I have a friend who has 2 kids, travels a lot for field research and work and plays even more vidya than me (i.e. he finishes more games in the same period of time) in his spare time.
He never complained about that kind of shit.
And when he was loaded of stuff to do or sick kids, he would just not fricking play video games and sort his shit until a breather period game. It seems those 'dads' don't understand you're not forced to play games as a part-time job when you've got more important thing going.
we have a dad with kids on the poeg general, but the funny thing is that he's a norwegian living on welfare playing games all day. He's the same stereotyped moron with the shit opinions and air of grandeur as your pic, while at the same time being extremely bad at the game and having to resort to RMT and buying challenges/carries to achieve anything. I never seen a more pathetic person in my life
>Late game problems dont effect me therefore hard core people are dumb and being causal is good
typical blizzard paypig
This is the exact person d4 is going to milk and they will justify it as "working dad"
After the control updates, it also made the game 100x more fun to play, especially for characters like barbarian and necro who have 10+ skill slots used
D2 ressurected also has better art than 2D (immersion/atmosphere wise), while fully respecting the original (minus removing some breasts from statues, fricking nu-blizzard)
Right isn't an objectively better design. Left has way more soul. Also it has an obvious theme. She has been overtaken by something demonic that has turned her fricking head into a bird demon. The right just looks like she is wearing fricking red fishnets and slapped a skull on her face. Lame.
Best would be a middleground. Head is still very birdlike and the nasty tendrils have ravaged her more clearly instead of her still being kinda hot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah. She is supposed to look like an absolute demon. All the heroes from D1 were utterly corrupted. Hell the warrior that Diablo was inhabiting was literally busting with flesh beasts. She's not supposed to look human anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But that's what I'm saying. The bird head should be less human.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Fat breasts and asses mesh well with the demon-ness imho. Like in WH40k Slaanesh.
The only redesign I'm against is Charsi. It was literally part of her character according to the dialogue that she was young and naive. No real sense in making her look 30 at minimum and removing her whoppers.
D2 classic (expansion never)
Join a rush lobby
Sit in town, jump into a portal every minute or so to grab a quest item
Jump to the next difficulty without killing anything
Do it two more times, maybe an hour or so total
Now join end game lobbies, enter the portal and just run around like a headless chicken
Each game lasts about a minute as the boss is quickly killed
Repeat for about 4 hours till you hit level 80
Congrats you are "max level" due to the exp diminishing returns not being worth it
Do a few hours of magic finding on a sorc (no point using any other character for this)
Trade some of your uniques for other items
Most builds work with gear that isn't even that rare
Spend the next 100 hours doing pvp outside of town with your charge paladin
Stunlock kill the level 100 hammer paladin or bone spirit necro who thinks he is invincible
Getting a character to max level only took a single evening, and I was even being generous with the time spent since it was so long ago so it was probably quicker than I said.
It was a very very small percent of your playtime.
Maybe. What zoomers don’t understand tho is gaming, even if the game wasn’t good, was magical back then. You didn’t have women, Black folk, forced politics, buying skins and shit, wasn’t flooded with normalgays, dedicated servers, able to say “homosexual” without your account being banned and no one was offended…the list goes on. So while some of these “boomer” games may be overrated, the fact they were fun games for their time and the time they came out was amazing is what old fricks like me gravity to from our past. Not sure what kids don’t get it. They’ll be doing the same shit with Fortnite when the gaming community somehow gets MORE cancerous and they’ll all have nostalgia about BATTLEPASSES. I feel bad for zoomers.
I just explained all the reasons why it was magical and you just resort to “you were a kid”. That can be one variable but you just ignored everything else. I’m shocked you were able to type a post without using Black person slang
Corporations ban you when you say homosexual because otherwise homosexuals would throw a hissy fit and stop consuming the goyproduct if you are not banned. Corporations benefit from these mentally ill zealots.
In a sense corporations weaponized (and monetized) mental illness.
Rhe final stage of "make your products ibto religions and consumers into zealots" is complete mental illlnesd.
The infantilization of the consumer is a tool to that end.
People did whichever run bots were currently running but baal bots were more common. We both know this but you're another autistic moron that has to have the last word.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no you are autistic you want the last word!! >proceeds to reply just so he can have the last word
>i did cow runs for xp
No one did that post 1.09 because their exp was nerfed. So many idiot zoomers ITT pretending to play a game their parents poopsocked.
11 months ago
Anonymous
People didn't run cows for exp. They did run them for socketet items, ethereal items and gems/runes
I mean yeah that was one of the reasons why i wanted the item back then lol. I think D2R has a few more areas where the item can drop since they raised like all the area levels in Hell difficulty to be the highest so you can do runs in different areas for high tier loot but I do recall that Hell difficulty Baal was the only boss that would drop the item in OG D2.
D2 didn't have endgame at all.
They just made some drop rates so low that you would need to play for 20 years to get certain items... and some 'people' actually didn't.
The most interesting legendary is the one that makes enemies explode after kicking and the 2nd most interesting is the one that gives you an extra charge of cooldown skills.
They hate D4 because they can't bot and RMT their gear but they won't admit it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What's to bot? Item level + 1? Lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly. You hate that you have to actually earn your drops because trade is intentionally gimped even if you can technically exchange yellow items. Chinese bot farmers can't get rich.
The problem with items in D3 at launch was that modifiers were random, so a very small minority of drops were actually usable by any class (dex or lifesteal on a wand, int on an axe, whatever).
11 months ago
Anonymous
D3 at launch had blue items being better than legendaries because they just gave absurdly higher stat bonuses.
Because the item gets immediately off-progress 5mins later
You find a new cool item, it's level X, best in slot, dick of the gods
5min later you increase a level, the monsters increase a level, and your item decreases a level effectively
Finding generic item #43286 is not fun. Especially when it gonna it scaled 1% next level. Interesting items that can be used for making alts is just a better system.
Because it would encourage fostering online friendships and a community to trade items with so you end up with people you can trust to get harder stuff. If you find a Sorc or Barb friend and then you find a bunch of Sorc or Barb items that you can trade or give to them then you end up with good friends who can help you do harder stuff like Uber tristram and help you farm torches so you can get better items for other characters and do more runs and people would just give you runes you need for runewords and then you pay them back later with other favours like maybe you find a +1 Combat Skill pally GC with +STR mods that's worth like several hi runes and you give it to your Smiter friend since he's just doing Uber trist for you for free.
D3 was just a cold and lonely game as there was no sense of community. Diablo 4 sort of remedies this a little bit but it still doesn't really foster as much of a natural community. Just a lot of randoms
People who defend the lack of trading in D3 and D4 utterly baffle me. Say what you will about D2, but at least it fostered camaraderie (and similarly a lack thereof) in a meaningful way. You could be a selfish dick or you could be helpful and generous. If everyone gets their own loot then that entire dynamic disappears entirely.
Or people would sell it in the Internet because we now have people moronic enough to pay real money for that kind of crap.
After I saw sites selling Elden Ring stuff, I can't believe the average IQ of gamers isn't of a capuchin monkey.
And then they remove social features because of these morons and also because they want to cash in with their moronation with their official 'microtransactions' and 'time savers' as well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I won't deny that people sold items through various forums and sites for D2 even back in the OG days but the vast majority of us were barely even teenagers playing this shit on a 300mhz Pentium with 64MB of RAM. We didn't have money back then and buying anything online with a credit card was risky shit then.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even then, buying the items absolutely RUINS the game. Most of the fun of D2 is in the chase, which is why PD2 seasons only last a few months before they reset the servers/ladder. They add some new content here and there each season to balance classes and make things a bit more interesting, but having to start over from scratch every 3-4 months makes it feel fresh.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I agree, I mean I avoid buying items for advantages in games because that's just not the sort of stuff I was raised to accept and was taught to be patient in a lot of my hobbies and crafts. I guess there is that saying of "back then I had time but no money so all I did was play games, now I got money and all these games and no time to play them." But then that's when I question if you're truly playing the game if all you're doing is buying your way though it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But you can just play SF or something. Certainly the D2 economy has problems with botting, duping and such, but what's the problem with selling items per se? Back in D2 LoD I made a cheeky 2k just selling stuff I found. Loved it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There’s nothing wrong with it, I just know from experience that buying items in games like D2 makes me feel like a chump and causes me to lose interest in playing it. There is something inexplicably thrilling about finding the shit on your own or by trading for it, but paying for it really cheapens the experience for me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
True I don't like buying stuff either. I do like that my loot is worth real money though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Most of the fun of D2 is in the chase
The chase is not fun though, modern arpgs should show you this. Baldo from poe thought the chase was the fun and made his entire game the chase with little to no payoff, and its drastically less fun than d2. The chase is part of the fun, but its short term chase. Finding your 3 socketed ethereal mageplate isn't fun if it's gonna take you a week, two weeks, a month or a year to fricking finish it with the shit you wanted. The chase is fun when its a short chase, with a payoff, then another chase begins.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I tend to drop it and start another character instead if I'm still interested in the gameplay loop.
I love games like Nioh but when you're stuck at the point of grinding for that specific confluence of the values and effects you need while crafting can only change one of them is when I quit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Right, and what makes D2 remarkable is that there are enough items that drop frequently enough to constantly make you feel like you are inching closer and closer to your goal. At least in the modded versions they have “maps” which are like huge dungeons with random affixes that can increase drop rates and such. In the original D2 you could only really do that in the cow level or chaos runs (or even Baal runs I guess). But you’d always be finding things that could get you closer to what you needed to achieve an optimal build, so it’d be rare for you to experience a long period of total frustration over finding nothing at all.
I've been playing about as long or I used to st thst time.. I had tons of everything. People would bot and dupe and so was a currency for a while.. you just never found one in the wild, yeah? I get very confused reading since D2R about people saying drops were rare and they had to grind. I never really did much. Everything seemed fairly available. Are these people just pretending they played at release?
I had this same thought not too long ago. I found several HRs and got my sorceress to a pretty decent point on my own from just solo farming routine things (Andariel, Mephisto, Cows, etc). The people who complain about nothing ever dropping must really not have played for very long.
>D2 didn't have endgame at all.
you had killing everything at highest difficulty once + leveling up to 100 if you wanted. overfarming shit to complete a set or gear up new builds were more about hanging out with your bros to chat while on the same game. remember, solo baal runs are not something people ever did 150000 time.
yes and it's still fun.
here are some reasons why homosexual >you're doing baal runs with 7 other people >stuff drops every single time, average loot is above decent consistently >takes literally 2 minutes per run >you teleport all the way there past the meaningless garbonzo
shocking that these combine for a fun experience huh?
also clown shit, from someone who never played d2 because basically nobody was mf farming baal let alone doing solo runs. the solo runs were meph and diablo because they were strictly faster to get to for essentially the same returns
moreover, half of peoples farming happened on nightmare. shocking that good stuff exists in the game at all points and not just when you're level 98 right? :^)
there is a reason d1/d2/tq are the pinnacle of arpgs and will forever be, because fast boss farming with good average drops is mandatory to the fricking genre.
>They just made some drop rates so low
Clownnnnn take. If the drop rates in d2 were bad, what the frick are you doing playing modern arpgs where the drop rates are literally exponentially worse in every way?
Is it? It says Diablo 4 at the top, why can you post as Diablo 4 as a random butthole? I don't understand reddit, actually don't explain, I don't care.
I had fun playing diablo2. I played through it 3 times. I think the problem with modern blizzard games is, that I don't want to play them even for 3 minutes.
I genuinely don’t understand the autistic urge to play the same game forever, well past the point of tedium. Even if you claim that 99% of games are terrible, that still leaves like a million other games you could also be playing.
yeah end game sucks but like before you can even start that you already cleared all the worthwhile content on its highest difficulty.
wanting to autstically minmax just for the joy of seeing how strong you can make a charater is one thing, but feeling that you need to do that instead of just rerolling or move on is another
I played through D2 once when it came out and it felt a total waste of time, top-down loot casino games really are the bottom of the barrel of gaming. D2 is like a mobile game before mobile games existed.
the difference is in d2 you weren't expected to get to level 100
D2 was a game from different era. Back then people didn't realize how it's possible to make people addicted to simple games by showering them with loot and make money out of it.
Diablo games started a trend they didn't understand back then.
>assblasted zoomers heard somewhere that baalruns is all you do >don't even research what a baalrun is, automatically assume the goal is to kill baal
you only kill baal once, and it's not even necessary for anything other than respec token ingredients and getting the patriarch/matriarch/guardian
in resurrected it's also necessary to unlock terror zones, but otherwise, nobody fricking kills baal in baalruns
>visits website for autists >opens thread on favorite board >"im old and played this game but im not an autist youre autists lol" >autistically awaits interaction
Yeah I also played D2 when it came out. I'm not interested in that style of game anymore, but that doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't one of the best in its genre. You should exercise your brain more, you might be mentally stunted.
I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MONEY BLIZZARD.
I WILL NOT VUY YOUR GAME.
I WILL NOT BUY THE MICROTRANSACTION.
I WILL NOT BUY THE SEASONAL PASS.
I WILL PIRATE YOUR GAME.
I WILL MOD QUESTIONABLE CONTENT ON IT.
I WILL SHARE IT.
AND I WILL NOT PLAY IT.
In Hell maybe, but in Normal and Nightmare the majority just clear the council and make next. I'm basing this off of levelling in Ladder about three weeks or so ago. I haven't played online non-Ladder since D2R launch so maybe it's different in non.
This is wrong and historical revisionism. If anything it should be filled with Countess runs. And if you were a Zon it would also be filled with Act 1 The Pit and Act 2 Sewers runs for golden chests along with random Pindleskin runs.
That's right, diablo 2 had no endgame. "Killing the last boss over and over again" was not intended by the developers to be something you do a lot.
It was generic singleplayer you played for the sake of campaign, Diablo 1&2 are more like roguelikes than mmos.
