with it unless they can do something that catches my interest.
You're a moron. I played this up until Endwalkers and enjoyed my time with it. You're extrapolating a bunch of bullshit because you're not happy that people have a very clear criticism of the game (MMO yet paradoxically is not great to play with friends somehow). It's not even just the single-player scenarios (though that's really bad), but it's rather that there's actually nothing work doing specifically with your friends until you gain access to dungeons, then it's gonna get super boring if you're just spamming that all the time.
My point is if me and my friend catch each-other for a few hours, FF14 is a terrible idea for a game to play, which just doesn't make any sense for an MMO game. What is the point of a single player MMO with players as background actors?
Sounds like a you problem anon I'm sorry, maybe get that checked out.
it's literally not though, I kept playing on my own, it's just that you have to admit that this game is essentially a single-player game with now optional "matches" (match-made and everything). There is really no point to this game being an MMO.
The game is what it is and people like it for what it is, I'm sorry you and your friend didn't like it. Maybe play a game with him that you both like instead of wasting time here?
are you too moronic to read more than two sentences? I literally said in the post I played until Endwalkers. That's hundreds to thousands of hours, obviously I liked the game. You're actually braindead. It's okay bro, you don't have to defend FF14, even if you stop the servers will stay up.
Just stop bro, for your own sake.
wtf kind of question is this? This complaint was as valid 8 years ago as it is now
It was never a valid complaint because normal people aren't obsessed with being in a party at all times and understand that not every game is designed to be played in the same manner. Believe it or not XIV is not the only story heavy MMO and it's not a new feature for a MMO to force you into an encounter solo. The only thing new here is you experiencing something different and being unable to cope with the fact that it doesn't fit your narrow view on what a game is because you've spent your entire life playing one game.
>It was never a valid complaint because normal people
Imagine pulling this card in a fricking MMO thread on Ganker.
"normal" is obviously relative here
>DUHHHHHHHH why would you want to play with your friends in a multiplayer game???
Says it all really.
>What is this WoW player obsession with having to be in a party with someone?
Engaging with other players is typically how multiplayer games work.
>This only started appearing as a complaint during the mid to late stages of Shadowbringers.
No it didnt, shadowbaby.
This aspect of the game was always shit.
>the game always has you playing with others "in full" from level 1.
Unrelated to FFXIV, of course, which has you auto running to the next cutscene more than it has you playing with other players.
The game even creates stupid little purple circle instanced mobs that no one else can see lmao.
>The game even creates stupid little purple circle instanced mobs that no one else can see lmao.
Bro? everyone can see and interact with them.
I'm not talking about FATES, you mindbogglingly stupid c**t.
Yes anon the quest mobs that you spawn by walking into a purple circle in the overworld can be seen and interacted with by everyone.
Purple puffcloud mobs can be killed by anybody once they spawn in
Meant for
An MMO's story can be great but there's zero reason for a game to be an MMO if the story is the only draw to it. MMOs are about meeting people and teaming up to take on the world together, not watching cutscenes. Good cutscenes should just be a bonus.
Not every MMO is the same anon, you have to remember that. This game leans heavily on the JRPG format to provide a story as your leveling experience rather than grinding mobs or turning in 10 bear asses. The normal MMO content is there and it's only the leveling experience that has been replaced.
You don't have to like it but complaining that other people DO like it is just a waste of your time.
You know what game provides a great JRPG story without completely ignoring the entire point of the genre? FFXI. XIV isn't an MMO because the MMO aspects, what little there are, are just bonus content once you finish the actual main game which is a completely solo experience spent watching cutscenes 80% of the time. That's not an MMO.
XI is an entirely different game in what was a different genre, that's like complaining that Counterstrike doesn't have the same weapon modding mechanics as Tarkov. Star Wars Galaxies had a sandbox overworld where you could build your own cities and setup shops, does that mean every other MMO isn't a MMO because they don't have that?
>XI is an entirely different game in what was a different genre
Yeah, that's my point. XI was an MMO. XIV is not an MMO.
>that's like complaining that Counterstrike doesn't have the same weapon modding mechanics as Tarkov
No it's more like playing Resident Evil and trying to call it a first person shooter because there are guns present.
>Star Wars Galaxies had a sandbox overworld where you could build your own cities and setup shops, does that mean every other MMO isn't a MMO because they don't have that?
No, Star Wars Galaxies was an MMO because it was primarily a social experience about interacting with other people. That's the hallmark of the genre. XIV is a solo experience with extra, completely optional multiplayer content on the side. If XIV is an MMO then so is XV.
dusting off this old chestnut i see. lol
You got any arguments in there, or....?
Is FFXV a first person shooter because of Prompto?
>I've repeated the same thing for 10 years straight for free because I am mentally ill
>You don't want to play with me anymore?
I have a suggestion, get new material
Lmao this is a rerun
Seek professional help.
i noticed none of your repliers said you were wrong
Did you also notice he’s been doing this shit for 3 years
no i'm just an XI enjoyer thread tourist
I do miss the heyday era of XI. Modern retail XI is as much a single-player game for 95% of the content as modern XIV.
He replies to himself on his phone to bolster his posts.
Is it three years or ten years? Tell me more about the man in your walls, and come back with an argument while you're at it.
