/tg/ miniatures wargamers are obsessed with declaring games dead, because despite being precious about their self-image as wargamers, a great many posters are lazy, socially moronic, crypto-normalgays that can't or won't put in any more effort engaging with their community beyond hanging around stores for pick up games of normshit. A fair bit of that is probably due to autism spectrum diagnoses, but on the other hand this online milieu encourages people into the worst excesses of their condition instead of growing as people. AoS is still in the top 5 on the ICv2 bestsellers list, that is way past the point at which somebody should be introspecting to work out why they can't find people to play with.
Some are also shills, believing that a game is ojnly successful if the company that made it is advertising and selling it at the time. The second the company pulls it, they start screaming about it being 'dead' dispite that many gamers will continue to play it, write custom rules, collect figures for it, etc for decades to come. They are either stuck in the mindless comsumerist cycle (got to buy the latest thing), or are trying to convince others that the game they are currently enjoying should be dumped, priming them to buy the next new thing.
I truly think that a huge chunk of Ganker's current problems are linked to people who bring Ganker """culture""" to other boards
See: People who treat everything like console wars
I also think that the "where do you think we are" meme was horribly damaging as it was literally just a way to mock people for not posting like a stupid butthole
True. That whole metastatic tumor of a board cluster needs to be a full on containment board. Not even /mlp/ where the topic is just banned everywhere else either. Posting there should just auto ban you posting on any other board for 24 hours.
I feel like this is the nicest board on Ganker because my other hobby is watching pro wrestling >mention I have a wife and kids here
Wow super cool anon, so cool you paint with your daughters >mention my wife's opinions on wrestling
I will shoot rape your wife
/tg/ > Ganker
Some are also shills, believing that a game is ojnly successful if the company that made it is advertising and selling it at the time. The second the company pulls it, they start screaming about it being 'dead' dispite that many gamers will continue to play it, write custom rules, collect figures for it, etc for decades to come. They are either stuck in the mindless comsumerist cycle (got to buy the latest thing), or are trying to convince others that the game they are currently enjoying should be dumped, priming them to buy the next new thing.
It's the TORtanic effect leaking from Ganker, people believe that by declaring it dead they can will it into failing
They say the same thing about Magic, even though it's making record profit, and they pretend they aren't complaining about idpol. But then they also say the same thing about D&D, and in that case they don't even pretend, D&D is woke and therefor dead (despite all the normal people that are still learning and playing D&D).
Someone can say that warmahordes is dead, because they can't find people to play with or because they don't like the new edition, but whenever someone says that Age of Sigmar is dead I just dismiss that out of hand as idpol trolling.
>releases stalling
Don’t like the new troll king? Or the new gorgers? The four new hero models? Not looking forward to the new FEC range in a few weeks? Bit of a silly billy are you?
>new gorgers
New warcry band that also looks like SHIT >four new hero models
If there's one thing AoS doesn't need more of its throwaway foot heros. >FEC
BOOOOOOORIIING, and also nothing but leaks lol >Troll King
Only good new model in months
The Warcraft3 aesthetic was always just medieval fantasy with the volume turned up. The Warhammer aesthetic, also, was always just medieval fantasy with the volume turned up.
WoW never had its own aesthetic, it started with the Warcraft3 aesthetic and then got watered down over time.
>ignores the stores that only sell AoS and 40k
Wooooow.
I don't have a dog in this, but if it only looks at U.S. then it isn't going to be an accurate gage of GW-vs-nonGW, and if it excludes GW stores then the whole thing is pure cope.
The page says that it's based on "interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers", so it could be cope anyway.
Sounds like the usual GWgayboy b***hing that GW isn't allowed to exist as a bubble and then claim because of that bubble it's the only thing that exists.
Your argument is utterly incoherent. If there were stores that only sold BattleTech, and then someone did a survey which excluded those stores, then that survey would be anti-BattleTech cope.
The sequel series just didn't have cool ships, and FFG got gutted by Asmodee. I get my fix with Gaslands now; it's faster, the minis are considerably cheaper, there's no cards or power creep, and there's an actual hobby aspect. I still use the XWing tokens though, those are handy.
They were just starting with the prequel ships, which did have some cool designs. Rest is sadly true. Did they kill Armada while they were at it? Never had a local presence like X-Wing used to here.
Locally people bought Armada, but I never saw it played. I did see that they did CIS/Republic going in 2nd but I had dipped out by then. I played Howlrunner swarm and Cirpy bumper jumper with the occasional triple ace list with Soontir and Whisper. Our local meta had the usual problem of >Google what wins >Buy it >Play it
If I never see another jumpmaster in my life I'll die happy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Sage in the name field
That was meant for the elf titty thread, I have had a long day. How embarrassing.
>X-Wing really just died off huh?