Daiblo2 farm >look for high desinsity areas that you can kill easy >avoid certain type of enemies >always kill uniques >carfully pick up between white, blue, yellow, set and unique items >play a build that synergies well
Diablo4 farm >wander aimlessly >kill everything since they scale with your level >loot only oranges
Rares have a higher chance to roll with only 3 stat modifiers, and will always be lower compared to a legendary equivalent unless you wanna compare a standard legendary to a sacred rare. You didn't play the game, or you're hardstuck in T2 somehow.
You claimed to "loot only oranges". Like the streamer you worship told you.
You don't know shit, and you can even get 800+ rares from vendors.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not that guy and I don't bother with streamers anymore because twitch sucks wiener. When my legendary staff rolls with 100 more willpower than any yellow I've ever seen, then I'm going to assume yellows are worthless. Their only value is if you REALLY need an aspect, and 99/100 times you're better overwriting a stock legendary anyway.
11 months ago
Anonymous
All affixes reach highest tier at ilvl 725, yellows and oranges can roll 4 of them with same values. More ilvl is just more base damage or armor.
>Didn't sit and listen to all the gossip choices for every new quest
People skip it because they have heard a million times, but they did listen to it.
Please, no Diablo game has ever had a good story.
1's story was >satan appeared under this church, please take care of it
2's story was >the idiot we sent to kill satan pushed satan's israeliteelry into his forehead, please take care of it.
Diablo games before 2 had atmosphere and a semi-interesting setting
true, especially the first 3 level types. however d2's gameplay is far superior. and actually i'd say the fact that you can't run in d1 just added to the atmosphere because you can't just run away from your problems. if you found yourself surrounded it was over.
true, especially the first 3 level types. however d2's gameplay is far superior. and actually i'd say the fact that you can't run in d1 just added to the atmosphere because you can't just run away from your problems. if you found yourself surrounded it was over.
As you guys mentoned speed is a thing that damages atmosphere and storytelling in general.
Games have gotten faster and flashier to the point where skipping content is almost a given.
>mods >offline play >5 times more builds than d4 >rare loot that feels exciting to find >fast gameplay (no horses, loading screens every 2 minutes, empty zones) >actual music and not ai generated garbage >varied environments and enemies
d2 hard mogs d4 and its 100 years old. d4 is generic mobileslop as it gets
the frick are you smoking zoomie? d2 has been abandoned a long time ago. the only difference is when a live service game gets abandoned its literally over
>the only difference is when a live service game gets abandoned its literally over
Not for D4! They've cracked it lmao. Granted it's not 100% yet and can only play up to the 1st act or something but it's there.
i have my original CDs still with me, homosexual
you don't even know how many in total the original game had
actually, let's see your bnet account and the D2/LoD tied to it huh
A big difference is d2 is a very old fricking game designed primarily as a one and done singleplayer game where the playerbase loved it so much they did this shit. While d4 is a brand new, 10-year dev time game that's intended to be played forever, there's no real thing to do at the moment besides that Lilith fight and farming feels so shit with how spread out every enemy is in most content
You f5 and scroll (farming) through thousands of shitposts to find a single decent conversation (unique drop). I wouldn't be surprised if a scan showed the exact same area of the brain becoming active. It taps into the primal animal desire to forage and which feeds addictions like gambling.
D4 does not have a SINGLE original idea.
D4 took the UI from D3 and made it WORSE in every single way. Not one single part of the D4 UI is an improvement over the D3 UI.
Seasons will NOT make the game better, people are sheep or shills and forget why seasons were added in the first place.
No Leaderboards to reset
No Paragon to reset (capped at 100)
No Economy to reset (no trading)
Nightmare Dungeons (rifts) cappped at 100, no timer, you can't fail.
'Seasons' are no different than you deleting your character.
lilith dropped a damn good unique ring when I killed her that heavily improved my werewolf build, (hitting 5 or more enemies with core abilities refunds the cost by a certain percent) what you talking about?
Why would I download the launcher just to register my CD keys with it so I can play on ancient Bnet when I haven't played on the official servers since 2010? My keys were banned, anyway. Stupid homosexual.
I'd rather do 15000 baal runs than get on my horse and ride out to a dungeon with long empty hallways 15000 times. You're doing the same thing either way, but at least D2 farming locations were short and satisfying.
Why is being smug or passive aggressive the only marketing strategy of blizzard shills?
>don't you guys have phones? >are you guys poor? >you criticize diablo 3 for being too colorful? we'll make a gay rainbow pony level to "own" you >all those shit talking dragonflight ads >all those old "I play WoW, what's YOUR game?"
I think it's more like the devs' shittiness rubbed on their fanbase, all those sex/harrassment scandals they got themselves into over the years sums up pretty well their personality, no wonder they are pushing so hard with the gay shit in overwatch in order to fix their public image.
Endgame is a fricking meme. You play D2, finish the story and move on to a different character or difficulty. The grinding is pure autism that has ruined the series
LE is still in early access you moron. And it sucks and already has a functioning cash shop. Biggest regret buying that fricking game. It better be fricking amazing at launch.
>h-heh autism lol i win
nah, you got called out on your bullshitting
c&s&d, take this L, ratio, you lost etc
whatever it is you zoomers say to "own"
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, normal people don't memorize a numbers from some games they last had contact with 20 years prior.
To even expect that means you're mentally ill and can't relate to normal human behavior.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Memorizing a number.
Not them but it's 1-3 and the question isn't even about the number itself. It's about recalling that your weapon has a variable value and could hit a 1 if you were unlucky. You would know that if you played the game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shit, i don't even remember damage ranges for a weapon in a game I played today.
I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The actual number isn't important, they were clearly trying to see if you recalled a basic concept. >WOOPAH YOU REMEMBER NUMBERS? AUTISTIC???
Disingenuous c**t.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>what was the original damage dealt by the axe
Is the question, moving goalposts now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
Worse— teenaged third-worlders.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I thought the damage of the axe (as in the act 1 norm base) was 4 - 13 or some shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Depends on what kind of axe we're talking about.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The lil starting hand axe was like 1-9 I think but I've been playing more modded D2 lately so I could be confusing it with that.
It looks fine when you're actually playing and not watching a tiny baby sized webm. D2R in general looks surprisingly decent and even good sometimes, which is weird after W3R was completely terrible.
>which is weird after W3R was completely terrible.
from what i remember, W3R had greatly gimped development resources from the start because activision never really saw the point of it. they also used a 2nd rate SEAmonkey studio for all of the putrid remastered assets.
and then there's D2R done by an american studio with a proven track record of remasters. they did such a good job that AB bought them
It is because it's got some fixes to things that weren't fixed in the OG D2 games (e.g Fend bug) and some extra stuff added like new runewords but do bear in mind it's basically building upon the mechanics of an approximately 20 year old game so there's gonna be some QoL features missing or lacking that you might take for granted in newer games.
I'm more curious about that. Used to play D1 and D2 as a kid but never go too far.
The remaster seemed interesting to get with a discount and play with friends. Not only D4 is expensive but right now some balancing issues I don't know if they're due to bad calibration or some pernicious intended monetization.
If you enjoyed D2 as a kid you will enjoy D2R even if you just want to play solo, in fact I recommend playing through the game at least once solo just to take it all in for the first time. I particularly am glad they fixed the Fend bug with Zon's a while back in a recent class balance patch because it used to make playing a Fend Spearazon almost unplayable when it interacted with using Dodge/Avoid passives in the middle of an attack. Even new things like Terror Zones and Sundered Charms show that they're committed to make small gradual additions to the game.
On the other note Diablo 4 isn't a bad game right now, in fact it's a fairly solid game but it isn't without its issues and the price point is somewhat absurd in a game with microtransactions. You're not really missing out on much if you decide to wait right now, the game will change for better or worse based on whatever decisions Blizzard make for the direction of the game so ultimately it works out in your favour regardless. D2 is pretty much a timeless classic and is still a lot of fun even to this day.
Over 20 years later, and Diablo 2 still has the best normal enemy design. The bosses aren't good though, but the itemization is good, I'd play the game for the atmosphere and music alone at least twice. I recommend it, and then play Grim Dawn
Damn, people are already getting bored of D4? Say what you want about D2, but the game was a fricking magical experience back when it first came out. It was a long shot from the solved game it is today.
I'm lvl 45 just because my friends keep asking me to play with them ,and so far at least half the game has either been walking or skipping cutscenes. I can't imagine how much time is spent not fighting anything if you do sit through the cutscenes.
Nope. You weren't intended to play the first two Diablo games forever. You really weren't supposed to with the original release of DIII either, but they eventually updated it to the point that there was stuff to do on an ongoing basis. I don't know what the deal is with Diablo II autists, I think they have brain problems.
Not in Diablo.
The way Diablo is known today is literally because of autism.
People played back then with friends, replayed a lot because of friends.
Single players replayed a lot too, as with any normal game back then.
But then autists created "the endgame!", play the same game emulating an MMO but without objectives.
Obviously only the people that don't like videogames continued to do 15000 runs on Baal for 1% of lvl 99 to farm runes and these people were forgotten.
Then Diablo 3 was announced and the people who were still being autistic cried louder, so, the Diablo got the fame of this shir instead of just an amazing and replayable game.
Well I don't get you, then. Because it's not players emulating an MMO, because the behaviors and design trends adopted by WoW and later MMOs stemmed from Diablo.
nope. pretty sure "endgame" started being used around the time of world of warcraft. they pretty much popularized the expectation that there's going to be some extra hard content at the end of the game to grind for a while until the next carrot-on-a-stick came out. yet another example of how WoW decimated the gaming industry
The idea of loot casino being a motivating factor started materializing in games like Diablo and WoW. Then whole industry refined it and here we are.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Diablo 2 feels like an MMO in more ways than that. Frick, Ragnarok Online was just Diablo 2 with an anime texture pack.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Frick, Ragnarok Online was just Diablo 2 with an anime texture pack
I refuse to talk with someone like you. You just don't understand simple videogames.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me I'm wrong, motherfricker, it's just slow Diablo 2.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me how Diablo is faster Ragnarok.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well I don't get you, then. Because it's not players emulating an MMO, because the behaviors and design trends adopted by WoW and later MMOs stemmed from Diablo.
Anon, it was 2001. MMOs were different back then and you know it.
Every MMO wanted to be like WoW starting in 05 or 06 for a time? Absolutely.
Did WoW had some Diablo in it? Of course.
But I am not saying that Diablo created the "modern" MMO standard and D2 spergs (and I mean these guys, not normal people who love the game) were the right guys pioneering this style.
The idea of "getting loot" stemmed from dungeons and dragons.
Ad&d perfected it with a set of books that allowed to generate magic treasure through affixes to get magic items with cool names related to tge properties.
After decades of d&d and countlesd tables and contributors there was so magic trash that some of it was compiled into bibles of magic items for d&d and ad&d.
Years later and several dungeon crawlers after diablo started production as a turn based dungeon crawler and was later modified into and action rpg.
They of course took tje idea of random genersted loot where properyies are related to the nsme of the item.
The point that im trying to make is that it goes way before Diablo, thou every iteration of the idea accelerated the "skinner box" effect.
Men are hoarders and collectors,xwe want to kill monsters and take cool things, that wasvone of the basis of d&d pen and paper.
The problem is the explotation of that human system to the point of today, where the game is a gatcha lotterybox casino disguised as an adventure / fantasy.
Diablo is to an rpg adventure what a fleshlight is to sex.
Anon, it was 2001. MMOs were different back then and you know it.
Every MMO wanted to be like WoW starting in 05 or 06 for a time? Absolutely.
Did WoW had some Diablo in it? Of course.
But I am not saying that Diablo created the "modern" MMO standard and D2 spergs (and I mean these guys, not normal people who love the game) were the right guys pioneering this style.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But that's what I'm saying! Pre-WoW MMOs generally weren't like that at all. It's not that Diablo players were emulating late 90s/early 00s MMOs. It's that their form of autism infected future MMOs
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not going to say the loot cassino in Diablo is good or bad. But it sure is fun clicking and killing shit and doing the same fricking thing for marginal gains. I usually like it but prefer to start a new character with another build and move on, but many people prefer to maximize their character.
Some people just never get over it and spend unhealthy amount of hours for that 0,000001% optimization. What devs finally found out is how many people are prone to this behavior.
And thus modern MMO and gacha mechanics.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'm not going to say the loot casino in Diablo is good or bad.
I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 2 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
D2's systems are cool but it really could have done with a more solid identity (which is why every clone rips the structure or aesthetic of 1 instead) and slowing itself down just a little bit.
Diablo 1.5.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 3 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
ftfy
11 months ago
Anonymous
I mean yeah it's the same thing but even faster, of course that's true. I'm just saying even D2 goes too far into "turn your brain off" territory.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's true for both games, D3 it's just even faster. In D4 there were attempts to slow it down, players aren't necessarily happy about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but D4's combat feels bad since you can tell it's the same engine as Diablo 3 but the slowdown feels artificial at least to me. It's like you're moving through water or some shit or trying to dance in a straight jacket.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>you can tell it's the same engine as...
Not specific to Diablo, but why do people make up such bullshit? Act like they know anything about game dev. This x game is the same engine as game y.
I've seen cliams like that thrown about many games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What else do you want to call it, Mr programmer man? I don't code but as a gamer, you can tell that the shit feels very similar but slowed down in a way that feels worse.
nope. pretty sure "endgame" started being used around the time of world of warcraft. they pretty much popularized the expectation that there's going to be some extra hard content at the end of the game to grind for a while until the next carrot-on-a-stick came out. yet another example of how WoW decimated the gaming industry
Dude, JRPGs were doing way before.
But yes, endgame back then was a thing to do after the proper end, not something to spend the the eternity doing it.
>It took two sequels, a mobile game, and a thousand copy-cat titles for people to realize the Diablo formula is actually really fricking stupid
Play an actually fun game that respects your time, Anons.