>everyone one person
That's what you were saying here, yes
>only one (You) in that whole chain of posts
So you do admit that you made a post in which your only response to my argument was to accuse me of being everyone who's ever made that argument.
I'm the one seething? Not the swarm of morons whose responses consist of, "OH MY GOD DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT I CAN'T EVEN RIGHT NOW"?
Uh yeah, nice caps
Can you explain why XIV is an MMO and XV isn't?
they're not sending their best. i'm disappointed at the performance of SoD phase 2 as well, but choosing to lash out at an unrelated game means you just want to complain, and as such you don't deserve actual discourse
Broccomeister
/pet
I've never played WoW, but it's funny to see someone admit to playing WoW and then in the same breath accuse someone else of being a WoWgay. Is this where all this is coming from? You have to insist that XIV is an MMO because you think it's an attack from a rival game (that confusingly you also play)?
>this is exactly what you did when two people said you’ve been spamming this old ass argument for literal years.
Is that what you think happened? You obviously have some severe mental issues and I'd suggest you seek some help. What actually happened is that you had no response and you were mocked for it.
Three question marks in one post in three separate sentences
Yes, questions are punctuated with question marks. You gonna act like a big boy and present an argument yet or just keep plugging your ears and screaming that XIV has to be an MMO because the WoW player in your walls says it's not?
Who are you asking questions to?
To the anon I replied to.
>I'm starting to believe there's credence to the claim that the FFXIV is 90% former Warcraft players who just needed something new to make their identity as a surrogate for having identities in the real world.
Ever since late ShB, this is true. That's exactly what's happening which is why you suddenly see the community filled with rabid blizzdrone loyalty and delusion. They just found a new drug dealer.
The reason you’ve gone complete schizo is right here
Why would that post make me go schizo? It's correct. Actual XIV players have no sick blizzdrone loyalty to the product. That comes purely from WoW migrants like this moron
Look at that post, it's a perfect example. He simultaneously admits to being a blizzdrone and then accuses me of hating XIV because I'm a blizzdrone. He's one of Activision's precious little golems built courtesy of their CIA assets.
Because the post explains why your shitty culture war is moronic and why you need to move on
Where's the culture war in saying XIV isn't an MMO because it doesn't fulfill the qualities that define an MMO? Are you okay?
Buster wolf
Did we approach the gibberish spam stage of the argument?
No one is having an argument, it’s fun at your expense
Terry will dash forward with his fist, while asking "Are you OK?". If the move connects with an opponent, Terry will fire a large explosion directly in front of him, while shouting "Buster Wolf!" as he does so. The move visually seems to be a powered-up version of Terry's Burning Knuckle.
Buster Wolf has two variations. The first version is the Special Power version (in Garou)/Regular version (in KOF). This version only does one massive burst of damage on the final energy burst. The second version is the Potential Power version (in Garou)/ MAX OK version (in KOF). This version lands 4 hits on the final energy burst, causing more damage. In The King of Fighters series, starting with KOF XIV, this version has Terry yelling "Here's the big one!" before the dash.
Bro he’s in smash now this isn’t even obscure anymore. Not knowing KOF is pathetic
You can’t expect blizzdrones to play and know other vidya. They only consume blizzslop and seethe over its “enemies”
I don't play fighting games and I haven't played Smash since shortly after it came out because my wife is a sore loser and I have nobody else to play it with.
You are both baiting but I will bite.
>A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or more commonly MMO) is an online video game with a large number of players on the same server.[1] MMOs usually feature a huge, persistent open world, although there are games that differ. These games can be found for most network-capable platforms, including the personal computer, video game console, or smartphones and other mobile devices.
MMOs can enable players to cooperate and compete with each other on a large scale, and sometimes to interact meaningfully with people around the world. They include a variety of gameplay types, representing many video game genres.
XIV is online, can be played by large portion of people at the same time on the same server.
They are able to interact with eachother while doing different things. They can do content with eachother, they can explore together, they can make friends and guilds.
>Ever since late ShB, this is true.
Maybe, but personally I think that it's always been this way. FFXIV 2.0 has always been designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator tab target audience, aka WoW playeers. It's the quintessential example of a 2008-2013 era WoW clone.
Bro is legit melting down nobody is biting his shitty ass stale old muh reel mmo bait
>Is this where all this is coming from?
FFXIV players only see value in their game within the context of how it compares to other games. That's why when you criticize FFXIV, they start howling about how much better and more successful it is than Warcraft, even if no one else mentioned Warcraft.
I'm starting to believe there's credence to the claim that the FFXIV is 90% former Warcraft players who just needed something new to make their identity as a surrogate for having identities in the real world.
See
Why are you replying to yourself still?
>All people who have thoughts or ideas that don't align with the thoughts or ideas in my own head must collectively be a sole bad faith actor with an agenda.
What a paranoid way to live your life.
Why do you reply to yourself?
Why didn’t you answer the question?
Why would I answer a question wherein the premise is built upon a paranoid delusion?
>OH MY GOD DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT I CAN'T EVEN RIGHT NOW"?
this is exactly what you did when two people said you’ve been spamming this old ass argument for literal years. UGH CANT EVEN I JUST CANT IS IT UH WHY IS NOBODY BITING UH THE THREAD UH TEN YEARS UH
Kwab
>(You)
>So you do admit that you made a post in which your only response to my argument was to accuse me of being everyone who's ever made that argument.
