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Ff14 sister, our response?
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I'll tell you when my blonde haired blue eyed highlander max height human tank is done getting succed by 4'10 au ra wives in pirate town.
Your post is really gay when you realize everyone involved are men
no one cares
>I'll tell you when my blonde haired blue eyed highlander max height human tank is done getting succed by 4'10 au ra wives in pirate town.
Literally me, except i"m the 4'10 Au Ra Wife(tank)
>Not going for full min height 4'9"
Heavensward had jobs with flexibility but then Stormblood and Shadowbringers took it all out of the game because people were bad.
ff14 class design is the most boring, souless shit i've ever seen. Every single job plays the same and its skills and even the bosses of the game are designed around 2-min burst windows.
Heavensward had a fricking lot of jank is what it had
Rotations are fine in the context of mechanical difficulty in the game coming from keeping up that rotation while dealing with a boss's bullshit
There was nothing fun or intuitive about the cross class system. All it did was exclude people who thought you could just mix and match stuff for fun but in reality, if you didn't have the right cross class abilities you were not allowed to play content
>attempt to do the hardest content in the game
>bro wtf i need to have the right skills, this is bullshit
Hard content should be about execution. If you walk into the instance because the game allows you to with the ilvl requirement, you should be able to do the content. Not have an arbritrary checklist simulator be completed before being allowed to hit the boss like those stupid accuracy requirements before too
>play ARPG
>wtf why does all of this RPG shit matter
I fricking hate that a mindless hacknslash game has more awareness about gameplay than a multi-million mmo hit lead by a guy claiming he's playing games and knows what he's doing, went into this same exact bucket of paint years ago and is either: Digging themselves deeper with tanks and dps, or digging themselves deeper by making dealing damage a one button affair for healers (and then not have enough damage to heal so that one button is 70% of all button presses).
Im still so mad over Shadowbringers Scholar.
the path of exile devs are barry
started good bad players ruin it one of the reasons i stop after 6.2 every class felt the same with slight differences i miss dot upkeep and playing the piano as mch to max out dmg, still outdps bis players cause they were shit with the same class as them, I just never bother doing savage.
I can't wait to use exactly one skill.
That's not going to happen
despite no cooldowns, you're limiting yourself MASSIVELY by not using combinations of skills that deal tenfold the damage you would do by just spamming one skill
Or maybe you're an idiot that wants to waste 10 hours of his time on a single zone that would take you 30 minutes if you played with even a modicum of optimization.
It happened with PoE1. It will happen again. Maybe they will introduce some gimmicks like sundering to artificially make you use more skills, but you will be pressing one attack over and over.
How to tell someone has never played PoE.
NTA.
So the idea is to weave different skills into the combat? You theoretically could make a build off of when you use what skills, correct? As in, for example, you can use void sphere to collect all the monsters, and then use a fire cone attack to damage them all at once? Something like that? That would be really cool.
Silver bullet builds require so much damned grinding that even building towards it you'd have to have a build that uses 4-5 skills to reliably grind.
I can tell you haven't played the game passed act 5 from this comment.
I've played 36/40 from Legion to Scourge using 4 builds, mainly Bane, Contagion, Summons, and Slam. These were my challenge builds. I played Ice Shot and few other builds too. All one button.
Hit Diablo players with "your game only requires you to use one skill" and they'll really reply with "oh man, you WISH you had a one skill build."
Players will just gravitate towards an ability that can be spammed in all situations, thus keeping the one button spam
you can tell PoE devs have never played a game with rotations before. if there's no "downside" to using the best skill, players will just end up spamming it and nothing else.
Do you really have time to post here? Those D4 dailies aren't gonna do themselves
i stopped playing d4 because it's boring. just because poe devs are incompetent doesn't mean d4 devs are competent lol
Did you intentionally undermine your own shitpost or was that on purpose
There are no dailies in D4
yet™
that's not true they just changed them into timered quests
Every 2 hours there is a 1 hour helltide quest every 6 hours there is a world boss quest that lasts for 15 minutes
I'm loving this music right now what game is this music from?
>if there's no "downside" to using the best skill, players will just end up spamming it and nothing else.
And there is nothing wrong with it
As long as other skill exists to save your ass/be second in line "best skill" once you get into situation X(melee/high range for example) to get gameplay variety
Just executing same rotation is gay and takes more effort for same effect as using same one button
So what's the problem? You would literally rather wait 20 seconds to spam a skill instead of being able to spam it without cooldown?
Do you also watch videos with ads and if you don't get and ad you keep refreshing the page until you do?
What's wrong with a single skill as the main? I consider frozen orb sorc from D2 to have top tier arpg gameplay, you have one "best" skill plus 3-4 circumstantially useful ones.
Well designed rotations are more satisfying to execute than 1 button spam.
No they aren't.
Frozen orb sorc does have a rotation. It's spam static until damage caps then frozen orb.
as opposed to the D4 way which is spamming your builder 10-30 times so you get use one or two spenders and then go back to building
just let people spam what they want
yes, d4 rotations are also bad. i was talking about poe.
i have played d4 for more than 30 minutes, and as bone spear necro i no longer cast my builder
its just spear, mist and autocasting tendrils and corpse explosion
this is far better than spamming 1 button in poe (poe2 will also be spamming 1 button, since all you do is 6 link your main spell)
It’s kind of a class by class basis really. Necro and Druid can get away with never using a builder with some decent gear, not so much for Barb or Rogue.
This really wouldn’t be a problem if Barb had a builder that didn’t feel awful to use tbh.
Can anyone explain what exactly is the good about player having to use multiple damage-dealing skills for moment to moment gameplay? Do people who repeat that shit ever try that themselves?
Go play poe right now and make a build that maps with multiple main damage skills. Then count how many hours of mapping you can handle without an overwhelming desire to either make a build with one damage skill or delete the game.
Name a good game with rotations
Marvel Heroes
Black Desert Online
>Marvel Heroes
Never even got past stage one of their BUE before it died
the downside is that the best skill won't be the best skill in every situation
There's no such thing as an universal "best skill" if you're not a moronic game designer.
Rotations are usually pretty shallow, I was XIV DRG and had the same rotation I did mindlessly over and over.
I am not against rotations as a concept, since technically there's always going to be a best combo (in say an action game) for most things or everything, but I do think long, bloated rotations are just arbitrary and the illusion of depth. I'd rather just have 2 or 3 skills, or 2 or 3 combos I'd use in various circumstances.
PoE and MMOs have the same shitty problem of moves with bad balance. I literally use more moves in Dark Souls.
>if there's no "downside" to using the best skill,
that's why you create downsides via skill mechanics and situational usefulness and opportunities of usage to make for an interesting game
e.g. your best DPS and burst attack is a charge up hit that leaves you very vulnerable. It doesn't have a cooldown but trying to use it will get you killed so you have to use other skills or strategies to create opportunities to use it.
Congrats you have just taken a glimpse into what a video game is. What youv'e been playing is numbers go up simulators.
BASED
this make PoEdrones SEETHE
I have nothing to add to any of this discussion, but judging by variables I'm unwilling to discuss, you are absolutely butt devastated, and it's over, while OP is based and epic win.
There is nothing wrong with ether of those. Ideally your game has a way to do both (and some other ones like a priority system) so players can choose what they prefer.
Saying rotations are bad is quite ignorant.
Animation time.
Mana cost.
Element/type property.
AoE shape and range.
Debuff property.
Conditional bonus (full HP, being stationary for X seconds, etc etc).
You even see the clown playing the demo on PoE stream embarassing himself because all he could do was unga bunga spam Ice Meteor and getting cucked every time because the animation was too long. Not saying it's easy, but there are methods.
you can tell this poster never played a game before world of warcraft
>mmo homosexuals trying to understand the appeal of arpgs is always funny to see
Turning a one button skill into a god slaying legion deleting move is the fun part anon, every single successful arpg allows you to do this one way or another,
Currently playing Grim Dawn Druid with primal strike and seeing my lightning delete both bosses and trash packs is a treat
if you weren't a toddler you would realize that the way to solve this is scenarios where you'd wanna utilize many different spells, not to artificially limit them with cds
> Single target
> AOE
> Escape
> Defensive
> Nuke
That's literally all a diablo style game needs, what the frick does it want a rotation for
Rotationbros, we're not sending our best
That just means there is a best combination of skills instead.
Rotations have never been good and the only people who think so are brain dead MMOtards who probably grew up with WoW or some WoW dirivative like XIV.
The entire point of cool downs is that you have to time your rotations 😐 , PoE devs think they're davinci typing shit design.
>The entire point of cool downs is that you have to time your rotations
So what am I focusing on, then? Making sure I hit the correct keys in the correct sequence and not missing a beat? Is that the extent of my contribution to the gameplay? Or should I maybe have the ability to make decisions about what inputs to use and when, instead of glorified QTEs?
Judging from the PoE 2 meteor spell and the way building charge works, they're limiting usage of nuke spells with slow cast animations and new spirit resource instead.
there's no timing involved when you're spamming the skill the moment it comes out of cooldown.
and the thing they want to achieve is you use the skill that fits the situation, not just use skills because X makes Y do more damage so you use X, then Y and then Z because X,Y on cooldown.
With rotations you just do what does most damage regardless of what the situation is and if you die you go "oh I don't do enough damage" instead of thinking what you could've done differently to not die.
MMO style rotation gameplay is so fricking cringe and easy it's embarrasing. My GF plays MMOs and she literally watches a stream as she is raiding because she knows the rotations from memory, no need to look at screen all the time
>the point of cooldowns is that you can have a bot play for you
It's a not supposed to be a rhythm game anon.
Vaal skills have cooldowns though and they don't remotely do this lmao.
Gameplay shallow enough that it could be replaced by an autoclicker is equally as lame.
moronic blizz devs slapped MMORPG combat and even overall game design into an ARPG, thats why D4 is so bad.
>PoEChad devs casually mogging Shitablogay devs
>Diablo 4 devs and fans will never comment on PoE or go on their subreddit
Stop with the thirdie propaganda
Hello, Chang. How much is Tencent paying per post?
>trying to scapegoat PoEchads as chinese
>Diablo Immortal
dont you guys have phones?