You could say something like that about pretty much every genre. >wow it took this long for people to realize that Mario clones are just running to the side and jumping? >wow it took this long for people to realize Doom clones are just moving and clicking enemies?
etc
Diablo 2 came out before the concept of an "endgame" was even a thing
The game was just so fun and variable you replayed it for it's own sake, not as some stepping stone before some sort of map system.
I would unironically rather run Baal 20,000 times sequentially with my bros than chink grindset goon legendaries in bland dungeons with bland monsters ad infinitum
I would rather run the pit 1000 times for one arachnid mesh than seek out any of the uninspired dull and frankly gay uniques in D4
It's called aesthetic and soul, D4 being corpo gonzo garbage being the issue
It was so weird seeing every single person making Diablo 2 videos drone out: >Diablo 4 is best game ever >Diablo 4 is best game ever >Diablo 4 is best game ever
all at the same time like some kind of broken record. I'm not one of those schizos that sees shills everywhere but it was so obvious when Diablo 4 first released. There is no way a single one of them believed that horse shit.
it's garbage from the "BUY COSMETICS" zoomed in aspect ratio to the ginormous Designed For Consoles monsters to the soulless linear moronic dungeons. as a final frick you they also pulled another D3 by raping a mainline D2 character into a moronic gay and stupid husk then killing it. it's like they take pleasure in killing what you love.
I will tell you this, it is a MASSIVE bait and switch. you feel good, feel good, then a certain period in you're like "hold up, I'm playing gauntlet legends?" then a little while after you're like "this is soulless trash frick this."
I'm back on D2:R rofl
sorry anon you're right, gauntlet legends doesn't deserve to be put in the same criteria as D4. Pick a shitty beat 'em up that comes to mind and plug that in.
>I'm not going to say the loot casino in Diablo is good or bad.
I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 2 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
D2's systems are cool but it really could have done with a more solid identity (which is why every clone rips the structure or aesthetic of 1 instead) and slowing itself down just a little bit.
Diablo 1.5.
you could do with a more solid identity gay. you're talking about balance in a decade+ old game that tens of thousands are still gooning to every single day because they can't replace the dopamine the soul of it slaps into their brain. that's not nostalgia it's basedbeans. the game is literally balanced around bnet now because of its inherent security flaws and because of what the playerbase demanded, go play SSF on an early patch mod noob.
>"Diablo 2 leans too hard into GO FAST GET THING for its own good at times. It would be even better if it was a bit more deliberate." >"ARE YOU SAYING DIABLO 2 BAD? NOOB."
Go be stupid somewhere else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>AAHHHHH THIS 20 YEAR OLD GAME BALANCED AROUND LADDER PLAY DOESN'T PLAY LIKE I THINK IT SHOULD AND IS BAD!! I'M GOING INSANE!!
noob
The only good game here was Diablo 1.
Diablo 2 was always a mindless clicker of people running around and things exploding looking for jackpots.
Co-op sucked ass.
I accidentally answered your question on anon's behalf here.
>I'm not going to say the loot casino in Diablo is good or bad.
I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 2 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
D2's systems are cool but it really could have done with a more solid identity (which is why every clone rips the structure or aesthetic of 1 instead) and slowing itself down just a little bit.
Diablo 1.5.
I'd kill for a Diablo 1 style game with D2 systems and mechanics.
That doesn't really answer the question beyond "2 is fast" in which case I'd argue that 1 is just simply too slow, with your character hobbling around like they need to take a shit constantly and enemies not much faster.
Nah, even 2 isn't that fast unless you're teleporting around everywhere.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Two minutes in you're barrelling through 60 demons like you're a goddamn bulldozer and picking up twenty items, what are you talking about? Diablo 2 is a very fast paced game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
2 mins in and you're hacking through literal trash that's intended to go down in a singular hit and get revived afterwards. The game doesn't stay that way anyway, after act 1 there's very few enemies you'll 1 shot with a basic attack as most classes. It's not like D1 had items worthwhile to pick up anyway most of the time, the itemization sucks in that game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Two minutes into d2? Horseshit, you're killing zombies that take 3-4 hits each, with single target attacks because that's what everyone has, quillboar that take 2 hits, yetis that take like 4-6, then dark valkyrie b***hes who take like 4+ each. If there are ever more than about 4 or 5 enemies max hitting you, you're running away cause you're fricking dead what is this 60 shit. People run from anything more than 1 small group of valkyries
11 months ago
Anonymous
Someone doesn't play Barbarian.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Barb and maybe paladin are the only classes in early D2 that can withstand a group of enemies.. Everyone else has to run away.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. You.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What you gonna do, use bash? Enjoy your 0 mana when you're too poor to afford mana potions to spam, barbarian isn't much different at the start of the game anon
>It's slow paced and you can use actual tactics.
Like what? Crowd enemies into a doorway and smack them one by one? You have so few abilities in 1 that's about all you can do unless you're a sorcerer and even then he just spams his strongest spell. >Items matter for more than 10 minutes.
Did you even play 2? A good runeword can last multiple acts at least, same with good uniques/rares. >Superior OST ambience and tone
They both have great music, but 2 has more variety. >Real dark fantasy.
Fair, D1 is nothing if not dark.
Not him but you could cast Elemental to damage enemies around the corner and cast Firewall to damage enemies who couldn't reach you. You could even close doors and shoot through barred windows or cast spells through them which is basically the classic tactic to beating The Butcher in D1. The other thing to do was to wear 2 Rings of Darkness lowering your light radius down so enemies didn't see you or get aggro'd by it so you could attack them from a distance.
Also my favourite funniest thing in Diablo 1 was: >open a trapped chest/door on the upper levels >dodge the arrow fired from the trap >several seconds later hear a monster die on the other end of the map from the arrow that was fired from the trap with the classic *BLEURGH* sound
Dunno why but that shit used to always get a chuckle
D2 trading is something I've always been on the fence about. It's moron easy to just trade up for everything you need. I just got my first Enigma ever on Ladder this season by trading up PGems and Rals for Ists to afford a Ber for it after getting lucky and finding a Jah, but to be honest working up the Gems and Rals to get a Jah would have only been an extra few weeks. On the other hand, SSF take too fricking long and it feels like such a drag getting your key pieces.
How can you type that out instead of just saying "it's shit?" Read that post back to yourself out loud and think about the state of gaming for a second.
It's fundamentally flawed. Shit itemization, no trade, no compelling dungeons, monsters are frickhuge and look like shit, even the aspect ratio is shit. It's D3.5
What do people actually like about Diablo?
I liked the first one because it was scary (back then), even if basic in gameplay. Played through D2 and it was pretty much the same. Pretty boring game with good visuals and atmosphere. I really don't understand grinding for gear in Diablo. Beat the game, done, GG. Can somebody explain?
Doing Mephisto or Council runs 50+ times in the hopes of finding something substantial, or doing Cows 50+ times to find a decent runeword base. It kind of sucks in D2R compared to PD2 because PD2 has some mechanics I’m assuming came from PoE like being able to “corrupt” items and finding maps that take away from the mind-numbing tedium of running the same thing over and over.
It's cool to try a set bonus or a different build, but when that's partly tied to some RNG you can't control, you end up either a crack loot addict grinder or give it up.
Pretty much. I come back every year or two for a playthrough. It's nice. There's usually some new community version to try as well. The people who play it nonstop need help.
And the weird thing is even games with multiple difficulties and bullshit bosses, you don't need minmaxed gear to finish it at least once or in most difficulty settings.
It ends up being a minmaxgrind to kill something a few seconds faster.
>Beat the game, done, GG. Can somebody explain?
You wouldn't understand anon. You're the kind of gamer who never goes into their menus, uses auto equip, auto best equip, just doesn't read and doesn't care they just wanna keep moving forward and beat the 'story' then close the game. Min maxing gear is fun, finding items is fun, building your character is fun. Diablo 1 was the same, slower pace, better atmosphere sure, but finding a ring of the heavens or a new sword or a cool item that you can put on and get better is good
Play a different genre than anything relating to rpgs if you don't care about the actual rpg systems which are stats, levels, equipment and min maxing them.
You are a good example of why rpg devs should balance games around having to min max to a reasonable degree otherwise you just lose and can't beat it, because their lazy design catering to people who don't care just leads to dogshit worse games
I think there's multiple different appeals depending on your type of autism.
You got your casual campaign gamer who will level to 40-50 beat campaign all done why waste more time on it.
You got your achievement hunter types who needs level to max
You got your min max types who want to spreadsheet all their shit. usually leaderboard tryhards as well.
Then there's those that just need something to dude weed chill out with that's brainless. diablos pretty good for that.
Then there's the gambling addicts, just looking for maxrolled gear.
And the last category i could think of would be the cool guys that come up with weird skill drafts and try to make them work, theyre havin fun.
Probably 80% of total players are campaign 1 and dones. and a good chunk of total players are following guides.
I mostly played D2 with the hero editor trying out different builds. Couldn't be arsed to do magic find runs and such.
Rest of the time I played hardcore which is awesome too.
>NOOO D4 ISN'T BAD, JUST LOOK AT THIS OLD GAME IN COMPARISON
So you're saying that D4 is slightly better, or just AS boring as a extremely liked title from the very early 2000s? weird flex, but alright
Diablo 2 end game had no alternative agenda other then to have fun meanwhile EVERYTHING Blizzard does isn't built for the players but for esports. >WoW arena is for MLG/MDI >WoW class balancing is for MLG/MDI >WoW M+ is for MLG/MDI >WoW raiding is for MLG/MDI >OW was for MLG/MDI >Hearthstone is for MLG/MDI >HotS was for MLG/MDI >Starcraft was for MLG/MDI
Diablos end game is nightmare dungeons which has M+ like affixes, I wonder what they plan to do with this? Surely it won't be for MLG/MDI.
And yet tens of thousands have been satisfied well over a decade just gearing alts, bossrunning and casually MF'ing/trading/socializing
It's almost like the game is so fricking good it doesn't even need an endgame.. unlike D4 where you just goon in shitty uninspired dungeons killing goatmen and ghosts ad infinitum
>It's almost like the game is so fricking good
No, not really.
It has no real alternatives, so people who got hooked up on its specific formula can't really switch to anything else.
D2 is a good game but not a >so fricking good
one.
It takes a very specific mindset to enjoy it, and a highly specific, borderline-autistic mindset to keep it as your "main game" and play it consistently for a decade.
I would even argue, that the way you're trying to blindly idolize shows you don't actually know much about the game.
Of course, I might be wrong, and you could just be a mindless fanatic, but the more probable scenario is that you never actually reached said "endgame" of D2 and only know its heavily romanticized description as is told by someone who's being momentary passionate instead of objective and trying to "sell" you on the game.
It was "so fricking good" at launch.
The changes to the way the world itself functions and games as an industry have shifted it to >That's pretty good.
It's a game where you can understand why people come back and occasionally replay it.
>It's a game where you can understand why people come back and occasionally replay it.
That I agree with. I do so too, from time to time. >It was "so fricking good" at launch.
I would argue it was worse than it is now but there is absolutely a sizeable number of D2 players who would've been happier if the focus was more on rares and less on uniques and especially runewords.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I meant in terms of like, being a proto-modern MMO and a great social game within its first five years, not specifically day one. Around release it was a huge leap forward for online gaming.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, its impact was monumental, which I agree with completely.
However, there are some fundamental design decisions present in it since the very start that are objectively not good and never were, i.e. it's not a case of the game "not aging well".
Those flaws were the reason the vast majority of people who tried playing it didn't reach D2's endgame back then, as well as won't be reaching its endgame today.
Hell is known as a huge difficulty spike but most people give up well before that.
I myself, playing D2 not too far from its initial release, had an absolute blast of playing through Normal as a Paladin, and had enough in me to also beat it as a Sorc. However, going through Nightmare was so exceedingly boring that I dropped the game afterward.
It took me a good decade to build enough curiosity (mostly fueled by mods like Median 2006 and Median XL later) to try it out again. All of that was spent slogging through NM, after which I dropped the game again.
And only two decades and a remaster release later, have I managed to stick to the game long enough to find any joy past Normal.
Now I've beaten 100% of the content the game has and I won't be returning to it for a few more years because ~1000 you-name-it runs later I ran out of all possible reasons and excuses that kept me playing it.
I might return, though. It is unique. It doesn't have any real alternatives.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You should play PD2. You may find a lot more to enjoy with that mod.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I appreciate the sentiment.
That being said, If I'll be playing modded D2 again, I'll be returning to Median XL. I have a couple thousand hours worth of nostalgia for that thing.
>ad hominem and gaslight ridden post
You sound like an absolute autistic slob, what a gay
If you're going to stack the odds in your favor this hard to try to get a piece of my butthole then let me put my lipstick on first homosexual
I'm not going to reply to your africano tier garbage so write it again like a man otherwise you're just a homosexual and a noob with shit taste
>if I first accuse him of resorting to fallacies and then respond with a post full of nothing but them, no one will ever be able to tell!
I accept your concession, my young friend.
Better luck with your next argument on the Internet!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Y-YOU CAN'T STOOP TO MY LEVEL!! THAT'S WORSE THAN ME DOING IT TO BEGIN WITH! HA!
Holy shit what a basic and boring little homosexual, no wonder you have shit moronic taste LOL
>D2's endgame is also barely even there.
Because they just made a game, the players created the end game on their own, it was never intended to have an 'end game' the same way shitty modern games are, they never hired 65 psychologists and asked them how to best manipulate you into playing forever or created stupid fricking grinds and designs purposely to slow you down or annoy you
The rare cool drops were probably supposed to be an uncommon and shiny stuff that eventually dropped in new playthroughs and served to change how you played a little.
But also were shiny Pokémon and we know how it went... Nintendo even had to ease the odds and implement items for grinding it so their crazy fans wouldn't reset the games for 28 years until a shiny starter came.
For me, the endgame was tricking people into leaving town and dropping their gear so I could take “screenshots of them for .jsp” and then hostile them while my mercenary was out of town so I could one shot them and steal all of their gear.
