definition of "RPG"

what is the exact definition of "RPG"? you can't say it's just a game where you play a role because all games require you to play some sort of role. what I've narrowed it down to is as follows:
>heavily story based with lots of dialogue and/or monologue
>player has stats that they level up, which play into the game's mechanics and make the player become stronger, the more they're leveled
>player can interact with npcs in a way that isn't trivial, matters to the gameplay and doesn't always involve hurting or escorting the NPC in question from one place to another or buying and/or selling things to them
if a game has at least 2 of these traits it's usually considered an "RPG". even a game with only one of them might still sometimes pass as one. what do you guys think?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RPGs are the friends we made along the way

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh also
    >player is treated differently by NPCs as he progresses in the game
    so the thing skyrim lacks basically

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    An RPG is what you get when you take a tactical wargame and play as a unit on the field instead of the commander of the troops, and instead of playing PvP against a rival commander in military warfare you go on PvE adventures overcoming monsters and natural hazards to gain wealth and power in a simulated world

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >made in japan
    >turn based
    >God is the final boss

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This but unironically

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only one of those applies to Wizardry which is the first game people think about when they hear the word RPG.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Wizardry
      >first game people think about when they hear the word RPG
      Just a reminder how stupidly delusional /vrpg/ is lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it'd probably be pokemon? or something else now, though i don't think there would be a consensus at this point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This board is flooded with zoomers who grew up playing PS2 jrpgs and later elder scrolls

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PRG is a any game that has rpg-elements* and elements/mechanics from other genres don't overweight the rpg-elements/mechanics
    simple as

    *for a [non-exhaustive] list of rpg elements see p2

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is correct, and i would go on to define "rpg elements" as being when in-game stats and mechanics have more of a direct impact on the outcome of challenges than the player's own skill. the challenge is largely abstracted away from the player, leaving the player to more of a management or strategic role.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        very well put. RPGs are essentially an abstraction of normal skill based gameplay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your prattling implies that auto-battle gachas or games with auto-resolve are RPGs. That is how moronic you are, congratulations.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only AAA jrpg that is out right now is a gacha game anon. sorry.

          Platforms: PC, Android, Iphone

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not him but they kinda are. gatchas are definitely RPGs and any game that can autimatically play itself with 0 input from the player is definitely an RPG. skill based games don't play themselves.

            You can find auto combat in real rpgs as far back as Dragon warrior monsters and I believe SMT does it also on snes?

            Proof that jarpiggers share a single brain cell. Low IQ shovelware, low IQ userbase, low IQ bait.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >an RPG that has all the elements of one isn't an RPG because muh shovelware low IQ pay to win gambling or something
              frick off, troll

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Projection. I suggest you stick to VRChat and goon your brains out there, as if you had any.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (are a homosexual)

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's true of most RPGs no matter the genre. Almost none of them actually filter for IQ. There's historically been a tendency for RPGs to appeal to brainy introverts and geeks but there's no actual filter keeping out the morons and midwits.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You do not know what an RPG is. You are the midwit you described.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I posted the best definition of RPG ITT and really don't care what you think. Based on your posting style there's 0% chance you have anything interesting to say.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >appeal to brainy introverts and geeks
                The whole "rpgs require high iq" is a pathetic cope. The verage rpg has the complexity of a crossword puzzle or a menial job.

                Actually, if someone believes rpgs require intelligence, I'd wager they're below average and compensating.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Quite a comprehension fail there. Way to demonstrate your low iq and inability to distinguish between "appeal to" and "filter."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Comprehended it just fine. I wasn't arguing against that post.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >to appeal to brainy introverts and geeks
                aka The 'tism

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not him but they kinda are. gatchas are definitely RPGs and any game that can autimatically play itself with 0 input from the player is definitely an RPG. skill based games don't play themselves.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can find auto combat in real rpgs as far back as Dragon warrior monsters and I believe SMT does it also on snes?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              pool of radiance, in 1988, had "quick combat" where you could allow the fight to play out. it's an old thing for time saving on trash fights. basing a game around it turns it into a pure management game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          add the caveat that you must be controlling characters and making decisions for them directly. the lack of player skill involved in combat is basis of the character's role being distinct from the player.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Incorrect. I am certain you even forget how to breathe sometimes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              i accept your non-sequitur as a concession, manuel breatha-kun.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think so. You have insufficient INT for this. I recommend that you farm and grind for EXP at >>>Ganker . Try not to spec into the 'gay Black person' class next time.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >dumped WIS
                via con dios