Eh? Tencent holds 40% of ABK.
Sounds like Dynasty Warriors trash musou shit
Rotation based system where you balance cooldowns with your need to use a certain skill in a certain situation. Examples include Diablo 4 and Lost Ark.
One skill and 800 passives and procs off said skill. Examples include Path of Exile and Grim Dawn.
Different systems for different audiences. Apples and oranges. Personally I think Last Epoch managed a really good balance between cooldowns and spamming. And I have absolutely no doubt PoE2 will go down the PoE route of speed clear meta with spamming room clearing skills.
>PoE2 will go down the PoE route
Almost feels like the same company behind both games
you sound like a arpg newhomosexual
Skills should cost mana.
Mana should be restored by chugging mana potions.
Frick POE though, the very definition of overdesigned feature creeped shit. The fricking skill trees in it are some of the worst designed, worst balanced trash I've ever fricking seen.
Mmm meanwhilst most PoE builds end up as bouncing around the map at 200mph and one shotting the screen with 1 ability
yes and? it's a numbers go up game where you farm the same thing over and over for bigger numbers
if you want slow methodical story go play crpgs
>meanwhilst most PoE builds end up as bouncing around the map at 200mph
You haven't played PoE in the past few years have you?
Most builds are NOT zoom zoom anymore
3.14 called, they want you back there
But PoE is an one button game
ONE GAME
TWO CAMPAIGNS
ARPG's are skill-less number go up simulators. Try a real fricking game like a 2D fighter, you fricks.
>Fighter
>Real game
lmfao. Fortnite mogs any fighter and it is fricking fortnite. Deal with it, toddler.
But I do.
And also MOBAs
And also shooters
And also MMOs
And also RTSs
And also singpleayer RPGs
Just sticking to one genre is for homosexuals
>All gay genres
tell me what you play Black person
>And also MOBAs
>And also MMOs
Yeah but those 2 suck shit
A lot of them. Frick you.
Every day I am glad these lootclickers are no longer considered defacto action rpgs
Name a game that isn't an ARPG that is also... an ARPG. As you just implied. If you say an action game where the stats do not matter one bit like a Demons souls clone then you played yourself, fool.
stats matter more in demons souls than all your single ability spam lootclicker coping gacha addict
diablo has like 500 million active players meanwhile path of exile barely hits 20k
Good, devs should focus on their game's niche. What is ruining the vidya is the devs's greed and need to make their games to appeal the widest audience possible, making the game an amalgamation of ideas that will make the game mediocre and to not exceed in any aspect. D4 clearly follows this mindset, aiming to appeal normalgays and MMORPG gays.If you want to make a good game you should focus on things the franchise/genre exceeds, you should focus on appealing the FANS of the genre, doing that you'll get a game that has STRONG aspects that appeals the fans instead of being mediocre at everything like diablo4.
I dunno how this subgenre of RPGs lasted so long. It hit its peak decades ago with Diablo, Diablo II, and Dungeon Siege. There's nothing left.
>Dungeon Siege
>Dungeon siege
I forget you nigs still exist, refreshing to see
OP has never played PoE. It is clear. Game ends up being just as cancer as D3 and D4 in later mapping. One or two skills and spam flasks.
>rotations can be fun to learn but...
Instead they just force -mana cost on gear so you just hold right click and travel skill around a map
Did they slow down PoE2 from PoE's crackhead playstyle?
Kinda hard to tell, they didnt show anything end-game related yet.
I fricking hate the current state of ARPGs. I don't want to rotate skills, manage cooldowns and dodge one-shot mechanics. I just want to hold leftclick, get a quick dopamine release when something shiny drops and space out while thinking about life.
t. fanazealot enjoyer
>meanwhile, in D4
damn look at how slow that game is
never found my gibus but claw was still incredibly fun, shame they nerfed druid's healing, I don't know why blizz hates sustain so much
I'm sure that they didn't actually intend to nerf it as much as they did. They just have no idea how their own systems work.
Even if Druid and Rogue's crit-to-heal skills were changed to fricking 200% lucky hit chance, that's still monumentally worse than what they were prior to the change. Worse so since it still only triggers on crits-only; and worse still for Rogue as theirs is close enemies only.
>FORTIFIED FORTIFIED VULNERABLE VULNERABLE
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>can't see any of the actual enemies on screen
why do AAA morons do this? there's already a healthbar
I don't know why either. You can turn off damage numbers in the options but no one ever does it.
the one thing I wanted them to fix in season 1 and they didn't, still haven't, completely baffling
they have these weird believes that damage numbers = dopamine
just your usual cheap and superficial blizzard game design
I played D1 lately, and there was some basic satisfaction from my character getting stronger.
But I think their values are out of control, and it ends up making upgrades visually less meaningful. I felt more satisfaction going from 5 damage to 25 to 50 and 100 in D1 than I did going from 1 million to 5 million in D3.
I keep it in certain FPS games so that I can tell when i'm actually getting headshots or not.
does the entire game take place in this generic grey wasteland? I swear I hardly see anything else
they fell for the realism meme as a counter to diablo 3's criticisms of looking too cartoony
unfortunately this has the effect of 90% of the world looking really bland
yeah after the backlash of 3 being too bright and colourful they went too far in the other direction
game needs a 20% saturation boost and some new environments
Dark games are fine, the contrast is just weird and washed out. PoE2 is very dark and looks great in comparison.
yeah that's what saturation fixes
Also, HDR in diablo4 is broken and makes the game looks more washed out than it already is. If they fixed the HDR in this game, it would look much better on OLED screens.
Get a better monitor. HDR looks great here.
I use a 55'' OLED screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efC-_i3FFg
c2*
>video of HDR screen
Of course the foreigner doesn't get it.
You can't capture HDR in a pic. It's dependent on your screen as well.
Gears of War is 600/10.
lmfao
HDR is literally snake oil. Stop falling for it
It's literally awesome if you have a good display.
Classic Blizzard overcorrection... you'd think they would learn at some point.
the game is washed the frick out. Diablo 3 was also washed the frick out. In that sense they sorta doubled down
I think that one screenshot floating around with both games converted to monochromatic shows the problem really well. D2 in mono still has highlights and lowlights, everything is sharp and distuinguishable. D3 and 4 in mono are just grey
So don't play it on a black and white monitor, stupid.
Oh frick yes bro I love cookie clicker
It's so kino when 540k turns into 540m, you can really feel your character growing as you sift through mountains of useless garbage fishing for the piece of gear icyveins told you to use
Both of those games devolve into cookie clicker shit, and so will POE2.
I don't care about PoE, I'm here because Diablo is shit and I want to see it fail.
Will blizzard ever get over their "If the graphics looks like mud it belongs in an ARPG" phase?
>he doesn't clear the surrounding 8 screens with a single click
ngmi
Also LUL at that monster density
is that fun? i dont understand these games. i can make words appear in notepad. is it the amount of words at the same time that does it?
it's more the journey of going from a level 1 shitter killing a goblin in 3 swings, to that webm at the endgame, by selecting the right combination of skills and items to synergise with each other
to me it looks like these games are always level 1 player shitting on 100 level 1 enemies at the same time
>and then 10 hrs later
a lvl 50 player shitting on 100 level 50 enemies at the same time.
there's so many words appearing in that webm that i cant even see what's going on. the player knows which key he pressed sure, but it's always a bunch of enemies all dying at the same time, then a potion, repeat.
How can you Dilator homosexuals EVER complain about POE's visual clarity when all you can fricking see is useless numbers and FORTIFIED VULNERABLE overlayed 5000 times
We didn't. Go have some juice and calm down.
You can turn those off
You can just toggle that stuff off, which is practically required later on in the game.
I have never seen D4 gameplay with it turned off. I think you're bullshitting.
It's pretty embarrassing for PoE devs to directly call out D4 by name during their stream
Seriously what the frick did Blizzard think was going to happen when players hit "endgame"?
Builder/spender is proven to retain players, so the argument is invalid. It's absolute dogshit, but it works on the masses.
Situational/Positional rotations just end up adding one extra condition to the same flow. What are they proposing it be replaced with? No one has succeeded in finding an alternative.
See
Its obvious blizz focus is on making diablo4 appeal the widest audience possible, and thats what makes d4 a mediocre game for people that actually enjoy ARPG's.
>Builder/spender is proven to retain players
Bruh
Be careful with that shit. You're just one step away from reading the same Korean psychology research as bald moron and realizing that it's proven in them, that worst thing for player retention ever is player actually enjoying your game.
PoE still has a level of builder/spender with charges.
I think the concept they're going with has more in common with action and fighting games, giving abilities windups and active frames and allowing you to cancel the recovery by rolling.
It's obviously atypical of hack n' slash but it could make combat really fun if they balance it right and don't frick up with allowing players to ignore it all with one god spell.
>PoE still has a level of builder/spender with charges.
Only for subpar meme builds like CoC discharge, and even then it's automated.
Good build does not interrupt its action, it's like belt-fed gun with indefinite length belt. The condition for good flicker build for example, is that it doesn't need to press anything except flicker. There are more than enough different ways to do it, which means game actually suggest you to do it. All builds that involve charges, gain charges automatically through one mechanic or another, they do not interrupt useful action for that.
It'll be more relevant with 2, where having charges or not can cause abilities to behave differently in a big way.
There's nothing wrong with builder/spender, if they make builders actually fun, like in D3. In D4 they're abysmal.
D3 has dogshit builders too. It's just not noticeable in RoS because builds only become viable with full gear sets that either eliminate the need for builders or make them trivial
I dunno man, my favourite Monk builds were the ones that turned into “use Way of One Hundred Fists as often as possible”
This is hilarious because PoE is notorious for having builds that only work because of exploiting certain skill mechanics in combination with something else.
Leading to spam of skills repeatedly.
Example:
https://www.poe-vault.com/guides/righteous-fire-juggernaut-build-guide
You spam the same 3 abilities the entire game.
You have a rotation, even if they don't have cooldowns.
Then in certain situations you are doing fire trap against a beefy target.
WOW BRAVO SUPER FUN GAMEPLAY SKILLS WOW LITERALLY 2 ROTATIONS
ARPGs are fricking pathetic. It's laughable at how they get you morons to keep playing these skinnerboxes.