No, it was killed by AMG.
As soon as they got the game they changed the dogfight game to an area control game and changed the way lists are built for the worse.
FWIW my LGS did an escalation league with 26 players mid-Corona but I haven't seen anyone playing AOS since.
Surprised Malifaux is so high. It's really crashed from its high point. I remember playing a lot in 2014ish. Maybe there's still a community of people buying them mostly for painting.
Are you gonna sperg out when prople tell you soccer is actualy more popular than american football, even if a questionaire done in Texas shows more people there watch ameri-football?
Half of all GW sales go through their own stores and online store. And even when disregarding that half of their sales 40k is still the number one in America and AoS is 3rd.
I love the minis to pieces but the rules themselves were a literal joke to start with and just when I started to believe I could get over my fundamental revulsion at the double turn mechanic, the rules apparently got dogshit again. I might buy bug princess not-Reco just to paint her
For me, the culling of hordes and the addition of Overwatch (thus favouring ranged armies) in 3rd edition ruined the game for me.
2nd edition was actually really good fun, however with hordes reduced to 10-20 dudes it ruined armies that needed multiple blocks of 30+ (skaven, gobbos etc) and I already mentioned the issue with overwatching, which sucked when your own army of formerly huge horde chaff that were glass cannon melee units now got decimated or wiped out before they could even get in to fight due to elves and dwarves shooting them off when you announced a charge.
Things are supposedly better now that battletomes are out, though early 3e days were not good (especially with all the extra rules for battlefields thrown in).
My Pestilens Skaven army is still nigh unplayable with a reinforcement of 10 (when you get 20 rattos in a kit) and they are mainly melee with a 6+ save...
Culling hordes was a good thing. Frick you for moving units of 60 dudes individually at a time, wasting my limited time on this earth as you make sure each one is exactly 1" away from the other so you can "deny the battlefield" to me which is irrelevant since I was gonna charge you fricking anyway.
We had fantasy for that, and lovely trays for moving hundreds of dudes quickly.
it's okay, Creative Assembly is a few years from being closed as a studio and warhammer fantasy entirely forgotten from the Earth.
Of their most recent 9 projects released or in development (Attila, WH2, ToBritties, 3K, Troy, WH3, Pharaoh, Hyenas, 3K2), every single one is a pile of shit except Warhammer2 which is a dead-end ruined because WH3 is literal broken trash but killed the WH2 audience entirely.
The amount of actually functional output from CA is equivalent to a studio of 60 people, but they HAD 800+ employees (past tense, hyenas was just cancelled and Sega is now firing a large part of Creative Assembly workers from all departments)
The way WH3 and troy and 3K-dlcs have gone, it's clear anyone actually good at game development has left the company. So warhammer fantasy (currently rated 25/100 on steam) is never going to become popular again.
>he doesn't know old world is dead-on-arrival
Poor guy. FYI, nobody is gonna pay $1000+ for a 2k army of boring bretonnian knights in a dead game that has nobody to fight but a $1000+ army of tomb kings. GW isn't going to produce all 20 armies and with GW prices warhammer fantasy is never coming back, it'll sell 20x less than when armies were $200 now that they're $1000, and market of scale effects mean GW would need to raise prices even more to break even on the molds now. No chance of warhammer fantasy ever really returning.
yet you still think about it. Really gets the noggin joggin
I also think about Latin
According to TWW secondaries who have never touched a mini in their life.
Oh yeah? Prove it.
3.0 killed the game
It didn't kill it but it sure didn't help.
/tg/ miniatures wargamers are obsessed with declaring games dead, because despite being precious about their self-image as wargamers, a great many posters are lazy, socially moronic, crypto-normalgays that can't or won't put in any more effort engaging with their community beyond hanging around stores for pick up games of normshit. A fair bit of that is probably due to autism spectrum diagnoses, but on the other hand this online milieu encourages people into the worst excesses of their condition instead of growing as people. AoS is still in the top 5 on the ICv2 bestsellers list, that is way past the point at which somebody should be introspecting to work out why they can't find people to play with.
Some are also shills, believing that a game is ojnly successful if the company that made it is advertising and selling it at the time. The second the company pulls it, they start screaming about it being 'dead' dispite that many gamers will continue to play it, write custom rules, collect figures for it, etc for decades to come. They are either stuck in the mindless comsumerist cycle (got to buy the latest thing), or are trying to convince others that the game they are currently enjoying should be dumped, priming them to buy the next new thing.
It's the TORtanic effect leaking from Ganker, people believe that by declaring it dead they can will it into failing
I truly think that a huge chunk of Ganker's current problems are linked to people who bring Ganker """culture""" to other boards
See: People who treat everything like console wars
That's just what stupid normies do to anonymous websites, it happened a little faster on Ganker than it did on /tg/ but it was always inevitable.