>
>I'm the one seething? Not the swarm of morons whose responses consist of, "OH MY GOD DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT I CAN'T EVEN RIGHT NOW"?
No
come on spit it out, XIV thread worldbuilding is more interesting than the actual games worldbuilding right now
I dunno I’d rather see another 6 paragraphs about what an mmo is and your seething replies
I'll just be happy if the 'upgraded' lighting in most indoor areas didn't make your character look like a ghoul.
If they ruin him I'm uninstalling.
You must be pretty blind then, there's treatments that can fix your eyesight these days anon
Hopefully someday you can afford them
> 1 crysta has been deposited to your account
They also make eyeglasses anon, which can be a cheaper alternative to getting full treatment
ALL BIGGER'S MUST HANG ! IF U PLAY ANYTHING BUT A LALA PLZ FANTA OR DIE !
>no horns
If there are no biggers then who will hug_ my lalafell?
hey
show pantsu
Me? I'm voting for TBD
do you mod your game?
>*mortars her*
Sex with lalafells
>tfw have to wait like another year post DT to replay the msq with the complete graphic update experience
Stop playing shitty mmo's grind simulators and play real games
why are some people so obsessed with entering a thread for a game that they hate?
What do you gain from it? Im genuinely curious
They seem to get so angry from any amount of pushback they get too so I don't really understand
It's not unique to XIV, every game thread on this board gets this shit. Ganker doesn't play video games.
FFXIV players tie their identity so tightly around this game that it's fun to watch how furiously defensive they get about extremely minor criticisms.
Idk man, you're the one who comes off as seething over it more than anyone else; considering you're still here replying to literally everyone; but you do you i guess
"they are seething!" anon wrote, clearly seething
>Say something stupid
>"yeah anon idk that sounds pretty dumb"
>lol look at how mad u are
huh
Oh, and I forgot to add that the replies to this will prove my point.
This doesn’t though. You really just don’t get it. It’s the exact opposite of what you think. When ffxiv players don’t enjoy it, they just stop playing and move on lmao. A significant portion of the playerbase unsubs all the time. I’m sure you you, since you get hyper fixated on him, that yoshida literally suggests doing so. I play ffxiv. Games I’ve played recently include balatro, P3 remake, MHGU, I will be playing DD2 and Elden Ring dlc.
I play video games. It’s because there’s no attachment that you stick out so badly in these threads, because when people stop playing ffxiv (like I have done several times) they just peace out completely until they are back. Part of it is to dodge spoilers.
The tl;dr is buddy move on bro your shitty larp will never work precisely because ffxiv doesn’t cultivate that deranged addict that centers their behavior around product. They move on and so should you
>ffxiv doesn’t cultivate that deranged addict that centers their behavior around product.
There is a guy in this very thread who perfectly represents that, even borderline schizophrenic. You can make a case that it doesn't cultivate that as much as other games, but there is definitely a portion of the players for this game who are lunatics. You will never convinced anyone with eyes otherwise.
Never convinced anyone huh, brown spotted
good thing for you I made a typo or you wouldn't have had anything to fire back with
>noooooooo you can't just criticize my special game in public noooooo
Also the "why won't you let me criticize your game" argument has been done about a million times. Reflect on the fact that you are in a thread for a game you don't play with the sole purpose of shitposting and annoying people.
Except I have played it. Why are you making up lies?
I'm allowed to discuss the things I don't like about a game that I have played. This isn't a controversial concept.
Brother, this isn't helping the "XIV fans aren't cultists" case.
Glad you guys play FFXIV and enjoy it then, I need to do some roulettes would you like to join?
No I'm not playing with anyone from these threads.
See
You don’t get it
I can't help but think the same people that do it are the avatar lalaposters seeing as they're terminally online and always in the threads too, and are also the same people who vehemently oppose any suggestions and changes to anything to improve the game
yup. every single poster on this site that has a different opinion than you is all the same person
the advertisers aren't going to like this one
Thought you didn't use mods lil wowfugee? Another lala cultist found lying, many such cases.
WOW players tie their identity so tightly around the game that it's fun to watch how furiously defensive they get about extremely minor competitors.
they think they are part of some clan war
This site is filled with brown creatures and they are notorious for their tribalism since they are animals.
That's why half the board is console wars bullshit and why shazam posting and other types of doomposting became so prevalent. it all falls back on brown subhumans
They're the types of losers who only feel alive when they're angry
Here is a novel idea.
Play another game while you wait for new content.
I basically sub like 3 times a year now and play during free log in campaigns.
And even then i just join 3 hunt trains to max out all currencies so i dont even have to touch rulletes.
So all my remaining time is spent leaning older and new raids for fun.
Yo wtf, no rational responses on Ganker, only anger
This thread is like my friend who insists everything is bait.
You know if someone talks and you are around to hear you can just ignore them if you want to.
There exists nobody without selective hearing, especially people who frame others in the worst way possible.
Anyway that is (you)
same thing happens in discords, there's one dude who constantly talks about osrs in a non osrs related channels
Here's a criticism, the netcode of this game is fricking dogshit and it's embarrassing that fan made mods can make the game far more fun and responsive to play but the developers refuse to implement anything similar out of subborn Nipponese pride.
>PF
>Ultimate
I have to assume it's not the current expansion ones, since like hell if I'd do DSR or TOP with randoms with how strict both of those fights are on needing everyone absolutely on top of their mitigation checks or people die.
