Prey did this bullshit too. Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed all the time?
Doesn't mean you need to destroy the knowledge. An alternate could be discovered. Even destroying what little knowledge you have of the typhons is dangerous. And it's revealed in the game destroying Talos was ultimately just a setback when the typhon invasion came anyway.
This. >destroy all the knowledge on the subject >some dipshit discovers typhons independently and messes with them, destroying humanity in the process
Also, arent they just floating randomly in space? Its a matter or time before they get to Earth.
This. >destroy all the knowledge on the subject >some dipshit discovers typhons independently and messes with them, destroying humanity in the process
Also, arent they just floating randomly in space? Its a matter or time before they get to Earth.
These posters are already infected.
Earth is doomed
>Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed all the time?
they're characters in an rpg you schizo
Context matters. Shes a Ghoul who saw what science and a lack of morals and a complete abundance of absolute power does: 99% of the world got nuked. This Vault was full of experiments, mutated undead plant people. The NCR sent mercs to get it, then her and had zero regard for their safety, now a bunch of pencil pushers want to use that research to grow more crops for their stagnant nation.
You can't destroy a fact. It was always be true. Someone else will discover it in time and they won't have the benefit of standing on the shoulders of giants. They're more likely to repeat the same mistakes again.
You can blow the vault to hell and the only other place the plant people appear is Zion which is contested, tribal territory. In this case, yeah you can. Is it wrong? Sure but its Fallout and its a series that critiques or satirizes the dangers of science gone wrong. The first antagonist of the franchise thought he could fix humanity.
I really wish Fallout had done more shit with ghouls, I haven't played the first 2 so maybe they did explore how seeing the world die would frick a person up, but it seems like they're still just gross looking people in those games
In the first game they’re pretty much equated to Zombies the only ones you can interact with are in a specific place one is Set who is a psycho that constantly talks about just eating you and the other is Harold who isn’t really even a ghoul.
The apocalypse was 200 years ago, any ghouls from that era are well over it by now and just trying to stave off ennui until they go feral or die somehow, like the one in Jacobstown who takes up a new name and career every couple decades for the hell of it
It's interesting to write about themes that challenge your world view by writing characters that disagree with you for good reasons. You would know this if you didn't spend your day parroting what you read online and actually had ideas of your own you are ready and willing to challenge.
Oh, please. They consistently write that destroying knowledge is the morally correct thing to do. They're not writing from a different perspective. They're writing their genuine opinion and then strawmanning the opposing opinion.
>meds
Name a game that covers the subject of the pursuit of knowledge that does not demonize it in some way on moral grounds. There's not many but there's a hell of a lot that does demonize it. If this was coming from the hardcore religious it would be one thing but all this shit is coming from lefties who consistently proclaim themselves "the party of science" and call their opponents "science deniers".
>demonize it in some way on moral grounds
What, are writers meant to depict it as having no downsides whatsoever?
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The certainly shouldn't be celebrating its destruction as morally good. You can't change a fact of the universe so destroying knowledge doesn't erase the threat. It's just making it so that everyone who goes into that area again is going in blind. That's not making things safer.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The certainly shouldn't be celebrating its destruction as morally good.
Doesn't happen in New Vegas
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, it does. They don't portray the person wanting to destroy the knowledge as a crazy luddite but they do portray the person wanting the knowledge as stupid, irresponsible and reckless. They make it quite clear destruction is the morally correct thing to do.
The certainly shouldn't be celebrating its destruction as morally good. You can't change a fact of the universe so destroying knowledge doesn't erase the threat. It's just making it so that everyone who goes into that area again is going in blind. That's not making things safer.
Uh anon, if you played the game you'd know that you can present that exact argument to her and persuade her to give you the research to go give to the NCR scientists.
>Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed
erm *scratches chin* quite the conundrum *furrows brow smokes pipe*
You can convince the ghoul that they'll do fine with the data and if you talk to hildern about being careful with it he says "we're not morons, we know to be cautious".
