Kneel. D4 is the same garbage as D3 with a new visual style. Two fricking decades and this is still the undisputed ARPG King. Fricking Kneel.
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Diablo 2 Is Still The King
The reason it was king is because of the free item trading enhancing the community aspect
Literally pay to win micro transaction scum created before mega corpos did it. Diablo 2 community is the most cancerous community in all of gaming in any genre.
what is it you need to win at?
So all those Korean mmo games have 0 pay to win aspects even though you can directly buy power because “what is it do they need to win at”
Mega cope from D2 cancer.
shut up asiatic
You’ve got no response because you’re a cancerous moron that pays real money to cheat and consider that a fun feature.
Imagine not wanting maximum freedom & player choice. Who cares if some guy buys his items, you don't have to play with him.
Who cares that people pay 25,000 for star citizen ships? Who cares about thousands of dollars in dlc for games, who cares about forced bad drop rates to sell items for real money instead. Who cares about d4 skins and season passes?
Are you expecting that anon to agree with you?
im agreeing with him, who cares about that stuff? Just don’t play with the guy with the $25,000 ship.
You see no difference between corporations milking shekels from their customers and players selling stuff? Genuinely weird to me, but opinions differ I suppose.
I see no difference in someone buying an item to be more powerful and someone buying an item to be more powerful.
Alright, seems very strange to me.
Ya so strange. You just want to be the corpo. You don’t have a problem with pay to win as long as you get something.
>You see no difference between corporations milking shekels from their customers and players selling stuff?
Corporations create hundreds/thousands of jobs, so I'd say that's more valuable to society than some spastic selling pixels for their sole personal gain.
Very weird.
Are you some kind of commie or something?
No, quite the opposite that's why I like free trade as opposed to corporate control.
>I like the free market
>unless it gets too free markety, then it's bad
kek
>not being allowed to trade items is free-marketism
You're not too smart are you.
>whut, you mean a corporation is creating a product they want, and selling it how they want?
>this won't stand, we need government intervention!
Anon, the product being sold is the game. The items within the game are not entitled to be actual commodities.
But ESL-friend, a game is a simulation. It either has a free economy or not. A game designer inserting himself as monopoly megacorp breaks the free economy.
>a game is a simulation
Diablo 4 isn't designed to be a simulation of anything. That's like saying Tetris or Sudoku are simulations lmao.
Moreover, whether it's a sim or not has frick all to do with whether items within the game are actual commodities (they aren't).
Diablo 4 is a simulation unless you believe you are actually killing demons while playing. You don't seem that smart so I don't see the point in engaging your bad faith arguments.
>Diablo 4 is a simulation unless you believe you are actually killing demons while playing.
Do you honestly think "video game" and "simulation" share the same definition? What a childishly reductive worldview.
>noooooooooooo people can't just make games how they want to make them
>that's not how free markets work!!!!!
you might be clinically moronic.
I never said they can't make games that way. However people are free to dislike their design choices.
They don't share the same definition, since computer games are just one type of simulation.
>However people are free to dislike their design choices.
so you agree that this is how free markets function, then. glad we could clear that up.
We are talking about a simulated economy in a game. This isn't difficult to understand if you have a three-digit IQ. Either a game has a free market or not.
>A computer simulation (or "sim") is an attempt to model a real-life or hypothetical situation on a computer...
Emphasis on hypothetical.
>We are talking about a simulated economy in a game.
it's not a "simulated" economy if you're trading real money for commodities you utter moron.
diablo 2 item trading is part of the real world economy.
The real money economy runs parallel to the simulated economy in Diablo 2, it's not part of it. You are really stupid.
>it's not part of it.
of course it is, that was the entire premise of your argument. that players should be allowed to commodify pixels for cash instead of corporations selling you their product.
No it wasn't. I said I don't mind it. It's an unavoidable side effect of having free trade in a game. I personally never bought or sold anything for real money.
>since computer games are just one type of simulation.
Simulations are digital imitations of something that exists. Since demons aren't real, Diablo can't be simulating anything.
That cancer is why we cant have nice things anymore. You cheating item hack duping homosexuals always ruin everything you touch. We wouldnt need half the bullshit games come with if you could just NOT cheat. You b***h and whine about muh trading, but all youre asking for is a gateway to exploit people and the game. Frick off.
You need to go back.
You need to frick off.
This isn't your favorite subreddit, you can't ban people here.
You sneed to chuck in.
he's not the one crumbling under the slightest bit of philosophic pushback. lol
>"go back"
>philosophic pushing
roflcopter
Based. You need to stay right where you are and never leave this thread.
Does the remaster ever go on sale?
all the time
>blizzard
>sales
Try saying that 3 times fast
It just did I was very pensive about giving blizz money but I ended up shelling out the 13 bucks and getting it. D2 is awesome still the remake is actually good which was surprising.
Fricking b***h those gays ended it just now so D4 would get players didn't they? Saw how israeli and gaywoke d4 was but I wanted some Diablo gameplay, shit
I’m not sure when the sale ended but I’m sure it coincided with their latest goy slop release. I won’t touch d4.
I did too and it was the best purchase in a while, the remake is surprisingly fantastic
I'd say the remaster is like 85% on point, which was hard to do. I still feel like some things kinda suck, though. The item art looks way worse a lot of the time. Lightning spells look silly. A lot of enemies don't look faithful and look soulless/moronic. Half of the characters are still pozzed/downgraded. Also pvp is gutted.
Them adding new shit and buffing certain builds is pretty cool though.
>The item art looks way worse a lot of the time.
They should've done a 3D inventory like RE4. All that work modeling items that are pretty much never seen in 3D just so they can get squashed into wonky looking PNGs.
>item art looks worse
wrong
>lightning looks silly
true
>a lot of enemies look bad
wrong
>half the characters are pozzed
literally no one cares except /misc/turds
yes. I bought it on sale.
Won't now for a bit. Don't want D4ggers to be tempted to jump ship.
Yes, it always goes at 67%. I'll get it next time along with the expansions of D3. They come in a pack.
it sometimes does. i got it for 17 bucks instead of 40 which is almost nothing. worth it to me for the minor extra content and the many QoL stuff
Belzebub Diablo I is even better. The feeling can't be replicated.
What's the difference between this and Devilution X?
the multiplayer version is even better if you don't mind that the quests are borked
Seeing people complain about replayability of D4 really speaks to D2's staying power. I have played it 100's of times.
I dream about a timeline where the old Diablo 2 team make a new Diablo game again... unfortunately this will never happen but imagine if it actually happened
Closing Blizzard North was the canary in the coalmine for Blizzard's decline.
>no trade
>smart loot
>level scaling
>no public matchmaking
D4 will be dead in a month
wasn't it supposed to be an MMO?
What is smart loot?
Only gear for your class drops
So what do you do with shit you don't need as apparently there is no trading?
There is trading. No idea what these gays are talking about.
that's not entirely true. stuff for other classes does drop, but it's rare.
it means the game isnt shit
boomers dont like that
You can filter loot so useless low level common vendor trash dont even load on screen.
Anyone who thought Diablo 4 would be good has brain damage.
