yknow Nintendo will always have a rabidly loyal fanbase propping them up, but its funny that for decades competitors to Nintendo's handhelds have basically flopped and now all of a sudden the market is being flooded with handheld gaming PCs. Seems like a trend that will stay since if one manufacturer fails, 10 more will pop up and your library stays the same across all of them.
No. Valve's end goal is always selling games off their marketplace. If the SteamDeck encourages better hardware that people will use to buy games off of steam they still win.
Anon, OP and every sngle homosexual that keep trying to push this narrative that the Steam Deck is bad or a flop is a moron and will not back down on their moronness. You're just wasting your time.
>Well then how does valve losing mean deckbros lose?
I never said this, so I don't see why you're asking me to clarify something I never claimed. >I don't think you were really making any kind of point to begin with
OP asked if deckbros are losing, and the defence that anon gave is "Deckbros aren't losing, because Valve is winning"
I don't see how those two relate, and he hasn't been able to answer that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the only reason another product on the market would be considered a loss for people with the Steam Deck is if that product represents an existential to Valve and therefore its support of the steam deck, which is not the case.
I know I just don't really have anything more important on my plate today.
Technically, yes, as deckbros can be assumed to be a subset of valvebros (who win when Valve wins). However, deckbros arguably win less than non-deckbro valvebros because the former had to shell out a significant amount of money to make Valve win and are left with worse hardware once better competitor decks come out, thus putting non-deckbro valvebros in a better position because they didn't have to invest anything and can possibly even profit from the technological development.
Because they're valvebros. Valvebros are people who support Valve. Therefore, if Valve wins, they win. Or what definition of "win" are you using? There are some where we can argue that nobody who supports a company like Valve wins when that company wins.
It doesn't work like that, valve didnt start a movement you turbo nerd, they created a shitty meme handheld and everyone praises it for not being chink or nip.
>A handheld didn't just make people start buying from steam you dumbass homosexual b***h.
Correct. Every single Deck user emulates old games and pirates the new ones on their pirated Windows 10
what's stopping me from pirating the games and running them on linux through proton
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you can't afford a game I doubt you can afford a Steam Deck. No offence :V
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's where you're wrong, fricko
2 years ago
Anonymous
I doubt it lol but sure
2 years ago
Anonymous
ohhhh no no no no he doesn't know you can buy it with paypal as your payment processor and it's a big enough purchase to qualify for their payment plans
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thats not even your picture, its got a generic Ganker file name. Bro idgf if you can't afford games I get not everyone is from a first world country You do you bro
2 years ago
Anonymous
>needs to go into debt to buy a video game console
yes that's what moronic poor people do when they can't afford something they don't need
2 years ago
Anonymous
Proton lel. Assuming it's one of the few games that doesn't run on Proton, that is.
This was Valve's ideas since the start. They wouldn't care if the deck crashed and burned. So long as the SteamOS is solid they'd be getting money.
Valve's masterplan is to offer a gaming alternative to Windows (goodbye DirectX).
yes, because if linux doesn't take off their entire business is in danger thanks to microsoft
The deck was made for more than a function, think about engineering and developing, and yeah, SteamOS is the turning point.
This is not him telling that to himself. This is literally what Valve said time and time again even back when they were developing Steam Machine.
All of this started, because Gabe was weirdly paranoid about Windows and believed that at some point Microsoft may lock down their new OS to only allow Microsoft-approved software, just like Apple did with their phones.
But it's all whatever, you're just a lame shitposter that won't be bothered with facts
Not even OEMs in China can't get away with selling pirated OSes. Microsoft is in deep with factions within the Chinese government.
However if they sell Windows on any of their devices Microsoft will have forced them into a contract that obligates them to buy patent licenses for all of their devices. If you sell the system with Windows that's bundled in, but if you sell one without Windows they charge you an even higher fee.
So its doubtful they'll get out from under Microsoft's boot unless they go Windows-free.
They're chinks so they're probably installing pirated copies of windows on all their devices. I would still prefer Steam OS tho.
AMD hardware can install steam OS without many issues, shitty devices like the Anbernic Win600 are coming with it now.
And now I'm starting to realize Steam Deck was never about the deck, but raising the entire tide of portable handheld gaming, because if you're buying a Loki and still playing your games off Steam valve wins in the end
>This was Valve's ideas since the start. They wouldn't care if the deck crashed and burned.
is this the new cope? Valve devved a umpc for it to fricking bomb as a marketing ploy for their free linux distro?
Valve's masterplan is to offer a gaming alternative to Windows (goodbye DirectX).
2 years ago
Anonymous
holy frick, you are actually telling yourself this
hahahahahahahahaaha
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is not him telling that to himself. This is literally what Valve said time and time again even back when they were developing Steam Machine.
All of this started, because Gabe was weirdly paranoid about Windows and believed that at some point Microsoft may lock down their new OS to only allow Microsoft-approved software, just like Apple did with their phones.
But it's all whatever, you're just a lame shitposter that won't be bothered with facts
2 years ago
Anonymous
And he's right. The next chinkheld I get I'm putting Steam OS on it because it has been shockingly great in the Deck.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Steam OS runs like a dream, I've seen a big trend of people ricing their other UMPCs like Ayn and Aya Neo to run SteamOS just because it runs so damn well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pushed a bunch of developers to support linux (and they're own version of it) a decade ago >single-handedly funded development of dxvk, for proton integration >selling umpc's at a great loss to push adoption
Nah dude they just want to sell wacky switches for the sake of it.
They need to start pushing harder, if i was them i would start requiring linux native support on smaller titles to publish on steam.
Or just make deals with publishers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hate windows, but I also hate steam. Can I remove the steam app store from steamos and play pirated steam game and gog games?
2 years ago
Anonymous
why do you hate steam exactly?
2 years ago
Anonymous
monopoly
2 years ago
Anonymous
ok mr. sweeney
2 years ago
Anonymous
uhh they don't have the monopoly
there are a ton of other store fronts
steam is the most popular because it's the best digital store front it has the most amount of games and the most amount of features thats why it's top dog
2 years ago
Anonymous
too consumer friendly
2 years ago
Anonymous
Slow, bloated, crappy implementation of achievements, has to update everytime I start it. Bad, unintuitive UI. You people have been huffing valve's farts for so long that you convinced yourself that steam is "consumer friendly" or whatever.
Yeah, this is good for linux in general, (at least when it comes to gaming)
I don't like drm stores either but more linux support is always welcome.
Also i feel like this is a long play for them, wont see real results until some years i feel.
It's only good for linux if other people make open forks of steamOS otherwise all valve will manage to do is turn linux into their own closed ecosystem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so uhh you got any other PC store front that is better than steam?
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is none because it's impossible to compete with steam. Nobody wants to make the switch so it's going to be steam forever. People won't even play a free game like warframe unless it's integrated with steam. They would rather be required to run the steam launcher to launch the warframe launcher to play a free game than just launch warframe directly. That's how much of a hold steam has in the market. You can't beat them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's only good for linux if other people make open forks of steamOS otherwise all valve will manage to do is turn linux into their own closed ecosystem.
Valve has upstreamed all the patches, it's up to Linus and co to take them. There's nothing closed source except the Steam client in SteamOS 3.0
2 years ago
Anonymous
to be honest, I don't think it'd be easy. by default everything that shows up in the "Game Mode" frontend of the OS is routed through the steam app. You could just stick to the "desktop mode" and launch your games from there if you really wanted, though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, this is good for linux in general, (at least when it comes to gaming)
I don't like drm stores either but more linux support is always welcome.
Also i feel like this is a long play for them, wont see real results until some years i feel.
2 years ago
Annoymous
yes you can, install lutris and run your pirated *windows games there. Sometimes cracks don't run under wine but you can try. protondb/lutris forums are good places to discuss issues
*you won't find cracked linux versions of games
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you won't find cracked linux versions of games
yeah you will, just look on 1337x or torrminatorr
2 years ago
Annoymous
I didn't knew this. back in 2017 this wasn't a thing. Thank's anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Too complicated and unreliable. I'm just gonna stick to playing on windows.
yes, because if linux doesn't take off their entire business is in danger thanks to microsoft
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are moronic. What has microsoft done to endanger steam in any way?
2 years ago
Anonymous
dropping official 32 bit support, announcing plans to drop all third party software installs and shove everything in the MS store (basically killing off all third party software distributors) repeatedly over the years, making an extreme low ball offer to buy valve while using the aforementioned points as arguments why steam would die in the next 10 years (this happened in 2012, steam for linux launched in 2013), among other things such as financing the lawsuit that killed the steam controller
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Dropping official 32 bits support
2 years ago
Anonymous
nta But Microsoft wanted to force people into an Apple style store with W10 and settle with Windows S doing it that way when they realized they couldn't just suddenly force that on people. They want that lazy did no work app store money. I don't think they can pull this off due to it being a platform for so much custom business software. Though if I had a billion dollar business to run I wouldn't leave it to chance that MS wouldn't slowly keep custom software open for Ent edition and slowly move consumer Windows to be more like Windows S while pushing out the nerd community so nobody knows better.
Other Windows related issues that effect Steam is is controller support which can jank up Steams way of doing it, DirectX 9 never properly being supported on W10 (seriously some gen7 games run better on Linux without Linux versions because of this shit), and Windows has caused a nightmare of update trouble in recent times.
Only thing I would say about
yes, because if linux doesn't take off their entire business is in danger thanks to microsoft
is the >if linux doesn't take off
Is that it already has. It wasn't bad years ago depending on what you play. Its getting real close now. For general non-game use its been fine for a decade. And its right at that point where its difficulty to transition is balancing out with Windows annoyances/W11. Linux doesn't have to be perfect only less frustrating then MS is doing at the moment. Valve's effort is giving it a push to being less trouble than the coming shitstorm.
Linux for me had 4 weak points. >software not in your repo could be a pain >mounting network drives permanently >RGB (love it or hate its on a lot of stuff) >modern games
Flatpacks/bigger community, updates to managers, openRGB, and proton have fixed a lot of that. Meanwhile there are problems in Windows that date back to XP that are still pissing people off today.
>Steam Deck was never about the deck, but raising the entire tide of portable handheld gaming
I don't think they truly care about handheld in particular. This is about Linux for gaming. Valve needed a way to push this and the Deck is an appropriate choice for multiple reasons:
1. They needed to ship some hardware first of all, because just releasing a Linux distro wouldn't catch anyone's eye
2. The hardware needs to be compelling in some way on its own, releasing some desktop computer with a Valve logo wouldn't interest anyone, but a handheld PC designed to play PC games with good controls didn't really exist yet, especially not at the price point the Deck sells at
3. Having their own hardware aids in the endeavor of providing a good Linux experience - since they can match the software (including drivers) to what they're selling instead of just shipping a distro which would inevitably shit itself on some of the infinite hardware setups people have
Pretty much yeah. But this idea wouldn't have worked at the Steam machines time since Dxvk didn't exist yet. Heck, vulkan was kind of a new thing still, and pc gaming was a joke compared to what it is nowadays (made worse by the fact that almost every game was Windows Only).