I grew up on DOS, but mostly stuff like Carmen SanDiego and Lucasarts stuff so I dunno. I've had fun with Diablo 1 and Lost Vikings (console game but still), but I looked into WC1 and it looks real fricking iffy.
I have no idea regarding W1 but W2 is a genuine sidegrade to W3 as a standalone RTS, so if you're interested in the genre you might want to try it out.
An old friend of mine has actually made a fairly decent map for W3 reimplementing most of the W2 gameplay. It's pretty cool.
I have no idea regarding W1 but W2 is a genuine sidegrade to W3 as a standalone RTS, so if you're interested in the genre you might want to try it out.
An old friend of mine has actually made a fairly decent map for W3 reimplementing most of the W2 gameplay. It's pretty cool.
Is there a community version of Warcraft 1 or 2 akin to Devilution/Project Diablo, or am I stuck fighting the 30 year old program if I want to play it as a window?
I have no idea regarding W1 but W2 is a genuine sidegrade to W3 as a standalone RTS, so if you're interested in the genre you might want to try it out.
An old friend of mine has actually made a fairly decent map for W3 reimplementing most of the W2 gameplay. It's pretty cool.
Baal and Mephisto were kinda cool, why aren't they in Diablo 4? And why isn't Diablo in Diablo 4?
I'm not buying a diablo game without Diablo, who the frick cares about Lilith or the lesser evils.
He's a fricking dog and described as *afraid*
They humiliated not only any male characters around Lilith, but the lord of hatred himself (being her father)
A fricking joke.
How am I supposed to fear the PRIME EVILS ?
Truthfully, I never really like PoE 1 much. Felt sort of clunky, but I understood the appeal. I did, however, play a shitton of FATE when I was younger. Sadly, that's by only real experience with the genre and I fear I won't be able to get into the classic games since they look clunky and unappealing. Is there a remake of these?
Why the hell the fallen ones in Diablo 4 won't be frightening anymore, how could they missed such a simple iconic detail, devs literally proved they have never played any previous diablo games
It's true, but expand that to the entire genre. Diablo 4 is a marginally better Diablo 2, but the moment to moment gameplay is still extremely brainless and the entire thrill of the game comes from the mechanical equivalent of slot machine.
A click-to-move game will never have good real time action combat.
Still looking for an ARPG that hits the spot like Diablo II did.
Always online with FOMO seasons is such a deal breaker for me.
Diablo 3 & 4 made good advancements in letting you experiment with different skills, while not overwhelming you with hundreds of different level up choices all at once.
Think Torchlight II got the closest (loved the secrets/puzzles that broke up the dungeon crawling), but the game balance/stat scaling seemed pretty bad?
Definitely gave off the feel of being an unfinished game.
I did try it but lost interest.
Had that same gruelling game pace as Titan Quest, where you're just hoping maybe there'll be a quest or event to break up the sluggish grind.
Imagine it picks up once you gear up, but it was offputting.
Maybe I'll give it another go some day.
>StarCraft Ghost and original Diablo 3 are complete, but we'll never get to play them because of "quality concerns" and beauracracy. >Meanwhile Blizz shits out trash constantly.
>did poorly
sadly no. it is almost impossible for games like d4 to bomb. they are specifically designed to be whale bait on top of the 70$ price tag, they dont care what you think because paypiggies wills shell out thousands of dollars reguardless
Diablo 2 was acceptable at the time. It is vastly over rated, more so than classic WOW. If you are willing to accept shit graphics and gameplay at least demand better atmosphere and play Diablo 1.
Also key runs to prep for torch hunts, Trav runs and Lower Kurast chest runs, Countess runs. Not to mention the farming locations CAN vary depending on your build just due to how resistances work, which gives value to Infinity runeword and Sunder Charms just for the sake of variance, etc.
nah D2 is based
the demake is overrated af
Based on what?
On Diablo 1, I think. I could be wrong
>Based on what?
>I'd also like an answer to this
Based on how awesome it is, remake didn't do it justice
I'd also like an answer to this
What a weird nitpick.
Im tired of
> le dad with kids excuse.
Dads should be able to play good ganes instead of being brainwashed into playing shit.
So they should avoid Blizzard games completely, is what you're saying.
>avoid Blizzard games
Only those made after being acquired by Activision
StarCraft 2 is good.
No.
Oh come on, it's okay.
The base campaign at least.
I'm a dad and I avoid blizzard games entirely and would never make lame excuses as those "I don't have time" homosexuals.
I have a friend who has 2 kids, travels a lot for field research and work and plays even more vidya than me (i.e. he finishes more games in the same period of time) in his spare time.
He never complained about that kind of shit.
And when he was loaded of stuff to do or sick kids, he would just not fricking play video games and sort his shit until a breather period game. It seems those 'dads' don't understand you're not forced to play games as a part-time job when you've got more important thing going.
we have a dad with kids on the poeg general, but the funny thing is that he's a norwegian living on welfare playing games all day. He's the same stereotyped moron with the shit opinions and air of grandeur as your pic, while at the same time being extremely bad at the game and having to resort to RMT and buying challenges/carries to achieve anything. I never seen a more pathetic person in my life
>Late game problems dont effect me therefore hard core people are dumb and being causal is good
typical blizzard paypig
This is the exact person d4 is going to milk and they will justify it as "working dad"
Based boomers. Minmaxers ruin everything and deserve nothing.
Good
Now tell me casuals didn't ruin videogames forever
D2 ressurect is more D2 than original D2
After the control updates, it also made the game 100x more fun to play, especially for characters like barbarian and necro who have 10+ skill slots used
D2 ressurected also has better art than 2D (immersion/atmosphere wise), while fully respecting the original (minus removing some breasts from statues, fricking nu-blizzard)
You only prefer the left one because it makes you horny.
It’s true, I do typically prefer things that make me horny over things that do not.
So while right is objectively a better design, you still prefer the left because your neurons activate the moment you see breasts.
What can I say— my dick has great taste.
Heh. homosexual.
Right isn't an objectively better design. Left has way more soul. Also it has an obvious theme. She has been overtaken by something demonic that has turned her fricking head into a bird demon. The right just looks like she is wearing fricking red fishnets and slapped a skull on her face. Lame.
Best would be a middleground. Head is still very birdlike and the nasty tendrils have ravaged her more clearly instead of her still being kinda hot.
Nah. She is supposed to look like an absolute demon. All the heroes from D1 were utterly corrupted. Hell the warrior that Diablo was inhabiting was literally busting with flesh beasts. She's not supposed to look human anymore.
But that's what I'm saying. The bird head should be less human.
Fat breasts and asses mesh well with the demon-ness imho. Like in WH40k Slaanesh.
The only redesign I'm against is Charsi. It was literally part of her character according to the dialogue that she was young and naive. No real sense in making her look 30 at minimum and removing her whoppers.
Well duh
homie you need some pussy and sun light
>Diablo 4 is so boring 15000 Baal runs look fun
Nice self own Blizzshit
This. Nostalgiagays don't remember how terrible it was.
D2 classic (expansion never)
Join a rush lobby
Sit in town, jump into a portal every minute or so to grab a quest item
Jump to the next difficulty without killing anything
Do it two more times, maybe an hour or so total
Now join end game lobbies, enter the portal and just run around like a headless chicken
Each game lasts about a minute as the boss is quickly killed
Repeat for about 4 hours till you hit level 80
Congrats you are "max level" due to the exp diminishing returns not being worth it
Do a few hours of magic finding on a sorc (no point using any other character for this)
Trade some of your uniques for other items
Most builds work with gear that isn't even that rare
Spend the next 100 hours doing pvp outside of town with your charge paladin
Stunlock kill the level 100 hammer paladin or bone spirit necro who thinks he is invincible
I remember exactly what D2 was like.
Why did you play like this?
Sounds like a dumb way to play.
>why would you spend almost all your time on pvp?
Because it was fun.
It didn't sound like you were having fun but I'll trust you
Getting a character to max level only took a single evening, and I was even being generous with the time spent since it was so long ago so it was probably quicker than I said.
It was a very very small percent of your playtime.
>I remember exactly what streamers told me it was like
have a dog treat, slave.
Maybe. What zoomers don’t understand tho is gaming, even if the game wasn’t good, was magical back then. You didn’t have women, Black folk, forced politics, buying skins and shit, wasn’t flooded with normalgays, dedicated servers, able to say “homosexual” without your account being banned and no one was offended…the list goes on. So while some of these “boomer” games may be overrated, the fact they were fun games for their time and the time they came out was amazing is what old fricks like me gravity to from our past. Not sure what kids don’t get it. They’ll be doing the same shit with Fortnite when the gaming community somehow gets MORE cancerous and they’ll all have nostalgia about BATTLEPASSES. I feel bad for zoomers.
>You didn’t have women, Black folk
They're on the character select screen.
Yes, in Diablo 1 back in 1996 when you picked a sorcerer.
Diablo 2 had Sorceress, Amazon, and Assassin. Not to mention the first camp was mostly female. Not sure where this “no women” take comes from.
t. 35 year old
games back then were magical because you were a kid you moronic homosexual
I just explained all the reasons why it was magical and you just resort to “you were a kid”. That can be one variable but you just ignored everything else. I’m shocked you were able to type a post without using Black person slang
>have a nice day myself
Dumbass zoomers. Fricking have a nice day.
The root of the problem is more insidious.
Corporations ban you when you say homosexual because otherwise homosexuals would throw a hissy fit and stop consuming the goyproduct if you are not banned. Corporations benefit from these mentally ill zealots.
In a sense corporations weaponized (and monetized) mental illness.
Rhe final stage of "make your products ibto religions and consumers into zealots" is complete mental illlnesd.
The infantilization of the consumer is a tool to that end.
>Nostalgiagays don't remember
People who play D2 don't need to remember anything because they are still fricking playing it you absolute moron.
True, Diablo 1 is where true soul lies.
Baal runs weren't the end game of D2 tho?
Did Blizzard even play their own game?
Yes they were
No they were not
Mega Prime Evis are
>a tacky 20 minute quest added years after release by a different team is end game
Baal runs are what people did for 99.9% of the time.
Nta but you're not really supposed to play Diablo 2 after you beat Hell. Just because you can doesn't mean it was designed to be end game.
>20 min
Only if u r extremely lucky to find the good torch for your class
very few people do baal runs, he doesnt drop anything particular that isnt easier to farm elsewhere
Are you just googling shit about the game without playing it? Everyone did baal runs for exp.
that's not true, everyone mainly did chaos runs because it was a lot faster and more fun to play than playing baal's waiting simulator
People did whichever run bots were currently running but baal bots were more common. We both know this but you're another autistic moron that has to have the last word.
>no you are autistic you want the last word!!
>proceeds to reply just so he can have the last word
we are one and the same
i played d2r eccessivly back in the day, i killed baal maybe 8 times
i did cows for xp and rare elite runs for drops
>d2r
>back in the day
Idiot
>i did cow runs for xp
No one did that post 1.09 because their exp was nerfed. So many idiot zoomers ITT pretending to play a game their parents poopsocked.
People didn't run cows for exp. They did run them for socketet items, ethereal items and gems/runes
you didn't HAVE to do baal runs (there were other options), also you didn't have to do level that much anyway, just stop at 90+
Isn't he the only boss that can drop Tyrael's and Templar's Might though?
Who needs Tyrael except for showcase
I mean yeah that was one of the reasons why i wanted the item back then lol. I think D2R has a few more areas where the item can drop since they raised like all the area levels in Hell difficulty to be the highest so you can do runs in different areas for high tier loot but I do recall that Hell difficulty Baal was the only boss that would drop the item in OG D2.
>a boss solely used for leveling is end game
Baal runs referred to the waves not the boss himself.
Yeah and waves were only good for leveling.
That's what people did. What else would you consider "end game" in Diablo 2?
Not leveling.
D2 didn't have endgame at all.
They just made some drop rates so low that you would need to play for 20 years to get certain items... and some 'people' actually didn't.
>actually did
frick autocorrect
At least finding items that could be used for different classes was progression. D4 loot is garbage.
But in D4 you can get items for other classes???
t. didn't actually play D4
t. didn't play barbarian
The most interesting legendary is the one that makes enemies explode after kicking and the 2nd most interesting is the one that gives you an extra charge of cooldown skills.
How is finding an item not suitable for your character a progression? Don't make a prostitute out of logic.
One of the biggest complaints in D3 was getting items not suitable for you class, D2 boomers just can't make up their mind
They hate D4 because they can't bot and RMT their gear but they won't admit it.
What's to bot? Item level + 1? Lmao
Exactly. You hate that you have to actually earn your drops because trade is intentionally gimped even if you can technically exchange yellow items. Chinese bot farmers can't get rich.
The problem with items in D3 at launch was that modifiers were random, so a very small minority of drops were actually usable by any class (dex or lifesteal on a wand, int on an axe, whatever).
D3 at launch had blue items being better than legendaries because they just gave absurdly higher stat bonuses.
Because the item gets immediately off-progress 5mins later
You find a new cool item, it's level X, best in slot, dick of the gods
5min later you increase a level, the monsters increase a level, and your item decreases a level effectively
Finding generic item #43286 is not fun. Especially when it gonna it scaled 1% next level. Interesting items that can be used for making alts is just a better system.
Because it would encourage fostering online friendships and a community to trade items with so you end up with people you can trust to get harder stuff. If you find a Sorc or Barb friend and then you find a bunch of Sorc or Barb items that you can trade or give to them then you end up with good friends who can help you do harder stuff like Uber tristram and help you farm torches so you can get better items for other characters and do more runs and people would just give you runes you need for runewords and then you pay them back later with other favours like maybe you find a +1 Combat Skill pally GC with +STR mods that's worth like several hi runes and you give it to your Smiter friend since he's just doing Uber trist for you for free.
D3 was just a cold and lonely game as there was no sense of community. Diablo 4 sort of remedies this a little bit but it still doesn't really foster as much of a natural community. Just a lot of randoms
This.