Nevermind how differently healers run their CDs as well.
uwu fills pretty fast
tea kinda too
ucob takes a while to fill and dsr and top surprisingly take a long time to fill too
there isn't much of a check for any of the pre-90 ults, mit or damage wise
From what I've seen people came up with and agreed upon PF strats for ultimates so it's not that bad to deal with, you just assign yourself to a role and it tells you what you have to cover. I don't think I could handle the idea of people leaving randomly though, I like to know people are committed.
>Nevermind how differently healers run their CDs as well.
It's becoming common to have standardised PF mitigation plans which define a lot of what healers should be doing and can be run the same regardless of your co-healer's job. IMO it takes a lot of the fun out of progging as healer (which is about the only fun part of healing anyway).
I wonder how much of it baby modes for 'worst possible player'. I minmax the frick out of Horoscope/Macrocosmos/Earthly Star timings on AST and let them auto-expire right when they need to.
Which feels mandatory on some fights since Horoscope/Macro have range checks on ending prematurely, for some fricking reason
Worst possible players aren't going to make it far enough to matter. It's just mit sheets people can easily follow without needing to coordinate it with every pug group, there's nothing special about them.
I just feel bad for any pure healer that gets paired with a SGE instead of a SCH. Mits are nice, but having a shield healer that can AoE heal freely from the center of arena after damage goes out is even nicer.
Well, it's also nice to have a shield healer who can shield during a movement mechanic, and who has Pneuma
>thread going at steady pace
>sudden burst of back to back posts
>IP count shoots up
>doomposting everywhere
>ywn spam reports against a thread you don't like
>ywn be completely mum on other generals or pseudogenerals because you don't care about them
>ywn have the same arguments about the same things every day for months
>all >for >free
I still find it baffling that unsubbing doesn't regress your account to free-trial limitations.
It's because Square Enix are even greedier israelites than Blizzard.
I find it baffling you find that baffling.
You're baffled because you're a cuckold.
Somehow this cuckold has a higher IQ than you.
How many MMOs do that?
EVE. Any 'f2p' MMO with an optional sub.
How would that work? You character would have to be "deleveled"
Worlo can do that cause every character above lvl 20 gets locked. But in XIV you don't really need alts
>unsub
>lose 998million gil
>lose your FC
>lose 30 levels on every job
ur gay
>>lose 998million gil
Gil acquisition locked if above the trial limit, but free to spend.
>>lose your FC
FC remains, just you are locked out of its features for all intents and purposes as if you're unsubbed/trial player.
>>lose 30 levels on every job
Levels remain, just cannot acquire XP on anything above what the trial is allowed.
Jee, that was hard. They already do similar shit with Retainers. It's not like you lose everything they hold item/gil-wise if you decide to unsub one of them.
Why would they bother doing that? So that you play the free trial version of the game with old content that you'll never bother with? Technically better but people who unsub typically do so because they run out of shit to do so I don't see the point personally.
>Why would they bother doing that?
Keeps 'active' plays higher, and adds value to the paying subscribers seeing there are still people around. Restrict them from seasonal events as further mental manipulation to resub, vs. letting people quit the game cold turkey.
Events are for free trials bro
>Keeps 'active' plays higher
If they're not playing the game anymore because of a lack of content then they're not active players anymore anon. People typically unsub after they stop playing due to something not satisfying them. Leaving those people to be "unsubbed players" will just be those people still not playing, maybe logging on once or twice but they wouldn't be active because they're not playing
>and adds value to the paying subscribers seeing there are still people around
If they're not playing then they're not around
>Restrict them from seasonal events as further mental manipulation to resub, vs. letting people quit the game cold turkey.
Again if they don't play then why would they see those things?
People usually unsub BECAUSE they stop playing for X or Y reason. Making the experience much worse for them probably keeps them from wanting to resub because they get their "fix" logging in and remembering it's shit for them for this reason or that, instead of letting them get nostalgic for things and finding an excuse to resub when new content drops.
Again I do think it would be better for the player to give them access to the game so I wouldn't be against it, I just don't think it would help them the way you think due to the reasons people typically unsub from this game.
In all honesty it seems pointless, it helps no one and no one would want it. At best it would allow people who are unsubbed to log in and do event quests but really who fricking cares, if you care that much you'd be subbed or you'd buy the event item for $2.50 a year later.
sure, we all can come up with a way on how it should work
doesn't mean it's ezpz to code and how to trigger reversal after reversal if you happen to not resub in time
if you wanna keep playing without subbing, make a new account, level a new character and ask to your FC to add you to their linkshell
Devs shouldn't spend that many resources on freeloaders. Specially when disgrunted morons let trolls sockpuppet their accounts to shitpost on the General Forums. I can only imagine the damage they'd do while playing the game, frick that.
>IMAGINE THE DAMAGE THOSE DARN DIRTY FORUM TROLLS COULD DO
Are you a member of Square Enix's PR team? Who gives a frick?
I do, and anyone who cares about the game. I don't want trolling morons in leveling/msq roulettes
thank god f2p players can't do frontlines or CC, nor use the MB
ur not alone buddy
post portraits while you doompost imo. like an annoying girl with big breasts, give me something to look at if i have to put up with your shit
Umm...no doompost
I will however share this, my other ones are plate linked so can't see them in Eureka...