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I see that you are a high level 'gay Black person' that dipped into the 'drooling moron' as your sub-class. 'Baldur's Gate 3' was made just for you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dragon quest 11 requires no skill
            you're not wrong.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are there visible stats and mechanics that show how the resolution was achieved? then yes they could be rpgs. how is that any different from a game like FF12 or Dragon Age where the AI can resolve combat on its own? (assuming the other anon's point where the rpg elements are not overshadowed buy some other dominant mechanic. )

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Both games you mentioned are not RPGs. As was expected, I am right, you are wrong.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            at that point you aren't roleplaying a character, but rather a manager of hirelings. so, paying them and feeding them and keeping them happy should be part of the roleplay.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >so, paying them and feeding them and keeping them happy should be part of the roleplay.
              several rpgs already have this. it's not necessarily a requirement, but its doable.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this is obviously correct

            Both games you mentioned are not RPGs. As was expected, I am right, you are wrong.

            kek

            at that point you aren't roleplaying a character, but rather a manager of hirelings. so, paying them and feeding them and keeping them happy should be part of the roleplay.

            auto battle does not equal strategy game bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >PRG is a any game that has rpg-elements* and elements/mechanics from other genres don't overweight the rpg-elements/mechanics
        simple as

        *for a [non-exhaustive] list of rpg elements see p2

        >"rpg elements" as being when in-game stats and mechanics have more of a direct impact on the outcome of challenges than the player's own skill.
        This is gets inherited from tactical wargames. The turn-based, decision-oriented approach to combat is fundamental to that style of game. This also gives you the correct bias favoring combat mechanics over simulation mechanics.

        https://i.imgur.com/IYm8yGc.png

        what is the exact definition of "RPG"? you can't say it's just a game where you play a role because all games require you to play some sort of role. what I've narrowed it down to is as follows:
        >heavily story based with lots of dialogue and/or monologue
        >player has stats that they level up, which play into the game's mechanics and make the player become stronger, the more they're leveled
        >player can interact with NPCs in a way that isn't trivial, matters to the gameplay and doesn't always involve hurting or escorting the NPC in question from one place to another or buying and/or selling things to them
        if a game has at least 2 of these traits it's usually considered an "RPG". even a game with only one of them might still sometimes pass as one. what do you guys think?

        story based with lots of dialogue and/or monologue
        Almost totally irrelevant, by the way. There are many story-heavy, story-based genres that are not RPGs and there are very obviously RPGs that do not need to have heavy story-based gameplay. It's a massive red herring and something people get really confused about.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's because adventure games died and got merged into rpgs, so younger people experienced these rpg-lite adventure games and it set their preferences. dialog trees were an invention of adventure games.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what's the difference between an adventure game and an rpg?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              have you played any adventure games?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Adventure games are more like puzzle games. You have to work your way through a story by exploring an environment and solving puzzles. The game world is crafted around the story and puzzles. There's no combat and usually no attempt to simulate anything about the world beyond what's needed for the story. There's no economy (shops, commodity items, etc) and random chance tends to play a minimal role (if any).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's just a light novel style RPG then. they aren't their own genre.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. Those are distinct and import differences.
                King's Quest is not, was not, and never will be an RPG.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >light novel style RPG
                poseur alert

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus christ boi
                I'm not here to educate zoomzooms so just fricking google it
                but Jesus Christ

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This is gets inherited from tactical wargames. The turn-based, decision-oriented approach to combat is fundamental to that style of game. This also gives you the correct bias favoring combat mechanics over simulation mechanics.
          i don't really disagree, and i look at it this way: you could play tabletop D&D as a wargame, with the player controlling 10 characters (which may or may not have a unique personality or plot relevance) in a large-combat setting, and it would still be an rpg.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's a slippery slope and I wouldn't go that way
        there is also no need to go into abstractions IMO
        this is a man defined concept not some mathematical law
        just list the actual rpg mechanics found in actual rpgs

        simple as

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >just list the actual rpg mechanics found in actual rpgs
          we'd be here all day, and not every game uses the same mechanics, and many even use conflicting mechanics. that's why we have to use a much more loose and general description.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so? I see no problem
            the game doesn't have to include ALL rpg mechanics to be an RPG
            it just has to have some and have them outweight non-rpg mechanics in said game

            18th century botanists and zoologists figured it out, no need to larp Plato here and try to come up with something loose

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              nah the arguments here always try to be logical and that's dumb. It's about soul.