>D4 will be dead in a month
Yes, just like D3.
Blizzard will never escape D2. It will haunt them for the rest of existence. Every time they create a new Diablo "game", people will inevitably compare it to D2. And every time, everyone will agree that D2 is the superior game. They cannot recreate what once was; Nu-Blizzard will always be inferior to old Blizzard.
nobody good at games has ever agreed D2 to be superior lmao
its exclusively for shitter boomers who cant play real games
How is D2 not a real game it plays great on controller
Bro I've never even played any Diablo games and I know all those D2 players are bots. One of my friends texting me about D4 would run like 6 bots while he was at work.
RMT websites are still around so someone must be buying shit.
botting was what made D2 good past its normal lifespan, I had a lot of fun as a kid trying to get a bot set up, having no idea what I was doing. No one wants to admit it due to the stigma and because they know no developer will ever willingly make a game that encourages botting (they just make 'idle' games instead when they want to capture that market)
15k people still play regularly? I'm actually pretty shocked. That number was around 27k back in 2010 and the game was a decade old then (on USWest at least).
It's RMT bots.
Holy copium
How fricking new are you? It's common knowledge that most "people" in D2 servers are bots. D2 drop rates are shit, how the frick do you think so many people walk around with Enigmas, they farm them? Haha
last time I played D2 the bots did:
chaos sanctuary runs
baal runs
opening cow portal + buff with high level enchant on all difficulty levels, making you one-shot everything in normal (made raven claw bow the best leveling item)
so you barely had to play the game and there's of course bots collecting gear and runes so I guess after the bots leveled you up you could buy the gear lmao
That’s why playing any version of D2 besides the PD2 or PoD is a totally inferior experience. D2R definitely made good on its promises, but as far as I know they STILL haven’t fixed the chat channels or the length of load times between games. The load times are forgivable compared to the broken and useless chat channels; that shit is inexcusable.
they have
They have what? Fixed the channels??
I doubt it. I haven’t played it in about 6 months but back then it was still broken.
Make a d2 game on bnet without a password and you'll instantly get 4 bots joining to spam their store url
What kind of profound cope is this that d3 was a failure? It has sold more than elden ring and tears of the kingdom both
One of the most successful videogames of all time
selling more doesn't equate it to being a good game
example: d3 sold more than witcher 3 does that mean d3 is a better game? no
>example: d3 sold more than witcher 3 does that mean d3 is a better game? no
True, but D3 is a better game than the Witcher 3 despite that.
this homie thinks d3 is a better game than witcher 3, this is how moronic boomer gamers are.
Thanks for summarizing the post anon
It is, yeah. The Witcher 3 is good if you want to watch a movie, I guess. Diablo 3 is better if you want to play a video game.
Both are video games you dumb kid.
Are you referring to cinematics in Witcher 3? you realize D3 has cinematics as well, right?
No he's saying that Witcher 3 has a emphasis on storytelling which is apparently bad
There's a reason arcades don't have Final Fantasy games, anon. They're barely video games.
Arcades are the arbiters of what is and isn't a video game huh? would it surprise you to learn that by majority, arcade machines are not video games?
Pinball machines are a video game.
>Both are video games you dumb kid.
Of course, but Diablo 3 is much more video game oreinted. The majority of Witcher 3 is slogging through dialogue boxes.
>a video game is more of a video game if I like it more
Bravo anon
Ah, so you're just illiterate. Checks out.
Calling a video game "video game oriented" sure makes sense anon. Totally a quantifiable measurement and not just your nonsense opinion.
>Calling a video game "video game oriented" sure makes sense anon.
I already explained this to you in exceedingly clear terms. Try to keep up, little guy.
>exceedingly clear
Lol
No you didn't, you just claimed that dialogue boxes aren't "video game oriented" and refused to elaborate.
Gigachads never elaborate duh.
>you just claimed that dialogue boxes aren't "video game oriented"
Correct. It's just a digitized "choose your own adventure" book. Similar to a visual novel.
so.... youre saying RPGs arent vidya?
They're less video game oriented.
ever heard this phrase: "gameplay" because thats what you are talking about, D3 has more gameplay
no D3 has more gameplay loop
Yes, D3 is more "game" and Witcher 3 is more "video". You're finally getting it.
Plenty of RPGs are oriented around gameplay first, anon. Look at the Souls series for example. Or Diablo 3, which I already explained is very much a video game.
The Witcher 3's laughably bad combat is obviously not the focus of the game.
Diablo is just digitized tabletop for people who aren't willing to learn the real systems. Nice try underage.
No that's Baldur's Gate. Nice try bzoomber.
No, because Baldur's Gate actually teaches you those mechanics. Diablo just runs them in the background.
No one's gonna read a manual anymore.
You mean you can't read, and I already knew that given the framing of your complaints.
You mean you can't listen. I already knew that giving the framing of your mom's ass. fricking gottem
Ganker is moronic. These days Ganker says Dragon Age: Cisquisition was a good game. Pretty sure Ganker will be praising Andromeda in a couple of years
I enjoyed DA Inquisition
Witcher 3 is a dogshit game that the general gaming public was fleeced into thinking it's the greatest thing of all time.
There absolutely is trading. Why make shit up?
You cant trade the good items. Uniques are much more powerful than rares from what I've seen.
I wonder if anyone has found it already. Seems incredibly OP.
OMGGG IS THAT A SHAKO?? I RECOGNIZE THAT ITEM!! BLIZZ DID IT AGAIN POGGERS OMEGALUL
Diablo 4's story is pretty interesting so far. Ends on a cliffhanger.
>Two fricking decades and this is still the undisputed ARPG King
Titan Quest is better
I got filtered by Titan Quest, it took me an hour to kill the first major boss (I think it was a cyclops) then I got hardstuck a few bosses later. Why is it so hard? Diablo 2 on /players 8 is easier.
oh no, it's much worse than D3, at least you can play Diablo 3 offline.
Youre lying to yourself if you think Diablo beats Borderlands
Boring trash
D4 with all its faults is still way better
>run past all the mobs
>kill countess
>tp back and refill mana potions
>repeat
IT DOESNT GET BETTER THAN THIS
>run past all the mobs
you mean blink thru the entire level and yes as someone who beat d2 for the first time last year i really enjoyed the grind, FRICK DUAL TYPE IMMUNITIES THOU
>run
if you're running you might as well do cows instead
D2 fans keep getting cringier every year
>4tanic
>no trade
>boring gameplay
>shit itemization
>lost ark rip off
>no crafting
>predatory cash shop
>enemy level scaling
>shit quests
>no charms/jewels/runes
>bland uniques
>no real build variety
>D3 reskin
>Diablo not even in the game
>paladin class intentionally withheld until the $70 dlc drops a year later
D2sama, I kneel.
>no real build variety
>bland uniques
Why are you talking about D2?
>d2
>bland uniques
You're kidding, right?
>Poorgay thirdies still seething about D4
Love to see it, keep crying I lick your tears! ahahahahahhaha
dont forget to collect yours while laughing
you mean Diablo 1
Diablo 2 fricked up a lot of the things Diablo 1 did right and departed from the RPG genre a lot
also, Diablo 1 is the only one with a true horror atmosphere
Finally someone is making some sense in this thread. D1 is the king.