>because PoE is notorious for having builds
Why do you think that they're trying to change it for PoE 2 moron?
>they will fix it I promise bro
keep playing the game you are sunk cost fallacy chained to you stupid cuckold.
Also didn't watch Exilecon but please tell me they backed off from having it just be an expansion for PoE1. When I first heard of 2 I was hyped because I thought it was going to be a true sequel that stood on its own.
They did, it's a full sequel separate from the first game but it's very different. They're turning it into almost an action game rather than a typical "ARPG".
>it's very different
Well yeah there's a reason PoE players hate it so much while ARPG enjoyers are looking forward to it
that's cool. I still play PoE from time to time but I'm ready for a sequel that tries to stand on its own, hopefully using things they learned to make it better.
Imagine browsing that pozzed website full of low test homosexuals, trannies and lefties.
The best rotation ever in anything was WotK Ret Paladin
>HUURRR BRAINDEAD EZ
Who cares? It was fun. And they replaced it with build/spend. Anyone who brings that back has a goldmine solution waiting for them.
More freedom > less freedom
simple as
What is Exilecon? I was busy playing Diablo 4.
How about the entire genre is in for a rough fricking ride for the foreseeable future? Nu-Blizz are gays and don't understand what made D1-2 good because it was a different company.
GGG are obnoxious yet insecure shitters thinking they're reinventing the wheel, yet all they're doing is masking the fundamental problems with their designs. Over and over again.
Last Epoch is no doubt dead before it releases.
Grim Dawn is content complete.
We all lose.
what class is recommended for a complete diablo-let?
play league server/character or normal one?
It's great to talk shit about how another game does it if you do it better, but last I checked PoE is STILL about spamming your one big wipe the map button. It's one of the few games were you use fewer and fewer buttons the closer you get to full build.
D4 has problems but PoEs one button issue is bigger than all of them and pointing to other solutions as bad only makes sense if you have a good solution.
Cooldown system or builder/spenders might be lazy but at least it gets the job done.
The entire genre is out of date and has been since a certain man created a certain ARPG genre with actual good encounters and combat.
>japanslop
Worthless.
Better combat, encounters, bosses, no cap.
Japan has never made a good game.
No western game has ever had even 5/10 combat. Not one.
>dodge
>dodge
>dodge
>poke
>dodge
>dodge
>dodge
>poke
>dodge
>dodge
>dodge
>poke
>dodge
>dodge
>dodge
>poke
Literally double the moves of PoE/D4
>Left mouse
>Left mouse
>Left mouse
>Left mouse
>Left mouse (x124)
>"OMG... is that a heckin Legendary/Chaos Orb? Nice!"
>*Buy cosmetics*
>Repeat
>enemy readies the flashiest shit you've ever seen that has enough power to kill armies
>dodge
>poke
>win
>Cosmic Interdemensional Evil stands on the spot and throws out the occasional attack
>Don't dodge
>L1 skill
>Win
>*Buy celebratory cosmetics*
>left mouse
>rubberbands
>disconnects from blizzard's 2 dollar servers
>in queue
>9728 minutes remain
>get in game
>not a soul in town
what a heckin video game!
I simply choose to not buy cosmetics
why can't you do the same?
I choose not to play shitty gacha games
>cosmetics is the same as gacha
must be hard living with brainworms
what do you think gacha is moronic Black person cattle?
what do YOU think it is? because this doesn't describe path of exile
>my flavor of cancerous MTX is better than yours
grim
I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx
You have not played PoE. The game is not playable without buying in tabs.
>pay a single upfront cost
>never have to look at mtx again
so like any other videogame?
>pay a single upfront cost
Why pretend it's free and it can be played fairly without putting money in it then?
Factually wrong. You have not played the game and it's showing. The game's economy is designed around selling you tabs.
>which lootbox comes with the tabs?
I'll redirect you to what is being discussed so that you don't sound completely moronic because you got involved in a conversation without fully understanding the context
>my flavor of cancerous MTX is better than yours
>moron calls game gacha skinnerbox games
>points out you need tabs
>doesn't realize he still continues to not know what he's talking about
It's all so tiresome, maybe learn the words you use before you sound like a massive moron again.
>moron calls game gacha skinnerbox games
You can't even read properly. Shame.
>I play the game a lot
Prove it. And show your stash while you are at it.
>I never said that.
Someone did and you got involved defending that position so for all intents and purposes you agree with the statement otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you.
>Someone did and you got involved defending that position so for all intents and purposes you agree with the statement otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you.
No? Literally nobody said the game is free, I said that I don't buy the MTX. I've spent less than $60 total on the game over 8+ years of playing, which I would consider a fair price.
How is that "cancerous mtx" exactly?
>Literally nobody said the game is free
But the game is free?
>I said that I don't buy the MTX
>I've spent less than $60 total on the game
?
So you HAVE purchased MTX? Despite claiming the opposite?
Correct.
I'm this guy
making fun of two autists are guing about how their different flavors of MTX are somehow different or better than the other.
>So you HAVE purchased MTX? Despite claiming the opposite?
I said I don't actively buy the mtx, not that I've never bought them. I spent what I would consider a fair price for the game on non-cosmetic mtx and never touched them again.
Pretending like the game is cancerous because you have to spend money on it is deranged
>I don't actively buy the mtx
>not that I've never bought them
What the frick am I reading? How many layers of cope are you on right now?
You have admitted to do MTX transactions and somehow at the same time you are arguing that you haven't.
>spend money on game
>then never spend money again
isn't this the ideal business model? or are you just genuinely upset you can't have every game for free?
Are you ready explain how this is cancerous exactly?
>then never spend money again
I'm sure you thought that would have been the case the first time you spent $10 in it. Then 3 years passed and you spent another $20. At the end of the ride after 8 years have passed you checked and it was $60.
Bottom line here is that you kept babbling about how "ust don't purchase MTX bro" and yet, a couple posts later you admitted to doing it.
It makes this post
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
Extremely ironic and hilarious.
>At the end of the ride after 8 years have passed you checked and it was $60.
yes, and? if you think spending $60 over 8 years in $5 increments is some huge black stain on the game then you're delusional when normal games demand $70 just to start playing.
if you don't want to purchase the mtx you don't have to beyond the $30-60 entry price. so again, how is it cancerous?
>yes, and?
It's simple
>$60 over 8 years in $5 increments
>spend money on game
>then never spend money again
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
I don't even have to write at this point because you've done all of this to yourself willingly.
the only mtx I've bought are ones that actually make the game more enjoyable, which came out incrementally. They're all out now, so it's safe to say that all you need is to spend the entry price and enjoy the game
Is this difficult for you to understand? How is any of this cancerous or even bad?
>it's bad because UHHH MTX BAD
>*buys $70 game with battle pass*
>the only mtx I've bought
And, again
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
All you had to do is keep your mouth shut but instead you chose to be vocally moronic.
>endlessly quoting the same two things because you're too moronic to realize they make perfect sense
I will pray for you anon
Do you ever question why you have such strong opinions when you can't even answer a simple question like "why is it bad"?
>endlessly quoting the things that prove I'm moronic and wrong
You damn bet I do lol
>you don't have to spend money beyond $60 for stash tabs
>BUT YOU SPENT $60 ON STASH TABS CURIOUS
diagnosable mental moronation
>diagnosable mental moronation
I'm not the one that was bragging about not buying MTX and the lack of willpower of those doing that and then admitting to doing it though?
Are you okay?
>bragging
I was asking why you hate mtx, because I can't imagine having a vitriolic hatred for a system that ends up being cheaper than paying $70 for a videogame unless you're the kind of moron who can't control themselves and ends up spending a thousand dollars
Your pilpuling won't get you anywhere.
From this
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
to this
>pay a single upfront cost
>never have to look at mtx again
to this
>spending $60 over 8 years in $5 increments
Complete lack of self-awareness and critical thinking.
>I was asking why you hate mtx
You never asked me anything of the sort. You went STRAIGHT into "duh I'm just superior and don't buy MTX bro, how little willpower you have to do that AMIRITE?!"
Literally the post next to mine.
>You never asked me anything of the sort.
sorry, didn't realize I had to literally type out the words "why do you hate mtx". Now that I have, wanna answer the question instead of just schizoposting?
>>pay a single upfront cost
$60 over 8 years in $5 increments
Correct, because the mtx worth buying didn't exist when I started playing. Today, I'd say the game has an upfront cost and nothing more.
I didn't even buy anything for the first 3 years of playing, because the mtx wasn't worth buying.
Nothing about what I said is even slightly contradictory if you use your brain a little bit.
>sorry, didn't realize I had to literally ask a question for you to know that I asked a question
That's how conversations work, moron.
Sorry that I didn't realize I had to read your mind I guess.
>still not answering the question
lel
do you ever wonder where all these opinions come from that you can't articulate?
You're just a high roading homosexual, my guy
You're also not worth talking to if you don't see the difference between optional mtx versus p2w gacha garbage
You're living in a time that doesn't exist anymore, and chances are, even when mtx wasn't a thing, you strike me as the type of homosexual that would complain about expansion packs.
>you don't see the difference between microtransactions
yes I don't moronic paypig
please, moron
enlighten us, what game in the past 10 years have come out that doesn't have mtx/dlc that you play
I know your response already, but it'll help me confirm on whether or not you're the same favela monkey from last time.
>b-but games all have mtx now
That doesn't change mtx from being bad
You are reinforcing further that you are a moronic consoomer and a problem with the current industry.
>That doesn't change mtx from being bad
how is mtx bad?
>T-that doesn't change mtx from being bad!
you're 15 years too late
I curse you to stay on this board forever, never playing another game, watching your "favorite" series die in front of you.
I know that curse is also 10 years too late, but I'm just making sure you never leave.
>i don't buy mtx, that's for weak willed homosexuals
>okay I do but only once and that's it
>okay I do it over the span of eight years
>but a lot of games have mtx now!
who are you quoting?
you. little paypiggy
>who are you quoting?
you
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
here
>pay a single upfront cost
>never have to look at mtx again
here
>yes, and? if you think spending $60 over 8 years in $5 increments
here
>enlighten us, what game in the past 10 years have come out that doesn't have mtx/dlc
and here
moron
>still no answer on how mtx is bad
lmfao
Are you ok, schizo?