People who defend the lack of trading in D3 and D4 utterly baffle me. Say what you will about D2, but at least it fostered camaraderie (and similarly a lack thereof) in a meaningful way. You could be a selfish dick or you could be helpful and generous. If everyone gets their own loot then that entire dynamic disappears entirely.
Or people would sell it in the Internet because we now have people moronic enough to pay real money for that kind of crap.
After I saw sites selling Elden Ring stuff, I can't believe the average IQ of gamers isn't of a capuchin monkey.
And then they remove social features because of these morons and also because they want to cash in with their moronation with their official 'microtransactions' and 'time savers' as well.
I won't deny that people sold items through various forums and sites for D2 even back in the OG days but the vast majority of us were barely even teenagers playing this shit on a 300mhz Pentium with 64MB of RAM. We didn't have money back then and buying anything online with a credit card was risky shit then.
Even then, buying the items absolutely RUINS the game. Most of the fun of D2 is in the chase, which is why PD2 seasons only last a few months before they reset the servers/ladder. They add some new content here and there each season to balance classes and make things a bit more interesting, but having to start over from scratch every 3-4 months makes it feel fresh.
I agree, I mean I avoid buying items for advantages in games because that's just not the sort of stuff I was raised to accept and was taught to be patient in a lot of my hobbies and crafts. I guess there is that saying of "back then I had time but no money so all I did was play games, now I got money and all these games and no time to play them." But then that's when I question if you're truly playing the game if all you're doing is buying your way though it.
But you can just play SF or something. Certainly the D2 economy has problems with botting, duping and such, but what's the problem with selling items per se? Back in D2 LoD I made a cheeky 2k just selling stuff I found. Loved it.
There’s nothing wrong with it, I just know from experience that buying items in games like D2 makes me feel like a chump and causes me to lose interest in playing it. There is something inexplicably thrilling about finding the shit on your own or by trading for it, but paying for it really cheapens the experience for me.
True I don't like buying stuff either. I do like that my loot is worth real money though.
>Most of the fun of D2 is in the chase
The chase is not fun though, modern arpgs should show you this. Baldo from poe thought the chase was the fun and made his entire game the chase with little to no payoff, and its drastically less fun than d2. The chase is part of the fun, but its short term chase. Finding your 3 socketed ethereal mageplate isn't fun if it's gonna take you a week, two weeks, a month or a year to fricking finish it with the shit you wanted. The chase is fun when its a short chase, with a payoff, then another chase begins.
I tend to drop it and start another character instead if I'm still interested in the gameplay loop.
I love games like Nioh but when you're stuck at the point of grinding for that specific confluence of the values and effects you need while crafting can only change one of them is when I quit.
Right, and what makes D2 remarkable is that there are enough items that drop frequently enough to constantly make you feel like you are inching closer and closer to your goal. At least in the modded versions they have “maps” which are like huge dungeons with random affixes that can increase drop rates and such. In the original D2 you could only really do that in the cow level or chaos runs (or even Baal runs I guess). But you’d always be finding things that could get you closer to what you needed to achieve an optimal build, so it’d be rare for you to experience a long period of total frustration over finding nothing at all.
Half of my school played D2, if you needed something for your characters chances were someone already had it and was willing to trade.
Yeah, I love it when I get items I don't want and will never use, because they could be used on a different class I don't want to play.
I've still never had a Zod drop and I've played since LoD was new
I've been playing about as long or I used to st thst time.. I had tons of everything. People would bot and dupe and so was a currency for a while.. you just never found one in the wild, yeah? I get very confused reading since D2R about people saying drops were rare and they had to grind. I never really did much. Everything seemed fairly available. Are these people just pretending they played at release?
I had this same thought not too long ago. I found several HRs and got my sorceress to a pretty decent point on my own from just solo farming routine things (Andariel, Mephisto, Cows, etc). The people who complain about nothing ever dropping must really not have played for very long.
They quit before they ever made it to hell and/or they were stupid and thought you could farm normal fallen for a ber.
>D2 didn't have endgame at all.
you had killing everything at highest difficulty once + leveling up to 100 if you wanted. overfarming shit to complete a set or gear up new builds were more about hanging out with your bros to chat while on the same game. remember, solo baal runs are not something people ever did 150000 time.
yes and it's still fun.
here are some reasons why homosexual
>you're doing baal runs with 7 other people
>stuff drops every single time, average loot is above decent consistently
>takes literally 2 minutes per run
>you teleport all the way there past the meaningless garbonzo
shocking that these combine for a fun experience huh?
also clown shit, from someone who never played d2 because basically nobody was mf farming baal let alone doing solo runs. the solo runs were meph and diablo because they were strictly faster to get to for essentially the same returns
moreover, half of peoples farming happened on nightmare. shocking that good stuff exists in the game at all points and not just when you're level 98 right? :^)
there is a reason d1/d2/tq are the pinnacle of arpgs and will forever be, because fast boss farming with good average drops is mandatory to the fricking genre.
>They just made some drop rates so low
Clownnnnn take. If the drop rates in d2 were bad, what the frick are you doing playing modern arpgs where the drop rates are literally exponentially worse in every way?
>shocking that these combine for a fun experience huh?
That sounds like an incredible waste of time. Play better games.
>he says in a Diablo thread
Why are you even here?
>Did Blizzard even play their own game?
That's clearly a random idiot on Reddit
Is it? It says Diablo 4 at the top, why can you post as Diablo 4 as a random butthole? I don't understand reddit, actually don't explain, I don't care.
that's the subreddit name you illiterate moron
>That's the bababobo you illiterate fool
That's what (you) sound like
Anon, you sound like an old man who can't work a smartphone and blames it on everything but his own incompetence.
Yes I do
Actually braindead
I had fun playing diablo2. I played through it 3 times. I think the problem with modern blizzard games is, that I don't want to play them even for 3 minutes.
Consider the following: don't keep replaying it after it gets boring. There are other games.
I genuinely don’t understand the autistic urge to play the same game forever, well past the point of tedium. Even if you claim that 99% of games are terrible, that still leaves like a million other games you could also be playing.
yeah end game sucks but like before you can even start that you already cleared all the worthwhile content on its highest difficulty.
wanting to autstically minmax just for the joy of seeing how strong you can make a charater is one thing, but feeling that you need to do that instead of just rerolling or move on is another
I played through D2 once when it came out and it felt a total waste of time, top-down loot casino games really are the bottom of the barrel of gaming. D2 is like a mobile game before mobile games existed.
D2 was a game from different era. Back then people didn't realize how it's possible to make people addicted to simple games by showering them with loot and make money out of it.
Diablo games started a trend they didn't understand back then.
>I played through VIDEO GAME once when it came out and it felt like a total waste of time
Maybe it just wasn't for you?
the difference is in d2 you weren't expected to get to level 100
Diablo 2 is still good. Sure I run baal 100x but at the end I get loot. Even for other chars.
In D4 I just get bullshit items.
>assblasted zoomers heard somewhere that baalruns is all you do
>don't even research what a baalrun is, automatically assume the goal is to kill baal
you only kill baal once, and it's not even necessary for anything other than respec token ingredients and getting the patriarch/matriarch/guardian
in resurrected it's also necessary to unlock terror zones, but otherwise, nobody fricking kills baal in baalruns
That looks like shit. It's more soulless than D4 by far.
>BOlet
BO at 32
mald more gayola
>mald
Is reddit back yet?
>A zoomer lecturing me about D2R mechanics that didn't exist when he wasn't even born.
I played D2 20 years ago, yeah the game impressed my teenage self. But it's a shit game and I never got baited by D2R nostalgia.
It's only kids pretending to be oldschool are playing it (or autists who didn't metnally grow since its release 20 years ago)
>It's only kids pretending to be oldschool are playing it (or autists who didn't metnally grow since its release 20 years ago)
fricking /thread
what kind of mature games a boomer like yourself plays?
Diablo Immortal and Tom and Jerry gacha
i'm 33 and you're a larping, samegayging Black person
you 100% have no idea what the original damage of the axe was
don't even bother responding
>visits website for autists
>opens thread on favorite board
>"im old and played this game but im not an autist youre autists lol"
>autistically awaits interaction
Yeah I also played D2 when it came out. I'm not interested in that style of game anymore, but that doesn't mean it isn't/wasn't one of the best in its genre. You should exercise your brain more, you might be mentally stunted.
I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MONEY BLIZZARD.
I WILL NOT VUY YOUR GAME.
I WILL NOT BUY THE MICROTRANSACTION.
I WILL NOT BUY THE SEASONAL PASS.
I WILL PIRATE YOUR GAME.
I WILL MOD QUESTIONABLE CONTENT ON IT.
I WILL SHARE IT.
AND I WILL NOT PLAY IT.
My exact feelings about D2R.
>nobody fricking kills baal in baalruns
But they do you fricking idiot. I haven't seen a group that just clears the waves and leaves in a long time.
In Hell maybe, but in Normal and Nightmare the majority just clear the council and make next. I'm basing this off of levelling in Ladder about three weeks or so ago. I haven't played online non-Ladder since D2R launch so maybe it's different in non.
I generally used baal runs to do tower runs and andy runs. Easy way to get full lobbies.
The only monsters that give xp after lvl 97 or 98 were baal, diablo and nihilithak in the original
This is wrong and historical revisionism. If anything it should be filled with Countess runs. And if you were a Zon it would also be filled with Act 1 The Pit and Act 2 Sewers runs for golden chests along with random Pindleskin runs.
I have more fun running nightmare andy for SoJs than I do playing Diablo 4 dungeons
That's right, diablo 2 had no endgame. "Killing the last boss over and over again" was not intended by the developers to be something you do a lot.
It was generic singleplayer you played for the sake of campaign, Diablo 1&2 are more like roguelikes than mmos.
Except no one played single player. Everyone played D2 like a MMO.
No
U moron
You don't know what the frick MMO is.
Imagine shitting on the work of people much more talented than you, without whom you wouldn't exist in the first place.
Daiblo2 farm
>look for high desinsity areas that you can kill easy
>avoid certain type of enemies
>always kill uniques
>carfully pick up between white, blue, yellow, set and unique items
>play a build that synergies well
Diablo4 farm
>wander aimlessly
>kill everything since they scale with your level
>loot only oranges
Skill issue
>loot only oranges
Does a Black person like you even know you can imprint legendary powers?
And you have to of course because if you gain a level your legendary becomes worthless lmao
Rares still roll with less stats, and you'd much rather imprint on a legendary drop, so yeah rares have more value until you hit T3.
This is false, you didn't play D4.
Rares have a higher chance to roll with only 3 stat modifiers, and will always be lower compared to a legendary equivalent unless you wanna compare a standard legendary to a sacred rare. You didn't play the game, or you're hardstuck in T2 somehow.
You claimed to "loot only oranges". Like the streamer you worship told you.
You don't know shit, and you can even get 800+ rares from vendors.
I'm not that guy and I don't bother with streamers anymore because twitch sucks wiener. When my legendary staff rolls with 100 more willpower than any yellow I've ever seen, then I'm going to assume yellows are worthless. Their only value is if you REALLY need an aspect, and 99/100 times you're better overwriting a stock legendary anyway.
All affixes reach highest tier at ilvl 725, yellows and oranges can roll 4 of them with same values. More ilvl is just more base damage or armor.
>haha we have more stuff than a 23 year old game
The levels of D4 cope
So you admit that it's better then? Finally, someone speaks the truth.
more stuff =/= better else MMORPGs would be top of the gaming world
MORE CONTENT BAD
D2 fans are mentally ill.
Yeah that's right, more content is bad. It's like if you opened a thick book and found only the first 20 pages had anything printed on them.
>durr more is always better
>what is design
>what is atmosphere
>what is lore
>what is recognizable itemization
LESS CONTENT GOOD MORE CONTENT B A D
OLD GOOD NEW BADDDD
>content
lel
lmeo
The mentally broken modern blizzgay. You haven't recovered since D3 cut LAN off.
the funny thing is I can't figure out if you're a blizzdrone or PoE fantard
Because you have literal shit for brains
It's because you're a fricking moron who thinks that bloating the game with tons of content and feature creep makes something good
>find 180 lilith shrines on this huge boring map
Gotta love D4 """content""".
Diablo 2:
>Story worth playing through
Diablo 4:
>Story not worth playing through
If neither game has fun endgame, you can only compare the actual game...
More like
Diablo 2
>Story so lackluster no one bothered to let "!" NPCs finish their convos after 20 years
Diablo 4:
>Best narrative in the series BY FAR
>>Best narrative in the series BY FAR
Hahaha
>Didn't sit and listen to all the gossip choices for every new quest
People skip it because they have heard a million times, but they did listen to it.
if someone is using the term 'narrative' you already know it's bullshit
No we listened to it once, we just don't need to listen to it 8917243 times after a the first one or two times.
Please, no Diablo game has ever had a good story.
1's story was
>satan appeared under this church, please take care of it
2's story was
>the idiot we sent to kill satan pushed satan's israeliteelry into his forehead, please take care of it.
Diablo games before 2 had atmosphere and a semi-interesting setting
Meant to say before 3, but I'd argue that D1 had better atmosphere than D2
true, especially the first 3 level types. however d2's gameplay is far superior. and actually i'd say the fact that you can't run in d1 just added to the atmosphere because you can't just run away from your problems. if you found yourself surrounded it was over.
But you can run in D1 with the added unofficial Hellfire expansion
As you guys mentoned speed is a thing that damages atmosphere and storytelling in general.
Games have gotten faster and flashier to the point where skipping content is almost a given.
Simple is not the same as bad.
D2 had custom servers mods and PvP though
>D4 devs mad that D2 is still a superior game
the series is overrated, it's the most fricking boring genre out there
Is that supposed to make Diablo 4 less boring or something?