I really look forward for a SteamBox system, something a little bit more powerful but fully capable as a desktop, included with a Steam Controller 2. If only for the OS, just so I don't have to use HoloISO anymore.
SteamOS solved handheld PC gaming by having native Suspend/Resume. None of these chink variants have it. So no, Chang, Valve don't need to worry about this.
It's insane to think that we live in a world where medium sized companys can decide to make a handheld console and the endresult won't be complete horseshit. Just 10 years ago this would have been impossible.
I would buy an Odin if it looked like this. Honestly wouldn't mind a 5in version for travel I find 7in screens a little large where the Vita had the right size overall. Beyond Odin so many emulator systems do an xbox layout which just sucks for emulation. Don't know why the asymmetrical think caught on its just so janky.
The Odin has a 6 inch screen, but yeah I agree. The 7 inch screen on my Deck is actually a little too big for my liking sometimes (and other times it's nice, obviously). I like the 6 inch for the Odin because it fits neatly in-between the 7 inch screen on my Deck and the 5 inch screen on my Vitas.
Ah cool didn't know it was 6in. Was thinking the Deck and Switch which to me the Deck at that size is a good LAN machine over a laptop that would do less gaming and cost more and the Switch is a disappointment. Vita I really liked but it was heavy from all its extra dumb gimmicks and just didn't have the power to do frick all, it felt it nailed the shape and sizing well. So it sounds like if Odin puts out a sensible layout instead of the tard layout it really will be an amazing deal for emulation and indie gaming on the move.
Hope they don't do like Retroid and endlessly tease a good system limited by its controls (though retroid does too small a screen for half of what it can run too and Odin has that covered fine)
>Vita I really liked but it was heavy from all its extra dumb gimmicks
That's why you want the 2k anon. I know giving up the OLED is tough, but the super slim ergos are so fricking nice and it feels like holding air or something. But yeah, shame about the lack of juice for emulating. That's the main reason I'm getting an Odin. >Retroid
There's a lot I like about that thing, but ultimately the gba nostaliahomosexualry startup visual turned me off. Really petty, I know.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2k? I've not looked into models in awhile is that a Odin variant with correct sticks?
And yea don't blame you on the Retroid. I don't mind the color scheme but its grown a little stale as everyone does it. But a 3.5in screen with a 4:3 aspect on the one reasonably cheap device that can actually play PSP/DC is sort of dumb. The emulator I have is the opposite, good size/shape for it but can't run PSP/DC, but its at least comfy for what it can do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Vita I really liked but it was heavy from all its extra dumb gimmicks
That's why you want the 2k anon. I know giving up the OLED is tough, but the super slim ergos are so fricking nice and it feels like holding air or something. But yeah, shame about the lack of juice for emulating. That's the main reason I'm getting an Odin. >Retroid
There's a lot I like about that thing, but ultimately the gba nostaliahomosexualry startup visual turned me off. Really petty, I know.
Damn realized you meant the 2k model of the Vita. Sadly even with lower weight its still got the power of a potato and can't play much compared to a cheap chinese handheld. Hopefully AYN or someone with eventually figure out how to put all the puzzle pieces together for that solid carry device.
I have a 2500u laptop, same generation of chip, Zen1, Vega IGP. Difference is the 2500u is a quad core with 8 threads, 8 Vega CU, higher clocks all around, and its still lack luster for a lot of things.
This handheld is utterly worthless.
Man how many fricking models does Aya Neo have in the pipeline at this point? Not even counting the stuff that just came out less than a year ago. >Air and all its variants >Air Plus and all its variants >2 >2 Geek >Next II >Slide
Yeah like I get these companies just subsist from one backer project to the next. But this kind of shit isn't healthy.
They should be real happy Valve has anemic production/distribution lines because the minute an actual big company can mass produce UMPCs all hell breaks loose.
Its probably government sponsored contra revenue, this is a key tenet of Xi's economic plan. These companies are part owned by the government, the government subsides them, and its done for the purpose of domestic Chinese companies outperforming foreign competitors to capture the market.
Logisticslet here
A hardware company my friend worked had the same problem as well when they added a dozen different models to their catalog
Why is having loads of skus a problem in manufacturing exactly?
You need to design and support all the different designs, plus instead of having 1 production line making 1 single type of product you need to make multiple different products and you need to have supply chains to source all the different parts for all the different products. There's literally more shit to do and more shit to manage and more initial overhead in setting everything up.
Logisticslet here
A hardware company my friend worked had the same problem as well when they added a dozen different models to their catalog
Why is having loads of skus a problem in manufacturing exactly?
Adding to that, it makes it way harder for a small to medium sized enterprise to scale because of how much of a clusterfrick things get down the line. It's definitely an approach with short-term goals in mind which makes sense because these companies tend to always start thigs off with a backer page which they then willingly use as a business model going forward.
Like if you thought Valve's production capabilities were pathetic, and that's with economies of scale in their favor, most of these Chinese companies can only produce a fraction of a fraction of that. But that's fine because that's how they settled the approach to their hardware business. Lots of short-term and bi-annual announcements without thinking of growing their enterprise.
They'll cope for a couple months and then these devices will get btfo by Steam Deck 2, and then that will get btfo by Loki 2, and then people will realize it's just another form of smartphone dick wagging
There's not one chinese knock of available that competes with the deck at the same price point (Or even higher price points, a grand and it is still weaker). If a handheld came out with better specs, same price, steamOS, trackpads, better hardware quality control, OLED screen, that would BTFO the deck.
Most likely, but I don't think Valve would bother for a while since the Steam Deck is still preordered until summer 2023. I'd imagine They will give it a year or two of selling them through then attempt another one and take it to retail this time. All depends on chip shortages as well since that has affected the current version.
Can you link me to some pages where I can buy one?
Most likely, but I don't think Valve would bother for a while since the Steam Deck is still preordered until summer 2023. I'd imagine They will give it a year or two of selling them through then attempt another one and take it to retail this time. All depends on chip shortages as well since that has affected the current version.
Another thought on this, by 2024-2025 proton is going to be in a place where things not running will be a rarity. Valve can market it as a console that plays 99% of games and keep Microsoft at arms length
2 years ago
Anonymous
ayntec.com
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://www.ayntec.com/pages/loki-max
This was the page you meant. It is more expensive than the deck by $400 and not out so there's no benchmarks. No trackpads either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Any 6800u or 1200P handheld is more powerful than the deck.
Where DID those goalposts go?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have a nice read of where the goalposts were you illiterate mong:
There's not one chinese knock of available that competes with the deck at the same price point (Or even higher price points, a grand and it is still weaker). If a handheld came out with better specs, same price, steamOS, trackpads, better hardware quality control, OLED screen, that would BTFO the deck.
You can't buy this handheld, or prove it benchmarks better. The cooling might be shit or it could be throttled to preserve battery life, so there's no way to say it will be better
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Any 6800u or 1200P handheld is more powerful than the deck. >Can you link me to some pages where I can buy one?
man, when you pseuds get slapped real hard, you have to go pretty far back in the reply chain to dredge up a false argument, don't you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can't buy one though, you can reserve something that isn't out yet with the only endorsement being a sub human on a mongolian forum saying it will be slightly better
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You can't buy one though
You can literally buy one on that page, though.
>the only endorsement being..
appeal to authority
appeal to popularity
this is shill logic. No big surprise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He literally says it needs to be the same price you moron. Even with a coupon the Loki Max costs $200 more than a Steam Deck with an aftermarket SSD replacement of the same capacity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you need "benchmarks" to show you that a 6800u is going to mog the deck, maybe a nintendo switch is more your speed kek
Believe it or not, the 6800u actually has the EXACT same performance as the Deck at 15w.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18Y411T7rU?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Kv4y137rQ?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Playing it at 15w is literally within spitting distance of the same fps >Running it at 30w takes Elden Ring from a whopping 30fps to 40fps
This is what these posters have been shilling nonstop?
I can burn my battery even faster and pay hundreds extra for a device that gets 10fps more and lacks trackpads?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes because the extra CUs don't have enough bandwidth without LPDDR5 doubling in speed and the power envelope doesn't allow for optimal CPU-GPU utilization. It's almost like Valve knew what they were doing via cutting down what costs they can outside of the CPU being Zen 2 still.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait that's fricking it?
What the frick?
It's literally running the exact same as the steam deck. Why are none of the shills concerned about this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because it's not in the same price category, at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The 6800u is only in the $775 Loki Max anon, it's not what's in the OP device or w/e you were thinking.
nta but this is true. Wouldn't be surprised if the Deck may even be done at a slight loss because it allows more focus on steam purchases now that steam has competitors and moves people away from Windows where Microsoft and its storefront and general dickery can screw up their business.
I don't mind a weaker device personally if its a good emulator/indie device as something AAA heavy I would want a desktop, but some solid metroivania games or old school RPGs on the go would be nice. If it hits up to early 2000s game that has it doing 90% of what I like. So definitely a market for a less beefy more compact Steam machine.
Q4 shipping. Better for anyone ordering a steam deck right now, probably wont get one till summer 2023 at this point. Lets not even get into how terribly overpowered the 6800 is compared to valves custom soc.
If these things can run the rest of the mame games library (SPECIALLY THE U64 games like KI), Sega model 2, Model 3 and saturn like any mid 2000s X86 device can then they would have won as the perfect emulation handheld. Specially with those price points getting closer to the android handheld level.
>Model 3
my desktop with an i5-3570 couldn't even run that shit last time I tried. Well, Spikeout did run with horrific framepacing, but LA Machinegun was fricking black and I don't think Scudracer even booted iirc.
I think the emulator itself (supermodel) is just jank and possibly unlikely to work well on certain hardware configurations. That or I'm moronic and don't know some super specific stuff you need to configure to get it to run properly.
the win600 has slow (2400mhz) single channel ram which cuts at least 50% of the gpu performance. the loki zero with 8gb 3200mhz dual channel would blow that shit out the water
>AMD 3050e >4GB of DDR4 ram
how did this make the deck "lose"
the deck is superior to this thing in every way other than price wich is 399 but for that money the deck is ALOT more powerful
The market is fricking saturated with these handheld PCs and none of them have even launched yet.
Best give it a year to see who delivers and who gets Kickstarter'd.