>resurrected
I don't understand all the backlash that Diablo IV is getting about the endgame. Like what the frick did people expect? Did they think that Blizzard would revolutionize the ARPG with this title?
>Did they think that Blizzard would revolutionize the ARPG with this title?
ever since Diablo 1 did pretty much that when it came out, diablofans have been expecting nothing less than continuing to do so with each new entry
They're poor and/or moronic and looking for a reason to cry about Blizzard
But when you're dealing with low IQ posters they say dumb shit like complaining about grinding in an arpg
>Did they think that Blizzard would revolutionize the ARPG with this title?
They've done it twice in the past.
That was 23 years ago, those people aren't at the company anymore.
That was Blizzard North.
Did they think that Blizzard would revolutionize the ARPG with this title?
Yes.
They literally made the Lost Arc world without the fun boss fights
I expected there to be rift level progression. 3 had it. Immortal had it. Gonna have to wait an expansion or two.
maybe an actual single player experience with regular multiplayer play as an option and not mmolite for instance wouldve been nice.
At least D3 could be played offline with a disc on consoles, but not with D4 lmao
That has nothing to do with the endgame lol
you need to do world bosses in endgame
Yes, but that doesn't actually answer the anon's question or fall as a real critique of the endgame.
I expect they would steal more content from other successfull clones likes GrimDawn, PoE, Last epoch etc.
Everything in D4 is plain and embarassing.
I think they fricked up legendaries and madd then boring like original D3. They should have just copied Chronicon’s crafting system.
>OG D3
>most “exciting” legendaries are weapons with attack speed, crit, crit dmg
>ROS comes out
>devs lean into legendaries having cool powers (and sets do cool stuff for x100,000,000dmg)
>but the focus was on legendaries was more than just number go up
>simple things like a leggo fire chest went from 30% increased fire dmg to now leaves a trail of fire behind you
Did D4 seriously go the moron route and not make late game about combining stupid effects to make op as frick builds? I get the feeling that its D3 again.
I never played D2. How faithful is the remaster?
extremely
one of the best remastering of a game ever
except for the uglyfication of the amazon and the assassin (at least the sorcerer is still pretty)
also idk why they made the paladin extra black to the point of looking like a Black person
>idk why they made the paladin extra black to the point of looking like a Black person
The original paladin was based on a real person, and given Blizzard's track record that person will probably be outed as a puppy rapist or something, so they changed the likeness completely.
The Amazon is a hot milf now, her tighs in the title screen still get me rock hard hnnnghh
I am downloading and will add it to my eternally growing backlog.
It's the original game that has had a few new content patches that are controversial--I like them, though. They improve the game.
Stone cold truth is Grim Dawn is better. By an insane gap. Right down to basic shit like being able to pan the camera. It's not even close.
So what is superior? D2: Resurrected or the D2 Grim Dawn mod?
The latter. Grim Dawn with the D2 mod can be played completely offline.
>Grim Dawn with the D2 mod
spoonfeed me niggy, GD bored me to fricking tears
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/mod-reign-of-terror/35347
So can D2. You think I'm going to give ActiBlizz money?
>So can D2
Need an online token every 30 days to play offline.
Weird way to spell "offline crack" but okay.
just installed grim dawn and downloaded grim internals, rainbow filters and item assistant
do i need dlcs?
how easy is it to respec if i frick up or want to try a new thing?
where do i find the builds? which one do you recommend?
been a long time d2 player, any major differences i should know?
>dlcs
the two loyalist packs are fan-requested ways of supporting the devs
crucible is a horde mode that provides an alternative method of leveling
ashes of malmouth and forgotten gods are traditional story+ content expansion packs
>how easy is it to respec if i frick up or want to try a new thing?
fairly easy
>where do i find the builds?
there's an xboxhueg build compendium on their website forums, that is easy to find, and you can navigate around to see what you want, what's good for new players, etc.
cheers fellers
>downloaded grim internals
use grim internals to speed up the game. Dont need any more thinkering with it.
>how easy is it to respec if i frick up or want to try a new thing?
very easy, it costs money and soul shards which can be farmed but expect your 1st character to be garbage.
>where do i find the builds?
grimtools site. builds usually focus on 1-2 spammable skills or autoattacks. Focus on 1 damage type with minuses to enemy resistance.
>been a long time d2 player, any major differences i should know?
theres no "immune" mobs but some bosses have them so high they can hardstuck you if you dont have the right build. Other than that its pretty much the same. If you feel stuck just farm items via totem runs.
>Grim Internals
Not needed anymore, most things it did were implemented in the game.
It’s the best remaster/remake I’ve ever seen (the only flaw being they changed the races of two characters but since the game is top-down and your characters wear helmets you can’t even tell in-game). It makes me sad to know Warcraft 3 could have gotten the same treatment and instead we got Reforged.
>It’s the best remaster/remake I’ve ever seen
It's not a bad remaster, but THE best?
I would say so relative to how much of an improvement it is while perfectly maintaining the visual style and atmosphere. I played the original for years and after playing Resurrected I tried it again and couldn’t stand how low the resolution and framerate was, so it’s the best one I’ve played since it made the original unplayable while not detracting from it.
>(the only flaw being they changed the races of two characters
Who?
The heroes are all the same, except they all look their older version.
Is D4 really that boring? Should I wait for a sale?
Yes, it's that boring. I'm being 100% honest when I say that I wouldn't even bother pirating it.
Definately. Wait for the first or second expac at least. There really is nothing to do at endgame. It doesn't even have rift pushing progression. Just a big skyrim map for you to uncover.
I only played about 2-3 hours of the beta back in March and have not had any desire to buy it since. I'd rather just play 2 or 3 yet again, despite already putting hundreds of hours into each. 4 seemed more like WoW 2 than a Diablo game.
sale when, i want on pc doesnt feel right on xbox imo
Ahh yes, the potion chugging simulator, GOAT.
Chugging potions is better than having to generate mana with useless skills
>laughs in corpse explosion miasma
As opposed to cooldowns? Yeah it is the GOAT.
I FRICKING HATE COOLDOWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Black person moron GAME DESIGN
D4 feels a lot like Shadowlands, instead of giving up free will we gotta play the game there way.
>upgrade items or punished
>farm renown or punished
>jewelcrafting or punished
>do side dungeons or punished
>farm crafting mats or punished
and I could go on, during the story those missions from like two yellows meanwhile dungeons drop 20 a clear? So if you don't stop to do dungeons here and there you easily fall behind in gear. Most with the upgrade/crafting system have the mindset to do it once your max level but Blizzard intends for the players to do it the whole way. This is amazing for hardcore, prob yields one of the best hardcore experiences but horrible for non hardcore.
Im not even going to consider Diablo 4 until they add better friendless multiplayer options. As in, like, any at all.
wait..you cant play with randoms?
No. You can ask people in town if you wanna join together manually, but otherwise there's no matchmaking, dungeon finder, party finger, room making etc. etc. of any sort.