Oh don't worry anon I have this """argument""" covered.
>I never said that.
>Someone did and you got involved defending that position so for all intents and purposes you agree with the statement otherwise I wouldn't be talking to you.
Here you go. Perhaps you are a tourist and you didn't realize everyone here is anonymous. Now you do.
>still just schizoposting about random shit instead of answering a simple question that was asked
>still pilpulling in hopes the argument doesn't stop with you getting completely blasted bu your own arguments and posts
Not gonna work I'm afraid. Go buy more tabs or something (but only this time pinky promise)
>devolves into schizoposting instead of being able to have a normal conversation
I really feel sorry for you anon, congrats on "winning" I guess
>devolves into moronicly admitting to do exactly what was attacking a couple posts ago
Same man, something must be extremely wrong in your life for you to not be able to maintain consistency in what you say.
everything I said was consistent meanwhile you're shitting on mtx without being able to answer a simple "why is mtx bad" instead you try to desperately prove that I'm okay with buying mtx which I already told you I am
>everything I said was consistent
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
here
>pay a single upfront cost
>never have to look at mtx again
here
>yes, and? if you think spending $60 over 8 years in $5 increments
here
>enlighten us, what game in the past 10 years have come out that doesn't have mtx/dlc
and here
Back to step 1.
how is mtx bad?
I didn't? My point was that you don't need to buy mtx to enjoy the game beyond an entry fee. I never intended to mean I never purchased any mtx.
I realize it came off that way and now this homosexual got his "contradiction" and will never be able to have a normal conversation again, but I think it's pretty clear what I meant.
>I didn't?
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
>I realize it came off that way and now this homosexual got his "contradiction" and will never be able to have a normal conversation again, but I think it's pretty clear what I meant.
are you jerking yourself raw right because you imagine someone contradicted themselves? Are you just autistic and unable to interpret anything outside of the most literal way?
>say thing
>point out that you said a thing
>"NOO NOT THAT WAY WHY DIDN'T YOU READ MY MIND?!?!"
How is any of this my problem? The fact of the matter is that your post is very clearly mocking the idea of purchasing mtx.
So, why did your post mock the idea of purchasing mtx if there's nothing wrong about it?
>How is any of this my problem?
because in a normal conversation if someone clarifies their position it's normal to argue against their actual position instead of autistically pointing out that something they said is stupid if interpreted literally
>So, why did your post mock the idea of purchasing mtx if there's nothing wrong about it?
because I can't imagine taking an issue with mtx unless you're the kind of homosexual who spends hundreds of dollars on cosmetics. So again, what's the issue with mtx?
In a normal conversation you wouldn't be a dishonest autist trying to salvage a constant stream of contradicting posts. I would accept it if it was a one time thing but it's happened like 4 times already so that's just not gonna fly.
>I can't imagine taking an issue with mtx
But you did take an issue in your post. The question is why did you have an initial problem with it.
A normal conversation would have ended long ago because you would have admitted to be wrong but here we are, on the internet, not having a normal conversation.
what's the issue with mtx?
You tell me, why did you pretend like it was good that you avoided purchasing mtx and then you mocked the lack of willpower of the people that purchase them? There had to be a reason why your initial post was so clearly negative towards the purchase of mtx, right?
>There had to be a reason why your initial post was so clearly negative towards the purchase of mtx, right?
because people who buy hundreds of dollars worth of mtx are idiots?
For me is that people who buy tens of dollars worth of mtx are idiots. See? I was right in saying that mtx is garbage.
>For me is that people who buy tens of dollars worth of mtx are idiots.
you should be able to articulate why, yet here we are, over a dozen posts later and you haven't given a single reason for it
>you should be able to articulate why
Why didn't you articulate why people who buy hundreds of dollars worth of mtx are idiots?
because you didn't ask
Why didn't you read my mind like I'm supposed to read yours, bro? In a normal conversation bro you would justify your answer which you didn't. So go ahead.
because cosmetics aren't worth hundreds of dollars to me. It's spending far more money on things that have next to no value. Are you gonna tell me why mtx is bad now?
>Are you gonna tell me why mtx is bad now?
Because mtx isn't worth its money to me.
Oh wow, that was hard.
have we reached the point where you're so assblasted all you do is repeat my posts back to me? Do you really have no thoughts of your own? I'm sorry I even talked to you, must be traumatizing for someone to ask you to use your brain
Sounds like you are projecting because I'm not giving you the gotcha that you are fishing for.
Is there any reason why your argument should work for you but not for me? It's unironically a good argument why mtx is trash the only difference is that the number for which mtx to you is okay is different than mine.
so why are you okay with paying for videogames and not mtx?
See? You are just fishing for a gotchas. That's why you keep pipuling.
>so why are you okay with paying for videogames
I'm not and nothing I said indicates the opposite. I pirate everything I can.
Lets see what new angle you go for now.
wait then why do you even care? You could just not buy the mtx. How is it cancerous if you don't have to buy it?
Why do you even care if people goes past your acceptable threshold of mtx purchases? You could just spend $60 or so which you are okay with.
>why do you even care?
It creates a precedent. Remember when mtx wasn't a thing at all? There you go.
>Why do you even care if people goes past your acceptable threshold of mtx purchases?
I don't, that's why I don't go to threads calling mtx cancerous.
>Remember when mtx wasn't a thing at all?
>back then: don't buy mtx because there isn't any
>right now: don't buy mtx by simply not doing it
not very different at all. What's the precedent you're scared of, exactly?
>I don't go to threads calling mtx cancerous
Stop right there
>I simply choose to not purchase the mtx and play the good videogame
>is your willpower so weak that you start typing in your card information the moment you can purchase something?
how is that implying mtx is bad at all? I'm simply mocking people who have such bad willpower that they end up spending hundreds of dollars on pointless shit, which is the only reason I could imagine for someone to hate mtx
>how is that implying mtx is bad at all?
How is it not? If there was nothing wrong with it you wouldn't have a problem purchasing it (because it would be justified) and you wouldn't have a problem with people buying it (because it would be justified)
I have no issue with unjustified or overpriced items existing, I simply don't purchase them.
You can just not purchase things without thinking they're cancerous
Yes
20 years ago
it's over
you don't play games anymore
you screech like a monkey on Ganker all day
your arguments are all the same:
>"But I'm the better person because I don't participate in games that have mtx"
only for you to reverse on that statement pledging your hand to god that you don't actually pay for the mtx though!
you've lost over and over again, and all you do now is just say, "but why"
not even asking a question, just saying, "but why"
I will accept your concession
You've lost
I've won
/thread
Take your meds.
if mtx isn't bad why did you lie about purchasing them?
>gets called out
>"Uh, I'm not actually moronic, you're just a tourist!"
Your brain ain't workin' too well anymore, schizo
>no argument
Concession accepted.
I can accept these terms
MTX is bad
and you don't play video games anymore
those are agreeable statements
>MTX is bad
>and you don't play video games anymore
Or I can do this instead
>keep playing videogames
>keep saying that mtx is garbage
>ACTUALLY don't buy anything mtx
>literally argues with someone else about how playing games with mtx is bad for half the thread
>admits to playing games with mtx
>"b-but I don't ACTUALLY buy anything!"
I accept your concession
literally the same moronic shit that gachabots say when confronted lmao
>tabs
>not pay to win
>buy 5 tabs
>now you are on the same level as everyone else
wow that's so fricking pay to win
So you have to pay in to even get on the same level as everyone
yes, so about the same as having to pay to access the game in the first place
feel free to explain how it's any different
except you aren't, buying a shitload of tabs gives you no real advantage
If you think they do give you advantage, feel free to explain what the advantage is since none of you homosexuals ever do
>If you think they do give you advantage, feel free to explain what the advantage is since none of you homosexuals ever do
You just admitted that you buy 5 to be on equal terms to everyone else. So, if they don't give an advantage why do you need them to be equal to everyone else?
because having a certain tab, like a currency tab provides the advantage of quicker inventory management. Having two currency tabs doesn't provide any advantage over having one because it already holds all your currency.
If there is an advantage, feel free to articulate what that advantage is
>because having a certain tab, like a currency tab provides the advantage
There you go.
does having 10 cars provide an advantage over having 1 car? Or does it not matter because the actual advantage is a binary choice between whether or not you have a car?
If any advantage gained by spending money is p2w then sure, it's p2w. But not in a way anyone should ever care about.
You already admitted to be wrong, man.
>because having a certain tab, like a currency tab provides the advantage
>does having 10 cars provide an advantage over having 1 car?
Yes. What kind of question is this?
>Yes. What kind of question is this?
how? what's the advantage? Do you get to your destination faster if you have 10 cars?
>how? what's the advantage?
I can sell them. I can rent them. If one breaks I have 9 other to choose from.
I could blow half of them for my own entertainment and still have the benefit of the other half.
Can you do that with one car? Or with no cars?
>unable to follow a simple analogy
you can't rent or sell the stash tabs, or do anything other than their intended purpose with them.
So in this analogy, if you can't do anything with the cars other than use them for their intended purpose, having more than 1 car is pointless. And while yes, having a car is an advantage, it's an advantage anyone can have and doesn't scale beyond having a car
>you can't rent or sell the stash tabs
And you can't blow up your cars without getting in trouble. So much for the "can't follow the analgy" huh?
The point is that many tabs, just like many cars, have their benefits. Sounds more like you didn't expect your moronic analogy to backfire.
>The point is that many tabs, just like many cars, have their benefits.
Then you should be able to articulate what those benefits are.
>Then you should be able to articulate what those benefits are.
The benefit is having more tabs that serve their purpose. What kind of point are you trying to make?
>What kind of point are you trying to make?
that one tab of a type already gives you the maximum possible advantage that tab type can give you, making the game not pay to win because you can't actually buy an advantage if someone else already has the tab.