              Diablo is not an rpg. If you don't understand that I can't help you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I used to be the same when I knew less about classical rpgs, but essentially it's this macro
                >lowiq chad - diablo is an rpg
                >seething midwit looser - diablo is NOT an rpg
                >patrician highiq elder god - diablo is an rpg
                that's just a fact

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >descended intelligence of the cosmos peeking out from the subconscious - diablo isn't a good game

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't like Diablo campaigns, therefore it not an rpg. Same with Witcher 3

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RPG feels like a catch-all term for when the game doesn't have any clearly defined genre, but at the same time, it's the kind of game you only need to look at a single screenshot once and you instinctively know it's an RPG

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you can't say it's just a game where you play a role because all games require you to play some sort of role.
    no game genres exist by this logic

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is this board filled with such fricking buttholes? I know this is Ganker, but you /vrpg/gots take the whole mean spirited umm acksckshully troll bullshit way too far. it makes you seem like you're 12

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's like two or three dudes who have no life, no friends, and severe autism. pity them.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    story based with lots of dialogue and/or monologue
    False
    has stats that they level up, which play into the game's mechanics and make the player become stronger, the more they're leveled
    True
    can interact with NPCs in a way that isn't trivial, matters to the gameplay and doesn't always involve hurting or escorting the NPC in question from one place to another or buying and/or selling things to them
    Partially true, id rather day Interact with the world.

    The standard for true RPGs are Dungeon crawlers and games like Ultima, games directly inspired by the original tabletopexperience. Heavy dialogue, for once, isnt necessary, no cutscnes and no story, as well. In fact, linear story based games diverge pretty far from rpgs.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still not one mention of a good rpg itt, I'll start

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good jrpg, closely tied to the paradigms of Wizardry-likes. As I said, Wizardry, Dungeon crawlers, and ultima-like games are the Golden standart by which we should judge If a game Is or not an rpg

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      which gaem?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dq3 gbc

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          wat?
          Dequethree Gaybeecee?
          that's a stupid ass name for a videogame lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dairy queen 3: grab b***hes' c**ts

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hmmmmm......
    >You talk to NPCs and have generally safe areas
    >You visit shops and buy things
    >have a health bar

    Hence why my definition of RPG is a tad broader than just the usual wrpg kinda deals that some folks claim that anything outside of said formula is an rpg.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It must be non-Japanese first.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "RPG" is an Dionysian term and can't properly be defined in Apollonian logical semantics. You just have to get the "vibe" of the game and see if it vibes like and RPG or not.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no exact definition which is why these threads are the "not an rpg" meme persists

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Games derived or descended from table top roleplaying games.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's a collective noun. The name of a genre. A group of games with similar features.

    You're probably asking what that similitude is, so you can treat the noun as an adjective.

    Like calling someone "a saint" rather than "saintly".

    Joan of Arc wasn't canonized as a saint until 500 years after she was burned at the stake as a criminal. They revised history to advocate woman's suffrage. Qualifications for sainthood feel irrelevant at that point.
    They can do that with anyone. Imagine. St. Donald Trump.
    Who is a saint and what is a saint have very different realities.

    The same logic applies to genres.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      schizo post
      restate your point without current event, politics, or religious nonsense

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nouns are designations.
        Adjectives are descriptions.

        The only qualifications to be admitted into a collective is for there to be a collective in the first place.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The only qualifications to be admitted into a collective is for there to be a collective in the first place.
          troony logic.
          What you're saying is that any game can be considered an RPG in the same way a man can become a woman. Both of these are not true.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Schizo Post.
            restate your point without current event, politics, or religious nonsense

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There are more qualifications to be admitted into a collective than just the existence of a collective. Descriptors (adjectives) can be tangible things and the admittance into certain collectives requires a tangible descriptor.
              Just because some adjectives aren't as tangible as others doesn't mean that the entire categorization of such should be disregarded.
              In the case of an RPG, there are tangible descriptors we can use to decide whether or not something is an RPG.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              which gaym?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the witcher

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thnx

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that's more about how standards are shifted for expediency, whether political or financial or otherwise. it's just like with rpgs, the standards defining them got shifted as marketers and developers grasped the power of appending those three letter elements to a game.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People imagine hermaphrodites as a "3rd Gender" because they're autistic and need gender (and genres) to be mutually exclusive, concrete, and absolute. Instead of just accepting 1 person belonging to 2 genders.