No stupid, I mean PvE.
>Matchmaking, party finder
>In an ARPG
Gross.
Diablo 4 might be the only ARPG without public lobbies
In an arpg thats mostly only fun when played in a party, I'll take what I can get. Wandering around town talking to people being the only option is unacceptable when even Diablo 2 at least had rooms.
The game is more of an MMO, a lot of it is group content.
You mean like the PvP zone in the desert?
where's a good "changes between d2 and d2 remaster" list
Everything from patch 2.4 is when Blizzard started rolling out big changes. Read the patch notes for everything that came after too because those add stuff like terror zones and sunder charms along with more runewords, balance changes, etc.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo2/23788293/diablo-ii-resurrected-patch-2-4-ladder-now-live
bet they didnt fix the faces tho
There have been so many patches since release that it's hard to consolidate.
>a lot of fixes for dumb shit like mana burn, NHAM, etc.
>Druid can summon all animals at once,
>much bigger stash with shared tabs and separate withdraw-only tabs after a ladder season ends
>ladder rune words available outside ladder, new ladder rune words also become available after the season ends
>offline ubers
>Diablo clone spawns are region-wide instead of server IP
>auto gold pickup
>quick-move hotkeys between inventory/stash/cube
>Pindleskin portal never goes away
>killing Cow King no longer locks you out of cows
>gambling has persistent items that stay after you buy them and there's a refresh button
>Nightmare mercenaries hireable in Hell
>non-A2 mercenaries given skills to make them better
>Necromancer Revives no longer die if you get too far away
>Terror Zones make a random area in the game higher level for an hour, so Baal runs are mostly obsolete
>new Grand Charms that break immunity but drastically reduce your own resistance
Then a bunch of other odds and ends like skill buffs, damaging auras doing more damage to closer enemies, Holy Bolt damaging demons, etc.
clone spawns are region-wide instead of server IP
This change alone made annies so useless that they go for literal perfect gems if they aren't 20/20/10
It's still pretty funny to me who the only people that even bother defending IV are all obvious shills or just sunk cost morons.
How does D2R mog D4?
I bet if the game can be modded you can throw in the Rogue and add the newest skills in that game into D2R.
>no Paladin
>no Engima
>no level scaling
>no trading
>doesn't cost $70-$120
>you actually fight Diablo
>Tyrone is around
D2 will always be superior
>hits one button and chugs potions non-stop
>*SLURRP* yup, this is the peak of ARPG's.....
how many people still play OG diablo 2? As nice as resurrected looks, i miss the og graphics and they dont look right on resurrected legacy mode
>i miss the og graphics and they dont look right on resurrected legacy mode
They fixed that, legacy graphics now has a Glide option similar to Sven Wrapper.
oh cool, thanks. ill reinstall both soon and do a comparison on my old CRT monitor.
That's great.
I'd really enjoy if they hired the original designer to do more expansions with other lords and bring a custom character system. People would go crazy with it. D3 has this D1 event going in january, it would be great to play that as an expansion for D2.
if you install d2dx wrapper for og d2lod you can run it at high frame rate which looks great instead of the regular 25fps. it might only work offline though. d2r needs to implement a high frame rate option for legacy mode and enable it by default
>D2DX
Buggy and hasn't been updated since 2021. Isn't D2GL the best option now?
I played Diablo 2 when i was younger but never got into it really, upon replaying the entire thing with D2R i can safely say anyone who thinks its a good game is blinded by nostalgia because it is a shit fricking game
I want to know who thought it would be a good idea to create intentionally shitty filler skills and then force the player to use them regularly.
>Be me
>Pre-order and binge the amazing D4 early access
>Story so immersive, haters be coping
>Open world, singleplayer or co-op, choices galore
>Customize your character, no more clones
>Haters be like "Diablo ded," but they just jelly
>Level up, slay demons, git gud
>Graphics so epic, visuals to blow your mind
>Explore dungeons, secrets to find
>No more Auction House, better loot system
>Haters crying, we be grinding
>Legendary items, builds for days
>Diablo 4, the ultimate RPG craze
>Haters be coping, can't handle the hype
>Get on board, don't miss the tripe
>Diablo fans unite, we'll prove them wrong
>D4 revolution, going strong
>Get ready for epic battles, glory untold
>Haters gonna hate, but we'll never fold
>Diablo 4, the game of dreams
>Join the hype train, it's as good as it seems.
Diablo Immortal 1.1 but for fullprice, kek
Blizzcucks never learn
you gotta try harder, shill
not fooling anyone
>20 year old game
>still good
kek shut up moron your probably like 40 dude go home
Bros..how could we get such a good live-service title for only 70 dollars and no subscription? Monthly story updates, constant content drops, over 100 dungeons, strategic gameplay, this game is epic. Just finished installing it after it launched today and it's been a blast!
dead rogue
I'm getting mixed messages. Ganker says it's the same shit as D3 and everywhere else people complain that it's not similar enough to D3. Who do I believe?
The combat feels like D3 but while moving underwater if that makes sense. It feels different in a bad way but it still feels like the same exact combat engine.
It's basically like a halfway point between Diablo 2 and 3, and then slowed way down.
D2 Necro still the best of all necromancy in gaming.
The minion AI shows it's age, but other than that you're right.
>skeletons get stuck on first enemy and group up
>skeleton mages just run forward and get swarmed by the rest of the mobs
What games make you resurrect enemies like Diablo 2? Other than The Elder Scrolls
to noones surprise
but hail to the King baby
>dropped the ball with music
>dropped the ball with audio feedback
>dropped the ball with visuals
>dropped the ball with monsters feeling unique
you play me any sound from D2 and I will instantly recognize it
from D3 I only remember legendary drop, gem upgrade failure, these bloated gays exploding, big fallen dudes roaring, and maulers charging up their smash
no music whatsoever, there was nothing memorable
nothing
wow boring gameplay in that webm is this what """""diablo 2 fans""""" consider to be exciting and deep gameplay?
Didn't even look at the game after I heard it's boxprice+shop+battlepass. Frick off back to hell.
t. spent half his childhood in D2
D1 = GOAT atmosphere
D2 = GOAT game
D3 = WoW mobile
D4 = WoW mobile remastered
Imagine playing new games, IMAGINE PAYING FOR THEM TOO.
LMAO'ing@ure lifes
dont diss D2R you coldshitter
>Coldshitter
But every spec is viable everywhere now, thanks to the new charms!
Yeah, i dropped Diablo 3 after a dew hours because it reminded me too much of WOW
literally zero horror atmosphere, everything is too colorful
If you're still giving Bobby Kotick money at this point you deserve to get shit on
>x weeks into ladder
JUST GIVE ME THE GREEN HAT
did they ever fix the issue where you can't respec or remove socketed gems in D2 remaster?
>singleplayer
grim yawn is better
>multiplayer
who cares its dead for 20 years and pointless
Blizzard needs him back more than ever. If they make more Cosby rooms and correct modern Blizzard then Diablo 5 can be great. 4 is garbage.
Games can't be great again. Every now and then a game can poke at greatness, but it's all downhill from here.