Aya has already delivered in the past for multiple models without issues, so they're probably safe. Ayn did ship some Odins this year and the hardware itself is a fricking banger for the price, but that's with a lot of delays and ongoing drama. I'm interested in the Loki, but there's no way in frick they're making Q4 release date estimate. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's Q2 2023 launch.
>Loki Mini is 60$ more >Has Ryzen 3 7230U and RDNA 2 vs Athlon 3050e and Vega >SSD vs MMC >Graphics are better than Vega 3 at lower power >8gb LPDDR5 vs 4gb DDR4 >1080p vs 720p >Wifi 6 and BT 5 vs Wifi 5 and BT 4 >Only drawback is a smaller battery
The zero exists to sell this. You are silly if you buy the Zero.
This is also true, the Anbernic Win600 uses the Athlon 3050e and it's expected to come in around 300$. I'm curious where this market goes.
Some ARM devices like the Poco F3 can do up to the Wii and PS2, and even some Switch games. What would some cheapy X86 device have over that? Because with that weak a CPU I doubt it'd ever be able to run more than PSX or Dreamcast
There's a handheld with it already hitting reviews and it's not a great PC gaming device but it's able to play a bunch of modern indies and light 3D games, and emulate everything up to and including somehow some Wii and PS2
>Ayn delivered literally one product (Ayn Odin) and hasn't delivered the second (Odin Lite) >I'm sure they will handle launching literally 8 Loki handhelds by Q4 of this year and ship them out in a reasonable time!
You can call them trustworthy all you like, this is fricking moronic to not wait and see.
Have you guys never heard of too good to be true?
there's definitely truth to this, but a big part of the delay with the lite came from them needing to come up with a video out solution using an FPGA since the dimensity cpu doesn't natively support video out, but they'd already promised it as a feature. I have zero doubt that there will be inevitable delays, but Ayn will be able to get significantly more support from intel and AMD than they could get from qualcomm and dimensity
Impossible.
This is literally the business model they're stuck with.
Economies of scale ain't in their favor so might as well just play the micro game.
>Loki Mini is 60$ more >Has Ryzen 3 7230U and RDNA 2 vs Athlon 3050e and Vega >SSD vs MMC >Graphics are better than Vega 3 at lower power >8gb LPDDR5 vs 4gb DDR4 >1080p vs 720p >Wifi 6 and BT 5 vs Wifi 5 and BT 4 >Only drawback is a smaller battery
The zero exists to sell this. You are silly if you buy the Zero.
This is also true, the Anbernic Win600 uses the Athlon 3050e and it's expected to come in around 300$. I'm curious where this market goes.
Damn these companies must be selling an insanely small amount of hardware if they keep doing this multiple sku shit. Probably 5k product runs. 15k at best.
literally what the frick are all these chinktoy companies doing
its like the steamdeck dropped and they decide to release 40,000 variants of the same device simultaneously
They basically all shat themselves and are scrambling to try and beat out the Steam Deck. Valve took an absolutely colossal diarrhea dump over their entire market-space and the Chinese market is hungry for a similar device that's locally available. Problem being Valve's device is too good.
there are really only 4 players vying for the space surrounding the steam deck
there are other companies outside of this (powkiddie, miyoo etc.) but they mainly focus on the lower end of the spectrum w/android based pocketable devices
2 years ago
Anonymous
To Miyoo's credit they're Linux, not Android
2 years ago
Anonymous
The big 4 are moving towards Windows now, though you can install Linux/SteamOS.
It won't do them any good but it will be incredible for steam. All the press that's been singing the decks praises will be amplified when a ton of garbage floods the market effectively putting a fog of war over anything that could be good.
how does flooding the market with 40,000 variants at the EXACT same time do them any favors? it's just confusing as frick from a consumer perspective.
there's like zero brand identity and it's all just spastic CAD mock-up clown vomit
i literally do not get the appeal of these devices which are trying to target the space the steam deck is occupying. they will literally never be able to come close, in any capacity, by nature of being hardware manufacturers only.
why not just focus on the lower and higher ends? is it just overseas markets that can't get access to a deck?
what can the actual userbase of these chinktoys truly be? i mean outside of collectors which is already a niche in a niche in a niche.
I'm tempted by these handhelds but ultimately I don't see the point when you can get a laptop. The high-end ones in particular cost more and you don't get the benefit of a 15" 1080p OLED screen like laptops in that price range have these days.
I don't have a phone powerful enough for reliable PS2/Gamecube emulation and controller clips are janky bullshit, but I'll forgive you for Dynasty Warriors.
how are people talking about the deck 2 when the first one hasnt even shipped to everyone that bought during the first few hours LMAO
deck 2 will come out in 3 years at least
Well there was a vid of gabe talking about the deck and one of the things they saw a lot of people wanted was higher price points for more power/better screen etc. so we might see an upper tier of steam decks beyond the current models, at a higher price point to match. might be a couple years before they do a full redesign for a steam deck 2
Because it's a PC and prebuilts come out frequently. Granted, even if they announce the Deck 2 in the beginning of next year or something, you still won't get it until a year after you put money down on it kek.
They do not understand the deck cpu is a generational leap. We might get 2-5% better performance in 5 years. Look at the switch for example. That tegra is fricking old. When you are power limited you get very little.
Yep. I think I'm just going to continue playing on my Deck for the "heavier" stuff and maybe grab a cheaper Loki Mini or Ayaneo Air Plus for lighter stuff.
Someone cranked it to fricking 25w and it only bumped Elden Ring from 30fps to 40. I can't even imagine how bad the battery life would be at that wattage.
Not to shill, but Elden Ring is not the best example as it runs like shit on everything. With emulation the results could vary drastically.
It's the same in the videos for RDR2 and Cyberpunk too. There's one for God of my Wife's Son, but I didn't watch it to see if it was any different in that regard.
Someone cranked it to fricking 25w and it only bumped Elden Ring from 30fps to 40. I can't even imagine how bad the battery life would be at that wattage.
They're basically saying "Congratulations Steam deck on getting Windows 10 thanks to GPD. Congratulations on 4500u performance and piracy."
It's some really weird petty anger basically
literally what the frick are all these chinktoy companies doing
its like the steamdeck dropped and they decide to release 40,000 variants of the same device simultaneously
It's important to remember at the Steam Deck's launch that there were Chinese handhelds selling for over 1000$ with Ryzen 5800u's that were literally obsoleted overnight
The OS made android skins look amateurish, which is why some of them are now launching windows apps to map controls and control TPU and stuff. It wasn't very long ago you had to literally reboot and enter BIOS to change TDP on these things.
Well the 6800U is still RDNA2, it has more CUs but those won't be able to stretch their legs properly in the same 15W power budget. I don't know what memory setup that thing has either, the Deck has quad channel LPDDR5 which is very important for iGPU performance, since it does not have any dedicated high-bandwidth memory. If that other handheld has a worse memory setup then it could very well just be choking on a lack of bandwidth. I assume Valve/AMD must've done their homework in terms of how much hardware is optimal to squeeze into a 15W power budget and there must be some reason why the Deck is set up as it is.
You likely need a memory setup equivalent to what is in the Apple M1 Pro/Max laptops right now to get the 6800u to stretch its legs on the GPU side with the 2x CUs from the Van Gogh chip the Steam Deck used and therefore get better performance than the Steam Deck too. Valve likely can't buy the top end LPDDR5 right now since Apple always hogs those parts for quite a while and no one will get anywhere close to exceeding what Valve was able to do. The only questionable thing is Zen 2 inside the APU and 4c8t being enough after cross-gen is over for any AAA games.
>with the 2x CUs from the Van Gogh chip
Doesn't it only have 50% more? 12 vs. 8 IIRC >Zen 2
Yes, this is the questionable decision to me, there might've been some external reason why they didn't go with Zen 3. >4c8t
I think this is the right choice, there's not enough room for 6 or 8 cores in 15W when you expect the GPU to be hit hard as well (which it is). I've even seen very significant performance boosts by disabling cores or disabling SMT, I don't think adding more CPU in such a low-power package is the way to go. Better cores would have been nice, but most 3D games are going to bottleneck hard on the GPU and the 2D stuff is probably lightweight enough (with some exceptions) for the CPU to not really matter.
steamie sisters....
the loki was supposed to be $799.....
what happened...................................................................................................................................................
>lay down some primo race-mix bait >two years later Ganker still has people who seethe >enjoy your impossibly wealthy life with your potato asian wife and children
what a fricking cuck
instead of saying something like
"i love my wife for who she is, and race or anything else doesnt mean anything"
he goes for some moronic "for the greater good" garbage
i would fricking divorce his ass if i knew this wasnt some marketing shit
18cm you can decide if its small or not i dont give a frick
if i learned my SO is with me cause or "diversity of the species" and "to end racism" id walk out in an hour with my bags packed
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He knows what people think about WMAF couples. It probably makes him feel self-conscious so he tried to put a positive spin on it. Truth is it's a case of mutual racial fetishism. White men love asian women and asian women love white men, but it's not politically correct to come out and say it and everyone will think your kids are gonna be fricked up weirdos.
he was dissembling the steam deck but forgot to remove the SD card first
SD cards are very fragile and even a small amount of pressure can destroy them
when i said sd card i meant that it was a micro SD card
i thought it would be obvious since the pic i was replying to showed a broken micro SD card and people commonly just refer to micro sd cards as sd cards
Yes, with caveats. The games will launch. You get choppiness. Frame-skip or slow-down can be used to compensate. 2d games will run better.
There are PC ports of many of the big PS2 releases that will run on this.
Name your PS2 game you want to play and we'll tell you what to expect.
the form factor and build quality of these things are just what fricking kill it for me
they’re just too big and uncomfortable to be portable gaming machines
the gpd win 1 had roughly the same dimensions of a 3ds xl and felt great to hold, but it was underpowered and had shitty buttons so I sold it on ebay.
>Did you buy any of the other GPD win systems?
no, they fricked with the form factor after the gpd win 1, also I'm not paying that much fricking money for a technology thats not fully viable yet
No m8, the Loki and Aya Neo Air are the same size as a shitch lite, which is actually pretty comfy. I think the Anbernic Win600 is also around this size. If you're only looking at the stronkest stuff like the Deck/Next/OneX/etc then of fricking course they're going to be big.
>no trackpads
hot damn I love being limited to only games that are playable with a functionable controller layout and having an absolutely terrible time trying to do anything PC-like on a miniature PC device
take my money right now xin xiping
I assume "Painting Cakes" is some kind of slang term that's not translating.
Calling the Aya and Ayn ".ppt files" is fricking hilarious though.