I have a question why don't they make a new FF MMO. It surprises me that they've stuck with this for so long compared to 11. Is there a reason?
In general MMOs are supposed to live for a solid 15-20 years with their popularity peak coming around the 3-5 year mark. XIV is a little different because it's popularity peak is still ongoing but started much later around the 7+ year range. They killed XI early to chase WoW numbers and they'd have nothing to gain from making a new MMO in this market when they already have one so popular.
It's massively successful, it's probably carrying SE at the moment. It's the most profitable game in the series history.
>it's probably carrying SE at the moment
Their mobile division is carrying everything. XIV is making them money, but it requires a lot of resources to do so relative to just rolling the dice on 10 more gatcha games.
Bad actor filter if you want it. Set main->filtering->stubs to false so you don't see the minimized posts.
>having to hide posts that upset you
Perhaps troonyera will be more up your speed, pussy b***h
Sounds like you love eating shit. For a homosexual ass thread dicksucker. Frick off, secondary.
I have my own method.
When will it fricking end. Why do you guys torment yourselves with these dogshit threads.
If I wasn't progging DSR with fwends I'd just unsub till DT, watch XIV drama on yt and wait for media tour rotation leaks.
I took a break and came back to with new shit to do and different goals.
Don't know how you can keep playing one game for 3-6 months non stop.
I switch between XI, classic and XIV to keep it fresh.
>do frontlines
That was your first mistake
massively multiplayer online game
A massively multiplayer online game (MMOG or more commonly MMO) is an online video game with a large number of players on the same server.
FFXIV is an MMO
MMORPG
an online role-playing video game in which a very large number of people participate simultaneously.
FFXIV is an MMORPG
FFXIV isn't an mmo or an RPG.
Why not?
It's both, you probably just don't enjoy it. That's fine, there are a lot of issues with it.
How long until the schizo spammer mass reports the thread because everyone is laughing at him?
To the person that told me party finder worked on free trials. Told you so.
Man, I'll never do bahamut coils.
>Man, I'll never do bahamut coils.
You can do them solo at the current level cap of the trial.
>"Terraria is not a flight sim"
>WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING TERRARIA YOU JUST HATE TERRARIA YOU'RE FROM MINECRAFT AREN'T YOU
>"Terraria is a sandbox survival crafting game"
>NOOOOO ITS NOT ITS NOT WHY ARE YOU CORRECTLY APPLYING DEFINITIONS YOU NEED TO ADHERE TO MY SCHIZOPHRENIC MIND
>WHY ARE YOU CORRECTLY APPLYING DEFINITIONS
Can you explain why describing FFXIV as an MMO is a correct definition? Because you've completely failed at doing so multiple times and are just rambling like a psychotic about several different boogeymen.
Can you explain why it’s not, go on give a couple more schizo paragraphs laced with greentext strawmen, caps, and multiple questions directed at the ghost in your walls
>Can you explain why it’s not
I can, yeah. I already started up above which is why you're now currently screeching like a madman. Would you like me to go more in-depth? Because I can, if you're interested in a good faith conversation and not whatever insane bullshit you're doing right now.
>can you explain
>what is this INSANITY HOW CAN YOU ASK ME OF THIS?
Why didn’t you just explain yourself right here in this reply? Weirdo
Okay, so you're not interested in any conversation. If you get tired of arguing with voices in your head, get back to me.
>You are both baiting
I'm not baiting. I don't even dislike XIV, I just believe words actually have meanings and the purpose of genres is to actually describe a style of game. The raw fury coming at me seems to just come from morons thinking I'm a WoWgay trying to attack the game, even though I've said nothing bad about it.
>XIV is online, can be played by large portion of people at the same time on the same server.
The problem here is that in XIV you're not 'playing' with a mass amount of people. You're not interacting. The actual core gameplay is primarily solo, with occasional (now optional) instances of 4-man groups, and even less common 8-man groups. The focus in XIV is not on sharing a world, playing with other people, building relationships, and overcoming trials together. There is a little bit of that in the endgame, but it's entirely optional and again only in groups of 8. Baldesion Arsenal and DSR are the two pieces of content that actually have real MMO mechanics.
Not him but anon you play on huge servers with other players wandering around, fulfilling the explicitly stated and curated roles of healers, DPS, and Tanks. You go through dungeons and raids in varying scales. You unlock these dungeons and raids by playing through content that you can do solo or in groups.
You share the world with other people, you are incentivized to join together in established guilds to the point that there are in-game stat boosts for doing so. You do overworld mob events that are a pain in the fricking ass without other people, sometimes just not worth the time bothering with depending on your class.
You can do your best to cut out interaction at different points, but you're incentivized not to do so.
>Not him but anon you play on huge servers with other players wandering around
You can see other people wandering around, but there's no interaction. It's functionally no different from a lobby game I also don't accept PSO as an MMO.
>fulfilling the explicitly stated and curated roles of healers, DPS, and Tanks
This isn't an aspect of the MMO genre, it's just a widely accepted class system used for a lot of team games. Overwatch has these roles but you wouldn't call it an MMO because of that.
>You go through dungeons and raids in varying scales.
Dungeons and raids which are entirely cut off from the rest of the world. You're not participating in any world when you do these things, you're just going into an instance.