The novelty of vidya is evaporating as it can no longer compete with our expectations, even if the suits don't kill the industry, we will.
We need to wipe our memory and return to babby, the millennial dream is our only salvation.
We need to go back.
I agree. Indies and some AA are still doing good. You are right about AAA. I just think AAA needs to spend less time on cutting edge graphics and shift that effort to game content and bug fixing / optimization. The problem is the majority of mainstream players refuse to play anything without the cutting edge graphics. They doomed us all.
AI will save it. It has been trained with data from the great games of the past and will revolutionize gaming with soul and complexity beyond anything we can imagine.
>AI will save it.
AI is being legislated.
It will be completely enveloped in corporate political correctness, and behind a massive paywall that keeps out indie devs.
The future of AI is being cucked by Big Tech(aka Big Nose), they're working overtime to turn it into a monopoly.
>No LAN
>Online only single player
Nope.jpg
>Diablo 2 Is Still The King
I like Divine Divinity and SACRED more than Diablo 2.
out of like 20 people who i saw playing D4 early-access already stopped playing.
i asked one, why:
>i dont feel like playing it, seems boring
dude went back to playing D2R and WoW.
Diablo 2 was never good.
Diablo 2 has less endgame than Diablo 4.
Weird.
and yet still more fun. weird.
if only more meant better, right?
>Great Reviews all round
>Everywhere but Ganker says it’s a good game
Every time.
Lurkers do yourselves a favour. Never ever listen to Ganker ever.
>Ganker doesn't bend over corporate dicksucking
Based.
>implying
Ahahahahaha
yea no
>have to keep guide open on the 2nd monitor just so you dont missplace talents or skillpoints. because you are fricked if you dont pick one of the cookie cutter builds
>limited reroll of talents
>moronic potion and inventory management
atmosphere is good, thats about it
>you are fricked if you dont
D2 isn't that hard. Kids 20 years ago could beat it with 0 points in stamina and one point in every skill.
Present.
>Wasted an enchantment on a weak one-handed sword
>Froze enemies, kid me was ecstatic
>Got floored by Duriel, died at least fifty times trying to beat him
>Used minions out the ass, gradually wore him down
>Eventually beat him, happy as frick
>Learn to use another weapon onward
Diablo 2 endgame is pvp. Resurrected fricked it as old d2 pvp was based on fixed bugs, server issues, frame accuracy and a very delicate equilibrium in builds.
Huh no wonder Diablo 2 is ass then. Might as well go play LoL
Diablo 2 was always ass, it’s just nostalgia Black folk.
It says a lot when the end game of D2 Remastered is just leaderboards.
>Playing any Diablo games not made by Blizzard North
What a gang of homosexual fools
Lmaoing at D2 homosexuals saying D4 has no endgame when d2 endgame was doing baal runs all day.
they're ARPG players, what do you expect?
d4 is a cash grab always online singles player game for morons.
>d4's endgame is barely competing with a 20 year old game
whoawow..
all day for what? at lvl 93 you can quit them forever and start gambling, crafting, killing ubers, farming and trading with people...
itemization in d4 is trash. and trading nonexistent. keep eating shit.
Why 93?
you make sure that when gambling+crafting caster amulets they stay at 90ilvl or more for the right affixes
Isn't it 95 for amulets?
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=30598890
didn't read it in a long time but IIRC when you gamble it, it goes between -5/-5 of your character lvl (at 93 it would be 88), which is fine because when crafting the amulet it takes the average between character lvl and item lvl, getting a 90 amulet.
check the webpage if you wanna be sure.
>trading nonexistent
That's false
excuse me for the hyperbole ma'am
practically nonexistent
It's a good thing that legendaries and uniques can't be farmed for the market
>It's a good thing that legendaries and uniques can't be farmed for the market
Sorry you have to play the game and not just buy all your items from bot farms
woah nice take moron.
instead of having an economy with some chinkfarmers selling to losers for real money, let's not create an economy at all, that'll be fun.
what's your benefit of havin no economy instead of a broken one when you can always decide to play alone?
if i had no trading i can assure you i wouldn't be playing d2 ladders, i'd stick to plugY SSF.
>what's the benefit of having no economy as opposed to a broken one
Well, there is an economy, it's just intentionally drawn back.
But the obvious answer is so that not everyone can rush endgame and immediately be geared, it also fits with the progression system and legendary crafting.
But is this a good thing, making the grind longer and more aggressive? Needing to do dailies to get legendary crafting mats like a Korean mmo, is that actually BETTER as a player experience than a trading economy?
I'm going to say no. I played enough Lost Ark to know how shit that grind feels. And that game didn't cost me $70
>so that not everyone can rush endgame and immediately be geared
i said what is YOUR benefit? i don't give 2 shits about subhuman people buying with real money. they are the same ones cheating in offline games, who cares.
but i'm not losing a big part of the game i love because of that. it might move the prices of the ingame economy, speed them up through the ladder, but sometimes it also works in your favor.
removing trading would take away A LOT of the excitement when you find an amazing item.
What's actually wrong with really having no endgame? Why is it a bad thing for a game to end? I'd rather have replay value than being able to grind forever and that's where Diablo 2 shines, that's why people still play it after 20 years. I doubt anyone will care for D3 or D4 in 20 years.
anon nobody cares about d3 already
>D4 in 20 years
You won't even be able to play it kek
>kill enemy
>bodies disintegrate into nothing
lmao I thought your video card was supposed to be powerful?
literally does not happen
at least check what the game is like first, poojeet
give already beaten it once. there's no need to keeps playing after you e beaten it on hell mode
Didn't play 2. 3 bored me to death. Won't play 4.
Now what, frickboy?
Go play 1.
do the fortnite dance since you weren't born more than 20years ago.
Why is it so hard to make a clone of D2.
itt poorgay mental gymnastic
sorry I'm not a homosexual like you
Many of the problems I've heard about D4 "can" be fixed with updates (not all, adding better music is unlikely). I played D2R around the time it came out, but I only finished the main story, I didn't get in to good builds or torment(?) difficulties. This thread is making me want to reinstall until D4 gets an expansion or two.
you have to be the first moron complaining about the music I have seen
I've seen several threads with other morons complaining about forgettable & non-existent music in D4.
>music you listened to for several days max as an adult compared to music you heard for hundreds of hours as a child is forgettable
So this is the power of Gankertards
I haven't heard any of it as I do not own D4, so link some good tracks from D4.
Wow you're complaining about music you haven't even listened to unfavorably. It's even more moronic than I thought. My mistake for overestimating you.
No, I am citing complaints I have observed. You also forgot to provide an example of good music in D4.
I don't have to. All I did was point out the absurdity of complaining about the music
ok
What a bootlicking israelite holy frick
The levels of deflection here are legitimately israeli
diablo 1 was better.
diablo 2 is just mindless grind for numbers go up and embarrassingly bad atmosphere.
>diablo 2 is just mindless grind for numbers go up and embarrassingly bad atmosphere.
*arpgs are just mindless grind for numbers go up and embarrassingly bad atmosphere.