            They feel mental anguish imagining Trump as an unpaid bellhop in his own hotel. A King in one country can simultaneously be a duke, a prince, or even another King in another country.

            You can be saintly without being a saint
            And you can be a saint without being saintly.

            Nouns are not adjectives.
            A collection is not an identity.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the best rpgs numbers go up at a good pace. You want to grind for xp numbers that gives a lot at first but slowly tapers off and only gives a little xp number. When your xp numbers make your atk and def numbers go up, you should feel the progress your characters are making with bigger attacks.

    The best games have good numbers. The worst games have bad numbers. It's all excel gaming to me frick the haters. unironically.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    rpgs do appeal to men of above average engineer-based intelligence, because the desire to fiddle and optimize is strong

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >player has stats that they level up, which play into the game's mechanics and make the player become stronger, the more they're leveled
    This is all a game needs to be a rpg

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >video game designed to allow you to insert yourself into the role of the player character
    Role Playing Game
    >video game that uses elements from tabletop roleplayinging games in order to tell an interactive story following the perspective of a viewpoint character, created by the player or an existing character with a preset personality
    RPG as people commonly use it to define a genre of video games.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >in order to tell an interactive story
      Misleading terminology. The 'story' of an RPG can be entirely emergent from gameplay and it is still an RPG, and this is not what anyone understands by 'story' when you say it this way.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If there is no story then it's not an RPG.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain what you mean by 'story'

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to define what an RPG is is a Catch-22 situation.
    To define an RPG, we have to look what games are considered RPGs and find the similar core elements between them.
    But to know what games are RPGs we must first have a definition for what an RPG is.
    Ergo, RPG is an unknowable definition.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no you don't have to do that
      you just have to listen which games people before you called 'rpgs'

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >heavily story based with lots of dialogue and/or monologue
    It's funny because there are only like 2 or 3 rpg's with a decent enough story to actually remember years after playing it.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "You know it when you see it."
    That's the best I can do.
    Is A Link to the Past an RPG? San Andreas? Starcraft? Probably not, but it's difficult to say why.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's difficult to say why.
      really Black person?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, really, it's hard to put into words.
        If I were to say it: "story-based adventure battle games with custom character progression controlled by the player" but then it doesn't quite do it justice. How is FF7 remake any more RPG than Zelda? It's hard to state objectively, especially if you consider anything non-turn-based to be an RPG, because then so are most games.

        This but unironically

        I'd normally agree, but my fav jrpg was made in the US.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >story-based
          RPGs do not need to be story-based*
          If you took FF7's combat system, world map, and field map system except the story was minimal-- you just created a party of custom characters, explored and fought dungeons collecting loot and gaining levels until you found the white materia to unlock a final boss, that would still be an RPG.
          *except in the most uselessly tautological definition of 'story' where you basically mean any quest or scenario at all no matter how minimalist or barebones counts as 'story-driven'

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I almost didn't include the "story-based" part. Most RPG stories suck, but there's always some goal. Even if it's just "save the world from magical bad guy" or "defeat the strongest warriors at the end" it's still some story. If there were no goal it'd be a sandbox game, right?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Theoretically, the original RPG experience with OD&D expected sandbox campaigns about conquering fantastical lands and Dungeons

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're not wrong. The term is just a carryover from D&D where multiple people choose roles and act out an adventure.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    An RPG is a game that claims to be an RPG or is claimed to be an RPG.
    This is the only definition that is applicable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All RPGs that identify as RPGs are heckin valid

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wait. is the reason some people get mad about "not an rpg" because it reminds them of "not a woman"?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Approximately 95% of the time, “not an rpg” is used incorrectly, when “it’s an rpg that I dislike and think is a bad game” would be more accurate

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so "not a woman" mostly means a trap you wouldn't frick?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the time on this board it's just mindless zero-effort troll spam. Sometimes it's accurate and relevant to point out. Sometimes it's accurate but not relevant to point out. Usually it's neither accurate or relevant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        YWNPARPG

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh boy another stale meme

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you mean hot and fresh. note how the tired old catchphrase interplays with our situation on this board with regards to genre, instead of gender, confusion. quite humorous, on multiple levels.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's not funny. /vrpg/ has a terrible sense of humor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                methinks the lad doth protest too much.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If i say it's an rpg then it's a fricking rpg
    I don't have any reason to argue about it with pedantic morons online

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I don't have any reason to argue about it with pedantic morons online
      Because you are bad at explaining yourself.

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