"They're trying to get people to preorder a PowerPoint specsheet without so much as an engineering sample, so they can get paid in a hurry"
i literally do not get the appeal of these devices which are trying to target the space the steam deck is occupying. they will literally never be able to come close, in any capacity, by nature of being hardware manufacturers only.
why not just focus on the lower and higher ends? is it just overseas markets that can't get access to a deck?
what can the actual userbase of these chinktoys truly be? i mean outside of collectors which is already a niche in a niche in a niche.
They're just portable PCs.
They'll have the exact same market conditions as pre-builds, laptops or maybe even mobile phones. Just on a much more niche scale.
I actually like the upcoming Mendocino devices because they look like cheap cheery little emulation PC's, would be fun to slap Steam OS and RetroArch on
That AYA one that's just straight up using a modern i3 also looks good for this purpose
There's definitely an attempt to 'one up' the steam deck by slapping a more powerful chip in there though, the 6600u devices look like straight up scams and the 6800u devices seem to perform better but only at high wattages.
What do you want out of your handheld? If you want low-end emulation (up to PS1) scope out the Miyoo Mini. If you want something a bit more powerful look at the Retroid Pocket 2+ (the + is important).
Could've sworn I saw people selling Decks not too long ago for not too much more expensive than retail.
In fact I just checked and yeah, 64GB models going for $600~.
Expensive still but not that stupid.
I'd take anything at this point that isn't straight up ABXY and L buttons, give me a single Thinkpad nipple for mouse control, give me a tiny little mousepad, do the Vita back touch, anything
If you just want to emulate you're probably better off with the Odin for the far superior battery life. This is for that AND 2D as well as old stuff on PC.
>chinkshit shilling
it seems you have evolved, bugmen, I only saw you crawl out when somebody mentioned Steam Deck. not buying either handhelds, but this is really pathetic and VERY obvious
>steamdeck in a single zip of the tux and a squeeze of sphincter managed to dump on the entire chinese retro handheld market while simulatenously creating an entirely new line of products that consolizes the PC via unique control schemes and software
not him but look at redmi buds 3 pro, taotronics soundliberty, anker soundcore liberty 2 pro upgraded version, and check scarblr for other cheap suggestions
If any of them can run Windows or Linux they can run SteamOS. It would actually be advisable to since SteamOS is a pretty clean and functional OS to use, though IIRC you won't get the TDP/underclock settings that you do on an actual Steamer Dick.
I kinda assumed the shader compiles and whatnot was made specific to the hardware that steamdeck and steamOS uses. But if these can use steamOS no problem, why do they come with windows10 installed instead of steamOS?
, how hard Steam Deck/Valve has spanked them is a point of sore pride for them. They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
Valves goal is to sell the store, not the deck. The deck is just an example of handheld delivery system. They want others to sell the hardware, and they provide the software.
They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
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imagine trusting a chingerchonger with your steam account
2 years ago
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>Sure, but scroll up a bit to
translate plxs, how hard Steam Deck/Valve has spanked them is a point of sore pride for them. They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
But that's just GPD, not Aya or any of the other brands. GPD are notoriously moronic, both product design-wise and just generally.
2 years ago
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It's kind of crazy how GPD basically started this market 6 years ago and now they're the biggest fricking losers in the field.
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Not the first time this has happened in the industry.
Valves goal is to sell the store, not the deck. The deck is just an example of handheld delivery system. They want others to sell the hardware, and they provide the software.
SteamOS is geared towards running games in Steam via Proton, and while you can run Windows software under Linux (SteamOS), it's not 100%. Windows just werks and is good enough for most consumers.
The thing is the producers are now starting to offer and advertise their products with Steam OS, which is a pretty fast shift from nothing but Windows when you consider the fact this handheld variant of Steam OS has only been out for a couple months. By next year I don't think it's impossible for some of these devices to be offered with Steam OS as the primary or only option.
I'm not gonna use steamos. I'm just not. Frick valve for trying to force everyone on their platform. I'm gonna continue pirating steam games on windows and there's nothing you shills can do to convince to stop. I'd literally rather just buy an original switch because at least that has joycon motion controls.
The Odin 2 back buttons, so I'm pretty sure this does as well.
Is this a good option? I really wanted a deck but they don't ship to australia
It looks like it should be, but Ayn has been having a lot of issues with delays and drama for the Odin. There's no way any of these Loki's will be out by Q4 like they said, at least. It may also be worthwhile for you to look into the Aya Neo Airs. The Air Plus has a couple similar cheap options, and apparently they're going to start shipping some as soon as this September.
Good to know, thanks. Unfortunately i'm from one of those countries that steam deck will never come to, and importing would cost insane money (on top of getting one in the first place). But we do have access to aliexpress and such...
Damn
switchsters this can't be fricking happening
can nintendo sue these companies for pirating their design?
>can nintendo sue these companies for pirating their design?
lol Nintendo didn't create a handheld you dumb frick.
PS5 only has 5 games mr snoy
Oh stop lying; you never cared for Nintendo
They stole the design of the psp
yknow Nintendo will always have a rabidly loyal fanbase propping them up, but its funny that for decades competitors to Nintendo's handhelds have basically flopped and now all of a sudden the market is being flooded with handheld gaming PCs. Seems like a trend that will stay since if one manufacturer fails, 10 more will pop up and your library stays the same across all of them.
Nintendo stole the design off this thing
This!
We should start a gofund me for Nintendo to help them cover their legal fees tho.
No. Valve's end goal is always selling games off their marketplace. If the SteamDeck encourages better hardware that people will use to buy games off of steam they still win.
how does valve winning mean deckbros win?
kys
If you enjoy playing games on the hardware you win. Why does other hardware existing negate your own experience?
It doesn't, but that doesn't answer my question.
Well then how does valve losing mean deckbros lose? I don't think you were really making any kind of point to begin with
Anon, OP and every sngle homosexual that keep trying to push this narrative that the Steam Deck is bad or a flop is a moron and will not back down on their moronness. You're just wasting your time.
>Well then how does valve losing mean deckbros lose?
I never said this, so I don't see why you're asking me to clarify something I never claimed.
>I don't think you were really making any kind of point to begin with
OP asked if deckbros are losing, and the defence that anon gave is "Deckbros aren't losing, because Valve is winning"
I don't see how those two relate, and he hasn't been able to answer that.
Because the only reason another product on the market would be considered a loss for people with the Steam Deck is if that product represents an existential to Valve and therefore its support of the steam deck, which is not the case.
I know I just don't really have anything more important on my plate today.
Making an effort to ween chuds off MS/Apple OS by driving them towards steamOS aka Linux is a moral win
Technically, yes, as deckbros can be assumed to be a subset of valvebros (who win when Valve wins). However, deckbros arguably win less than non-deckbro valvebros because the former had to shell out a significant amount of money to make Valve win and are left with worse hardware once better competitor decks come out, thus putting non-deckbro valvebros in a better position because they didn't have to invest anything and can possibly even profit from the technological development.
>Technically, yes, as deckbros can be assumed to be a subset of valvebros (who win when Valve wins)
How do "valvebros" win when valve wins?
Because they're valvebros. Valvebros are people who support Valve. Therefore, if Valve wins, they win. Or what definition of "win" are you using? There are some where we can argue that nobody who supports a company like Valve wins when that company wins.
It doesn't work like that, valve didnt start a movement you turbo nerd, they created a shitty meme handheld and everyone praises it for not being chink or nip.
Where do you think people buy these games from dumbass? They don't buy a mini-pc to visit the eshop moron.
You are so moronic. A handheld didn't just make people start buying from steam you dumbass homosexual b***h.
That's like saying just becuase people brought the Switch doesn't mean they'll play games on it.
See how moronic that sounds? That how you sound.
>A handheld didn't just make people start buying from steam you dumbass homosexual b***h.
Correct. Every single Deck user emulates old games and pirates the new ones on their pirated Windows 10
what's stopping me from pirating the games and running them on linux through proton
If you can't afford a game I doubt you can afford a Steam Deck. No offence :V
that's where you're wrong, fricko
I doubt it lol but sure
ohhhh no no no no he doesn't know you can buy it with paypal as your payment processor and it's a big enough purchase to qualify for their payment plans
Thats not even your picture, its got a generic Ganker file name. Bro idgf if you can't afford games I get not everyone is from a first world country You do you bro
>needs to go into debt to buy a video game console
yes that's what moronic poor people do when they can't afford something they don't need
Proton lel. Assuming it's one of the few games that doesn't run on Proton, that is.
>it doesn't NEED to sell!
>fortnite leaks and news
lmao what a miserable existence.
>windows
talk about missing the point
They already said they're looking into Steam OS support.
Seriously, half of the price must be for the licensing cost.
They're chinks so they're probably installing pirated copies of windows on all their devices. I would still prefer Steam OS tho.
Not even OEMs in China can't get away with selling pirated OSes. Microsoft is in deep with factions within the Chinese government.
However if they sell Windows on any of their devices Microsoft will have forced them into a contract that obligates them to buy patent licenses for all of their devices. If you sell the system with Windows that's bundled in, but if you sell one without Windows they charge you an even higher fee.
So its doubtful they'll get out from under Microsoft's boot unless they go Windows-free.
AMD hardware can install steam OS without many issues, shitty devices like the Anbernic Win600 are coming with it now.
And now I'm starting to realize Steam Deck was never about the deck, but raising the entire tide of portable handheld gaming, because if you're buying a Loki and still playing your games off Steam valve wins in the end
>now I'm starting to realize
didn't Gaben mention this in one of the early interviews?
Valve has always used their products/games to promote their store.
This was Valve's ideas since the start. They wouldn't care if the deck crashed and burned. So long as the SteamOS is solid they'd be getting money.
We already saw this with Steam Machines. Only last time they got lazy with producing their own hardware and outsourced it in the end.
>This was Valve's ideas since the start. They wouldn't care if the deck crashed and burned.
is this the new cope? Valve devved a umpc for it to fricking bomb as a marketing ploy for their free linux distro?
Valve's masterplan is to offer a gaming alternative to Windows (goodbye DirectX).
holy frick, you are actually telling yourself this
hahahahahahahahaaha
This is not him telling that to himself. This is literally what Valve said time and time again even back when they were developing Steam Machine.
All of this started, because Gabe was weirdly paranoid about Windows and believed that at some point Microsoft may lock down their new OS to only allow Microsoft-approved software, just like Apple did with their phones.
But it's all whatever, you're just a lame shitposter that won't be bothered with facts
And he's right. The next chinkheld I get I'm putting Steam OS on it because it has been shockingly great in the Deck.
Steam OS runs like a dream, I've seen a big trend of people ricing their other UMPCs like Ayn and Aya Neo to run SteamOS just because it runs so damn well.