>23 year old game is almost as bad a current year one
embarrassing
>mods
>offline play
>5 times more builds than d4
>rare loot that feels exciting to find
>fast gameplay (no horses, loading screens every 2 minutes, empty zones)
>actual music and not ai generated garbage
>varied environments and enemies
d2 hard mogs d4 and its 100 years old. d4 is generic mobileslop as it gets
>comparing a game that has 23 years of improvements to a game that isn't even two weeks old
the frick are you smoking zoomie? d2 has been abandoned a long time ago. the only difference is when a live service game gets abandoned its literally over
>the only difference is when a live service game gets abandoned its literally over
Not for D4! They've cracked it lmao. Granted it's not 100% yet and can only play up to the 1st act or something but it's there.
So in 23 years of improvements they learned nothing that would be applied to Diablo 4? LMAO
imagine using "b-but other games are shit too!" as a defense for your overpriced, average game
It's funny because they did the exact same thing to defend Diablo 3, all those years ago.
>stop criticising our game because this 25 year old game had issues too
Yes.
Heat death of the universe will come and you'll still find D2 boomers saying it's the best thing since the blowjob was invented.
Baal runs were done mostly for the exp.
I enjoyed grinding in D2, I did not enjoy doing the same dungeon more than 3 times in D4 beta
simple as
>edngame
>what is the pandemonium event
Not that anyone would expect a D4 dev to know.
for what reason do you even farm all these items in those 5 stages. Diablo is like a mmo but only for the item grind. I dont get the appeal at all
>I dont get the appeal at all
if you don't set up a goal for yourself (i.e. complete this build) it has none
If you ever even start talking about "end game" you've already missed the point and should have a nice day.
all 'le d2 boomers' here don't even know that the game used to have a literal forced end when you beat it
No we remember that was how it was in Classic D2, we also know that LOD changed all that.
You only know this because you tried classic in D2R one time, faker.
i have my original CDs still with me, homosexual
you don't even know how many in total the original game had
actually, let's see your bnet account and the D2/LoD tied to it huh
I don't play modern Blizzard games, drone.
>modern
aight frick off gay ass larper
Why in the frick would I have the modern blizzard launcher on my computer? Eat shit. I play D2 on private servers.
A big difference is d2 is a very old fricking game designed primarily as a one and done singleplayer game where the playerbase loved it so much they did this shit. While d4 is a brand new, 10-year dev time game that's intended to be played forever, there's no real thing to do at the moment besides that Lilith fight and farming feels so shit with how spread out every enemy is in most content
D2 defined the genre. D4 has 0(ZERO) original ideas.
Browsing Ganker is the same thing.
You f5 and scroll (farming) through thousands of shitposts to find a single decent conversation (unique drop). I wouldn't be surprised if a scan showed the exact same area of the brain becoming active. It taps into the primal animal desire to forage and which feeds addictions like gambling.
Except that Ganker isn't a video game. But damn I do have to admit you are technically correct though.
you people have the most inane discussions. what are you even trying to convince each other of?
I am an OG and I know what people have to like and when they are wrong for liking something
I hate that "muh endgame" morons have killed this series because Blizzard thinks a minority of autistic morons are what matter.
In an odd way speedrunners in D2 have been keeping the scene alive by doing absurd builds to level up fast.
Speedrunners can lick my anus.
I credit people like Mrllama and the PD2 devs for keeping interest in D2 alive to the point that we got a remaster.
how are these games popular? I can't even finish them without boring myself half to death.
If you can't get addicted by constant loot shower, the genre is not for you.
>if our joyless shit bores you, then try playing a better game with actual chased items and social interactions 15 000 time!
I will!
Reminder Lilith drops NOTHING valuable AT ALL.
D4 does not have a SINGLE original idea.
D4 took the UI from D3 and made it WORSE in every single way. Not one single part of the D4 UI is an improvement over the D3 UI.
Seasons will NOT make the game better, people are sheep or shills and forget why seasons were added in the first place.
No Leaderboards to reset
No Paragon to reset (capped at 100)
No Economy to reset (no trading)
Nightmare Dungeons (rifts) cappped at 100, no timer, you can't fail.
'Seasons' are no different than you deleting your character.
t. salty turd worlder pissed that he can't play
lilith dropped a damn good unique ring when I killed her that heavily improved my werewolf build, (hitting 5 or more enemies with core abilities refunds the cost by a certain percent) what you talking about?
>digs further
by all means, keep going
it's fun to watch you embarrass yourself
Do you go around in life thinking random people have to justify themselves to your stupid ass?
you didn't play the original, Black person
everything you said, are saying and will say is thus irrelevant
Why would I download the launcher just to register my CD keys with it so I can play on ancient Bnet when I haven't played on the official servers since 2010? My keys were banned, anyway. Stupid homosexual.
>wahwahwah i have the keys honest they just banned loool waaah
yeah nah frick off
If you find any of that unbelievable, you're the one that didn't actually play.
let's see your CDs 🙂
I don't have a phone. You're just going to have to take my word for it.
>If you find this game boring, well this game is more boring!
Ok even if you assume they're right, that's pathetic
A lifetime of fluoride poisoning and brain damage from childhood vaccines are the reasons these games are considered popular.
I'd rather do 15000 baal runs than get on my horse and ride out to a dungeon with long empty hallways 15000 times. You're doing the same thing either way, but at least D2 farming locations were short and satisfying.
Why is being smug or passive aggressive the only marketing strategy of blizzard shills?
>don't you guys have phones?
>are you guys poor?
>you criticize diablo 3 for being too colorful? we'll make a gay rainbow pony level to "own" you
>all those shit talking dragonflight ads
>all those old "I play WoW, what's YOUR game?"
It's a reflection of their shithead fan base
Forgot to say "ads" at the last line
I think it's more like the devs' shittiness rubbed on their fanbase, all those sex/harrassment scandals they got themselves into over the years sums up pretty well their personality, no wonder they are pushing so hard with the gay shit in overwatch in order to fix their public image.
>oh you don't like diablo V? well look how shit diablo IV was and yet you liked it!
Endgame is a fricking meme. You play D2, finish the story and move on to a different character or difficulty. The grinding is pure autism that has ruined the series
af for real for real on cap no god
Is Diablo 2 Resurrected worth it?
It's worse than D4 in every conceivable way
How can it be worse when D2 is objectively better than D4?
Kek, you guys sound mad that you wasted 100 bucks on D4 and 2 weeks later, already nobody is playing the game anymore.
I've spent hundreds of hours on D1, D2, D3 and a couple of other similar games.
BUT I MOVED ON.
I'm still playing Diablo 4 right now.
Nope, fresh coat of paint for a badly aged game.
20 years ago, I would recommend it. But today there are many better ARPGS, including Diablo 4.
>But today there are many better ARPGS
Could you give some examples?
Diablo 4.
Basically most games that were released after D2 defined the genre. GD, LE, D3, PoE
LE is still in early access you moron. And it sucks and already has a functioning cash shop. Biggest regret buying that fricking game. It better be fricking amazing at launch.
>Spells out the game already listed.
>Gives acronyms for everything else.
Thanks, "LE" is very helpful.
Grim Dawn, Last Epoch, Diablo 3, Path of Exile
Why would I play a game I don't own?
Can't polish a turd
Just play Diablo 2. Shiny graphics don't matter and you don't need Battle.net with the original.
all these assblasted replies from homosexuals that didn't play it should be enough for you lol
Yes, I didn't play D2R. I played D2 before you were even born, zoomer. I'm not going back to that shit game.
what was the original damage dealt by the axe?
still waiting, homosexual
you'd know if you played d2 upon release
Not them but it's 1-3
That was my point moron. I'm not autistic enough to remember every detail about a game I stopped playing two decades ago.
You just proved you need to be on spectrum to vehemently defend D2.
>h-heh autism lol i win
nah, you got called out on your bullshitting
c&s&d, take this L, ratio, you lost etc
whatever it is you zoomers say to "own"
Anon, normal people don't memorize a numbers from some games they last had contact with 20 years prior.
To even expect that means you're mentally ill and can't relate to normal human behavior.
>Memorizing a number.
Not them but it's 1-3 and the question isn't even about the number itself. It's about recalling that your weapon has a variable value and could hit a 1 if you were unlucky. You would know that if you played the game.
Shit, i don't even remember damage ranges for a weapon in a game I played today.
I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
>The actual number isn't important, they were clearly trying to see if you recalled a basic concept.
>WOOPAH YOU REMEMBER NUMBERS? AUTISTIC???
Disingenuous c**t.
>what was the original damage dealt by the axe
Is the question, moving goalposts now.
>I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
>I know it's silly question, but isGanker filled with autists?
Worse— teenaged third-worlders.
I thought the damage of the axe (as in the act 1 norm base) was 4 - 13 or some shit.
Depends on what kind of axe we're talking about.
The lil starting hand axe was like 1-9 I think but I've been playing more modded D2 lately so I could be confusing it with that.
That one is 1 - 6 I think
in other words, "no"?
holy shit the red lightning effect is PATHETIC
It looks fine when you're actually playing and not watching a tiny baby sized webm. D2R in general looks surprisingly decent and even good sometimes, which is weird after W3R was completely terrible.
>which is weird after W3R was completely terrible.
from what i remember, W3R had greatly gimped development resources from the start because activision never really saw the point of it. they also used a 2nd rate SEAmonkey studio for all of the putrid remastered assets.
and then there's D2R done by an american studio with a proven track record of remasters. they did such a good job that AB bought them
>they did such a good job that AB bought them
RIP to them.
Type F in the chat boys.
sprint bar will always be the worst thing about D2
It is because it's got some fixes to things that weren't fixed in the OG D2 games (e.g Fend bug) and some extra stuff added like new runewords but do bear in mind it's basically building upon the mechanics of an approximately 20 year old game so there's gonna be some QoL features missing or lacking that you might take for granted in newer games.
quickcast in itself is a godsend
I'm more curious about that. Used to play D1 and D2 as a kid but never go too far.
The remaster seemed interesting to get with a discount and play with friends. Not only D4 is expensive but right now some balancing issues I don't know if they're due to bad calibration or some pernicious intended monetization.
If you enjoyed D2 as a kid you will enjoy D2R even if you just want to play solo, in fact I recommend playing through the game at least once solo just to take it all in for the first time. I particularly am glad they fixed the Fend bug with Zon's a while back in a recent class balance patch because it used to make playing a Fend Spearazon almost unplayable when it interacted with using Dodge/Avoid passives in the middle of an attack. Even new things like Terror Zones and Sundered Charms show that they're committed to make small gradual additions to the game.
On the other note Diablo 4 isn't a bad game right now, in fact it's a fairly solid game but it isn't without its issues and the price point is somewhat absurd in a game with microtransactions. You're not really missing out on much if you decide to wait right now, the game will change for better or worse based on whatever decisions Blizzard make for the direction of the game so ultimately it works out in your favour regardless. D2 is pretty much a timeless classic and is still a lot of fun even to this day.
If you want the authentic D2 experience then it’ll come pretty close. Frankly I prefer the mods like PD2 or PoD. They’re like fricking crack.
Over 20 years later, and Diablo 2 still has the best normal enemy design. The bosses aren't good though, but the itemization is good, I'd play the game for the atmosphere and music alone at least twice. I recommend it, and then play Grim Dawn
Why does Grim Dawn look better than Diablo 4 when it came out 7 years ago?
Damn, people are already getting bored of D4? Say what you want about D2, but the game was a fricking magical experience back when it first came out. It was a long shot from the solved game it is today.
To date, Diablo III is the only game in the franchise with a fun endgame.
*Diablo 3 is the only fun Diablo game
FTFY
Diablo 3 (post-fix) is still the most fun I had with the series, and Monk's my favorite class.
is d4 similar to vanilla wow? is the game actually hard or is it just boring?
I'm lvl 45 just because my friends keep asking me to play with them ,and so far at least half the game has either been walking or skipping cutscenes. I can't imagine how much time is spent not fighting anything if you do sit through the cutscenes.
it's a slower lost ark with less bullshit gearing mechanics
D2 absolutely shits on d4 and zoomers are slop enjoyers
cool reddit thread op
Did devs even think about shit like an "endgame" back then?
Nope. You weren't intended to play the first two Diablo games forever. You really weren't supposed to with the original release of DIII either, but they eventually updated it to the point that there was stuff to do on an ongoing basis. I don't know what the deal is with Diablo II autists, I think they have brain problems.
Not in Diablo.
The way Diablo is known today is literally because of autism.
People played back then with friends, replayed a lot because of friends.
Single players replayed a lot too, as with any normal game back then.
But then autists created "the endgame!", play the same game emulating an MMO but without objectives.
Obviously only the people that don't like videogames continued to do 15000 runs on Baal for 1% of lvl 99 to farm runes and these people were forgotten.
Then Diablo 3 was announced and the people who were still being autistic cried louder, so, the Diablo got the fame of this shir instead of just an amazing and replayable game.
>emulating an MMO
You say this like modern MMOs weren't significantly influenced by Diablo.
>You say this like modern MMOs weren't significantly influenced by Diablo.
No, I don't.
Well I don't get you, then. Because it's not players emulating an MMO, because the behaviors and design trends adopted by WoW and later MMOs stemmed from Diablo.
The idea of loot casino being a motivating factor started materializing in games like Diablo and WoW. Then whole industry refined it and here we are.
Diablo 2 feels like an MMO in more ways than that. Frick, Ragnarok Online was just Diablo 2 with an anime texture pack.
>Frick, Ragnarok Online was just Diablo 2 with an anime texture pack
I refuse to talk with someone like you. You just don't understand simple videogames.
Tell me I'm wrong, motherfricker, it's just slow Diablo 2.
Tell me how Diablo is faster Ragnarok.
The idea of "getting loot" stemmed from dungeons and dragons.
Ad&d perfected it with a set of books that allowed to generate magic treasure through affixes to get magic items with cool names related to tge properties.
After decades of d&d and countlesd tables and contributors there was so magic trash that some of it was compiled into bibles of magic items for d&d and ad&d.
Years later and several dungeon crawlers after diablo started production as a turn based dungeon crawler and was later modified into and action rpg.