Its a deliberate jab at the NCR or people who work in white collar positions for governments anyways. Its like a glowie telling you that you have freedom.
Ahaha that's a good line, didn't even know about that. I should really do a New Vegas run where I complete quests the complete opposite way from how I usually do them.
Shame that this quest doesn't have it's own ending slide, they could even make either choices result in a bad ending to make it more gray (ie. not giving him the data causes people to go hungry, giving him the data solves the food problem, but some people started to mutate into the plant zombies from it).
There's plenty of questlines that need their own ending slides tbh. >Vault 22 data >The Stealth Boy Nightkins in the Come Fly With Me quest >Fate of 1st recon squad >The AWOL NCR squad that ambushes you in Primm
I felt a little disappointed to learn that how you deal with the nightkin on that quest has no bearing on the ending, I usually try to be peaceful but that being the case means I'm not willing to let a bunch of insane super mutants go harass anyone else
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Anonymous
Mutants are a dying breed. Outside Jacobstown they are seen as slave labor or fodder. Their armor and weapons are used by the Legion which means that they are sport and have probably been culled outright there. They are living on borrowed time unless another despot uses FEV on some populace.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Good
11 months ago
Anonymous
True but they are also insane and attacking on sight
>The AWOL NCR squad that ambushes you in Primm
There's only two ways of dealing with them and one is killing them on the spot, it's hardly worth writing a slide for a bunch of nobodies most people never found or gunned down without a second thought
Yeah, while I can't deny the scent of "man bad woman good" type story I also can't deny that Hildern is a fricking moron. Deleting the shit is the way to go.
reminder that the NCR government completely drained every lake in California bone dry and Hildern himself tells you they're facing famine in a decade
reminder that the OSI itself refuses to accept there might be something wrong with the water supply at the NCR Sharecropper farm because "the computers worked it out", and then you find out the Sharecroppers are right
Keely is right, these people are objectively unfit to use such a potentially dangerous technology
>*passes speech check* hehe sure thing >*goes back to mccarran and gives the doc the data for extra caps anyway*
nothing personnel this is called the wasteland mindset
[Speech]: ackshually if you don't save the data and show it to incompetent frickwad it would be worse
why? so people can avoid this particular path of research, yeah totally
One thing I completely didn't understand about this quest is weren't the Vault residents killed by the spores initially used to cull the mantis infestation? It had nothing to do with the research related to crop abundance, which is what the NCR is after, not what lead to Vault 22's demise. It was a separate experiment
Prey did this bullshit too. Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed all the time?
I think you're making up boogeymen in your head
Morgan wanted to blow up Talos 1 because the mimics are The Thing on steroids, so if more than none made it back to Earth, good bye humans.
Morgan also wanted to destroy the neuromod technology because... I don't know. It's unfair or dangerous or something.
Because neuromods are made from typhon, so if you want to make them, you need typhon around. We've already gone over why that is a bad thing.
Doesn't mean you need to destroy the knowledge. An alternate could be discovered. Even destroying what little knowledge you have of the typhons is dangerous. And it's revealed in the game destroying Talos was ultimately just a setback when the typhon invasion came anyway.
This.
>destroy all the knowledge on the subject
>some dipshit discovers typhons independently and messes with them, destroying humanity in the process
Also, arent they just floating randomly in space? Its a matter or time before they get to Earth.
These posters are already infected.
Earth is doomed
>Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed all the time?
they're characters in an rpg you schizo
Context matters. Shes a Ghoul who saw what science and a lack of morals and a complete abundance of absolute power does: 99% of the world got nuked. This Vault was full of experiments, mutated undead plant people. The NCR sent mercs to get it, then her and had zero regard for their safety, now a bunch of pencil pushers want to use that research to grow more crops for their stagnant nation.