I also think that the "where do you think we are" meme was horribly damaging as it was literally just a way to mock people for not posting like a stupid butthole
True. That whole metastatic tumor of a board cluster needs to be a full on containment board. Not even /mlp/ where the topic is just banned everywhere else either. Posting there should just auto ban you posting on any other board for 24 hours.
I feel like this is the nicest board on Ganker because my other hobby is watching pro wrestling
>mention I have a wife and kids here
Wow super cool anon, so cool you paint with your daughters
>mention my wife's opinions on wrestling
I will shoot rape your wife
/tg/ > Ganker
And even so, TOR still is chugging along, 10 years later. And may outlast Bioware at this rate.
They say the same thing about Magic, even though it's making record profit, and they pretend they aren't complaining about idpol. But then they also say the same thing about D&D, and in that case they don't even pretend, D&D is woke and therefor dead (despite all the normal people that are still learning and playing D&D).
Someone can say that warmahordes is dead, because they can't find people to play with or because they don't like the new edition, but whenever someone says that Age of Sigmar is dead I just dismiss that out of hand as idpol trolling.
Magic is dead because the game fricking sucks and I don’t care that more and more piggies are getting Wizard’s teat.
Magic is dead, dude. No one is playing the formats. People are buying the cards, but no one is playing standard, modern, or legacy.
Top 5 of the smallest games community next to checkerboard more like
>Top 5 of the smallest games community next to checkerboard more like
huh? the frick are you on about?
I don’t like it either but you’re moronic, OP.
>outsold by Battletech
>outsold by battletech
>fantasy coming back
>releases stalling
>just been dawnbringer crusades for 2 years now
It’s over
>releases stalling
Don’t like the new troll king? Or the new gorgers? The four new hero models? Not looking forward to the new FEC range in a few weeks? Bit of a silly billy are you?
>new gorgers
New warcry band that also looks like SHIT
>four new hero models
If there's one thing AoS doesn't need more of its throwaway foot heros.
>FEC
BOOOOOOORIIING, and also nothing but leaks lol
>Troll King
Only good new model in months
The WoW aesthetic is completely untimely now
The Warcraft3 aesthetic was always just medieval fantasy with the volume turned up. The Warhammer aesthetic, also, was always just medieval fantasy with the volume turned up.
WoW never had its own aesthetic, it started with the Warcraft3 aesthetic and then got watered down over time.
>Second most popular mini war game after 40k is dead
We're talking about Age of Sigmar, not Battletech here. Try to keep up.
>only USA
>purposly excludes GW stores
>ignores the stores that only sell AoS and 40k
Wooooow.
I don't have a dog in this, but if it only looks at U.S. then it isn't going to be an accurate gage of GW-vs-nonGW, and if it excludes GW stores then the whole thing is pure cope.
The page says that it's based on "interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers", so it could be cope anyway.
Sounds like the usual GWgayboy b***hing that GW isn't allowed to exist as a bubble and then claim because of that bubble it's the only thing that exists.
Your argument is utterly incoherent. If there were stores that only sold BattleTech, and then someone did a survey which excluded those stores, then that survey would be anti-BattleTech cope.
>Horus Heresy isn't even listed
Tell me your chart is shit without telling me it's shit
There’s a reason for that
WizChads keep winning
X-Wing really just died off huh?
The sequel series just didn't have cool ships, and FFG got gutted by Asmodee. I get my fix with Gaslands now; it's faster, the minis are considerably cheaper, there's no cards or power creep, and there's an actual hobby aspect. I still use the XWing tokens though, those are handy.
They were just starting with the prequel ships, which did have some cool designs. Rest is sadly true. Did they kill Armada while they were at it? Never had a local presence like X-Wing used to here.
Locally people bought Armada, but I never saw it played. I did see that they did CIS/Republic going in 2nd but I had dipped out by then. I played Howlrunner swarm and Cirpy bumper jumper with the occasional triple ace list with Soontir and Whisper. Our local meta had the usual problem of
>Google what wins
>Buy it
>Play it
If I never see another jumpmaster in my life I'll die happy.
>Sage in the name field
That was meant for the elf titty thread, I have had a long day. How embarrassing.
>Did they kill Armada while they were at it?
No, they just put it on permanent maintenance mode.
Which is much better then what they did to xwing.
>X-Wing really just died off huh?
No, it was killed by AMG.
As soon as they got the game they changed the dogfight game to an area control game and changed the way lists are built for the worse.
I am confused. My local shop has a huge xwing section still.
FWIW my LGS did an escalation league with 26 players mid-Corona but I haven't seen anyone playing AOS since.
Surprised Malifaux is so high. It's really crashed from its high point. I remember playing a lot in 2014ish. Maybe there's still a community of people buying them mostly for painting.