>that one tab of a type already gives you the maximum possible advantage
But that's wrong otherwise you would need only one tab.
one tab of each type, because they do different things. Even that is stretching it since some tabs are pretty useless
>one tab of each type
So you need a bunch of different tabs. More tabs = better.
What's your point, again?
that once you buy a bunch of tabs, you can no longer buy more tabs for an advantage, which means the game isn't p2w, it simply has an entry cost.
is diablo p2w because you need to pay to access the game?
>that once you buy a bunch of tabs
>not p2w
Do you read yourself?
If there's threshold in which more tabs isn't better why is there people buying more and more tabs and have been doing it season after season?
>If there's threshold in which more tabs isn't better why is there people buying more and more tabs and have been doing it season after season?
the same reason people buy shitloads of cosmetics, I'm assuming
And that's relevant to what we are discussing because...?
because you asked why people buy shitloads of tabs if it doesn't provide an advantage. I'm telling you the reason is the same why people buy dumb shit in general.
read this, replied to the other guy thinking it was you
>Why do people with poor impulse control keep doing impulsive things?
>not a response to my question or an argument
It's okay I can keep going to see what you are trying to reach for.
The guy that buys homosexual cosmetics does so because he spends 12+ hours a day looking at his toon so he wants to look fly. The benefit here is that he wants to look at something pretty.
So, why does he buy tabs over and over and over again? What's the benefit of this non-cosmetic purchase?
I don't know. I'm assuming it's because they like the aesthetics of having different things organized into different tabs. which is a disadvantage, if anything since they're just wasting time pointlessly sorting shit.
>organizing
>disadvantage
you people couldn't have an honest discussion if your life depended on it
organizing currency you get from content X into tab A and currency you get from content Y into tab B is not an advantage. Like I said, it's a disadvantage if anything because you're wasting time. Anyone who's actually played the game will tell you the same.
>Anyone who's actually played the game will tell you the same.
Which is exactly why I know you have not played the game, have done so with no extra tabs or you are just another disingenuous homosexual full of shit.
Currency is not the only thing you hold in your stash. Good luck navigating your actually expanded stash efficiently without any kind of organization in place.
I was using currency as an example, it's the exact same with anything else.
There's no reason to meticulously organize anything because you can search the tabs anyway, it's a massive waste of time.
Here's my stash, like half of it is empty because you don't need this many tabs. There's absolutely no advantage I'd gain from buying more tabs, let alone tabs of the same type. Why do you think I'd ever need to buy more tabs?
>I was using currency as an example
A disingenuous example because currency is probably the least of your problem space-wise. You already knew this though.
>Here's my stash, like half of it is empty because you don't need this many tabs.
Correction: half of it is empty because you don't play enough to fill it up.
>Correction: half of it is empty because you don't play enough to fill it up.
I played like 200 hours this league and made ~400 div in currency. Pretty sure I'm at least in the top 5% of players and I'm telling you you don't need a frickton of stash tabs. What situation do you think you'd need a shitload of stash space? Most of the things you pick up you'll convert into currency and if you can't convert it to currency it's not worth picking up.
>200 hours
So, nothing.
>What situation do you think you'd need a shitload of stash space?
Any situation. Having more space is always beneficial.
>So, nothing.
lol, I'm easily in the top 5% of players in terms of time spent/currency earned. If I don't need more tabs, almost no one else does.
>Any situation. Having more space is always beneficial.
It's literally not beneficial if you have nothing to fill the space with. Here's a simple question, how would I have benefitted if I had more tabs? Would I make more currency? Would my character be stronger? How exactly would I be "winning" with a bunch more empty tabs?
>It's literally not beneficial
In what world you live in that having more of something that is good, isn't good?
storage space is only good if you have stuff to put in said storage space. empty storage space is not good, it's useless.
Again, if you think it's good, you should be to articulate what benefit I would be getting from buying more tabs. How is it going to make me more currency or make my character stronger?
>How is it going to make me more currency or make my character stronger?
Because you can hold way more items for longer before they sell. More items sold = more currency = better character = better.
if you're holding onto 10 tabs worth of shit for weeks waiting for it to sell you're pricing your shit wrong. It's extremely rare that I have an item up for sale for more than a day or two.
I can tell you don't play the game in any kind of extensive way because you think there even are several tabs of shit worth picking up.
Again, I would get no benefit from more tabs. I don't leave things on the ground because I don't have stash space to sell it. More space won't magically make more worthwhile items appear.
But that's wrong.
Your filter is set up in a certain way based on what you consider valuable based around how much stash space you have. IF I have quads upon quads I may loose my filter and save items that may not show up in your filter but that are still good for selling.
More stash = better.
It's that simple.
Again, you're making it extremely obvious that you don't play the game.
You don't sell 2c items not because you lack stash space but because it's a literal waste of time.
In the time it takes to pick up the item, put it in the tab, portal out of whatever map you're doing, trade the item and go back to the map you will make more currency just doing the map. You would be literally losing currency by doing this.
If the game had an auction house where you can instantly sell shit you'd have a point but it doesn't. Picking up tons of random shit off the ground makes you less currency therefore having more tabs doesn't help.
>it's a literal waste of time
Here we go. It's a literal waste of space because you have a more limited amount of stash space.
No, it's a waste of time because trading takes time. You will make MORE currency skipping it. I literally just explained this. Are you moronic?
>a trade that takes 5 seconds
>waste of time
No. And that's being generous and accepting that all the items that you are ignoring and I'm not are worth just 2c which is not the case.
>And that's being generous and accepting that all the items that you are ignoring and I'm not are worth just 2c which is not the case.
Go watch any high level player, the kind that actually does have a dozen quad tabs and you'll see that they are in fact not picking up trash items off the ground.
A trade doesn't take 5 seconds. It takes at minimum 30 seconds. If I have a farming strategy that nets me 3 div per hour (this is on the lower end), I'm making 10c per minute. In other words, if I pick up anything worth less than 5c I'm losing currency.
This is the most basic shit anyone will tell you if you want to play efficiently. Don't bother selling tiny shit and play the game instead.
because I can do simple arithmetic.
>Go watch any high level player
Funny that you say this because I was just checking a video of Zizaran and the dude had like 70 tabs in a folder and had a Quad and half of and I quote "trash items from the start of the league that are worthless".
okay, so what advantage does the ability to hoard worthless items give me?
Yes, they have lots of tabs. No, it doesn't give them an advantage.
>check the pros
>*check the pros and they have tons of tabs*
>t-that doesn't count
Are you going to keep your argument straight or what?
>No, it doesn't give them an advantage.
It clearly does or they wouldn't do it, right? You literally send me to check on one to see that I'm wrong but now that it doesn't fit your narrative, it's not valid?
>Are you going to keep your argument straight or what?
I didn't say they're not gonna have tabs, I said they're not gonna be selling trash items, which they aren't. Go ahead and ask them if selling 2c items is worth your time.
>It clearly does or they wouldn't do it, right?
No, it doesn't. If you think it does you should be articulate what advantage arises from having a quad tab full of useless items that aren't good enough to be even worth selling.
It takes at minimum 30 seconds. Why talk about a game you don't play
goes to your hideout and waits until you are done what whatever you are doing
fricking lmao. If you don't trade them within 10 seconds of them joining your hideout they will leave and probably block you for wasting their time
You are saying that having tons of tabs is useless. You tell me to check on the pros.
I go and check on a pro and not only does he have fricking tons of tabs but he has a quad and a half of useless shit.
What am I supposed to take from this? Think about it.
>You tell me to check on the pros.
Yes, in the context of saying that it's not worth selling cheapo shit.
>What am I supposed to take from this? Think about it.
That he's a whale who has spent way too much money on the game? If your takeaway is "omg i must spend a shitload of money too!" then you're a moron.
Of course they're all going to have shitloads of tabs as well as shitloads of mtx. They're whales. Doesn't mean they have an advantage. There's nothing they can do that I can't.
>in the context of saying that it's not worth selling cheapo shit
and yet he still had a ton of cheapo shit around
>That he's a whale who has spent way too much money on the game?
Because he gets a benefit out of the extra space, perhaps? And what does this have to do with him hoarding garbage?
>and yet he still had a ton of cheapo shit around
correct, because he's hoarding shit. That doesn't mean hoarding useless shit is an advantage.
I can't believe I have to explain this to you but sometimes people do things that don't give them an advantage because they're lazy or because they just can.
Again, ask any remotely efficient player and they will tell you you're wasting your time selling these items. What you're doing is a massive waste of time and if you bought more tabs just to do this you've also wasted real money. Literally paying to lose, lmao
>"check on the pros"
>check on a pro
>he's hoarding shit (despite not being beneficial) and he has tons of tabs (despite not being beneficial)
>"that doesn't count bro, ignore what you just saw that I asked you to check because it proves me wrong"
This is such an extremely weird situation honestly. Even the other autist in this thread that kept contradicting hismelf over and over sounded less unhinged that you do right now.
I said check to see if they're selling 2c items. I said earlier that whales buy tons of tabs.
I don't know what benefit you think hoarding a shitload of items that he's never going to sell or use has.
If you bought tabs for the sole purpose of doing an inefficient strategy then yes.
yes, because he'd rather dump everything into a tab rather than vendor it which takes maybe 2 seconds longer
>inb4 SO HE SAVES 2 MINUTES PER WEEK?? LE PAY TO WIN
>I said check to see if they're selling 2c items
Actually, you said
>Go watch any high level player, the kind that actually does have a dozen quad tabs and you'll see that they are in fact not picking up trash items off the ground.
And the one I checked did have tons of useless garbage so.
fair enough, my bad on that. I didn't think they'd be moronic enough to do that.
They certainly don't get any advantage from picking up vendor trash though
>So it does have an advantage but you are arbitrarily choosing what is
He does have an advantage if he chooses to pick up a ton of random shit and dump it in his inventory, I guess? Not any real advantage that would translate to currency or character power, which is what an advantage is.
>Dude, you are literally arguing that spending 10 second is not time-effective what the frick are you damage-controlling bout with this?
where did I say this? what?
>He does have an advantage
>Not any real advantage
>can't read
unlucky
>Can't write a coherent phrase
Unlucky.
>where did I say this? what?
You said that it's worthless to trade shit worth 2c because it takes a small amount of time that you could spend mapping.