>you are incentivized to join together in established guilds
Are you? Because the way FCs actually work in this game is that people join only for the stat boosts and if there's any socialization going on it happens in discord servers. You aren't incentivized to team up with your FC for content because there's no content you can do with your whole FC. Everything is isolated into small group content. You're not actually playing with your FC.
>Even something as mundane as buying shit from marketboard is playing with other people.
Is Diablo II an MMO then? No, of course not. There's more to it than that.
>FFXIV is more solo, yes, but you are still playing with other people.
Rarely, yes. Remember that the primary gameplay of FFXIV is the MSQ. How much group play is there in the MSQ, really? Even if you don't use trusts for the dungeons, there's still hardly anything. The focus of the game is not on sharing a world and teaming up with people, the focus is on following waymarks until you get to a 4-man instanced dungeon with optional multiplayer.
>these things aren't technically required for an MMO
What technically is required for an MMO, 14 already fulfills. You have moved the goalposts to what constitutes the spirit of what makes up an MMO. You don't think that all of these things are enough for it to fulfill the spirit of an MMO for you and that's your personal baggage, but I list them because otherwise you will say that it's just a single-player MSQ videogame, which it isn't.
If those things aren't enough for you then you are welcome to have that opinion. But to say that the game does not incentivize you to interact with other players is false. To say that it doesn't outright require you to interact with other players for a lot of its content is false. You could take any MMO that you consider to be a "real" one and just not engage with other players and miss out on content there, too.
Your measure is arbitrary and you're moving the goalposts further by saying that all of these things that are incentivizations or outright requirements of interaction just don't count or aren't enough.
>Your measure is arbitrary
Of course it's arbitrary, all definitions are arbitrary. I haven't moved any goalposts, though. My point has always been that the mere presence of individual mechanics doesn't mean it belongs in the genre. Earlier I asked if XV was a first person shooter because of Prompto's gameplay style, or if it was an MMO because of Comrades. How about the Ignis DLC? Is it an RTS? Of course not, it's not any of those things because that's not where the focus of the game is. Those are little side additions you don't even ever have to interact with to complete the game. What few MMO traits XIV has are entirely isolated to optional interactions in the post-game.
>all definitions are arbitrary
Incorrect, and this explains a lot about your reasoning and its conclusions.
Name a definition that isn't arbitrary.
>name a definition that isn't arbitrary
Any that aren't core to our understanding of the basic framework of the fundamental parts of our world. The color red and the color blue could arbitrarily have their names swapped, but with the establishment of red and blue being these two names for colors, further definitions that are based on those things aren't arbitrary anymore because they build off a logical framework. Everything else develops from there that isn't a fundamental concept.
Calling chess a game and calling FF14 a videogame stop being arbitrary definitions when they are based on a framework that goes way farther back from them based on what makes a game into a videogame, and what makes something a game to begin with. "Game" and "Videogame" are not arbitrary when you have more fundamental concepts like "activity," "fun," and "electricity" that they are based on logically.
If you can't accept that then you're not worth talking to. If you can accept that then you can see why most definitions stop being arbitrary when other things are established.
I consneed.
NTA, but language itself is arbitrary. They're just sounds we make with our mouths that we poorly attempt to use to describe our thoughts. A standard in language basically just means "we've been using it that way for a while".
Are you American? How can you be a high school graduate and not know this?
>no argument is valid because every language is inadequate to express personal interpretations
you'd do well in a junior or senior level philosophy course. saying something that is technically correct but completely useless
Who are you quoting?
me. i'm quoting myself, because i'm the smartest one here
yes, and dismissing this step because all 'definitions are arbitrary' just means that individual isn't interested in debate
There's a reason proper debates begin with an agreement on definitions, dropout-kun.
holy shit
you belong in /xivg/ LOL
let me guess, elezen player?
This is something a 12 year old who thinks they are deep would say, sorry Anon
When did I claim it was deep? I was pretty explicit in my post about it being high school level knowledge at best. Were you too stupid to read that far?
we got gigabrain over here
Anon...reread my post
Yes, you're implying that I'm acting like a 12 year old who thinks that they are deep.
If that's not what you were implying, why mention it at all? Did you just think that would be a fun fact to share?
holy shit you're insufferable
what race in xiv?
femroe or femezen probably. just to be contrarian
You're too stupid to engage with what I'm writing. That's fine, I guess. Happy we could clear that up before wasting any more time.
Anon you don't even know what arbitrary means if you apply it to all language, you're wasting everyone's time here.
he's the guy who's on an anti-lala crusade and always posts reaction images when dealing with them
>pseudposting in a fricking xiv thread
>Language as a whole is arbitrary
Something stops being arbitrary when it's based logically on something else, even if the root thing is arbitrary on its own. That's why you can program a robot to do something based on a logical framework and have it still frick up massively on an assembly line.
>You can see other people wandering around, but there's no interaction.
To me, even something as simple as overhearing morons talking in /say chat is interaction.
I can turn it off yes but that would make it barren and soulless.
>Dungeons and raids which are entirely cut off from the rest of the world.
They are still connected to said world. You can see the entrances to most of the raids/dungeons out in the open.
Endwalker even lets you explore the arenas (which fricking suck but eh hopefully they will learn from alliance raids and make more shifting and odd arenas)
>Are you? Because the way FCs actually work in this game is that people join only for the stat boosts and if there's any socialization going on it happens in discord servers.