>pushed a bunch of developers to support linux (and they're own version of it) a decade ago
>single-handedly funded development of dxvk, for proton integration
>selling umpc's at a great loss to push adoption
Nah dude they just want to sell wacky switches for the sake of it.
They need to start pushing harder, if i was them i would start requiring linux native support on smaller titles to publish on steam.
Or just make deals with publishers.
I hate windows, but I also hate steam. Can I remove the steam app store from steamos and play pirated steam game and gog games?
why do you hate steam exactly?
monopoly
ok mr. sweeney
uhh they don't have the monopoly
there are a ton of other store fronts
steam is the most popular because it's the best digital store front it has the most amount of games and the most amount of features thats why it's top dog
too consumer friendly
Slow, bloated, crappy implementation of achievements, has to update everytime I start it. Bad, unintuitive UI. You people have been huffing valve's farts for so long that you convinced yourself that steam is "consumer friendly" or whatever.
It's only good for linux if other people make open forks of steamOS otherwise all valve will manage to do is turn linux into their own closed ecosystem.
so uhh you got any other PC store front that is better than steam?
There is none because it's impossible to compete with steam. Nobody wants to make the switch so it's going to be steam forever. People won't even play a free game like warframe unless it's integrated with steam. They would rather be required to run the steam launcher to launch the warframe launcher to play a free game than just launch warframe directly. That's how much of a hold steam has in the market. You can't beat them.
>It's only good for linux if other people make open forks of steamOS otherwise all valve will manage to do is turn linux into their own closed ecosystem.
Valve has upstreamed all the patches, it's up to Linus and co to take them. There's nothing closed source except the Steam client in SteamOS 3.0
to be honest, I don't think it'd be easy. by default everything that shows up in the "Game Mode" frontend of the OS is routed through the steam app. You could just stick to the "desktop mode" and launch your games from there if you really wanted, though.
Yeah, this is good for linux in general, (at least when it comes to gaming)
I don't like drm stores either but more linux support is always welcome.
Also i feel like this is a long play for them, wont see real results until some years i feel.
yes you can, install lutris and run your pirated *windows games there. Sometimes cracks don't run under wine but you can try. protondb/lutris forums are good places to discuss issues
*you won't find cracked linux versions of games
>you won't find cracked linux versions of games
yeah you will, just look on 1337x or torrminatorr
I didn't knew this. back in 2017 this wasn't a thing. Thank's anon
Too complicated and unreliable. I'm just gonna stick to playing on windows.
yes, because if linux doesn't take off their entire business is in danger thanks to microsoft
You are moronic. What has microsoft done to endanger steam in any way?
dropping official 32 bit support, announcing plans to drop all third party software installs and shove everything in the MS store (basically killing off all third party software distributors) repeatedly over the years, making an extreme low ball offer to buy valve while using the aforementioned points as arguments why steam would die in the next 10 years (this happened in 2012, steam for linux launched in 2013), among other things such as financing the lawsuit that killed the steam controller
>Dropping official 32 bits support
nta But Microsoft wanted to force people into an Apple style store with W10 and settle with Windows S doing it that way when they realized they couldn't just suddenly force that on people. They want that lazy did no work app store money. I don't think they can pull this off due to it being a platform for so much custom business software. Though if I had a billion dollar business to run I wouldn't leave it to chance that MS wouldn't slowly keep custom software open for Ent edition and slowly move consumer Windows to be more like Windows S while pushing out the nerd community so nobody knows better.
Other Windows related issues that effect Steam is is controller support which can jank up Steams way of doing it, DirectX 9 never properly being supported on W10 (seriously some gen7 games run better on Linux without Linux versions because of this shit), and Windows has caused a nightmare of update trouble in recent times.
Only thing I would say about
is the
>if linux doesn't take off
Is that it already has. It wasn't bad years ago depending on what you play. Its getting real close now. For general non-game use its been fine for a decade. And its right at that point where its difficulty to transition is balancing out with Windows annoyances/W11. Linux doesn't have to be perfect only less frustrating then MS is doing at the moment. Valve's effort is giving it a push to being less trouble than the coming shitstorm.
Linux for me had 4 weak points.
>software not in your repo could be a pain
>mounting network drives permanently
>RGB (love it or hate its on a lot of stuff)
>modern games
Flatpacks/bigger community, updates to managers, openRGB, and proton have fixed a lot of that. Meanwhile there are problems in Windows that date back to XP that are still pissing people off today.
So we'll see, but it seems good.
The deck was made for more than a function, think about engineering and developing, and yeah, SteamOS is the turning point.
It's steam machines but this time they made a flagship device to promote it like they should've in the first place.
>Steam Deck was never about the deck, but raising the entire tide of portable handheld gaming
I don't think they truly care about handheld in particular. This is about Linux for gaming. Valve needed a way to push this and the Deck is an appropriate choice for multiple reasons:
1. They needed to ship some hardware first of all, because just releasing a Linux distro wouldn't catch anyone's eye
2. The hardware needs to be compelling in some way on its own, releasing some desktop computer with a Valve logo wouldn't interest anyone, but a handheld PC designed to play PC games with good controls didn't really exist yet, especially not at the price point the Deck sells at
3. Having their own hardware aids in the endeavor of providing a good Linux experience - since they can match the software (including drivers) to what they're selling instead of just shipping a distro which would inevitably shit itself on some of the infinite hardware setups people have
Pretty much yeah. But this idea wouldn't have worked at the Steam machines time since Dxvk didn't exist yet. Heck, vulkan was kind of a new thing still, and pc gaming was a joke compared to what it is nowadays (made worse by the fact that almost every game was Windows Only).
I really look forward for a SteamBox system, something a little bit more powerful but fully capable as a desktop, included with a Steam Controller 2. If only for the OS, just so I don't have to use HoloISO anymore.
i dunno about win 11, but wasnt 10 a free licence on mobile but not laptop devices?
>winblows
Please tell me they didn't put windows 11 bloatfest
i mean it is really cheap but it's also much MUCH weaker than the deck
it's going to be fine for indies
SteamOS solved handheld PC gaming by having native Suspend/Resume. None of these chink variants have it. So no, Chang, Valve don't need to worry about this.
It's insane to think that we live in a world where medium sized companys can decide to make a handheld console and the endresult won't be complete horseshit. Just 10 years ago this would have been impossible.
>incorrect analog stick positions, again
feels bad man.
I would buy an Odin if it looked like this. Honestly wouldn't mind a 5in version for travel I find 7in screens a little large where the Vita had the right size overall. Beyond Odin so many emulator systems do an xbox layout which just sucks for emulation. Don't know why the asymmetrical think caught on its just so janky.
The Odin has a 6 inch screen, but yeah I agree. The 7 inch screen on my Deck is actually a little too big for my liking sometimes (and other times it's nice, obviously). I like the 6 inch for the Odin because it fits neatly in-between the 7 inch screen on my Deck and the 5 inch screen on my Vitas.
Ah cool didn't know it was 6in. Was thinking the Deck and Switch which to me the Deck at that size is a good LAN machine over a laptop that would do less gaming and cost more and the Switch is a disappointment. Vita I really liked but it was heavy from all its extra dumb gimmicks and just didn't have the power to do frick all, it felt it nailed the shape and sizing well. So it sounds like if Odin puts out a sensible layout instead of the tard layout it really will be an amazing deal for emulation and indie gaming on the move.
Hope they don't do like Retroid and endlessly tease a good system limited by its controls (though retroid does too small a screen for half of what it can run too and Odin has that covered fine)
>Vita I really liked but it was heavy from all its extra dumb gimmicks
That's why you want the 2k anon. I know giving up the OLED is tough, but the super slim ergos are so fricking nice and it feels like holding air or something. But yeah, shame about the lack of juice for emulating. That's the main reason I'm getting an Odin.
>Retroid
There's a lot I like about that thing, but ultimately the gba nostaliahomosexualry startup visual turned me off. Really petty, I know.
2k? I've not looked into models in awhile is that a Odin variant with correct sticks?
And yea don't blame you on the Retroid. I don't mind the color scheme but its grown a little stale as everyone does it. But a 3.5in screen with a 4:3 aspect on the one reasonably cheap device that can actually play PSP/DC is sort of dumb. The emulator I have is the opposite, good size/shape for it but can't run PSP/DC, but its at least comfy for what it can do.
Damn realized you meant the 2k model of the Vita. Sadly even with lower weight its still got the power of a potato and can't play much compared to a cheap chinese handheld. Hopefully AYN or someone with eventually figure out how to put all the puzzle pieces together for that solid carry device.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Athlon-Silver-3050e-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.484464.0.html
FRICKING LOL LMAO
2 Zen1 cores at 1,4ghz
3 Vega CU
They had to get to that price somehow man
it's only meant to play indies and emulate old consoles
I have a 2500u laptop, same generation of chip, Zen1, Vega IGP. Difference is the 2500u is a quad core with 8 threads, 8 Vega CU, higher clocks all around, and its still lack luster for a lot of things.
This handheld is utterly worthless.
it's chinese it will blow up
>3050e
KEK
This thing is going to be great for emulators and I might pick it up for that, but have fun playing PC games on it
PC games haven’t advanced in terms of graphics for like 10 years.
Why are these chinks like this? A dozen fricking SKUs is complete hell to produce for on the manufacturing line.
They'll never be able to scale up reliably let alone produce an actual meaningful number of hardware units.
>why do ants behave like ants
Because it sells preorders. The Ayn Odin Lite has basically not launched yet.
Man how many fricking models does Aya Neo have in the pipeline at this point? Not even counting the stuff that just came out less than a year ago.
>Air and all its variants
>Air Plus and all its variants
>2
>2 Geek
>Next II
>Slide
Yeah like I get these companies just subsist from one backer project to the next. But this kind of shit isn't healthy.
They should be real happy Valve has anemic production/distribution lines because the minute an actual big company can mass produce UMPCs all hell breaks loose.
Its probably government sponsored contra revenue, this is a key tenet of Xi's economic plan. These companies are part owned by the government, the government subsides them, and its done for the purpose of domestic Chinese companies outperforming foreign competitors to capture the market.
Logisticslet here
A hardware company my friend worked had the same problem as well when they added a dozen different models to their catalog
Why is having loads of skus a problem in manufacturing exactly?
You need to design and support all the different designs, plus instead of having 1 production line making 1 single type of product you need to make multiple different products and you need to have supply chains to source all the different parts for all the different products. There's literally more shit to do and more shit to manage and more initial overhead in setting everything up.
Adding to that, it makes it way harder for a small to medium sized enterprise to scale because of how much of a clusterfrick things get down the line. It's definitely an approach with short-term goals in mind which makes sense because these companies tend to always start thigs off with a backer page which they then willingly use as a business model going forward.