>embarrassingly bad atmosphere
Black person
need more than music, m8
the game is a boring slog.
t. finished the game and hit 50 yesterday
I won't disagree. Some deliberately-shitte face models aside, D2R was a straight-remake in every way and isn't bogged down to death by MTX like D4 is. Only good thing Blizzard's done in a very long time.
It's similar to the auction house complaints when D3 was released. Though I highly doubt they will ever remove this shop.
ARPG is really boring tbh, it's just a fricking clickfest.
I think the funniest is Grim Dawn, and pets class, it's good to have pets killing shit for you.
Dark Souls smoke these games as ARPG.
I don't entirely disagree with you, but just because they're not your preferred genre, doesn't mean others don't enjoy them. Try to understand that other people have opinions too, which are as valid as yours.
That sounds like some Steam lib shit bro.
Shove it up yo ass.
Resurrected or original with PlugY?
>zoomers cannot comprehend a game that can be one and done without the need to play it every day, every hour, for years on end
What is the jump button in Diablo 4?
On a 17 second cd
More like game developers can't compete with Indie game devs so they are forced to turn every AAA game into a high fidelity 4k live service game with a battlepass and cash shop on release
Imagine blizzards best game, D2R.
Not even made by nublizzard. (all quit 20 years ago)
Reskin not even made by blizzard. (Vicarious Visions)
What a joke of a company.
Elden Ring is the king of ARPGs.
Ill be interested to see what Diablo 4's runeword/crafting system looks like. I don't know if thats the season 1 stuff but they have talked about it being a thing they are bringing back
Question from someone who never played the genre,
What I play? Starting with D2 will sour everything after?
D4 is a sequel to D2 so no, not at all. The hate for D4 is also completely overstated, it's much better than D3 and a worthy successor to D2.
if you like d2 you will not like d4, if you like d3 you will definitely like d4
>if you like d3 you will definitely like d4
wrong.
it's literally d3.5 i dont understand how you wouldn't
Yeah and Diablo 2 is actually just Diablo 1.5.
d1 is an entirely different fricking game compared to d2, who are you trying to fool.
So is d3. You haven't played it in any meaningful capacity.
yes d2 is an entirely different game compared to d3, d3 and d4 aren't much different from each other. im sorry your brain can't comprehend this. i don't even know why im arguing about this game with people on a basket weaving form, it's just gonna be forgotten about and in a year or 2 while people only go back to play seasons like they did with d3.
Yes, you're the master baiter man. I'm down for the endless reply chain if you are though.
and?
remove hud from both games, record them and put them side by side
ask a random person which is which
You'd have to be frickin blind. Aesthetically 4 is a slightly less colourful d2r with more details. 3 is a pastelly semi wow mush.
3 looks better doesn't it.
not really
i look at 4 and see 3
>i look at 4 and see 3
so you're moronic then?
which part of "gameplay" do you not understand you moronic gorilla Black person
>conversation is about aesthetics
>"what part of gameplay do you not understand"
yep, it's a moron
have a nice day you backpedaling moron
let's see the endgame
you know, movement
it's surprising how little of that has been posted
almost like it's identical to 3
When 3 released I don't remember the models looking as shitty as they do. But the whole artstyle kinda grew on me. It's not fitting for a Diablo 2 follow-up but it's very arcadey and easy on the eyes.
Goes to show how creatively bankrupt they are. Have to steal the sorceress underboob.
and amazon's jaw
You're right, anon. They're identical.
I'd start with D2 but that's coming from somebody who has played it for 23 years
D2 itemization is so easy, I just give a chink $5 and he gives me two sojs and all the runewords I want
Post armor
Every single Diablo thread on Ganker is atrociously bad.
90% of the Gankerermin here haven't even touched D4, know quite literally nothing about it beyond regurgitating memes they've read on here, and played D2 once like 20 years ago.
Imagine coming to this shithole for any opinion on vidya. The vast, VAST majority of you are unironically terrible at video games.
What's the incentive to touch it? It's a level-scaled arpg with a major focus on storytelling.
Storytelling is absolute worst thing blizzard does. You can, at random, pull a student from a college creative writing course and they'll fart out something more compelling.
That's because Diablo 4 is atrociously bad.
I'm a huge diablo fan. Played 1 on PC and PS1 co-op with my brother all the time. Got access to D2 early and put literal thousands and thousands of hours into the game during high school.
Made thousands of dollars of Diablo 3 when it first launched, and ended up putting thousands of hours into that game once RoS came out.
But I've barely gotten through the story in D4 and I have no desire to go back to it. The level scaling completely fricks the power fantasy of ARPGs, the open world nature of the game makes everything feel the same with a massive lack of distinction between acts and areas. The side quests as a result are a joke. The 120+ dungeons thing is just 120 boring and bland dungeons with one of 4 different objectives that all play functionally identical to one another. Skill system is the least customizable it's ever been. Itemization is absolutely fricked where everything is based off stacking certain damage modifiers that are identical across all classes. Every class is just use builder until you have resource to use finisher, while spamming your other 4 buttons whenever they're off cooldown. There's no actual variation.
It's a shell of a game and they need to go back to square fricking 1 to fix the game. Ditch the level scaling, ditch the open world, ditch the incredibly shitty skill system. It's a sad day when I prefer the skill system in D3 over the skill system in D4.
I heard there is no auction house on D4.
I actually liked it on D3
D2R is great. Enjoyed it a lot.
titan quest blows D2 out of the water, it was obsolete and shit tier as soon as TQ came out
Could say the same about Grim Dawn making Titan Quest obsolete
well yeah, but GD is a TQ mod, so thats fine
Is the story still cartoonishly stupid
Still stupid but cartoonishly grimdark
Diablo 3's story was cartoonishly stupid, Diablo 4's story is woke
Best economy of any game
Best dueling of any ARPG
imagine people caring about pointless PvE grinding endgames where you're just doing the exact same attack 500 times against brainless monsters. Who the frick cares? PvE exists for one or two playthroughs and then the true game is the metagame, minmaxing your build, trading for items, performing services, dueling, tournaments, events, etc
and the replacement for this is supposed to be... rifts? LMAO
get fricked poegays
Might as well be playing dota you homosexual.
dota, you mean a game where even professional players average 30 APM? lmao
diablo 2 dueling is fast paced and requires actual skill. Not "sit in a lane last hitting creeps for 20 minutes and then press a single button to activate a global in a teamfight"
Such skill...........like who grinded for 100000 hours more.
did you accidentally show up to melee vs melee duels?
whoever grinded 100000 hours more might have 10% higher HP in duels where you die in 3 hits and he still dies in 3 hits lmao
That's a Dragon Ball episode
>best economy
It's literally just bots lol
KA-KA-KA-KA-KACHIDAZE
Hi, cooley.
I've got your ear
>Meshif randomly shows up in the game
>oops he died to a quill rat
frick off lol
I feel like the Diablo team must be completely segregated from the rest of Blizzard.
The same thing is said when heroes of the storm pops up with it's thicc player models.
It's probably true too, that's why they killed of HoTS. Now the whole place is being ran by Vicarious Visions and breasts are back on the menu, WoW and Overwatch are being used as containment IPs for the holdovers of 2010's Blizz.