They of course took tje idea of random genersted loot where properyies are related to the nsme of the item.
The point that im trying to make is that it goes way before Diablo, thou every iteration of the idea accelerated the "skinner box" effect.
Men are hoarders and collectors,xwe want to kill monsters and take cool things, that wasvone of the basis of d&d pen and paper.
The problem is the explotation of that human system to the point of today, where the game is a gatcha lotterybox casino disguised as an adventure / fantasy.
Diablo is to an rpg adventure what a fleshlight is to sex.
Anon, it was 2001. MMOs were different back then and you know it.
Every MMO wanted to be like WoW starting in 05 or 06 for a time? Absolutely.
Did WoW had some Diablo in it? Of course.
But I am not saying that Diablo created the "modern" MMO standard and D2 spergs (and I mean these guys, not normal people who love the game) were the right guys pioneering this style.
But that's what I'm saying! Pre-WoW MMOs generally weren't like that at all. It's not that Diablo players were emulating late 90s/early 00s MMOs. It's that their form of autism infected future MMOs
I'm not going to say the loot cassino in Diablo is good or bad. But it sure is fun clicking and killing shit and doing the same fricking thing for marginal gains. I usually like it but prefer to start a new character with another build and move on, but many people prefer to maximize their character.
Some people just never get over it and spend unhealthy amount of hours for that 0,000001% optimization. What devs finally found out is how many people are prone to this behavior.
And thus modern MMO and gacha mechanics.
>I'm not going to say the loot casino in Diablo is good or bad.
I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 2 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
D2's systems are cool but it really could have done with a more solid identity (which is why every clone rips the structure or aesthetic of 1 instead) and slowing itself down just a little bit.
Diablo 1.5.
>I'll say it for you: it's bad. In Diablo 3 you get too much shit too fast. You also fight too much shit too fast. The game's pacing is ridiculous relative to the actual interface and presentation and at times it devolves into blind clicking and explosions of unidentified bullshit on the ground. The game consequently never gets attached to one idea or aesthetic or mood for long because it's GO GO GO all the time to such a degree that it would make a belt scroller blush.
ftfy
I mean yeah it's the same thing but even faster, of course that's true. I'm just saying even D2 goes too far into "turn your brain off" territory.
It's true for both games, D3 it's just even faster. In D4 there were attempts to slow it down, players aren't necessarily happy about it.
Not that anon but D4's combat feels bad since you can tell it's the same engine as Diablo 3 but the slowdown feels artificial at least to me. It's like you're moving through water or some shit or trying to dance in a straight jacket.
>you can tell it's the same engine as...
Not specific to Diablo, but why do people make up such bullshit? Act like they know anything about game dev. This x game is the same engine as game y.
I've seen cliams like that thrown about many games.
What else do you want to call it, Mr programmer man? I don't code but as a gamer, you can tell that the shit feels very similar but slowed down in a way that feels worse.
nope. pretty sure "endgame" started being used around the time of world of warcraft. they pretty much popularized the expectation that there's going to be some extra hard content at the end of the game to grind for a while until the next carrot-on-a-stick came out. yet another example of how WoW decimated the gaming industry
Dude, JRPGs were doing way before.
But yes, endgame back then was a thing to do after the proper end, not something to spend the the eternity doing it.
Diablo 2 was so fricking trash that bots had to kill Baal for you
>no argument
>MENTALLY ILL I WIN
add another thing to the btfo pile
Who are you quoting, schiz?
>You must remember a specific number from a game you haven't played in ages
Calm down and think about it for a while.
>i never played the game but like to pretend i did for some anomalous board cred
yeah
this is you
>It took two sequels, a mobile game, and a thousand copy-cat titles for people to realize the Diablo formula is actually really fricking stupid
Play an actually fun game that respects your time, Anons.
Okay, I'll wait for you to recommend one.
You should play Helldivers.
You could say something like that about pretty much every genre.
>wow it took this long for people to realize that Mario clones are just running to the side and jumping?
>wow it took this long for people to realize Doom clones are just moving and clicking enemies?
etc
Diablo 2 came out before the concept of an "endgame" was even a thing
The game was just so fun and variable you replayed it for it's own sake, not as some stepping stone before some sort of map system.
I would unironically rather run Baal 20,000 times sequentially with my bros than chink grindset goon legendaries in bland dungeons with bland monsters ad infinitum
I would rather run the pit 1000 times for one arachnid mesh than seek out any of the uninspired dull and frankly gay uniques in D4
It's called aesthetic and soul, D4 being corpo gonzo garbage being the issue
It was so weird seeing every single person making Diablo 2 videos drone out:
>Diablo 4 is best game ever
>Diablo 4 is best game ever
>Diablo 4 is best game ever
all at the same time like some kind of broken record. I'm not one of those schizos that sees shills everywhere but it was so obvious when Diablo 4 first released. There is no way a single one of them believed that horse shit.
it's garbage from the "BUY COSMETICS" zoomed in aspect ratio to the ginormous Designed For Consoles monsters to the soulless linear moronic dungeons. as a final frick you they also pulled another D3 by raping a mainline D2 character into a moronic gay and stupid husk then killing it. it's like they take pleasure in killing what you love.
I will tell you this, it is a MASSIVE bait and switch. you feel good, feel good, then a certain period in you're like "hold up, I'm playing gauntlet legends?" then a little while after you're like "this is soulless trash frick this."
I'm back on D2:R rofl
>hold up, I'm playing gauntlet legends?
Hey, Gauntlet Legends doesn't deserve that slander.
sorry anon you're right, gauntlet legends doesn't deserve to be put in the same criteria as D4. Pick a shitty beat 'em up that comes to mind and plug that in.
you could do with a more solid identity gay. you're talking about balance in a decade+ old game that tens of thousands are still gooning to every single day because they can't replace the dopamine the soul of it slaps into their brain. that's not nostalgia it's basedbeans. the game is literally balanced around bnet now because of its inherent security flaws and because of what the playerbase demanded, go play SSF on an early patch mod noob.
>"Diablo 2 leans too hard into GO FAST GET THING for its own good at times. It would be even better if it was a bit more deliberate."
>"ARE YOU SAYING DIABLO 2 BAD? NOOB."
Go be stupid somewhere else.
>AAHHHHH THIS 20 YEAR OLD GAME BALANCED AROUND LADDER PLAY DOESN'T PLAY LIKE I THINK IT SHOULD AND IS BAD!! I'M GOING INSANE!!
noob
>AND IS BAD
Who said this?
Quit replying noob
The only good game here was Diablo 1.
Diablo 2 was always a mindless clicker of people running around and things exploding looking for jackpots.
Co-op sucked ass.
Please tell me how 1 is good in ways 2 isn't.
I accidentally answered your question on anon's behalf here.
I'd kill for a Diablo 1 style game with D2 systems and mechanics.
>D2 systems and mechanics.
Chug potions? Chug more potions.
Don't forget to mash keyboard every 30 secs to apply all shouts.
You know what I mean, b***h. Skill tree, runewords, etc. D1 is a bit barebones.
I actually like the simplicity of D1. That's its greatest strength IMO. All of the mods that try and change it feel worse to me.
I don't think it should go full autism, but having to make a couple actual choices per run would be nice.
That doesn't really answer the question beyond "2 is fast" in which case I'd argue that 1 is just simply too slow, with your character hobbling around like they need to take a shit constantly and enemies not much faster.
>'d argue that 1 is just simply too slow,
I'd agree, which is why I said a 1.5 would probably be ideal. 2 overcorrected. Still good despite that.
Nah, even 2 isn't that fast unless you're teleporting around everywhere.
Two minutes in you're barrelling through 60 demons like you're a goddamn bulldozer and picking up twenty items, what are you talking about? Diablo 2 is a very fast paced game.
2 mins in and you're hacking through literal trash that's intended to go down in a singular hit and get revived afterwards. The game doesn't stay that way anyway, after act 1 there's very few enemies you'll 1 shot with a basic attack as most classes. It's not like D1 had items worthwhile to pick up anyway most of the time, the itemization sucks in that game.
Two minutes into d2? Horseshit, you're killing zombies that take 3-4 hits each, with single target attacks because that's what everyone has, quillboar that take 2 hits, yetis that take like 4-6, then dark valkyrie b***hes who take like 4+ each. If there are ever more than about 4 or 5 enemies max hitting you, you're running away cause you're fricking dead what is this 60 shit. People run from anything more than 1 small group of valkyries
Someone doesn't play Barbarian.
Barb and maybe paladin are the only classes in early D2 that can withstand a group of enemies.. Everyone else has to run away.
Yeah. You.
What you gonna do, use bash? Enjoy your 0 mana when you're too poor to afford mana potions to spam, barbarian isn't much different at the start of the game anon
It's slow paced and you can use actual tactics.
Items matter for more than 10 minutes.
Superior OST ambience and tone
Real dark fantasy.
>It's slow paced and you can use actual tactics.
Like what? Crowd enemies into a doorway and smack them one by one? You have so few abilities in 1 that's about all you can do unless you're a sorcerer and even then he just spams his strongest spell.
>Items matter for more than 10 minutes.
Did you even play 2? A good runeword can last multiple acts at least, same with good uniques/rares.
>Superior OST ambience and tone
They both have great music, but 2 has more variety.
>Real dark fantasy.
Fair, D1 is nothing if not dark.
Not him but you could cast Elemental to damage enemies around the corner and cast Firewall to damage enemies who couldn't reach you. You could even close doors and shoot through barred windows or cast spells through them which is basically the classic tactic to beating The Butcher in D1. The other thing to do was to wear 2 Rings of Darkness lowering your light radius down so enemies didn't see you or get aggro'd by it so you could attack them from a distance.
Also my favourite funniest thing in Diablo 1 was:
>open a trapped chest/door on the upper levels
>dodge the arrow fired from the trap
>several seconds later hear a monster die on the other end of the map from the arrow that was fired from the trap with the classic *BLEURGH* sound
Dunno why but that shit used to always get a chuckle
I beat Baal once and the uninstalled the game because I have fricking beaten it.
The real redpill is accepting that the best Diablo clone since D2 is Divine Divinity.
It's jank but it's the good jank.
Is there a way to play the original D2 but with the button options of DS2R? I kinda hate switching spells for M1 and M2
Start up D2R. Shift to original graphics mode.
This isn't indicative of how the original actually looked, it's noticably worse looking in D2R probably just for performance sake.
No, it looks worse because you're playing it blown up on an LCD or OLED screen.
D2 trading is something I've always been on the fence about. It's moron easy to just trade up for everything you need. I just got my first Enigma ever on Ladder this season by trading up PGems and Rals for Ists to afford a Ber for it after getting lucky and finding a Jah, but to be honest working up the Gems and Rals to get a Jah would have only been an extra few weeks. On the other hand, SSF take too fricking long and it feels like such a drag getting your key pieces.
>endgame
oh no, I must keep playing this game for 200,000 more hours!
I love how the game is already getting shit on to the point the goycattle are whataboutisming d2
It’s like a fricking week in
Chris won
Chris works at Blizzard right now, what are you even saying?
Whenever you spot someone dissing D2 and hyping up D4, just go ahead and assume right away that they're a Blizzard shill.
Or that they're just baiting idiots like you
They're both Blizzard games, so which one is being shilled?
>people would rather still play Diablo 2 than spending $70 on Diablo 4 and it drives blizztrannies crazy
Testament to the superior game.
Diablo 2 having problems does not excuse Diablo 4's problems. Diablo 4 having problems does not excuse Diablo 2's problems.
Diablo 2 being good does not make Diablo 4 bad. Diablo 2 being bad does not make Diablo 4 good.
Right, but the main question at hand is “Is Diablo IV a good game?”
What a conundrum
I'm going to go ahead and say no
It is. And like D2 and D3 has some issues that'll likely be improved with expansion.
It has some shit going on that could be fixed but I'm unsure if that's just rushed development or it's intentional due to microtransaction practices.
How can you type that out instead of just saying "it's shit?" Read that post back to yourself out loud and think about the state of gaming for a second.
Don't worry, I would never have paid $70 for this game. Maybe someday if it's in a better state.
Meanwhile, we have... ways to check it out.
It's fundamentally flawed. Shit itemization, no trade, no compelling dungeons, monsters are frickhuge and look like shit, even the aspect ratio is shit. It's D3.5
It's not good until I can play it offline/on a private server.
What do people actually like about Diablo?
I liked the first one because it was scary (back then), even if basic in gameplay. Played through D2 and it was pretty much the same. Pretty boring game with good visuals and atmosphere. I really don't understand grinding for gear in Diablo. Beat the game, done, GG. Can somebody explain?
It’s like a slot machine and evidently I am a gambling addict.
could you give me an example of how you grinded for something in Diablo?
4os Superior Monarch
Doing Mephisto or Council runs 50+ times in the hopes of finding something substantial, or doing Cows 50+ times to find a decent runeword base. It kind of sucks in D2R compared to PD2 because PD2 has some mechanics I’m assuming came from PoE like being able to “corrupt” items and finding maps that take away from the mind-numbing tedium of running the same thing over and over.
>Beat the game, done, GG.
This is normal human beings behavior. Maybe do a few extra runs and try out multiplayer a few times.
The people who play it forever are addicted.
It's cool to try a set bonus or a different build, but when that's partly tied to some RNG you can't control, you end up either a crack loot addict grinder or give it up.
That's why those games need free trade and no bind on equip.
You are inviting RWT
Good.
Pretty much. I come back every year or two for a playthrough. It's nice. There's usually some new community version to try as well. The people who play it nonstop need help.
And the weird thing is even games with multiple difficulties and bullshit bosses, you don't need minmaxed gear to finish it at least once or in most difficulty settings.
It ends up being a minmaxgrind to kill something a few seconds faster.
>Beat the game, done, GG. Can somebody explain?