Like if you thought Valve's production capabilities were pathetic, and that's with economies of scale in their favor, most of these Chinese companies can only produce a fraction of a fraction of that. But that's fine because that's how they settled the approach to their hardware business. Lots of short-term and bi-annual announcements without thinking of growing their enterprise.
Extreem cope from Steamies in this thread.
They'll cope for a couple months and then these devices will get btfo by Steam Deck 2, and then that will get btfo by Loki 2, and then people will realize it's just another form of smartphone dick wagging
There's not one chinese knock of available that competes with the deck at the same price point (Or even higher price points, a grand and it is still weaker). If a handheld came out with better specs, same price, steamOS, trackpads, better hardware quality control, OLED screen, that would BTFO the deck.
I feel like the Deck v2 will be that machine before anyone else creates it.
Most likely, but I don't think Valve would bother for a while since the Steam Deck is still preordered until summer 2023. I'd imagine They will give it a year or two of selling them through then attempt another one and take it to retail this time. All depends on chip shortages as well since that has affected the current version.
Any 6800u or 1200P handheld is more powerful than the deck.
Can you link me to some pages where I can buy one?
Another thought on this, by 2024-2025 proton is going to be in a place where things not running will be a rarity. Valve can market it as a console that plays 99% of games and keep Microsoft at arms length
ayntec.com
https://www.ayntec.com/pages/loki-max
This was the page you meant. It is more expensive than the deck by $400 and not out so there's no benchmarks. No trackpads either.
>Any 6800u or 1200P handheld is more powerful than the deck.
Where DID those goalposts go?
Have a nice read of where the goalposts were you illiterate mong:
You can't buy this handheld, or prove it benchmarks better. The cooling might be shit or it could be throttled to preserve battery life, so there's no way to say it will be better
>Any 6800u or 1200P handheld is more powerful than the deck.
>Can you link me to some pages where I can buy one?
man, when you pseuds get slapped real hard, you have to go pretty far back in the reply chain to dredge up a false argument, don't you?
You can't buy one though, you can reserve something that isn't out yet with the only endorsement being a sub human on a mongolian forum saying it will be slightly better
>You can't buy one though
You can literally buy one on that page, though.
>the only endorsement being..
appeal to authority
appeal to popularity
this is shill logic. No big surprise.
He literally says it needs to be the same price you moron. Even with a coupon the Loki Max costs $200 more than a Steam Deck with an aftermarket SSD replacement of the same capacity.
If you need "benchmarks" to show you that a 6800u is going to mog the deck, maybe a nintendo switch is more your speed kek
Believe it or not, the 6800u actually has the EXACT same performance as the Deck at 15w.
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV18Y411T7rU?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Kv4y137rQ?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0
>Playing it at 15w is literally within spitting distance of the same fps
>Running it at 30w takes Elden Ring from a whopping 30fps to 40fps
This is what these posters have been shilling nonstop?
I can burn my battery even faster and pay hundreds extra for a device that gets 10fps more and lacks trackpads?
Yes because the extra CUs don't have enough bandwidth without LPDDR5 doubling in speed and the power envelope doesn't allow for optimal CPU-GPU utilization. It's almost like Valve knew what they were doing via cutting down what costs they can outside of the CPU being Zen 2 still.
Wait that's fricking it?
What the frick?
It's literally running the exact same as the steam deck. Why are none of the shills concerned about this?
Because it's not in the same price category, at all.
The 6800u is only in the $775 Loki Max anon, it's not what's in the OP device or w/e you were thinking.
nta but this is true. Wouldn't be surprised if the Deck may even be done at a slight loss because it allows more focus on steam purchases now that steam has competitors and moves people away from Windows where Microsoft and its storefront and general dickery can screw up their business.
I don't mind a weaker device personally if its a good emulator/indie device as something AAA heavy I would want a desktop, but some solid metroivania games or old school RPGs on the go would be nice. If it hits up to early 2000s game that has it doing 90% of what I like. So definitely a market for a less beefy more compact Steam machine.
Yes, buy the cheap Chinese knockoff. Surely this will be the one that actually works
>chinkshit concept
what ever, call me when they start shopping
Q4 shipping. Better for anyone ordering a steam deck right now, probably wont get one till summer 2023 at this point. Lets not even get into how terribly overpowered the 6800 is compared to valves custom soc.
The Loki max is not Q4 shipping, it does not have a release date. The cheaper ones do.
Why do you guys keep doing this. Is this on purpose?
Are you mentally ill or some shit? It literally says it on the reserve page.
I'm going to be straight up honest and admit there being two buttons for "Buy" and "Reserve" had me clicking the wrong page top kek
>not using GloriousPurpose code to save 75 bucks
moronic Black personcattle
Yeah i was kinda upset till it turned out to be $42 savings difference.
If these things can run the rest of the mame games library (SPECIALLY THE U64 games like KI), Sega model 2, Model 3 and saturn like any mid 2000s X86 device can then they would have won as the perfect emulation handheld. Specially with those price points getting closer to the android handheld level.
>Model 3
my desktop with an i5-3570 couldn't even run that shit last time I tried. Well, Spikeout did run with horrific framepacing, but LA Machinegun was fricking black and I don't think Scudracer even booted iirc.
I would have sworn a X86 machine strong enough to emulate the DC and Atomiswave could be able to take on Model 3.
Maybe i'm forgetting something here.
I think the emulator itself (supermodel) is just jank and possibly unlikely to work well on certain hardware configurations. That or I'm moronic and don't know some super specific stuff you need to configure to get it to run properly.
>AMD 3050e
>Can't even hit constant 720p@60 on Skyrim's original release (https://youtu.be/05jouP8mYME?t=446)
... did we lose again?
No, lmao.
the win600 has slow (2400mhz) single channel ram which cuts at least 50% of the gpu performance. the loki zero with 8gb 3200mhz dual channel would blow that shit out the water
>AMD 3050e
I can't wait to play Ghost Recon at 30 fps.
>3050e
>deckbros
>AMD 3050e
>4GB of DDR4 ram
how did this make the deck "lose"
the deck is superior to this thing in every way other than price wich is 399 but for that money the deck is ALOT more powerful
bluetooth 4.2 came out in 2014. Why?
Probably because it's a 2020 laptop chip
I'm much more interested in the Mendocino.
Why are they advertising Wifi 5?
Having any interest in handhelds makes you loser no matter what.
The market is fricking saturated with these handheld PCs and none of them have even launched yet.
Best give it a year to see who delivers and who gets Kickstarter'd.
Aya has already delivered in the past for multiple models without issues, so they're probably safe. Ayn did ship some Odins this year and the hardware itself is a fricking banger for the price, but that's with a lot of delays and ongoing drama. I'm interested in the Loki, but there's no way in frick they're making Q4 release date estimate. I really wouldn't be surprised if it's Q2 2023 launch.
>all that shit
>$199
at least TRY to make your scams look realistic
>Loki Mini is 60$ more
>Has Ryzen 3 7230U and RDNA 2 vs Athlon 3050e and Vega
>SSD vs MMC
>Graphics are better than Vega 3 at lower power
>8gb LPDDR5 vs 4gb DDR4
>1080p vs 720p
>Wifi 6 and BT 5 vs Wifi 5 and BT 4
>Only drawback is a smaller battery
The zero exists to sell this. You are silly if you buy the Zero.
This is also true, the Anbernic Win600 uses the Athlon 3050e and it's expected to come in around 300$. I'm curious where this market goes.
Also the clear black is fricking sexy.
don't care, mogged
>3050e
that's not very powerful
you'd be playing games upscaled with FSR and it would probably not hit a nice frame rate
It's good enough for emulation, which I assume this is being aimed at.
Some ARM devices like the Poco F3 can do up to the Wii and PS2, and even some Switch games. What would some cheapy X86 device have over that? Because with that weak a CPU I doubt it'd ever be able to run more than PSX or Dreamcast
There's a handheld with it already hitting reviews and it's not a great PC gaming device but it's able to play a bunch of modern indies and light 3D games, and emulate everything up to and including somehow some Wii and PS2
My phone can do all of that lmao.
>Ayn delivered literally one product (Ayn Odin) and hasn't delivered the second (Odin Lite)
>I'm sure they will handle launching literally 8 Loki handhelds by Q4 of this year and ship them out in a reasonable time!
You can call them trustworthy all you like, this is fricking moronic to not wait and see.
Have you guys never heard of too good to be true?
Your phone isn't playing Shredder's Revenge
there's definitely truth to this, but a big part of the delay with the lite came from them needing to come up with a video out solution using an FPGA since the dimensity cpu doesn't natively support video out, but they'd already promised it as a feature. I have zero doubt that there will be inevitable delays, but Ayn will be able to get significantly more support from intel and AMD than they could get from qualcomm and dimensity
>There's a handheld with it already hitting reviews
What's the name of the device?
Win600
thanks lad.
>all these morons who think China isn't making Steam Decks anyway
My Steam Deck was made in Carol Stream Illinois dumbass.
Can these companies stop fricking announcing shit when more than half the shit they've announced haven't even come out yet?
Impossible.
This is literally the business model they're stuck with.
Economies of scale ain't in their favor so might as well just play the micro game.
>$199
So what's the con here?
It's pretty low-end compared to other devices that are like $50-$100 more.
see
extremely low end specs
you will only be able to emulate old consoles and play indie games
it's cheap chinkshit.
Poorly made chinkshit with no aftermarket support and will churn out the next one a year later.
Its just a scam ran by a Chinese ad company that stalks here.
>asymmetrical controls
>weaker
>windows
What's the point of this
Pretend it's the PSP XL.
Damn these companies must be selling an insanely small amount of hardware if they keep doing this multiple sku shit. Probably 5k product runs. 15k at best.
Ipega red knight, Razer kishi, or Gamesir? Also did any Chinese company copy the xperia play design with better specs yet?
It costs money to design an actual well machined sliding handheld, that's moving parts. There's a reason slabs won out.
Not even sliding keyboards?
Aya has the Slide in the pipeline that is exactly that.
https://liliputing.com/2022/05/aya-neo-slide-handheld-gaming-pc-has-a-slide-out-keyboard-and-ryzen-7-6800u.html
literally what the frick are all these chinktoy companies doing
its like the steamdeck dropped and they decide to release 40,000 variants of the same device simultaneously
They basically all shat themselves and are scrambling to try and beat out the Steam Deck. Valve took an absolutely colossal diarrhea dump over their entire market-space and the Chinese market is hungry for a similar device that's locally available. Problem being Valve's device is too good.
how does flooding the market with 40,000 variants at the EXACT same time do them any favors? it's just confusing as frick from a consumer perspective.
there's like zero brand identity and it's all just spastic CAD mock-up clown vomit
it's really not that confusing, you are just racist
https://www.ayntec.com/
https://www.ayaneo.com/
https://anbernic.com/
https://www.gpd.hk/
there are really only 4 players vying for the space surrounding the steam deck
there are other companies outside of this (powkiddie, miyoo etc.) but they mainly focus on the lower end of the spectrum w/android based pocketable devices
To Miyoo's credit they're Linux, not Android
The big 4 are moving towards Windows now, though you can install Linux/SteamOS.