Yeah boobs are important. The succubus all got covered up still. They were topless in the first 3 diablos.
Thicc is ok by feminist standards because it’s obtainable.
D1 Hellfire with HD mod is better. But i won't derail.
Why not DevilutionX?
Should I get D2R on PS5 or Steam Deck?
D2R for PC for long term support, but wait for a sales.
I fricking hate level scaling.
What's the point of leveling up or getting better equipment if the enemy is always be on par with you?
Do they know the main attraction point of diablo is to get some imba equipments and start stomping enemies?
It doesn't matter, normies like that shit and they're the target audience
Making a male sorcerer was a huge mistake...
That's a male? AHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, that's a female. The problem is that the male sorcerer basically wears the same shit.
Here's the same outfit on a male sorcerer.
That's a male? AHAHAHAHAHAHA
I tried playing Diablo 2 recently and holy shit did it not age well. Atmosphere and story were still all there, but the actual gameplay mechanics feel fricking awful.
Chug the potions anon. Now pick up the potions, and sort the potions onto your belt. Now chug more potions.
Running making the player more vulnerable and stamina existing make it a pain to play.
FATE > Diablo 3 > Torchlight 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>m your favorite overrated mature grimdark arpgs
>Torchlight 1
Torchlight 2 makes it obsolete.
Globetrotting is SHIT
Of course, Grim Dawn is so far above the top that it can't be seen.
What about Titan Quest?
What about it? Inferior game engine and different devs.
TQ is gust GD with less content. It's a fine game, I think you can still get it free on steam
Sorry, it seems you meant to post an image for Diablo 1
its ok. we all make mistakes
So... what's the point of the game now?
If monsters are just gonna level scale with me, then me being lvl 10 with lvl 10 equipments will have the same experience as being lvl 50 with lvl 50 equipments.
Were you grinding low level dungeons in other ARPGs and just instantly popping lvl 1 mobs for no reward?
the option to do this once in a while just for shits and giggles is core to the rpg experience, *especially* for rpgs that are literally just about making numbers bigger
there is none, now open wide for the diabslop
you will never know the feeling of getting brickwalled
>then me being lvl 10 with lvl 10 equipments will have the same experience as being lvl 50 with lvl 50 equipments.
lvl 10 characters have 1 ability to use lol
Of course it is the same crap. The studio that made Diablo 2, Blizzard North, was gone a LONG time ago. Now you got to deal with some fat asian guy selling you a cheap Chinese phone game.
>praising a game that can be played by parapalegics or old people who can only use their mouths
Jesus. Is Ganker filled with 50 year olds or something? What the frick am I reading.
What do fans of the genre want from an ARPG? What's your dream ARPG play like, Ganker?
People shit on D3 but the minute to minute gameplay is actually pretty good. The feel of that game is what I'd want.
However substituted with every single element of D2 instead. I hate the skill trees, itemization, the frick huge numbers, etc of D3.
So my dream ARPG would probably just be D2 that plays like D3.
Get the frick out with that moronrected shit, THIS is the King
Holy shit, I don't remember it coming with free internet.
that box art feels
PlugY or PD2?
OKAY I HAVE D2 DOWNLOADED
I HAVE NEVER PLAYED D2 BEFORE BUT I HAVE PLAYED MANY OTHER ARPGS
WHAT ARE SOME FUN -- EMPHASIS ON FUN -- BUILDS?
Besides Necro with tons of minions since I hear D2 Necro is one of the best.
what is your definition of fun
Frozen orb + hydra sorc is strong and fun
Frenzy pally is fricking funny
everything but barbarian.
skill issue
exactly, don't play barb until you have a better understanding of the game.
barb is great for a first playthrough, it's only hell when it falters because everything and its mother is phys immune
How the frick do you beat the game as barb with phys immune enemies
A3 or even A1 merc. Usually only elites are physical immune so you can single them out.
Or put points into Berserk.
berserk
lawbringer
leap attack
bosses aren't immune to phys or CB
well except for ancients i guess, on hell one of them is basically guaranteed to roll phys immune and you'll spend 30 minutes slapping each other
>you'll spend 30 minutes slapping each other
kino
They just don't make games like this anymore...
Lightning Javelin Amazon is the most satisfying build ever and the most OP
>have to beg like a b***h for someone to carry you through a3 hell
Just run past everything
confirmed zoomer who just copied a build off icyveins
Wrong, I copied it off Wowhead
Taking more options. Stop arguing about dumb shit. 🙂
What is even supposed to be fun about these games? I've played Diablo 2, Diablo 3 and PoE and couldn't find anything enjoyable in any of them.
i have lvl 15. We will see at the endgame. Honestly i just wanted D3 with new graphics and builds.
Anybody that says/thinks D2 is a bad game doesn't know shit about video games and their opinion is automatically disregarded
It's mechanically an extremely shit game. Cool story and art design, though.
D2 was a good game 20 years ago, but I played it as much as I ever want to already. And new ARPGS have taken that formula and improved upon it.
I've never played Diablo before, is this game worth it?
It feels incredibly dated, but it's always worth a playthrough imo.
I like Diablo 3. console version.
So do I, it was a fun way to play it again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PC_games
so you're one of those who thinks that a game is dead if it's not top on twitch and that viewers are related to quality
They are actually, twitch viewers are 1:1 with a game's quality and panache
diablo 2 has been active game since it launched, up until today in 2023, it's so active that they remastered it.
so anybody that thinks d2 is a shit game is a moron.
Diablo 3 is the best Diablo game
They hated him because he told the truth.
>ancient vidya with barely functional gamedesign is actually better than cashgrab gacha shit for cellphones
True. Pirated it and enjoyed for all the money.
Blizzgays aren't getting a dime from me, no matter what.
I don't get the argument about outdated mechanics. Do zoomoids think that tabletops are outdated too?
Monopoly is better than D&D get over it nerd.
Don't even play D&D. But certain wargames for example can be more fun than any video game imho.
Not all tabletops have storytelling. Most don't.
>Not all tabletops have storytelling. Most don't.
then they're turn based strategy games, which are also considerably different than most video games.
But not significantly different from turn based rpgs lol.
yeah, and turn based rpgs suck dogshit. glad we could clear that up.
>it's bad because I hate it
Glad you've cleared up that you have no actual point to share anon
Tabletop games aren't video games. They're a shared experience of roleplaying through a story, sort of like an even more social and immersive version of storytelling. They're completely separate niches.
which tabletop game has real time action combat?
chutes and ladders
None that I know but it's about the underlying mechanic.
when people talk about outdated mechanics they're referring to the synergy between the backend and how combat functions. you can't look at each part in a vacuum, dumbass.
>when people talk about outdated mechanics they're talking about one specific scenario I agree with
Just leave underage
>if i change what he wrote, i'll finally be able to dispute it!
kek
>change what he wrote
Lol, nothing was changed, you just can't figure out basic extrapolation
no, you blatantly strawmanned my position. whatever helps you cope, i guess.