That's just natural selection at work.
If discord existed during Ultima and Everquest days it would be used the same as it is now.
Personally I don't have that problem because my FC only uses discord for playing other games/raiding and pinging people if they are offline.
>Is Diablo II an MMO then? No, of course not. There's more to it than that.
Since when Diablo 2 has in-game marketboard ran by players?
Diablo 3 and 4 yes but Diablo 2?
>Rarely, yes. Remember that the primary gameplay of FFXIV is the MSQ.
MSQ is a visual novel that acts as a flavor for the world surrounding it.
I get your point but I don't think it matters much because you still are forced to do content with people during MSQ.
>The problem here is that in XIV you're not 'playing' with a mass amount of people.
But you are playing with them.
Even something as mundane as buying shit from marketboard is playing with other people.
Just because you don't interact with strangers while you are out in real world doesn't mean you don't share the same town.
FFXIV is more solo, yes, but you are still playing with other people.
Good % of content cannot be done solo (endgame raiding, criterion dungs, A/S rank hunting, maps, roulletes, blue mage raiding, lately some events even etc.)
Even the fricking dogshit RP culture is part of what makes this game an MMO.
We have fricking stage plays made by other players live.
Maybe other anon was right, and you just don't like this type of MMOs which is mostly considered a "theme park" MMO
I think the crux of the issue is that if FFXIV isn't an MMO, it invalidates the sense of superiority and entitlement the players feel that they have over "other" mmos. If FFXIV is just an arcade tab target minigame collection, it's no longer an outlier (and thus superior), but instead just some incohesive arcade tab target visual novel frankenstein.
FFXIV is all about making its players feel "special", but it's not enough to simply be unique; they must also be superior. That's why the story makes a consistent and decisive point to gently stroke the wiener of the Warrior of Light.
YoshiP really struck gold with this formula too, because these types of people are also more likely to be whales. It's fun to imagine that it was intentional, but I think it's more that they stumbled into it, realized it, and then chose to lean into it on further iterations of the game.
>FFXIV players
>interested in good faith discussion
Maybe when pigs start to fly.
STOP
New-IPs onry, please understand.
GIVE ME BACK FRICKING KAITEN YOSHIP YOU DUMB FRICKING HACK
For me? It was execution skills
>Misery's End
>Mercy Stroke
>Ageha
>Assassinate
assassinate & kaiten are both in pvp
so over
/pet /pet
i left the thread early idk wtf is going on
wasn't mercy stroke horrible for monks? since by then we barely had tp or am i thinking of something else
Mercy Stroke or these other abilities were what you could use at 20% or below on something's health
I liked having to think about it even if it was just a small ability...
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ORBITER ANON
THERE IT IS
ITS HIM
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT
HE JUST CAME BACK
/PET
i'm married irl
the lalas are cool
You could utilize execution skills alright
reminder that the trannies and ERPers only came when the Au Ra got released as PCs
XIV's MSQ structure doesn't even work in singleplayer games since everyone thought XVI was a slog too.
holy schizophrenia
i feel like i should just dump all of my cowries on dyes and crash the market
crafting/gathering materia just before DT comes out to people looking to get BIS for the grind to 100 will be the best policy for cowries imo. also mind you that IS stuff is going to only go up in price as time goes on, but we'll undoubtedly get more ways to go those dyes
My wife, when can I meet you in game?
I want to farm more of those dyes but every time I step in there and look at the spreadsheet I'm filled with dread
Cap was it for me boys
getting the cap is the hard part
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1b1gkcs/island_sanctuary_workshop_season_80/
follow this guy for a month or so and stockpile cowries. get your felicitous tokens too. but do not under any circumstance upvote the guy or communicate with him
UNLEASH COPYPASTIMA
Any idea when we'll be getting the XVI event?
probably will be there to fill a gap during the long patch cycle. may be sitting on it to coincide with the pc release or the DLC release
somewhere around april probs, they're running the FFXV event rn
sometime in March I would guess, around PAX
This man likes amazonian-like women
HE JUST LIKE ME FR
Vieras are the amazons, femroes are the americans
How do I get my gf to fanta to a bun instead of a smelly cat?
cats are better
cats are superior
Vieras are ugly and can't wear hats, at least make her play elezen
>Vieras are ugly
not as ugly as your mom
Hey its tanned scarlet johnsson culturally appropriating miqotes
Catgirl:
>fun, spontaneous, flirty, cool, normal
Viera:
>dominatrix, ballbuster, will probably tie a leash to your balls and peg you
make them fanta into an elf mommy or thighlander
>not loving her the way she is
elezen players are so annoying
>dogshit jank skill gets removed
>morons:"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD YOU DID THIS TO ME"
>every expansion
DoTs and Execution Skills were fun
>dogshit jank skill gets removed
But Esteem, Shield bash, Flamethrower, Seraph and Dissipation are still in the game though, curious
Not for long
Anything more than 1-2-3 is jank to you turbo shitters
>Astro functioned as a fluid mix between barrier and regen healing, and was busy in an interesting way when running dungeons
>half of its functionality gets gutted to fit with a rigid distinction between barrier and regen healing and to further homogenize classes
Yeah wish they hadn't done that. It's okay for some classes to be better or worse at different things in different ways.