It won't do them any good but it will be incredible for steam. All the press that's been singing the decks praises will be amplified when a ton of garbage floods the market effectively putting a fog of war over anything that could be good.
That's not really unusual of them
The Deck created a bunch of demand for handheld PCs, it's amazing. Also what's funny is that picture is outdated and missing 3 more models.
GTFO secondary
I'm tempted by these handhelds but ultimately I don't see the point when you can get a laptop. The high-end ones in particular cost more and you don't get the benefit of a 15" 1080p OLED screen like laptops in that price range have these days.
if it runs windows I'm still not going to buy it out of principle
$200 is a great price how well does it run games?
>non symmetrical joysticks
link?
Is that the PS Vita D-Pad?
The d-pad might be but the underneath won't be.
It is, same with the Odin.
>3050e
that's less powerful than a Intel Core i5-2500S.
an entry-level CPU from 2011.
The Steam Deck has a Ryzen 3 3100ish CPU, and is slightly more powerful than a Intel Core i7-6800K, a high end CPU from 2016.
It's x86 and that's all that matters to me.
Just got my deck today bros.. what GameCube/ps2 game should I emulate first?
I don't care if you chinks learned american, I ain't buyin that trash.
>AMD
Lmao, won't last six months
It's been a long time since the FX processor lines. It's 2022 anon
Explain how the steam deck is destroying current day cpus from themselves and competitors?
First one of these that gets into retail marketplaces wins
Realistically that's Valve, all the rest are hobbyist devices except forrrr I think it was Ayn? That has a relative who's high up in Lenovo.
I wanted a deck for emulation until I realized I could do this
I don't have a phone powerful enough for reliable PS2/Gamecube emulation and controller clips are janky bullshit, but I'll forgive you for Dynasty Warriors.
Can it play gc?
Another similar spec UMPC could do /most/ GC at 3x res but games like F-Zero had to go down to 2x or 1x to be stable.
how are people talking about the deck 2 when the first one hasnt even shipped to everyone that bought during the first few hours LMAO
deck 2 will come out in 3 years at least
Well there was a vid of gabe talking about the deck and one of the things they saw a lot of people wanted was higher price points for more power/better screen etc. so we might see an upper tier of steam decks beyond the current models, at a higher price point to match. might be a couple years before they do a full redesign for a steam deck 2
Because it's a PC and prebuilts come out frequently. Granted, even if they announce the Deck 2 in the beginning of next year or something, you still won't get it until a year after you put money down on it kek.
this logic doesnt work when you have to design your own cpu for your product, we had vega for 5 years until rdna 2 got into a apu
They do not understand the deck cpu is a generational leap. We might get 2-5% better performance in 5 years. Look at the switch for example. That tegra is fricking old. When you are power limited you get very little.
Not even the Chinese want these 6800u handhelds.
>It's cheap because you have to wait!
>It's too thick!
>It's too expensive!
>Not buying!
Yep. I think I'm just going to continue playing on my Deck for the "heavier" stuff and maybe grab a cheaper Loki Mini or Ayaneo Air Plus for lighter stuff.
Why not just play the lighter stuff on the deck?
I do, but I also like fiddling on smaller devices.
There are videos all over BilliBilli showing 6800u vs Steam Deck.
Every game, the 6800u at 15w runs the same as the steam deck. The 6800u costs hundreds more.
How?
linux
it's subsidized by valve like the big 3 consoles. the point is to sell more games to people giving them good hardware for cheap.
Because the 6800 is brand new. But I also assume running at above 15w you'll get better performance.
You can go up the thread to find it gets you a whopping 10fps in elden ring to run it at 30 watts
Not to shill, but Elden Ring is not the best example as it runs like shit on everything. With emulation the results could vary drastically.
It's the same in the videos for RDR2 and Cyberpunk too. There's one for God of my Wife's Son, but I didn't watch it to see if it was any different in that regard.
Someone cranked it to fricking 25w and it only bumped Elden Ring from 30fps to 40. I can't even imagine how bad the battery life would be at that wattage.
The Ayn shill fears BilliBilli
translate plxs
They're apparently bragging that Steam Deck's performance is equivalent to a 4500u and that it has Windows drivers courtesy of GPD
tl;dr GPD is fricking pissed that Steam Deck performs so well
They're basically saying "Congratulations Steam deck on getting Windows 10 thanks to GPD. Congratulations on 4500u performance and piracy."
It's some really weird petty anger basically
It's important to remember at the Steam Deck's launch that there were Chinese handhelds selling for over 1000$ with Ryzen 5800u's that were literally obsoleted overnight
The OS made android skins look amateurish, which is why some of them are now launching windows apps to map controls and control TPU and stuff. It wasn't very long ago you had to literally reboot and enter BIOS to change TDP on these things.
>piracy
what are they trying to say with this
They're trying to say "I'M NOT OWNED!!!! I'M NOT OWNED!!!"
Chinese website spewing bullshit, in the hands of any reviewer, watch that be complete bs like all their other products.
So the steam deck is bullshit?
Nope tested by non-liars
lad the billibilli videos show the steam deck favourably
Well the 6800U is still RDNA2, it has more CUs but those won't be able to stretch their legs properly in the same 15W power budget. I don't know what memory setup that thing has either, the Deck has quad channel LPDDR5 which is very important for iGPU performance, since it does not have any dedicated high-bandwidth memory. If that other handheld has a worse memory setup then it could very well just be choking on a lack of bandwidth. I assume Valve/AMD must've done their homework in terms of how much hardware is optimal to squeeze into a 15W power budget and there must be some reason why the Deck is set up as it is.
You likely need a memory setup equivalent to what is in the Apple M1 Pro/Max laptops right now to get the 6800u to stretch its legs on the GPU side with the 2x CUs from the Van Gogh chip the Steam Deck used and therefore get better performance than the Steam Deck too. Valve likely can't buy the top end LPDDR5 right now since Apple always hogs those parts for quite a while and no one will get anywhere close to exceeding what Valve was able to do. The only questionable thing is Zen 2 inside the APU and 4c8t being enough after cross-gen is over for any AAA games.
>with the 2x CUs from the Van Gogh chip
Doesn't it only have 50% more? 12 vs. 8 IIRC
>Zen 2
Yes, this is the questionable decision to me, there might've been some external reason why they didn't go with Zen 3.
>4c8t
I think this is the right choice, there's not enough room for 6 or 8 cores in 15W when you expect the GPU to be hit hard as well (which it is). I've even seen very significant performance boosts by disabling cores or disabling SMT, I don't think adding more CPU in such a low-power package is the way to go. Better cores would have been nice, but most 3D games are going to bottleneck hard on the GPU and the 2D stuff is probably lightweight enough (with some exceptions) for the CPU to not really matter.
steamie sisters....
the loki was supposed to be $799.....
what happened...................................................................................................................................................
Ouch.
dude did you read the specs
it has 4gb of ram and a amd 3050e
it's incredibly weak and shitty
What's going on in this image?
Deck chewed up an SD card?
deck literally shreds your SD card on ejection
Why does Steam hardware do this? The Steam controller kept scuffing up my eneloop batteries on removal.
works on my machine
He opened his Deck without removing the sd card first and ended up snapping his shit up in the process.
?t=3703
He breaks it himself by accident at this time mark.
>linux israelite tips
DROPPED
it's obvious he was trying to cope
you would have done the same if you were in his position don't lie
I know but the picture just makes me laugh and I never get to post it.
>lay down some primo race-mix bait
>two years later Ganker still has people who seethe
>enjoy your impossibly wealthy life with your potato asian wife and children
what a fricking cuck
instead of saying something like
"i love my wife for who she is, and race or anything else doesnt mean anything"
he goes for some moronic "for the greater good" garbage
i would fricking divorce his ass if i knew this wasnt some marketing shit
real small dick vibes on this post
18cm you can decide if its small or not i dont give a frick
if i learned my SO is with me cause or "diversity of the species" and "to end racism" id walk out in an hour with my bags packed
He knows what people think about WMAF couples. It probably makes him feel self-conscious so he tried to put a positive spin on it. Truth is it's a case of mutual racial fetishism. White men love asian women and asian women love white men, but it's not politically correct to come out and say it and everyone will think your kids are gonna be fricked up weirdos.
that makes it better how, exactly
I think his autism kicked in while saying those and >ending racism
was just a random thought he had at the day
he was dissembling the steam deck but forgot to remove the SD card first
SD cards are very fragile and even a small amount of pressure can destroy them
Micro sd cards are fragile. Sd cards are durable
when i said sd card i meant that it was a micro SD card
i thought it would be obvious since the pic i was replying to showed a broken micro SD card and people commonly just refer to micro sd cards as sd cards
?t=437
STEAMIE SISTERS OH NO!!!!!!!!!
>its scared
Nice price cut this early though, im sure itll hit 5% of total steam decks sold.
It's a fake price cut because they're selling another device at 260$
Who launches two devices with wildly different specs at 249 and 260$?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
ANOTHER ANON IS SHILLING THE STEAM DECK ON Ganker!
Can this play PS2 games? I just want to know.
Not well on the Zero. Other handheld PCs will fare better though.
Yes, with caveats. The games will launch. You get choppiness. Frame-skip or slow-down can be used to compensate. 2d games will run better.
There are PC ports of many of the big PS2 releases that will run on this.
Name your PS2 game you want to play and we'll tell you what to expect.
This is the chink steam deck clone I've been waiting for.
forgot your image
>$650 to $1000
That's not the one I've been waiting for.
I want x86 at $200 or less price range.
That would be a low end chromebook
Wrong form factor.
these BilliBilli videos are entertaining
They all appear to be ripping the hell out of all of these videos and calling the people who pre-order them willing guinea pigs
Can somebody tell me who "Brother Zhou" is and why they keep asking him to do something? Is this a joke I'm not getting?
Steamponies this can't be fricking happening.....
the form factor and build quality of these things are just what fricking kill it for me
they’re just too big and uncomfortable to be portable gaming machines
the gpd win 1 had roughly the same dimensions of a 3ds xl and felt great to hold, but it was underpowered and had shitty buttons so I sold it on ebay.
Did you buy any of the other GPD win systems?