You can't destroy a fact. It was always be true. Someone else will discover it in time and they won't have the benefit of standing on the shoulders of giants. They're more likely to repeat the same mistakes again.
If the Earth gets obliterated , aliens will still be able to learn what the mating cycle of gorillas was?
It's called a time machine, champ.
You can blow the vault to hell and the only other place the plant people appear is Zion which is contested, tribal territory. In this case, yeah you can. Is it wrong? Sure but its Fallout and its a series that critiques or satirizes the dangers of science gone wrong. The first antagonist of the franchise thought he could fix humanity.
>Zion
Man, its been a long time since i played New Vegas. Such names strike different meaning in the mind now.
Might as well consider that all molecule research belong to Moloch.
I really wish Fallout had done more shit with ghouls, I haven't played the first 2 so maybe they did explore how seeing the world die would frick a person up, but it seems like they're still just gross looking people in those games
In the first game they’re pretty much equated to Zombies the only ones you can interact with are in a specific place one is Set who is a psycho that constantly talks about just eating you and the other is Harold who isn’t really even a ghoul.
>In the first game they’re pretty much equated to Zombies
did you forget the peaceful ghouls in the sewers
No, but they weren’t really as interesting.
They re just more zombies with personality and no ferals
The apocalypse was 200 years ago, any ghouls from that era are well over it by now and just trying to stave off ennui until they go feral or die somehow, like the one in Jacobstown who takes up a new name and career every couple decades for the hell of it
It's interesting to write about themes that challenge your world view by writing characters that disagree with you for good reasons. You would know this if you didn't spend your day parroting what you read online and actually had ideas of your own you are ready and willing to challenge.
Oh, please. They consistently write that destroying knowledge is the morally correct thing to do. They're not writing from a different perspective. They're writing their genuine opinion and then strawmanning the opposing opinion.
>They consistently write that destroying knowledge is the morally correct thing to do
meds.
they're in the first game
>meds
Name a game that covers the subject of the pursuit of knowledge that does not demonize it in some way on moral grounds. There's not many but there's a hell of a lot that does demonize it. If this was coming from the hardcore religious it would be one thing but all this shit is coming from lefties who consistently proclaim themselves "the party of science" and call their opponents "science deniers".
>demonize it in some way on moral grounds
What, are writers meant to depict it as having no downsides whatsoever?
The certainly shouldn't be celebrating its destruction as morally good. You can't change a fact of the universe so destroying knowledge doesn't erase the threat. It's just making it so that everyone who goes into that area again is going in blind. That's not making things safer.
>The certainly shouldn't be celebrating its destruction as morally good.
Doesn't happen in New Vegas
Yes, it does. They don't portray the person wanting to destroy the knowledge as a crazy luddite but they do portray the person wanting the knowledge as stupid, irresponsible and reckless. They make it quite clear destruction is the morally correct thing to do.
Uh anon, if you played the game you'd know that you can present that exact argument to her and persuade her to give you the research to go give to the NCR scientists.
Truth is good
But killing is bad
If truth kills then what do?
It's just an interesting concept, I don't know what pisses you off so much about it
>"why do marxist troony devs promote the destruction of knowledge and erasure of history?!"
one of life's great mysteries...
Why won't scientists let me make Super AIDS, fricking moralists I swear.
the only thing scientists make is super AIDS nowadays
Yeah but they won't give me the recipe
its called gay sex
>Why do the people who always proclaims themselves to be "pro-science" write stories about how knowledge needs to be destroyed
erm *scratches chin* quite the conundrum *furrows brow smokes pipe*
You can convince her that it's okay to keep the data by arguing the opposite, so not a great argument
Huh? What do you mean? I didn't do it, it must've been someone else.
>BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP
>GET PURIFIER GET PURIFIER
My friend in the potato sack really needs it though
>white male scientist bad
>woman scientists good
I appreciate the game giving you choice to completely screw over the women at least
You can convince the ghoul that they'll do fine with the data and if you talk to hildern about being careful with it he says "we're not morons, we know to be cautious".