>you're strawmanning by using my exact words in a different context to highlight their moronation
Holy shit lol
>you're strawmanning by using my exact words
>my exact words
ahahahaha
So what would you consider progress in combat mechanics. D4 & D2 don't seem that different to me except for the CDs.
anyone who claims that D4 is like D3 is a complete imbecile
D4 is a good game with tons of content and easily the best thing Blizzard has done since Warcraft 3.
It's like a 6/10 imo. Great graphics and atmosphere, finally a return to the dark genre. However, the gameplay loop is just running around killing mobs in blobs and collecting garbage. The spec options are casual as can be and the 5 ability shit along with attack and dodge is perfect for console casualness. Not a bad thing per say but really terribly boring in the long run.
>the gameplay loop is just running around killing mobs in blobs and collecting garbage
so it's like diablo 2?
Yeah kinda like yo momma.
D4 is amazing
Ganker lost. PoE incels lost. D2 autismos lost. Baldo Wilson lost. Blizzard won. Joe Shely won. Varga lost.
>D4 is the same garbage as D3
Great news, I enjoyed D3 more than D2.
Just wish Monk was playable.
>Black person Paladin
Shitty pozzed game, Diablo was never good.
mrllamasc gave d4 a 6.11/10
his opinion is the pretty much only one that should matter
literally who? i don't follow ecelebs or care about their opinions.
>his opinion is the pretty much only one that should matter
>opinion of someone who is paid to play D2 is the one that should matter
That's like saying used car salesman is the only opinion that should matter when it comes to which used car to buy.
any diehard d2 fan must share similar opinions, i agree with almost everything.
first 2 days were fun but i'm back to the GOAT.
>first 2 days were fun but
I've played countless games in my 30+ years of being a gamer, and I can't remember any games where I fell off as quick and as hard as I did with D4. I didn't even make it through the head-start weekend before basically giving up on the game.
ADHD is rough. I've found more success with dexedrine than adderall, personally.
Runewords ruined D2
You're not wrong. They completely fricked the viability of all other items in the game.
The pre-LoD patch ruined the game
>added a bunch of bullshit cooldowns
>increased XP gains globally so getting to 99 was no longer an accomplishment
>added the runeword system
>invalidated basically the entire spectrum of drops beyond uniques and socketed items
Frick that LoD pre-patch. And frick LoD.
For me it's damage immunities at nightmare and hell difficulties
So runewords were a LoD upgrade? I always thought that it didn't really match the game style, since now you had the gems and the runes competing for the slots.
they also added israeliteels in LoD too, also competing for slots lol
So before LoD there weren't any israeliteels and stones?
>OMGGG IS THAT A SHAKO??
https://d2stock.com/product-category/helmets/unique/harlequin-crest-shako
Grim Dawn, Path of Exile, and Titan Quest are all better than D2.
D1, D3, and D4 > D2
I dunno about D4 because I'm boycotting Blizz, but D3 is literal garbage and I don't see how D1 is better than D2 either. D2 is not a bad game, it's just been surpassed a couple of times.
Copety cope.
Oh, okay, now compare user scores.
Not that this shit even means anything though, just look at which game actually survived and which faded into irrelevancy a year after it launched.
D3 is had gotten 28 seasons and is still getting another one I. The future 11 years later and is one of the highest selling games of all times with giant hours per player.
28 seasons nobody played that didn't add anything except for maybe a set here and there. Diablo 3 sold a lot of copies, but people simply didn't play the game anymore at some point.
You have nothing to back up your claims except your feelings.
Ok Ben Shapiro
Maybe you'll share some numbers with us then
>nobody played
Sure, Blizzard won't even spend resources on games that people apparently played, like Overwatch or SC2, but somehow made 28 seasons for a game that nobody played, because that's how Activision Blizzard works, and also put resources into releasing it on Nintendo Switch (together with online play, seasons, etc.), because nobody plays it
These seasons added basically nothing to the game, they were just fresh starts, some of them with a very very minor gimmick and most of them didn't even add any items at all.
User scores mean nothing on a website that allows blatant disingenuous review bombing. You can only trust critics who's job it is to inform.
User scores are even more worthless than critic scores. Cultists compulsively upvote-brigade the games they're obsessed with.
>Cultists compulsively upvote-brigade the games they're obsessed with
So what you're saying is that Diablo 3 has nobody who is obsessed with it? Doesn't sound like that great of a game.
To read a garbage post like this on fricking Ganker of all places. What the frick happened?
>What the frick happened?
Chanology, Reddit, The Fappening, Gamergate, phoneposting, the election: take your pick.
>So what you're saying is that Diablo 3 has nobody who is obsessed with it? Doesn't sound like that great of a game.
No, I'm saying that Diablo 3 doesn't have cultists.
Us 3 fans stick to the shadows..........we're camelions with 160 IQ. You'll never see see us coming until itš too late.....
i don't know what's happening lately but the site is going to shit.
maybe some celebrity homosexual on twitch named the place again.
time to log off for a while.
It's my fault, all the posts you don't like are me. No I will not go back.
Are you fricking kidding? Since 2016 it’s been a rightwing Facebook asylum. You’re just not in a constant echo chamber anymore sweetheart.
>and which faded into irrelevancy
PoE is literally only "relevant" for the first week during new league launches, if you want actual stats that would mean PoE is only relevant for about 3.5 weeks during the entire year (since every year has either 3 or 4 league launches), if we divide that by average number of weeks in a year (let's say 52), we get a number that shows that PoE is relevant slightly less than 7% of it's uptime in a single year, and for the rest of it's 93% running time it not only doesn't compete with actually popular games, it can't even get as many players as games like DayZ (yes DayZ in fricking 2023), Cities Skylines (a single player city builder from 2015) or Euro Truck Simulator 2.
PoE is objectively irrelevant.
now share the user score on pc you fricking moron
Left a 1/10 there too? We did it reddit!
games with braindead cults surrounding them spam upvotes on metacritic, no matter how boring and dogshit it is.
D1 looks better than the barf that is 2. Plus the skill books are cooler than the point system homosexualry. Plus killing monsters unlocks info and shit about them which is neat. The world has more cool shit in it like books.
D3 mogs d2 in every conceivable way. D2 story is guy stuck dildo in his head, now he’s Diablo, go east and kill him and his brothers
D3 story is an angel rebelling against heaven to help save mankind against the forces of hell.
D3 combat takes a big fat dump all over d2. You can respec whenever you want instead of a miss click costing you 100 hours. You can obtain items instead of playing for 10,000+ hours and never getting certain items like in d2.
The list could go on forever.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/diablo/145-million-people-have-played-diablo-3-average-193-hours
>2013
In 2022 it had 65+ million players.
The niggoids here have the audacity to say no one plays it and it died.
Diablo 4 is pozzed tarnnyware.
Don't @ me I know you are a Black person that loves goyslop.
>paying entry fee for a game with mtx, seasonal mtx, shop, cosmetics
>story Lilith literally fricking who abortion kills another Icon in diablo
Whoever wrote this desreve to be to executed on stage. Simply fricking kill him. Waste of fricking air.
Diablo 3 wins last post.