>US
Practically nobody outside the US even knows Battletech even exists. I only know my LGS manager and his group and myself, that's it.
>if you take in only GW stores and do every country then GW is still king
>if you don't create a biased subset of data you get a real result
There's no GW stores where I live moron
Are you gonna sperg out when prople tell you soccer is actualy more popular than american football, even if a questionaire done in Texas shows more people there watch ameri-football?
Half of all GW sales go through their own stores and online store. And even when disregarding that half of their sales 40k is still the number one in America and AoS is 3rd.
>half of all GW sales are to people too stupid to get a discount by ordering from an independent store
can't say I'm surprised considering
usually it's the Americans that think their anecdotes about the gaming scene in Smalltown RANDOMLETTERS apply globally
>I don't like it therefore it's dead
Real toddler mindset
Man this post seriously riled up the local GeeDbus shill brigade huh
if AoS is """""""""dead"""""""""", every independent miniatures wargame besides battletech is """"""""dead"""""""", dumbfrick
Miniature wargaming should be dead. None of them have good gameplay.
: ^)
I accept your concession
:^)
Isn't your post suppose to be witty when you post a Carlos?
It's supposed to have at least one blatant pun, but modern anon can't get anything right.
Why did they choose Khorne of all antagonists?
Red and skulls = bad guys, it's easy visual shorthand.
Mechanically it's a good game apart from the GHB DLC shit. But no one plays.
No one plays warmahordes or infinity here either so whatever
That's not Warmahordes or Dystopian Wars.
And it was the best game to ever live
Rats
I love the minis to pieces but the rules themselves were a literal joke to start with and just when I started to believe I could get over my fundamental revulsion at the double turn mechanic, the rules apparently got dogshit again. I might buy bug princess not-Reco just to paint her
For me, the culling of hordes and the addition of Overwatch (thus favouring ranged armies) in 3rd edition ruined the game for me.
2nd edition was actually really good fun, however with hordes reduced to 10-20 dudes it ruined armies that needed multiple blocks of 30+ (skaven, gobbos etc) and I already mentioned the issue with overwatching, which sucked when your own army of formerly huge horde chaff that were glass cannon melee units now got decimated or wiped out before they could even get in to fight due to elves and dwarves shooting them off when you announced a charge.
Things are supposedly better now that battletomes are out, though early 3e days were not good (especially with all the extra rules for battlefields thrown in).
My Pestilens Skaven army is still nigh unplayable with a reinforcement of 10 (when you get 20 rattos in a kit) and they are mainly melee with a 6+ save...
Culling hordes was a good thing. Frick you for moving units of 60 dudes individually at a time, wasting my limited time on this earth as you make sure each one is exactly 1" away from the other so you can "deny the battlefield" to me which is irrelevant since I was gonna charge you fricking anyway.
We had fantasy for that, and lovely trays for moving hundreds of dudes quickly.
Hordes shouldn't even exist in 28mm games. 20-30 dudes should be an upper limit for total army size, not what you have in a single unit.
KoW handles units of 60 men well.
>Nuke Warhammer Fantasy so they can sell ground marines
>GW: I sure hope there doesn’t come a video game that makes Fantasy popular all the sudden.
it's okay, Creative Assembly is a few years from being closed as a studio and warhammer fantasy entirely forgotten from the Earth.
Of their most recent 9 projects released or in development (Attila, WH2, ToBritties, 3K, Troy, WH3, Pharaoh, Hyenas, 3K2), every single one is a pile of shit except Warhammer2 which is a dead-end ruined because WH3 is literal broken trash but killed the WH2 audience entirely.
The amount of actually functional output from CA is equivalent to a studio of 60 people, but they HAD 800+ employees (past tense, hyenas was just cancelled and Sega is now firing a large part of Creative Assembly workers from all departments)
The way WH3 and troy and 3K-dlcs have gone, it's clear anyone actually good at game development has left the company. So warhammer fantasy (currently rated 25/100 on steam) is never going to become popular again.
Just waiting patiently for the Old World, playing some 6th and 8th edition in the mean time. Still, after all this time.
>he doesn't know old world is dead-on-arrival
Poor guy. FYI, nobody is gonna pay $1000+ for a 2k army of boring bretonnian knights in a dead game that has nobody to fight but a $1000+ army of tomb kings. GW isn't going to produce all 20 armies and with GW prices warhammer fantasy is never coming back, it'll sell 20x less than when armies were $200 now that they're $1000, and market of scale effects mean GW would need to raise prices even more to break even on the molds now. No chance of warhammer fantasy ever really returning.
That's a pretty stupid argument, anon.
Nobody asked you to talk if you have no argument because you're a zoomer moron child.
I'm having fun building my Seraphon Vanguard box.
Gonna paint them in Monster Hunter based colors.