Hmm, it does seem shadier than I remember.
Its a deliberate jab at the NCR or people who work in white collar positions for governments anyways. Its like a glowie telling you that you have freedom.
>*blackmails you for more caps*
>stats
>4 int
frick hildern and frick the NCR
Ahaha that's a good line, didn't even know about that. I should really do a New Vegas run where I complete quests the complete opposite way from how I usually do them.
Shame that this quest doesn't have it's own ending slide, they could even make either choices result in a bad ending to make it more gray (ie. not giving him the data causes people to go hungry, giving him the data solves the food problem, but some people started to mutate into the plant zombies from it).
There's plenty of questlines that need their own ending slides tbh.
>Vault 22 data
>The Stealth Boy Nightkins in the Come Fly With Me quest
>Fate of 1st recon squad
>The AWOL NCR squad that ambushes you in Primm
I felt a little disappointed to learn that how you deal with the nightkin on that quest has no bearing on the ending, I usually try to be peaceful but that being the case means I'm not willing to let a bunch of insane super mutants go harass anyone else
Mutants are a dying breed. Outside Jacobstown they are seen as slave labor or fodder. Their armor and weapons are used by the Legion which means that they are sport and have probably been culled outright there. They are living on borrowed time unless another despot uses FEV on some populace.
Good
True but they are also insane and attacking on sight
>The AWOL NCR squad that ambushes you in Primm
There's only two ways of dealing with them and one is killing them on the spot, it's hardly worth writing a slide for a bunch of nobodies most people never found or gunned down without a second thought
Hopefully AI voice acting can fix it. It can replicate Pearlman's voice pretty well and FPGE already exists.
Yeah, while I can't deny the scent of "man bad woman good" type story I also can't deny that Hildern is a fricking moron. Deleting the shit is the way to go.
kek. oh dear.
reminder that the NCR government completely drained every lake in California bone dry and Hildern himself tells you they're facing famine in a decade
reminder that the OSI itself refuses to accept there might be something wrong with the water supply at the NCR Sharecropper farm because "the computers worked it out", and then you find out the Sharecroppers are right
Keely is right, these people are objectively unfit to use such a potentially dangerous technology
I always do the science check for that one. I'm glad they put that option.
Not what I was paid for. and No, I dont care you're offering more money after I help you. a contract is a contract.
>*passes speech check* hehe sure thing
>*goes back to mccarran and gives the doc the data for extra caps anyway*
nothing personnel this is called the wasteland mindset
Pretty much the canonical end to the quest
There is no scientific research on ghoulification
[Speech]: ackshually if you don't save the data and show it to incompetent frickwad it would be worse
why? so people can avoid this particular path of research, yeah totally
One thing I completely didn't understand about this quest is weren't the Vault residents killed by the spores initially used to cull the mantis infestation? It had nothing to do with the research related to crop abundance, which is what the NCR is after, not what lead to Vault 22's demise. It was a separate experiment
You don't exactly stop to siphon out the "good" data from the bad when you download it
Yeah but the Courier knows about this particular experiment, he could warn Hildern about not to mess the spores in a separate speech option
That's where
Comes from. You say "hey, this is some pretty deadly stuff, be careful with it" and he brushes you off.
When did they add black people to fallout?
I thought mutants were black and ghouls were israeli
>knowledge should be shared for knowledge's sake
Don't children's books teach you why this is usually bad?
>jealous volcano demon wants to stop the spread of incovenient knowledge
Imagine my shock
>"I don't like this so it shouldn't exist".
>Scientist.
> posts child molestation data
> gets suspended by /twitter/leddit/globohomosite admin for homophobic hate speech
I miss when ghouls actually looked like corpses without skin and not just normal humans without noses
in Fallout 1523 old people will look more like corpses than the ghouls do
> I knew it.. the vaccine was safe