You wouldn't understand anon. You're the kind of gamer who never goes into their menus, uses auto equip, auto best equip, just doesn't read and doesn't care they just wanna keep moving forward and beat the 'story' then close the game. Min maxing gear is fun, finding items is fun, building your character is fun. Diablo 1 was the same, slower pace, better atmosphere sure, but finding a ring of the heavens or a new sword or a cool item that you can put on and get better is good
>You wouldn't understand anon.
Yeah, doesn't sound like my thing. Complex boss fights, nice atmosphere? Don't mind if I do!
thanks
>Complex
>don't stand in shit
>don't get hit by shit
>hit boss
150+ IQ required
Play a different genre than anything relating to rpgs if you don't care about the actual rpg systems which are stats, levels, equipment and min maxing them.
You are a good example of why rpg devs should balance games around having to min max to a reasonable degree otherwise you just lose and can't beat it, because their lazy design catering to people who don't care just leads to dogshit worse games
I think there's multiple different appeals depending on your type of autism.
You got your casual campaign gamer who will level to 40-50 beat campaign all done why waste more time on it.
You got your achievement hunter types who needs level to max
You got your min max types who want to spreadsheet all their shit. usually leaderboard tryhards as well.
Then there's those that just need something to dude weed chill out with that's brainless. diablos pretty good for that.
Then there's the gambling addicts, just looking for maxrolled gear.
And the last category i could think of would be the cool guys that come up with weird skill drafts and try to make them work, theyre havin fun.
Probably 80% of total players are campaign 1 and dones. and a good chunk of total players are following guides.
I mostly played D2 with the hero editor trying out different builds. Couldn't be arsed to do magic find runs and such.
Rest of the time I played hardcore which is awesome too.
>NOOO D4 ISN'T BAD, JUST LOOK AT THIS OLD GAME IN COMPARISON
So you're saying that D4 is slightly better, or just AS boring as a extremely liked title from the very early 2000s? weird flex, but alright
Diablo 2 end game had no alternative agenda other then to have fun meanwhile EVERYTHING Blizzard does isn't built for the players but for esports.
>WoW arena is for MLG/MDI
>WoW class balancing is for MLG/MDI
>WoW M+ is for MLG/MDI
>WoW raiding is for MLG/MDI
>OW was for MLG/MDI
>Hearthstone is for MLG/MDI
>HotS was for MLG/MDI
>Starcraft was for MLG/MDI
Diablos end game is nightmare dungeons which has M+ like affixes, I wonder what they plan to do with this? Surely it won't be for MLG/MDI.
>Starcraft was for MLG/MDI
You mean Starcraft 2.
>Diablo 2 end game had no alternative agenda other then to have fun
D2's endgame is also barely even there.
And yet tens of thousands have been satisfied well over a decade just gearing alts, bossrunning and casually MF'ing/trading/socializing
It's almost like the game is so fricking good it doesn't even need an endgame.. unlike D4 where you just goon in shitty uninspired dungeons killing goatmen and ghosts ad infinitum
>It's almost like the game is so fricking good
No, not really.
It has no real alternatives, so people who got hooked up on its specific formula can't really switch to anything else.
D2 is a good game but not a
>so fricking good
one.
It takes a very specific mindset to enjoy it, and a highly specific, borderline-autistic mindset to keep it as your "main game" and play it consistently for a decade.
I would even argue, that the way you're trying to blindly idolize shows you don't actually know much about the game.
Of course, I might be wrong, and you could just be a mindless fanatic, but the more probable scenario is that you never actually reached said "endgame" of D2 and only know its heavily romanticized description as is told by someone who's being momentary passionate instead of objective and trying to "sell" you on the game.
It was "so fricking good" at launch.
The changes to the way the world itself functions and games as an industry have shifted it to
>That's pretty good.
It's a game where you can understand why people come back and occasionally replay it.
>It's a game where you can understand why people come back and occasionally replay it.
That I agree with. I do so too, from time to time.
>It was "so fricking good" at launch.
I would argue it was worse than it is now but there is absolutely a sizeable number of D2 players who would've been happier if the focus was more on rares and less on uniques and especially runewords.
I meant in terms of like, being a proto-modern MMO and a great social game within its first five years, not specifically day one. Around release it was a huge leap forward for online gaming.
Oh, its impact was monumental, which I agree with completely.
However, there are some fundamental design decisions present in it since the very start that are objectively not good and never were, i.e. it's not a case of the game "not aging well".
Those flaws were the reason the vast majority of people who tried playing it didn't reach D2's endgame back then, as well as won't be reaching its endgame today.
Hell is known as a huge difficulty spike but most people give up well before that.
I myself, playing D2 not too far from its initial release, had an absolute blast of playing through Normal as a Paladin, and had enough in me to also beat it as a Sorc. However, going through Nightmare was so exceedingly boring that I dropped the game afterward.
It took me a good decade to build enough curiosity (mostly fueled by mods like Median 2006 and Median XL later) to try it out again. All of that was spent slogging through NM, after which I dropped the game again.
And only two decades and a remaster release later, have I managed to stick to the game long enough to find any joy past Normal.
Now I've beaten 100% of the content the game has and I won't be returning to it for a few more years because ~1000 you-name-it runs later I ran out of all possible reasons and excuses that kept me playing it.
I might return, though. It is unique. It doesn't have any real alternatives.
You should play PD2. You may find a lot more to enjoy with that mod.
I appreciate the sentiment.
That being said, If I'll be playing modded D2 again, I'll be returning to Median XL. I have a couple thousand hours worth of nostalgia for that thing.
>ad hominem and gaslight ridden post
You sound like an absolute autistic slob, what a gay
If you're going to stack the odds in your favor this hard to try to get a piece of my butthole then let me put my lipstick on first homosexual
I'm not going to reply to your africano tier garbage so write it again like a man otherwise you're just a homosexual and a noob with shit taste
>if I first accuse him of resorting to fallacies and then respond with a post full of nothing but them, no one will ever be able to tell!
I accept your concession, my young friend.
Better luck with your next argument on the Internet!
>Y-YOU CAN'T STOOP TO MY LEVEL!! THAT'S WORSE THAN ME DOING IT TO BEGIN WITH! HA!
Holy shit what a basic and boring little homosexual, no wonder you have shit moronic taste LOL
>D2's endgame is also barely even there.
Because they just made a game, the players created the end game on their own, it was never intended to have an 'end game' the same way shitty modern games are, they never hired 65 psychologists and asked them how to best manipulate you into playing forever or created stupid fricking grinds and designs purposely to slow you down or annoy you
The rare cool drops were probably supposed to be an uncommon and shiny stuff that eventually dropped in new playthroughs and served to change how you played a little.
But also were shiny Pokémon and we know how it went... Nintendo even had to ease the odds and implement items for grinding it so their crazy fans wouldn't reset the games for 28 years until a shiny starter came.
For me, the endgame was tricking people into leaving town and dropping their gear so I could take “screenshots of them for .jsp” and then hostile them while my mercenary was out of town so I could one shot them and steal all of their gear.
Goddamn, that was a real thrill.
Oh cool all the jaded Bliz fans are here, I can get an honest opinion.
Are Warcraft 1 and 2 worth playing through?
They are if you like RTS games. The first one is a bit rough but worth a play if you grew up on old dos games.
I grew up on DOS, but mostly stuff like Carmen SanDiego and Lucasarts stuff so I dunno. I've had fun with Diablo 1 and Lost Vikings (console game but still), but I looked into WC1 and it looks real fricking iffy.
That's pretty based.
Yes, warcraft 2 is worth playing imo if you enjoy rts gameplay. Warcraft 1 is practically unplayable though controlling it is a fricking nightmare
Is there a community version of Warcraft 1 or 2 akin to Devilution/Project Diablo, or am I stuck fighting the 30 year old program if I want to play it as a window?
2 has ru which is insanely easy to find.
No idea for 1. Probably nothing.
I have no idea regarding W1 but W2 is a genuine sidegrade to W3 as a standalone RTS, so if you're interested in the genre you might want to try it out.
An old friend of mine has actually made a fairly decent map for W3 reimplementing most of the W2 gameplay. It's pretty cool.
Baal and Mephisto were kinda cool, why aren't they in Diablo 4? And why isn't Diablo in Diablo 4?
I'm not buying a diablo game without Diablo, who the frick cares about Lilith or the lesser evils.
Mephisto is in Diablo 4 and the upcoming expansion.
He's a fricking dog and described as *afraid*
They humiliated not only any male characters around Lilith, but the lord of hatred himself (being her father)
A fricking joke.
How am I supposed to fear the PRIME EVILS ?
The prime evils were such a cool concept and the fact that Diablo is the only one they did ANYTHING with after 2 is so fricking lame.
>And why isn't Diablo in Diablo 4?
Because 3 did a shitload with him and they wanted to do other stuff. They mostly chose bad stuff.
>try doing this 15K times
Isn't it what people have been doing for the past 20 years..?
and what people will be doing for the next 20 years
Never played a single Diablo game. I'm just waiting for Path of Exile 2.
If you like PoE you'll like D2 and maybe D1, if you want something to play while waiting for PoE2.
Truthfully, I never really like PoE 1 much. Felt sort of clunky, but I understood the appeal. I did, however, play a shitton of FATE when I was younger. Sadly, that's by only real experience with the genre and I fear I won't be able to get into the classic games since they look clunky and unappealing. Is there a remake of these?
The Diablo 2 remaster is new graphics running on top of the original game. Just play DevilutionX (Diablo 1 but you can turn on some QoL options).
Why the hell the fallen ones in Diablo 4 won't be frightening anymore, how could they missed such a simple iconic detail, devs literally proved they have never played any previous diablo games
3 > 1 > Immortal > 4 > 2
Immortal > your wallet
I spent $15 bucks for a single playthrough of it. 4 I wasted $100 for an inferior version of the same game.
Our kween will be disappointed if you hate D4
Dipablo
That guy's face will never not make me laugh
Reminder: she got poor little Pablo deported for that picture.
>R.I.P. Pablo
source?
How long until she fully transitions?
this just speaks for how good itemization was that the items alone were motivation enough for people to keep doing this
It's true, but expand that to the entire genre. Diablo 4 is a marginally better Diablo 2, but the moment to moment gameplay is still extremely brainless and the entire thrill of the game comes from the mechanical equivalent of slot machine.
A click-to-move game will never have good real time action combat.
>A click-to-move game will never have good real time action combat.
ok zoomer
Click to move is terrible. It makes sense if that's the only technology available at the time but otherwise it's shit.
I'm 29 and have probably played more games than you, also: you can't name a single example.
Soulslopper. Do the barrel roll.
Still looking for an ARPG that hits the spot like Diablo II did.
Always online with FOMO seasons is such a deal breaker for me.
Diablo 3 & 4 made good advancements in letting you experiment with different skills, while not overwhelming you with hundreds of different level up choices all at once.
Think Torchlight II got the closest (loved the secrets/puzzles that broke up the dungeon crawling), but the game balance/stat scaling seemed pretty bad?
Definitely gave off the feel of being an unfinished game.
Grim Dawn was cool but I don’t think I’d suggest it as something that’ll scratch the D2 itch. Just a neat ARPG.
I did try it but lost interest.
Had that same gruelling game pace as Titan Quest, where you're just hoping maybe there'll be a quest or event to break up the sluggish grind.
Imagine it picks up once you gear up, but it was offputting.
Maybe I'll give it another go some day.
I lost interest after playing through it once. Endgame gear requires multiple play throughs and there’s just no frickin’ way I was gonna do that.
That first play through was pretty enjoyable though.
Nu-blizz passive-aggressively admitting it’s not the same company that made Diablo 2.
>StarCraft Ghost and original Diablo 3 are complete, but we'll never get to play them because of "quality concerns" and beauracracy.
>Meanwhile Blizz shits out trash constantly.
You guys do know this is a random post on Reddit and not a blizzard post?
Games are about being able to deliver fun repetition - such as chess
If you need more """muh content""" you are a homosexual who does not appreciate nor want gameplay, you just want some mindless entertainment
This guy gets it. Repetition and optimization.
Gameplay.......loop.................
not a good luck d4
>people complain about d4, compare it to gold standard d2
>attack d2, saying it wasn't that good
oof
Huh almost like it's really not the gold standard then.
reddit parlance
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Diablo 4 did so poorly the FTC stopped the merger
>did poorly
sadly no. it is almost impossible for games like d4 to bomb. they are specifically designed to be whale bait on top of the 70$ price tag, they dont care what you think because paypiggies wills shell out thousands of dollars reguardless
>shit on old game to shill new game
business as usual
Considering there are no D4 threads ever I’m assuming the game is shit?
They're all in /vg/ and yes they complain there too.
iv been playing D2 for neary 25 years and i would still rather do endless baal runs forever then touch that utter slop that is called "diablo 4"
Because you're too poor to buy it
whale cope
remind us how much youve spent on D4 so far
>D4 shills are using "controversy" tactic to shill D4
>it works
You have a very loose definition of "works"
Well this thread has 160IPs.
And 2 customers.
D2 is the best game in its genre and it will never be surpassed
No need to even try it
Diablo 2 was acceptable at the time. It is vastly over rated, more so than classic WOW. If you are willing to accept shit graphics and gameplay at least demand better atmosphere and play Diablo 1.
D2R is pretty imho. The artstyle arguably elevates it above D4 visually.
D2R is the only thing blizzard has done right in 15 years, and that's because they barley did anything at all, it's just D2 but with newer visuals.
D2R wasn't done by Blizzard
That explains quite a bit then actually
>they barley did anything at all
Ironically it was done by VV
D2 also had torch hunts, cow level runs, and uber diablo hunts. What?
Also key runs to prep for torch hunts, Trav runs and Lower Kurast chest runs, Countess runs. Not to mention the farming locations CAN vary depending on your build just due to how resistances work, which gives value to Infinity runeword and Sunder Charms just for the sake of variance, etc.
D2 is gayass, D2R is gayass "ayo remember when u were young" D4 is lmao you are old piece of shit
no cap frfr
Boring jank looking ass