At the same time you damage controlled about how saving minutes per week by having extras tabs is not a valid benefit of having more times.
In both cases you are increase your mapping uptime.
Yes, a trade takes 30 seconds. That's not a lot of time, but you will find a ton of 2c items, so it adds up. I can't believe I have to spell out the most basic shit to you morons.
>how saving minutes per week by having extras tabs is not a valid benefit of having more times.
In both cases you are increase your mapping uptime.
He's only saving minutes because he's picking up worthless shit in the first place. You will never benefit from having a full quad tab of garbage. I'm a hoarder in this game and pick up a lot of random shit and I still don't come close to filling up the tab setup I posted.
>but you will find a ton of 2c items, so it adds up
It adding up only improves your time effectiveness though. Why the obsession with 2c anyways? I'm sure you skip a fair amount of shit worth more than 2c simply because it's not worth it picking up on your limited space budget.
>It adding up only improves your time effectiveness though
No? Because you're not gonna be selling them in bulk.
Again, I'm nowhere near close to filling up my tabs. I skip anything worth less than 10c not because I don't have the space but because it's literally negative currency. If you're picking up these small items that you can't sell in bulk you're wasting your time. I don't know how else to tell you this, just ask anyone you consider an efficient player. They will use super strict filters and not bother with small items
Yes, because you can allot some time for trading and have the morons queue up while you are having a wank or munching on something which does increase your time effectiveness by definition. Not sure why do you pretend like mapping/playing in general happens in a vacuum where nothing ever goes wrong, real word shit never happens where you may have to be half-afk and not focused on actual mapping, etc. You are acting like once you start mapping you are somehow able to complete fade out the rest of the reality from happening, lol.
If that's the case, you're better off just flipping currency while half afk and make way more money than selling random trash.
There's always more efficient things you can do, because picking up cheap items is a really really useless strategy.
This also doesn't include the annoyance factor of having to leave your map to make 2c, which is immense for me personally
>factor of having to leave your map to make 2c
I literally mentioned being half-afk and not doing any focused mapping specifically and you still went for this dumb shit again.
I don't know how to be more clear.
If I spend 40 minutes on the phone talking with my gf that's 40 minutes I'm not mapping that I can be selling shit to randos for a couple cs a pop on top of the high value stff while you are looking at your hideout doing nothing because you sold the 3 high value items you had already in the first 3 minutes..
Now imagine this happens 5 times in a week. 13 weeks in a season. Do the math.
>I literally mentioned being half-afk and not doing any focused mapping specifically and you still went for this dumb shit again.
And I responded to it by saying flipping currency or other items will make you like 50x more currency in the same timespan. Are you really such a homosexual you ignored my whole post to snipe half a sentence?
>flipping currency or other items
Or you know, I can all of it and make even more.
Again, revealing you don't play the fricking game
Flipping currency doesn't live any time left to do anything else or accept more trades
Why do you have such strong opinions on a game you don't play? Why do you pretend to know anything?
>Trading dosn't leave you time for trading
?
Since you don't play the game I will explain it to you. If you flip currency you will get so many trade requests that you will have to ignore some of them because it's not physically possible to answer 30 trade requests per minute.
Again, I suggest you don't have such strong opinions on games you clearly know nothing about, it just makes you look like a massive homosexual. have a nice day.
Or you could just use the tools that trivializes flipping instead. Wow that was hard.
>lol just use bots and get banned
sure, you could also just rmt and we don't need to have this discussion about the game being p2w
>bots
Shit like Mercury Trade was used a couple years ago and there was nothing wrong with it
You still spend 15-25 seconds per trade with mercury trade. Again, if you played the game you'd know you will get absolutely spammed with requests while flipping.
20 requests for minute that Mercury filtered is nothing. You had more than enough time to do normal trade in between. I'm sorry but it's clear to me that yo uare now projecting. You are more than capable of having a normal trade session while flipping.
All of this because you can't admit that more tabs benefit you more as a player. In fact you went as far as to say that more tabs is actually better. Fricking comical.
>20 requests for minute that Mercury filtered is nothing.
please provide a video of you doing a trade in 3 seconds, you fricking mongoloid.
>You are more than capable of having a normal trade session while flipping.
Even if that's true, you should still just flip other items, buy things to sell in bulk or add more currencies to flip. Literally any of these things is an order of magnitude more profitable than picking up random rares off the ground to sell.
>All of this because you can't admit that more tabs benefit you more as a player.
Because they don't. If you want to make the absolute maximum amount of currency, flipping items is what you should be doing and you need 1 currency tab and 1 premium tab for that, nothing more.
>f you want to make the absolute maximum amount of currency, flipping items is what you should be doing
Then why are you mapping? :^)
Your incoherent posts keep piling up man.
because I prefer to play the videogame, even if it's less efficient.
>constantly babbling about how selling low value stuff is inefficient
>admits to be okay with inefficiency
As I said, completely unhinged.
I'm not the one claiming that doing inefficient shit is "winning"
Neither am I. I'm the one saying that more tabs is better and you have categorically proved that to be the case once again with your last post.
>you only need two tabs to do the most efficient money making strategy in the game
>therefore more tabs lets you win more
how does this follow, exactly?
Just like you like being inefficient with maps, some people like being inefficient with their trades. And for that they need more tabs. Therefor more tabs = better.
What are you gonna do about this?
So more tabs it's better because it lets you do things that will make you less currency and this is pay to win, supposedly?
lol
>you only need two tabs
>the vast majority of the playerbase has bought numerous tabs
How does this follow, exactly?
the vast majority of people don't want to do the most efficient strategy.
>the vast majority of people don't want to do the most efficient strategy
And that's exactly why more tabs is better 😉
but we're not talking about whether or not it's better, we're talking about whether it makes the game pay to win.
You can say having shiny cosmetics is better but it has nothing to do with p2w
>we're not talking about whether or not it's bette
We are and we have been for hours. All the posts are there for you te re-read.
>we're talking about whether it makes the game pay to win
We already clarified this to be the case when you were forced to buy the bare minimum to be on par with the rest of the playerbase, sweety.
So you agree poe is not p2w? Cool, I accept your concession. Nothing else to do here.
>Can't even read
Not surprised, really. It explains a lot of what is going on with your posts.
why are you still replying? You already agreed it's not p2w. Why do you want to argue with someone who agrees with you?
>forced to buy stash tabs to even keep up with the rest of the playerbase
>not p2w
extremely desperate moment for you
every game is p2w by this logic. You're not allowed to win unless you buy the game, right?
>pirate the game
ez, try again
wait you actually agree that buying a game is p2w? holy shit I can't believe I was arguing with a fricking moron who doesn't know what p2w means. I don't think you're a real human being
>random fabricated schizo rambling
the absolute state of your brain
lol I like how you won't even defend yourself because you realize how moronic it is to argue about a game being p2w when you have no clue what the term means
why would I even acknowledge some schizo rambling? you said that buying games is pay 2 win and all I said is that you can pirate games
you are in a complete meltdown state right now for some reason you need to calm down before you hurt yourself
if you're moronic enough to think buying games is p2w then you don't know what the term means.
I'm genuinely embarrassed I wasted my time arguing with you.
>if you're moronic enough to think buying games is p2w
you are the one bringing this nonsense up for some reason, you got issues
>cannot follow a simple analogy
I'm amazed 70iq remedials like you roam this website
You mean like the car analogy that backfired before? I don't think you want to go down that route again.
Just calm down.
>backfired
I abandoned it when it became clear you're too moronic to follow it. I was trying to do you a favor, anon
>I abandoned it when it backfired
Yeah I noticed
>haha I was too moronic to understand, GOT EM
I feel sorry for you. You'll go through your entire life totally incapable of basic reasoning. Just know that everyone else can tell. When you act confused when people make basic analogies or parables it's not normal. It's obvious to everyone around you and they feel sorry for you.
>I was too moronic to accept I was wrong
Just like it happened with the "look at a pro", funny
>ust like it happened with the "look at a pro
why would you bring that up? you understand it's embarrassing when someone says "pros have lots of stash tabs" and then you act amazed when they do and pretend it's a dunk? You're barely human anon
>you see they spent money to not be effective
You really are trying your best eh?
>it must be effective otherwise they wouldn't buy it
moron
>they will buy it despite being ineffective
moron
Correct, I think you'll find people will do the less efficient thing all the time. Much like you are in this thread right now instead of doing something useful with your life.
>Much like you are in this thread right now instead of doing something useful with your life.
You mean like you've been doing too? ;^)
Yes, but I'm not the one claiming people will do the most efficient thing 100% of the time. I'm aware that I'm wasting my time, just like people waste their money on stupid shit.
Lots of currency needs you to have lots of tabs though. Again, more tabs = better.
No? one currency tab holds all the currency you could realistically need
>He's only saving minutes because he does something that I couldn't do with less tabs
So he is, in fact, benefiting from more tabs.
What is this so hard for you to say openly despite agreeing with it every other post by trying to argue against it? This situation is so confusing to me.
All you had to do is say "well yeah sure there's a small benefit with diminishing returns" but instead you went for to autistic "NO, IM A FRICKING EXTREMIST" approach.
>So he is, in fact, benefiting from more tabs.
No, he isn't. He's doing something inefficient simply because he can. If there's a benefit you should be able to explain what it is, but you haven't been able to. Feel free to ask him if he's winning at the game because he has a quad tab of useless shit, lol
>well yeah sure there's a small benefit with diminishing returns
Even if I grant this, that doesn't make the game pay to win. The benefit is so miniscule that you will never find a difference between a player with a small number of tabs compared to the hoarders.
>yes, because he'd rather dump everything into a tab rather than vendor it which takes maybe 2 seconds longer
So it does have an advantage but you are arbitrarily choosing what is or isn't considered and advantage because you can't be an adult and admit that you were wrong about some moronic internet argument.
>SO HE SAVES 2 MINUTES PER WEEK?? LE PAY TO WIN
Dude, you are literally arguing that spending 10 second is not time-effective what the frick are you damage-controlling bout with this?