>Did you buy any of the other GPD win systems?
no, they fricked with the form factor after the gpd win 1, also I'm not paying that much fricking money for a technology thats not fully viable yet
No m8, the Loki and Aya Neo Air are the same size as a shitch lite, which is actually pretty comfy. I think the Anbernic Win600 is also around this size. If you're only looking at the stronkest stuff like the Deck/Next/OneX/etc then of fricking course they're going to be big.
NI HAO SIRS
>no trackpads
hot damn I love being limited to only games that are playable with a functionable controller layout and having an absolutely terrible time trying to do anything PC-like on a miniature PC device
take my money right now xin xiping
deckers won
I assume "Painting Cakes" is some kind of slang term that's not translating.
Calling the Aya and Ayn ".ppt files" is fricking hilarious though.
"They're trying to get people to preorder a PowerPoint specsheet without so much as an engineering sample, so they can get paid in a hurry"
Maybe an equivalent to "dolling up" something?
painting cake is a cake that inedible and only for showoff, kind of like bluff cake
i literally do not get the appeal of these devices which are trying to target the space the steam deck is occupying. they will literally never be able to come close, in any capacity, by nature of being hardware manufacturers only.
why not just focus on the lower and higher ends? is it just overseas markets that can't get access to a deck?
what can the actual userbase of these chinktoys truly be? i mean outside of collectors which is already a niche in a niche in a niche.
They're just portable PCs.
They'll have the exact same market conditions as pre-builds, laptops or maybe even mobile phones. Just on a much more niche scale.
the only 'portable pc' is the shit GPD is doing. the rest of these are retro handhelds (phones) larping as PCs with dogshit schema
Most moronic post I've read today, congrats.
GPD shills are feeling the pressure after their new $2,000 device can't run botw in yuzu at more than 16 fps
I actually like the upcoming Mendocino devices because they look like cheap cheery little emulation PC's, would be fun to slap Steam OS and RetroArch on
That AYA one that's just straight up using a modern i3 also looks good for this purpose
There's definitely an attempt to 'one up' the steam deck by slapping a more powerful chip in there though, the 6600u devices look like straight up scams and the 6800u devices seem to perform better but only at high wattages.
Steam Deck doesn't ship to my country and I want a handheld to use when I go to beach vacation next month.
Which should I get instead?
What do you want out of your handheld? If you want low-end emulation (up to PS1) scope out the Miyoo Mini. If you want something a bit more powerful look at the Retroid Pocket 2+ (the + is important).
Couldn't you get one on ebay?
truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue
Could've sworn I saw people selling Decks not too long ago for not too much more expensive than retail.
In fact I just checked and yeah, 64GB models going for $600~.
Expensive still but not that stupid.
theyre all with bids and overpriced lol
oh right bids are a thing. Slipped my mind.
Well there's also always the "have a friend from NA to buy one and ship one to you for a cost" approach.
A laptop
Are the "I just don't get it" posters NPCs ?
Ritual posters, console warriors and GPT bots.
>I just don't get it.
>Who is this for?
>What is the market for this?
>Where are the exclusives?
>Why not just get a Switch?
all trolls
but who is it... for?
for people who want to emulate consoles pre ps3 and xbox 360
take off another $150 and then your chinese toy will be good enough to give to a nephew
I ordered my odin pro in february and I still haven't gotten it, they fricking suck and I regret backing them
you should have reserved a deck when you had the chance bro...
>backing the scamstarter
>not waiting for resellers not only to ensure the product is real but to avoid paying shit getting lost in customs/fees
j e j
>tfw ordered mine at the end of may and it's a Lite
>No trackpads
I'd take anything at this point that isn't straight up ABXY and L buttons, give me a single Thinkpad nipple for mouse control, give me a tiny little mousepad, do the Vita back touch, anything
No. That thing is meant for emulators, nothing more. It'll probably be a good choice for those that want something like that.
If you just want to emulate you're probably better off with the Odin for the far superior battery life. This is for that AND 2D as well as old stuff on PC.
this device has the same guts.
>chinkshit shilling
it seems you have evolved, bugmen, I only saw you crawl out when somebody mentioned Steam Deck. not buying either handhelds, but this is really pathetic and VERY obvious
>steamdeck in a single zip of the tux and a squeeze of sphincter managed to dump on the entire chinese retro handheld market while simulatenously creating an entirely new line of products that consolizes the PC via unique control schemes and software
me irl
…it’s over.
Anybody wanna buy mine? I accept pizza as payment
>obese as frick hands
>normie as frick taste in 'edgy porn game'
>dell anything ever
giga yikes
>edgy porn game
What game and what's so edgy about it?
What’s edgy about Koikatsu?
>he doesn’t know
yeah I don't know, but if that's you I admire your confidence man, have a good time
Thanks bro
I don’t actually own any, I think that’s just my sideburn in that picture
recommend me bluetooth earbuds you glorious bastard
not him but look at redmi buds 3 pro, taotronics soundliberty, anker soundcore liberty 2 pro upgraded version, and check scarblr for other cheap suggestions
https://www.scarbir.com/guide/best-tws-under-100
You look like you smell like shit and live in a shed. You need shame, seriously, you are a mess.
Hell I’d hang with you and get fired up on Mellow Corn
I’m more of a gin fella but I do drink evil willy every now and again
homie are you playing cum games in a cabin in the woods?
Yes
>straight
What a waste of good meat.
why did you shove a bottle in your underwear
So wait, can any of these knock off handhelds actually use steam deck OS?
If any of them can run Windows or Linux they can run SteamOS. It would actually be advisable to since SteamOS is a pretty clean and functional OS to use, though IIRC you won't get the TDP/underclock settings that you do on an actual Steamer Dick.
I kinda assumed the shader compiles and whatnot was made specific to the hardware that steamdeck and steamOS uses. But if these can use steamOS no problem, why do they come with windows10 installed instead of steamOS?
They'd have to ask Valve, their main competitor.
Valve doesn't care, they're preparing Steam OS 3.0 for general release and want competitors to use it. They WANT more handhelds running Steam.
Sure, but scroll up a bit to
, how hard Steam Deck/Valve has spanked them is a point of sore pride for them. They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
imagine trusting a chingerchonger with your steam account
>Sure, but scroll up a bit to
translate plxs, how hard Steam Deck/Valve has spanked them is a point of sore pride for them. They're not gonna do that. It doesn't matter that Valve would like them to.
But that's just GPD, not Aya or any of the other brands. GPD are notoriously moronic, both product design-wise and just generally.
It's kind of crazy how GPD basically started this market 6 years ago and now they're the biggest fricking losers in the field.
Not the first time this has happened in the industry.
Valves goal is to sell the store, not the deck. The deck is just an example of handheld delivery system. They want others to sell the hardware, and they provide the software.
it worked, i've already spent $400 on games to play specificaly for the deck
SteamOS is geared towards running games in Steam via Proton, and while you can run Windows software under Linux (SteamOS), it's not 100%. Windows just werks and is good enough for most consumers.
The thing is the producers are now starting to offer and advertise their products with Steam OS, which is a pretty fast shift from nothing but Windows when you consider the fact this handheld variant of Steam OS has only been out for a couple months. By next year I don't think it's impossible for some of these devices to be offered with Steam OS as the primary or only option.
I'm not gonna use steamos. I'm just not. Frick valve for trying to force everyone on their platform. I'm gonna continue pirating steam games on windows and there's nothing you shills can do to convince to stop. I'd literally rather just buy an original switch because at least that has joycon motion controls.
ok
Nobody is forcing you, sperg. Even the Deck has been getting continued support towards its Windows drivers.
Has SteamOS 3 released yet?
not officially but people have unpacked the Steam Deck image and since it's built for x86 you can run it on a PC with not a lot of hassle
beta is out yea
Why are so many devices better than the Switch appearing suddenly?
Because switch came out in march of 2017. In tech years, that's fricking forever ago.
it's almost like the snitch is a 6 year old piece of shit mobile chip
Does China pay this dude to do this 24 hours a day?
>look i can buy 2 bananas for 200 instead of 10 bananas for 400
>those 10 banana owners sure are dumb!
Does it have programmable back buttons?
Because the ones are the Deck are a godsend for emulation. I normally emulate on my desktop, but I've started using my Deck more and more.
when you are ready to level up, look into mapping action layers and screen regions for PC games
The Odin 2 back buttons, so I'm pretty sure this does as well.
It looks like it should be, but Ayn has been having a lot of issues with delays and drama for the Odin. There's no way any of these Loki's will be out by Q4 like they said, at least. It may also be worthwhile for you to look into the Aya Neo Airs. The Air Plus has a couple similar cheap options, and apparently they're going to start shipping some as soon as this September.
Is this a good option? I really wanted a deck but they don't ship to australia
Winchinkbros... did we get btfo again?
only one btfo'd is you for your cringe straight to page 0 thread lmaoooooo
It went to 0 because you're terrified of trying to argue with it so you warned your entire discord shill server to ignore it.
Is there anything comparable for steam decks performance for around 400-500 usd?
I think the closest you'll get is the 128gb Loki with the 6600u.
Good to know, thanks. Unfortunately i'm from one of those countries that steam deck will never come to, and importing would cost insane money (on top of getting one in the first place). But we do have access to aliexpress and such...
not this year
why are there so many paid shills on this board, like literally 24 hours a day now jesus fricking christ
Can these things run emulated switch games?
the Deck can run most Switch games at 30 fps, sometimes 60, not sure about the device in OP though
Q3 BROS WHEN IS IT OUR FRICKING TURN
Q3 has already started so your time is now
It won't be much longer now anon, I'm sure of it.
tfw delivery window says July-Sept
made my payment on thursday
looking forward for it to be lost in transit tomorrow
based.
What the frick is wrong with these people.
They’re black.
I ordered my 64gb on the 23rd and it still says I'm in q3. Not sure when you ordered but hope it helps.
>Production has doubled, and we're looking forward to sending out twice as many emails!
>guesstimated email date was 4th of July
>no email on Thursday
whats your rt time
if you dont know what that is then you are a moron and don't deserve your deck anyway
July 17th of last year so it's apparently about bang-on.
>waited until the day after reservations opened
you realize you aren't getting your deck until december, right?
do europeans really
Deck's in the mail, sorry chinks
>Athlon 3050e
>2 cores, 3 Vega CUs
That literally can't run modern games at 480p low
Never heard of it, is it good
Loki Zero is an indie machine, you need the Loki Mini Pro for mid range and older AAA'S and the stardard Loki for Steam Deck like performance.
Seems weaker than the deck, but with an appropriate price for the performance.
Not bad
>amd 3050e
Thanks I already have a phone.
if this thread hits bump limit i know you are being paid