>fluid mix between barrier and regen healing
Not in encounters that matter. In the first place Diurnal/Nocturnal was a cop out move to let the new super special HW job fill in both slots rather than take a risk and create something entirely different.
>tfw the entire fun of ninja was the stupid amount of ogcds it had
>completely butcher the job by making it just 123456 gcd garbage
i will never not be mad
um sweaty nin is not 1-2-3 4 4 4 like half the other jobs because mudras are gcds now
You say jank but what you actually mean is 'complexity I don't want to be bothered to learn'.
>dark arts is complexity
delirium rotation was complexity
awareness was complexity and knowledge
Motherfricking KAITEN was too jank for your homosexual ass. You're just moronic.
It's not jank it's just terrible
You could incorporate the kaiten animation into midare if you really wanted to and it'd have the same fricking effect
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I LOVE NEEDLESS BUTTON BLOAT YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GIVE ME MORE GARBAGE I'LL PRESS 2 TIMES EVERY 10 MINUTES it's SOUL okay?????????
>it's terrible
before you needed to know to save gauge
now you just smash that shinten
yes they removed complexity
Garbage bloat =/= complexity moron
Annuda Shoah II is garbage bloat
Needing six bind for basic combos is garbage bloat
Shit you press every 2 minutes at the same spot every single time after pressing another button you press every 2 minutes anyway without turning on your brain is garbage bloat
A buff that had two different uses is not
>everything is bloat except for MY skill
thanks for clarifying how moronic you are
I accept your concession
Dark arts is not even gone, its just called x of shadow now
Wow flat damage instead of a boost my small brain coom
I wish gil had an actual use in this game. Once you're 50mil+ there's nothing you can't afford and can coast for years.
Housing?
>basic b***h house runs 2mil
>spending money on something that goes away if you don't enter it for 45 days
give me 20mil
I'm playing eraMegaten with XIV idling in the background
FFXIV sucks lol.
Btw, can someone post a link to that Midnababy youtube video where she's dancing around and trying on different clothes, I lost it and haven't been able to find it again =(
MMOs need some kind of change in the genre. Doing the same repetitive tasks non-stop for months between content updates doesn't work anymore.
>takes me two hours to do all the roulettes
>takes my gf two hours to pick out a glam
Horny Modbeasts are based and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
Horny modbeasts are all cringy flip women into hideous make ups and body tattoos these days
What's the biggest debate you've gotten into over FFXIV?
unironically this exact discussion pictured, as to which pole lalas are closer to. there's a surprising schism in the lala community about this
Shortstack gays are WoW migrants who brought over their goblin porn addiction.
it always existed. it just got brought to light with the wowgays. it was early stormblood in my uldah sitting days
Hundreds of lala bots walking through the sky in Coerthas, Louisoix right now
There are like 50+ players here watching them
It's been going on for an hour
It's the same bots on repeat, so not literally thousands of them. Probably broken scripts. Very funny.
where are they going tho
Into the west.
>the great lalafell migration
being able to chain abilities into other skills really activates my almonds, it's much better than just spamming a damage ability repeatedly
>pressing Dark Arts 5 times a minute: bad and stupid
>pressing Edge of Shadow 5 times a minute: good and cool
How would you fix this shit job?
i liked it before
i like it now
this is an actual question, not directly stated, and more something you could probably make money off of as someone would probably pay you to figure it out.
which is more engaging: a slot machine that has 1 button, or one that has several buttons required to play it?
And Dark Arts was more engaging because it felt like an ability that connected into another ability. It felt like revving up before slamming down. Edge just feels like shit.
but is it more engaging? why not just have souleater do what dark arts modifies it to do all the time?
Same reason people like Kaiten. It feels great to combo a skill into another skill. Dark Knight right now despite having virtually zero complexity is also totally bloated, they could collapse half the skills (BW and Delirium, Edge and Flood, Oblation and TBN, C&S and AD) and the job would still function just the same except now they'd have hotbar space to add interesting mechanics instead of only removing removing removing because stupid monkeys complained that the complexity was """fake"""
>Edge of Shadow now costs HP to use
>Blood Weapon drains HP again, is more potent, and can have 100% uptime by refreshing with Carve and Spit
>new skill Dread Spikes which drains HP when you take damage
MMOs aren't fun anymore because people are shit. Don't bother.
I saw that! No one's gonna bully you Anon
In SB I got into a pretty big(yet friendly) debate about elemental resistances and classic FF gameplay elements in 14 with some FC friends
It was friendly but I was kinda doomin' over it, learned that 14 just isn't that game over time
I like both Shortstacks are underrated t b h
That's nice and all, but why did you have to tie an avatar to your post?
islandbros. green cowries are mainly for furniture, right?
https://twitter.com/pinklala0/status/1763091256811429910
thoughts?
Slampig
i'm jelly
you sure are orbiter-kun
a wowfugee and a twitter troon, shameful
https://twitter.com/psxbnin/status/1763070283404153287
Multiple verses Marvel slop is the worst thing to have happened to media, unironically.
look closer
Hey Xenogears, decent game I guess, but unfinished
bane...
You will never be a real scholar that uses light and dark arts.
Sounds like you're depressed OP.
Harry won.
Not really
I'm still happy I figured out how to make my shortstack jiggle.
thats actually pretty well done. though i am against modding i can appreciate fan made modelling work
its censored anon
Shortstacks are ugly.