>tabs are not pay 2 win they are actually pay 2 lose
the absolute state of the average PoEtroon lmao
>he bought dozens of useless tabs because... he's lazy
?
>If you don't trade them within 10 seconds of them joining your hideout they will leave and probably block you for wasting their time
Speak from experience I guess? How about you buy more tabs and fix your god damn stash to not waste people's time you slowpoke frick?
you said they're going to wait until you finish your map. They aren't. That's all I'm responding to you fricking moron.
Nobody wanting to buy something worth 2c gives a frick about spending 30 seconds waiting because that's the kind of player that makes those purchases and is exactly why you can capitalize without a big time investment.
>a trade that takes 5 seconds
>5 seconds
way to out that you don't play this game
>person goes to your hideout and waits until you are done what whatever you are doing
>grab the item(s) because your tabs are tidy thanks to the extra space
>grab it
>trade it
>get the currency in the tab
>back to playing
Sounds like your lack of organization is slowing you down.
>You will make MORE currency skipping it
how do you know this when you are saying that you ignore this approach?
filters are set up in such a way based on what people feel is valuable based on price and the time it takes to make a trade, not stash space
Bro I heard vitamins are really good for you, you should take the whole bottle at once. Bro I heard having a large home is really good, you should buy the biggest house ytou can and go into tremendous debt even if you dont need the space.
>Bro I heard having a large home is really good
We should all live in the pod.
>now you are on the same level as everyone else
So they indeed are p2w.
>buy 10
>you are now ahead of the rest
Congratulations you just described a p2w mechanic
NTA, but you seem like the moron here. Do not respond, as I will not be reading.
Oh ok, so you're not the moron that called the game gacha, you're the moron that think gacha and mtx are the same
Got it.
Yes, I'm the moron that is correct in saying that MTX is cancer in any way shape or form.
Concession accepted.
>You can't even read properly. Shame.
Or is this suddenly not you?
I play the game a lot and you dont have to pay for 100 tabs in order to enjoy the game.
>Why pretend it's free and it can be played fairly without putting money in it then?
I never said that. If I were to introduce someone to the game I would say that you probably need to spend at least $15-20 to start
Yea, but its still cheaper than buying a full priced game such d4.
which lootbox comes with the tabs?
Yea, the late stage capitalism and big corpos won. They conditioned the gamers so well they dont even care about MTX anymore, they even start a flame war because "muh game has better MTX than yours" Its over.
Am I moronic? How does everyone know what game anon was referring to, I have no idea, even based on the replies
>enter poe thread
>DUDE BUT WHAT ABOUT D4
>enter d4 thread
>DUDE BUT WHAT ABOUT POE
PoEpoors are seething about D4 costing more than their NEETbux allows them to buy, and they kicked the hornet's nest.
>You see I spent $70+ and buy every microtransaction and battle pass for this inferior blizzslop that means I know better
Grim
If I choose to buy cosmetic shit, how does that affect you if you don't want to buy cosmetics?
>OPTIONS MAKE ME GO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
It effects me and everyone else because homosexuals like you make this practice standard.
But it doesn't affect you even if it's standard. You can still play the game without paying for the cosmetics I did. The game will still play the same as mine.
This used to be true but no longer. The value of cosmetics has risen so high that they are now a primary focus of development; Diablo 4 is no longer a game, it is designed as a flashy storefront.
The PoE devs openly talk shit about Diablo, so it's no surprise their fans follow suit.
Jealous cope, just like linuxgays.
>The PoE devs openly talk shit about Diablo
D4 is indeed shit, but this is petty as frick.
>Posting a completely different game in a Diablo plebbit server
>It gets removed because it isn't Diablo
LMAO SEETHING
hmmm what could go wrong with making the player just spam a single ability and nothing else
4 fans? that seems a bit over estimated
poe 2 design and philosophy for new skills is superior to cooldowns and resource managment.
But it's also untested and likely to crumble as soon as you get enough damage to oneshot a pack of blue monsters.It's gonna end up with you spamming the main clear skill ( 1 or 2 skills depending on build) and then use all the other buffs, weirdly shaped aoe, utilities, damage skills that also backstep only once against a map boss and really only to shave off 2 seconds from the kill.
which poe great mechanics idea ended up playing like the devs intended? flasks, trade, harvest, sockets, all their big brain ideas crumbled when they met reality of player optimization.
Friendly reminder if you like PoE 2, you are diablo 4 refugee and your opinion is irrelevant
blizzard is laughing. they already made billions
Yeah, but their extended financial model is based off of people buying battle passes and keeping the playerbase healthy so that more people are likely to buy in. So right now they're crying, shitting, and pissing themselves trying to get the game into a state where it will actually retain players. Luckily they still have a great deal of time before PoE2 even threatens their existence, but they're still bleeding their existing playerbase.
Are Path of Exile fans the most obnoxious of all fanbases in gaming? There is just constant thread spam here and it turns out the sequel isn’t coming out for 2 years? Like, what?
If you watch the Exilecon stream you'll see that they're just following the lead that surrounds PoE and GGG.
Raiz tossing digs at D4 before the main show, when he took cash to play Lost Ark.
Jonathan and others of the dev crew going out of their way to throw shots during their presentations.
D4 has some serious fricking problems, but acting like PoE hasn't been a fricking dumpster fire for years now is just being disingenuous and delusional. Chris said himself they've lost significant revenue over the last few years. Now they no doubt have another 2 years of that trend continuing until PoE2 hype generates a little bit of a jolt.
It's got pretty obvious shit is not going too well when they backpaddled HARD on the "PoE2 is the same game as PoE1 shit".
Everyone who isn't already deep down the PoE1 hole looked at that fricking mess of 500 shit systems stacked on top of each other and saw they were wanting to build a whole sequel on top THAT, and said no thanks. They had to walk it back because nobody new would've bothered with it.
The other issue is, I'm not sure the stalwarts of the genre are going to bother with PoE2 if there isn't a campaign skip mechanic. For years there's been kvetching about doing PoE's campaign ad infinitum.
Despite how moronic both D3 and 4's campaigns are, you can skip them.
Whether or not just ticking a box to get into 'end game' out the gates is the right option or not, I can't say. But if they don't add something different for PoE2 than just running it over and over then it's not going to sit well with the vast majority of the playerbase.
Except skipping campaign in d4 is just playing a worse game
Shit side quests and shit dungeon spam
He won.
cooldown hate, frick that shit theres no thinking in play
Risk of Rain 2 got very boring very quickly because every single skill in the game is cooldown based.
So to maximize your DPS you just press the number as soon as it is off cooldown. It's almost never worth waiting for a precise moment to use a skill because the time spent waiting is time that could be spent on your cooldown resetting and casting the ability again.
>combat situations
uh, the whole game is debuff/buff burst window tho?
I highly doubt PoE 2 will be as good as D4 2 years from now.
Blizz has all the time in the world to steal ideas and make them much much bettter.
Its unironically, over.
adding more trannies wont make d4 better tho
japanese girls were made for breeding
the blizzard that made genre defining games is gone
theyre making money now, not actual games
>guy who made a game where you juts press tornado shot button 1 million times repeatedly talking shit
LOL
Diablo 4 sold 20 million copies, your game got bought out by the CCP and is run by RMT botters.
>your game got bought out by the CCP and is run by RMT botters.
and it's still a better game than d4
sad state of blizzard
Blizzard's philosophy of putting long cooldowns on everything sucks ass. It would be okay if you weren't restricted to only 6 skills.
>dodge button
>animation-locked attacks no different than Lost Ark
>trivialized reserve mechanics
>trivialized weapon switching mechanics
>charge attacks
>long cooldowns
All these things have been bashed by the PoE devs (and the community) at some point and all those things are now confirmed to be in the upcoming game.
If you still support GGG you are a massive moron and/or a tourist.
reserve mechanics
Reserved mana abilities were AIDS because they are basically required to even get into maps and all they do is give fat chunks of stats. Auramancer builds with Dominating Blow is interesting but that's about it.
I fricking miss my Dom Blow Guardian so goddamn much. Frick me. Sadly I know better than to hope it'll feel better or be an option in PoE2. Pouring one out for my homies.
>Reserved mana abilities were AIDS because they are basically required to even get into maps and all they do is give fat chunks of stats
And that's gonna stay that way because they are not removing auras at all and simply facilitating their use further by removing their biggest negative which was reservation.
lmao this is Dota versus LoL and all its clones
I miss hon
Same, Rhino Rampage was such a fun skin, and nothing beats using taunts and having Samuel L Jackson as your announcer.
Is poe 2 going to have the same moronic spell system that's entirely based on random drops?
they showed you can find an item from drops which you can turn into a skill gem of your choice from a limited selection, and the rest are drops
This is coming from the devs which entire game revolved around using a single spell in your build. Well, two if your attack didn't have a movement component to it.
>Pressing 1-5 every 5 seconds is much better
>Pressing 4-5 buttons has more depth than pressing just Flicker Strike
Correct.
I wouldn't mind cooldowns here and there, but in an Arpg a long cooldown should be like 6 seconds
The problem is I don't believe POE2 will be able to go the route of no cooldowns but also somehow making a skill system where people want to use an entire hotbar of skills. They nerfed reserving by swapping it to spirit, but people will figure out a way to spam 1-2 at most and stomp content. The biggest downside of this philosophy is honestly it seems slow as FRICK even compared to D4, where are the movement skills? No Quicksilver flask either
They approach seems to be slow the player down, forcing him to use more skills for more niche scenarios because you can't simply flame dash.
>post content not related to diablo
>get post removed
>NNNNNNO XISTERS, UPDOOOTS STOLEN!!!!!!
>being a Diablo fan after part 3
no sympathy.
Man i can't wait for tha PoE depth of having one attack and nothing else but passive aura's. Man so much more choice and gameplay.
>lootclicker homosexuals are now defending microtransactions
not even surprised
Nah I will keep playing D2.
>consider picking up D2 again
>remember kurast jungle
I'll stick with D1.
Isnt that bad and later on you should have enigma. Going through whole desert is awful.
>skip past everything until you reach LK
>track back to FJ until you find the dungeon
>start back at docks to find the spider cavern
why are the PoE gays still seething at Diablo 4 ? just play your game and stfu, Diablo 4 rent free in your heads and this its coming from someone who never touched Diablo 4 yet.
As a PoE player, I am honestly just really exhausted after Exilecon.
Not cause PoE2 looked bad, but from a combination of things.
>A few years ago, PoE2 was announced and I was annoyed cause it was just going to be an update instead of a standalone game
>I then accepted that this was the reality
>They then completely fricking ruined PoE1 to "prepare it for PoE2"
>I accepted it for the sake of PoE2
>Then a series of terrible patches one after the next all the way to (present day) under the assumption the game would eventually become PoE2
>Fast forward to last Friday
>PoE2 is standalone now and we're going to continue to maintain both titles with staggered League launches!
I just want my comfy grinding game back, man.
I like it how Chronicon does it: we have a bunch of active skill slots (6 I think) BUT the game lets you map any of them to any button, even the same one. Every skill has a lot of (potential) synergy with others, so if you choose the right set of skills (good synergy) and the right order/priority for those (which one goes when) you can play pressing one button. It's similar to no cooldown but you kinda craft your one button skill, which is very satisfying. Also you can choose to hold the button and trigger all the activities or let it go at specific times to trigger just some of them (e.g. the first skill is a speed buff and that's all you want out of combat so you can tap the button in that case). tldr it's fun
Just stop replying, holy frick.
No way, gay
Diablo 4 fricking sucks and there's still another two weeks before the next league
so until then, we're playing Ganker
>Adgio Hutchings not returning to compose kino musical scores for PoE2
it's over
>STOP MAKING FUN OF THE COMPANY THAT I GET PAID TO SHILL
The absolute state of Blizzdrones.
Yeah, frick this, I'm outta here. Have fun force-feeding an attention prostitute for hours on end.
>geared the game against people doing content too fast
>as a result those players only go faster
>process repeats until the playerbase fluctuates between highest highs and lowest lows every patch
And we're suppose to trust they're not going to do the same shit for PoE2?
GIve us a summary of what happened, please.
>us
sus
i uninstalled the d4 beta and canceled the preorder when i noticed in the first 15 minutes that there is no music in D4, besides some gay ass flute or violin solos taken from youtube ASMR sleeping compilations.
if blizzard wont bother hiring a composer and an orchestra for their game, i wont bother shelling out 70$ for it.
get fricked, blizzard.
Based
this motherfricker is a composing god among men.
he carried blizzard games on his back for decades.
The only interesting thing in action games are status mechanics and combos and when those 2 are combined in a smart way and it's basically never been done acceptably well. moron genre
Still playing D2. Going through Nightmare as a Zealadin. Farming a bit because Flayer dungeon tongued my anus.
if it's not HC why even bother farming?
let your merc kill the bony Black folk, they're immune to their explosion
>Dilator 4 is centered around *THE* fricking SUCCUBUS QUEEN but she is a hideous man faced uggo (with the ugliest heterochromia I have EVER seen) with no breasts and doesn't even get them out at any point in the game DON'T COPE DILATORS I SAW YOU homosexualS CALLING HER MOMMY ALL FRICKING DAY TRYING TO ADVERTISE THE GAME DON'T LIE
>meanwhile POE2's bad girl is a busty bawd with asynchronous titty physics bouncing all over the place like a fricking Skyrim mod, not to mention the literal fishy waifu boss has her breasts out in plain view while the scotsman druid yells at her to shut the frick up
PoE has been the better series for years. Modern Blizz devs can’t even get to that point anymore because there is virtually no meaningful talent left in the company.
>you have all items in all stash tabs loaded, always.
Blizz didn’t even give enough if a shit to get this right in D4 that they’ve got right in other games.
Trying to defend anything Blizz related these days equates about to the level of intelligence of the average Hoyoverse whale.
Gas chamber yourselves.
ITT:
Bad FFXIV players shit talking rotations when it's 1-2-3 + 15+ skills to press in between + mitigations + positionning + rapid problem solving
Your opinion on gameplay does not matter until you have cleared real content.
Also, on topic : ARPG don't need rotations and cooldowns, but D4 devs are MMO devs, Joe Shely started at blizzard by working on WoW.
Nobody at Blizz is an ‘anything’ dev. There is no project a part of that dev works on that isn’t slowly becoming more shit than code. They’re impossibly shit.
Yes they are incompetent you're proving my point, thanks
I think giving them the credit of pretending they can still handle any genre is giving them too much credit.
>le rotations are arbitrary and le shallow
>I steal guides and love my builds with one button instead
Anyone who hyperfocuses on rotations/button pressing are probably so unbelievably shit they need to take a second look at their keyboard to make sure they're pressing WSAD correctly.
What buttons you press doesn't frickin matter, not in FFXIV/PoE/anywhere. Gameplay "depth" is more than what buttons you press and if you need to cognitively think about rotations and stuff, you're shit. It's always the PvE only arpg/mmo troons who never ever touch pvp, who have the most gatekeep-ey homosexual opinions on this shit. Play a fighting game or a comp FPS if you want your jollies but god knows you won't because you just want to play an excel spreadsheet and feel good about yourself.
>button rotations become automatic and dont need your attention
Yes, that's literally the point they are making are you moronic?
>Blizzturds getting dunked on by PoE on one side and FFXIV on the other
Blizz are bigger hacks than either of the devs they’re competing with.
Which on paper sounds impossible because of FF14 having hack devs for sure, but somehow this is the timeline.
D4 is gonna go F2P by at least season three. Mark my words.
Internal Blizz fricks are already prepared to advertise a “Free to slay” campaign someday.
>D4 is gonna go F2P by at least season three
D3 never went f2p in 12 years or something like that and it had like 100 people playing
it also didn't have mtx, d4 is filled to the brim with mtx and a season pass
enjoy your one p2p season, it'll be the last
>it also didn't have mtx, d4 is filled to the brim with mtx and a season pass
So they had even more reason to make it f2p and give it mtx. But they didn't.
>enjoy your one p2p season
Don't own or care about the game. I've taken a pic of your post and I'll make sure to go into random PoE and D threads and it when S2 releases and it's still p2p in hopes that you see it and your blood boils just for fun.
That's actually a good idea
This’ll backfire. Do it homosexual.
Screenshotted this one too. It's gonna be SO cash.
Can’t wait for you to pussy out. See you on F2P day.
Can't wait.
You fricking moron, anon. Don’t quote history you don’t remember.
D3 was originally going to have many of the current live service bullshit that D4 is built around but backlash of the time got so loud they pulled out of live service shit worried it would flop their game at launch.
Once they did that, the door was shut on using D3 as a service game. You need that infrastructure for it.
D4 has everything it needs to drop to F2P the moment Blizz can’t make money selling it straight.
>D3 was originally going to have many of the current live service bullshit that D4 is built around
But it didn't have them so not sure why this is relevant. The fact of the matter is that in 12 years D3 never went f2p despite having a hilariously low playerbase.
>worried it would flop their game at launch
The game was the fastest game sold in 2012 the exact same way it D4 was. How could the game "flop" if it was already sold you complete moron?
Again, googling history isn’t the same as being there. It sold like hotcakes and nearly shook itself apart because the Blizz of the time had eyes on a real money auction house, which made almost everyone playing seethe. The kind of seeth pe where even the typical blizz defense force was missing,
The entire media space was dominated for weeks with the bullshit Blizz dominated stories of the RMA being doom to the formula and MTX being cancer.
Blizzard had already capitulated to feedback within a month and a half or so and permanently abandoned chasing MTX. Instead choosing to wait until 4 and do it again.
The switch to an MTX fueled business model had already been attempted and failed once by the time they launched the D4 model.
>The game was the fastest game sold in 2012
>poor player retention
>always online backlash
>RMAH backlash
>fake difficulty backlash
>every expansion after release sold poorly
>took nearly 12 years to finally make a sequel
Even if it sold well in a single year, servers aren't free
By every expansion Anon means the single expac.
Because MTX fell through D3 had a shorter life. They koved on to work on D4, this time with a more mobile game MTX focus angle instead of an RMA and suddenly nobody cared about it.
D4 is Blizzard trying to force the game they thought D3’s monetization was gonna be out of D4.
I don't see how any of that matters to what I said.
The game had already sold like hot cakes when the blacklashes happened. That's money the company pocketed. How is it any of that important? The low player retention is actually beneficial in this context because reduces servercosts and they had no way of capitalizing on more people playing.
The xpacks failing only proves that they shuold have left the game to rot and die and instead lost money with them to try to reignite the flame for nothing.
They could have gone f2p and add mtx I vaguely remember there being some wings and pets but that's about it and despite all that and clearly not having a D4 date in sight (as in, no excuse about how D3 mtx was sucking manpower from D4), they did nothing with it. Why would D4 be different?
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Why is she drooling
She's a bit moronic
>The American fears the Australian
Blizzard could stop updating D4 now and it would still outsell PoE2 x10, 20 seasons in.
I mean Europeans can't even compete with the US, much less a bunch of island convicts.
>Australian
third-worlder education
This is all well and good in theory until you juice a spell with enough support gems that it becomes good at everything. Take Reap for example, nice little melee sweep, cool. But then you stack it with 5 support gems and suddenly theres 3 around you flying out in front and echoing.
Sure its fun getting to that end result, but at that point its hard to say PoE even has 'combat' at that point. Its just particle vomit you run around and press every 2 seconds or so.
Mindbroken PoE trannies trying to make D4 their subreddit for the next year, I see. No one fricking cares about POE2 outside autists, which is 1% of the population.
The rest of us want games that are fun and do';t play and look like shit.
Change your diaper dilator troon
I'd rather just get off here, Play D4, and never think about PoE ever again, like a person who can make eye contact with other people while talking.
just the fact of no more one button builds for poe2 means the game is dead
poe shills on suicide watch
When are they going to discount this shit? I want to buy D4 for $20 bucks.
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Never played either of these games but this is 100% correct, frick rotations, they make the gameplay in FF14 incredibly braindead and eventually led to job homogenization.
What I've played of WoW WotLK had way more situational skills that you actually have to think of when to use, and a great MMO would put a heavy focus on that.
More tabs = better
simple as, no counter argument